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The roots of the Ukrainian government

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The roots of the Ukrainian government



Today, everyone already knows that Russians in Ukraine are portrayed as "cruel Asians" and "occupiers", from whom they have to leave for the EU. Ukrainian historians rewrite historywhere the Ukrainians were supposedly independent of the "hated Moskaley." Normal historians easily refute these works, but where did it come from? Who created the modern Bandera? For this you need to go back a century ago.

By the beginning of World War I, all countries were intensely searching for each other’s weaknesses. This did not go around the Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires. Most of Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire, but part of Western Ukraine, as well as Bukovina, Transcarpathia was under the control of Austria-Hungary. In the Russian Empire, on the territory of Ukraine, a significant share of the imperial economic potential was concentrated. In Ukraine, there were large reserves of coal, fertile land, industry was highly developed, and if the Russian Empire had lost Ukraine, it would have become a secondary power. This is how Bernhard von Bülow, the chancellor of the German Empire, spoke on this subject in 1906: "Russia can be reduced to the level of a secondary power only if it is socially decomposed or if Ukraine is lost." These words are appreciated in Vienna, and began to develop projects to seize Ukraine.

But it was not easy to take Ukraine away from Russia, since any measures to raise the population of Ukraine to revolt against the Russian Empire were immediately stopped by the secret police. As a result, a longer but more successful (as history has shown, it was really successful) plan was developed in Austria-Hungary. It was supposed to create an idea of ​​Ukraine’s independence from Russia, and through propaganda to form a puppet state that would always harm the interests of the Russians. For this purpose it was supposed to make an image of the enemy out of the Russian Empire

From words to action. In the territory of Western Ukraine controlled by Austro-Hungary, Ukrainian schools were created, in which, from an early age, they taught in the spirit of nationalism. Newspapers and magazines were published, which promoted independence from Russia. And the propaganda was not only internal, but also external. For example, in Paris, Ukraine Today magazine was published, which received funding for Austro-Hungarian intelligence. But closer to the beginning of the First World War, the idea of ​​a puppet Ukrainian kingdom headed by a hetman was created. According to Russian intelligence, in 1910, a meeting of the Austrian crown prince Franz Ferdinand (whose murder unleashed the First World War) and the leaders of the Ukrainian nationalists took place in Konopiste Castle. And in 1912, the creation of its own armed forces has already begun.

With the beginning of the First World War, the territories under control of Ukrainian nationalists began to harass the Russian population: it was forbidden to speak Russian, Russian schools and libraries were closed, as well as Orthodox churches. And in the last years of the war a significant part of Ukraine was under the control of the German troops. It was then that the idea of ​​the independence of Ukraine was finally formed. True, nothing happened then, but the Ukrainian radicals remained, and Hitler used their ideas, and today they use the USA. And thanks to these ideas, Ukraine separated from the USSR in 1991, and on the basis of these ideas, Ukrainian Nazis live today.

