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The dragon said the dragon showed ...

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It is difficult today to write about the Chinese tactics of international affairs. It is already generally accepted that in almost all conflicts, anywhere in the world, Russia is always to blame. Less often - the United States, and even then, depending on the point of view of the beholder. And never China. In any more or less significant conflict, political scientists, experts, journalists and others find an American or Russian trace. And Chinese? Even if it is, always this footprint is a nondescript, poorly pronounced. For the press uninteresting.


The dragon said the dragon showed ...


Such an attitude towards China has been preserved since the time of the "great opposition of the systems," since the times of the USSR and the USA, as two leaders of the fate of the world. Yes, there is such a country. Yes, every fourth citizen of the world is Chinese. Yes, China itself has almost unlimited human resources. Yes, the Chinese diasporas in any country of the world, especially the Chinese, and then the citizens of the country where they live. But China is not deciding anything in this world ...

The stamps that are absorbed by the majority of modern politicians with their mother's milk remain to this day central to the PRC. But the world has changed a long time ago!

Most of the world's news agencies reported, with varying degrees of importance, that the People’s Republic of China had ignored the decision of international arbitration. The one that was created through the mediation of the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague.

The essence of the conflict between the PRC and other countries of the region, in this particular case with the Philippines, is in territorial claims to islands and atolls in the South China Sea.

There are groups of islands that are currently claimed by several states.

Thus, China and Vietnam conquer the Paracel Islands; Spratly Archipelago - Vietnam, China, Malaysia, the Philippines and Brunei; Scarborough Reef - Philippines and China. Prior to the beginning of the 20 century, by the way, there were no territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

The water area of ​​the sea is of strategic importance: approximately 40% of world trade traffic passes through these sea routes, as well as through the Strait of Malacca, and transports up to 80% of Chinese imports of oil and gas.

At the beginning of the 70 of the last century, significant hydrocarbon reserves were found in the immediate vicinity of the islands. According to US experts, they make 11 billion barrels of oil and 5,9 trillion. cubic meters of gas. According to Chinese scientists, 230 billion barrels of oil and 16 trillion cubic meters of gas lie in the depths of the South China Sea.

It is in the spirit of the present. While the islands peacefully "lay" outside the sea routes from somewhere somewhere, until minerals were found on the islands (in this case hydrocarbons) nobody needed them.

And, accordingly, as soon as the islands themselves or the coastal waters began to promise profits, a feeling of patriotism awoke. Immediately at all. China, Philippines, Vietnam. Japan ... That's where you need to learn patriotism. Although ... In the northern latitudes today, too, the "patriots" woke up enough.

But back to the topic. Most readers do not even represent these most controversial "islands". That is why I will quote ITAR-TASS.

"The Spratly Islands (whale. - Nansha, Vietnam. - Chyongsa) stretch in a chain in the southern part of the sea between the Philippines, Vietnam, China and the island of Borneo. Their length is about 595 km. The islands start 402 km south of Vietnam and end at 169 km north of Borneo. The archipelago zone is not precisely defined. The largest atolls and coral reefs in the Spratly constitute more than a hundred, in total, according to some sources, in the archipelago there are about 200 islands and reefs.

The Paracel Islands (China. - Xisha, Vietnam. - Hoangsa) and Zhongsha are located in 200 km southeast of the Chinese island of Hainan and in 300 km east of the coast of Vietnam. The archipelago consists of 15 islands, as well as reefs and shoals located on the territory of 46 thousand square meters. km within a radius of approximately 100 km. Its length from west to east is 180 km, and from north to south is 170 km, the total area of ​​the islands is about 3 square. km

Scarborough Reef (China. Huangyan) - small areas of land rising above the water and forming a triangle-shaped lagoon at the perimeter of 46 km. The reef area along with the lagoon - 150 square. km The nearest land is the Philippines, located in 220 km east of Scarborough. "


And now, when the card is at hand, it becomes clear the desire of everyone and everything to prove their "historical the right "to own islands. Territories that make it possible not only to control trade routes, but also to extract a lot of marine fauna, hydrocarbons and other minerals.

And, as you can see, the area of ​​the territory has nothing to do with it. Much more important is the shelf.

The first is the perspectivity of these territories noted by China. It was the Chinese who first began to look at the "ownerless" territories with lust. "Dragon" saw the prey. And then, with perseverance and efficiency peculiar to the Chinese, the PRC began to explore the islands.

In the spring of 2012, Chinese border guards detained a group of Vietnamese fishermen who, according to Beijing, were engaged in illegal fishing in the Paracel Islands.

Since 16 May 2012, China has imposed a ban on fishing in some areas of the water area of ​​the disputed islands.

In June, the 2012 of the year, the PRC government raised the status of the Xisha and Nansha Islands from a county level to a county within the Chinese province of Hainan.

At the end of June 2012, China announced its intention to hold an international tender for the exploration of oil and gas in the waters of the Spratly and Paracel Islands. Vietnam demanded to denounce the tender.

At the end of 2012, two PRC patrol boats prevented the Philippine side from arresting Chinese fishermen whose boats were located near the Scarborough Reef. Following this incident, the Philippines filed a complaint against China with the Permanent Court of Arbitration.

In May 2013, the China National Offshore Oil and Gas Corporation completed the construction in the South China Sea of ​​Asia’s largest offshore deepwater gas platform in Asia.

Since the end of 2013, Beijing has been conducting large-scale hydrotechnical and construction work in the South China Sea to create artificial islands, as well as to expand and develop these territories.

17 March 2016 in Beijing announced that they would plant about half a million trees on disputed islands.

28 May 2016 of the year China has placed drones on one of the disputed islands.

1 June Beijing announced that it would create its own identification air defense zone over the South China Sea, which will be extended to all the disputed islands controlled by the PRC.

9 July 2016 The People’s Liberation Army of China conducted military exercises in the South China Sea, involving surface ships, submarines, military aircraft and coast guard forces.

10 July 2016, China announced the creation of four lighthouses on the reefs of the South China Sea and the construction of the fifth. "

As stated at the beginning of the article, China ignored the decision of international arbitration. Well, their right. We agree that there may be a body that will stand over the judicial authorities of countries. There must be a court for those who no longer believe in the judicial system of their own state. But...

Probably, any reader now remembered the decisions of this court itself. Enough information about such decisions is made constantly. The Hague arbitration is positioned as an arbitration court, not capable of error. A sort of "gentlemen gods" in robes. Well, we remember everything that is connected with the YUKOS case, which could not fail to call in that according to the image of the country, that according to the budget.

And China openly spat on this court! So what? What is the reaction of the "international community"?

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the PRC refused to recognize the court’s decision and stated that it would not affect the sovereignty and interests of China in this region. According to the position of the Foreign Ministry, Beijing will under no circumstances accept the resolution of territorial disputes and the delimitation of maritime borders by third parties.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said that the decision of international arbitration was even tougher, calling it "a political farce fabricated under the guise of the law."

According to the Foreign Minister, Manila’s goal was not to resolve the territorial disputes with Beijing, but to violate the sovereignty of the PRC and damage its interests in the South China Sea.

Chinese President Xi Jinping also voiced China’s position on this issue during a meeting with European Council President Donald Tusk and European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, who arrived in Beijing on an official visit.

The foreign affairs agencies of Vietnam and the Philippines welcomed the decision of the Permanent Court of Arbitration. Of course, it would be strange to wait for a different reaction.

The Japanese Foreign Ministry expressed the hope that the verdict will be fully implemented and will lead to the peaceful settlement of maritime disputes in this region.

The head of the press service of the US Department of State, John Kirby, said that the US administration considers the decision of international arbitration to be an important contribution to the achievement of the common goal of peaceful settlement of disputes in the region.

As you can see, the reaction is virtually none! It is terrible to react when dealing with a serious opponent. Scare China? Who decides on this? NATO? Where is it? USA? They can ... two days ... And then only the teleportation of ships and military men to the region will save the Americans. Russia? Do we need this?

Thus, for the first time in its history, Western countries are faced with the fact that the beautifully created and publicized system of "European justice" is backed up by zilch. That zilch that was and will be just nothing ... The whole circus with the "right" and other "legal science" successfully crumbles immediately after the fist just shown. Or, more precisely, a well-known combination of a fist and a middle finger.

China has shown everyone what this justice system is. Who does she work for and is supported by. He showed, knowing full well that the West in general and the United States in particular, will now look for opportunities to "punish" the stubborn. Military way? There are no fools. On its territory, the Chinese are rolling NATO and all the hangers-on smoothly and quickly.

Economic sanctions? Forward, under the anthem of any of the NATO countries. China, these sanctions are simply necessary. To the signs in the factories change. Euroamerican to Chinese. The rest is not necessary to change.

And it is worth remembering that the communists from time immemorial were able to "take away and share in justice." And it is unlikely that the Chinese Communists are somehow different from others in this regard. They are confiscated and nationalized with pleasure, as bequeathed by the great creators of communism.

To put pressure on morals? Funny The Chinese are confident that the islands belong to the PRC for thousands of years ... And nobody is even trying to prove the opposite today.

The main thing we need to think about today is what is behind the power of NATO and the United States. Is she at all, this power. Why do we have to play by the rules that we did not come up with? But, most importantly, we are not constantly changing too. Should I repeat the mantra about the pan-European house? Should I take care of other citizens at the expense of their own?

Once upon a time, Ivan Andreevich Krylov described the verdict that the winner pronounced in the same situation: “You are guilty only of what I want to eat ...”

After each war, international law is rewritten. So it is no longer hundreds, but thousands of years. And write new international laws winners. But it so happened that we ourselves lost our country. Lost the status of winners. But we are descendants of the winners. It’s harder to lose yourself than a country. And someone decided that, having killed the country, they killed the heirs of the winners.

The Chinese showed us by example who is who in this world. Who are the winners, if you want. Yes, their ancestors made perhaps a smaller contribution to the victory, But they are winners. Maybe you should learn?

Problems with hydrocarbons over the years will only increase. Like other problems of the modern world. So, more and more often we will hear about the territorial claims of states. And increasingly, decisions will not be made by the “gods” of the European arbitration courts. Do we need it?

Only in one aspect: if we, that is, Russia, make decisions without looking at the rotten Europe and its overseas host. By analogy with China, but in its own style.
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  1. Titanumide
    Titanumide 14 July 2016 06: 28
    +42
    Plus to the author and the Chinese
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 14 July 2016 06: 49
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      As I understand it, the decision of the court went to the Chinese not as a plus, but just as a minus.
      1. domokl
        domokl 14 July 2016 06: 57
        +60
        Not sure. Yesterday, China rather harshly advised the US to "think hard" on this issue. And this sounded after the speech of John Kirby, in which he quite categorically stated that failure to comply with the decision would be "a violation of international law."
        Simply put, the PRC has sent the United States far and for long.
        1. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer 14 July 2016 11: 36
          +20
          Quote: domokl
          Simply put, the PRC has sent the United States far and for long.


          China sent the United States far - not a pair of bare reefs, but a devaluation of the yuan from 6,35 to 6,65 yuan per dollar - This threatens the United States (China’s main trading partner) with multibillion-dollar losses - cheaper goods from China will crowd out the US, which will lead to an even greater imbalance in foreign trade.
          The currency war is a much more serious blow to the United States.

          All Obama’s visits to Beijing were connected precisely with the negotiations on the ratio of yuan / dollar.

          Yuan has become a very serious lever in world trade.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 14 July 2016 19: 45
            +28
            Yesterday I just wrote about it.
            Everything was fine until recently. There were sluggish conversations over controversial Taiwan; along the Malacca Strait, China transported up to 80% of all its exports (read along the South-Kit. Sea). But as soon as the United States declared China to be its adversary, pirates appeared and the systematic exercises of the NATO Navy and allies in the region began. As a result, systematic overlapping of the strait and sea lanes in the southwest began sea. Is it like shutting off gas transit through Ukraine to Russia, remember gas wars? Then, China (like the Russian Federation on gas) began to search:
            1. An alternative to sea routes in the south. This is where the Chinese remembered the proposal of the National Academy of Sciences on the Silk Road (at that time we already had a part of the infrastructure ready - reloading capacities on our track (change of railway steam wheels)). That's when they began to actively promote it. Now they themselves have taken the initiative in their hands. Russia supports: proposed BAM and the Northern Sea Route. We are all profitable, because we get money for transit and become important transport arteries on the continent and to the world. trade; China and Southeast Asia guaranteed, reliable transportation. But the Chinese went further by proposing the Silk Economic Belt and creating the AIIB. I think you know that this particular Bank is going to finance the autobahn around the Black Sea - as an example of AIIB's intentions.
            By analogy of the Russian Federation. Built Nord Stream-1, offers South, Turkish and Nord Stream-2.
            2. Military response to the militarization of the South-K Sea. So these loose islands with runways began to appear. And in order to show who is the boss in the house, they declare all the South-K sea their own - the USA and NATO are actually far from this region. In my opinion, this is the first case of such a "tough" response for the PRC. If earlier the Chinese were reluctant to take part in the UN, peacekeeping. operations; now they themselves are being initiated in Africa (one whale peacemaker was recently killed there). The PRC shows that it is not going to be a peace-loving sheep that will endure everything - they began to butt for their interests, and not swallow them, as they did before.
            By analogy, the actions of the Russian Federation in Ukraine.
            From the point of view of politicians. We do not need straining in Asia (and I do not think that China wants it, because it will give an occasion to attack the whole world and give a bunch of suspicions to neighbors - they do not need it, they need now, amid tension with NATO, strong allies - RF (CSTO)); but Beijing’s actions draw on the resources and capabilities of NATO and the United States, which is naturally beneficial for us (EAEU).
            Against the background of all this, Comrade Comrade’s speech is noteworthy. Xi July 1, where he said that he was convinced of the need for a military alliance with Russia.
            In my opinion, the PRC specifically declares the South Sea to be its own: not in order to swear with its neighbors, but in spite of US policy in the region. Because for them, overlapping the marine area of ​​that Indonesia or only the southern part of the sea would be fatal for export (see map).
            And here is the interesting thing. If the PRC and the Russian Federation (CSTO) create a military alliance, then where will the neighbors run to resolve contentious issues? I think that those Filipinos and Vietnamese will run to the north, to the Kremlin, and not to the West. Because it will become clear that NATO will not solve the issue by force, but Moscow, as an ally of the PRC, will be able to convey its aspirations to the Dragon and find consensus. The role of the Kremlin will grow many times in Asia.
            1. the most important
              the most important 14 July 2016 22: 07
              -7
              Quote: Kasym
              The role of the Kremlin will grow many times in Asia.

