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An apache helicopter simulator is being developed for training Russian air defense forces.

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The designers of RostIntelAvia are developing a unique helicopter simulator of a potential enemy for the training of air defense forces. Innovative targets will be shot down from a portable anti-aircraft missile system (MANPADS). The price of the development of the layout is only 1,9 million rubles, reports Life.Army.



“The purpose of the work is to develop a combat helicopter simulator, which is intended for training air defense specialists. It will be delivered annually to all air defense ranges of the Russian army. There are no similar developments in any army in the world ",
Life Designer Vladimir Rostopchin told Life.

“The drone will fly up from place to height to 100 meters, hang there for a while, imitating the position“ in ambush ”(the helicopter hangs in the path of the target, and when it approaches it sharply“ emerges ”from behind the shelter), and then land . In this mode, it will be able to operate for 8 hours, flying up and down. They will be tied up solely with the aim of preventing the device from flying away from the landfill, ”he said.

“From the point of view of visibility, the simulator corresponds to a helicopter; on it you can set up an effective“ scattering surface ”(a quantitative measure of the reflectivity of the target that prevents the enemy’s self-guided projectiles from entering the machine). A device that generates a thermal field corresponding to the real one coming from a real helicopter will be delivered to it, ”the article says.

It is noted that “the field can be adjusted so that it corresponds to the indicator of the American combat helicopter AH-64 Apache, which is in service with the US Army and in the NATO countries - Britain, the Netherlands, and Greece. The helicopter is also operated in Japan, Saudi Arabia, Israel and Egypt.

Rostopchin:
The simulator is designed for soldiers who are engaged in the protection of troops and objects from the means of aerospace attack. He will be able to imitate all types of combat helicopters operating on the battlefield from the "ambush" position. The device simulates a real combat helicopter in the most difficult modes for air defense systems - "freeze" and "takeoff." A flying helicopter does not pose a problem, but it is difficult to get into the “hanging” one, the air defense weapons “cannot see”.


“The weight of the model of the helicopter simulator will be no more than 170 kg, length 6 m, height 1,7 m, maximum diameter of the rotor 3 m. The layout scheme assumes tail tail rotor. The power plant is based on a rotary-piston engine type XRUM XRD. The design of the blades of the propellers will have metal plug-in (embedded) elements and provide radar visibility ", - told the company.



As noted by Rostopchin, the project’s importance lies in the fact that “it will help reduce personnel losses in the early days of a possible conflict, because almost 90% of manpower dies at this stage, due to the enemy’s destruction of air defense systems.”

Alexander Luzan, Deputy Commander of Air Defense Forces on Armaments: “Previously, it was impossible to shoot at a helicopter, there was no such target. And even when adopting a complex, it was necessary to shoot off a helicopter to check the combat characteristics. In this case, the usual decommissioned helicopter was put on the 5-10 tower of meters, the engine was started, and it was fired at with a complex that was tested by the State Commission. But it is both expensive and not widely used in the military. Therefore, if they make helicopter targets, it will be very cool. ”

It is reported that the prototype target in August-September will be presented to Sergei Shoigu. However, the specific delivery time of the product to the troops is not called.
Photos used:
wikipedia.org, RIA Novosti / George Simarev
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  1. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 18 July 2016 13: 32
    +16
    Very interesting idea. The flying target simulating Apache is just an excellent development and further training of personnel ...
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 18 July 2016 14: 10
      +12
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Very interesting idea. The flying target simulating Apache is just an excellent development and further training of personnel ...

      Why not go further and develop an emitter, say, Abrams, so that our soldiers can train it in the use of Vampires and Cornets? By the way, what is not an idea?
      1. Temples
        Temples 18 July 2016 14: 24
        -9
        The cost of developing a layout is total 1,9 million

        One successful shot will cost 2 million rubles.
        excluding the cost of the shot itself.
        And we want, as always - every shot at the target !!!
        Otherwise, why training?

        Rejoice or not, I do not know.

        In this mode, she will be able to act for 8 hours, flying up and down.

        Or is the model reusable?
        Otherwise, the flight should be minute, with good air defense shooting.
        1. Camel
          Camel 18 July 2016 16: 33
          +22
          One successful shot will cost 2 million rubles.
          excluding the cost of the shot itself.

