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Kiev insists on the return of the border with the Russian Federation in the Donbass under its control

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A spokesman for Leonid Kuchma, representing Kiev at the negotiation process in Minsk, Daria Olifer claims that during the next round of negotiations on resolving the situation in the Donbas, the Ukrainian side "insisted on returning all parts of the Ukrainian-Russian border under its control." At the same time, Ms. Olifer, talking about the negotiations in Minsk, once again called violators of the Minsk agreements exclusively the DNR and the LC, which in the Kiev interpretation sounds like “ORDLO” (special districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions).

Kiev insists on the return of the border with the Russian Federation in the Donbass under its control


Olifer writes on Facebook:
Ukraine states: the restoration of control over this section of the state border will help to improve the security situation. Therefore, we insist on discussing this issue within the framework of the Tripartite Contact Group, as well as admitting to this section of the border representatives of the OSCE SMM.

Until the block of security issues is resolved, it is impossible to move forward in resolving political, humanitarian and socio-economic problems.

ORDO representatives are moving away from discussing the issue of the release of hostages and do not provide information on the whereabouts of many of our citizens. The OSCE coordinator in the subgroup on humanitarian issues Tony Frisch was not allowed to illegally withheld in the Ordlo. At the same time, on the territory controlled by Kiev, experts from international organizations can visit any detention center and talk with those who have violated Ukrainian legislation. In ORDL prisons are closed for representatives of the OSCE, the International Committee of the Red Cross, Doctors without Borders and other international organizations. Such a state of affairs in humanitarian matters should not be left without the special attention of the leaders of the countries of the Normandy Four.


Strange, but Ms. Olifer “forgets” that just a few weeks ago a scandal broke out because human rights representatives were not allowed to be held in prison by the SBU, nor did they provide the OSCE with an accurate report on how many prisoners these prisons are currently located.

With a statement regarding the need for Kiev to seize the border under its control, Kuchma’s press secretary once again makes it clear that no one is going to study the Minsk agreements in Ukraine properly. And in the agreements, it is written in black and white that Ukraine should begin to carry out constitutional reform, giving Donbas real special status, give the opportunity to hold local elections, abandon all types of blockade, not to mention the need to withdraw troops and armaments, as well as exchange captives and amnesties for participants in armed resistance. And only after all these points have been fulfilled, Kiev can declare “the need for control over the border,” although there are also questions about exactly how such control is exercised, especially in connection with the actions of the national battalions who tried, for example, to blockade the Crimea.
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  1. Andrey K
    Andrey K 28 July 2016 07: 21
    +24
    ... the Ukrainian side "insisted on the return of all sections of the Ukrainian-Russian border to its control."

    Insist b / y Ukrainian side, it was painful ...
    Ms. Olifer still needs to familiarize herself with 13 points of the Minsk-2 agreement. Restoring control over the border, point 9, before it you must complete - 8.
    The APU tried to “restore” control, bypassing the agreements. It ended with boilers and hundreds of Russians who crossed the state border, died to the frightened and hungry "nenki" zahisniki ...
    ... the restoration of control over this section of the state border will contribute to improving the security situation ...

    Donetsk insists on regaining control over the administrative border with used Ukraine ...
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 28 July 2016 07: 30
      +8
      Ukraine states: the restoration of control over this section of the state border will contribute to improving the security situation.
      - Fools are getting richer in thought ...
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 28 July 2016 07: 41
        +19
        Pro-Anglo-Saxon, former Trotskyist Soviet "rat" Kuchma in Ukraine, as always, in his nationalist repertoire - against Russians in Ukraine and against Russia! Kuchma is a disgusting liberal fascist scum!
        1. cniza
          cniza 28 July 2016 08: 20
          +10
          Yes, Kuchma, now, no one can call him in any way, there are puppeteers - the USA.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 28 July 2016 11: 08
            0
            cniza
            Yes, Kuchma is nobody now and there’s no way to call him, there are puppeteers from the USA
            Victor! You are not right about Kuchma. Kuchma, as such, has not yet left the stage. The external government of Ukraine, no one denies, but it rests on such pro-Western managers, who were and are Kravchuk, Kuchma and the like.
            The role of personality in history has not yet been canceled.
            Why is Kuchma at the talks in Minsk? Because for Ukrainian and liberal fascists "the old horse will not spoil their furrow."