              While China is trying to seize the shelf, but ten years will pass and its eyes will turn north. Russia (as well as Kazakhstan and Mongolia) has only about ten years left to have time to prepare for a big war. If Russia is ready. it will remain intact and China’s claims will be limited to Kazakhstan and Mongolia .... for the time being.
              1. igorka357
                igorka357 15 July 2016 05: 37
                +7
                That is, in ten years, China will attack Mongolia and Kazakhstan, are you raving or what?
                1. Talgat
                  Talgat 15 July 2016 18: 28
                  +7
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                  Quote: igorka357
                  China will attack Mongolia and Kazakhstan, are you raving or what?


                  China has a terrible threat from the sea - probably everyone will agree here - the sea is controlled by the enemy - the USA and Japan
                  And the supply of the same oil goes by sea

                  Therefore, China has created routes for the supply of oil and gas through Kazakhstan and Russia. He has prepared for us and Russia the fate of his rear suppliers - allies in his impending great confrontation with Western rulers of the world

                  Until he understands the United States (read the FRS as the world government) - there’s no point in attacking him either Russia or Kazakhstan — no one is chopping the branch on which he sits

                  And then - no one knows. Thousands of years of history have taught that the confrontation between China and the steppes took place and was not in favor of the steppes. Our Eurasian Union must take this into account - it is clear that we, Kazakhs, will be primarily concerned, and it is clear to Belarusians far from China and Old Man that is probably why their first friend is. But if this is an alliance, then penetration into the KZ should concern both Old Man and Russia.

                  But for now, we are in the same boat with China. Agree perfectly said:
                  "Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi spoke about the decision of the international arbitration even harsher, calling it" a political farce fabricated under the guise of the law. "
              2. SPQR1977
                SPQR1977 15 July 2016 13: 31
                -3
                The dragons have no friends ... It may well be. Somewhere they need to put so much population. not taken away by war but secretly)
            2. nikon7717
              nikon7717 15 July 2016 13: 41
              +6
              Quote: Kasym
              I think you know that this particular Bank is going to finance the highway around the Black Sea - as an example of AIIB’s intentions

              The project of the Black Sea Ring has been going on for more than one year.)) As I understand it, all Erdogan’s excitement about the war with Russia was killed by economic motives. I have been investing huge amounts of money in the XM ring project for 10 years. Depression of the Crimea and the Kerch bridge are part of this project.
              This is the creation of a complete infrastructure of transport trade between Europe and Asia.
              For this project, the initiators will erase everyone. )))
              It such prospects for at least the next 100 years ...
              And who controls the transport and who specifically invested in this project, do you know? Me not. Officially, the state, but this is an excuse, someone lends them, but this is a real investor.
              Statistics for the last 15 years in the Russian Federation on the construction of roads.
              He looked at Rosstat (annual report for 2014 year) and oh .. l !! It turns out that over the past 15 years more roads have been built than in the entire 20 century !!!
              Does this want to solve one of the two problems of Mother Russia? Quietly silent and not noticeable. And everyone is talking about a poor country, with such volumes of autoship? Does not fit. Who gives the funds?
          2. Orionvit
            Orionvit 14 July 2016 20: 15
            +1
            Normal international practice, who is stronger, that and the island. They sent the mattresses away, they silently swallowed, well, they grumbled a bit for the look. The states are blown away. And the Hague court has long turned into a cheap booth, for the sake of political masters, who forgot what law is. Smiled another.
            cheaper goods from China will be replaced by American ones, which will lead to an even greater imbalance in foreign trade.
            The currency war is a much more serious blow to the United States.
            In the USA, there are almost no non-Chinese goods. My former boss, back in 2012. flew to the daughter in the states. He told me that all goods are Chinese, starting with household appliances, and ending with the legendary Stetson hats and cowboy boots, not to mention jeans. In principle, like ours, he did not see non-Chinese. And while the whole world takes dollars for payment and pretends that it is money, the United States will drum all these currency wars, they will print dollars as much as they need.
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 15 July 2016 05: 45
              +2
              In your opinion, China is stronger than the United States? The United States does not claim to be islands! China is still raising its head because Russia is now its ally! China can only fight economically now, the military potential of the army is not very large, that they will have an army of a billion ... pff, in the age of nuclear weapons, at least five billion, modern warfare is not wall-to-wall in hand-to-hand combat, the division on the march is destroyed by a single tactical defense easily! China and the United States are inextricably linked economically, they will not be able to without each other, amers have all production in China, from there and all the goods, and indeed from all over the world! Most likely, China and the United States will be able to destroy each other economically, but China’s military potential has no chance against the United States!
            2. Lunic
              Lunic 15 July 2016 21: 40
              0
              I don’t know where your former boss flew .. At us (in the USA) everything is littered with Chinese goods. comes across less (decreasingly :) Taiwan, Vietnam, Bangladesh ... and Ukraine.
      2. Drozd-den
        Drozd-den 14 July 2016 10: 27
        +2
        NO, this is a minus to all SHIPS, and China and the territory respect.
      3. Asadullah
        Asadullah 14 July 2016 18: 31
        +11
        As I understand it, the decision of the court went to the Chinese not as a plus, but just as a minus.


        Well, right! Minus, and the fattest to those who make decisions that mean nothing. That is, a trial in The Hague. Now it turns out that the most powerful power in the world declares the worthlessness of the court, from which the whole west has blown copper for thirty years. The question is, for whom are the decisions of this court binding? And for someone who is dependent on the United States economically or politically. That’s the whole architecture of global law.
      4. Koshak
        Koshak 15 July 2016 22: 17
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        As I understand it, the decision of the court went to the Chinese not as a plus, but just as a minus.

        Well, what are these disadvantages to them? The Chinese put a large bolt with a left-hand thread on the decision of the pro-American court and on all the minuses. Well done, you need to be able to defend your interests.
      5. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 16 July 2016 15: 35
        0
        Understand how you want. The Court itself disgraced itself by several decisions. The Three High Judges ruled in favor of Yukos and did not give a damn about their other Courts. We somehow do not really follow the activities of these Tribunals when they do not concern us. In vain, if you delve into it, we will surely find interesting solutions. And China has long been I caught this judicial trend. I understand perfectly well that our liberal leaders cannot call China to account in any way. And now, if Ukraine submits to the COURT about the Crimea. Guess decisions two times under the joyful cries of our glorious democratic and liberal party. In China it’s easier the laws are clearly enforced there. The Chinese Court doesn’t give a damn whose son violated the law. It will have to be answered in full. That’s the whole difference. Who is the winner there. Yes, it was not always like this in China, but the authorities are seeking.
    2. razmik72
      razmik72 14 July 2016 07: 25
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      Quote: Titanumide
      Plus to the author and the Chinese

      The author of the article calls for practically the fact that the "law of the jungle" reigned in the world - whoever dared, he ate. Such a policy did not bring a single state and people to good, it was not necessary to look far for examples - Hitler's Germany. She swam the same on convention, she considered herself higher and stronger than everyone else, and openly began to divide the world.
      1. domokl
        domokl 14 July 2016 07: 53
        +41
        Quote: razmik72
        .She also floated on conventions, considered herself taller and stronger than everyone and openly proceeded to the division of the world.

        And what is the difference between modern US policy?
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 14 July 2016 08: 07
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          Quote: domokl
          Quote: razmik72
          .She also floated on conventions, considered herself taller and stronger than everyone and openly proceeded to the division of the world.

          And what is the difference between modern US policy?

          And what is the modern policy of the United States, dear, I did not understand your idea, did the United States squeeze islands from someone over the past 70 years and annex them to their country? Give a concrete example of this.
          1. domokl
            domokl 14 July 2016 08: 28
            +40
            Quote: razmik72
            In the last 70 years, did the United States squeeze islands and annex them to its country?

            No .. They just destroyed the countries .. Turned them into burial grounds ... That's all. By the way, why did you limit the validity period to 70 years?
            1. razmik72
              razmik72 14 July 2016 08: 34
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              Quote: domokl
              Quote: razmik72
              In the last 70 years, did the United States squeeze islands and annex them to its country?

              No .. They just destroyed the countries .. Turned them into burial grounds ... That's all. By the way, why did you limit the validity period to 70 years?

              If you do not limit the actions of the United States to 70 years, then you may not like this example. The Russian Empire was not created only with a "kind word" laughing .I feel that today my unrestrained language will bring me to a ban. hi .
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 14 July 2016 09: 30
                +20
                Quote: razmik72
                The Russian Empire was not created only with a "kind word"
                Well, yes, yes .. Personally, you should now remember how the Russian tsarism destroyed the ancient Armenian state, and the Bolsheviks strangled the young Armenian republic. By the way, why did they hesitate to mention the current Crimea? Burn on, more heat in the denunciations of "criminal Russia"!
                1. razmik72
                  razmik72 14 July 2016 09: 59
                  -6
                  Quote: Ami du peuple
                  Quote: razmik72
                  The Russian Empire was not created only with a "kind word"
                  Well, yes, yes .. Personally, you should now remember how the Russian tsarism destroyed the ancient Armenian state, and the Bolsheviks strangled the young Armenian republic. By the way, why did they hesitate to mention the current Crimea? Burn on, more heat in the denunciations of "criminal Russia"!

                  And here is Crimea, where the referendum was held and where the majority of the population is Russian and the shameless behavior of China in relation to uninhabited islands. Do not try by demagogic dodging to transfer the conversation to another plane.
                  1. uragan114
                    uragan114 14 July 2016 19: 55
                    +2
                    Quote: razmik72
                    Quote: Ami du peuple
                    Quote: razmik72
                    The Russian Empire was not created only with a "kind word"
                    Well, yes, yes .. Personally, you should now remember how the Russian tsarism destroyed the ancient Armenian state, and the Bolsheviks strangled the young Armenian republic. By the way, why did they hesitate to mention the current Crimea? Burn on, more heat in the denunciations of "criminal Russia"!

                    And here is Crimea, where a referendum was held and where the majority of the population are Russian and shameless China's behavior on uninhabited islands.Do not try to demagogic dodges to transfer the conversation to another plane.


                    Uninhabited islands, uninhabited !!!
                  2. the villain
                    the villain 14 July 2016 22: 28
                    +8
                    Quote: razmik72
                    shameless behavior of China in relation to uninhabited islands

                    For some objective reasons, holding referenda on uninhabited islands is somewhat ... difficult lol
                2. igorka357
                  igorka357 15 July 2016 05: 56
                  -2
                  Yes, dear, dear, our ancestors also won the land for us with a sword! Or do you think we’ve got a continent for free? Remember even the great I’m not afraid of this word Ermak, how he went through Siberia! Yes, why deny that great Russia I always attached territories to myself, but we fought a cloud of years with the Caucasus, and it is not yet known how long the world will last!
                  1. Koshak
                    Koshak 15 July 2016 22: 34
                    +4
                    Quote: igorka357
                    Yes, dear, dear, our ancestors also won the land for us with a sword! Or do you think we’ve got a continent for free? Remember even the great I’m not afraid of this word Ermak, how he went through Siberia! Yes, why deny that great Russia I always attached territories to myself, but we fought a cloud of years with the Caucasus, and it is not yet known how long the world will last!

                    Then, remember who these white and fluffy Americans are, who, they did not squeeze anything from anyone and did not attach to themselves. Where did they come from Texas, Guantanamo, Hawaii ...? Anyway, as far as I remember, true Americans are Indians who were simply destroyed by white geeks. Yes Ermak Timofeevich - a dove of peace compared to the Yankees
                3. lukewarm
                  lukewarm 15 July 2016 12: 34
                  +1
                  So he wrote about the squeezed and annexed islands. Although the Crimea is a peninsula, but why such conventions.
              2. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 14 July 2016 10: 52
                +23
                Quote: razmik72
                If you do not limit the actions of the United States for 70 years, then this example may not please you. The Russian Empire was not created only with a “kind word.” I feel that today my not restrained language will bring me to a ban. ...

                All the peoples that are part of the Russian Empire live and live to this day, preserving their languages, faith and culture, which can not be said about the United States, having exterminated most of the Indian tribes, having driven their remains on the reservation.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 14 July 2016 17: 06
                  .
                  Some peoples did not survive, some were evicted .... and yes they live.
                  1. Pissarro
                    Pissarro 14 July 2016 17: 11
                    +4
                    who didn’t live then?
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 15 July 2016 07: 58
                      -3
                      The peoples of the north are small. In Altai.
                  2. dvaposto
                    dvaposto 14 July 2016 18: 23
                    +2
                    you still remember the Volga Bulgaria, the Polovtsy, whom the Mongols plagued, in the history of peoples there was everything and will be. it’s important what governments are doing now. the past should not be pulled by the sleeves ... in the grave of revenge.
                    1. ver_
                      ver_ 17 July 2016 03: 41
                      0
                      Mongolia is a nation that was formed in 1920 .. Do not use falsified data .. They could not "exterminate" the Bulgars ..
                  3. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 14 July 2016 20: 19
                    +7
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    Some peoples did not survive, some were evicted .... and yes they live.