          We read carefully - "development price". This is the price of R&D and development work, not the price of a model, and it is really staggeringly small!
          1. gg.na
            gg.na 18 July 2016 16: 58
            +4
            Quote: Camel
            We read carefully - "development price"

            Speak correctly! Read carefully. Inattention leads to unnecessary conclusions and conclusions. Inattention and haste are very bad fellow travelers. You good +++ !!!!!
            1. Temples
              Temples 18 July 2016 17: 39
              +1
              I agree, you need to read carefully - donkey! hi

              I know that no one will design for such money.
              A maximum sketch will be drawn.
              What is vague in this wording:
              Layout Development Cost


              So how much can a real target with declared functionality cost?

              And how can she act for 8 hours with good shooting?

              Here I have some misunderstandings after this news -

              We will cheaply target all targets.
              And the air defense will hammer on it tirelessly.

              Too sweet for the truth.
              1. Forest
                Forest 18 July 2016 20: 40
                +2
                Old targets weren’t worth a penny either. And the target itself is likely to fail from an unknown side, wasting fuel, hiding in the folds of the terrain. During the exercises in 80 in Transbaikalia, the target of the fighter freaked out and went to the side. So they drove for almost an hour until they shot down.
                1. sandrmur76
                  sandrmur76 19 July 2016 03: 17
                  0
                  In Soviet times, the targets were mainly old models or decommissioned aircraft. There were targets from the list of old missiles, but they did not fire at them, but air defense systems. And it was not just shooting. This is from the category of exercises. It is realistic to imagine that a piece of plywood rises into the sky and it will correspond to a real Apache I can’t. There is a lot of money! The question is that a lot of money can be spent on developing new MANPADS. Everything is flowing in the world and everything is changing, including helicopter protection. request
                  1. Forest
                    Forest 19 July 2016 15: 59
                    0
                    MANPADS of the same Apache are unlikely to be reached - they will not climb closer to the front line 5-6 km. But the military air defense missile systems need to shoot down such targets.
      2. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 18 July 2016 15: 15
        +6
        Do not forget to draw the American flag on board, it will be more realistic.
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 18 July 2016 19: 53
          0
          And they could get the real one somehow. The USA won the Mi-24, MiG-29, Su-27 through the CIS countries and the countries of Eastern Europe at the time.
        2. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 18 July 2016 23: 15
          0
          This is without a flag already level 90 trolling lol + more "in the open".
          1. guzik007
            guzik007 19 July 2016 09: 03
            0
            This is already trolling level 90 without a flag lol + still "on the spot".
            --------------------------------------------------------------------
            The reins of Iago, the reins! Tie it tight!
      3. guzik007
        guzik007 19 July 2016 09: 00
        0
        So it comes to the layout of the White House in Kamchatka. You look, and the Mace will finally begin to learn: =)
  2. ovod84
    ovod84 18 July 2016 13: 33
    0
    Well done keep it up
  3. xant
    xant 18 July 2016 13: 34
    +9
    why shy! we still need mock abrams of different cookie targets and stuffed Obama in every piece!
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 18 July 2016 13: 43
      +1
      You can cling to T55 with plywood and Abrams will be yours.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 18 July 2016 14: 03
        +2
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        You can cling to T55 with plywood and Abrams will be yours.

        But once upon a time there were topics:

        Another bit:

        USSR Air Force "Tugan" bombing range:
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 18 July 2016 14: 11
        +2
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        You can cling to T55 with plywood and Abrams will be yours.

        And the indicators of armor, heat dissipation, etc. like Abrams will also achieve plywood?
    2. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 18 July 2016 14: 08
      +3
      Quote: xant
      why shy! we still need mock abrams of different cookie targets and stuffed Obama in every piece!

      We need to make it easier, just invite the Americans to the exercises, and there anything can be!
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    7. poquello
      poquello 18 July 2016 18: 47
      +1
      Quote: xant
      why shy! we still need mock abrams of the cookie target of different and stuffed obama in every part!

      Obama’s simulator for our Foreign Ministry is not economically feasible due to the short life
  4. spike-110
    spike-110 18 July 2016 13: 36
    +1
    It’s a good thing, because the main task of the army is not to build summer cottages for the generals and not paint the grass ... the main task is to prepare for war, no matter how it bore anyone ... I honestly have no idea how the same Apache will be used in a conflict with a normal opponent. .in Yugoslavia, all the Apaches sat and did not rock the boat..this is not Iraq where the terrain is even as a table and not suppressed for three months ... and even that old one ... there are such wonderful things in our armed forces as Igla, Igla-S, Willow, which will definitely be in one company ... I’m not talking about TORs, Armor, Tunguska and other really good things ...
  5. tomket
    tomket 18 July 2016 13: 37
    +11
    Can they offer their "Apache" for 1.9 mil?
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 18 July 2016 13: 42
      +3
      Funny, a mixture of Apache and an alligator ....
      1. poquello
        poquello 18 July 2016 18: 54
        +1
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        Funny, a mixture of Apache and an alligator ....

