The special detachment "Russia" added new IL-96 entirely Russian production

The special flight squadron “Russia” on Friday transferred the new IL-96-300 aircraft, all of whose components are completely Russian-made, reports RIA News message of the press secretary of the manager of the Russian president, Elena Krylova.

The flight squad "Russia" provides transportation of senior officials.

“The Il-96-300 airplane is made of domestic components, the new systems and equipment installed on it are entirely Russian-made. The aircraft was built in cooperation with a number of leading domestic enterprises that were engaged in the development of communication systems and aircraft protection, ”

told Krylov.

“There are significant innovations in the new aircraft - an improved system for protection against external threats, a flight-navigation complex that ensures the fulfillment of all the requirements of airworthiness standards, including international ones. At the same time IL-96-300 keeps the best traditions of the famous "Ilyushin" design school. For decades, these liners demonstrate high reliability of operation and are recognized as the safest all over the world, ”the spokeswoman added.

Comments

[Siberian]

All the same, a beautiful plane! It is a pity that in gazhdank these are not exploited actively.

[seti]

It is a pity that there are so few of them.

[cniza]

A country that is developing aircraft construction will develop in all respects. Good luck to our country.

[basalt16]

The Voronezh enterprise is loaded until 2020. The portfolio of orders is as much as a dozen aircraft !! This is a crazy pace. The USSR is "resting". Yes, Russia will develop very successfully at such a pace. Especially with Putin's falcons - Manturov and Slyusarenko

[Thomas 1989]

. Especially with falcons - Manturov and Slyusarenko "" "))) Let's add Rogozin here, he is already in 2010, that is, in 2012 or 2014, well, certainly in 2017, to the edge in 2020 and guaranteed in 2030 he will create a new RUSSIAN PASSENGER AIRPLANE the best in the world! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!] "

[jjj]

Judging by the information, the trim is now its own, and not Swiss. At this pace, you can soon offer domestic design of VIP salons to serious customers around the world.

[DmitryK]

And why do we need these VIP customers ???? For ordinary Russians it is necessary to plan their production

[Lord of the Sith]

Quote: seti

It is a pity that there are so few of them.

IL-96-300 produced in series at the VASO plant in Voronezh. The only passenger aircraft in the series in operation. 20 aircraft were releasedincluding experienced. Maximum take-off weight - 250 tons, payload - 40 tons. The flight range at maximum load is 9 km, with the number of passengers 000 people and with a full fuel supply - 269 km. Passenger capacity in the cabin of three classes - 13 people, in a two-class layout - 500, in the economy class - 235 people.

[weksha50]

Quote: Sith Lord

IL-96-300 is mass-produced at the VASO plant in Voronezh. The only passenger aircraft in the series in operation.

That's what, and not Watermelons and other behabs need to fill our civilian fleet ...

[Andrey77]

Nafig is not necessary. We have big problems with short-range aviation. Which need to be covered with at least something, albeit cheap airplanes.

[aba]

We have big problems with short-range aviation.

I agree with you, but there is one "but"! Russian distances and long-distance flights are very expensive. Leasing of foreign aircraft contributes to the high cost, and then there is the crisis, the fall of the ruble ...
Under certain conditions, the principle “what we cannot do - we will buy” does not work.

[g1v2]

None of these are in Russian airlines and will not be until they upgrade it. For commercial flights, it is much more expensive than competitors. Therefore, it is ordered only for public services. Now there is a plan for its modernization with a decrease in the third pilot and greater efficiency, but this is only to plug a hole before the development of a joint Russian-Chinese long-range aircraft, an agreement on which has only recently been signed. Something like that.

[Alex_Tug]

ordered only for public services

Here the domesticity of the aircraft is more important

Now there is a plan for its modernization with a decrease in the third pilot and greater efficiency

If the glider is good (???), then you can probably upgrade for GA - install Canadian engines (more economical) and shovel all avionics to the modern level (2 pilots). If it passes at a price, it can supplant the Boeing 747 in the domestic market.

[fif21]

Quote: Alex_Tug

Here the domesticity of the aircraft is more important

I agree! Our handsome. He is on trial.

[siberalt]

It is enviable for our president. People no longer fly on such. Oh, if only our governors would have such a hangar! And so, some kind of inequality.