                    Maybe they moved it, I do not argue, and notice on its territory ...... but did not destroy it.
                    And yet, yes, if you gave a hint about the destroyed, then be so kind as to provide the facts to the studio, otherwise your commentary on the content is drawn to the "bunch" - no sense, one smell.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 15 July 2016 08: 06
                      .
                      :-) you read about the Caucasian wars, about Ermolov. Not the Germans came up with the scorched earth tactics. And at that time it was not the territory of the Russian Empire. Read books at least in the great Russian language and everything is written there. And just like in the USA, some were soldered and changed their furs for beads, others were killed and driven to Turkey, Syria, Jordan from their lands (which were not yet the territory of Russia). Well, plague blankets are not handed out of course ..
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              3. sir_obs
                sir_obs 14 July 2016 13: 27
                +3
                You already decide. Are we talking about empires or about international law?
              4. Asadullah
                Asadullah 14 July 2016 18: 46
                +18
                .I feel that today my unrestrained language will bring me to a ban.


                laughing You understand the culture of controversy ... at first they put it in the face, and then they say why you are wrong.

                I'll tell you an elementary thing, the only US export product that brings it world domination is the US dollar. You do not need to annex territories, if your currency is valid all over the world, you can buy everything you need with simple bank manipulations at the price of waste paper. The question is what to do with the excess mass of greens in the world, because the United States does not accept them back. They are burned in all kinds of military conflicts. The most dangerous thing for the US is the lack of subordination. It is for this that they punish, including with military force. Your "arbitration court" makes objective decisions only without the intervention of the State Department. Then the question is, how legitimate is it and how to assess the harm of such a court for the entire world legal system? If even today the UK is handing over its citizens to the United States, on the order of what dusty Oklahoma court? That even the queen could not do according to the Constitution of the kingdom. Here is the answer to your reflections, the unconditional domination of one power in the world, a priori destroys all international institutions. As the authorities, as rights, and levels ethical and moral standards.
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 14 July 2016 20: 25
                  +3
                  Quote: Asadullah
                  Here is the answer to your thoughts, the unconditional dominance of one power in the world, a priori destroys all international institutions. As authorities, as rights, it eliminates ethical and moral norms.

                  You can’t say better ......... certainly +
              5. Orionvit
                Orionvit 14 July 2016 20: 29
                +6
                .Not a single state or nation has brought such a policy to good, it’s not Nazi Hitler to go far for examples. It also floated on conventions, considered itself taller and stronger than all and did not openly begin to divide the world.
                If you don’t know history, let me remind you that Hitlerite Germany was just a means of redividing the world. In the Second World War, only one country welded, this is the USA, and it became the leading economy in the world. Question. Who benefited from this war? And the "poor, freedom-loving, democratic states" Not only invaded unwanted countries, but also staged coups and revolutions, or simply squeezed out the economy and resources, like ordinary racketeers. The methods are the same, no different from the methods of the "dashing 90s". And they began to do this almost immediately after the proclamation of their "declaration of independence".
          2. Mikhail Krapivin
            Mikhail Krapivin 14 July 2016 08: 31
            +22
            Quote: razmik72
            And what is the modern policy of the United States, dear, I did not understand your idea, did the United States squeeze islands from someone over the past 70 years and annex them to their country? Give a concrete example of this.


            You are welcome. Grenada, Panama, Dominican Republic. Hawaii was a little earlier.
            1. razmik72
              razmik72 14 July 2016 09: 19
              .
              Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
              Quote: razmik72
              And what is the modern policy of the United States, dear, I did not understand your idea, did the United States squeeze islands from someone over the past 70 years and annex them to their country? Give a concrete example of this.


              You are welcome. Grenada, Panama, Dominican Republic. Hawaii was a little earlier.

              Dominica, Panama, Grenada .... Sometimes it is better to remain silent than to be dishonored.
              1. Mikhail Krapivin
                Mikhail Krapivin 14 July 2016 10: 28
                +12
                Quote: razmik72
                Dominica, Panama, Grenada .... Sometimes it is better to remain silent than to be dishonored.


                Did you write that seriously? In your opinion, if the United States has not hung its flag over which de facto island it owns, then this radically changes the matter? The fact that they invaded there, bent everyone down and arranged everything in their own way, are these insignificant trifles? It was a shame when the Azerbaijanis kicked you lightly not so long ago and squeezed several heights, and right before that, your authorities told you what a steep defense you have and how easily you will bend Azerbaijanis in any desired direction. And also, what self-sufficient fellows you are who do not need help from Russia. And soon after that, Armenian lamentations about the "insidious and completely unexpected" enemy attack and calls to the United States for help were spread. True, Russia helped. As always.
                1. razmik72
                  razmik72 14 July 2016 11: 06
                  -6
                  Mikhail Krapivin, moreover, Karabakh and discussion of the article’s behavior.
                  But if you want to discuss the Karabakh problem, then well, I do not mind, we can do it.
                  First, you made the argument that the United States secretly, so to speak, occupied the countries you listed above, but not de jure. To this argument of yours, I will only say that if you look at everything from this perspective, I must admit that my Russia occupied the country. De jure it is independent, but de facto no.
                  Secondly, in Karabakh, the Armenian army has lost, as you wrote, several heights, with all the desire, this cannot be passed off as an easy walk for the Azerbaijanis, otherwise they would not have agreed to a truce.
                  Thirdly, I agree with you that during the April battles the Armenian army was defeated, but it was only a tactical defeat. Following your logic, I should have answered you that the Turks gave you a kick in the ass, but you could not adequately to answer.
                  Fourthly, the current government of Armenia "cherishes and cares for" the Russian Federation, I was fully convinced of this after reading last year's articles on VO, where the power of Serzhik S. Argsyan was openly supported and mockingly asked: "What do these Armenians think if they want to change?" our president ", we will withdraw the Russian troops and they will be left face to face with the Turks." Members of the forum from Armenia have written here more than once that the current president of Armenia is engaged only in plundering the country, under his rule Armenia will weaken and Russia will have to intervene in the conflict with every sneeze of Azerbaijan in order to save its protégé. I have written about this more than once, and quite harshly. the Russian leadership prefers its henchman in Armenia, even if he is engaged in outright robbery. As they say, a son of a bitch, but our son of a bitch.
                  1. razmik72
                    razmik72 14 July 2016 11: 25
                    -7
                    Fifth, why Russia helped Armenia in such a way, I don’t know, you won’t tell me. Otherwise, forum users write about this all the time, but I don’t know everything.
                    Sixth, Russia supplies arms to Azerbaijan for billions of dollars, which at the same time upsets the balance of power in the region.
                    1. razmik72
                      razmik72 14 July 2016 11: 41
                      .
                      Once again, I ask you to give an example of how Russia "rescues" its satellite, Serzhik's Armenia, and how does it do it? I am very interested to learn about the rescue role that Russia plays here, I do not want to be ungrateful, I have children, friends and relatives, to whom I want to tell the same good news.
                      1. nerd.su
                        nerd.su 14 July 2016 11: 59
                        +16
                        Sorry to interfere, but Russia considers Armenia its ally, and not a satellite. You are probably an Armenian oppositionist?

                        And on the bill it saves ... Would Armenia exist now if not for our bases? If we left and said yes do what you want? Ask relatives and friends what they think about this.
                      2. razmik72
                        razmik72 14 July 2016 12: 16
                        .
                        Quote: bot.su
                        Sorry to interfere, but Russia considers Armenia its ally, and not a satellite. You are probably an Armenian oppositionist?

                        And on the bill it saves ... Would Armenia exist now if not for our bases? If we left and said yes do what you want? Ask relatives and friends what they think about this.

                        Your bases do not solve anything and it’s enough to blackmail the Armenians with their bases. They stand here to keep the sergeant in power, they do not perform other functions. All this was clearly demonstrated by the April war, and the daily military operations on the borders of Armenia.
                      3. nerd.su
                        nerd.su 14 July 2016 12: 45
                        +17
                        And what about the April war? Our bases are in Karabakh?

                        As long as our bases are at your place, military operations will be conducted at the border. They will leave, there will be war throughout the territory. The Turkish genocide is not new.

                        Do you really think that our troops there guard your president? No, they guard you from the Turks and Russian geopolitical interests.
                      4. razmik72
                        razmik72 14 July 2016 13: 07
                        -8
                        Well, this is generally beyond good and evil. If "our bases" then, if "our bases" are, they do not stand in Karabakh laughing .Your bases are in Gyumri, in order to approach them, you need to go through almost all of Armenia. And what kind of "ally" is Russia - I do not need to explain, practically now Russia is putting pressure on Armenia so that it would agree to transfer 5 regions around Karabakh to Azerbaijan exchange of the fact that Azerbaijan will join, possibly in the future, the EurAsEC. Russia, at the expense of Armenia, is solving, as it seems to her, its "strategic tasks." I put these words in quotation marks, as anyone understands what Azerbaijan will do in any case and will not stay in this union for a long time.
                      5. nerd.su
                        nerd.su 14 July 2016 13: 25
                        +13
                        Gyumri is on the border with Turkey. Once again for those who are in the tank - we protect you from the Turks. Or, in another way, we are not letting Turkey strengthen at the expense of Armenia. You yourself must deal with Azerbaijan, at least in the territory of Karabakh. Now, if the Azerbaijani troops move to Yerevan, then yes, we will intervene.
                        And as for the transfer of areas - do not give in to pressure. You are already a member of the EurAsEC, you can always threaten to leave it in a critical situation. So, by political methods, Russia cannot force you. Will not be power. So Russia has no chance to push such a decision. Unless, of course, your personal motivation guide bends.
                      6. razmik72
                        razmik72 14 July 2016 14: 03
                        .
                        In order to resist Azerbaijan, Armenia needs a sane government and rapid political and economic reforms, the current model of the Armenian economy does not allow it to develop and buy at least a minimum amount of weapons. As your prime minister says: "There is simply no money." smile In order for the money to appear, the current Karabakh clan must leave power, it is not capable of solving the tasks facing the country, while Russia stands by the current rulers and in fact supports rotten through power, thereby creating the preconditions for a military defeat of Armenians in Karabakh. If the current authorities do not leave, then in Armenia there are two possible scenarios: 1. The military defeat of Armenia in Karabakh. 2. The development of the situation in a revolutionary way with the aim of overthrowing the rulers who are tired of everything.
                      7. nerd.su
                        nerd.su 14 July 2016 15: 10
                        +4
                        Quote: razmik72
                        Armenia needs a sound government and quick political and economic reforms, the current model of the Armenian economy does not allow it to develop and buy at least a minimum amount of weapons

                        Old liberal songs about the main thing. By the same training manual. Some repeat them for money, others - because the words seem correct and beautiful to them.
                        If you have a Karabakh clan in power, no matter how much it steals, it is not interested in defeat in Karabakh. And if Russia supports it, then it will not allow a military defeat of Armenia. So there is only a revolutionary way, as you say. But first, funny as it may seem, there are choices. And secondly, special services and law enforcement agencies. The fate of your revolution will depend on their decision.
                      8. razmik72
                        razmik72 14 July 2016 16: 06
                        0
                        Quote: bot.su
                        Quote: razmik72
                        Armenia needs a sound government and quick political and economic reforms, the current model of the Armenian economy does not allow it to develop and buy at least a minimum amount of weapons

                        Old liberal songs about the main thing. By the same training manual. Some repeat them for money, others - because the words seem correct and beautiful to them.
                        If you have a Karabakh clan in power, no matter how much it steals, it is not interested in defeat in Karabakh. And if Russia supports it, then it will not allow a military defeat of Armenia. So there is only a revolutionary way, as you say. But first, funny as it may seem, there are choices. And secondly, special services and law enforcement agencies. The fate of your revolution will depend on their decision.

                        "Russia will not allow a military defeat" laughing Yes, wipe your eyes, a military defeat has already happened, in April of this year there was a tactical military defeat, if there are no cardinal changes, then there will be a strategic defeat. You can't fight much on one spirit, you need weaponry. The Karabakh clan brought the country to such a state, that for the treatment of seriously wounded soldiers the society is forced to collect money to send defenders of the fatherland for treatment abroad, in Armenia there is no appropriate equipment. The Armenian government refused to finance the sending of seriously wounded soldiers abroad, arguing that "there is simply no money !!"
                      9. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 14 July 2016 16: 14
                        +5
                        Quote: razmik72
                        , wipe your eyes, a military defeat has already happened, in April of this year there was a tactical military defeat,

                        This is when Putin called Aliyev and the warrior ended. I remember it happened.
                        Quote: razmik72
                        The Karabakh clan brought the country to such a state

                        Sami chose!
                      10. razmik72
                        razmik72 14 July 2016 16: 28
                        +5
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Quote: razmik72
                        , wipe your eyes, a military defeat has already happened, in April of this year there was a tactical military defeat,

                        This is when Putin called Aliyev and the warrior ended. I remember it happened.
                        Quote: razmik72
                        The Karabakh clan brought the country to such a state

                        Sami chose!

