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Putivl our? ..

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Two years ago, against the background of the reunification of Crimea with Russia in the media, the topic was acutely relevant: “And on what basis did the Crimean Peninsula be transferred to the Ukrainian SSR in 1954 year from the RSFSR?” But historians tried to answer this question broke spears, teeth, and in general all that could be broken, and up to 2014 year. For obvious reasons, attempts to give an unequivocal answer to this difficult question led to the mention of the name of N. S. Khrushchev, and this (as if official) motivation for the transfer of the Crimean peninsula to Ukraine was the main discussion:


(...) given the commonality of the economy, territorial proximity and close economic and cultural ties between the Crimean region and the Ukrainian SSR.


It was these notorious “commonality” and “territorial proximity” that became the stumbling block when discussing such a delicate issue. There were and still are specialists (or “specialists”) who call the Khrushchev's step sound and reasonable. They say that after the Great Patriotic War, the Crimean peninsula was in a deplorable state, and only, you know, under the jurisdiction of the Ukrainian SSR, necessary restoration work could be carried out in a relatively short time to turn the Crimea into an all-union health resort. Why the same work could not be carried out under the jurisdiction of the RSFSR? - arguments are either not cited at all, or they look, to put it mildly, implausible.

Against this background, with all the heat of the discussion of the Crimean issue from 1954, it can be considered a somewhat strange fact that the discussion of the transfer of the Ukrainian SSR to other Russian territories in the Soviet Union’s existence format is practically not conducted. As if the Crimea is the only territory, which at one time was cut off from the RSFSR and transferred to the Ukrainian "use".

Of course, such an approach to the discussion can be understood, if only because the issue of Crimea has significant resonance because of its return to the bosom of Russia. But other territories are still under the "Maidan patronage."

But is this the reason to forget about the strange kind of administrative-territorial decisions of the Soviet authorities, taken in addition to the decision on the Crimea? Not at all trying to justify Khrushchev in terms of his "Crimean" idea, this man acted only as a continuer of the entire campaign for the compilation of the mosaic of the Ukrainian SSR from the territories of various Soviet republics. The first steps of this very powerful campaign began in fact from the very first days of the existence of the Ukrainian SSR itself, which was born thanks to the fact that other republics partially lost their lands and, as a result, their population. It was Russia that lost the most.

This material deals with the facts of the transfer of the lands of the Kursk Region (RSFSR) to the Ukrainian SSR in the 20s of the last century.

Below you can see a map of the Kursk region, telling about the dates of the establishment of Soviet power in this region of Russia. However, in this situation, the map presented in the exposition of one of the regional museums of the Kursk region is published in the Military Review not to demonstrate how Soviet power walked along the nightingale. An interesting map of the outlines of the Kursk region in 1917-1918 years. And in these outlines there are not only several large areas of the present Belgorod region (including Belgorod itself), but also, which is much more significant in the context of the material, the territories that are now part of Ukraine. As an example - Putivl district, the administrative center of which, as you know, is mentioned in the “Word about the regiment of Igor”.

Putivl our? ..


Judging by the “logic” of the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine in 1954, the transfer of Putivl and some other Kursk territories from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR in the twenties should also be justified by “territorial proximity”, “commonality of the economy” and “cultural ties”. If so, then it is surprising that after the stroke of the pen of the then Moscow leaders, Ukraine didn’t withdraw all the regions of the RSFSR that belonged to its territory (if it makes sense at the time of the 20-s of the last century) to speak about the "Ukrainian" territories itself. It is strange that "little things" areas ...



So Khrushchev in 1954, it must have seemed that the gifts in the form of Putivl, Miropolya and the environs of Grayvoron are too small, and therefore the whole Crimean region went into action together with the population, whose opinion (and not only the Crimean) at that time it was not accepted to be interested ...

Denoting the fact that the Putivl lands with one stroke of the pen of the Soviet party leaders in the 20-ies had departed the Ukrainian SSR, the question arose as to what is being said about this in Putyvl itself, which was de jure not “Ukrainian” since its foundation in the X century. Considering that Maidan hysteria, which Ukraine is sick today, it was possible to assume that they had time to rewrite it in Putivl history, deleting from it any mention of Putivl as a Russian city. However, surprisingly, this is not yet the case. On the official site of Putyvl city council (City Council) from the history of the ancient Russian city decided not to do (or did not have time yet) Maidannaya ridicule, and presented all the historical facts with surprising (for today's Ukraine) objectivity.

From the history of Putyvl, published on the mentioned web resource:
In 1500, the Seversky Prince Vasily Shemyak, to whom the Putivl lands were subordinate, went over to the side of the great Moscow Prince Ivan III. So Putivl was in the Moscow State.

In the 16th-17th centuries, the city was the most important defensive outpost on the southern borders of Russia, included in the system of cross-border borders that the Moscow state built to protect against invasions of the Tatars, Turks and other southern peoples.

In the XVII century Putivl - one of the largest cities in Russia. By the size of the territory and population, it exceeded such large cities of the time as Pskov, Smolensk, Chernihiv.


Well, absolutely amazing official words when taking into account the frenzy of modern Ukraine:

In the 17th century, Putivl played extremely important role in Ukraine’s relations with Russia. Ukrainian hetmans entered into diplomatic relations with Moscow through the mediation of the Putivl governor. During the Liberation War of the Ukrainian people 1648-1657. Under the leadership of Bogdan Khmelnitsky Putivl was the main center through which Russian government provided military and economic assistance to the Ukrainian people.

In November-December 1653 in Putivl was located the Russian embassy headed by boyar V.V. Buturlin. The embassy met Putivl voivod S. Pushkin - the ancestor of the famous poet. The embassy left Putivl for Pereyaslav, where on January 8 1654 was taken historic decision to reunite Ukraine with Russia.


Apogee:
Putivl land keeps the roots of Russian and Ukrainian culturebeing a link between two fraternal peoples and states.


On the basis of the above lines, a shy hope emerges that not all representatives of the local Ukrainian authorities since February 2014 have been in a dope of burning tires in Kiev ... Or everything is much more commonplace - and to the page about the history of Putivl on the official site of the City Council Maidan "elite" have not yet reached out? I would like to hope for the first, and therefore the Putivl authorities can say THANK YOU for preserving historical truth.

However, under the pressure of the Sumy governor in February, the 2016 in February in Putyvl nevertheless dismantled the monument to Lenin, apparently in order to correspond to the general (and in the direct and figurative sense) “decommunization”. True, the monument has not yet been demolished, but delivered to the Spadshchansky memorial complex (at least, the authorities of Sumy region said so). To put it simply, the “Lenin” was taken to the forest, where it was abandoned.



By the way, when transferring Putivl district in 1925-1926. The composition of the Ukrainian SSR must take into account one important detail. On the basis of archival documents, the transfer of the region to Ukraine by the SSR was carried out on the condition that the region receives the status of Russian national autonomy within the republic (including several more such regions). This autonomy existed until the second half of the 30-s, after which the then party members of the Ukrainian SSR decided to abolish Russian national autonomies, which was declaratively represented as a step towards “rapprochement of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples”.

