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The Estonian Air Forces have refused the American gift in the form of two Sherpa C-23B +

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A spokesman for the General Staff of the Estonian Defense Forces, Roland Murof, reports that the Estonian Air Force decided to abandon two Sherpa C-23B + transport planes. It should be noted that these planes were actually given to Estonia by the Americans, as reported, as a "gratuitous replacement of the Soviet An-2."


Портал Estonian National Broadcasting quotes Roland Murof's statement:
The analysis took into account various factors - ranging from the needs of the air force, technical indicators and ending with considerations of economy.


The Estonian Air Forces have refused the American gift in the form of two Sherpa C-23B +


Earlier (in the 2014 year) it was reported that Estonia was adopting the Sherpa C-23B + aircraft to the Air Force. According to the press service of the Estonian Air Force, these planes were supposed to arrive in Estonia in 2015 year. However, now the Estonian side declares that the Sherpa C-23B + air forces of the country are not needed. Apparently, a purely Estonian approach to business, according to which the whole country is confident that it will be saved by NATO partners in any case, worked.

For reference: Sherpa C-23B +, which was planned to be used by the Estonian Air Force, were released by the British company Shorts Brothers, which is structurally part of Bombardier Aerospace. In the US Air Force, these two aircraft operated for three decades.

Some characteristics of Sherpa C-23B + are: the maximum speed is about 350 km / h (Estonian resources report 468 km / h), the flight distance is up to 1,9 thousand km. Rate of climb - up to 60 m / s. Two or three crew members and up to 30 passengers (Estonian resources report 36).
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  1. hirurg
    hirurg 27 July 2016 15: 23
    +21
    And where do Estonians fly them then?)))
    And pay for the service.
    1. Vend
      Vend 27 July 2016 15: 29
      +39
      Beware of the Danaans (mattresses) who bring gifts. Well, they would accept a "gift", they would go broke on maintenance and spare parts. A rare glimpse of reason.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 27 July 2016 15: 35
        +15
        The Estonian Air Forces have refused the American gift in the form of two Sherpa C-23B +

        It is a mistake for "Greater Estonia" to accept such second-hand gifts! smile
        1. Nikolay82
          Nikolay82 27 July 2016 17: 06
          +6
          Quote: SRC P-15
          The Estonian Air Forces have refused the American gift in the form of two Sherpa C-23B +

          It is a mistake for "Greater Estonia" to accept such second-hand gifts! smile

          Of course, they want F - 35. Only apparently everything will end, as in the tale of A. Pushkin.
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 27 July 2016 17: 25
            +20
            Quote: Nikolay82
            Of course, they want F - 35. Only apparently everything will end, as in the tale of A. Pushkin.


            Firstly, the F-35 for the entire budget of the Baltic States will be an excessive burden, even one in three republics.
            Secondly, I imagine the air raid in Estonia ...
            In and out, in and out, in and out N eleta ... Testing, testing, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 27 July 2016 17: 46
              +1
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              Firstly, the F-35 for the entire budget of the Baltic States will be an excessive burden,

              Well, a rental or leasing may well take Grippen or F-16 is not the first freshness. It seems that I recently read that Lithuania wants to purchase NASAMS-2 air defense systems.
              1. Alf
                Alf 27 July 2016 21: 59
                +1
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                Lithuania wants to purchase NASAMS-2 air defense systems.

                One ?
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 28 July 2016 09: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: Alf
                  One ?

                  In the United States, one NASAMS battery is also on alert. At the same time, the existing Patriot air defense systems are not involved in carrying a permanent database on the territory of the United States.
              2. VP
                VP 28 July 2016 09: 54
                +2
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                Well, a rental or leasing may well take the Flu or F-16 is not the first freshness

                They can take it.
                Just what will they do with it?
                They have no fighter pilots. You need to cook it.
                They have no one who would know anything about the maintenance of these aircraft. You need to cook them.
                They have no infrastructure for these aircraft. You need to buy and build.
                They have no experience in using fighters, for what they are needed, with whom and how they should interact, who will ensure the fulfillment of tasks, how to carry out combat training, etc.
                Those. even one discreet leased fighter will bring a wild amount of smut and cost. With the dubious effect of its acquisition.
            2. Moore
              Moore 28 July 2016 04: 31
              0
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              F-35 for the entire budget of the Baltic States will be an excessive burden, even one in three republics.