[Alex_Tug]

People no longer fly on such. Oh, if only our governors would have such a hangar!

- The people no longer fly on such. What is it like? Russia Airlines operates civilian flights.
- to our governors in such a way in their hangar. Interesting, and what for? Fly to Moscow with your government? There will be interesting news - Governor’s board number 1 flew to Moscow. Won Merkel and Hollande fly on business jets and do not complain. Squadron Russia also bought a Falcon for the president. Do not fly the same president to the country on the IL-96.

[Roman 25]

And what relation does the a / c "Russia" have to the SLO "Russia"? Learn materiel
Our a / c have only canned. Unfortunately, long-haul watermelons and broilers are more economical and their service is cheaper and faster (think how long the IL-96 will stand if something serious flies ...).
As soon as there is a more economical engine and VASO resolves the issue of spare parts (primarily the timing of their delivery), our a / c will transfer from Arbuzov and Broilers (purchased near Davis Monten Air Force Base in Tucson) in favor of ILs, at least when transporting on the territory of the Russian Federation.

[evge-malyshev]

I did not understand the irony. Governors can use regular flights and do without a VIP lounge.

[Alex_Tug]

I did not understand the irony. Governors can use regular flights and do without a VIP lounge.

They can walk on foot, they can also ride bicycles like the presidents of Belgium, the Netherlands, etc. The president of Finland is sitting at the helm himself. And the indignation in social networks? Fly plaque The flight was delayed for 3 hours, waiting for the governor. Well, things delayed him, and the next flight only tomorrow. Russia is not the size of the Netherlands, if the governor of Sakhalin needs to be in Moscow today, then delay a regular flight for 5-6-7 hours? IMHO should be at the governors of the transport class business jet.

Did not understand the irony

The irony ... the jet should be Falcon class 8-20 even with a bed (the governor of Sakhalin will sleep in flight), and not IL-96. The price of the issue is scanty, there are so many of these jets in Gazpromavia, already Shuvalov hires for his dogs.

[Alex_Tug]

I did not understand the irony. Governors can use regular flights and do without a VIP lounge.

A little more on the topic. The Sakhalin governor is flying in an economy class somewhere on a regular flight. As you know, Sakhalin is a seismic area. 3 hours after the departure, it shook and the city (conditionally) half crumbled. Now deploy a regular flight and urgently return?

[Alex_Tug]

By your logic, he will not know. learns from reporters who will meet at the airport.

[DmitryK]

Boyars ... to everyone ....

[Pavel1]

Russian? and what else could be?
This is a question for him. What is the production of IL96, as well as engines?
options
Chinese
-Ukrainian
Uzbek
-Russian
the correct answer gives points to aikyu in the profile of the smartest top-school students.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Why not produce a more modern version of the IL-96-400?

[Thomas 1989]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Why not produce a more modern version of the IL-96-400?

If money is in America, women and children are in the same place, in your opinion, which planes should be used?

[fif21]

Quote: Thomas 1989

If money is in America, women and children are in the same place, in your opinion, which planes should be used?

In this case, such

[DmitryK]

For what purpose? Do you live on the moon? I am in Perm, I have SIX children. The Tridents will fly at us. Are you spoiling?

[Vadim237]

Because besides the government, no one orders them.

[vodolaz]

That's right, one must not depend on anyone in such areas.

[Garris199]

Maybe with the new engines (PD-14) the plane will come to life in civilian life? Can I put them there interestingly?

[Приговор]

If we want to be a truly independent country, then such aircraft should fly in our sky, and not those that are now.

[seti]

Quote: Sentence

If we want to be a truly independent country, then such aircraft should fly in our sky, and not what it is now.

I hope that through 10-15, the main civil aviation fleet in the Russian Federation will be from Superjets and MS-21 with the priority of the latter over the years. It is clear that it will take a lot of time / money, but you need to strive for this and continue to improve engines such as PD-14 and also create new ones. Attract young professionals, including from abroad. Those who we really need. You also need to push your planes around the world and increase the number of cars produced at times without sacrificing build quality. Create service centers around the world. Then success will await us.

[Andrey77]

It is advisable for young specialists to pay. And take out electronics from China. There are big problems with the second one.