            See the article “L. Kuchma changes color from the“ red ”director to the“ brown ”ex-president” from 6 on March 2015. - http://maxpark.com/community/5512/content/3333050
            Leonid Kuchma, the former “red” director of the largest Dnepropetrovsk plant, a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and party organizer, turned out to be a completely unprincipled careerist and not even a politician. For some incomprehensible misunderstanding, Moscow considered him to be pro-Russian. <...> He achieved the post of President of Ukraine thanks to promises to make Russian the second state language and even have Ukrainians also a second Russian citizenship, for which he was supported by the Russian-speaking southeast of Ukraine.
            Kuchma did not even think to fulfill his promises during his two presidential terms <...>
            The chairman of the Kharkov Jewish community E. Khodos paid his attention to Kuchma not in vain. Kuchma turned out to be a worthy successor to the “second Mazepa” of L. M. Kravchuk. The same of the three "Bialowieza bison" that destroyed the USSR.
            Kravchuk - a typical anti-Stalinist, a hidden nationalist, had at least some convictions in the anti-communist plan. Kuchma has no convictions at all. He changes his color depending on the circumstances. These two figures, Kravchuk and Kuchma, destroyed the country's economy in peacetime, while they themselves were fabulously rich. <…>
            E. Khodos wrote the brochure "Leonid Kuchma - President of All Jews, or Why I Vote for Another." But not just Jews, Khodos clarifies, but KHABADNIKOV, who captured Ukraine. For whom the main thing is that "in the future, Ukraine will remain for them a" gold mine ", having no opportunity to get out of the bottom itself."
            Jewish oligarchs in Ukraine and Russia are delighted with President Kuchma. He and his daughter Elena married the Khabadnik multimillionaire V. Pinchuk, who quickly became a multimillionaire. <…>
            “At one time Lech Walesa proclaimed himself the President of all Poles, meaning the multi-million Polish diaspora. Leonid Kuchma did not even try to proclaim himself President of all Ukrainians. Perhaps because he had a different role for himself. Objectively supported by Jewish oligarchs, defending (willingly or unwillingly) only their interests, working for the benefit of the Jews of Israel and America, Leonid Kuchma has the right to claim the title of PRESIDENT OF ALL JEWS. " (Hodos) They also ensured him a second presidential term and excuse him from the "Gongadze case." Even after the coup d'etat, Kuchma is entirely on the side of the Judeo-oligarchic government, which is hiding behind radical nationalism.
            Ex-President Kuchma has recently been engaged in "peacekeeping" work in Ukraine. And, finally, he is ripe for a great cause - to provide autonomy to Donbass! But with one important caveat. Before giving autonomy to Donetsk and Lugansk, Kuchma promised at first to kill all those who disagree with the juntim regime. The ex-president made a corresponding statement on the air of Radio Liberty.
          2. neri73-r
            neri73-r 28 July 2016 14: 55
            +2
            I agree with you completely!
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        3. captain
          captain 28 July 2016 08: 32
          +5
          Well, let them take control, who does not?
      2. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 28 July 2016 07: 47
        +4
        The main thing is to blurt out something stupid (remember the excuse for not returning 3 billion) to get the liver from the Americans and prepare for the next stupid stuffing.
        1. Alex_Tug
          Alex_Tug 28 July 2016 11: 03
          +3
          ramzes1776
          get the liver from the Americans and get ready for the next stupid stuffing.


          They don’t give a cookie. We decided to make fun of boredom. It’s boring for them to wait for the next meeting of the IMF board of directors. (there is nothing to cut, money has not yet been given)
      3. Lord_Bran
        Lord_Bran 28 July 2016 08: 26
        +6
        Stsykuns ... as always, hide behind someone else's skirt ..
        "Well, son? Did your Poles help you?" (from)
        1. lysyj bob
          lysyj bob 28 July 2016 09: 14
          +5
          Quote: Lord_Bran
          "Well, son? Did your Poles help you?"