As a result, the idea of ​​an independent Ukraine is not Ukrainian, and it was not the Ukrainians who invented it, but Austrian princes and a handful of traitors. That is why Ukraine has not become a successful state.
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  1. seti
    seti 20 July 2016 13: 06
    +19
    It is clear to any educated person that "Ukrainian" is one of the branches of the Russian people. It's like a drug addict in a family who left her and who needs to be cured and then only taken back to the family.
    1. seti
      seti 20 July 2016 13: 11
      +28
      "Little Russia" and "Belarusian" - the decoding in the names of nationalities. As the "Novorossians" appeared later, Novorossia (New Russia) - people who arrived or transported to the Black Sea region to develop wild lands. So it's just silly to call these people "Ukrainians". Ukraine came from the word Outskirts and there is nothing humiliating about it. This refers to the Outskirts of Russia.
      1. cniza
        cniza 20 July 2016 13: 37
        +9
        I believe that the time will come and the Russian people will reunite again.
        1. Pitot
          Pitot 20 July 2016 13: 45
          +1
          Time and Russians (including our small nationalities) are an interesting mix. But to the point - Time and the Russians - are inseparable ......
          1. captain
            captain 20 July 2016 14: 25
            0
            If I understood correctly from the article, then the Bolshevik guys implemented the plan of the Austrian Crown Prince Franz Ferdinand (the murder of which unleashed the First World War) into life.
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 20 July 2016 18: 03
              +7
              The article may not be completely delusional, but frankly superficial, and most of it is not true. It seems that the student wrote. I will give only one example
              Most of Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire, but part of Western Ukraine, as well as Bukovyna, Transcarpathia were controlled by Austria-Hungary.
              What is the most? Transcarpathia, Bukovina and Galicia, that is, everything that was under Austria-Hungary and partially Poland, this is Ukraine. It was invented there in the second half of the 19th century, it was planted there, it took root there, and from there, at the suggestion of the Bolsheviks, the name spread throughout Little Russia.
              As a result, the idea of ​​an independent Ukraine is not Ukrainian, and not Ukrainians came up with it
              Nothing is clear here at all, some kind of taftology. It is enough that the Ukrainians have been hammered into their heads, that they are Ukrainians, that they are "special." The idea of ​​an independent Ukrainian state is supported by the West, only in the context of independence from Russia. Under Austrians, Poles, Germans, any mention of their state by Ukrainians was immediately punished either by prison or by a gallows. Masters and creators, with their slaves, did not trick. And now, these genetic slaves, with might and main, want to be white blacks in Europe, with the help of their current masters, infecting the rest of the present so-called Ukraine with Ukrainians
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 20 July 2016 18: 51
                +2
                captain
                If I understood correctly from the article, then the Bolshevik guys implemented the plan of the Austrian Crown Prince Franz Ferdinand (the murder of which unleashed the First World War) into life.
                Actually, WWI was unleashed by Great Britain, the USA and the Rothschilds. They did not need a strong Russia. They grew up Germany for the war with Russia. To do this, Germany had to absorb Austria-Hungary. This could only be done in a “democratic” way through the abolition of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy, reassigning the country of Germany and strengthening Germany. Bismarck was well aware of these plans through his acquaintance with the Rothschilds, who had personally invested a lot of effort in the development of Germany. Namely, bearing in mind the true geopolitical plans of Great Britain and the Rothschilds to push Germany into a war with Russia to defeat and weaken him, he warned the Germans that Germany would never fight with Russia.
                With regard to Russia, the plan of the Anglo-Saxons and Rothschilds was as follows: 1) the destruction of Russian statehood in the form of the destruction of the Russian monarchy, the creation of chaos in the country due to the destruction of all attributes of state power (army and navy, police and judicial system, etc.) and unleashing civil war, 2) the dismemberment of Russia into colonial zones of influence and the pumping of its natural resources to the West from the country. And at the same time, at the same time the destruction of the German and Austro-Hungarian monarchies, so that in the future they would not hang out under their feet, by the so-called "World proletarian revolution" and the weakening of these states. According to the “new world order” of the Anglo-Saxons according to the revolutionary democratic scheme, Europe should be weak and obey the Anglo-Saxons and the Rothschilds, who merged with England and the United States.
                At the same time, Austria-Hungary was also a colonizer, but it was a colonizer of SUSHI civilization in SUSHA. And Great Britain and the USA were colonizers of the civilization of the SEA on the LAND.
            2. python2a
              python2a 20 July 2016 18: 30
              0
              For clarification - the liquid Bolsheviks.
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              1. tatra
                tatra 20 July 2016 18: 50
                +3
                Churchill, in his memoirs, wrote about Great Britain's aid to Deninkin's troops, writes: "It would be a mistake to think that throughout this year we fought on the fronts for the cause of the Russians hostile to the Bolsheviks. On the contrary, the Russian White Guards fought for our cause."
                From the "Book of Memoirs" by Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich:
                “Apparently, the 'Allies' are going to turn Russia into a British colony,” Trotsky wrote in one of his proclamations to the Red Army. And was he not right this time? inflict a fatal blow on Russia by distributing the most flourishing Russian regions to the allies and their vassals.
                The executors of European destinies, apparently, admired their own ingenuity: they hoped with one blow to kill the Bolsheviks and the possibility of the revival of a strong Russia.
                The position of the leaders of the white movement became impossible. On the one hand, pretending that they did not notice the intrigues of the allies, they called on their barefoot volunteers to a sacred struggle against the Soviets, on the other hand, none other than the internationalist Lenin stood guard over Russian national interests. "
          2. Tatyana
            Tatyana 20 July 2016 14: 45
            +7
            Great article! Thanks to the author!
            However, the enemies of Ukraine should also include the personal internal enemies of Russia of an earlier and later period. For example, Mazepu and Kravchuk. Personal motivations are similar.
            Mazepa (1639-1709 gg.) - State and political figure of the Commonwealth, the troops of Zaporizhzhya and the Russian Kingdom, a participant in the Northern War. After the defeat of Charles XII near Poltava (1709), he fled to the Ottoman Empire and died in the city of Bender
            Mazepa was then the hetman of the outskirts of Russia (Ukraine) and the closest ally of Peter I, one of the main nobles of the country and actually reached the peak of his career. From Charles XII, he could only receive recognition of the "independence" of Ukraine and huge financial injections for the treason of Russia. Mazepa wanted to personally join the establishment of the powers of Western Europe.
            The Northern War between Sweden and Russia was nauskin by the British and was conducted in the interests of Great Britain against Russia. British diplomatic geopolitics did a good job against the king of Sweden personally over his militant ambitions and against Russia over the old and great noble aspirations of the Mazepa Pole.
            It is noteworthy that in 1991, Kravchuk was driven by the same personal motives as Mazepa — they both wanted to have their own unlimited personal power in the form of an “independent” state and thereby enter the geopolitical establishment of Western Europe. True, Mazepa did a lot before his betrayal for the development of the Left Bank Hetman, but then it all ended in the ruin of the lands subordinate to him from the war between Russia and the Swedes in this territory. And Kravchuk in 1991 year, on the contrary, for the same personal reasons, let all the rich Soviet legacy of Ukraine to plunder. Now with Ukraine we have what we have. In both cases, it ended in a war on the territory of Ukraine.
            See Starikov Nikolay. Geopolitics. How is this done .- SPb .: Peter, 2016. -368 sec - S. 48.
        2. WKS
          WKS 20 July 2016 15: 07
          +3
          The people of Ukraine suffered not only from the Austro-Hungarian occupation, but also from the centuries-old Polish occupation of the lands of Little Russia, for a long time they were part of Poland, not Lithuania, namely Poland. After reunification with Russia, a terrible political mistake was made, all Polish landowners remained masters of their Little Russian estates, continuing to plant hatred of everything Russian among the Little Russian serfs. The same Russophobe T. Shevchenko, like many others, grew precisely under the influence of such a vile Polish influence.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 20 July 2016 18: 16
            +1
            After reunification with Russia, a terrible political mistake was made, all Polish landowners remained masters of their Little Russian estates, continuing to plant hatred of everything Russian among the Little Russian serfs.
            The slave mentality was brought up by the Polish landowners and oppressors from their slaves (and quite harshly), and they hate the Russians. This logic is upside down, and now it can be seen in everything that is being done in Ukraine. Back in the thirties, signs "for animals and Ukrainians entering through the back door" hung in Warsaw trams. So that there are no questions, I will say right away that I am writing from Ukraine. About five years ago, I had to visit the Czech Republic on business. The Westerners are treated there like pigs, and they were excellent for us, although they also seemed to be from Ukraine, though from the East. Both Czechs and Poles know perfectly well who is who.
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      3. Andrey K
        Andrey K 20 July 2016 13: 38
        +19
        Quote: seti
        Ukraine came from the word Outskirts and there is nothing derogatory in this. It means the outskirts of Russia.