[DmitryK]

It is advisable for young specialists to pay. And take out electronics from China. There are big problems with the second one.
oooh !!!! This is not a problem at all, nobody does it at all, good mood, as they say ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: seti

I hope that in 10-15 years the main fleet of civil aviation in the Russian Federation will be from Superjets and MS-21 with the priority of the latter

We have not only the design bureaus of Ilyushin and Sukhov, but also Tupolev ... for example, TU-324, or TU-330 ... here the issue of the development of civil aviation by the forces of all our design bureaus, which under the Union did this, but without the help of the state and The legislative base, coupled with demand, will continue to plow our skies Airbases and Boeing.

[basalt16]

They spent 8 billion dollars on the superjet. And where does it fly? Under Stalin, the swindler Poghosyan would have been sitting on a bunk. More precisely, he would have worked in a design "sharazh" for the good of the Motherland, and not "walked in chocolate"

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: bazalt16

They spent 8 billion dollars on the superjet. And where does it fly? Under Stalin, the swindler Poghosyan would have been sitting on a bunk. More precisely, he would have worked in a design "sharazh" for the good of the Motherland, and not "walked in chocolate"

108 boards of the Superjet 100 are already flying somewhere.

[Alex_Tug]

108 boards of the Superjet 100 are already flying somewhere.

And the only one in Russia (USSR) certified in the JAC.
And without certification, even Mexico would not have bought. There is no need to talk about Europe.

[Thomas 1989]

the superjet is very arbitrary Russian plane, most of the components are foreign-made, BUT the coolest thing is that they pay for superjets and leasing in dollars, and tickets in rubles ...

[Andrey77]

In the next 40 years, this is impossible.

[Kudrevkn]

"Yuri Venediktovich, when will you start thinking about the people?" All about myself and about myself: "In the morning I smear a sandwich - I think:" And how are the people? And caviar does not go down the throat, and compote does not pour into my mouth ?! Here! " Everything for the tsar - priests, and let the people fly on old Boeing and airbuses - "and so it will come down"?

[Lord of the Sith]

Quote: KudrevKN

"Yuri Venediktovich, when will you start thinking about the people?" All about myself and about myself: "In the morning I smear a sandwich - I think:" And how are the people? And caviar does not go down the throat, and compote does not pour into my mouth ?! Here! " Everything for the tsar - priests, and let the people fly on old Boeing and airbuses - "and so it will come down"?

Flight squad "Russia".
IL-96-300 5 units. RA-96014, RA-96017, RA-96018, RA-96019, RA-96022
IL-96-300PU 4 units RA-96012, RA-96016, RA-96020, RA-96021

The remaining 20 units for the people.

[Kudrevkn]

A good alignment - one third for yourself, loved ones and two thirds for the people? Only for what "people", please specify? By the way, do the dogs of "Count Shuvalov" fly to exhibitions by any chance on government aircraft?

[Alex_Tug]

A good alignment - one third for yourself, loved ones and two thirds for the people? Only for what "people", please specify? By the way, do the dogs of "Count Shuvalov" fly to exhibitions by any chance on government aircraft?

- one third for yourself

Bile is inappropriate. Any visit of the president beyond the hill is the board of the president, the board with security, the board with journalists, the board with a limousine. Total 4 pieces.

- dogs of "Count Shuvalov"

Dogs fly on a business jet. Jet rental is paid by Shuvalov and not you and me. I see no reason to be indignant.

[Thomas 1989]

Quote: Alex_Tug

A good alignment - one third for yourself, loved ones and two thirds for the people? Only for what "people", please specify? By the way, do the dogs of "Count Shuvalov" fly to exhibitions by any chance on government aircraft?

Jet rental is paid by Shuvalov and not you and me. I see no reason to be indignant.

Well, what to be indignant, they dumped your cattle 8 pieces salary? Is there enough for the communal? Sit and not buzz.

[Alex_Tug]

Well, what to be indignant, they dumped your cattle 8 pieces salary? Is there enough for the communal?

The question is off topic.
If claims to the income of Shuvalov, then this is a question for the government and the State Duma. Why do not introduce a progressive tax.

[Kudrevkn]

Subservience to you (and not to you) suits you - everything suits the scoundrel! Especially consider your people "wordless cattle and plebeians" - you are a natural adjoining !!!! ?????