For your information:
From 1920 to 1928, over 500 settlements (cities, villages, villages) of Kursk, Bryansk and Voronezh regions, the territory of the so-called Don Army, as well as several districts of the Gomel region, which were part of the RSFSR for the year, were transferred to the USSR.

Such a story ...
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  1. Korney84
    Korney84 19 July 2016 04: 40
    +39
    You give the return of the native Russian lands !!!
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 19 July 2016 05: 09
      +39
      Heh! Look at what Russian lands, cities and entire regions were at the same time transferred to Kazakhstan. And then where was Khrushchev? Is it necessary to stir up the past and for what? Then, first of all, it is necessary to recognize the collapse of the USSR as illegal. But you need to know the story. Many thanks to the author for the informative article!
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 19 July 2016 09: 49
        +53
        Quote: siberalt
        Heh! Look at what Russian lands, cities and entire regions were at the same time transferred to Kazakhstan. And then where was Khrushchev? Is it necessary to stir up the past and for what? Then, first of all, it is necessary to recognize the collapse of the USSR as illegal. But you need to know the story. Many thanks to the author for the informative article!

        The collapse of the USSR was illegal, contrary to the will of the peoples living in the USSR - it does not even require recognition, but it requires an investigation and bringing those responsible to court who are still alive, except for one of their accomplice Yeltsin.
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 19 July 2016 10: 48
          +9
          From 1920 to 1928, over 500 settlements (cities, villages, villages) of Kursk, Bryansk and Voronezh regions, the territory of the so-called Don Army, as well as several districts of the Gomel region, which were part of the RSFSR for the year, were transferred to the USSR.


          In order to return these lands, it is necessary to declare all actions on the transfer of Russian lands illegal through a court decision. And if the actions are illegal, then the perpetrators are criminals. That is, down with the Bolsheviks! Well, if the Bolsheviks are not down, if they are honest and correct, then their decisions are legal. And if their decisions to squander Russian lands for the sake of political expediency are legal, then Russia has no legal chances to return these lands.
        2. Al1977
          Al1977 19 July 2016 15: 35
          +35
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          The collapse of the USSR was illegal, contrary to the will of the peoples living in the USSR - it does not even require recognition, but it requires an investigation and bringing those responsible to court who are still alive, except for one of their accomplice Yeltsin.

          Give the USSR !!!! I want to go back to the USSR, to the best country in the world !!!!
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 19 July 2016 17: 30
            +3
            Quote: Al1977
            Give the USSR !!!! I want to go back to the USSR, to the best country in the world !!!!

            Is it a slogan or statement?
          2. Monarchist
            Monarchist 19 July 2016 20: 21
            +8
            I also miss the USSR. Then there was stability, although already in the 70s there were frequent manifestations of "friendship of peoples".
      2. dkflbvbh
        dkflbvbh 19 July 2016 10: 51
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        Heh! Look at what Russian lands, cities and entire regions were at the same time transferred to Kazakhstan. And then where was Khrushchev? Is it necessary to stir up the past and for what? Then, first of all, it is necessary to recognize the collapse of the USSR as illegal. But you need to know the story. Many thanks to the author for the informative article!


        Here are those on ... And you do not know what to put + or -...

        See which Russian lands, cities and entire regions at the same time were transferred to Kazakhstan. And then where was Khrushchev? - +

        Do I need to stir up the past and for what? Then, first of all, it is necessary to recognize the collapse of the USSR as illegal. - -
        1. Smoke
          Smoke 20 July 2016 06: 08
          +1
          With Ukrainians, we did not "know how to react" for a long time, and now we have what we have ...
      3. andj61
        andj61 19 July 2016 11: 33
        +7
        Quote: siberalt
        Heh! Look at what Russian lands, cities and entire regions were at the same time transferred to Kazakhstan.

        So Kazakhstan as a state entity at that moment did not exist! Naturally, during its formation, some territories should have departed to him. That's just, for example, Orenburg at one time was even the capital! bully
        A bit of history:
        On August 26, 1920, the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR adopted the Decree “On the Establishment of the Kyrgyz Soviet Autonomous Socialist Republic”, signed by M. I. Kalinin and V. I. Lenin, as part of the RSFSR with its capital in Orenburg. It was formed from Akmola, Semipalatinsk, Turgai, Ural, as well as Bukeev and parts of the Orenburg provinces.
        In 1925, after the national-territorial demarcation in Central Asia, the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was renamed the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, the capital was transferred from the Urals to the Syr Darya in the city of Perovsk, which received the new name Kzyl-Orda, it also included the Syr Darya and Dzhetysu regions of the former Turkestan ASSR with Kazakh population and Karakalpak Autonomous Okrug (later in 1936 it was included in the Uzbek SSR with transformation into the Karakalpak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic). The Orenburg region was returned to the direct subordination of the RSFSR.
        In 1927, the capital was moved even further east to Alma-Ata, and the city of Tashkent was transferred to the Uzbek SSR and became its capital instead of Samarkand. According to the memoirs of V. Molotov, a member of the Presidium of the USSR Central Executive Committee, “the creation of the Central Asian republics” “and borders” is an entirely Stalinist affair. ”“ A sharp struggle was going on ”-“ Kazakhs, for example, their elite, fought for Tashkent, wanted it to be their capital ... Stalin gathered them, discussed this matter, looked at the borders and said: Tashkent - to the Uzbeks, and Verny, Alma-Ata - to the Kazakhs. "
        In 1932, the entire Kara-Bogaz-Gol Bay was assigned to the Turkmen SSR, despite the fact that Kazakh Adai clans roamed along its shores.
        Only in 1936, the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was separated from the RSFSR and transformed into the Kazakh SSR.

        That is, the principle of who was doing what worked here. It was exactly the same with Ukraine - it received a bunch of territories that had not previously been included in it - Donbass, Krivoy Rog, part of the Don Troops region, the entire Black Sea region. But part of the territories were also transferred from the historical regions of Ukraine to the RSFSR. For example, even in the 17 century Starodub was the summer residence of the hetmans, and the Starodub, Mglinsky, Suravzhsky and Novozybkov counties were part of the Chernihiv province. Now it is the southwestern regions of the Bryansk region.
      4. Monarchist
        Monarchist 19 July 2016 20: 15
        +3
        Thanks to the author. He confirms that the cause of the current floods must be sought in the past. Lenin began, and his followers continued nonsense: territorial borders were drawn from a lantern; they themselves were hypnotized that the proletariat had no nationality. The manifestations of nationalism in Ukraine, Central Asia, etc. were carefully silent. If in the pre-war years it was still possible to blame on the legacy of tsarism, and then attributed to the weakening of party work or some other nonsense. Older people themselves can remember
        1. Nick
          Nick 19 July 2016 21: 24
          +2
          Quote: andj61
          That is, the principle of who was doing what worked here. It was exactly the same with Ukraine - it received a bunch of territories that had not previously been included in it - Donbass, Krivoy Rog, part of the Don Troops region, the entire Black Sea region. But part of the territories were also transferred from the historical regions of Ukraine to the RSFSR. For example, even in the 17 century Starodub was the summer residence of the hetmans, and the Starodub, Mglinsky, Suravzhsky and Novozybkov counties were part of the Chernihiv province. Now it is the southwestern regions of the Bryansk region.

