Ex-Prime Minister of Turkey again announced an “order” to Turkish pilots

Just a couple of days ago, it was reported from Turkey that the pilots of the F-16 aircraft of the Turkish Air Force last fall allegedly made a decision whether to hit the Su-24 of the Russian Federation Air Force or not. These statements by the official Ankara caused, to put it mildly, bewilderment in Russia, because the then Prime Minister of Turkey Ahmet Davutoglu before the cameras stated that he personally gave the order to shoot down the Russian bomber.

Now Davutoglu decided to confirm his previous statements, but with some reservations. In the newspaper Hurriyet Daily News An interview with the former prime minister of Turkey appeared, in which he states the following:

Within the framework of the rules of our state, it is the Prime Minister who sets the rules for engaging in armed clashes in a written directive to the General Staff. I gave the order to October 10 (2015 of the year).

Davutoglu claims that this order allowed Turkish pilots to make decisions on whether to strike or not. Moreover, his order allegedly did not concern specifically Su-24.

Recall that the attack of the Russian Su-24 by Turkish fighters was made on November 24 2015.

And Davutoglu insists that after his order from 10 of October, no additional orders were given to the Turkish pilots.

Apparently, official Ankara tends to the fact that if you now ask someone for the downed Su-24, then from the pilots who supported the coup, well, or Davutoglu, who is no longer among the top Turkish officials. Like, and where does Erdogan? ..

Interesting logic.

By the way, is it necessary to regard the words of Davutoglu and how that, later inflicting rocket-bombing strikes on cities of Turkey, the Air Force pilots were also guided by his decree about complete autonomy of actions? ..

Comments

[dchegrinec]

Courage is a noble cause, but not in this case ..

[Temples]

By the way, is it necessary to regard the words of Davutoglu and how that, after subsequently delivering missile and bomb attacks on Turkish cities, the Air Force pilots were also guided by his order on the complete independence of actions? ..

Do not.
It is necessary to get acquainted with the order of which this Turk speaks.

But it’s much more interesting to get in for a discussion.
Do not subscribe and observe how our outraged mind boils.

[Major Yurik]

Now Erdogan Maneho is still raving about 4-5 thousand conspirators and will begin to compile a complete list of "scapegoats", and the world will learn a lot of new and interesting things!

[cniza]

By the way, is it necessary to regard the words of Davutoglu and how that, later inflicting rocket-bombing strikes on cities of Turkey, the Air Force pilots were also guided by his decree about complete autonomy of actions? ..

Erdogan wants to be white and fluffy, but who will believe him, after all his antics.

[Asadullah]

Do not.
It is necessary to get acquainted with the order of which this Turk speaks.

Do not catch the irony. And the problem is that Akhmet skillfully dismissed him on the eve of the putsch. So you can discuss "getting on", or you can reconstruct current events in retrospect, to understand that Erdogan was already written off with a number from all banquets. Surely, the welcoming speeches were already prepared, where the phrase "dear Akhmet" was not the warmest.

And by the way, this is the first military coup in Turkey that crashed on such a scale. And the scale is such that Turkey can completely change its color. And what is even more worthy of discussion, as Turkey’s possible withdrawal from NATO and the creation of a new defense initiative in BV? This does not just apply to Russia, but passes through all its insides of a vibrant residential.

[Vend]

Quote: dchegrinec

Courage is a noble cause, but not in this case ..

I think he remembered the Russian proverb "a sword does not cut a guilty head" and hoped that he would be carried away. However, I think not this time. Wait and see.

[Drzed]

so it’s Russian, and it’s for a fuck ... the Turks, well, not by any means

[dmi.pris1]

Does he think that this will save him?

[Drzed]

he is not, but the "sultan" is an excuse

[zennon]

Quote: dmi.pris

Does he think that this will save him?

Yes, we'll see everything soon:

MOSCOW, July 26, 2016, 13:50 - REGNUM The meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan will be held in St. Petersburg on August 9, 2016. This was announced on Tuesday, July 26, by the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov.
“The visit (of the President of Turkey) will take place on August 9,” Peskov told reporters. “The meeting, as we expect, will be held in St. Petersburg.”
At the same time, the Kremlin representative added that the agenda of the meeting of the leaders of the two countries has not yet been discussed, however, "there will be no shortage of those."

[avvg]

Apparently, it is possible that he was forced to sign a "directive" (where the pilot makes decisions on his own), retroactively.

[Denis Obukhov]

So you need to hang Ahmet Davutoglu by the balls ...

[fox21h]

Yes, they consider us idiots? The client is confused in the testimony))
Do they really believe that we will believe that someone other than Erdogan could give the order to bring down our plane? In this authoritarian state?

[Scoun]

Quote: fox21h

Yes, they consider us idiots? The client is confused in the testimony))

Yes, they themselves are patients of the 6th ward, everyone understands that the plane was "grazed" and "grazed" by orders from above, only these lice had a calculation for completely different plans, for the comprehensive support of NATO and the United States, but it turned out to be a bunch of shit.
In fact, their trick didn’t work as they planned, and that's meandering.

[Monarchist]

And each pilot has his own president.

[doework]

"The East is a delicate matter ...", which can be deciphered as follows: hypocrites and hucksters, you can never believe them in anything and never!

[Stirbjorn]

Well, the former Turkish prime minister simply confirmed his words said after the downing of our plane. Well done, I didn’t blame everything on pilots like Erdogan - it’s not good for a man to hide behind someone else’s backs

[SeregaBoss]

Frost freeze, no courage to admit and hold the answer, flowed right on the poles! Ugh ghouls!