        A colleague, I decided to double-check you and yourself, rummaged on the Internet for used Ukrainian resources ...
        TROUBLE !!! We don’t know much. It turns out:
        The word "Ukraine" means "beloved land" ...
        On the lands of "Ancient Ukraine" there was a great Scythian power, whose outlines on the map coincide with modern Ukraine. Scythians are “ancient Ukrainians” ...
        "Ancient Ukrainians" have lived on the lands of present-day Ukraine since the 4th century ...
        According to one version, “Ukrainians” are descendants of the Polyansky Union of Tribes, while Russians and Belarusians are Krivichi. In another, Ukraine is the center of the Eastern Slavs and Russia in general, and the current Russians are the descendants of the "Asians" (Finno-Ugric and Mongols) ...
        The Black Sea was called the "Ukrainian Sea" ...
        The date of birth of the Ukrainian fleet 610 is the year when the Kiev prince Oleg went on a campaign to Constantinople ...
        I'm hysterical wassat
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 20 July 2016 14: 10
          +6
          Quote: Andrey K
          Date of birth of the Ukrainian fleet 610when the Kiev prince Oleg went on a campaign to Constantinople ...


          Hmm ... And the date of death is March 2014 ??? Or in 2016, due to the fact that there is no opportunity to participate in joint exercises with NATO?
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 20 July 2016 15: 57
            +1
            Andrey K
            A colleague, I decided to double-check you and yourself, rummaged on the Internet for used Ukrainian resources ...
            TROUBLE !!! We don’t know much.
            I'm hysterical wassat

            There is nothing surprising in this! It has always been and always will be. No need to be naive. History conjunctually corresponded more than 1000 times since ancient times to please those in power.
            For example, it is enough to recall at least the recent past with the same Poles.
            1. The bluff about the execution of Polish officers allegedly by the NKVD during WWII could not "reason" the current Polish authorities with objective data from the Russian side.
            2. The same thing with the fall of a Polish plane with a Polish crew near Katyn with Polish President Kaczynski on board. Despite the objective evidence of the accident investigation from the Russian Federation, and even the Poles, Polish Minister of Defense Anthony Matserevich, incidentally involved in the fictitious investigation of the accident from Poland, continues to blame Russia. Etc.
          2. Orionvit
            Orionvit 20 July 2016 18: 25
            +3
            And the date of death - March 2014
            Ukraine cannot have a date of death, because it does not have a date of birth. Dead-born country, Austro-Polish-Romanian miscarriage. Do not confuse Volhynia, Galicia, Bukovina with Verkhovyna and the rest of the rabble, with eastern "Ukraine", that is, with Little Russia.
        2. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 20 July 2016 14: 40
          +3
          Quote: Andrey K
          I'm hysterical
          Add more "You need to know that the word" ka.tsap "has long been known in the languages ​​of many eastern Turkish tribes and means" butcher "," fierce man "," executioner "," despot "," thief ""
          About how! wink I always believed that this is a derivative of the word "yak tsap" - "like a goat" ("God created a tsap, and the devil k.a. tsapa" - Ukrainian. Post.), A playful name for Russians, based on the characteristic beard of most Great Russians in comparison with the Little Russians. And that's what it turns out to be laughing
          Well, to the heap, so as not to get up twice - "crest", it turns out, not from the presence of a sedentary on a shaven head, but comes from the Turkish-Tatar "gök oolu" (son of heaven). The finish. laughing
          1. Michael_Zverev
            Michael_Zverev 25 July 2016 14: 31
            0
            The Turks and Krymchaks called the Moscow archers butchers-kassabs because of their large reeds. The version about "yak tsap" refers to folk etymology, when a borrowed (less often native) word is distorted and reinterpreted according to the model of a native language word close to it in sounding, which differs from it in origin, for example, half garden instead of palisades (fence, palisade, from Latin palus ), spinzhak (from the word back) instead of a jacket, etc.
        3. Altona
          Altona 20 July 2016 14: 57
          +2
          Quote: Andrey K
          Scythians are “ancient Ukrainians” ...