              I would say: "If you want to ruin Estonia - give it a linko ... uh ... AN-2."
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          2. RUSIVAN
            RUSIVAN 27 July 2016 17: 52
            +5
            Yeah, I imagine how the whole Estonian economy will work for one such F-35)))
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      2. Teberii
        Teberii 27 July 2016 15: 35
        +6
        And what was special about these airplanes was to change the soap, they had already plowed 30.
        1. marlin1203
          marlin1203 27 July 2016 15: 40
          +23
          U.S. aviation industry recycling program in action
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 27 July 2016 17: 21
            +1
            Quote: marlin1203
            U.S. aviation industry recycling program in action

            Yes, I would do these mumbles .... They are free, almost "dagam", and they (well, it looks like a shed on the wings. Maybe the Estonians have learned about the accident rate). The range is 1,9 thousand. I wanted to bomb in Moscow, I wanted to go across the Crimea. Well, stupid. And they want to fly on the An-2, traitors. Or maybe there is something in the An-2? Can I buy them myself?
          2. edge
            edge 27 July 2016 18: 04
            +1
            the Balts are accustomed, back in the days of the USSR, to live off the whole country.
            Quote: marlin1203
            U.S. aviation industry recycling program in action

            the whole country is confident that NATO partners "will save it anyway."
        2. Orionvit
          Orionvit 27 July 2016 18: 21
          +4
          maximum speed is about 350 km / h (Estonian resources report 468 km / h)
          Estonian brakes, due to their innate disadvantage, even try to "add" speed to aircraft. Hold me, if this cuttlefish with its rather large, square fuselage, flies at a speed of 468 km / h, then I will believe in democracy. There is even a lot of 350 km / h.
        3. your1970
          your1970 27 July 2016 23: 38
          +2
          It's not me making fun of "Shorter Brothers" - Yandex translator:

          "The role of Transport aircraft
          National origin UK
          Manufacturer Shorter Brothers
          First flight August 6, 1984
          1984 introduction
          Retired National Guard Army 2014
          Status To Service
          The main users of the US Army
          US Air Force
          Produced 1984-1990
          Designed with Short 330, Short 360 "

          "Data with Jane's Worldwide Airplane, 1988-1989 [2]
          General characteristics
          Crew: three (two pilot plus one crew cabin)
          Capacity: 30 passengers or 18 bedding based passengers "

          "S-23B + short 360 derivative was created by replacing fuselage tail section of short 360s obtained in the secondary market with two rear and rear ramps made of short faux fur "

          "The pilot left the cockpit to use the aft bathroom. His weight in the tailcone shifted the center of gravity enough."

          I wanted to read it, Yandex issued a wiki in English. language, well, it rushed - "In short Brothers", "Retired", "Passenger bedding", a crew of 2 pilots and cabins repeat what lol Apparently, Estonia also confused this translation ....
          ZY I finished off the "Stern bathroom" and the fact that the movement of the pilot shifts the center of gravity ...
          ZYZY "Short 360s obtained on the second-hand market" - and here is getting one model from another by replacing the fuselage with a fuselage from the former on the secondary market - will scare anyone you want, even the Balts. Apparently because of this long service life in reality and refused ...
      3. win
        win 27 July 2016 15: 55
        +17
        Well, they would accept a "gift", they would go broke on maintenance and spare parts


        In India, before, if someone wanted to ruin, they gave an elephant ...
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 27 July 2016 16: 07
          +47
          I read the phrase "Estonian Air Force" and fell under the table, but what are they ?! For fun, I decided to go to Wikipedia to see, and the truth IS:
          Composition of 250 people.
          Aero L-39C Albatros, training, TWO pieces, both aircraft were hired from Skyline Aviation; Antonov An-2R / T TWO pieces; Robinson R44 Clipper, MULTI-PURPOSE HELICOPTER FOUR! What is the PZL Wilga 35, I did not understand. But the funny thing is they still have "Estonian Air Force Headquarters" even with its own separate chevron ...!