[16112014nk]

Quote: Alex_Tug

. Jet rental paid by Shuvalov

Shuvalov spent 40 million rubles on the flight of dogs and bought 10 apartments for 600 million rubles with a yearly income of 97 million. There is no reason for indignation? However, you are an altruist!

[Alex_Tug]

Shuvalov spent 40 million rubles on the flight of dogs and bought 10 apartments for 600 million rubles with a yearly income of 97 million.

Cards in hand, I declare to SKR, I declare to the Federal Tax Service. I do not have an accountant with him.

[aba]

The remaining 20 units for the people.

By the way, one of the visits to the Red Sea flew just 96.

[Kudrevkn]

For the good I envy you! But more and more "veterans" of "Boeing 737" come across to me with inscriptions in English and Spanish glued on top - apparently they flew a lot in Latin America to our sky or in Africa? And you know, these "old men" will hold together so terribly in flight that some passengers (people) even lose their nerves - they lose, drink vodka, brawl! A couple of times you had to bring some "inadequate citizens" to a "common denominator"? Would you like to fly in comfortable conditions "with a breeze", like people like you? Thanks for your comment!

[DmitryK]

On what basis did they lead to a common foundation? God level? There is a senior steward and ship commander.

[fif21]

Quote: Sith Lord

Flight squad "Russia".

You do not have complete information! And thank God

[iouris]

It is not the "people" who fly, but the "qualified consumers". They are the "electorate".
Flights on "domestic" planes will cost such a pretty penny that "Mom, don't worry."

[Alex_Tug]

The new aircraft has significant innovations - an improved system of protection against external threats, a flight and navigation system that ensures compliance with all airworthiness requirements, including international ones.

How many people are currently in the carriage?

[Lord of the Sith]

Quote: Alex_Tug

How many people are currently in the carriage?

3 persons!

[Andrey77]

The special squad can be replenished, only how many in the special squad of boards? And how much it cost them to release a single LCD display ...

[mvnmln]

The transfer of the liner to the presidential squadron is another evidence of the high level of development of our aircraft industry. Board No. 1 also performs the functions of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief (capable of being continuously in the air for up to 14 hours). Thanks to the IL-96 project, we are among the three creators of wide-body long-range aircraft.

[Andrey77]

Well, 2 (two!) Aircraft themselves made. Well done. The cost of the sides is not disclosed? Preferably in man-hours.

[Knight Rider]

Quote: Andrey77

Well, 2 (two!) Aircraft themselves made. Well done. The cost of the sides is not disclosed? Preferably in man-hours.

The RA-96022 aircraft in a special configuration "Salon" with a capacity of 160 passengers was built for the SLO "Russia" of the Administrative Department of the President of the Russian Federation under a contract with the UAC dated April 25, 2013. The board made its first flight in Voronezh on November 23, 2015 and became the first Il-96 aircraft completed in 2013 (when the SLO was handed over to the Il-96-300-PU (M1) board with registration number RA-96021), and 28 -m built IL-96 type flight aircraft as a whole.

The specified contract provided for the delivery of SLO "Russia" of two IL-96 aircraft of a new construction - one in the version of the control center for the modification of IL-96-300-PU (M1) worth 5,2 billion rubles, and one IL-96-300 Salon worth 3,75 billion rubles (delivered July 22). The IL-96-300-PU (M1) aircraft with registration number RA-96023 under this contract for the SLO Rossiya remains under construction.

[iouris]

Quote: mvnmln

one more evidence of the high level of development of our aviation industry

The production of passenger airplanes, as well as of "Cortege" cars, in general, of something in single copies, is rather a handicraft production. At best, it is the production of masterpieces. Indicates the extremely low level of economic development of the Russian Federation. The price of such masterpieces and operating costs do not have an upper bar.

[iliitchitch]

ILs have a reputation for wowing themselves wow in the sense of accident rate - highly reliable machines. And all long-range. One old man of the 62nd is worth. Moscow-Havana without a jump with a full load, Fidel just trudged when he looked at the landing.
-How many burns do we have?
-Yes, to Antarctica and back.
-Turn the shafts, go home.
According to rumors, such a dialogue between Primakov and the commander of board number 2 took place over the Atlantic when approaching the United States. We flew on the 96th, most likely. Primakov was informed that the bombing of the mattresses had begun in Yugoslavia. From there, the "legs" of our today's politics grow, but would there not be enough burning? You would have to sit there, and sit-wrap-endure while the "partners" dump bags of shit on you. That is, in fact, Ilyushin took part in the reconstruction of the world even after his death.
I can't resist, I'll post a photo - the cars are good, the two-wheeled support "carts"! The 154 has three, although it is 60 tons lighter.