          -----------------
          "Yes, we are Scythians, yes, we are Asians with slanting and greedy eyes."

          Hmm ... Now we will set up diploid chains and linguistic sets here.
        4. seti
          seti 20 July 2016 16: 41
          +2
          Quote: Andrey K
          Quote: seti
          Ukraine came from the word Outskirts and there is nothing derogatory in this. It means the outskirts of Russia.

          A colleague, I decided to double-check you and yourself, rummaged on the Internet for used Ukrainian resources ...
          TROUBLE !!! We don’t know much. It turns out:
          The word "Ukraine" means "beloved land" ...
          On the lands of "Ancient Ukraine" there was a great Scythian power, whose outlines on the map coincide with modern Ukraine. Scythians are “ancient Ukrainians” ...
          "Ancient Ukrainians" have lived on the lands of present-day Ukraine since the 4th century ...
          According to one version, “Ukrainians” are descendants of the Polyansky Union of Tribes, while Russians and Belarusians are Krivichi. In another, Ukraine is the center of the Eastern Slavs and Russia in general, and the current Russians are the descendants of the "Asians" (Finno-Ugric and Mongols) ...
          The Black Sea was called the "Ukrainian Sea" ...
          The date of birth of the Ukrainian fleet 610 is the year when the Kiev prince Oleg went on a campaign to Constantinople ...
          I'm hysterical wassat

          You look through the ukropskie "textbooks" and you read about such drunken nonsense. And the worst thing is that the Pepsi generation willingly believes this. Then it will be very difficult to clear this infection from the heads. A challenge for years.
      4. Turkir
        Turkir 20 July 2016 13: 55
        +6
        Let me correct you.
        The outskirts of Russia, and the Commonwealth.
        Little Russia, Little Russians - this does not mean small or younger Russians.
        Where he was born? - for a foreigner in Russia, and for his in Moscow or Tver, a small homeland.
        So it is for the country. Little Russia is the small homeland of all of Russia.
        But for those who do not know it is better to change the respectful "Little Russian" for the Polish-kholoposky "Okrainets".
        I hope that I did not offend you with this note. And Ruthenians is the right name.
        By the way, only at the very end of the XNUMXth century, the term "Ukraine", the outskirts of Poland, was introduced by Count Pototsky.
        So that he ...
        1. unsinkable
          unsinkable 20 July 2016 16: 33
          0
          [quote = Turkir] Let me correct you. [/ quo Your information is very interesting. [quote = Turkir] I did not offend you. [/ quote]
          Colleague, I think that VO are not children and can distinguish the difference in desire * to stab * the interlocutor or to bring the information you know. Personally, I read with interest. hi
    2. iouris
      iouris 20 July 2016 13: 17
      +4
      Quote: seti
      It is clear to any educated person

      One thing is clear: until the "correct TV" works, nothing will change. But for effective Russian propaganda to change the consciousness of the population, it is necessary that the internal troops take control of the territory.
      1. gray smeet
        gray smeet 20 July 2016 13: 34
        +7
        Quote: iouris
        But for effective Russian propaganda to change the consciousness of the population, it is necessary that internal troops take control of the territory.



        Soon the Olympics (17 days) - that means the war in the Donbass is flowing into the hot phase (although where is it much hotter?). In these battles, everything will be decided. The hysteria in the Western media about Russians is like an erupting volcano and it says a lot! I hope LDNR are ready! Getting ready and we are morally .....
        1. ed1967ward
          ed1967ward 20 July 2016 14: 42
          +2
          I agree! During the Olympics, all the bad things for Russia happened ...
      2. Ribwort
        Ribwort 20 July 2016 14: 05
        +2
        Quote: iouris
        One thing is clear: until the "correct TV" works, nothing will change.

        Do we need to change something there? Believe me, an empty refrigerator changes consciousness no worse than the "right TV". We will wait ...
      3. Lukich
        Lukich 20 July 2016 14: 59
        +8
        Quote: iouris
        But for effective Russian propaganda to change the consciousness of the population,

        won't change ...
    3. Vend
      Vend 20 July 2016 13: 23
      +4
      if the Russian empire lost Ukraine, it would become a secondary power
      Misconception debunked by history. This is the Germans thought so. I would like to remind the author that in the Second World War we lost Ukraine. However, they did not become a secondary power. And now, without Ukraine, we are somehow not pulling into a secondary power. So as they say do not need la-la.
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 20 July 2016 13: 59
        +2
        It is not entirely clear what your meaning "I would like to remind the author that in the Second World War we lost Ukraine."
        The history does not know such a fact.
        Perhaps you wanted to write about the short period after the 1917 year?
        1. Vend
          Vend 20 July 2016 14: 24
          +3
          Quote: Turkir
          It is not entirely clear what your meaning "I would like to remind the author that in the Second World War we lost Ukraine."
          The history does not know such a fact.
          Perhaps you wanted to write about the short period after the 1917 year?