          In our regional center with a population of 30 people, the local airfield has 000 An-15 units, 2 units. "Tsesna" and a pair of Mi-2. It's a pity that there is no air force headquarters in the Belokalitvinsky region, otherwise we could compete with the Estonian Air Force on equal terms ...! angry
          1. BARKAS
            BARKAS 27 July 2016 17: 08
            +9
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            What is the PZL Wilga 35, I did not understand.

            Probably this one ..
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN 27 July 2016 17: 21
              +5
              . Rate of climb - up to 60 m / s.

              What kind of maneuver is this rate of climb (216 km / h)? Probably a minute ...
              1. Alf
                Alf 27 July 2016 22: 01
                +3
                Quote: NIKNN
                What kind of maneuver is this rate of climb (216 km / h)?

                In an explosion from below.
          2. Alex_Tug
            Alex_Tug 27 July 2016 17: 24
            +4
            What is PZL Wilga 35


            PZL-Okecie PZL-104 Wilga-35A (it looks like)
            1. 33 Watcher
              33 Watcher 27 July 2016 18: 16
              0
              Quote: Alex_Tug
              What is PZL Wilga 35


              PZL-Okecie PZL-104 Wilga-35A (it looks like)

              Yeah he. Polish training and sports. I have a photo, they are not inserted ...
            2. weksha50
              weksha50 27 July 2016 19: 22
              +6
              Quote: Alex_Tug
              PZL-Okecie PZL-104 Wilga-35A (it looks like)



              Light bomber ... As during the First World War - you can throw grenades from the window ... at the enemy cavalry ... laughing
          3. ksv1973
            ksv1973 27 July 2016 17: 29
            +11
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            ... In our regional center with a population of 30 people, the local airfield has 000 An-15 units, 2 units. "Tsesna" and a pair of Mi-2. It's a pity that there is no air force headquarters in the Belokalitvinsky district, otherwise they could compete with the Estonian Air Force on equal terms ...! angry

            Shame on you?! Compared with Estonia, the Belokalitvinsky Air Force is armed to the teeth! And your words are just frenzied militarism! laughing
            1. Svyatoslavich
              Svyatoslavich 29 July 2016 13: 54
              0
              ... it's just frantic militarism!
              Ohhh!
              Ettaaa soooo!
              song about Estonians (and photo of the Estonian army: D):
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxjpaf7jJzg
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          5. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 27 July 2016 18: 11
            +11
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            In our regional center with a population of 30 people, the local airfield has 000 An-15 units, 2 units. "Tsesna" and a pair of Mi-2. It's a pity that there is no air force headquarters in the Belokalitvinsky region, otherwise we could compete with the Estonian Air Force on equal terms ...!

            What does it mean to stretch? Superiority in technology is yours, so that air supremacy is ensured for you, you can establish a no-fly zone over Estonia. laughing
          6. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 27 July 2016 18: 14
            0
            PZL-104 Wilga (Polish. PZL-104 Wilga, "Oriole") - Polish lightweight sports training aircraft. Designed and manufactured by PZL.
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      4. igordok
        igordok 27 July 2016 16: 44
        +5
        Quote: Wend
        Beware of the Danaans (mattresses) who bring gifts. Well, they would accept a "gift", they would go broke on maintenance and spare parts. A rare glimpse of reason.

        Those. if the principle "If you want to ruin the country, give it a cruiser" is valid for Latin America, then two airplanes are enough for Estonia? laughing
        1. Vend
          Vend 27 July 2016 17: 28
          +2
          Quote: igordok
          Quote: Wend
          Beware of the Danaans (mattresses) who bring gifts. Well, they would accept a "gift", they would go broke on maintenance and spare parts. A rare glimpse of reason.

