The Estonian Air Forces have refused the American gift in the form of two Sherpa C-23B +

A spokesman for the General Staff of the Estonian Defense Forces, Roland Murof, reports that the Estonian Air Force decided to abandon two Sherpa C-23B + transport planes. It should be noted that these planes were actually given to Estonia by the Americans, as reported, as a "gratuitous replacement of the Soviet An-2."

Портал Estonian National Broadcasting quotes Roland Murof's statement:

The analysis took into account various factors - ranging from the needs of the air force, technical indicators and ending with considerations of economy.

Earlier (in the 2014 year) it was reported that Estonia was adopting the Sherpa C-23B + aircraft to the Air Force. According to the press service of the Estonian Air Force, these planes were supposed to arrive in Estonia in 2015 year. However, now the Estonian side declares that the Sherpa C-23B + air forces of the country are not needed. Apparently, a purely Estonian approach to business, according to which the whole country is confident that it will be saved by NATO partners in any case, worked.

For reference: Sherpa C-23B +, which was planned to be used by the Estonian Air Force, were released by the British company Shorts Brothers, which is structurally part of Bombardier Aerospace. In the US Air Force, these two aircraft operated for three decades.

Some characteristics of Sherpa C-23B + are: the maximum speed is about 350 km / h (Estonian resources report 468 km / h), the flight distance is up to 1,9 thousand km. Rate of climb - up to 60 m / s. Two or three crew members and up to 30 passengers (Estonian resources report 36).

Comments

[hirurg]

And where do Estonians fly them then?)))
And pay for the service.

[Vend]

Beware of the Danaans (mattresses) who bring gifts. Well, they would accept a "gift", they would go broke on maintenance and spare parts. A rare glimpse of reason.

[SRC P-15]

The Estonian Air Forces have refused the American gift in the form of two Sherpa C-23B +

It is a mistake for "Greater Estonia" to accept such second-hand gifts!

[Nikolay82]

Quote: SRC P-15

The Estonian Air Forces have refused the American gift in the form of two Sherpa C-23B +

It is a mistake for "Greater Estonia" to accept such second-hand gifts!

Of course, they want F - 35. Only apparently everything will end, as in the tale of A. Pushkin.

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: Nikolay82

Of course, they want F - 35. Only apparently everything will end, as in the tale of A. Pushkin.

Firstly, the F-35 for the entire budget of the Baltic States will be an excessive burden, even one in three republics.
Secondly, I imagine the air raid in Estonia ...
In and out, in and out, in and out N eleta ... Testing, testing, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Firstly, the F-35 for the entire budget of the Baltic States will be an excessive burden,

Well, a rental or leasing may well take Grippen or F-16 is not the first freshness. It seems that I recently read that Lithuania wants to purchase NASAMS-2 air defense systems.

[Alf]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Lithuania wants to purchase NASAMS-2 air defense systems.

One ?

[Bongo]

Quote: Alf

One ?

In the United States, one NASAMS battery is also on alert. At the same time, the existing Patriot air defense systems are not involved in carrying a permanent database on the territory of the United States.

[VP]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Well, a rental or leasing may well take the Flu or F-16 is not the first freshness

They can take it.
Just what will they do with it?
They have no fighter pilots. You need to cook it.
They have no one who would know anything about the maintenance of these aircraft. You need to cook them.
They have no infrastructure for these aircraft. You need to buy and build.
They have no experience in using fighters, for what they are needed, with whom and how they should interact, who will ensure the fulfillment of tasks, how to carry out combat training, etc.
Those. even one discreet leased fighter will bring a wild amount of smut and cost. With the dubious effect of its acquisition.

[Moore]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

F-35 for the entire budget of the Baltic States will be an excessive burden, even one in three republics.

I would say: "If you want to ruin Estonia - give it a linko ... uh ... AN-2."

[RUSIVAN]

Yeah, I imagine how the whole Estonian economy will work for one such F-35)))

[Teberii]

And what was special about these airplanes was to change the soap, they had already plowed 30.

[marlin1203]

U.S. aviation industry recycling program in action

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: marlin1203

U.S. aviation industry recycling program in action

Yes, I would do these mumbles .... They are free, almost "dagam", and they (well, it looks like a shed on the wings. Maybe the Estonians have learned about the accident rate). The range is 1,9 thousand. I wanted to bomb in Moscow, I wanted to go across the Crimea. Well, stupid. And they want to fly on the An-2, traitors. Or maybe there is something in the An-2? Can I buy them myself?