          There is still a good continuation: "I gave birth to you, I will kill you."
          Maybe it's time? ..
      4. interceptor58
        interceptor58 28 July 2016 08: 56
        0
        One hundred pounds!
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        Ukraine states: the restoration of control over this section of the state border will contribute to improving the security situation.
        - Fools are getting richer in thought ...
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 28 July 2016 07: 58
      +6
      Quote: Andrey K

      Insist b / y Ukrainian side, it was painful ...

      Control over the border?
      Let them ask the Delaputs: why is Kuev there control, if there is no control over Donetsk and Lugansk?
      Let them say frankly - if we are allowed to close the border, then we will try to destroy the DPR armies cut off from supplies and all, all "Colorados" without hesitation in means.
      In general, it is not in the place of our Foreign Ministry that we should print these very Minsk agreements, emphasize in red what Ukraine has committed to doing and to publicly give out to all the talkers (and journalists) who say that Russia supposedly has to fulfill something there.
      1. captain
        captain 28 July 2016 08: 13
        +10
        It’s a pity that our leadership didn’t allow an attack on Mariupol in 2014, wouldn’t have to spend money on the Kerch bridge, there wouldn’t be a problem with the Crimea, there wouldn’t be a hostile state on our borders (there would be New Russia and a couple more states), a problem with gas pipelines. Apparently not everyone has calculated our analysts.
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 28 July 2016 09: 18
          0
          Quote: captain
          It’s a pity that our leadership did not allow the offensive in 2014 in Mariupol,

          go, step on.
          this bridge was needed the day before yesterday
          Quote: captain
          there wouldn’t be a problem with the Crimea,

          took Mariupol and all the problems disappeared?
          Quote: captain
          there would be no hostile state on our borders

          and where would it go?
          Quote: captain
          there wouldn’t be a problem with gas pipelines.

          aha, still hang on this neck this rusty metal, which has not been repaired for decades.
          Quote: captain
          Apparently not everyone has calculated our analysts.

          turns out to be counted. they didn’t allow us to get involved in a war to which phasington is pushing us strenuously. do you think we will be happy there? look at polls. Most of the outskirts HATE us. they are sure that Russia is to blame for all their troubles
          1. Krasniy_lis
            Krasniy_lis 28 July 2016 13: 52
            0
            You have written correctly. But still a pity. hi
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 28 July 2016 09: 07
        +1
        Quote: Alekseev
        why is Kuev there control

        to take the money from the budget for the construction of the fence and successfully plunder them
        Quote: Alekseev
        In general, it is not the place of our Foreign Ministry that we should print these very Minsk agreements, emphasize in red what Ukraine has committed to doing and publicly giving out to all the talkers (and journalists)

        Yes, they all know very well. an order is being executed
        and there is no truth clause in it
    3. Amurets
      Amurets 28 July 2016 09: 17
      +6
      Quote: Andrey K
      Ms. Olifer still needs to familiarize herself with 13 points of the Minsk-2 agreement. Restoring control over the border, point 9, before it you must complete - 8.
      П

      What items? What is the Border? According to Ban Ki-moon and the UN Regulation on sovereign states, Ukraine is not a state, but part of the territory of the former USSR. To recognize Ukraine as a full-fledged state, a number of provisions must be implemented, including demarcation of the border around the entire perimeter of the state. since the demarcation has not been carried out, the UN conditions are not fulfilled, Ukraine can go through the field, go through the forest, well, in general, as it wants, let it go, on an erotic journey.
  2. Taygerus
    Taygerus 28 July 2016 07: 25
    +2
    Kuev can insist on a lot, only medicine can not always help wassat
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 July 2016 07: 31
      +17
      Quote: Taygerus
      Kuev