          Those. if the principle "If you want to ruin the country, give it a cruiser" is valid for Latin America, then two airplanes are enough for Estonia? laughing

          You see the root wink
      5. Alf
        Alf 27 July 2016 21: 59
        +1
        Quote: Wend
        Well, they would accept the "gift", they would go broke on maintenance and spare parts. A rare glimpse of reason.

        As the saying goes, "If you want to ruin another country, give it a nuclear aircraft carrier."
      6. guzik007
        guzik007 28 July 2016 09: 49
        0
        ... We will give these faces that we are worthless.
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 27 July 2016 16: 17
      +10
      "The analysis took into account a variety of factors, ranging from the needs of the air force, technical performance and ending with considerations of economy."

      They hold back Russia! No, do you hear? They hold back! laughing
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 27 July 2016 16: 36
        +14
        Quote: Observer 33
        They hold back Russia! No, do you hear? They hold back! laughing


        Of course they hold back, and still hold back ... Ours, with the sight of the Estonian army alone, will fall from laughter.

        I now understand why Western military "experts" give Russia 48 hours to occupy the Baltic states. It's just that our 40 hours will laugh, then another five hours will go away from laughing colic, and in three hours then they will occupy what is already ours by right of purchase and sale! Although we need it for a fig ?! Pure neighing ?!
    3. Pavel1
      Pavel1 27 July 2016 18: 14
      0
      ungrateful, we ourselves can never make such a letak ...
    4. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 27 July 2016 20: 45
      0
      On this "suitcase" only to Finland ..
      Quote: hirurg
      And where do Estonians fly them then?)))
      And pay for the service.
    5. aba
      aba 27 July 2016 22: 36
      0
      And where do Estonians fly them then?)))

      Yes, they just realized that on these two airplanes all of Estonia would not fall down in the event of a mess! laughing
  2. DenZ
    DenZ 27 July 2016 15: 24
    +12
    Apparently the Estonians realized that the disposal of this trash would cost them more than the benefits of operation.
  3. siberalt
    siberalt 27 July 2016 15: 24
    +4
    In vain refused. The Americans have a lot of this stuff. Could make their own air force. laughing
    1. Smog
      Smog 27 July 2016 16: 27
      +8
      Quote: siberalt
      In vain refused. The Americans have a lot of this stuff. Could make their own air force. laughing

      So the Americans did not give money for kerosene, but there are none of their own.
  4. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 27 July 2016 15: 24
    +7
    Even strange somehow. Melkoshavki and dared to refuse to serve ... Or is there such a price for the service that it is in FIG. Or is this junk such that, against their background, the An-2 is still wow. Another hard worker will work.
  5. Arkan
    Arkan 27 July 2016 15: 25
    +2
    Estonians should not refuse gifts from their master, otherwise it will give nothing more.
  6. viktor.
    viktor. 27 July 2016 15: 28
    +1
    they do not look at a given horse's teeth laughing
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 27 July 2016 16: 02
      +11
      Quote: anna1980
      they do not look at a given horse's teeth

      What is there to see if the horse is on its last legs, and the funeral is at your expense?
    2. Dam
      Dam 27 July 2016 17: 36
      0
      This horse already has no teeth, from old age
  7. Smit713
    Smit713 27 July 2016 15: 30
    +7
    It was necessary to take, now they will give the Khokhlov under the diesel locomotives.
  8. Altona
    Altona 27 July 2016 15: 31
    +11
    In vain they refused. They would have their own BTA. there probably just the whole "landing mosch" of Estonia will fit. Well, don't, don't. request laughing
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 27 July 2016 19: 37
      +1
      All the same, it was necessary to take ... In extreme cases, the color would have passed laughing
  9. Mister22408
    Mister22408 27 July 2016 15: 31
    +5
    A good samol, a hard worker. Brakes in vain refused, a year later they were withdrawn from the aircraft and would fly to the islands with tourists ...
    1. Yura
      Yura 27 July 2016 16: 11
      +7
      Quote: Mister22408
      Good samol, hard worker.