[edge]

the Balts are accustomed, back in the days of the USSR, to live off the whole country.

Quote: marlin1203

U.S. aviation industry recycling program in action

the whole country is confident that NATO partners "will save it anyway."

[Orionvit]

maximum speed is about 350 km / h (Estonian resources report 468 km / h)

Estonian brakes, due to their innate disadvantage, even try to "add" speed to aircraft. Hold me, if this cuttlefish with its rather large, square fuselage, flies at a speed of 468 km / h, then I will believe in democracy. There is even a lot of 350 km / h.

[your1970]

It's not me making fun of "Shorter Brothers" - Yandex translator:

"Role Transport Aircraft
National origin UK
Producer Shorter Brothers
First flight August 6, 1984
Introduction 1984
Retired Army National Guard 2014
Status In service
Main Users US Army
US Air Force
Produced 1984-1990
Designed with Short 330, Short 360"

"Data with Jane's Worldwide Airplane, 1988-1989 [2]
General characteristics
Crew: three (two pilot plus one crew cabin)
Capacity: 30 passengers or 18 bedding based passengers "

"S-23B + short 360 derivative was created by replacing fuselage tail section of short 360s obtained in the secondary market with two rear and rear ramps made of short faux fur "

"The pilot left the cockpit to use the aft bathroom. His weight in the tailcone shifted the center of gravity enough."

I wanted to read it, Yandex issued a wiki in English. language, well, it rushed - "In short Brothers", "Retired", "Passenger bedding", a crew of 2 pilots and cabins Apparently, Estonia also confused this translation ....
ZY I finished off the "Stern bathroom" and the fact that the movement of the pilot shifts the center of gravity ...
ZYZY "Short 360s obtained on the second-hand market" - and here is getting one model from another by replacing the fuselage with a fuselage from the former on the secondary market - will scare anyone you want, even the Balts. Apparently because of this long service life in reality and refused ...

[win]

Well, they would accept a "gift", they would go broke on maintenance and spare parts

In India, before, if someone wanted to ruin, they gave an elephant ...

[Diana Ilyina]

I read the phrase "Estonian Air Force" and fell under the table, but what are they ?! For fun, I decided to go to Wikipedia to see, and the truth IS:
Composition of 250 people.
Aero L-39C Albatros, training, TWO pieces, both aircraft were hired from Skyline Aviation; Antonov An-2R / T TWO pieces; Robinson R44 Clipper, MULTI-PURPOSE HELICOPTER FOUR! What is the PZL Wilga 35, I did not understand. But the funny thing is they still have "Estonian Air Force Headquarters" even with its own separate chevron ...!

In our regional center with a population of 30 people, the local airfield has 000 An-15 units, 2 units. "Tsesna" and a pair of Mi-2. It's a pity that there is no air force headquarters in the Belokalitvinsky region, otherwise we could compete with the Estonian Air Force on equal terms ...!

[BARKAS]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

What is the PZL Wilga 35, I did not understand.

Probably this one ..

[NIKNN]

. Rate of climb - up to 60 m / s.

What kind of maneuver is this rate of climb (216 km / h)? Probably a minute ...

[Alf]

Quote: NIKNN

What kind of maneuver is this rate of climb (216 km / h)?

In an explosion from below.

[Alex_Tug]

What is PZL Wilga 35

PZL-Okecie PZL-104 Wilga-35A (it looks like)

[33 Watcher]

Quote: Alex_Tug

What is PZL Wilga 35

PZL-Okecie PZL-104 Wilga-35A (it looks like)

Yeah he. Polish training and sports. I have a photo, they are not inserted ...

[weksha50]

Quote: Alex_Tug

PZL-Okecie PZL-104 Wilga-35A (it looks like)

Light bomber ... As during the First World War - you can throw grenades from the window ... at the enemy cavalry ...

[ksv1973]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

... In our regional center with a population of 30 people, the local airfield has 000 An-15 units, 2 units. "Tsesna" and a pair of Mi-2. It's a pity that there is no air force headquarters in the Belokalitvinsky district, otherwise they could compete with the Estonian Air Force on equal terms ...!

Shame on you?! Compared with Estonia, the Belokalitvinsky Air Force is armed to the teeth! And your words are just frenzied militarism!

[Svyatoslavich]

... it's just frantic militarism!

Ohhh!
Ettaaa soooo!
song about Estonians (and photo of the Estonian army: D):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxjpaf7jJzg

[33 Watcher]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

In our regional center with a population of 30 people, the local airfield has 000 An-15 units, 2 units. "Tsesna" and a pair of Mi-2. It's a pity that there is no air force headquarters in the Belokalitvinsky region, otherwise we could compete with the Estonian Air Force on equal terms ...!