                        Putin will not always pick up the phone and call someone, and besides, God bless Vladimir Vladimirovich, but excuse me, dear Putin is not forever, and I consider it a shame to hide behind his broad back for a long time.
                        And as for the fact that the Armenian people chose these, it’s not very true, they choose themselves. But the fact that the Armenians tolerate such power is right here, Alexander, if the people tolerate such, then he deserves this fate. . I will no longer answer the questions of the members of the forum, I do not want the discussion of the problems of China to turn into a discussion of the problems of Armenia.
                      11. Chisayna
                        Chisayna 14 July 2016 17: 00
                        +1
                        If Armenia needs new equipment and weapons, then it needs both money and a lot of money to buy it all. And Russia has the money. Or find another sponsor, for example, America or Qatar or the UAE.
                      12. Mikado
                        Mikado 14 July 2016 17: 50
                        +4
                        Quote: razmik72
                        I don’t want the discussion of the problems of China to turn into a discussion of the problems of Armenia.

                        Razmik, you’re our truth-maker, we talked again for three life! belay Well, well ... such political conversations, which began with China, ended with Armenia!
                  2. nerd.su
                    nerd.su 14 July 2016 16: 43
                    +6
                    Quote: razmik72
                    if there are no cardinal changes, then there will be a strategic defeat.

                    So far, Armenia will not be our strategic ally. A tactical ... It happens that can be done.

                    Quote: razmik72
                    The Karabakh clan brought the country to such a state

                    Changing one clan to another will not bring you abundance. If you want to ensure that there were no defeats, and that there were weapons and the economy worked, ask for a return to Russia. Only such a step will radically solve the problems. And revolutions will only aggravate them. An example is revolutionary before our eyes, Ukraine and Crimea. Look, think.
              2. Asadullah
                Asadullah 14 July 2016 21: 22
                +14
                we need a sound government and quick political and economic reforms, the current model of the Armenian economy does not allow it to develop


                Dear razmik72! You have no idea what you're talking about! This is the same thing when a doctor tells parents about a child’s headache: - We must cut it!

                Political reform is a team of penguins in the western chaise. The opening symbol of the rebus of economic reform is loans of the same West. The development of any state consists of trade. Trade determines the priority of production, that is, the effort is made on what you manage to sell better. Politics, determines the independence of decisions. If a policy change narrows the corridor of independence, then this is not the right policy.

                I am very sad, but you are not the only Armenian with a similar perception pattern. Your country is really independent today, and if you (in general terms) change power according to your worldview, it will be a rainy day for Armenia. Yes, Russia is not an occupier, it will leave your country. Yes, she will lose the bridgehead of containment of pan-Turkism in the region, but today it is not fatal for her. Who will come to the place of Russia? The fact is that in spite of the strong global lobby of the Armenians, Armenia itself, as a state, is needed by the West only for whatever Russia is there. Further, as usual, loans, funds, reforms, the rejection of Karabakh (as if God be with him, only how many will die during this?) Russia will not come to the rescue. And not from insult, but according to the rules of political thermodynamics. And believe me, nothing can be fixed. In your life and in the lives of your children. Exactly four years ago, word for word in meaning, I said this to my Ukrainian colleagues. Their thoughts miraculously came into contact with yours. Well, Wellcome to Ukraine ....
              3. Odysseus
                Odysseus 14 July 2016 23: 22
                +1
                Quote: Asadullah
                Their thoughts miraculously came into contact with yours. Well, Wellcome to Ukraine ....

                The overwhelming majority of Armenians support an alliance with Russia. Another thing is that the United States works with young people, the diaspora and residents of Yerevan. They need an active minority that can be gathered in Yerevan into a crowd with momentary slogans against irremovable corrupt government, etc.
                There is a certain danger in this. But a small one. The US support base is too small. Well, criticism of the government without changing its geopolitical orientation is an internal Armenian affair.
    3. Pissarro
      Pissarro 14 July 2016 13: 35
      +11
      You’re a cool guy. Personally, your throat doesn’t have a Turkish knife at the moment just because you are personally protected by a Russian soldier. And for the same reason, your people generally exist in history. In that part of Armenia (western), where the Russian soldier did not stand there is not a single Armenian at all, all are cut out regardless of political preferences. Remember it is firm, before you spit in the back of the Russians, Armenian
    4. razmik72
      razmik72 14 July 2016 13: 48
      .
      Quote: Pissarro
      You’re a cool guy. Personally, your throat doesn’t have a Turkish knife at the moment just because you are personally protected by a Russian soldier. And for the same reason, your people generally exist in history. In that part of Armenia (western), where the Russian soldier did not stand there is not a single Armenian at all, all are cut out regardless of political preferences. Remember it is firm, before you spit in the back of the Russians, Armenian

      I am not familiar with you and in this tone I will ask you not to conduct a dialogue with me in the future. And as for the fact that Russia has always saved the Armenians, tell these tales about the white bull in another place, we will somehow live without Russia. - for the Armenian stupidity, the Armenians believed that Russia does not sleep or eat, but only thinks to free the Armenians from the Turks. Before the arrival of the Russians in Transcaucasia, no one cut anyone, if Russia, out of "kindness of heart", did not save the Armenians. even at one time the tsarist foreign minister of the late 19th century Lobanov-Rostovsky stated directly: "We need Armenia without Armenians." I have nothing to add to the minister's words, he said everything.
    5. Pissarro
      Pissarro 14 July 2016 14: 00
      +14
      Typical anti-Russian rhetoric of the pro-American opposition in Armenia, grant-eaters. Verbiage. Opposite her are the lost lives of Armenians who believed people like you. Fortunately, your appeals to the Armenian people to commit another stupidity and lose the protection of Russia do not work for normal Armenians. Because they listen to you, the last thing they will hear before dying from a Turkish knife will be your "I am sorry" before your loading into an American helicopter. If you are taken, of course. Americans usually throw the service staff
    6. razmik72
      razmik72 14 July 2016 14: 14
      .
      A typical position of a limited "imperial", who thinks that everyone around everyone owes Russia. But how did she, Russia, save everyone, everyone owes her. I respect the Russian Foreign Minister, at least he did not engage in demagoguery, like you, did not hide behind cheap myths about "Russia-the savior" of the peoples, he directly and clearly stated: "We need Armenia without Armenians."
    7. Pissarro
      Pissarro 14 July 2016 14: 32
      +7
      I don’t think that the Armenians owe us something, calm down. They shout that they are usually owed to loser nations, such as Poles and Bandera. Look at the Latvians for 25 years, the whole institute considers debts. Well, or grand-eaters like you. Admit, does Russia owe you something? laughing
    8. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 July 2016 16: 20
      +8
      Quote: razmik72
      And how did she, Russia, save everyone, everyone owed her. I

      There was Omar Azerbajanets, he said that the Armenians will betray you more than once. You know, it seems to me about such people. As you wrote.
      Quote: razmik72
      "We need Armenia without Armenians."

      That is half of Armenia living in Russia.
    9. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 15 July 2016 01: 52
      +3
      Quote: razmik72
      he directly and clearly stated: "We need Armenia without Armenians."

      What, Lavrov ?! Which itself has Armenian roots ?! So he chopped it up ?! Please specify where and when, but that, after all, is a complete disaster ... request
  2. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 14 July 2016 14: 31
    +1
    without Russia, we will somehow live.
    Then WHAT do you do with US in the country? The sacred cortege of Armenian brothers in the opposite direction, good without shooting! Casino, prostitution, gold, restauran

    Why do you really need a business in Russia? Are you annoyed, if you work, work so, why all these show-offs?

    The Annunciation share a video from one of Saturday's weddings. July 9 motorcade struck the townspeople not only in style, but also in violation of traffic rules. Participants swept with a breeze - footage got on the Internet. One of the townspeople sent them to the editor, accompanied by a detailed description.

    “Departure into the oncoming lane through a double continuous. Creating an emergency. Using special signals, ”the person who sent the video lists.

    There are “witnesses” in local forums: “Now the wedding motorcade drove along the mikraha. Everything would be fine, but they blocked the roads, drove along the oncoming traffic, forcing oncoming cars to snuggle up to the side of the road, including quacks and sirens. At the head of the procession, according to eyewitnesses, was the driver on the Lexus LX570. The entry appeared on one of the popular local sites around 18 p.m. Saturday.
    Your countrymen walked for fame!
  3. razmik72
    razmik72 14 July 2016 15: 50
    -3
    If my fellow countrymen break the law, then judge them by the law, I have nothing more to add. hi
  4. Dulat
    Dulat 15 July 2016 00: 35
    0
    Because of a few people, the whole nation cannot be judged
  5. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 14 July 2016 16: 18
    +7
    Quote: razmik72
    .And about the fact that Russia has always saved the Armenians, so tell these tales about a white bull in another place

    Well, Georgians over time, we also began to spit. You are not alone in this regard.
    Quote: razmik72
    without Russia, we will somehow live

    Somehow, maybe you will live, and if you are very lucky, even survive.
    Quote: razmik72
    Before the Russians arrived in Transcaucasia, nobody killed anyone,

    Wow, these Russians.
  6. razmik72
    razmik72 14 July 2016 16: 41
    +1
    Alexander, I'm not such a Russophobe and I got a little excited, writing that before the Russians came to Transcaucasia, no one slaughtered anyone. But your "imperials" got me too painful, one yesterday categorically stated that the Armenians were "not white" and compared us with blacks , I can give his nickname - Greenwood. Such great-power manners give rise to natural opposition, of course I got excited in the heat of the dispute, tsarist Russia could not be compared with Persia and the Ottoman Empire of that time, and if any minister spoke unsuccessfully about the Armenians, then This does not beg for the merits of the Russian tsars. I am writing again that it is not worth continuing the topic of Karabakh and Armenia any longer, we are now discussing China.
  7. Odysseus
    Odysseus 14 July 2016 17: 54
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Somehow, maybe you will live, and if you are very lucky, even survive.

    No, this is absolutely impossible. The state of Armenia exists because it is supported by Russia.
    Moreover, this is pure altruism on our part. There is no economic or any other benefit for Russia in this.
    Moreover, from an economic point of view, it is much more profitable for us to be friends with Azerbaijan with its oil and convenient transportation to Iran.
  8. Pissarro
    Pissarro 14 July 2016 18: 05
    +2
    Iran’s position is interesting. He also supports Armenia and not Azerbaijan in this conflict. He is not interested in strengthening the Azerbaijani and Turkish factors in the Caucasus, he has recorded anti-Iranian actions by Israeli and American intelligence from the territory of Azerbaijan. He has friendly relations with Armenia
  9. Odysseus
    Odysseus 14 July 2016 23: 13
    0
    Quote: Pissarro
    He also supports Armenia, and not Azerbaijan, in this conflict. He is not interested in strengthening the Azerbaijani and Turkish factors in the Caucasus, he has recorded anti-Iranian actions by Israeli and American intelligence from the territory of Azerbaijan. With Armenia, friendly relations

    It’s true, but it’s more accurate to say that Iran is against strengthening Turkey. Armenia itself is parallel to them. But the factor of Iran’s support is completely insufficient for the existence of Armenian statehood. Most Armenians live and / or receive transfers not from Iran but from Russia. In case of a large-scale offensive Iran in Karabakh, Iran will not be able to stop the war, etc.
  10. Pissarro
    Pissarro 14 July 2016 17: 00
    +4
    Before the Russians arrived in Transcaucasia, nobody was cutting anyone


    The Armenian and Georgian peoples are teaching this foolishly in State Department manuals through a fifth column similar to you.

    "Georgians (from the educated) do not like very much when asked why at one time Tbilisi (Tiflis) was called" the city of lame women. "

    At the end of the XVIII century there was a devastating raid of the Persian Shah Aga-Mohammed. He devastated the territory of Georgia and Tiflis. In memory of the ruin of Tiflis, Aga-Mohammed ordered to cut the tendons of all the women of the city.

    In short, during one of the seizures of Tiflis, Abbas warriors raped all the women of the city and, as a sign of dishonor, cut the hamstring on their right leg to each raped woman. And long after that invasion on the streets of Tiflis, one could meet lame women as a reminder of the shame on the Georgians.

    It can be added that the Georgians, at the time of the positive decision to accept under the Russian hand, remained exactly half of the campaign - about 100 thousand people. The Persians were already preparing migrants for the territory cleared of Georgians. By the way, all the harems of the East were packed with Georgian boys and girls, they were very much appreciated. "

    The end of the eighteenth century - and such "charming" medieval traditions.
    And the Russian Empire, well, such, you know, the centuries-old empire of barbarians, yes, it saves neighboring nations from being dispersed.

    Armenians on the eve of Georgia’s entry into the Russian Empire made up the absolute majority in Tbilisi, Gori, Telavi and in the vast province of Javakhk


    So, before the Russians arrived, they didn’t cut you
  11. SergeBS
    SergeBS 15 July 2016 21: 27
    +1
    Quote: razmik72
    I am not familiar with you and in this tone I will ask you not to conduct a dialogue with me in the future. And as for the fact that Russia has always saved the Armenians, tell these tales about the white bull in another place, we will somehow live without Russia. - for the Armenian stupidity, the Armenians believed that Russia does not sleep or eat, but only thinks to free the Armenians from the Turks. Before the arrival of the Russians in Transcaucasia, no one cut anyone, if Russia, out of "kindness of heart", did not save the Armenians. even at one time the tsarist foreign minister of the late 19th century Lobanov-Rostovsky stated directly: "We need Armenia without Armenians." I have nothing to add to the minister's words, he said everything.