          Quote: Monarchist
          Thanks to the author. He confirms that the cause of the current floods must be sought in the past. Lenin began, and his followers continued nonsense: territorial borders were drawn from a lantern; they themselves were hypnotized that the proletariat had no nationality. The manifestations of nationalism in Ukraine, Central Asia, etc. were carefully suppressed.

          Nonsense all this. Someone handed something to someone. Complete nonsense! Which areas? what cities? what areas? All this is a single and indivisible country! All these are components of one state, Russia! The Bolsheviks gave the local princes to indulge, play the sovereigns, but did not calculate the consequences. But everything will be back soon, on the basis of common interest, shared values ​​and mental unity. EurAsEC however!
      5. Cro-Magnon
        Cro-Magnon 20 July 2016 04: 34
        +3
        And the collapse of the USSR is already legally null and void ... no one ever bothered to formalize the "divorce" of the republics of the USSR in accordance with the norms of the USSR's constitution! So RFiya is the same legal misunderstanding as other "sovereign" republics!
        He put a plus sign for the topic that was raised ... but the author swims finely ... we need to think more globally ... otherwise in some territories Russia has returned to the borders of the 15th century, the time of Ivan the Great!
    2. Aleksander
      Aleksander 19 July 2016 10: 10
      +14
      Quote: Korney84
      You give the return of the native Russian lands !!!

      Yes, Odessa and Donetsk_Krivororozhsky Republics, independently who chose Russia, the Bolsheviks forcibly shoved the Ruin into the under-state, which today is being haunted by the war in the Donbass.

      You can recall Belarus, the territory of which they are, noisy summing up, increased in TWICE in 1924 year at the expense of Russia (already after the union agreement of 1922 year). It's funny to say, did they ask those they cut like some serfs
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    4. potroshenko
      potroshenko 19 July 2016 14: 07
      +5
      Quote: Korney84
      You give the return of the native Russian lands !!!

      Soloviev disagrees with you.
      1. Al1977
        Al1977 19 July 2016 17: 18
        +3
        Quote: potroshenko
        Soloviev disagrees with you.

        Political prostitute is not a decree to us !!!
        Flashed the opportunity to use Google? This video is a hundred years old at lunch. He has already answered all the charges. This Crimea came to its native harbor, so everything according to the concepts ...)))
        1. true lover
          true lover 19 July 2016 19: 12
          +6
          With this statement, I agree. I would add that Crimeans have experienced a lot of "embedded innovations" from Ukraine. Ukraine, in turn, just used what it was. And she regrets not having sucked every last drop. So the Crimeans were great, they defended the Crimea and did without blood. I believe that this should be the case all over the world, the people should decide, not individual "big" people!
        2. igor67
          igor67 19 July 2016 20: 49
          +5
          Quote: Al1977
          Quote: potroshenko
          Soloviev disagrees with you.

          Political prostitute is not a decree to us !!!
          Flashed the opportunity to use Google? This video is a hundred years old at lunch. He has already answered all the charges. This Crimea came to its native harbor, so everything according to the concepts ...)))

          What about this?
          1. Al1977
            Al1977 20 July 2016 09: 40
            +1
            Quote: igor67
            What about this?

            There were other realities. The world began to move, the enemy forces went on the offensive. The common threat must be rallied, which is what the long-suffering and courageous people of Crimea did.
            Crimea returned to its native harbor!
      2. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 19 July 2016 19: 49
        +2
        Solovyov was broadcasting from a different political reality, when it was more important to maintain relations (on the question of the aggressiveness of the Russian Federation), but since the bureaucratic lands began to get drunk, they squandered the NATO development, the conversation was different.
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 20 July 2016 09: 42
          +2
          Quote: IvanIvanov
          Solovyov was broadcasting from a different political reality, when it was more important to maintain relations (on the question of the aggressiveness of the Russian Federation), but since the bureaucratic lands began to get drunk, they squandered the NATO development, the conversation was different.

          You listened attentively to the speech, there was not only about Crimea ... No, he was just a prostitute. no more. There will be no Putin, he will be the first to broadcast for an hour with "experts" what Putin is bad.
    5. HERMES
      HERMES 19 July 2016 14: 49
      +1
      Quote: Korney84
      You give the return of the native Russian lands !!!

      And how much blood are you willing to shed for these lands? What is more valuable? A man or a land ... You, dear - are you missing 17 sq km?
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 19 July 2016 16: 25
        +5
        Quote: HERMES
        Quote: Korney84
        You give the return of the native Russian lands !!!

        And how much blood are you willing to shed for these lands? What is more valuable? A man or a land ... You, dear - are you missing 17 sq km?

        Why pour blood for this? There are our people and they still come back with the earth
      2. Al1977
        Al1977 19 July 2016 17: 21
        +5
        Quote: HERMES
        And how much blood are you willing to shed for these lands? What is more valuable? A man or a land ... You, dear - are you missing 17 sq km?

        At 41m, grandfathers paid as much as needed, and we will pay !!!
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 19 July 2016 04: 50
    +2
    In the USSR, all the more so, Khrushchev could not have imagined that there would be figures for the collapse of the country.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 19 July 2016 17: 48
      +2
      Quote: Teberii
      In the USSR, all the more so, Khrushchev could not have imagined that there would be figures for the collapse of the country.

      A bike walks on tyrnet that Lenin and Trotsky divided Crimea into land shares, and gave them to the Americans on a loan of ten thousand green in 300 for ten years. Stalin did not want to pay, and sent them to x ... I do not know how true this is, but I like it.
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 19 July 2016 20: 35
        +1
        Not science fiction, but actually Lenin and Trotsky raved about the world revolution and wildly hated our whole history: there was a unity of the people of the church and the monarchy (before the Petrine period) ... In Turkmenistan, it seems, Uzbekistan was minimally paid mullahs, but in Russia ....
  3. BLOND
    BLOND 19 July 2016 04: 52
    +36
    On December 30, 1922, by signing the Union Treaty, the Ukrainian SSR, together with the RSFSR, the Belorussian SSR and the Transcaucasian SFSR, became part of the USSR. In 1923, the Lugansk village and the adjacent territories of the Don region of the RSFSR were transferred to the Ukrainian SSR. In August 1924, the Taganrog and Shakhty districts were returned to the RSFSR. On October 16, 1925, the Ukrainian SSR was transferred from the Kursk province: the territory of the former Putivl uyezd (without the Krupetskaya volost), the Krenichansky volost of the Grayvoron district and two incomplete volosts of the Grayvoronsky and Belgorod districts. On April 1, 1926, the Semenov volost of the Novozybkovsky district of the Gomel province of the RSFSR was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR. Also in 1926, the Trinity parish of the Valuysky district of the Voronezh province was transferred to the Kupyansky district of the Ukrainian SSR

    Put my Donbass back in place! To Russia!!!
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 19 July 2016 05: 44
      +11
      I will give you the Donbass if you give me my USSR. laughing But this does not depend on the "childish" whims.
      1. captain
        captain 19 July 2016 08: 56
        +10
        The great Lenin distributed a lot of Russian land during the creation of the Soviet republics, moreover, together with the people. Read Lenin, in his works he very original proposed to solve territorial issues at the expense of the Russians. Autumn Lenin loved the Russian people and Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Read the classics of your beloved.
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 19 July 2016 11: 35
          +2
          Yeah ! Comrade Lenin. Stalin, Kaganovich and other crap did things ... One was in Russia the Holy Sovereign is normal. -Alexander III Aleksandrovich (1845-1894) - Emperor of the Russian Empire in 1881-1894. Here are his words turned gold !!! Russia has no friends. They are afraid of our vastness. We have only two reliable friends: the Russian army and the Russian fleet!
          Constitution! So that the Russian Tsar swore allegiance to some cattle. [1]

          I was not afraid of Turkish bullets and now I have to hide from the revolutionary underground in my country. [2] - said in 1881 when moving to Gatchina, where the emperor spent almost all of his reign.