What does it mean to stretch? Superiority in technology is yours, so that air supremacy is ensured for you, you can establish a no-fly zone over Estonia.

[33 Watcher]

PZL-104 Wilga (Polish. PZL-104 Wilga, "Oriole") - Polish lightweight sports training aircraft. Designed and manufactured by PZL.

[igordok]

Quote: Wend

Beware of the Danaans (mattresses) who bring gifts. Well, they would accept a "gift", they would go broke on maintenance and spare parts. A rare glimpse of reason.

Those. if the principle "If you want to ruin the country, give it a cruiser" is valid for Latin America, then two airplanes are enough for Estonia?

[Vend]

Quote: igordok

Quote: Wend

Beware of the Danaans (mattresses) who bring gifts. Well, they would accept a "gift", they would go broke on maintenance and spare parts. A rare glimpse of reason.

Those. if the principle "If you want to ruin the country, give it a cruiser" is valid for Latin America, then two airplanes are enough for Estonia?

You see the root

[Alf]

Quote: Wend

Well, they would accept the "gift", they would go broke on maintenance and spare parts. A rare glimpse of reason.

As the saying goes, "If you want to ruin another country, give it a nuclear aircraft carrier."

[guzik007]

... We will give these faces that we are worthless.

[33 Watcher]

"The analysis took into account a variety of factors, ranging from the needs of the air force, technical performance and ending with considerations of economy."

They hold back Russia! No, do you hear? They hold back!

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: Observer 33

They hold back Russia! No, do you hear? They hold back!

Of course they hold back, and still hold back ... Ours, with the sight of the Estonian army alone, will fall from laughter.

I now understand why Western military "experts" give Russia 48 hours to occupy the Baltic states. It's just that our 40 hours will laugh, then another five hours will go away from laughing colic, and in three hours then they will occupy what is already ours by right of purchase and sale! Although we need it for a fig ?! Pure neighing ?!

[Pavel1]

ungrateful, we ourselves can never make such a letak ...

[dmi.pris1]

On this "suitcase" only to Finland ..

Quote: hirurg

And where do Estonians fly them then?)))
And pay for the service.

[aba]

And where do Estonians fly them then?)))

Yes, they just realized that on these two airplanes all of Estonia would not fall down in the event of a mess!

[DenZ]

Apparently the Estonians realized that the disposal of this trash would cost them more than the benefits of operation.

[siberalt]

In vain refused. The Americans have a lot of this stuff. Could make their own air force.

[Smog]

Quote: siberalt

In vain refused. The Americans have a lot of this stuff. Could make their own air force.

So the Americans did not give money for kerosene, but there are none of their own.

[Corsair0304]

Even strange somehow. Melkoshavki and dared to refuse to serve ... Or is there such a price for the service that it is in FIG. Or is this junk such that, against their background, the An-2 is still wow. Another hard worker will work.

[Arkan]

Estonians should not refuse gifts from their master, otherwise it will give nothing more.

[viktor.]

they do not look at a given horse's teeth

[Verdun]

Quote: anna1980

they do not look at a given horse's teeth

What is there to see if the horse is on its last legs, and the funeral is at your expense?

[Dam]

This horse already has no teeth, from old age

[Smith713]

It was necessary to take, now they will give the Khokhlov under the diesel locomotives.

[Altona]

In vain they refused. They would have their own BTA. there probably just the whole "landing mosch" of Estonia will fit. Well, don't, don't.

[Kibalchish]

All the same, it was necessary to take ... In extreme cases, the color would have passed

[Mister22408]

A good samol, a hard worker. Brakes in vain refused, a year later they were withdrawn from the aircraft and would fly to the islands with tourists ...

[Yura]

Quote: Mister22408

Good samol, hard worker.

In the photo, such a bus with wings asks for routes from the district center to the region, we wouldn’t have such a price, it would spin without stopping.

[dauria]

and asks for routes from the district center to the region,

there are 2000 horses with a hook and are eating a hole ... I'd rather drive a tractor, if you have rubbish on the roads. But on the "drink and bite" and you and the tractor driver will remain.

Better "Annushki" on local lines have not come up with anything in the whole world, even though the entire directory of "Jane" search.

[Yura]

Quote: dauria

there are 2000 horses with a hook and guzzle a break ... I'd rather drive a tractor, if you have rubbish on the roads.