        and extra cogs
  6. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 18 July 2016 13: 39
    -1
    and "Abrams" will be? (you can steal in the Baltic .. yes)
    Quote: Alexey-74
    Apache simulated flying target - just a great development
    as I understand it, the target will be static ...
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 18 July 2016 13: 50
      0
      According to the SBU version, the target will be inflatable, like everything in the Russian army, and the conscript will move it on a string ..
      1. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 18 July 2016 14: 08
        +1
        According to the price list, exactly yes, make a pattern for gluing the inflatable layout. The foil can already be glued. Why some engines. Shot off, hit, put a patch.
    2. kenig1
      kenig1 18 July 2016 16: 48
      +1
      The flying helicopter is not a problem, but it is difficult to get into the "hanging" one, the air defense systems "do not see" it. "

      That is the whole point of the target.
  7. Observer2014
    Observer2014 18 July 2016 13: 44
    +2
    The development price of the layout is only 1,9 million rubles,
    The photo for the article is credit! Looking at the photo "Apache" and in truth, one might think that our copy of it for 1,9 million rubles performed laughing In general, Moldovans! They learn marketing with advertising!
  8. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 18 July 2016 13: 53
    0
    For snipers, it is necessary to develop targets with full-sized copies of applicants - everyone knows them.
  9. afrikanez
    afrikanez 18 July 2016 13: 55
    0
    One thing is not clear, what is the difference between Apache’s flight and our Mi-28 or Ka-52? Probably Apache also flies down a screw? If no one has this, then why do we need it, is there any extra money? You can scold as you want, but in my opinion what kind of nonsense is offered.
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 18 July 2016 21: 07
      0
      Quote: afrikanez
      One thing is not clear, what is the difference between Apache’s flight and our Mi-28 or Ka-52? Probably Apache also flies down a screw? If no one has this, then why do we need it, is there any extra money? You can scold as you want, but in my opinion what kind of nonsense is offered.

      Do you offer to use combat helicopters as targets?
  10. strannik1985
    strannik1985 18 July 2016 14: 14
    0
    The next logical step will be the organization of the 32nd Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment (OPFOR) and the Red Eagles squadron.
  11. uav80
    uav80 18 July 2016 14: 58
    +1
    You can buy a pod at a fugitive Turkish military turntables, and you don’t need to drive far, they’ll take them directly to Hmeimim ...

    PS: information appeared that they had more than 40 helicopters missing ...
  12. berezin1987
    berezin1987 18 July 2016 15: 45
    0
    The business is necessary. It would also be nice to get existing samples of American aircraft for a detailed study.
  13. taram taramych
    taram taramych 18 July 2016 16: 30
    +3
    On the issue of the "winged", brother "Akbar" sends news from Syria. "An unmanned aerial vehicle launched from Syria on July 17, 2016 and flying over Israeli territory successfully escaped three interception attempts. As Defense News reports, citing military sources in Israel, the device could not hit either two Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems or an air-to-air missile launched by the F-16 Fighting Falcon.

    According to the Israeli Air Force, a Syrian drone was discovered some time before its invasion of Israeli airspace in the Golan Heights. The apparatus was escorted all the time during its flight. The military is currently trying to establish which type of drone violated airspace. An investigation is also underway into the failure of the interception attempts.

    The 168th squadron of F-16 fighters and the Patriot PAC-2 surface-to-air missile system are responsible for protecting Israeli airspace from various enemy aircraft, including drones. "
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 18 July 2016 16: 46
      +1
      With missiles, more or less clear. And F-16 could not catch up and consider? Throw a link to the information.
      1. taram taramych
        taram taramych 18 July 2016 19: 29
        +1
        http://akbar.cont.ws/ и ещё позитива от туда же. "Россия в ходе операции ВКС в Сирии испытала новые беспилотники на водородном топливе, заявил РИА Новости высокопоставленный представитель военно-промышленного комплекса.

        "Those unmanned aerial vehicles that were used in Syria, not all, but there were a lot of them, they flew on hydrogen fuel. That is, they can stay in the air for a long time, constantly generating hydrogen, allowing the propulsion unit to replenish energy," the source said. ...