          “In the whole world we have only 2 faithful allies,” he liked to say to his ministers: “our army and navy.” Everyone else, at the earliest opportunity, will gang themselves up against us. [2]
          And this is what Emperor Alexander III told me: - I am glad that I was at war and I saw all the horrors inevitably associated with the war, and after that I think that every person with a heart cannot desire war, and every ruler to whom God committed to the people, must take all measures to avoid the horrors of war. [3]

          When the Russian Emperor is fishing, Europe can wait. - World peace would be provided by the Russian Power under the scepter of Alexander III, whom outside of her in Europe was respected and feared. The proof that this was so was the following fact: during one of his favorite walks in the Finnish skerries, during the rest of Emperor Alexander III, a conflict arose in Europe on the basis of Algerisas, threatening to erupt in the dimensions of the First World War, and they were seriously the interests of our new ally, France, are affected. The Minister of Foreign Affairs considered it his duty to telegraph to the Imperial Apartment that the Emperor should interrupt his vacation and come to St. Petersburg to take part in the negotiations that took place over the outbreak of the conflict that threatened to go into armed conflict between the European Powers. When the contents of the telegram were reported to the Emperor, he, having listened calmly to it, ordered his Minister to answer literally as follows
    2. Al1977
      Al1977 19 July 2016 17: 22
      -2
      Quote: BLOND
      Put my Donbass back in place! To Russia!!!

      Come and we will receive you !!!! You yourself do not go !!!!
      1. Al1977
        Al1977 20 July 2016 09: 43
        0
        Quote: Al1977
        Quote: BLOND
        Put my Donbass back in place! To Russia!!!

        Come and we will receive you !!!! You yourself do not go !!!!

        for which 4 minuses, you want to enter into a dialogue or something, so that I would minus you. Why quietly do something like a rat.
  4. Pitot
    Pitot 19 July 2016 05: 02
    +16
    Khrushchev is the fifth column in the CPSU. We didn’t slam the nits in time, now we are reaping. Such people are now sitting in ministries, governors, mayors (almost peers, as they like power, and all the names are in English, what is the bad word for the mayor?). Then again we will swear that they have been playing tolerance for too long ....
    1. Beefeater
      Beefeater 19 July 2016 08: 27
      +6
      Quote: Pitot
      Khrushchev is the fifth column in the CPSU. We didn’t slam the nits in time, now we are reaping. Such people are now sitting in ministries, governors, mayors (almost peers, as they like power, and all the names are in English, what is the bad word for the mayor?). Then again we will swear that they have been playing tolerance for too long ....

      Khrushchev is the Secretary General and he was not alone. He had friends - friends and supporters. It was then called not the fifth column, but members of the Central Committee of the CPSU. Anyone who tried to resist fell into the KGB with the stigma of an anti-Soviet. This all taken together is the Soviet government and not the fifth column. Nobody consulted with the people. The Soviet government did not have such a habit
      1. captain
        captain 19 July 2016 08: 51
        -1
        I read the comments of some comrades and am surprised. Khrushev is the fifth column, Gorbachev is a traitor, and these people were the general secretaries of the CPSU. They were elected by all the communists, at congresses, plenums of the CPSU Central Committee, and Politburo meetings. It turns out that the CPSU was a party of traitors and the fifth column in the USSR. Citizens commenting on communists and adherents of Marxism-Leninism, you somehow choose expressions in your statements about the leaders of "the mind, honor and conscience of our era."
        1. uskrabut
          uskrabut 19 July 2016 10: 14
          +11
          everything is very simple - after the death of I.V. Stalin became unpopular to monitor the purity of party ranks, and by the 60s there was a selection of nomenclature workers, namely, the whole bastard had risen to the top, then more and more, and by the end of the 80s a very bad team had gathered at the top. Hence all the troubles of the Soviet Union, and its collapse.
          1. atakan
            atakan 19 July 2016 13: 14
            +3

            great example, albeit from the movie.
        2. cost 75
          cost 75 19 July 2016 10: 55
          +4
          Who is Gorbachev and Khrushchev, the mind, honor, and conscience of our era? Well, except for you.
        3. V.ic
          V.ic 19 July 2016 11: 48
          0
          Quote: captain
          Khrushev fifth column, Gorbachev a traitor, and after all these people were

          Come on tryndet ... At the height of the war, ALL the commanders of the fronts and fleets spoke in favor of the abdication of Nicholas II. They swore it to him, as Sovereign of the Russian Land. And you say the Communist Party ...
        4. Outsider V.
          Outsider V. 19 July 2016 22: 55
          0
          I repeat that, unlike Gorbachev, Khrushchev was not the Secretary General.
      2. uskrabut
        uskrabut 19 July 2016 10: 09
        -6
        Soviet power is the people by definition, why should the people consult with themselves laughing
      3. Outsider V.
        Outsider V. 19 July 2016 22: 53
        +1
        Khrushchev was never the Secretary General of the CPSU.

        He held the posts of First Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee and Chairman of the Council of Ministers.
  5. mervino2007
    mervino2007 19 July 2016 05: 25
    -7
    The mind cannot understand Russia ... But one can assume a "material" basis for such decisions. And who are the signatories from the RSFSR? What, just narrow-minded people? Where does this attitude come from?
  6. antiexpert
    antiexpert 19 July 2016 05: 37
    +8
    "And on what basis was the Crimean Peninsula transferred from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR in 1954?"
    And on the fact that Nikita Khrushchev’s hands were to the elbow in blood from the executions that he led during his reign in Ukraine during the repressions of the 30s of the USSR. So he gave the Crimea to the party bosses there, so that they wouldn’t speak out to him, to the corn brow)))
  7. sever.56
    sever.56 19 July 2016 05: 58
    +42
    https://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/288/kbwg692.png

    "Velikoukry" must be consistent in the fight against the "damned" Soviet past: - with what they came, let them leave!
    1. Altona
      Altona 19 July 2016 07: 43
      +6
      Quote: sever.56
      with what they came, so let them go!