    And I ask you not to BOOK about your GREAT ARMENIAN claims to the GREAT ARMENIAN, who is ALIVE simply because some fans of Armenian blood were stopped by the RUSSIAN bayonets. Do not forget, GREAT ARMENIAN, that it is thanks to these bayonets that he is alive. And don't make any claims - "The Russians didn't build us GREAT ARMENIA - wah, scoundrels."
    Well, lie further, how did it happen that "Armenia is needed without Armenians", but "for some reason" the Armenians survived.
    You can take an example from the Balts, which are still ALIVE, because the Soviet Army ruined the Hitler coalition, and NOW they are unhappy that they "occupied them, the poor." With a show-off, "they were not allowed to live by their own laws." So forgetting "modestly" - if it were not for SA, there would be SOMEONE to live there. ALL would be banged by "yubermensch". How are you, "VELIKO ARMYAN" Turks.
  12. free
    free 14 July 2016 13: 20
    0
    don’t get comfortable there about America, burn on
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  14. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 July 2016 17: 11
    0
    And you imagine, Russia left Armenia, stopped selling weapons at domestic prices. Nearby friendly neighbors - Turkey, Azerbaijan, Iran. The difference between the economies is gigantic, human resources at times. Love for Armenia, you don’t even need to advertise ...
    All this has already happened, and Russia saved you along with Georgia. Why repeat the same scenarios?
  • Krsk
    Krsk 14 July 2016 15: 41
    0
    Quote: razmik72
    that my country was occupied by Russia.
    are you answering? or so the talker chatters for no reason
  • DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 14 July 2016 11: 51
    +1
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    It was a shame when the Azerbaijanis kicked you lightly not so long ago and squeezed several heights, and right before that, your authorities told you what a steep defense you have and how easily you will bend Azerbaijanis in any desired direction. And also, what self-sufficient fellows you are who do not need help from Russia. And soon after that, Armenian lamentations about the "insidious and completely unexpected" enemy attack and calls to the United States for help were spread. True, Russia helped. As always.


    Shame? What do you know about this?
    Do you know that mercenaries invaded Karabakh at night, overwhelmingly superior forces? Do you know that they cut off the heads of people, both military and civilian? Killed the old?
    Do you know that young soldiers - Armenians fought to the last bullet and blew themselves up with grenades surrounded?
    Do you know that there were queues of military commissariats in Armenia who wanted to go to protect Karabakh - Armenian volunteers flew from all over the world - from Russia, Europe and the USA? This was not during the first conflict.
    Do you know that the Azerbaijani troops threw off a counterattack and drove Aliyev hysterically asking Putin for intervention, and ignored Putin’s calls in Armenia, because the vile night attack and the fact that Azerbaijanis did it - required retaliation?
    Read Armenian websites, talk to Armenians, it was fleeting for us, for them it is their 41st year! With their heroes "Panfilovtsy".
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 14 July 2016 15: 14
      +7
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      Read Armenian websites, talk to Armenians, it was fleeting for us, for them it is their 41st year! With their heroes "Panfilovtsy".


      If you don’t know, all of Russia, including myself, worried about Armenia in that conflict, followed all the news from Karabakh and kept their fingers crossed for Armenians. But when such razmiks begin to tell us, at the Russian forum, about how unfinished Russians are and what Americans are cool and sharp, you quickly begin to forget about love for the Armenian people. You already decide who is closer and more expensive to Armenia - Russia or America, it will not be possible to combine. Serious Armenian diasporas come from there and there, and from there, and from there material assistance is coming. That's just the Americans will definitely not fight for you with Turkey. But Russia will be.
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  • nerd.su
    nerd.su 14 July 2016 10: 29
    +9
    Quote: razmik72
    Dominica, Panama, Grenada .... Sometimes it is better to remain silent than to be dishonored.

    I did not see this post right away. Why disgrace? Did the USA abide by international law there?
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 14 July 2016 15: 19
      +4
      Quote: bot.su
      Quote: razmik72
      Dominica, Panama, Grenada .... Sometimes it is better to remain silent than to be dishonored.

      I did not see this post right away. Why disgrace? Did the USA abide by international law there?


      This razmik slightly surprised and upset me, so I could not restrain myself and drove into the whole Armenian people, to which I generally sympathize. Such a normal perverted American logic - we are killing you, it is useful and normal. You are killing us - this is disgrace and lawlessness!
  • nerd.su
    nerd.su 14 July 2016 10: 25
    +2
    Quote: razmik72
    And what is the modern policy of the United States, dear, I did not understand your idea, did the United States squeeze islands from someone over the past 70 years and annex them to their country?

    I agree with you that it is not necessary to seek to replace the right of the strong. But about spinning and joining. The United States does not attach to its territory, but to its zone of influence. Panama, Grenada - do the names of these countries tell you nothing? How was the United States reckoned with international law?
  • free
    free 14 July 2016 13: 18
    +3
    you're delusional ???????? But what about the countries destroyed by America?
  • sir_obs
    sir_obs 14 July 2016 13: 22
    +7
    I don’t know what school you attended, but here is an example. The United States bit off a piece of Territory near Colombia and made it a state under its control.

    On the initiative and with the direct support of the United States, riots broke out in the northwestern areas of Colombia, and the province of Panama declared independence from Colombia in 1903. The canal and the land near the canal are controlled by the USA. In the period from 1904 to 1914, the canal was completed under the leadership of US Army Engineering Officer George Washington Gothols. Cheap labor was used in the construction - mainly the Negro population of Antilles, Barbados, British West India, which was recruited by American recruiters, enticing "high" earnings

    Not weak so. They wanted control over the channel and made their own country.

    This is just the beginning.

    What about Yugoslavia? This is from recent examples, so to speak.

    What about Iraq? Or is it called not to squeeze? And on what basis did the American troops destroy there?

    Well, yes, they carried democracy, I completely forgot.

    Go study, do not engage in verbiage here.
  • Krsk
    Krsk 14 July 2016 15: 37
    0
    I’m embarrassed to ask, but everything must be done early ... and you came to our planet from which galaxy?
  • KaPToC
    KaPToC 14 July 2016 17: 23
    0
    And why exactly seventy years? Hawaii USA pressed and annexed.
  • user1212
    user1212 14 July 2016 18: 38
    +5
    Quote: razmik72
    And what is the modern policy of the United States, dear, I did not understand your idea, did the United States squeeze islands from someone over the past 70 years and annex them to their country? Give a concrete example of this.

    Colonial politics does not join the conquered peoples, otherwise they would have to give rights equal to the rights of Americans. The imposition of puppet governments is more beneficial.
  • Garris199
    Garris199 14 July 2016 19: 29
    +1
    Quote: razmik72
    Is the United States who over the past 70 years squeezed islands and annexed to their country?

    The United States only slightly changed the principle of accession. They put countries in economic, political, military dependence (and not always bloodless). And now it’s legal, extending its jurisdiction to other countries. And under them are already more than half of the world, and they distributed their paper everywhere in general.
  • igorka357
    igorka357 15 July 2016 05: 51
    0
    Adik acted openly and aggressively, America-secretly, cunningly, and from within! No more no different!
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 14 July 2016 08: 03
    +5
    Quote: razmik72
    so that the "law of the jungle" reigned in the world - whoever dared, he ate

    ... in fact, there have been no courts "according to law and justice" in the world for a long time. And to obey 1. one-sided verdicts or 2. double standards, if item 1 is not beneficial to "hegemon No. 1", is more expensive for yourself.
    The main meaning is to build a "New World" based on the traditional values ​​developed by Mankind and based on - Justice, Equality ...
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 14 July 2016 08: 09
    +13
    Quote: razmik72
    The author of the article calls for practically the "law of the jungle" to reign in the world

    Well, what can I tell you my Armenian friend, apply to The Hague to recognize Karabakh as part of Armenia. When you receive an answer (message), where it will be written - "Wouldn't you go to FIG" Then let's talk about the law of the jungle.
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 14 July 2016 08: 37
      -2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Quote: razmik72
      The author of the article calls for practically the "law of the jungle" to reign in the world

      Well, what can I tell you my Armenian friend, apply to The Hague to recognize Karabakh as part of Armenia. When you receive an answer (message), where it will be written - "Wouldn't you go to FIG" Then let's talk about the law of the jungle.

      And here is the question of Karabakh, where the Armenians live in this particular period, and the uninhabited islands that China claims to be.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 July 2016 08: 41
        +11
        Quote: razmik72
        And here the issue of Karabakh

        Well, since the Armenians live in Karabakh, the more you need to tear the claws in The Hague. There for the law, there for justice wink
        And so in general, what do you care about the Chinese island?
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 14 July 2016 09: 23
          -4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: razmik72
          And here the issue of Karabakh

          Well, since the Armenians live in Karabakh, the more you need to tear the claws in The Hague. There for the law, there for justice wink
          And so in general, what do you care about the Chinese island?

          Well, yes, we are now on you. I am glad of this. I am very far from the islands in the South China Sea, but if the right of the strong triumphs in the world, then it will not seem enough to my Motherland.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 July 2016 11: 56
            +12
            Quote: razmik72
            , but if the right of the strong triumphs in the world, then it will not seem enough to my Motherland.

            In the world always, at all times, the right of the strong has existed! It has always been like that !!!
  • Corsair
    Corsair 14 July 2016 09: 24
    +11
    Quote: razmik72
    The author of the article calls for practically the fact that the "law of the jungle" reigned in the world - whoever dared, he ate.

    The right of the strong has always existed in this world, no one can besiege the United States and a handful of countries under the auspices of NATO - they bomb whoever they want, they block whoever they want, all these "democratic pribluda" like "world courts" easily lean in the right direction, and the US courts constantly press EU banks and corporations for not sickly fines.
  • fennekRUS
    fennekRUS 14 July 2016 13: 03
    +3
    Quote: razmik72
    calls for practically the fact that the "law of the jungle" reigns in the world

    and he always acted. And what's the difference in what kind of wrapper it was packed?
  • dvaposto
    dvaposto 14 July 2016 18: 11
    +2
    he does not call, it is for the naive, but states the law of nature. nature does not tolerate the weak and sick. morality is only trying to smooth out this law, but is not able to repeal.
  • Ramzaj99
    Ramzaj99 14 July 2016 18: 11
    +2
    The author of the article calls for practically the fact that the "law of the jungle" reigned in the world - whoever dared, he ate.

    Isn’t it right now ?? !!))
    Pin.dos bomb any country they wish and there is enough strength.
    Is there something I don’t see tantrums in the world about the Falkland Islands captured by the war in Britain ?? Something I don’t see human rights activists tearing their last hair in the back, regarding the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey ???
  • user1212
    user1212 14 July 2016 18: 31
    0
    Quote: razmik72
    The author of the article calls for practically the "law of the jungle" to reign in the world

    And now what law reigns?
  • D. Dan
    D. Dan 14 July 2016 22: 42
    +1
    But isn’t the USA doing the same for 100 years already? What about their wolf laws, isn't the court in The Hague their creature?
  • igorka357
    igorka357 15 July 2016 05: 49
    +1
    I will tell you not a good idea! If Germany conquered Europe and stopped, it is not known how history would have turned ..)))! But greed or shocks in the back of Western patrons and prompts pushed the adik into the abyss .. under the name "came to the Russians on their land, there you will stay! "
  • Drozd-den
    Drozd-den 14 July 2016 10: 23
    +6
    So our government in the Kremlin should think for a long time whose territory is Ukraine.
    And spit in the direction of the west, so that they wipe themselves away for a long, long time!
  • Bath
    Bath 14 July 2016 06: 29
    -7
    The laws were invented by the weak, who is stronger, smarter, and he is right. It is obviously interesting how China looks at the riches of Siberia and how, for example, Irkutsk sounds in Chinese?
    1. domokl
      domokl 14 July 2016 06: 35
      +32
      laughing I am not against this point of view. The Chinese will take Siberia ... Only here, as a Siberian, I don’t really see something among the Chinese, a special desire to take away.
      Theoretically, given the attitude to Siberia from the center, this is quite possible. we just don't have people. Physically not. More people live in Moscow than in the whole of the Trans-Urals. Including the Far East.
      Only we do not have Crimea. And not Greece or Turkey. we have Siberia. It’s more difficult to live here. And people, respectively, are more serious. And the Chinese know this.
      So, while there is at least a small number of Siberians, Siberia does not shine for China. And then ... Russia must decide whether it needs these territories.
      1. razmik72
        razmik72 14 July 2016 07: 15
        .
        Quote: domokl
        laughing I am not against this point of view. The Chinese will take Siberia ... Only here, as a Siberian, I don’t really see something among the Chinese, a special desire to take away.
        Theoretically, given the attitude to Siberia from the center, this is quite possible. we just don't have people. Physically not. More people live in Moscow than in the whole of the Trans-Urals. Including the Far East.
        Only we do not have Crimea. And not Greece or Turkey. we have Siberia. It’s more difficult to live here. And people, respectively, are more serious. And the Chinese know this.
        So, while there is at least a small number of Siberians, Siberia does not shine for China. And then ... Russia must decide whether it needs these territories.

        Domokl, did you write this article? The article openly urges to "follow the example" from China and do not care about any conventions, the right proclaims the right of the strong to permissiveness. Such behavior of China will only lead to a big war with its neighbors and if the author supports such behavior of the country in the world, practically approving the "law of the jungle" , then he should know that such behavior will go sideways for any country mired in militarism. The approval of such a policy of China could lead Russia to war with China, if the right of the strong reigns in the world, then I will not envy our descendants, they will have to go through a series of wars and genocides. But what about who thinks what will make a state that spit at least decorative, but international relations, it will not hesitate to use any means to achieve its own goals, up to the genocide of entire peoples and the harsh suppression of its own freedoms citizens.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 July 2016 07: 48
          +19
          Do you think that only the United States and its satellites should have the "right of the strong"?