          And what is not clear here? Ukraine was occupied by Nazi troops. All that the author wrote about in the article was lost. However, the USSR, having lost Ukraine, did not surrender to the grace of Germany. And he survived and returned the lost territory to the 1944 year. So this is a historical fact. Russia without Ukraine can flourish. And this is proved by modernity, is also becoming a historical fact.
          1. aleks_29296
            aleks_29296 20 July 2016 20: 36
            +2
            You correctly noticed, Ukraine was occupied, but by no means lost for the USSR. Figures such as Kovpak and his partisan movement are proof of this.
      2. Retvizan
        Retvizan 20 July 2016 21: 59
        0
        On July 22, 1942, after the capture of Sverdlovsk, Voroshilovgrad region, the Germans finally occupied the entire territory of the Ukrainian SSR.
        Well, a national holiday dedicated to the expulsion of the Wehrmacht from the territory of the Ukrainian SSR by the Red Army, which is celebrated in Ukraine annually on October 28 since the East Carpathian operation, which began on September 8 and ended on October 28, 1944, by expelling the last formations of the Nazis from the territory of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Total 2 years and 3 months was lost the territory of Ukraine.
        Only 2 years old! For comparison, Ukraine "lost" almost as much as 1 MB from the Civil.
        In addition, all the significant enterprises of Ukraine were moved east with specialists and millions of Ukrainians joined the army and went east, those that remained partisan (of course you have an info war that only we have Bandera but they are a trifle compared to partisans throughout the territory )
        But the main thing is the number of Ukrainians in the army! The number of natives of the Ukrainian SSR and home front workers who died in the USSR. And dare to tell me that YOU have "lost" Ukraine! You (although what you were - it was THEY - heroic grandfathers and great-grandfathers with our great-grandmothers) lost only its territory for 2 years in a bloody battle - saving millions of Ukrainians on your side + industry (not all, but still) simply by moving them.
        Bismarck did not consider such an option. This is the worst scenario of "losing Ukraine by Russia" for him.
    4. silberwolf88
      silberwolf88 20 July 2016 13: 28
      +9
      Of course it is necessary to treat (although drug addiction is poorly treatable ... almost nothing) ... but why return it? ... why do we need people struggling to prove dislike for us ... there is no more trust ... anyway, inside (such as Kravchuk from young Bandera ...) will be different ... and this will ever manifest itself
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 20 July 2016 14: 16
        0
        Quote: silberwolf88
        . but why return? ... why do we need people struggling to prove dislike for us ... no more trust ...


        Literally today I came across information - true, Ukrainian - that the survey suggests that 52% of the population of central and eastern Ukraine - FOR the war with Russia ...

        True, the analyst makes a reservation: he says that this 52% just got tired of the mess in / in Ukraine ... Well, and, as always, Russia is guilty of the mess ... That's why we have to fight with it ... laughing

        Logic - like a nipple ... killer ... or suicidal ??? winked
    5. dauria
      dauria 20 July 2016 13: 40
      +5
      "Ukrainian" is one of the branches of the Russian people.


      Well yes. That's right .... And yet. "Americans" is one of the branches of the English (German, Spanish, Russian - insert the desired) nationality.

      What's the point? Let this state be 25 years old. Let their "historians" lie recklessly. Legally now there are Ukrainians. And (Oh, surprise) - many do not want to become part of the Russian Federation at all. How did you "treat" them and even more "take them into the family" gathered? Who should I say thank you? To the one who voiced "take sovereignty, how much ...", or to us, who voted for him? Not funny, sad .... Another generation, and they will not become relatives of the Poles. And time goes by ...
    6. Ribwort
      Ribwort 20 July 2016 14: 01
      +5
      Quote: seti
      ... which needs to be cured and then only taken back to the family.

      You thought of it well! We walked, walked around, galloped ... And then back, where they would wash, cure, feed ... And preferably for free, right? Well, really, where does the "addict" get the money?
      Let's look real. There is no "family". The family is the peoples within Russia. And Ukraine is a sovereign state. This is your choice and your responsibility.
      As they say, died - then died ...
      1. seti
        seti 20 July 2016 17: 09
        0
        Quote: Ribwort
        Quote: seti
        ... which needs to be cured and then only taken back to the family.

        You thought of it well! We walked, walked around, galloped ... And then back, where they would wash, cure, feed ... And preferably for free, right? Well, really, where does the "addict" get the money?
        Let's look real. There is no "family". The family is the peoples within Russia. And Ukraine is a sovereign state. This is your choice and your responsibility.
        As they say, died - then died ...

        You do not blame everyone. It was not our choice but a planned action with the participation of the USA, the EU and the Ukrainian elite and not as the population. It participated, but at that time it was its smallest part. Do not forget that on the territory of the Ruins of Russian more than half. And that they cannot change anything and are not able to influence something. That we do not have leaders and that we can only look with hope at Russia and its President. You are far from the problems and threats that surround us. Is it our fault that we were brought here as children by our parents under the USSR to build a bright future? What should we leave families and property to and flee to the Russian Federation? Is there anyone waiting for us there? Are you personally ready to provide me with part of your apartment for accommodation on 2-3 of the year? Yes, judging by your comments, send me away.
        1. Vend
          Vend 20 July 2016 18: 44
          0
          Quote: seti

          You do not blame everyone. It was not our choice but a planned action with the participation of the USA, the EU and the Ukrainian elite and not as the population. It participated, but at that time it was its smallest part. Do not forget that on the territory of the Ruins of Russian more than half. And that they cannot change anything and are not able to influence something. That we do not have leaders and that we can only look with hope at Russia and its President. You are far from the problems and threats that surround us. Is it our fault that we were brought here as children by our parents under the USSR to build a bright future? What should we leave families and property to and flee to the Russian Federation? Is there anyone waiting for us there? Are you personally ready to provide me with part of your apartment for accommodation on 2-3 of the year? Yes, judging by your comments, send me away.