      --------------------
      The Black Sea did not have to be dug up. It would be where to live. laughing
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 19 July 2016 11: 47
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        The Black Sea did not have to be dug up. It would be where to live



        By the way. involuntarily thought: why, if ancient Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea, then from ancient times it was called Russian ??? What do Ukrainian historiographers write and say about this?
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 19 July 2016 09: 53
      +22
      Quote: sever.56
      "Velikoukry" must be consistent in the fight against the "damned" Soviet past: - with what they came, let them leave!
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 19 July 2016 20: 29
      +1
      In 1922, even before the formation of the USSR, Kharkov was the capital of the Ukrainian SSR. Odessa, too, was already part of the Ukrainian SSR. But Lugansk and Yuzovka were transferred to the Ukrainian SSR from the RSFSR, if my memory serves me, in 1920.
    4. FM-78
      FM-78 20 July 2016 16: 59
      +1
      Here is such a sign should hang on the border posts with the outskirts.
  8. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 19 July 2016 06: 17
    +12
    Comrades, partels of the USSR, of course, this is gut, BUT .... The Russian Empire seemed to be before it, and the USSR became the legal successor of the Empire, just as in the year 91 of the Russian Federation, it became the legal successor of the USSR. The logical chain is as follows: Empire, USSR, RF ... where is there even a word about the country 404? What are their territories? What the hell are independence, historical lands and the legacy of these flawed ones, God forgive me for mentioning your name in a bitch ... Turn everything back, and entie miserables hang out within the historical territories of four regions, and even then not completely ... but then fucked up not by rank, these asshole-like primates ....
    1. Darkoff
      Darkoff 19 July 2016 07: 16
      +6
      Oh, if everything was so simple! The problem is that up to the years 60 ... 70s, the policy of Ukrainization of all areas donated by the Communists to the Ukrainian SSR was actively pursued. To:
      1) appease the then ukrov (as it turned out, this turned out to be a thankless task);
      2) to demonstrate to the world the "friendship of peoples" and their mutual penetration;
      3) to tie Ukraine closer to Russia.
      Well, the collapse of the USSR led to a split in Ukraine.
      Meditation:
      if at the time of its formation it would not have turned out to be one of the leading economies (again thanks to the communists) in the CIS, then in the 90s the separatism of the southeastern regions could well have had the form of Abkhazian or Transnistrian. But since then in Ukraine life is better than in the Russian Federation, then the people sat and did not rock the boat. And over the past 20 ... years, the Russians in Ukraine have been brainwashed so well that only the regions bordering the Russian Federation have retained the remnants of reason. The rest of the "Russian" regions were crushed by the Ukrainians quite successfully.
      The existence of present Ukraine and the current Ukrainian problem was initially to blame for the Communists, and then the liberals reinforced this problem with their tolerance.
    2. M0xHaTka
      M0xHaTka 19 July 2016 08: 42
      +5
      If you have already touched upon such ancient times, then let's recall the beginning of the title of the Russian sovereign - "the sovereign of the Great, Small and White Rus". That is, actually Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.
      Another matter is HOW Ukraine has joined this title. Getzman Khmelnitsky was such an utter prostitute that Judas envies with fierce envy. For such a short period, SO many times to sell their native country with the army - this must be able to. Well, Mikhalych Silent is not called meekness ...
      1. MSL
        MSL 19 July 2016 12: 13
        +5
        Quote: M0xHaTka
        If you have already touched upon such ancient times, then let's recall the beginning of the title of the Russian sovereign - Small and White Rus ". That is, in fact, Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.
        Another matter is HOW Ukraine has joined this title. Getzman Khmelnitsky was such an utter prostitute that Judas envies with fierce envy. For such a short period, SO many times to sell their native country with an army - this must be able to. Well Mikhalych Silent is not called meekness ..


        "Little Russia" - Little Russia, but not Ukraine.
    3. Alex777
      Alex777 19 July 2016 11: 08
      +1
      Quote: Shiva83483
      Comrades, partels of the USSR, of course, this is gut, BUT .... The Russian Empire seemed to be before it, and the USSR became the legal successor of the Empire, just as in the year 91 of the Russian Federation, it became the legal successor of the USSR. The logical chain is as follows: Empire, USSR, RF ... where is there even a word about the country 404? What are their territories? What the hell are independence, historical lands and the legacy of these flawed ones, God forgive me for mentioning your name in a bitch ... Turn everything back, and entie miserables hang out within the historical territories of four regions, and even then not completely ... but then fucked up not by rank, these asshole-like primates ....

      No matter how the USSR became the successor of Russia.
      "Comrade" Lenin refused to pay the obligations.
      Counted on the World Revolution.
      Therefore, Alaska was not returned, as it should have, to the United States.
      And a lot of other things happened therefore ...
      1. Outsider V.
        Outsider V. 19 July 2016 23: 00
        0
        What Alaska should the US return? belay
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 19 July 2016 23: 59
          +2
          And silently. They, bastards, drowned a steamer with gold for Alaska, and as if not aisles.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 19 July 2016 06: 22
    +4
    If, in 90, they said that the Russian Federation is the assignee of the USSR, RI .. for debts and property .. then it’s time to return, what previously belonged ..
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 19 July 2016 08: 19
      -4
      Do not confuse. The assignee of the USSR is not in the sense of territories, but international obligations and debts that the USSR had.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 19 July 2016 10: 06
        +6
        And I don’t have a word in my comment about the territory ... But everything will return to normal ... neither tomorrow, nor the day after tomorrow, not in 10 years .. but it will return ..
  10. tommy717
    tommy717 19 July 2016 06: 29
    +1
    That's right, and Pshekland and Suomiland also back. True, first create the prerequisites for themselves to want and Russophobia squeezed out of themselves.
    1. Beefeater
      Beefeater 19 July 2016 08: 32
      -1
      Quote: tommy717
      That's right, and Pshekland and Suomiland also back.

      In what sense in the ass? Is that what I thought?
    2. Beefeater
      Beefeater 19 July 2016 08: 32
      -2
      Quote: tommy717
      That's right, and Pshekland and Suomiland also back.

      In what sense in the ass? Is that what I thought?
      1. nadezhiva
        nadezhiva 19 July 2016 10: 03
        +2
        Beefeater, despite the minuses, your thoughts are more correct than that of tommy717.
  11. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 19 July 2016 06: 33
    0
    Quote: parusnik
    If, in 90, they said that the Russian Federation is the assignee of the USSR, RI .. for debts and property .. then it’s time to return, what previously belonged ..

    Of course it is possible, but the scratchers took sovereignty as much as they wanted, vilified, and now again, back with the ruined economies and brainwashed by chauvinists back ??? I don’t know about you, but I, like that Baba Yaga - against it!
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 19 July 2016 07: 54
      +1
      They themselves will return, with the words: Mom, take us back, got lost, breathed in freedom ... to nausea ...
      1. kuz363
        kuz363 19 July 2016 08: 17
        +1
        They will be happy to return. But will it be better than Russia when 40 million mouths go to the Russian budget? Will Ukraine also give international debts to Ukraine? Wonderful!!!
        1. Beefeater
          Beefeater 19 July 2016 08: 34
          -1
          Quote: kuz363
          They will be happy to return. But will it be better than Russia when 40 million mouths go to the Russian budget? Will Ukraine also give international debts to Ukraine? Wonderful!!!