[avg-mgn]

First, if you believe the article, 100% ours, only welcome and necessary. Second, ask the residents of Sakhalin and Kamchatka - what kind of planes they would like to fly to the mainland with Boeings or ILs, they will answer you - because it’s cheaper! And you don’t have to bend your fingers, the scheme is demand, supply only works in conjunction with the concept of PRICE. But there wouldn’t be a price for 62 if efficiency and gazuhu (environmental friendliness) were brought in due time.

[avg-mgn]

Quote: Alex_Tug

I see no reason to be indignant.

Do not be offended by the wretched, they do not create and collect Boeings, they did not even leave fingerprints on their board, and bile to spit about and without a topic is their task. Read the same article in the scrap ... But the language in the perineum, easy!

[evge-malyshev]

Interestingly, while TCAS || domestic too?

[Alex_Tug]

TCAS || domestic too?

If to consider as a separate device, then from Honevell. (16 channels). If we consider the system as a system, then on the Falcons TKAS is already integrated into the system. In the latest version of the software, it supports 42 channels.

[Cook]

And you may ask: in TCAS 42 channels - what is it all about?

[Alex_Tug]

Here are such devices TKAS1 (8 channels) and TKAS2 (16 channels).
Number of channels - the number of planes around the yellow plane (this is the one you are flying on) can be tracked.
The numbers -10 or +10 say how they fly relative to you, higher by 10 echelons or lower. Diamonds and circles are also information, I will not describe now. Now in modern avionics (not Russian, there is no Russian EPIC) the devices themselves are not separate, everything is already included in the cockpit software and now this picture is no longer on a separate device, but simply as part of the picture of common screens (I probably saw pictures of cabs with 4 , 6 displays). In the latest version of the software that I am familiar with, there is already an array (in Unit type C) of 42 elements. Those. TCAS tracks 42 aircraft.

[Alex_Tug]

Sorry, not Unit. Something like

airplane_info
{
float speed
int altitude;
...
}

[Cook]

What nonsense is it, that is, on the 10th channel TCAS I will not see the eleventh plane?

[Alex_Tug]

What nonsense is it, that is, on the 10th channel TCAS I will not see the eleventh plane?

As a 10-channel device does not exist, as a software was on a 32-channel (before version 42). As a fact, no one is looking at this screen, the system works without a pilot. In critical cases, issues a command to raise the level or decrease. The TKAS requirement is more important than the dispatcher teams in the sky of Europe and the states too.

Failure to comply with the requirements of the TKAS led to a collision between the Bashkir Tu-154 and the postal DS-10 over Lake Baden. The Bashkir crew on the command of the dispatcher began to rise, and the TKAS demanded to decline. And DS-10 complied with the requirement of TKAS.

[Alex_Tug]

I will try to show you how TCAS is integrated into the system. This is PFD (primary flight display). Usually the leftmost one in the cockpit. In the lower right corner I highlighted the menu and select the "Traffic" item. What will open will be in the next picture.

[Alex_Tug]

The window of TKAS opened. It is empty (too lazy to fill in the data, in real life they get into the system from repeaters that transmit transponders of other aircraft). The picture should be similar as on the hardware TCAS. This is also a question of why they fly with transponders turned off.

[Sergey333]

Bzd * hell, I do not believe! There are hundreds of thousands of all kinds of parts and accessories, among them there are certainly imported ones. The most striking example - a heat-conducting gasket for powerful radioelements - is not produced in Russia, only Belarus! And without it, almost no electronic device can be made. And there are hundreds of such examples.

[Alex_Tug]

only Belarus!

The chassis for the Topol is also Belarusian.

[samoletil18]

At the moment, the main thing is technology. By fuselage, by wing, by avionics, etc. Oil will not go up in price, not us, but our children on domestic planes will travel on vacation trips.
Although, if smart people are allowed into the government, then even with expensive oil everything will be so, for security and for the employment of the people. Again - I bought the Russian board, a 100 km option with kerosene at cost for the long-haul, and so on. Production would be, and this member somehow. Someone felled waiting.