          Sorry to interfere. Not your choice. And where were you when you staged a coup? When did people burn in Odessa? Why didn’t you come out? Why were you silent? And why should someone provide you with an apartment? It was your choice not to interfere. This is your position, provide me an apartment. This is your position, we are not to blame, they brought us here. Want to live in a normal country, make it normal.
    7. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 20 July 2016 14: 37
      0
      It’s like a drug addict in the family who left her and who needs to be cured and then only taken back to the family.

      Unfortunately, in most cases this is not treated.
    8. olegkrava
      olegkrava 20 July 2016 15: 05
      0
      Dear, do you know how much it costs to cure an addict? Let the one who left the family be treated on his own. Dies, maybe bury, or maybe not. The family lives together and does not need renegades.
  2. Abbra
    Abbra 20 July 2016 13: 09
    +5
    2x2 = 4 ... Mikhail is the author, he wrote this with such passion, as if he assumed that everyone had been sleeping at VO for five years and would just read the opening of the century. Everything is correctly written. But the text reminded me of the inscription in front of the door: "Before entering, grasp the doorknob" ... wassat
  3. sever.56
    sever.56 20 July 2016 13: 10
    +24
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/497/kdjj496.jpg

    There was no such state - Ukraine. Just NOT-LO ... !!!
    No matter how Ukrainian pseudo-historians push, such as Bebik, with their crazy theories about Mamai, Genghis Khan, former "Cossacks of the right" and the theory of the Ukrainian roots of the Egyptian pharaohs, Alexander the Great and Napoleon.
    You cannot create a story of what did not exist in nature. There was a southern branch of the Russian people, which, by the will of fate, appeared on the outskirts of Rus-Russia.
    Western Ukraine is a separate issue. There lived people who lived for centuries under Austria-Hungary and Poland, and culture, mentality and customs are fundamentally different from the steel part of the territory called Ukraine ...
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 20 July 2016 14: 33
      +1
      Quote: sever.56
      There was a southern branch of the Russian people, which, by the will of fate, appeared on the outskirts of Rus-Russia.

      I will add, for these reasons, which stopped in development until the beginning of the 20th century
  4. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 20 July 2016 13: 11
    +3
    Who and when created this story about "Ukrainians" is of course interesting ... it is much more important that the information fell on fertile soil ... found a response in the hearts of millions of Ukrainians ... became their flag of defining themselves in hatred of Russians and Russians (and earlier to the USSR and everything Soviet) ...
    The main thing is our current NADIES have long been ready to hate us ... any basis was suitable for them ... they are ready to believe in any stories that help us see enemies in us ... they are long ready for this ...
    Ukrainians have long been (in Soviet times, it was petty everyday nationalism ... stories by breadwinners and poiltsov of all Russia, etc.) are ready to become our enemies ...
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  5. V.ic
    V.ic 20 July 2016 13: 19
    +2
    There is nothing to challenge in this article, and why not, because everything is written correctly and ideologically sustained.
  6. 2224460
    2224460 20 July 2016 13: 20
    +16
    but the Ukrainian radicals survived, and Hitler used their ideas, and today the USA uses it.
  7. Zulu_S
    Zulu_S 20 July 2016 13: 23
    +1
    Interestingly, Gogol is a great Ukrainian writer, or is ours, Russian?
    What about this say in Ukraine Svidomo?
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 20 July 2016 13: 31
      0
      By the way, a very interesting idea ... They are still silent. Hidden. I know that Nikolai Vasilievich is a GREAT SLAVIC WRITER.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 20 July 2016 14: 36
      +4
      Quote: Zulu_S
      Interesting, Gogol is a great Ukrainian writer, or is ours, Russian?
      What about this say in Ukraine Svidomo?


      Well, a brief excerpt on Gogol (not from Svidomo):
      Nikolai Vasilievich Gogol - Russian prose writer, playwright, poet, critic, publicist, recognized as one of the classics of Russian literature.
      ПOrthodox, Russian.
      However, historians claim that in addition to Russian, he also had Polish blood.
      Here are some of his statements:
      - 'My thoughts, my name, my works belong to Russia».
      “If there is only one farm left for the Russians, then Russia will also be reborn.”
      - "... There is no word that would be so swinging, smart, so burst out from under the heart, it would be seething and vibrant, like a well-spoken Russian word."
      - “You marvel at the jewels of our language: every sound is a gift: everything is grainy, large, like the pearl itself, and, really, another name for the thing itself is even more precious”.

      Well, it seems that Gogol himself, and historians answered for him who he really is ...