          No one bothers about such nonsense on the VO site.
        2. parusnik
          parusnik 19 July 2016 10: 13
          +6
          And this is how it goes ... the process .. Usually they say there is no body, no business .. no country, no debt ..
        3. Al1977
          Al1977 19 July 2016 17: 27
          +2
          But will it be better than Russia when 40 million mouths go to the Russian budget? Will Ukraine also give international debts to Ukraine? Wonderful!!!

          Nothing, in 41m stood and did not pass. This is what distinguishes us from THEM. We are different. Main Brotherhood, Conscience and Honor !!!
        4. Lyubopyatov
          Lyubopyatov 20 July 2016 01: 41
          +2
          And 80 million hands, or 40 million pairs. And tens of millions of smart heads. After the World War, everyone will become smart and hardworking.
  12. populist
    populist 19 July 2016 06: 55
    +6
    All of Ukraine is an artificial entity, a huge ethnopolitical mistake when a new people was created from an isolated part of the Russian people. Can you imagine what a state with a population of 200 miles would be if it were not for these two mistakes, Ukraine and Belarus fellow .
  13. Scud
    Scud 19 July 2016 07: 16
    +19
    I fully admit that with the collapse of dill, part of the regions in the east will be pro-Russian, the regions in the west will be pro-Polish and Hungarian.
    How ashamed of Ukraine
    The country of ov slaves!
    The country where every cattle
    Ready to serve Bendera!
    A country with an outstretched hand
    What forgives, who will serve
    A country where new heroes
    bandit, fascist and pederast!
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 19 July 2016 20: 32
      +1
      The Russophobic-minded part of the population of Western Ukraine, however, is neither pro-Polish, nor pro-Slovak, nor pro-Hungarian, nor pro-Romanian.
  14. cost 75
    cost 75 19 July 2016 07: 40
    +2
    Yes, there is almost everything ours. They were given lands by all the kings and the Soviet government.
  15. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 19 July 2016 07: 46
    +1
    We would bring order to ourselves.
    Then the rest will reach us.
  16. Fagelov
    Fagelov 19 July 2016 07: 49
    +1
    Quote: Pitot
    Khrushchev is the fifth column in the CPSU. We didn’t slam the nits in time, now we are reaping. Such people are now sitting in ministries, governors, mayors (almost peers, as they like power, and all the names are in English, what is the bad word for the mayor?). Then again we will swear that they have been playing tolerance for too long ....
    And for me, the CPSU is the fifth column in Russian history.
  17. Nicola Bari
    Nicola Bari 19 July 2016 07: 50
    +5
    All these slogans about the transfer in honor of the great friendship of peoples seem to me only an excuse to weaken the RSFSR as part of the Soviet state, including in favor of modern Ukraine; in the end, we now have the joyless consequences of Russia's territorial losses from these administrative games, covered in words about the friendship of peoples.
  18. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 19 July 2016 08: 11
    +2
    Do we have rulers wild and illiterate?
    And if not, then why the hell has the process of returning territories not yet begun? No specialist lawyers? Duc iPhone, like, a lawyer ... Although it is silly to trust this collective farm.
    It’s interesting, all the same - everyone shouts that the rotten rot-Khrushch Crimea passed legally illegally, that the USSR was ruined illegally, now Putivl, etc ... Well, why the hell does our power keep languages ​​in the anus? Why doesn’t it initiate the return of territories, even on paper? Let them justify, prove, but it is always possible to return at the opportunity. Ugh, sick of this EP, LADY & bunch.
  19. akyb1975
    akyb1975 19 July 2016 08: 12
    -6
    At the beginning of your aligarchs, put in place not 10% of taxes on profits 40% of the wages of workers 3000 dollars normal health care roads to throw out all migrant workers who from the states are anti-Russian
    1. cost 75
      cost 75 19 July 2016 09: 59
      +6
      I did not know that in Belarus the salary of hard workers from 3000 bucks begins
    2. Al1977
      Al1977 19 July 2016 17: 29
      -2
      Quote: akyb1975
      Put in place your aligarchs

      You are behind the times !!! All set for a long time !!! Everyone in state corporations and state banks work !!!!
      Others on public procurement, all in action!
      1. Al1977
        Al1977 19 July 2016 17: 58
        0
        Quote: Al1977
        Quote: akyb1975
        Put in place your aligarchs

        You are behind the times !!! All set for a long time !!! Everyone in state corporations and state banks work !!!!
        Others on public procurement, all in action!

        What m and z b minus quietly ?? !!!
  20. kuz363
    kuz363 19 July 2016 08: 15
    +4
    Well, Yeltsin, drunk, did not remember the Crimea in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. But the deputies of the Supreme Council, who approved this agreement on the collapse of the USSR, were also all drunk and no one remembered this incident? Or would you like to like Bor and get your piece of cake? And there were 300-400 people !!! So the people who chose such deputies and the president are to blame.
    1. Cro-Magnon
      Cro-Magnon 20 July 2016 04: 56
      +2
      Specify plz which Supreme Council "approved the collapse of the USSR" !? This is fundamentally important! According to the Constitution of the USSR, the final point on this issue was to be put by the CONGRESS OF PEOPLE'S DEPUTIES OF THE USSR! I don’t remember that this was in December 1991 ...
  21. X Y Z
    X Y Z 19 July 2016 08: 18
    +2
    Quote: tommy717
    That's right, and Pshekland and Suomiland also back. True, first create the prerequisites for themselves to want and Russophobia squeezed out of themselves.


    Well, why do you need this? Want to ruin Russia faster? With the Poles, we already have a centuries-old experience of cohabitation, and he showed that it is impossible to reason them with a carrot or a whip. Even if you purely theoretically etch Russophobia from them, this does not guarantee loyal (not even friendly) behavior in the future, and you certainly won’t force them to love yourself. And what do we still lack in our own hemorrhoids in the country?
  22. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 19 July 2016 08: 19
    +11
    I’m being schooled, but I’ll write ...

    As if Crimea is the only territory that at one time was cut off from the RSFSR and transferred to Ukrainian “use”.


    That's right ... That's right. However, the Belovezhskaya agreement was signed by the first recognized president of the Russian Federation and under these agreements (at least) Russia-Ukraine-Belarus separated from the borders at the time of signing the agreement.

    http://ria.ru/spravka/20111208/508143773.html

    Maybe it’s worth paying attention to the stupidity first of all of the Russian Federation’s own leaders. And emphasize the existence of the agreements of 1991, which not only wrote off huge territories to neighbors, but also de facto confirmed the controversial decisions of 1954.

    Not Khrushchev, but YELTSIN GIVED TO CRIMEA.
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander 19 July 2016 11: 06
      +8
      Quote: IrbenWolf
      the Bialowieza agreement was signed by the first recognized president of the Russian Federation and under these agreements (at least) Russia-Ukraine-Belarus separated from the borders at the time of signing the agreement.