          The war of China with Russia? Not funny. Both Moscow and Beijing are well aware that Washington cannot make a greater gift.
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 14 July 2016 08: 14
            .
            Quote: Spade
            Do you think that only the United States and its satellites should have the "right of the strong"?

            The war of China with Russia? Not funny. Both Moscow and Beijing are well aware that Washington cannot make a greater gift.

            Nobody should have the right of the strong; the USA does not attach any territories to it with brute force, at least for the last 70 years.
            And where is your confidence that in Beijing all your conclusions are recognized, dear artillery expert, and they will not want to go into a rage and dine not only at the expense of the countries of Southeast Asia.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 14 July 2016 09: 27
              +10
              Quote: razmik72
              Nobody should have the right of the strong; the USA does not attach any territories to it with brute force, at least for the last 70 years.

              laughing Well, yes - it is, they are stupidly occupying countries, creating some kind of precedent and building their bases - and then they cannot be driven out of there.
            2. tankist epta
              tankist epta 14 July 2016 11: 07
              +5
              As I understand it, in Vietnam, the US just walked and carried the ideas of democracy ?! You are a kind of sane person, but here you are carried somewhere, like a boy with youthful maximalism. Believe in such tales .. Enough of globalism and populism, only defending your interests, the interests of the country and your people!
            3. mihai_md2003
              mihai_md2003 14 July 2016 12: 13
              +8
              Quote: razmik72
              do not attach any territories to themselves with brute force, at least in the last 70 years.

              This is a dead argument. They act differently, but they don't stick the flag, but they use military force and change the government to their own. Grenada to help you in 1983. If you can't change the government, they declare a blockade or an embargo from Cuba to help you. They easily declare that this or that action is dictated by their national interests or the struggle with the "dictator" for "democracy" Iraq and Libya to help you. They plunge countries into chaos just to annoy their rivals, Ukraine to help you. And they don't pay attention to any decisions of the UN or any arbitration tribunals. Leave all this talk of justice for fools. If you have the strength, you will write the rules - no, sit still. Unfortunately, humanity today has not invented anything new at this stage of development. There was a faint hope that the UN would change something, but the states themselves are destroying this system Yugoslavia to help you, the same Iraq. So if you were not born yesterday there is nothing to be offended at China.
            4. KaPToC
              KaPToC 14 July 2016 17: 43
              +4
              Japan and Germany are currently under American occupation.
            5. Ramzaj99
              Ramzaj99 14 July 2016 18: 23
              +3
              Quote: razmik72
              Nobody should have the right of the strong; the USA does not attach any territories to it with brute force, at least for the last 70 years.

              Well ridiculed))))))))
              Why should they attach on their island ?????
              They have over 300 MILITARY bases in Europe. Everything has long been attached)))))
        2. domokl
          domokl 14 July 2016 08: 02
          +28
          Quote: razmik72
          openly encouraged to "follow the example" of China

          What are you? Do you really think that Russia should continue to play by the rules that are constantly changing to please the "great" power and its mongrels from the same military bloc?
          Russia is trying to play, so what? We see an open threat to our security. And all international law is silent. Why are military bases getting closer and closer to our borders, despite all the assurances? Why is the defeat of several countries this most international law is not condemned? Why decisions are binding only on the rest. For those who consider themselves the mainstays of democracy, there is no democracy at all?
          Yes, we are a strong country. And we do not want to "lie down" under someone. China is the same. And then there are many countries that do not believe in international law. But due to their dependence, they are forced to pretend that everything is fine.
          Why do events in the Donbass concern only Russia? For two years they cried out that there were Russian troops. finally it dawned that it’s stupid to blame for dead batteries in phones. Now about our instructors and volunteers shout.
          And why are they silent about European instructors and volunteers in fascist battalions? why are silent about PMCs western? Why are they silent about the supply of weapons and instructors? why they don’t talk about American instructors at the training center in Khmelnitsky? But they train subversive specialists there.
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 July 2016 08: 10
          +23
          Quote: razmik72
          The article openly calls for "following an example" from China and do not care about any conventions

          When in 2014 Russia returned Crimea. In the Chinese media, they called on to take an example from Russia, how to return your hi
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 14 July 2016 08: 43
            -8
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: razmik72
            The article openly calls for "following an example" from China and do not care about any conventions

            When in 2014 Russia returned Crimea. In the Chinese media, they called on to take an example from Russia, how to return your hi

            If you already raised the question of Crimea, then I will say that Russian people live there and a referendum was held, and China did not openly capture the islands, considering itself superior to the rest. There are no people on these islands and I think it is not correct to compare them with Crimea.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 14 July 2016 08: 58
              +9
              Quote: razmik72
              , and China does not overtly seize the islands, considering itself superior to the rest

              True, but it’s nothing that they were 800 Chinese so long before the Second World War.
              Quote: razmik72
              On these islands there is no population and I consider it not correct to compare them with the Crimea.

              No population, well, nothing will be soon.
            2. nerd.su
              nerd.su 14 July 2016 11: 37
              +8
              Quote: razmik72
              On these islands there is no population and I consider it not correct to compare them with the Crimea.

              So if these are uninhabited islands, why do you think that China violates international law? On what grounds does the Philippines have more rights to these islands? Why did the Philippines go to The Hague and not to the UN Maritime Commission?
              The ownership of "no-man's" land is determined in several ways. The right of a pioneer, economic activity and, oddly enough, the ability to protect these territories from the claims of neighbors and determination in the issue of protection. The Philippines does not operate there and is unable to protect these territories from the claims of China. Their trip to The Hague is very reminiscent of an attempt to raid a large company by the most minority shareholder. China initially did not accept the jurisdiction of the court in The Hague over its territorial disputes with its neighbors. The decision of this court is not binding, it is, in principle, nothing more than a recommendation. So where is China wrong then? Where is the non-compliance with international law?
              Russia, by the way, behaves in a similar way in relation to the shelf in the Arctic. One of the strongest "arguments" to the application to the UN Commission on the shelf, although not included in the application officially laughingis a military presence in the region. So the authors of the article in vain urge Russia to follow the example of China. We have long been on our way. We do not confront the world community with a fact, but force it to accept and consolidate the decision we need.
              1. Operator
                Operator 14 July 2016 13: 08
                +6
                Comparison of the decisions of the Hague arbitration on Yukos and the islands in the South China Sea is incorrect:
                - Russia initially recognized the competence of the arbitration and appointed one of the arbitrators;
                - China initially did not recognize the competence of arbitration and did not participate in its work.

                Another thing is that the Hague arbitration in the Yukos case roughly went beyond its competence (the adoption of an international agreement that Russia has not ratified, and ignoring the decisions of the tax authorities - in violation of the Charter of Arbitration, which led to the cancellation of the arbitral award by a Dutch court of general jurisdiction).

                In connection with the initial non-recognition by China of the competence of the Hague arbitration, its decision on a territorial dispute is void.

                With respect to the islands, China acts strictly within the framework of international law - the ownership of the islands is still at odds, only one country (China) conducts economic activity on them, before that the islands were uninhabited and at the time were inhabited only by Chinese citizens.

                Under international law, such territorial disputes are not resolved in court, but on a bilateral or multilateral basis between all applicants, as China recalled.

                The same thing happened with Crimea - Russia acted strictly in the framework of international law providing for the right of the people to self-determination (UN Charter), including when another part of the people already has their own state (decision of the UN International Court of Justice for Kosovo). The people of Crimea first determined themselves in a referendum, and then their representative body decided to join the Federation.
                1. nerd.su
                  nerd.su 14 July 2016 13: 37
                  0
                  Quote: Operator
                  Comparison of the decisions of the Hague arbitration on Yukos and the islands in the South China Sea is incorrect:

                  If you addressed this to me, then I don’t speak about Yukos and Crimea at all.
                  I mean our application for the Arctic shelf. Which we filed with the UN against the backdrop of a sharp increase in our military presence in the Arctic. At the same time, we are conducting dialogue with the Arctic countries in both multilateral and bilateral formats.
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 14 July 2016 14: 26
                    +2
                    This is me against the argumentation of razmik72, which is on my black list.
                    1. nerd.su
                      nerd.su 14 July 2016 15: 15
                      0
                      How difficult smile So enter it in the white list so that there is no spoiled phone laughing
        4. Shark Lover
          Shark Lover 14 July 2016 08: 10
          +2
          But now everyone is dancing to the amers. Why? Strong financially. He grew up a child, and here he breaks, shows, but not little teeth, but yellow fangs at once
        5. guzik007
          guzik007 14 July 2016 08: 38
          +8
          The article openly calls for "following an example" from China and do not care about any conventions, the right proclaims the right of the strong to permissiveness.
          -------------------------------------
          But it seems to me that China is right. He just picked up the ownerless and equips them economically. Now, if the Philippines or the Yapas, who are under the protection of the "lights of democracy", did this, then, I think, The Hague would fully confirm their rights.
          In general, the dragon has long been waiting for a chance to show teeth. And glory to the Almighty, which is not in our direction. So, everything is going according to plan and in our favor.
          1. Gabor
            Gabor 14 July 2016 10: 42
            +1
            Quote: guzik007
            But it seems to me that China is right. He just picked up the ownerless and economically equips.
            In this way, China will be right simply by “picking up” the ownerless lands of the Far East and Siberia and equipping them economically ..
            1. Olegovi4
              Olegovi4 15 July 2016 15: 35
              0
              Quote: Gabor
              Quote: guzik007
              But it seems to me that China is right. He just picked up the ownerless and economically equips.
              In this way, China will be right simply by “picking up” the ownerless lands of the Far East and Siberia and equipping them economically ..

              you can still get an atlas in geography, eh? there you will see lines, such red ones, the state border is called. yeah. ownerless ...
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 14 July 2016 07: 37
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        Russia must decide whether it needs these territories.

        And how can this be resolved in favor of Russia with an immeasurable number of Zapadl's agents of influence in all echelons of power in the "Scattering"? The Russian Federation will only be able to pursue its own, and not its imposed foreign and domestic policy, when it puts the fifth column under the knife.
    2. rvRomanoff
      rvRomanoff 14 July 2016 07: 52
      +2
      China is much more than many would like, integrated into the Western world order, and, therefore, dependent on it. As San Sanych wrote about him, this is just a card comparable today with an ace of trumps, but he is not a player and will not become one in the foreseeable future. In any case, not earlier than in accordance with their philosophy, the corpses of all today's players will not pass by them.
      1. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 14 July 2016 12: 01
        +1
        Quote: rvRomanoff
        it is much more than many would like, integrated into the Western world order, and, therefore, dependent on it. As San Sanych wrote about him, this is just a card comparable today with an ace of trumps, but he is not a player and will not become one in the foreseeable future. In any case, not earlier than in accordance with their philosophy, the corpses of all today's players will not pass by them.


        Of course, so many international corporations have production facilities, real estate, etc. there that any "administration" will think seven times before introducing any sanctions.

        Not many Americans worked in Russia and they dumped, as soon as they told ATUNG in the database!
        Although some remained - they wanted to put on the wishes of the administration of the white house.
    3. KaPToC
      KaPToC 14 July 2016 17: 40
      +1
      The Chinese will buy resources, the Chinese are seizing territories favorable for the Chinese and this is NOT SIBERIA.
    4. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 16 July 2016 05: 36
      0
      Quote: Bath
      The laws were invented by the weak, who is stronger, smarter, and he is right. It is obviously interesting how China looks at the riches of Siberia and how, for example, Irkutsk sounds in Chinese?

      Stupidity wrote. At least a hundred weak people will come up with 100 laws they will only wipe. Laws are written by the weak, but at the dictation of the strong. The law is needed to fix and maintain the "status quo". So that the rams know how to behave, so as not to fall under the knife. But you can't go to the dragon with a knife, let it fly.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 14 July 2016 06: 34
    0
    Whether the Chinese like it or not, it is now a precedent and part of international law. And in general it is correct, otherwise everyone will begin to fill up the islands on the shoals and declare territorial waters around them. These waters have been declared international, and I would like to see how the Chinese border boats will push the AUG passing through them from "their territorial waters". Or even a single frigate or a plane flying there.
    1. domokl
      domokl 14 July 2016 06: 38
      +12
      There are already enough examples. They are pushed aside and do not really care about the reaction of the offended. Moreover, it seems that China is deliberately provoking its neighbors to "stress."
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 14 July 2016 06: 52
        0
        Well, it’s free to strain the Vietnamese or even the Filipinos. So let them try to strain at least the Japanese, and even more so the US Navy.
        1. domokl
          domokl 14 July 2016 07: 02
          +9
          I wrote above about the Chinese response to Kirby’s speech. We tried it already. And the planes yesterday flew to both aerodromes on the atolls. And these same yusnavis, like hanging out in the ocean, are hanging out. Yes, and Chinanavi seems to be somewhere around ...
          Yus will not get into a serious conflict. Cowards. And on the show-offs it didn’t ride here
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 14 July 2016 07: 09
            -3
            They have already sent both planes and ships (so far only destroyers, but if anything, then a couple of AUG are patrolling there). And they sent the Chinese when they shouted on the radio about the "violation of Chinese territory" and demanded to turn them away. And the Chinese swallowed it.
            1. Mikhail Krapivin
              Mikhail Krapivin 14 July 2016 08: 24
              +2
              Quote: Nagan
              They have already sent both planes and ships (so far only destroyers, but if anything, then a couple of AUG are patrolling there). And they sent the Chinese when they shouted on the radio about the "violation of Chinese territory" and demanded to turn them away. And the Chinese swallowed it.