[bardadym]

Um ...
Like, the Turks realized that fairy tales like "it was the pilots who shot down themselves, but we will now arrest them for a coup" They are not deceiving anyone and now they offer to sacrifice the former prime minister as well?
And Davutoglu from all this what is all the good that he personally recorded in the sacrificial goats?

[VNP1958PVN]

With such rulers and so few coups

[Skifotavr]

Behind all this endless blah blah blah, the Su-24 was shot down in Syrian airspace by the Turkish F-16 specially and previously flown there at a low altitude (for stealth). Russia should not allow such tricks to the Turks.

[novobranets]

Davutoglu states that this order allowed Turkish pilots to make their own decisions about striking or not striking. Moreover, his order allegedly did not specifically concern the Su-24.

Again a lie. I don’t remember who exactly, in my opinion Konashenkov, on fingers, with the help of simple calculations, proved that the Turkish fighters operated from an ambush, and they were pointed at the Russian bomber. The Turks are yelling like a louse on a comb, they want to sit on the cactus and save the "food".

[UVB]

The other day there was information that the general who ordered the destruction of the Su-24 was arrested: http://warfiles.ru/show-124590-v-turcii-arestovan-general-otdavshiy-prikaz-sbit-
russkiy-su-24.html

[sergey2017]

They came up with a good acquittal story about switchmen! The official version of Ankara is a cheap excuse! Nobody will believe in it!

[Asadullah]

The official version of Ankara is a cheap excuse! Nobody will believe in it!

Why do you think everything is so simple? Subsequent events, like the coup and the assassination attempt on Erdogan, show that not everything is so simple. Today Turkey has practically cut off the entire pro-Western part of the nation. One need not speak about some kind of "strength" of Erdogan, because the army is capable of functioning today. The entire command staff must be restored, the concept of subordination must be changed. The reform is not just knocking, it has already entered the hut and threw its feet on the table. Erdogan's current position is a huge burden. He found himself alone, like a general with junior commanders. I fully admit the thought that the defeat of the Russian side took him by surprise, but the elite who are now sitting in cells with broken faces could present it to him as a great victory over the Russian bear. That is why he had such a nervous reaction, and NATO's response puzzled him and probably then, for the first time, he felt the threat to his power. Note that the Turkish leader's apology sounded somehow spontaneous, and even unexpected. Why? Usually such issues are solved by the method of small steps, with the preparation of the media, with the active movement of diplomats. And then the impression that he was in a hurry .... her, not so simple. As for believing and not believing, this concept is absent in diplomacy, there is a form in which the difference in the potentials of relations is clothed. Turkey has chosen this form, it suits us.

[izya top]

he himself wanted to rule and possess everything? (c)

[Siberian]

Well, Erdogan determined before meeting with Putin = sacred = sacrifice, that’s why Davutoglu’s statement appeared, but how could it be otherwise = the Moor did his job = and is now waiting for his fate ....

[Khariton]

Yes, the Turks behave to put it mildly vilely ... Fell blame on each other, turn around.! All this says that they are afraid of Russia! The main thing is not to relax, the enemy is insidious and cunning.

[AlexTires]

The story is absolutely clear. They want to paint everything with white paint - and it seems like Davutoglu gave a neutral order, and the pilot "thought" that he had once again crossed the border ..... But everything here is sewn with white thread, and if we went to meet Turkey, it is better to tell how it is was actually. Let it be meanness, but you can try to find some excuses. And now all this promotion only aggravates the negative situation. It would be better if they kept quiet.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Wend

I think he remembered the Russian proverb "a sword does not cut a guilty head" and hoped that he would be carried away.

Here the Greek came with a request "buy Greece". Maybe buy Turkey? Strain "Abramovitz-Fridmanov), and buy? What the hell, they killed a man, and some kind of baby talk ??? Damn him, with the plane. We now consider our soldiers, and not because there are not enough of them, there will be enough Just wiser. Tsarskoe "Maxim died, and to hell with him" is no longer the topic.

[AKS-U]

Only people with full power in the state can give orders for a "conflict" or provocation. Pilots have no such power. They can only push a button. The pilots are just performers, but the customer ..... Not even Turkey, I guess.

[xant]

Now everyone will clean themselves and get out as best they can.

[APASUS]

It’s strange that pilots in Turkey make their own decisions and can shoot down planes. Then it’s not at all surprising how caravans with weapons go to Syria from the Turkish side, how caravans with stolen oil get into Turkey because drivers make a decision ???

[1536]

Once again he confirmed that by giving an irresponsible order, he allowed the Americans to make a provocation against our Aerospace Forces and shoot down Su from the air force. And during the putsch, "independent" Turkish pilots were already bombing their own people, following orders from the American command. This is the sovereignty of the Turks today. Put the Balts now, for example, at the controls of the Baltic planes, if they had them, they would definitely bomb the Pskov region. This is Obamka and Hillary's tactic. They look for jackals, and then they themselves are preparing to deliver the decisive blow!

[wow]

Never in peacetime does a pilot decide on his own to open fire. Only on command from the ground. He intercepts the target and asks for "ground" - to open fire or not.

[Holsten]

You want, you don’t want, but you need to work out a calm resignation. You’ll also not confirm that, unless of course the prospect cares.

[Vladimir Anatolyevich]

The plane is on the territory of Syria, the bomb bays are empty, the pilot was killed in shelling from the ground - what is that "XXXXX", what difference does it make which of these goats gave the order or pressed the button. I believe that the incident with the Turks is not over (not with the leadership or individual representatives - specifically with the Turkish people, because the attitude is consumerist). Turku has no faith. And this is a historical fact. This must always be known and remembered from generation to generation.