[Alex_Tug]

Production would be, and this member somehow.

Factories need to be built, they are already missing.

[Prince of Pensions]

I think or does he have three main landing gear?

[Alex_Tug]

I think or does he have three main landing gear?

In the photo, yes, I did not see him alive. You can of course google the pictures.

[Alex_Tug]

I think or does he have three main landing gear?

Exactly three.

[marshes]

Goldfinch was 86 in the early 80s from Almaty to Moscow flew, Domodedovo.
I was struck by a two-story building and took off and landing. It is a pity that there are almost none. One fought and the crew was sober, and it was empty.
Now 96, over four reliability dvigla, albeit low-powered, for that there is confidence. It is not on Broller 737 with two, tremble with fear.
father flew the IL-20, says 4 engines reliably, well, in his case, the "sticks" rotate. Over the Pamir I saw ice flying off them.
I respect the Ilyushins, 18-62-86, but 96 did not fly.

[Cook]

For a long time, in civil aviation, no one considers a four-engine aircraft more reliable than a twin-engine one. You yourself can figure out where the probability of failure is greater, for example, for units mounted on engines, if on a four-engine plane they are twice as many than on a twin-engine one. You can verify this by paying attention to the appearance of modern mass-produced long-haul aircraft. With the exception of mastodons such as a380 or b747-8, the vast majority of them have a low-wing circuit with two engines mounted on pylons. Reliability is achieved here due to the fact that engines for twin-engine aircraft have a significant margin of thrust in case of failure of one take-off, to ensure the required gradient of climb. That is, excess thrust is used only in emergency cases, and in normal operation, takeoff usually occurs in a reduced mode, and the decrease is quite impressive. Hence, great resources, and savings and reliability. For example, engines for 747 (RB-211; CF-6; PW-4000) have a thrust of the order of 22-24 tons, and for 777, say, the last GE specimens exceeded 40 tons. Starting from the middle of the eighties, that is, since the adoption of the ETOPS program, all the latest technologies in the field of aircraft and engine manufacturing were mainly used to increase the reliability of twin-engine aircraft. When an acceptable level of safety was achieved, due to the lower cost of operation, twin-engine aircraft began to slowly supplant multi-engine aircraft. A plane for the president, especially -300PU, is naturally not a civilian side for transporting passengers, and here four engines are more likely a necessity, because for example in case of war attacks on him are not excluded, and he must have the ability to survive in the air.

[marshes]

Quote: Cook

For a long time, in civil aviation, no one considers a four-engine aircraft more reliable than a twin-engine one. You yourself can figure out where the probability of failure is greater, for example, for units mounted on engines, if on a four-engine plane they are twice as many than on a twin-engine

It could simply be short that the reliability of two propulsion aircraft has increased.
last time, through Antlantic, on the 747 broiler, it flew back and forth at 08, Even the tickets chose what Jumbo Jet was. There Britains back to KLM.
Father says the 4-engine scheme is reliable, although during his service he didn’t have to sit down with the failure of one dvig, but it was such that they didn’t pee on the front rack, one PIC nickname, pravak, could not take off from 3.5 km and the front landing gear was buried in the ground. there is just a flight from one airfield to another, 45 km. I got out onto the grid, which the Su 15 and MIG-25 caught.

[marshes]

It was remembered that before the departure, at least daytime for 2 hours, my father often took me and the whole crew of children was dragged , on the front landing gear it is necessary to urinate. Although there was a toilet. They "drove" civilians for service. Well, there is a sign of the type.
With "impressionable" passengers, this can be done. Who has a rich imagination and can imagine.

[Koshak]

Quote: marshes

on the front landing gear you need to urinate. Although there was a toilet.

For 28 years of service in aviation, I have never seen or heard that someone urinated on the front or main stance. Yes, a senior technician would kill for that. All natural necessities went behind the tail. On the front wheel we tapped the fifth point of a member of the flight crew who made the first independent flight.

[marshes]

Quote: Koshak

For 28 years of service in aviation, I have never seen or heard that someone urinated on the front or main stance. Yes, a senior technician would kill for that.

What did you fly on?

Quote: Koshak

On the front wheel we tapped the fifth point of a member of the flight crew who made the first independent flight.

This I saw, though the leftist and then flying on other types of aircraft.