      Yes, not quite like that:

      SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

      DECISION
      from 21 May 1992 year number 2809-I

      ON THE LEGAL ASSESSMENT OF DECISIONS OF THE HIGHER AUTHORITIES OF THE STATE AUTHORITY OF THE RSFSR TO CHANGE THE STATUS OF CRIMEA ADOPTED IN THE 1954 YEAR

      The Supreme Council of the Russian Federation decides:
      1. Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR of February 5 1954 of the year “On the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR»As adopted in violation of the Constitution (Basic Law) of the RSFSR and the legislative procedure recognize not having legal force from the moment of adoption.
      1. Irbenwolf
        Irbenwolf 19 July 2016 13: 38
        0
        8 декабря 1991 года Russia, Belarus and Ukraine signed the Agreement on the Creation of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS). This act went down in history as the "Belovezhskaya Agreement".

        12th of December 1991 The agreement was ratified by the Supreme Council of the RSFSR.

        These dates are somewhat earlier than May 21, 1992.

        Even, as the successor of the USSR, the decree of the RF Armed Forces in 1992 was not valid, because the USSR ceased to exist as agreements on the CIS and their ratification.
        1. Cro-Magnon
          Cro-Magnon 20 July 2016 05: 05
          +1
          What a legally literate vee! And what kind of states are "sovereign" like Russia, Ukraine, Belarus ... that they sign some kind of agreement on the CIS, where did they come from on December 8, 1991? Who signed this Belovezhskaya scribble ?! On the basis of what articles of the constitution of the USSR and the constitutions of the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR, the BSSR was that what you "specified" about here was carried out !?
          1. Irbenwolf
            Irbenwolf 20 July 2016 08: 26
            0
            Is the ability to understand dates draws on legal diploma?

            I am not aware of the intricacies of the constitution of the USSR, but there was a clause on the right to self-determination in it. The Bialowieza agreements de facto became a statement on the withdrawal of the 3 most important subjects from the USSR, especially the RSFSR. And the fact that the other 9 subsidized republics did not find shelter for the Union of Desires is not surprising.

            In fact, with the connivance of the supreme power, a parallel shadow government matured in the USSR and by August 1991, it was stronger than the allied authorities. The unwillingness to spill blood in August 1991 was just the last nail in the coffin lid (I am now talking about the abstract retention of power) We all saw the same picture in 2014 in Kiev. The weak (not having the will and desire to do anything) president is incapable of making a strong-willed decision ... the siloviki are afraid of responsibility and do not want to do anything themselves - they prefer to keep warm places and "be with the people."

            Therefore, the Bialowieza agreements are now recognized as competent, being essentially illegal. But who now recalls this? Only not the most popular Communist Party.

            However, this does not change the culprit of territorial losses.
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  23. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 19 July 2016 08: 40
    +2
    Quote: Stauffenberg
    We would bring order to ourselves.
    Then the rest will reach us.


    Prostitute logic, "I will give money then." A friend is the one who enters your house when everyone leaves it

    Appreciate those who are together in grief and joy. And since you suggest: we will make the road, a good salary, we will deal with corruption, world-class medicine, etc., and so on, and then the neighbors will stretch to. We will work and we are working now, and they will reach for everything that is ready, and not go to them in that case for ... and on.
  24. Arkan
    Arkan 19 July 2016 08: 54
    +4
    Part of the Lugansk region, the land of the Great Don Army, as well as the land of the Siberian Cossack Army, must be returned to Russia. In general, all the territories once handed out by the Bolsheviks need to be returned.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 19 July 2016 17: 31
      +1
      Quote: Arkan
      Part of the Lugansk region, the land of the Great Don Army, as well as the land of the Siberian Cossack Army, must be returned to Russia. In general, all the territories once handed out by the Bolsheviks need to be returned.

      I agree, it's time to send "polite people" in all directions, to collect land. And who is not with us ... "so you can't get it to anyone" to wipe off the face of the earth. Respect only for strength and Justice in this World !!!
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 19 July 2016 17: 59
        +2
        Quote: Al1977
        Respect only power and Justice in this World !!!

        What is "justice"? Here Paulus said that she is not in the world. request
  25. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 19 July 2016 09: 08
    +1
    Laws are written by people, today alone, tomorrow others. And the country is represented and signed by documents often insignificants denounced by the authorities (such as our EBNa). It is possible (I emphasize it is possible) the act of leaving Crimea from Ukraine is not entirely legal, taking into account the signed documents in 1991 by the EBN, but it is certainly fair and meets the aspirations of the population living there. I am for justice, even if it is contrary to some laws.
  26. edigs
    edigs 19 July 2016 09: 22
    +4
    Am I still a mystery? Why the whole of the RSFSR at one time was not transferred to the Ukrainian SSR?
  27. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 19 July 2016 09: 37
    +4
    Either we have a lot of land, or are there little brains of our rulers? No wonder I.V.
    sent pests to build a channel, and they would have found a lot of work now.
  28. buywol
    buywol 19 July 2016 09: 41
    +5
    Quote: scud
    I fully admit that with the collapse of dill, part of the regions in the east will be pro-Russian

    Publicist.ru - So who killed Novorossia? It's time to name the killers by name!
    http://publizist.ru/blogs/108265/13741/-
    Those for the Russian world, for Novorossia, in 2014 they took up arms left their home and went to defend their identity, did not submit to the junta with the right-wingers. And the rest are waiting for someone to do everything for them, come and release.
  29. Lyubopyatov
    Lyubopyatov 19 July 2016 11: 49
    +1
    "From Putivl to the Carpathians" is the title of a documentary book about the heroic campaign of SA Kovpak's partisan unit during the Great Patriotic War.
  30. Naum
    Naum 19 July 2016 12: 23
    +3
    Quote: captain
    The CPSU was a party of traitors and a fifth column in the USSR.

    So you told the TRUTH! The CPSU (b), having become the CPSU, turned into a clan of bureaucratic nomenklatura and unprincipled demagogues. There were 17 million of them on the eve of the collapse of the USSR, but NOBODY went out to protest! What other arguments are needed? Definitely - THE PARTY OF TRAITORS! By the way - I have never been in it for an hour. Said he was "unworthy" ...
  31. Forever so
    Forever so 19 July 2016 12: 35
    +1
    In general, the creation of republics within the USSR was a mine under the USSR itself. And there is an opinion that Stalin was killed because he decided to abolish the republics and, accordingly, the party and economic bodies of these republics. And the transfer of Russian lands to the republics is simply an opportunity to gnaw off as many territories from Russia as possible. And the concentration of industrial potential in the territories intended for tearing away is a direct betrayal of Russia. If the Anglo-Saxons were not in a hurry with the new division of the world and did not set Hitler against the USSR. That most likely there would have been no purges of 37 years, respectively, Stalin would have been opposed by close-knit liberal lawyers of all stripes and the USSR would have been destroyed lounging precisely in the republics. The bodies and party and economic are arranged, there is industry, comrades from the center threw a fellow countryman, so why is this Russia to local tsars ??
    1. amtop
      amtop 19 July 2016 13: 01
      +2
      The land is sold out in Russia itself ... for what did our grandfathers fight? .. for this? ..
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 19 July 2016 20: 41
      +1
      Stalin was not going to liquidate the republics. He was one of the founders of the Soviet nationality policy, one of the organizers of the creation of autonomous republics within the RSFSR. And although he initially advocated the entry of the "independent" Soviet republics (Ukraine, Belarus, TSFSR) into the RSFSR, then, after criticism from Lenin, he abandoned this idea and began to advocate the creation of the USSR. And Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan in 1936 received the status of union republics on his initiative. And even earlier, he supported the "enlargement" of Belarus, and the liquidation of the Turkestan ASSR.
  32. amtop
    amtop 19 July 2016 12: 58
    +1
    All this is nonsense .. to a dead poultice .. Russia is silent at the official level .. as well as in Northern Kazakhstan .. there are more lands than in Crimea or Ukraine, lands are transferred ..
  33. leytenant
    leytenant 19 July 2016 14: 21
    0
    Greetings! These topics will never lose their relevance, although they are actually simple to the point. Unfortunately for us, we can only state the fact - to reach for the strongest, but scatter from the weak. The Russian empire grew over the centuries for centuries, waging a series of ongoing wars. Our country was a real force on the Eurasian continent. It was a natural process. As soon as the empire collapsed, the processes of decentralization of power began to gain momentum with all the consequences, Russia at least remained within its current borders, and this could not have happened ...
    Conclusion: you need to become the strongest in the economy, finance, and the military sphere, and then "brothers" with outstretched hands will again line up, ready to discuss any conditions.
  34. bandabas
    bandabas 19 July 2016 16: 24
    +1
    Yes, it was just a great state. Remember the movie "Buratino"? - "USSR"!
  35. Old warrior
    Old warrior 19 July 2016 17: 14
    +1
    It is high time to restore Historical Justice!
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 19 July 2016 17: 33
      0
      Quote: Old Warrior
      It is high time to restore Historical Justice!