      When the Nazis captured Kiev in 1941 and later it was under occupation, no one distorted the name of the city.
      Russia was born in Kiev! Kiev is part of the history of our state and distorting its name is the same as spitting in the history of your country.
      Although, if there are no more brains than those of the downs sitting on the Censor, you can write this: In Kuev, the procession was held yesterday.
      The head is given to man, not only for what would be in it!
      1. Krasniy_lis
        Krasniy_lis 28 July 2016 13: 54
        +1
        there is one but. There is Kiev (as a city) and there is kuev, as a place, the concentration of power in unfinished with the name vnaukurina. And he was in Kiev in Ukraine. Only there is no longer this country.
  3. Signore Tomato
    Signore Tomato 28 July 2016 07: 26
    +5
    First, the skakly want the border under their control, then they clean the territory of the DPR and LPR, because it is necessary to relocate some raguli from the Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk districts, which will have to be given for restitution.
  4. Hunt
    Hunt 28 July 2016 07: 29
    +12
    I insist that the borders of the Russian Empire be returned to Russian control! Roughly equivalent statements! That's how good I am! And I insist on cranberries! Who else insists on what ???
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 28 July 2016 09: 27
      +4
      Quote: Hunter
      Who else insists on what ???

      I insist on the accession to Russia of Transnistria, Ossetia, Abkhazia, Kuba and territories belonging to the Russian Empire and the junta temporarily occupied by the pro-Nazi
      1. matross
        matross 28 July 2016 17: 07
        0
        Cubes ?! Gee-gee)) then let's also the Maldives, there is good diving wassat
  5. grandfather Mih
    grandfather Mih 28 July 2016 07: 29
    +2
    The gentry gave slaves on the "farm" is known to whom. A whole country, won't it be fat?
  6. beer-youk
    beer-youk 28 July 2016 07: 30
    +3
    "Nobody is going to study the Minsk agreements in Ukraine properly."

    Directly according to Vinokur: "We play here (read), we don't play here, here the fish was wrapped ..." Selective vision is their national feature!
    1. aba
      aba 28 July 2016 07: 50
      +1
      "Nobody is going to study the Minsk agreements in Ukraine properly."

      Why should they study if they are not going to execute it ?! wink
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 28 July 2016 08: 21
        0
        They also think that no one is literate at all.
        On the other hand, it is puffing up and saying that it is more significant. All the same, nothing good is being done for the population.
        1. captain
          captain 28 July 2016 09: 10
          +1
          As there is a toast for the Georgians; "... so let's drink for the fact that our desires coincide with our capabilities ..".
  7. Knowing
    Knowing 28 July 2016 07: 31
    +6
    Let the dill mash insist; with regards to the rest - they can only ask, beg.
  8. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 28 July 2016 07: 31
    +6
    And with what fright should Russia ensure the right of control of the Kiev authorities over the Russian-Ukrainian border in the Donbass? This is the matter of the authorities of the DPR and LPR, and solve these issues with them, and we are deeply drunk about your problems (in your PS, the language is tambourine)!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 July 2016 07: 39
      +2
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      And with what fright should Russia ensure the right of control of the Kiev authorities over the Russian-Ukrainian border in the Donbass? This is the case of the authorities of the DPR and LPR, and these issues should be resolved with them

      They wanted to, but fell into the boiler. So now they ask Russia laughing
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 29 July 2016 07: 32
        0
        They ask for this in the sense of "over the head" so that ours "charge" them? Well, this is one or two, and most importantly it's cheap!
  9. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 28 July 2016 07: 33
    +4
    Give you the border, and you will trample in Russia! Stop begging, you’d better go and deal with pressing problems - poverty and a mess around, but you don’t want to do anything and don’t know how.
  10. Wolka
    Wolka 28 July 2016 07: 34
    +6
    since we are not against restoring protection of the Russian-Ukrainian border, we then control and protect it as it should, but for our part, but you Pan-Kiev take and control the border for your part, if possible, but the DPR and LPR are unlikely to let you go , the Minsk agreements do not order to let go however ...
  11. VSZMK
    VSZMK 28 July 2016 07: 35
    +3
    They don’t look at realities at all.
    The representative of the Ukrainian nationalist party “Freedom”, lawyer Aleksey Kurenoy, said that work is beginning on a bill providing for territorial claims against Poland. If the document is supported by the Verkhovna Rada, this will mean that official Kiev will seek to “return” the territories that once belonged to the Principality of Galicia.
    1. aba
      aba 28 July 2016 07: 52
      +2
      official Kiev will seek a "return" of territories