I have a tractor, I have a car, the road is not to say that it is absolutely bad, but by car it is five hours, by bus six, by plane on "Annushka" hour forty - one and a half with two intermediate landings, there is a difference. "Annushka" is a wonderful plane, only it takes twelve passengers, it’s not enough, although if it flew three times a day as it was in the eighties, then maybe nothing. About the power and fuel, if the AN-2 is scattered for 12 passengers, and this one for 30-36, then maybe the difference would not be so big although I can be wrong and I don’t know the details of the characteristics, but this is not the point. 2 so AN-2, some other so different, it's not necessarily about the bus from the article.

[Mister22408]

It remains to clarify the nationality and full name of the people who transferred the rights to the production and Tech.D "AN-2" to the Poles (allegedly). It's a pity you don't know that ...

[Mister22408]

I can clarify that many offices there jump from such a device ... Especially if the pilot is in the "night light" and the wind is more than 10 ...

[Mountain shooter]

It's a "strategist"! On an Estonian scale. Refused what? Pilots, probably, should be taught in the states, and this is do-o-o-oo!

[prior]

The Estonians thought and thought and decided: "No, we don't take it. They fly very bistros."

[gispanec]

Quote: hirurg

And where do Estonians fly them then?)))
And pay for the service.

to service and fly ....

[jovanni]

Well, what without a crew, then?

[inkass_98]

maximum speed is about 350 km / h (Estonian resources report 468 km / h)

468 km / h - only in fair wind 450 km / h on the cruising An-24 gives out, so there engines are not a couple of this whatnot, and with better aerodynamics.

[afrikanez]

Crap, of course, rare. Where did it come from? Better An-2, on it even where.

[brasist]

Apparently, these winged monsters do not correspond to the Estonian mentality - they fly too fast for them (e), so they refused ...

[Banishing liberoids]

Estonians waited so much for a freebie f35, and they slipped such a trough !!!

[izya top]

realized that it’s not free? or is it embarrassing to admit that the pilots are not net?

[Alex_Tug]

After the author, how many An-2s does the Estonian Air Force have?
Where do Estonians fly on these Sherpas? A couple of transport helicopters will not interfere with them for emergency situations (for the police or the army).

[Tanya]

It would be possible to use one plane for air parades, and rent the second to neighbors.

[kimanas]

But as it sounds:
two transport aircraft

[KBR109]

Two military transport sides. So even richer is heard. Apparently, they nevertheless calculated wear, spare parts, fuel and lubricants and decided that Ukraine, which was holding back all Russian power, would be more needed. An act worthy of a friend.

[maxim1987]

speed - about 350 km / h (Estonian resources report 468 km

[Runx135]

Given the speed of reaction of Estonian pilots, these too fast planes will very quickly find themselves outside the borders of Estonia, which is why they refused.

[Azim77]

I suspect that all these "gratuitous" gifts from the owner are not free at all.

Lady to my girlfriend: I’m going, I’m looking at a hundred dollars on the road, I bent to pick it up, I was glad, I thought I found it ... and suddenly I feel - no: I WORK ...

[x.andvlad]

What? Would accept the gift, and there would be a reason to establish an Estonian Air Force Day! Or did the "breadwinners" want to sell these devices without kerosene?

[brasist]

So they still need to be maintained (and striped with their repairmen apparently transmit this scrap) and what to pay if only ... although this is a geyropa.

[Romanenko]

300 km / h with a slap like aphid aphids of Estonia, An a little more willing ..

[pts-m]

As in a parable in tongues ... God be upon you, which is not good for us ...

[Red_Hamer]

Once the showcase of the USSR was, I did not like it! Now, the USA offers ("unobtrusively" so) to become its junk-dump! Liked?

[estixnumx]

Estonian Airborne Forces are simply not equipped and are not ready for deep landing operations beyond the Urals. And since we have no good excuses, there are no planes.

[michell]

Rate of climb - up to 60 m / s.

A healthy indicator for the analogue of AN-2. The MiG-15 (according to Wiki) - at the ground 41 m / s .

[Nikolay82]

Quote: esti1979

Estonian Airborne Forces are simply not equipped and are not ready for deep landing operations beyond the Urals. And since we have no good excuses, there are no planes.

Estonian Airborne Forces ??? easier to find an Estonian macho than an Estonian Airborne Forces (Soviet landing doesn't count)

[Nikolay82]

Quote: BARKAS

Quote: Diana Ilyina

What is the PZL Wilga 35, I did not understand.