[Koshak]

Quote: marshes

What did you fly on?

Tu-95RC

[marshes]

Quote: Koshak

Tu-95RC

And that the front desk is not pissed or are you an operator.?
godfather on IL-20. Yes, I spent all my summer time on the airfields, if I hadn’t found any adventures, I could have entered Kharkiv VVAUL or Chelyabinsk navigators, but the Dream was disbanded Baloshovka. Health for aviation was not enough for the other abundantly.

[Koshak]

Quote: marshes

And that the front desk is not pissed or are you an operator.?

And what does the specialty have to do with it? None of the crew, starting with the navigator and ending with the KOU, didn’t even have a thought to approach and disarm the plane. We treated our technology with respect.

[Phosgene]

Voronezh aircraft factory in very poor condition. In dire need of a complete change of leadership and modernization of production.

[iouris]

And no one promised that everything would be fine. On the contrary.

[vetlan19]

Quote: Thomas 1989

Thomas 1989 Today, 17:16 ↑
. Especially with the falcons - Manturov and Slyusarenko "" "))) Let's add Rogozin here, he is already in 2010, that is, in 2012 or 2014, well, certainly in 2017, to the edge in 2020

Do not talk about Rogozin, a hidden traitor and saboteur.
You, Thomas, are not in vain gray epaulets. You are also a loser, like Rogozin. You minus

1. Why Putin smeared the patriot Rogozin? Says Valery Pyakin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhN1BmXJ-zw

2. The true meaning of the Superjet 100 aircraft. Valery Pyakin tells.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fISa1IPBKQ

[fa2998]

Quote: weksha50

That's what, and not Watermelons and other behabs need to fill our civilian fleet ...

And how? At the expense of the state to buy and distribute to airlines? Somehow this is not a market. Let everyone buy a Lada at the expense of the budget - and we will support our auto industry! Surely the price of foreign samples and the quality suits air carriers. Both leasing and cost operation and maintenance. And how much kerosene does it consume? The aircraft of the Il-86-Il-96 family are unique. Even under socialism and a planned economy, they saw enough of the Boeing-747 and decided to make a Soviet Boeing. And when the market is on, it loses. top officials and all sorts of "special flights".
Powerful, reliable and economical engines have appeared. And twin-engine airplanes confidently fly over the oceans. MAKE A NORMAL AIRCRAFT, I think we have reserves in value - our workers and engineers do not get so much on Airbus and Boeing. Special acquisition programs. They'll be torn off with their hands! We need to turn this page and go further. We had a Tu-144, this is a victory for the Soviet aviation school, but this is history. I think, the plane did not "go", do something else.

[Awaz]

to produce domestic aircraft for any need. It is also necessary to encourage airlines to buy them. How is this another matter, but aircraft must be produced.
Of course, I was a bit late for the discussion, but I want to say a few words. During the discussion, they simply distracted and generally did not speak out.
Thinly poor, but Russia has experience in the production of aircraft, and it is believed that gliders in Russia are generally able to do, if not better than everyone, then did better in due time.
Aircraft is the development of other industries as well. Yes, now Il may not be the best aircraft, there may be shortcomings and problems with maintenance and something else, but it can actually be cheaper than Boeing and simpler, although not so economical so far.
I just recently refined the kitchen. and noticed an interesting topic. In general, I have gas in my house and when I installed the headset, it’s clear that I put the gas hob, but in the process I changed my mind about putting the gas oven in. Firstly, it is more expensive, but sellers immediately say that gas is several times cheaper and everything will pay off. I decided to check. As a result, the cost of a good electric stove for anyone is half that of a gas stove, but it generally consumes electricity, but as it turned out, no more than 100, but mostly no more than 50 rubles a month. 15 years at least will be beneficial compared to gas. Yes, and more reliable and does not require special maintenance and nit-picking of gas structures.
The development of our own aircraft is thousands and tens of thousands of workers. With good work and smart management and competent advertising work, you can sell to someone abroad, slowly accustoming the people ... and what the hell is not joking.
but for this it is necessary that they respect and do not prohibit lawlessness. We must be able to defend ourselves and attack so we would be afraid to twitch. The USSR also had problems with recognizing aircraft by Western standards, something they didn’t do, but the designers managed to completely stop all nit-picking.