      Old warrior, you still come in handy! Help our brothers in hot spots, old people and children will not forget you !!!!
  36. slavick1969
    slavick1969 19 July 2016 17: 58
    -1
    We will not see Ukraine anymore in our squad, sorry about this
  37. Phosgene
    Phosgene 19 July 2016 20: 28
    +2
    Ukraine became part of Russia in 1654, within the borders of 1654, and should leave precisely in them ...
  38. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 19 July 2016 20: 50
    +2
    With all due respect to the glorious past of the Soviet Union, I am more and more inclined to think that the very idea of ​​creating the USSR was not the best idea of ​​the Bolsheviks. Why was the RSFSR bad as a federal state and a subject of international law? Had Stalin been more persistent in upholding the "autonomization" plan, there might not have been 1991. Even if, in the worst-case scenario, the collapse of the Communist Party and the growth of nationalism on the outskirts could not have been avoided, we would have lost much less territory anyway compared to what happened in 1991. And the issue of secession would be decided with each territory individually, on the terms of Russia.
  39. Antiprogressor
    Antiprogressor 20 July 2016 06: 29
    +1
    THE USSR ! Vladimir Lenin planted a bomb under Russia! December 30, 1922 - a tragedy!
    1. Irbenwolf
      Irbenwolf 20 July 2016 08: 41
      +1
      Lenin's goal was not Russia, and within the framework of the monolithic state which was the "union" of the SSR, it was all the same how the borders pass within it. For Lenin, the USSR was the beginning and only had the ability to expand, like the current "caliphate" from IS.

      Lenin may have lent a bomb, but the Russian fist’s son, Yeltsin, was stinging at the detonator, completely unprepared for the consequences of his idiotic misconduct.
  40. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 20 July 2016 08: 34
    0
    Quote: Al1977
    Quote: Arkan
    Part of the Lugansk region, the land of the Great Don Army, as well as the land of the Siberian Cossack Army, must be returned to Russia. In general, all the territories once handed out by the Bolsheviks need to be returned.

    I agree, it's time to send "polite people" in all directions, to collect land. And who is not with us ... "so you can't get it to anyone" to wipe off the face of the earth. Respect only power and Justice in this World !!!


    The Germans in the 30s fairly fairly reasoned that they did not have much land. Only here with respect for this German justice by our grandfathers-great-grandfathers, somehow it did not work out ...
  41. koralvit
    koralvit 20 July 2016 15: 48
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    Demanding the return of the primordially Russian lands must be loud, but not in order to return, but to shut up Svidomo's mouth. How much they received from Russia, and now they bark, or rather squeal like a puppy. The people of Ukraine have not yet said their word, the hymn says "has not died yet." Let's hope that the young Nazi shoots (Maidan jumpers) will receive their assessment from the Ukrainian people.
  42. kindral1976
    kindral1976 20 July 2016 18: 31
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    Good article. The monument is a pity. Former partisans and Komsomol leaders are at war with communism.
  43. antivirus
    antivirus 20 July 2016 20: 56
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    read "car disputes" with 10 pieces and:
    1.proval in the device needs in the Kremlin
    2. to eliminate the failures of the needy in the Kyrgyz Republic, copy them to the Crimea (small letters to compare with the Kyrgyz Republic)
    3 wait for the result of 10-15 years to the south of Ukraine (compare the choir of the need of the Crimea and Odessa- Dnepropetr - Mariupol region)
    4 wait another 10--15 years for the result of the right-bank Ukrainian (compare the choir of Nuzhniki Crimea and the south Ukrainian with the right-bank Ukrainian)
    For all 20-30 years, then we will restore the path "from the Varangians to the Greeks"
    The strategic victory is not from the needy on the right bank of the Ukrainian, but from copying the Kremlin to Lake Baikal and Vorkuta on-- changing the state of aggregation of the entire Russian people. reaching a new level of quality
    By machine guns, the yachts remain at the old level of development, while we are at the level of the USA, EU, Japan, mother (and China already ??) or we are not very far behind.
    And we don’t need Ukrainians then
    And where to get people of Russian culture and mentality? - for Putivl
  44. PValery53
    PValery53 25 July 2016 22: 23
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    Putivl district (county) of the Kursk province (region) - sounds like a balm for the soul.
  45. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 1 August 2016 17: 57
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    Yesaaaa! As the saying goes: "Wonderful are thy works, O Lord!" Themselves (our ancestors!) Have done it, and now we understand, or rather, we are trying to figure out who is right and who is wrong. The state system in the Russian Empire was delivered much better than in the USSR (there were provinces) - the crown of creation! But V.V. Zhirnovsky - foresightedly foreseeing the current situation, proposed to abandon the republican division and return to all the same GOVERNMENTS! All these republics are a time bomb and, oddly enough, the majority understands this, but only the local "kings" and "effective managers" of the current shitty government also understand well that "it is easier to fish in troubled waters."
  46. Galan
    Galan 1 August 2016 19: 27
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    In 1917, the border of the Don Army Region passed along the Kalmius River. The territory east of the river never belonged to Ukraine. There was no such country — the Bolsheviks drew.
  47. sk3766
    sk3766 12 August 2016 20: 21
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    Rather, pick up from Dryukain and return to Russia Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa. Let it be Plato, ege, promissory notes, rotenbergs, if only without a bander.
  48. PValery53
    PValery53 14 August 2016 19: 52
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    Well, fuck, twirl, Ukrainians, Putivl county back to the Kursk province, to Russia!
  49. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 26 September 2016 21: 12
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    The main thing is that he is ours, the rest is a matter of time