              Americans can and will graze there. As long as it suits China. Then some incident will happen with a "crazy" Chinese pilot who "suddenly and spontaneously" attacked and sank an American destroyer, the Americans will get angry, shout to the whole world and get out of the region. After that, they will try to influence the situation, strengthening their puppets, all sorts of the Philippines, but this will not hold China back for a long time. And the United States will not enter into open confrontation on the other side of the world, it is weak against China.
        2. kolyhalovs
          kolyhalovs 14 July 2016 07: 07
          +3
          Something I doubt that US Navy will be Filipino fishermen graze. And the United States will not organize production there. Aggravation too sharp. Well come in, well come out. The Chinese will swear loudly, and then continue theirs. I strongly doubt that the United States will even tear its claws for its Filipinos. To support is yes (the court’s decision didn’t come from the air), but in such a way that it is possible to push the ships with their foreheads, this is not.
        3. Stas157
          Stas157 14 July 2016 07: 52
          +3
          Quote: Nagan
          So let them try to strain at least the Japanese, and even more so the US Navy.

          So China is annoying Japan! And how! Even the Americans do not save! Did you hear the Senkaku Islands?
      2. razmik72
        razmik72 14 July 2016 07: 21
        .
        Quote: domokl
        There are already enough examples. They are pushed aside and do not really care about the reaction of the offended. Moreover, it seems that China is deliberately provoking its neighbors to "stress."

        China just wants war, that’s all, the Chinese economy has shown the lowest growth in 30 years, it’s practically stagnating, and the CPC Central Committee practically provokes and seeks war to distract the Chinese masses from internal problems and achieve the approved course of the party and government. such a policy didn’t bring anyone good.
        1. asadov
          asadov 14 July 2016 07: 54
          +6
          China does not want war. China wants, like any state, sources of cheap raw materials for its industry. And also control over maritime trade routes. And the law is strong ... No matter how it is covered up or criticized, it always has been and will be.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 July 2016 07: 57
          +11
          If growth of 6.7% is "practically stagnation" ... what should you call the American 1.1%?
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 14 July 2016 08: 46
            -4
            Quote: Spade
            If growth of 6.7% is "practically stagnation" ... what should you call the American 1.1%?

            Chinese statistics are fake, leading economists have written about this more than once.
            1. DimerVladimer
              DimerVladimer 14 July 2016 12: 04
              +4
              Quote: razmik72
              Chinese statistics are fake, leading economists have written about this more than once.


              Perhaps these "leading economists" advise the Medvedev cabinet? They calm down - but there can be 6.7% of the Chinese - they lie !!!
            2. KaPToC
              KaPToC 14 July 2016 18: 14
              +2
              Is the American truthful?
        3. Stas157
          Stas157 14 July 2016 07: 59
          +6
          Quote: razmik72
          she almost stagnates

          The Chinese economy is stagnating so much that the United States paid in terms of GDP, becoming the first economy in the world in 2014! The Americans themselves say that China is already unrealistic to catch up.
        4. domokl
          domokl 14 July 2016 08: 12
          +1
          China showed the lowest economic growth. Low for himself. China is not at all for the war. This accusation is based exactly on the same basis as Russia's aggressive plans in Europe. China simply makes the Americans feel that they are not afraid of them.
          The policy of intimidation among the Chinese failed. So they will agree. Will express concern.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 14 July 2016 08: 42
            +2
            Quote: domokl
            China showed the lowest economic growth

            Who showed high? Everything is relative. Now, in the conditions of the world crisis, when everything is falling for everyone, one can only dream of such "low growth"! For example, us, Russia!
            1. DimerVladimer
              DimerVladimer 14 July 2016 12: 11
              +1
              Quote: Stas157
              Who showed high? Everything is relative. Now, in the conditions of the world crisis, when everything is falling for everyone, one can only dream of such "low growth"! For example, us, Russia!


              And who said that there is a global crisis? Something is not noticeable in other economies. If Russia is in the red - this does not mean that the rest are doing badly - it has not been noticed.
        5. MMX
          MMX 14 July 2016 08: 25
          +1
          Quote: razmik72

          China just wants war, that’s all, the Chinese economy has shown the lowest growth in 30 years, it almost stagnates


          In one proposal, to make so many mistakes - this should be tried ...
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 14 July 2016 09: 12
            -3
            Quote: MMX
            Quote: razmik72

            China just wants war, that’s all, the Chinese economy has shown the lowest growth in 30 years, it almost stagnates


            In one proposal, to make so many mistakes - this should be tried ...

            You just unfoundedly accused me of mistakes, give specific examples.
            1. MMX
              MMX 14 July 2016 11: 59
              +3
              Quote: razmik72
              Quote: MMX
              Quote: razmik72

              China just wants war, that’s all, the Chinese economy has shown the lowest growth in 30 years, it almost stagnates


              In one proposal, to make so many mistakes - this should be tried ...

              You just unfoundedly accused me of mistakes, give specific examples.


              1. "China wants war." The war is not beneficial for China, because he has economic growth and there is still a lot to do;
              1.2. To the previous: China is already achieving results, without extreme measures - war;
              2. "The lowest growth of the economy". Yeah, taking into account India, these are the two fastest growing economies in the world (compare with the EU and the US, for curiosity);
              3. "Stagnation". I admit that in Armenia, economic growth of 6,9% is considered stagnation. But other countries see the world differently ...

              P.S. If we talk about unfoundedness, then you did not particularly bother to cite examples that confirm your arguments. For example, China’s desire to certainly fight. By the way, when was the last time China fought?
        6. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 14 July 2016 09: 41
          +2
          Quote: razmik72
          China just wants war, that’s it, the Chinese economy has shown the lowest growth in 30 years

          But it still remains the highest in the world, growth slowed to 7%, in the United States with a stretch and bubbles of 1,5%. Here is such stagnation.
          You want it or not, but the world will have to reckon with China and its interests.
        7. Chisayna
          Chisayna 14 July 2016 12: 48
          0
          If China has the lowest economic growth in the last 30 years, then Armenia is like a sick man who won’t recover.
        8. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 16 July 2016 17: 47
          0
          Yes, you’ve abruptly done away with China. Something similar is being said and weeped on one interesting RBC channel. There sobs are right by the river. Well, it’s clear that our gentlemen metallurgy got worried there. China began to stop inefficient rivals with our inefficient ones. It’s necessary that China just destroys them. Our people consider how many unemployed there will be and hush up the truth. They are building several highly productive from a needle with new technologies of factories. It’s just that China will fulfill those decisions that it adopted the congress of the ruling party. And they will be executed. No one in China doubts. And by the way, for some reason, a very positive balance in trade is constantly well, stagnation is direct. We would like that. Half a month back the first new transport aircraft went and the release will increase. Here they wrote about it. And the order is not a match for our Thousand pieces. Now in China, a struggle has begun for products that are not inferior in quality to similar foreign models. We would have such zeal. Chinese construction sites a long time ago occupied the front pages of Guinness. Highways, railways, the largest airport in Beijing, the longest e metro and much more. Bridges in China are a separate issue. There, very strict legislation has taken up standards, etc. Our agricultural products are struggling to break into the domestic market of China. Strict standards and regulations. Mr. Tkachev himself spoke about this. Our products love but the requirements are such that not everyone can fulfill them. Here is China. I used to think our chicken and pork cereal would go with a bang. Tkachev admitted that not all manufacturers can meet this standard. That's right. By the way, he is reducing his army. He simply becomes on a par with those who have always dictated the rules in the international arena. We would have such a fall. The Yankees missed their chance to dictate conditions in 2008. Not until China they saved their corporations and China then used its money to full program. During the crisis, they thoroughly managed their financial resources. They acquired such high technology that they never sold them, and here the crisis is to the benefit. And the result, we often already here on the forum already read about the achievements.
    2. Mowgli
      Mowgli 14 July 2016 07: 57
      +4
      Whether the Chinese like it or not, it is now a precedent and part of international law.


      Why not the other way around? Whether someone likes it or not, there have already been precedents (violations of the so-called "international law"). Repeated.
      Northern Cyprus recall, for example.
      Former Yugoslavia ...
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    3. Rus2012
      Rus2012 14 July 2016 08: 51
      +3
      Quote: Nagan
      to displace from "their territorial waters" the AUG passing through them. Or even a single frigate or a plane flying there.

      Quote: domokl
      They are pushed aside and do not really care about the reaction of the offended. Moreover, it seems that China is deliberately provoking its neighbors to "stress."

      Quote: domokl
      And the planes yesterday flew to both aerodromes on the atolls. And these same yusnavis, like hanging out in the ocean, are hanging out. Yes, and Chinanavi seems to be somewhere around ...
      Yus will not get into a serious conflict. Cowards. And on the show-offs it didn’t ride here


      ... the point here is that the US strategy of containing China was precisely to "lock and isolate" them from sea routes if necessary. Those. when they see fit. And then a kapets would come to the "world factory of the 21st century" ...

      All of China's actions in these areas are dictated by "widening horizons" in order to break the US stranglehold strategy.
      At the same time, China relies on the Strategic Rocket Forces of Russia, the guarantor in these endeavors ...
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 14 July 2016 09: 33
        0
        Quote: Rus2012
        At the same time, China relies on the Strategic Rocket Forces of Russia, the guarantor in these endeavors ...

        In support of -
        11 July 2016, 09: 55
        Immediately 400 launchers "Topol-M" and "Yars" advanced to landfills throughout Russia
        About four hundred launchers, including Topol-M and Yars, advanced to the ranges as part of large-scale exercises in the Strategic Missile Forces.

        Brigades of military personnel work out the tasks of carrying out combat duty from the Tver region to the Altai Territory.

        During combat training, missile launchers will make multi-kilometer marches, work out the methodology for withdrawing systems to field positions and perform camouflage and combat guard techniques. They also have to make conditional missile launches.


        Someone might say that a coincidence ...
  • Gavril
    Gavril 14 July 2016 07: 02
    +3
    Just from the Chinese, because of their mentality, you can expect anything you want)))
  • Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 14 July 2016 07: 09
    +7
    If I'm not mistaken, in the photo are Indonesian ships, not Chinese ones.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Военно-морские_силы_Индонезии

    So, even here they got into a puddle.

    And yes, you can talk as much as you want about American influence on The Hague, but China actually has no legal rights to Spratly, which the international court gladly confirmed. Roughly speaking, Beijing does not even have historical rights to them. All the Chinese "evidence" with which I had the opportunity to get acquainted, are in the range of "one grandmother said it was so", ending with coarse historical fakes a la "Walking of Ivan Novgorod"
    1. Dulat
      Dulat 15 July 2016 01: 11
      0
      It turns out China is insolent, another hegemon. With these laws, the jungle wants other countries to acquire atomic bombs. China, wherever you look everywhere, was based on part of the territory of other countries.
      1. domokl
        domokl 15 July 2016 03: 40
        0
        Quote: Dulat
        With these laws, the jungle wants other countries to acquire atomic bombs.

        Stupidity ... A little dog, an old puppy. The presence of several nuclear charges does not change the situation at all. Israel itself is well aware that its nuclear weapons are a pure pro forma to deter Arabs. no more. Any nuclear weapons charge in Israel will return the territory to the status quo.
  • Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 14 July 2016 07: 24
    +2
    It’s also time for us to do the same for a long time!
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 14 July 2016 08: 33
      +3
      Quote: Darth Revan
      It’s also time for us to do the same for a long time!

      Are you talking about whom? Chinese, Americans, Filipinos?
      1. Baikal
        Baikal 14 July 2016 09: 46
        0
        Australia is historically part of Russia !!! 111 laughing
  • shinobi
    shinobi 14 July 2016 07: 34
    +3
    China can afford a lot, because they have 60% of world production now. So to say, they keep the West Faberge through their property. We can and should do the same with the EU, they depend on us much more than they expected.
  • Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 14 July 2016 07: 50
    +4
    You can treat the Chinese differently. But they have one thing to learn. This is adherence and perseverance in fulfilling the goals.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 14 July 2016 08: 11
    +2
    Quote: domokl
    Not sure. China is tough enough yesterday advised the US to "think carefully" about this issue. And this sounded after the speech of John Kirby, in which he quite categorically stated that failure to comply with the decision would be "a violation of international law".

    So what? Allow me, the state, which does not take this right into account, makes a strict remark to the naughty man who dared to do the same, what should be the reaction of China - impose! America is well aware of China's possible economic pressure on its beloved, in which case. No sanctions will work here.
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 14 July 2016 08: 16
    +3
    Since the end of 2013, Beijing has been conducting large-scale hydrotechnical and construction work in the South China Sea to create artificial islands, as well as to expand and develop these territories.

    17 March 2016 in Beijing announced that they would plant about half a million trees on disputed islands.

    28 May 2016 of the year China has placed drones on one of the disputed islands.

    1 June Beijing announced that it would create its own identification air defense zone over the South China Sea, which will be extended to all the disputed islands controlled by the PRC.

    9 July 2016 The People’s Liberation Army of China conducted military exercises in the South China Sea, involving surface ships, submarines, military aircraft and coast guard forces.

    10 July 2016, China announced the creation of four lighthouses on the reefs of the South China Sea and the construction of the fifth. "


    As already said yesterday, the Chinese are handsome, who purposefully and consistently go to their goal, scoring on the rest of the world. Moreover, they have this goal, unlike us. No, we certainly know that we want something, but we don’t know what exactly .. And, accordingly, we don’t know how to achieve this. Hence the confusion, vacillation and complete uncertainty. But they would decide for example - we need military bases in Cuba, Venezuela, Vietnam. Defined goals, ways to achieve them - and forward. And so ...
    1. Sergeant Pank
      Sergeant Pank 14 July 2016 15: 27
      0
      In my opinion, our expansion into the Arctic is quite a goal.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 14 July 2016 17: 11
        -1
        Quote: Sergeant Pank
        In my opinion, our expansion into the Arctic is quite a goal.