        According to him, all these drones returned safely to Russia. Research is currently underway on how the equipment behaved in hot climates and sandstorms. "Https://cont.ws/post/322011
    2. poquello
      poquello 18 July 2016 19: 02
      0
      Quote: Taram Taramych
      "An unmanned aerial vehicle launched from Syria on July 17, 2016 and flying over Israeli territory successfully escaped three interception attempts. As Defense News reports, citing military sources in Israel, the device could not hit either two Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems or an air-to-air missile launched by the F-16 Fighting Falcon.

      cool news, but what will our Israeli comrades say
    3. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 18 July 2016 19: 22
      +2
      An unmanned aerial vehicle launched from Syria on July 17, 2016 and flying over Israeli territory, successfully escaped three attempts to intercept.

      Information from the series - "it is written on the fence ... and what is behind the fence is unknown."
      1) The IDF said no rockets had been fired at the Golan in the incident. (did not shoot) Jerusalem Post Israel News
      2) "Two Patriot air defense missiles were fired toward a drone which infiltrated Israeli airspace in the central Golan Heights. The drone returned to Syria," the Israeli army said. (shot) Reuters
      3) The army believes that the UAV was Russian-made, Channel 2 said. (This is Putin) timesofisrael

      Total. Where is the professor?
    4. taram taramych
      taram taramych 19 July 2016 06: 07
      0
      For the sake of completeness, "A universal, that is, a silent and" long-playing "drone was created by Russian scientists. This product so far bears the code name" Inspector 402 ". And our Ministry of Defense has already become interested in it.

      A new generation of hydrogen-air element has been introduced into the machine, as well as an electric motor, which makes the device silent and not leaving a thermal mark.

      The principle of operation of fuel cells is based on a physicochemical reaction.

      In fact, they resemble ordinary lead batteries, but with significantly higher efficiency (45 percent or more).

      For more details, http: //zonwar.ru/news/news_50 .... "
  14. sinoptic
    sinoptic 18 July 2016 16: 34
    0
    ... length 6 m, ... maximum rotor diameter 3 m.

    How's that? laughing
    My child is 6 years old draws more believable "imitations".
  15. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 18 July 2016 17: 02
    0
    And also it (stuffed Apache) can be used as a decoy helicopter. There are decoy ducks? :-) :-) :-)
  16. alpamys
    alpamys 18 July 2016 18: 28
    0
    A unique target, which has no analogues in the world

    laughing Russians are the only ones who present the news in this way, constantly smiling ...
  17. lopvlad
    lopvlad 18 July 2016 18: 50
    +2
    Quote: Temples
    One successful shot will cost 2 million rubles.
    excluding the cost of the shot itself.


    Or did you really think that for training soldiers they will be a real rocket to destroy a real simulator?
    The helicopter simulator will be "destroyed" from the MANPADS simulator.
    1. TsUS-Air Force
      TsUS-Air Force 18 July 2016 19: 48
      0
      simulator for simulator for 2 lyama? Can we make millions imitation?
  18. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 18 July 2016 19: 47
    -1
    I agree, let's minus the sorrow of the designers, but 2 lyama per piece of iron with a length of only 6 meters and a height of 2 is too much. Are all the minusers ready to give their budget money for this crap? the target is needed. read the headline rejoiced. read the gist and very disappointed!
  19. Rus62
    Rus62 18 July 2016 20: 10
    +1
    Well, that's all the dots on the i. Recent "partners" are now called a probable enemy. It is for the best, things should be called by their proper names. For a long time, the west of Russia is far from a partner. And for completeness, the gunners and infantry, for training, you can sprinkle models of American Abrams and German Leopards.
  20. masiya
    masiya 18 July 2016 22: 16
    0
    I may not be so special, but how did the Stingers with which the Mujahideen brought down our ours, that this Apache figs is so superior to our weapons that it requires a simulator to create it, isn’t it easier to simply destroy the existing complexes on the battlefield (or not ??? ) ... !!
  21. Alex_Tug
    Alex_Tug 18 July 2016 23: 47
    0
    Quote: taram taramych
    Those unmanned aerial vehicles that were used in Syria, not all, but there were a lot of them, flew on hydrogen fuel. That is, they can stay in the air for a long time, constantly producing hydrogen


    1) Hydrogen fuel is good, there will be no intense infrared trace. (I think below the sensitivity zone of the rocket sensors)
    2) to constantly produce hydrogen - this is unrealistic. Only a cylinder under 200 atm as compressed air in the first torpedoes.
  22. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 19 July 2016 09: 03
    +1
    And it is not easier to inflate a "balloon" similar to a helicopter, attach a simulator of thermal radiation to it, ensure radio visibility, and raise and lower it on a cable. It will be cheaper :)