Probably this one ..

This is the Latvian Air Force. There is no kerosene, but hunting is flying.

[Nyrobsky]

Two to three crew members and up to 30 passengers (Estonian resources report 36).

They stuffed their hand with sprats. If desired, they will shove 60 passengers into these rotary-wing aircraft)))

[atamankko]

Beggars, but they keep the brand, they do not say that it is expensive to maintain.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Siegen

In India, before, if someone wanted to ruin, they gave an elephant ...

For Estonia, this is an elephant, in two copies. Well, how many damned invaders will have to buy kerosene. And this rubbish will begin to roll in a month, the time has come, so pay for each bolt. Popados.

[win]

Some small airplanes.
Estonia even has aircraft carriers, only sooooo small (see 2015 military parade in Narva)

[viktor.]

[q uote = Smit713] It was necessary to take, now they will give the Khokhlov under the dump truck. [/ quot

Quote: Smit713

It was necessary to take, now they will give the Khokhlov under the diesel locomotives.

Beijing has its best air forces on the continent, Moldavians are more likely to be driven

[weksha50]

" In the US Air Force, these two aircraft were operated for three decades"...

Too "expensive" gift ... Their (planes) need to be fed, watered, serviced, repaired ...

Yes, and the Air Force in Estonia consists of several Robinson helicopters, several An-2 and L-39 ... Where much more?

PS Estonian Air Force ... sounds proudly ... A bit like the Ukrainian Navy ...

[tulpar]

american corncob

[iliitchitch]

Quote: atamankko

Beggars, but they keep the brand, they do not say that it is expensive to maintain.

Blessed, um, poor in spirit. Ahead. What for us? First, let a used tank be bought from the owners. Realize for three. What didn’t live?

[fa2998]

Quote: Mavrikiy

(well, it looks like a wing shed.

Somehow in the late 80s I read a detailed article about the "Sherpa." Normal light aircraft, the workhorse of supply and repair of the NATO Air Force. For example, from warehouses in the continental US or from Germany delivers turbojet engines assembled for replacement to an air base. Inexpensive and angry. But that was when it was! The plane is already outdated, now transport workers probably already fly on jet. What in Sherpa captivates - the cost of an hour of flight is small.

[Nikolay82]

Quote: Siegen

Some small airplanes.
Estonia even has aircraft carriers, only sooooo small (see 2015 military parade in Narva)

Estonians even have a submarine, though it is a land one.

[Ferdinant]

Not a plane, but a shed with propellers.

[Lord_Bran]

No, a clear pepelats!

[Nikolay82]

Quote: hert

the whole country is confident that NATO partners "will save it anyway."

not all of them, but these "hot Estonians" are definitely hoping.
https://youtu.be/OSkgCel4_ew

[Mykl]

And now, as usual, with delay, the Estonians have learned what the cost of ownership is. And also found out what the cost of standing on the ground plane. And it turned out that this is by no means free.

[mirrorfax]

Yes, everything is simple.
On paper was proudly written Sherpa C-23B +. We thought the top technology for free get. Until they saw it with their own eyes.
And they decided that the Russians would not raise a laugh, it is better to refuse.
Well, what's wrong with that?
Brezhnev, too, sometimes refused gifts. Once he even refused the highest order of the Republic of Burkina Faso "gold earrings in the nose".
Similarly here.

[Skifotavr]

Born proudly crawl on a western leash to fly does not really want to.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

In our regional center with a population of 30 people, the local airfield has 000 An-15 units, 2 units. "Tsesna" and a pair of Mi-2. It's a pity that there is no air force headquarters in the Belokalitvinsky region, otherwise we could compete with the Estonian Air Force on equal terms ...!

Beauty Diana, I'm afraid to upset you: you won’t be able to compete. I think that in your area there are more pilots than in the Estonian air force, they have problems with this. And the level of general flight training is not all right. And please, don’t scare them anymore - they will get the old fighter out of fright, and they’ll go around the world

[nivander]

It was the Germans who, during the Second World War, were the first to think of putting dviguns on an airborne glider. Sherpa is a purebred glider with roughly stuck dvigunami. It is quite acceptable somewhere in South America or Africa in the segment of transporting small and light loads and people over short distances to hard-to-reach areas .Now the question is why Sherpa brakes if at any point Braking can be reached by helicopter, and to Moonsund on any non-raw boat

[Forever so]

Passenger capacity 36 people. Well, why is this needed ?? Carry air ?? The army was loaded and half of the seats empty.