      Well, what Svidomo say there - I don’t know ...
      1. Retvizan
        Retvizan 20 July 2016 22: 11
        0
        I did everything right. Napoleon was a Corsican, not a Frenchman (Corsica then only became French) But he preferred to become a Frenchman, not a Corsican. He could become the most significant on the island but preferred the scope of Europe and the world.
        When a person chooses who he is, the great civilization nations prefer (Rusyns-RI, AB, Corsicans-FR, colonists of the SA - USA)
        Shtetr imprinting inhibits personality development.
        In addition, Gogol was born in the Republic of Ingushetia. In his place, all the natives of modern Ukraine did the same - the same Shevchenko.
        Genius is crowded in small homelands.
        For me, Gogol is our writer. No matter who he considered himself. And although I prefer Tolstoy and the other natives of Russia, I never shared them at all. Well, born in the territory of modern Belarus or the Russian Federation or Ukraine - is it worth sharing?
        Wait you share for example Brezhnev! Vaughn Khrushchev is called a Ukrainian, and he is a Russian. It is beneficial to "steal the common and appropriate" And what is inconvenient to leave to others.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 21 July 2016 01: 16
          0
          Quote: Retvizan
          Wait, share for example Brezhnev! Vaughn Khrushchev is called Ukrainian, and he is Russian.

          What kind of "Russian"? Brezhnev and Khrushchev are Soviet people. Who and how can they "divide"? If you mean ethnic origin, then it did not matter for a Soviet person. And given that the Russian people did not gather on ethnic principles, the "carve-up" based on ethnicity is doubly absurd.
          There are no "Russians" in the principle. This concept itself became widespread under EBN as a quasi-replacement of the hated word for all Russophobes Russian.There are Russians and Yakuts, Buryats, etc. generalized citizens of Russia.
          Quote: Retvizan
          For me, Gogol is our writer

          Gogol is a Russian writer. If he is yours, then you associate yourself with Russian culture.
          Quote: Retvizan
          And although I prefer Tolstoy and other natives of Russia more-