      as if they themselves had not lost any other parts of their independence!
    2. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 28 July 2016 08: 26
      0
      gee-gee .. you pleased with such news, and even the mattresses in Odessa have .. need to tell jumpers laughing
  12. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 28 July 2016 07: 41
    +4
    And from a dead donkey's ears?
  13. svp67
    svp67 28 July 2016 07: 41
    +5
    Ukraine states: the restoration of control over this section of the state border will contribute to improving the security situation.
    With the safety of whom? Those who will make stripping do not agree with the current Vlad? No, you guys have signed an agreement, so execute them as expected, and do not try to deceive.
  14. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 28 July 2016 07: 44
    +9
    I am always confused in the statements of Kiev. That they shout that the territory of the LDNR is Ukrainian, then what is the question, because the LDNR armed forces control the border, and according to the passport they are residents of Ukraine. Then all of a sudden these territories are called “ORDLO”, and from this they did not become part of Ukraine, and the Chinese or Kenyans control the border with the Russian Federation? In short - is LDNR today a part of Ukraine or not? If yes - remove the question of border control, no - do not raise the question, because this is not your border.
    1. Krasniy_lis
      Krasniy_lis 28 July 2016 13: 57
      0
      I always spoke to dill. "Or put on your panties, or take off the cross")))
  15. Arkan
    Arkan 28 July 2016 07: 48
    +5
    Bandera will only retreat in a coffin. Full face to them, not border control
  16. BOB044
    BOB044 28 July 2016 07: 50
    +4

    It is strange, but Ms. Olifer “forgets” that just a few weeks ago a scandal erupted over the fact that representatives of human rights organizations were not allowed to detained people in prisons of the Security Service of Ukraine, nor did they provide the OSCE with an accurate report on how many prisoners were in these prisons are currently located
    These are the most cunning negotiators. They believe that all around them are mentally retarded, and they are the smartest, well.
  17. solovey
    solovey 28 July 2016 07: 53
    +4
    That’s what happens (they start demanding something) when the Nazis are given a truce. Nobody would give us a truce in the defeat.
  18. aleks700
    aleks700 28 July 2016 07: 53
    -2
    With a statement regarding the need for Kiev to take the border under its control, Kuchma’s spokeswoman once again makes it clear that no one is going to study the Minsk agreements in Ukraine properly
    They don’t need to. The West will support them anyway. And the Kremlin ...
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 28 July 2016 08: 48
      +1
      But the Kremlin is not predictable.
  19. AID.S
    AID.S 28 July 2016 07: 58
    +1
    Insist mountain ash on cognac ...
  20. Egoza
    Egoza 28 July 2016 08: 01
    +2
    Here is a nuance formed ...
    The Dutch company Yuzgas BV has won a tender for the implementation of a project for the production of shale gas on Yuzovskaya Square in eastern Ukraine, where it had previously planned to engage in Shell production. It is reported by UNIAN.

    Ukraine decided to pay off for the downed plane (?), Only Yuzovskaya Square is located in the DPR. and how to launch foreigners there if Ukraine’s borders are not controlled. laughing
  21. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 July 2016 08: 03
    0
    And you come and borrow. This very border. Remember the "Ilovaisk boiler"? That's exactly what they wanted. And then the VSN could not boast of either numbers, weapons, or combat experience. And now - just right. Forward to the mines. Try it, be weasel!
  22. black
    black 28 July 2016 08: 19
    +3
    There is work for Tsereteli. It is necessary to fashion a shish. 5 meters high and 3 meters wide. Although Tsereteli will do more. We thank the Kiev authorities, from the grateful Russian people.
  23. sgr291158
    sgr291158 28 July 2016 08: 30
    0
    Again the sick rave.
  24. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 28 July 2016 08: 39
    +1
    And how long will ukrozombies live in parallel reality? That is the question.
    However, for more than 2 years they have been living somehow ...
  25. A-Sim
    A-Sim 28 July 2016 08: 42
    +1
    "... Leonid Kuchma, representing Kiev at the negotiation process in Minsk."