      In the photo, such a bus with wings asks for routes from the district center to the region, we wouldn’t have such a price, it would spin without stopping.
      1. dauria
        dauria 27 July 2016 18: 39
        +4
        and asks for routes from the district center to the region,


        there are 2000 horses with a hook and are eating a hole ... I'd rather drive a tractor, if you have rubbish on the roads. But on the "drink and bite" and you and the tractor driver will remain.

        Better "Annushki" on local lines have not come up with anything in the whole world, even though the entire directory of "Jane" search.
        1. Yura
          Yura 27 July 2016 19: 55
          +2
          Quote: dauria
          there are 2000 horses with a hook and guzzle a break ... I'd rather drive a tractor, if you have rubbish on the roads.

          I have a tractor, I have a car, the road is not to say that it is absolutely bad, but by car it is five hours, by bus six, by plane on "Annushka" hour forty - one and a half with two intermediate landings, there is a difference. "Annushka" is a wonderful plane, only it takes twelve passengers, it’s not enough, although if it flew three times a day as it was in the eighties, then maybe nothing. About the power and fuel, if the AN-2 is scattered for 12 passengers, and this one for 30-36, then maybe the difference would not be so big although I can be wrong and I don’t know the details of the characteristics, but this is not the point. 2 so AN-2, some other so different, it's not necessarily about the bus from the article.
        2. Mister22408
          Mister22408 27 July 2016 20: 53
          +1
          It remains to clarify the nationality and full name of the people who transferred the rights to the production and Tech.D "AN-2" to the Poles (allegedly). It's a pity you don't know that ...
      2. Mister22408
        Mister22408 27 July 2016 20: 56
        +1
        I can clarify that many offices there jump from such a device ... Especially if the pilot is in the "night light" and the wind is more than 10 ...
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 July 2016 15: 32
    0
    It's a "strategist"! On an Estonian scale. Refused what? Pilots, probably, should be taught in the states, and this is do-o-o-oo! laughing
  11. prior
    prior 27 July 2016 15: 32
    +12
    The Estonians thought and thought and decided: "No, we don't take it. They fly very bistros."
  12. gispanec
    gispanec 27 July 2016 15: 34
    0
    Quote: hirurg
    And where do Estonians fly them then?)))
    And pay for the service.

    to service and fly .... wassat
  13. jovanni
    jovanni 27 July 2016 15: 34
    0
    Well, what without a crew, then?
  14. inkass_98
    inkass_98 27 July 2016 15: 34
    +6
    maximum speed is about 350 km / h (Estonian resources report 468 km / h)

    468 km / h - only in fair wind laughing 450 km / h on the cruising An-24 gives out, so there engines are not a couple of this whatnot, and with better aerodynamics.
  15. afrikanez
    afrikanez 27 July 2016 15: 37
    +2
    Crap, of course, rare. Where did it come from? Better An-2, on it even where. lol
  16. brasist
    brasist 27 July 2016 15: 37
    +3
    Apparently, these winged monsters do not correspond to the Estonian mentality - they fly too fast for them (e), so they refused ...
  17. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 27 July 2016 15: 44
    +2
    Estonians waited so much for a freebie f35, and they slipped such a trough !!! wassat
  18. izya top
    izya top 27 July 2016 15: 46
    +3
    realized that it’s not free? or is it embarrassing to admit that the pilots are not net?
  19. Alex_Tug
    Alex_Tug 27 July 2016 15: 48
    +1
    After the author, how many An-2s does the Estonian Air Force have?
    Where do Estonians fly on these Sherpas? A couple of transport helicopters will not interfere with them for emergency situations (for the police or the army).
    1. Tanya
      Tanya 27 July 2016 15: 54
      +3
      It would be possible to use one plane for air parades, and rent the second to neighbors. what
  20. kimanas
    kimanas 27 July 2016 15: 51
    +7
    But as it sounds:
    two transport aircraft
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 27 July 2016 16: 22
      +7
      Two military transport sides. So even richer is heard. Apparently, they nevertheless calculated wear, spare parts, fuel and lubricants and decided that Ukraine, which was holding back all Russian power, would be more needed. An act worthy of a friend. laughing
  21. maxim1987
    maxim1987 27 July 2016 15: 52
    0
    speed - about 350 km / h (Estonian resources report 468 km lol
  22. Runx135
    Runx135 27 July 2016 15: 53
    +3
    Given the speed of reaction of Estonian pilots, these too fast planes will very quickly find themselves outside the borders of Estonia, which is why they refused. wink
  23. Azim77
    Azim77 27 July 2016 15: 54
    +2
    I suspect that all these "gratuitous" gifts from the owner are not free at all.