          What kind of "exactly Russia"? Tolstoy is a native of the Russian Empire. There was no other "precisely Russia". Tolstoy is exactly the same Russian writer as Gogol.
  8. Monos
    Monos 20 July 2016 13: 28
    +16
    This is the result of this Austro-Hungarian project. The elite are, so to speak, "the nation". Hohliki, don't you want to hang yourself? Was it worth stirring up?
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 20 July 2016 13: 33
      +2
      Posobilis, poor fellow ... There are no worn pants. I will send to Kiev on demand. wassat
    2. Zulu_S
      Zulu_S 20 July 2016 14: 49
      0
      Have some fun? Maybe hang yourself? With such an elite.
  9. masiya
    masiya 20 July 2016 13: 33
    +13
    Yes, a strange education and population ...
  10. Thompson
    Thompson 20 July 2016 13: 35
    +4
    Do not blame your headache on an imaginary almighty and long plan.
    They sat stupidly and silently watched. Here is the result
  11. iliya87
    iliya87 20 July 2016 13: 52
    +1
    Not a bad article, but I would like to be more detailed.
  12. iliya87
    iliya87 20 July 2016 13: 57
    +2
    It is sad that while such, if I may say so, "comrades" will be in the Ukrainian government, talking about some positive changes, at least in some industry.
  13. atamankko
    atamankko 20 July 2016 14: 54
    +2
    After they splashed out on Russia
    you need to stay away from such neighbors.
  14. tatra
    tatra 20 July 2016 15: 09
    -2
    There is nothing surprising in the Neo-Bandera in Ukraine. Just that which is in all enemies of communists in the territory of the USSR, they are doubly-triple.
    1. Army soldier2
      Army soldier2 20 July 2016 16: 01
      +2
      Dear tatra, are you not tired of writing the phrase "enemies of the communists" in every comment?
      All forum users have long remembered that all those who disagree with your personal opinion are enemies of the Communists, live in Moscow and support Moscow Spartak.
      Calm down, please!
      1. tatra
        tatra 20 July 2016 16: 53
        0
        Ha, but tell me how you, the enemies of the Communists, call?
        After all, you have no convictions, moral principles, you are always "for no one", and "have nothing to do with it"?
        On the territory of the USSR almost 100 years after the October Revolution there is a community of people who believe that the real communists who created the USSR, developed, protected it and the Soviet people from you, their external and internal enemies, brought the USSR into the second superpower of the world, and never betrayed their party, and their supporters.
        And who are you, why do you love discussing communists and their supporters and fall into hysteria when they discuss you?
        1. Army soldier2
          Army soldier2 20 July 2016 17: 40
          0
          First, I have never discussed you or the Communists.
          Secondly, on the basis of what do you hang such labels? based on blinding hatred?
          And finally, the last one. Can you give a few names of the "real communists" of today?
          1. tatra
            tatra 20 July 2016 17: 49
            -1
            I do NOT need your verbiage. Answer my question, how have you, the enemies of the Communists, since the end of the 80s been given to you by Gorbachev, to whom you do not feel the slightest gratitude, and threw it to us, supporters of the true Communists, who never betrayed their party and its convictions, freedom of speech slandering the Communists, hanging disgusting cliches on them, blaming the Soviet Communists for the results of your highly paid work after 1991, to call, if not the enemies of the Communists?
  15. mpzss
    mpzss 20 July 2016 15: 38
    0
    about the nationality "Ukrainian", today on one of the sites found a link and was stunned! https://books.google.ee/books?id=goJGAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA26&redir_esc=y&hl=ru#v=onepag
    e & q & f = false I especially ask you to read pages from 26 to 38, but first look at the year of publication!
    And who can tell me that there is such a nation "Ukrainian" !!!! I'll spit in his face myself !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Retvizan
      Retvizan 20 July 2016 22: 31
      0
      What is wrong there? 1794 all the same.
      1764 hetmanism was eliminated, management began to be carried out through the Little Russian Collegium. But the nobles were equal in rights with the Russian nobility.
      The difference is gone. After the abolition of the symbols of the former statehood (Getman and his administration), there was no need to name the people on the territory of modern Ukraine. Do you at least remember that under the MC Kiev is still a "Russian patrimony", although it belonged to the Poles.
      And the nation "Ukrainians" is. And spitting is not cultural. Moreover, on the Internet.
      And I proudly remember my first memorization, where I was born (Ukraine)
      I was 6 years old and I read Pochemuchka (we fly over the fields is Ukraine ...)
  16. andrew-z
    andrew-z 20 July 2016 16: 34
    -2
    There is not enough saliva.
  17. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 20 July 2016 18: 08
    0
    Just listen !!! Some 25 years and people just do not recognize. Compare now, where did it all go?
  18. earloop
    earloop 20 July 2016 18: 57
    +1
    Unfortunately, during the times of the USSR they lived a double life: they spoke one thing and thought about the other. At the same time, secretly envied and helpfully smiled.
  19. Basil50
    Basil50 20 July 2016 19: 00
    0
    There were many ideas for the destruction of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE and some were partially implemented. It is a pity that the fervor of Makhnovism paid for from abroad and supported by politically domestic nationalists allowed them to take root and give * metostases *. A long search for the owner led Bandera to the Nazis, who served without sparing neither the strength nor the people. When the owners of Bandera were defeated in 1945, then other owners were found for them in the United States. As soon as the opportunity arose, they were brought and introduced in Ukraine, generously nourished with dollars.
  20. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 20 July 2016 20: 10
    0
    Vladimir Red Sun - these are our roots!
  21. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 20 July 2016 21: 35
    0
    There can be no roots for the fact that a priori does not exist!
  22. Retvizan
    Retvizan 20 July 2016 22: 48
    -1
    Some kind of trouble. I opened the article and I find out who I hate there and who I think is Asian there (although Asia is now a rapidly developing future world center_)
    History is the order of politicians. Under the USSR there was one order, under the "young 25-year-old RF" another order, under the Republic of Ingushetia a third order under Ukraine - 4 orders. Would you like to delve into political orders? Yes, they change in our memory. In addition, it is not easy to force the information society to learn the desired option.
    Most of the people in the country were born with the stamp "Ukrainian" under the USSR! Tons of literature have been written about this, where Ukraine and Ukrainians are mentioned (for example, Tolstoy, Stepanov, and others) even in small strokes and during before 1917.
    I learned that I was born in Ukraine from Pochemuchka at the age of 6.
    If the purpose of the article is to tell the Ukrainians that they are not there, then the article does not make sense (it is purely internal - to show the Russians saying that Ukrainians are not there - it makes no sense because for more than a hundred years it was the Russians who built the republic politically and gave them all the statuses and instilled the name all living regardless of origin) And now you want to go back to the tube? An empty lesson. Austria and Germany will confirm.
    In general, such articles are dangerous (like all articles about Ukraine on the World Military Organization) they can generally be successfully used against the Russian Federation! Comments of many are torpedoes under the Russian Federation! The calls of many here are a hurricane bombardment of yourself.
    It would be better, instead of articles about Ukraine, they would write so much about the REV, about battles at sea, about the future. What led VO to the status of the best site (for me)
    Articles about Ukraine on the site are simply destroying the site.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 21 July 2016 02: 25
      0
      Quote: Retvizan
      Most of the people in the country were born with the stamp "Ukrainian" under the USSR!

      Most people were born with a stamp in the USSR? smile This is some kind of news from a parallel universe. The USSR was not born with a "stamp". Nationality was chosen by a person when receiving a passport. At the same time, all the peoples of the USSR were the Soviet people.
      Quote: Retvizan
      Tons of literature are written about this, where Ukraine and Ukrainians are mentioned (for example, Tolstoy, Stepanov, and others), even in small touches and until 1917.

      You are confusing Ukraine as a state - appeared in 1917, and de facto in 1991, Ukraine as a toponym - appeared in the 16th century, besides, there were many Ukraine (outskirts) in Russia and Ukrainians as an ethnonym: there were 2 meanings of the ethnonym "Ukrainians" - common Ukrainians as a synonym for Little Russians and politically anti-imperial - Ukrainians as a separate people.
      Quote: Retvizan
      I learned that I was born in Ukraine from Pochemuchka at age 6

      If you mean the book Pochemuchka, then there you could find out that you were born in the USSR, and not in Ukraine. And if in more detail, in one of the 15 Soviet republics, namely in the Ukrainian SSR.