    What kind of position is this ????
    Now it is considered legitimate to send the "left" guy, and then declare that he was not authorized?
    HOW are negotiations with him at all?
  26. scrap123
    scrap123 28 July 2016 08: 42
    +1
    It's time to move the border closer to Kiev and let them control ....
  27. wandlitz
    wandlitz 28 July 2016 08: 45
    0
    Ukrainian side "insisted on the return of all sections of the Ukrainian-Russian border under its control"
    Well, let them try to come to these sites and begin to control. Why talk about it in vain ...
  28. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 28 July 2016 09: 21
    +1
    For many events, comments and lies, the truth does not sound about the reasons and culprits for the execution of Donbass.
    1) The basis of these events is the desire of the authorities to free the territory of Donbass from the population. The development of a shale field in this densely populated area is hindered by people. The beginning of these events was laid by Yanukovych, having concluded a secret agreement, rather from greed and misunderstanding of the consequences.
    2) The military army operation of the authorities laid the foundation for the extermination of the population of Donbass. The warriors themselves would not have done so. The Bandera-Fascists, who brought the new power, helped to light the bonfire of the war. Having received the power of the junta, it would have calmed down, but the Bandera battalions are hungry for blood, and the authorities can do nothing with them, maybe they are its foundation.
    3) It is hard to understand that the only force that can really help people is Russia, which from the beginning of the conflict should clearly define its position and call a spade a spade. Namely:
    - recognize the events in Ukraine as a coup
    - Declare the new authorities champions of fascism. The Banderists who are the backbone of the new government are followers of the fascists, namely, punitive fascist units. There are a sufficient number of documents in the country's archives.
    This was not done so that the interests of business would not suffer, although the state pocket of the Russian Federation is emptying in any case. Thus, the lives of thousands of people who died and continue to die were placed on the other side of the scale. In addition to the victims of shelling and mine explosions, there are victims of hunger and "separaist" views, among whom most are victims of banal robbery by bandits, on whom the current government relies, giving complete freedom of action with the connivance of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the assistance and participation of the SBU.
    In addition, the result of such a position today is Russia's assistance to the Ukrainian authorities in reprisals against those who took and is taking part in the fight against bandera-fascists. The resistance participants are being extradited by the Russian authorities under the pretext of fulfilling interstate agreements and "violating the regime of stay on the territory of the Russian Federation."
    The proposed transfer of LDNR borders to Kiev’s control is nothing more than an attempt by the authorities to encircle and clean the territory of Donbass from the population. If you want, this is revenge for Ilovaysky and Debaltsevsky coppers, transformation of Donbass into one huge copper.
    If we consider that the West harnessed the cart of genocide, then they also need to hide the traces of the crimes of the European-backed authorities.
    This explains the position of an EU official.
    On the question of the Minsk agreements, the idea was a success, but it was not taken into account that there is nothing to agree with the Nazis on, they are not going to comply with the agreements, as well as reading what is written in the documents.
    The EU is betting that the debilitation of the population has already passed, and free pocket world media will present the version that is beneficial to those who launched the genocide.
  29. K-50
    K-50 28 July 2016 10: 19
    +2
    Ukraine states: the restoration of control over this section of the state border will contribute to improving the security situation.

    Well yes! So it will be easier and faster to strangle the People's Republics, take them into a complete blockade and strangle them. Only all this has already been passed and that it will turn out to be seen. You don't need such "happiness"! request sad
  30. bald
    bald 28 July 2016 10: 43
    +3
    Not tired of listening to these dlb. It is high time to put an end to these parasites. And Russia needs to harness and not listen to "moskin" nonsense. And so that not one trash to the borders of Poland is left. Stop pulling the cat ....
    1. gg.na
      gg.na 28 July 2016 10: 57
      0
      Quote: bald
      Stop pulling the cat ....

      for all the details! wassat good
  31. Elephant
    Elephant 28 July 2016 11: 25
    0
    And how do Ukrainian border guards differ from Ukrainian APU! Are they white and fluffy? This tsuka Olifer brazenly wants all of us ...