    Lady to my girlfriend: I’m going, I’m looking at a hundred dollars on the road, I bent to pick it up, I was glad, I thought I found it ... and suddenly I feel - no: I WORK ...
  24. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 27 July 2016 15: 57
    +1
    What? Would accept the gift, and there would be a reason to establish an Estonian Air Force Day! Or did the "breadwinners" want to sell these devices without kerosene? repeat
    1. brasist
      brasist 27 July 2016 16: 03
      +1
      So they still need to be maintained (and striped with their repairmen apparently transmit this scrap) and what to pay if only ... tongue although this is a geyropa.
  25. Romanenko
    Romanenko 27 July 2016 16: 32
    +2
    300 km / h with a slap like aphid aphids of Estonia, An a little more willing ..
  26. pts-m
    pts-m 27 July 2016 16: 35
    +1
    As in a parable in tongues ... God be upon you, which is not good for us ...
  27. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 27 July 2016 16: 37
    +2
    Once the showcase of the USSR was, I did not like it! Now, the USA offers ("unobtrusively" so) to become its junk-dump! Liked?
  28. estixnumx
    estixnumx 27 July 2016 16: 45
    0
    Estonian Airborne Forces are simply not equipped and are not ready for deep landing operations beyond the Urals. And since we have no good excuses, there are no planes.
  29. michell
    michell 27 July 2016 16: 46
    0
    Rate of climb - up to 60 m / s.

    A healthy indicator for the analogue of AN-2. The MiG-15 (according to Wiki) - at the ground 41 m / s wassat .
  30. Nikolay82
    Nikolay82 27 July 2016 17: 14
    0
    Quote: esti1979
    Estonian Airborne Forces are simply not equipped and are not ready for deep landing operations beyond the Urals. And since we have no good excuses, there are no planes.

    Estonian Airborne Forces ??? easier to find an Estonian macho than an Estonian Airborne Forces (Soviet landing doesn't count)
  31. Nikolay82
    Nikolay82 27 July 2016 17: 32
    0
    Quote: BARKAS
    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    What is the PZL Wilga 35, I did not understand.

    Probably this one ..

    This is the Latvian Air Force. There is no kerosene, but hunting is flying.
  32. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 27 July 2016 17: 47
    +1
    Two to three crew members and up to 30 passengers (Estonian resources report 36).

    They stuffed their hand with sprats. If desired, they will shove 60 passengers into these rotary-wing aircraft)))
  33. atamankko
    atamankko 27 July 2016 17: 50
    +1
    Beggars, but they keep the brand, they do not say that it is expensive to maintain.
  34. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 27 July 2016 17: 51
    0
    Quote: Siegen
    In India, before, if someone wanted to ruin, they gave an elephant ...


    For Estonia, this is an elephant, in two copies. Well, how many damned invaders will have to buy kerosene. And this rubbish will begin to roll in a month, the time has come, so pay for each bolt. Popados.
  35. win
    win 27 July 2016 18: 00
    +3
    Some small airplanes.
    Estonia even has aircraft carriers, only sooooo small (see 2015 military parade in Narva)
  36. viktor.
    viktor. 27 July 2016 18: 00
    0
    [q uote = Smit713] It was necessary to take, now they will give the Khokhlov under the dump truck. [/ quot
    Quote: Smit713
    It was necessary to take, now they will give the Khokhlov under the diesel locomotives.

    Beijing has its best air forces on the continent, Moldavians are more likely to be driven laughing
  37. weksha50
    weksha50 27 July 2016 19: 13
    +1
    " In the US Air Force, these two aircraft were operated for three decades"...

    Too "expensive" gift ... Their (planes) need to be fed, watered, serviced, repaired ...

    Yes, and the Air Force in Estonia consists of several Robinson helicopters, several An-2 and L-39 ... Where much more?

    PS Estonian Air Force ... sounds proudly ... A bit like the Ukrainian Navy ...
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  39. tulpar
    tulpar 27 July 2016 19: 22
    0
    american corncob
  40. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 27 July 2016 19: 24
    0
    Quote: atamankko
    Beggars, but they keep the brand, they do not say that it is expensive to maintain.


    Blessed, um, poor in spirit. Ahead. What for us? First, let a used tank be bought from the owners. Realize for three. What didn’t live?
  41. fa2998
    fa2998 27 July 2016 19: 51
    +1
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    (well, it looks like a wing shed.

    Somehow in the late 80s I read a detailed article about the "Sherpa." Normal light aircraft, the workhorse of supply and repair of the NATO Air Force. For example, from warehouses in the continental US or from Germany delivers turbojet engines assembled for replacement to an air base. Inexpensive and angry. But that was when it was! The plane is already outdated, now transport workers probably already fly on jet. What in Sherpa captivates - the cost of an hour of flight is small. hi
  42. Nikolay82
    Nikolay82 27 July 2016 20: 13
    0
    Quote: Siegen
    Some small airplanes.
    Estonia even has aircraft carriers, only sooooo small (see 2015 military parade in Narva)

    Estonians even have a submarine, though it is a land one. hi
  43. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 27 July 2016 20: 46
    +1
    Not a plane, but a shed with propellers.
    1. Lord_Bran
      Lord_Bran 27 July 2016 21: 18
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      No, a clear pepelats!
  44. Nikolay82
    Nikolay82 27 July 2016 22: 17
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    Quote: hert

    the whole country is confident that NATO partners "will save it anyway."



    not all of them, but these "hot Estonians" are definitely hoping.
    https://youtu.be/OSkgCel4_ew
  45. Mykl
    Mykl 27 July 2016 22: 42
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    And now, as usual, with delay, the Estonians have learned what the cost of ownership is. And also found out what the cost of standing on the ground plane. And it turned out that this is by no means free.
  46. Mirrorfax
    Mirrorfax 27 July 2016 23: 18
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    Yes, everything is simple.
    On paper was proudly written Sherpa C-23B +. We thought the top technology for free get. Until they saw it with their own eyes.
    And they decided that the Russians would not raise a laugh, it is better to refuse.
    Well, what's wrong with that?
    Brezhnev, too, sometimes refused gifts. Once he even refused the highest order of the Republic of Burkina Faso "gold earrings in the nose".
    Similarly here.
  47. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 27 July 2016 23: 20
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    Born proudly crawl on a western leash to fly does not really want to.
  48. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 28 July 2016 00: 54
    +7
    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    In our regional center with a population of 30 people, the local airfield has 000 An-15 units, 2 units. "Tsesna" and a pair of Mi-2. It's a pity that there is no air force headquarters in the Belokalitvinsky region, otherwise we could compete with the Estonian Air Force on equal terms ...!

    Beauty Diana, I'm afraid to upset you: you won’t be able to compete. I think that in your area there are more pilots than in the Estonian air force, they have problems with this. And the level of general flight training is not all right. And please, don’t scare them anymore - they will get the old fighter out of fright, and they’ll go around the world
  49. nivander
    nivander 28 July 2016 09: 41
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    It was the Germans who, during the Second World War, were the first to think of putting dviguns on an airborne glider. Sherpa is a purebred glider with roughly stuck dvigunami. It is quite acceptable somewhere in South America or Africa in the segment of transporting small and light loads and people over short distances to hard-to-reach areas .Now the question is why Sherpa brakes if at any point Braking can be reached by helicopter, and to Moonsund on any non-raw boat
  50. Forever so
    Forever so 30 July 2016 12: 17
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    Passenger capacity 36 people. Well, why is this needed ?? Carry air ?? The army was loaded and half of the seats empty.