        So Russia is the aggressor there. Now, if not to move ...
        1. Pissarro
          Pissarro 14 July 2016 17: 27
          +3
          we will be passive aggressors. Even if we die, we will be dead aggressors
  • standing
    standing 14 July 2016 08: 17
    +8
    Nobody has ever canceled the right of the strong. Not a single weak country has ever sought by courts and treaties any significant preferences for itself. They only negotiate with the strong and listen to the strong. War is a continuation of politics, ce la vie. For now, we can be glad that China is deployed "in the right direction" and we have time to gain a foothold in the Far East.
    1. Stauffenberg
      Stauffenberg 14 July 2016 09: 44
      +1
      I agree. It must be understood that the Chinese left us the Far East only thanks to our army and navy, more precisely nuclear weapons. Although no one has studied the extent of penetration of Chinese capital into the economy of the Far East. You can turn into slaves without military capture.
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 14 July 2016 08: 49
    +5
    When will our authorities learn how to talk with Western trash, at least like China? Well, it’s somehow calmer to suck off at America and geyropa, apparently ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 14 July 2016 10: 57
      +2
      If you go without trump cards, then you can end badly.

      China has a trump card in the form of a working economy (but there is a car of problems, it is very vulnerable to sanctions, but there’s a counter-stick, if China sags, then everyone else is also bad, there’s the recent stock market crisis, as the whole world shook due to falling indices in China, for a whole quarter), large reserves, as well as a powerful argument in the form of a new fleet. Which they are also building at an incredible pace.

      Here are two photos of the Type 001A aircraft carrier at 65 tons. The first of November 000 - the second of July 2015.
  • luxprofi
    luxprofi 14 July 2016 08: 59
    +3
    Quotation. "And it is worth remembering that the communists from time immemorial have been able to" take away and divide in justice. "And the Chinese communists are hardly any different from others in this regard. They confiscate and nationalize with pleasure, as bequeathed by the great creators of communism."
    The true meaning is always hidden somewhere. Some kind of China, Vietnam, and other Europe with Malaysia. The main message of the article is to drain the brain of readers with idle talk, and insert your 3 pennies about communist expropriators. Therefore, you can not delve further, and not read. Parhataya, the dense hatred of the Communists, overshadows everything else. Like smelly old socks that were laid on a beautifully laid table. What national interests can communists have? Only take away and nationalize. According to the author of the article, everything looks that way. Rot.
  • Leto
    Leto 14 July 2016 09: 04
    -5
    The author claps his hands too happily too early. Of course, the court decision can be ignored, but then you need to be prepared for the fact that no company in the world wants to conduct exploration and production of oil and gas on this shelf. Whatever preferences promise. Will they be able to do it on their own? Well, please, as much as you like.
    With regards to the oil itself. The time of expensive oil has passed and will not return, and at such prices it is extremely unprofitable to conduct production on the shelf.
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 14 July 2016 12: 18
      +1
      Quote: Leto
      The author claps his hands too happily too early. Of course, the court decision can be ignored, but then you need to be prepared for the fact that no company in the world wants to conduct exploration and production of oil and gas on this shelf. Whatever preferences promise. Will they be able to do it on their own? Well, please, as much as you like.
      With regards to the oil itself. The time of expensive oil has passed and will not return, and at such prices it is extremely unprofitable to conduct production on the shelf.


      The Chinese are building drilling platforms for the whole world - they have been independently mining for a long time on the shelf - CNPC is coping.
      And by the way, they deliver to the Russian Federation drilling rigs from offshore to mobile, drilling tools and equipment copied from world famous manufacturers.
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    2. Backfire
      Backfire 16 July 2016 18: 44
      0
      That’s all they will get. Or ours will be called in partners.
  • cap
    cap 14 July 2016 09: 24
    +3
    Only in one aspect: if we, that is, Russia, make decisions without looking at the rotten Europe and its overseas host. By analogy with China, but in its own style.
    Author Alexander Staver, Roman Skomorokhov


    Our Crimea. So we can.
    The court in The Hague did not recognize the genocide in Serbia and Croatia, maybe let them concentrate on Europe.
  • Backfire
    Backfire 14 July 2016 09: 41
    +3
    Well done Chinese, they wanted to spit on court decisions, national interests should be higher.
  • Saffron
    Saffron 14 July 2016 10: 32
    +2
    There is a joke on the same topic:
    Ilya Muromets comes home somehow. Looks - the old father lies all battered. He's asking:
    - Who is that you?
    - Yes, here ... Nightingale the Robber.
    - Oh, he s * ka !!! Nuka, let's go to a showdown!
    They come to the showdown, Ilya asks the Nightingale the Robber:
    - You know me?
    - Well, of course, Ilyushenka, who doesn’t know you!
    - So this is my father!
    - Yes, he is a goat! - and old women in the face.
    Ilya is menacing again:
    - You know me?
    - Of course, Ilyushenka, you keep the whole forest! Everyone here knows you!
    - So this is it - my father!
    - Yes, he is a goat! - old women in the face.
    Ilya is furious:
    - You know me?
    Then the old man could not stand it:
    - Ilyushenka, let's go home, well, there’s such a showdown ...
    The United States is also strong in spirit and show off, but when it comes down to business ...
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 14 July 2016 10: 40
    +5
    America was not seriously concerned with China. The point is that Russia exists. And oddly enough, it is she who is the key to a future dispute. We will bend under the "golden yard", the United States will bend the Chinese, as they did before in Libya, for example. if we "end up" with China, it will be difficult for the United States. But it is better to stand on the sidelines and get rid of statements about the priority of "international law" and the UN. China, playing its own game, during Nixon's time "deserted" to the side of the United States. The PRC received more bonuses from this than the United States, developed, rose, pretending that they were in the field of the West. Now, the PRC must turn its economic strength into a political one. Influence in Africa and South America based on trade and investment is great, but they got kicked out of Libya and wiped out. This was also noticed by everyone. Let's see how China manages to become a full-fledged player in the world. Watching Russia hooligan on the world stage (from the American point of view) and squeezing the islands on the sly is great, but if Sauron's eye turns to China, what will happen then? After all, the Americans are asleep and see how, due to the anti-Chinese sanctions, they can return part of production to the United States, or can they build relations with Vietnam or India? there consumer goods can also be produced and exported to the United States. What then? How about unemployment? I arrived from Shanghai 3 months ago and learned from conversations with partners - there are immeasurable problems there and the huge production of everything and everything - IS NOT A PANACEA. Let's see if the dragon is real or cardboard?
  • pigkiller
    pigkiller 14 July 2016 10: 42
    0
    China was at the crossroads of history in 1989 and made its choice. In its results you can
    make sure by comparing China 1980, 1990, 2000s. I’ll add that for 50 years, China has not lost
    1 sq.m of its territory, regaining Hong Kong and Macau. The main foreign policy issue remains Taiwan.
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 14 July 2016 12: 22
      +3
      Quote: pigkiller
      China was at the crossroads of history in 1989 and made its choice. In its results you can
      make sure by comparing China 1980, 1990, 2000s. I’ll add that for 50 years, China has not lost
      1 sq.m of its territory, regaining Hong Kong and Macau. The main foreign policy issue remains Taiwan.


      This foreign policy problem can be solved in a completely non-trivial way - to fill a dam in a rather shallow sea and surround Taiwan with "Chinese land", Taiwan will become the inner territory of China - a funny proposal :)
  • Nelepost
    Nelepost 14 July 2016 10: 52
    +1
    For me, the "confrontation between the US and China" artificially whips up the media, if everything were so, then the Chinese Navy would not participate in joint exercises with the US Navy. I’m wondering: our government considers the United States to be a “capricious” partner, but does not conduct joint exercises. And ask yourself how the "patriotic" Chinese will react if the party suddenly changes direction and says that they have found an understanding with the United States, but they have a lot of pretensions towards Russia ...
  • pigkiller
    pigkiller 14 July 2016 11: 14
    0
    Quote: Nelepost
    however, does not conduct joint exercises

    You are poorly informed. The exercises of the Russian and Chinese navies are held periodically, including in the South China Sea. Moreover, this year the command and staff exercises of the Strategic Missile Forces and the RKS of the PRC were held. A separate conversation about military-technical cooperation. I would like to hear from you a list of the PRC's "claims" against Russia. Thanks.
  • Doppelgänger
    Doppelgänger 14 July 2016 12: 04
    +2
    Men, what is the dispute about?)) China, the most ancient civilization, cunning guys. They will always achieve their goal, do not wash like that. As they say, "The East is a delicate matter" And if someone shows NATO the middle finger (be it China, North Korea, yes even about Easter) ... Well, I am personally glad
    1. ver_
      ver_ 17 July 2016 04: 42
      0
      All the antiquity of Chinese civilization was falsified in the 17th century, as well as its entire history ..
  • Sarmat149
    Sarmat149 14 July 2016 12: 51
    -1
    Quote: razmik72
    Fifth, why Russia helped Armenia in such a way, I don’t know, you won’t tell me. Otherwise, forum users write about this all the time, but I don’t know everything.
    Sixth, Russia supplies arms to Azerbaijan for billions of dollars, which at the same time upsets the balance of power in the region.


    Russia has helped Armenia by simply living. Could not live, but be cut out. Think carefully about the history of your people, what are YOU generally worth.
  • Nelepost
    Nelepost 14 July 2016 12: 58
    +1
    pigkiller - it seems that he expressed his thought vaguely, he meant the teachings of Russia and the United States. Now there are no claims from the PRC, but if the United States and China become at the same time, it may well appear in the spirit: so much empty territory, and we have overpopulation, you are not "democratic" on the globe, or about huge deposits of minerals that are not being developed and therefore the progress of mankind is inhibited.
  • Nelepost
    Nelepost 14 July 2016 13: 22
    0
    Anything can be invented for expansion. I think that the PRC party would not say which development vector it would not choose, the Chinese will follow it. I’m talking about the fact that the media are very much pumping up information about the confrontation between the United States and China, because they have examples of cooperation in the military sphere too, and lately, analytics has been presented on this topic too painfully
    1. pigkiller
      pigkiller 14 July 2016 13: 30
      0
      You are absolutely right: the basis of China's foreign policy is exclusively pragmatism. The Chinese are extremely tough on business. Wring out your interest as much as possible. The Chinese respect the US as a successful rival. Ideology is secondary to them. They are also obliged to love Russia. Therefore, relations with them should be built on the basis of pragmatism and a strategic perspective.
  • azer
    azer 14 July 2016 13: 27
    +2
    A good kick in the ass of Europe and America
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 14 July 2016 13: 37
    -1
    Our Chinese example will not work. Under the current anti-people government. In the Kremlin and pr-ve more than half are US apologists. There is little hope for the September elections.
  • Energetick
    Energetick 14 July 2016 13: 59
    +3
    Well, yes, China has shown that Europe, like the United States, is worthless, like their courts. Because the real owner of the drum mongrel. We must do the same in cases where Russia wants to take something away!
  • Ima tsoh
    Ima tsoh 14 July 2016 16: 45
    +1
    It is respectable how they ignore all Western offices created from the standpoint of exclusivity.
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 14 July 2016 17: 10
      +1
      so the funny thing is that the charter of this court says

      can consider a case only with the consent of all disputing parties


      China did not go there

      Although the West does not care about such subtleties.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 July 2016 17: 13
    +1
    This is because the opinions of small countries are not always taken into account.
  • Sasha_Sar
    Sasha_Sar 14 July 2016 17: 32
    +4
    We have an Arctic that they want to share without us. We must take an example from China. Shoigu does the right thing by placing bases in the Arctic and the Kuril Islands. Then someone before the comments went, complained that there was no one to arrange the law of the jungle. Only life puts everything in its place, respect, talk and negotiate with the strong and self-sufficient. And the weak, as in Sparta, is waiting for the gorge.
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 14 July 2016 18: 35
      +1
      Quote: Sasha_Sar
      We have an Arctic that they want to share without us.

      Not this way. There is the Arctic, under the section of which we affirm that our largest piece. And shy of this is not necessary. Given the history, geography and current state of affairs, the largest piece of the Arctic is ours.
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 14 July 2016 18: 31
    +2
    To our Armenian "brother". Dear, how long will Armenia last after the Russian base leaves, and to our brothers in Baku, shall we hint that Russia will only express regret in the next round of the Karabakh confrontation? Say it brotherly!
    1. Dulat
      Dulat 15 July 2016 01: 28
      -2
      Well, Russia will leave, America will come, a bad option.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 14 July 2016 19: 40
    +2
    Quote: razmik72
    Quote: domokl
    Quote: razmik72
    In the last 70 years, did the United States squeeze islands and annex them to its country?

    No .. They just destroyed the countries .. Turned them into burial grounds ... That's all. By the way, why did you limit the validity period to 70 years?

    If you do not limit the actions of the United States to 70 years, then you may not like this example. The Russian Empire was not created only with a "kind word" laughing .I feel that today my unrestrained language will bring me to a ban. hi .

    The Russian empire began to be created, because the neighbors were not averse to robbing, taking people into slavery and burning, which they could not carry away. Including Ermak’s campaign in Siberia was the result of the fact that patience with Russia ended because of the constant raids of the Siberian Khan Kuchum. Campaigns in Central Asia can be said to have been proactive. The British Empire was eager to spread the banquet with the looting of India and China to other regions. Russia clearly did not need such neighbors on the continent. By the way, they still hold anger at Russia for not having time to Siberia and Asia.
  • Lord blacwood
    Lord blacwood 14 July 2016 21: 21
    -2
    China has a very wise leadership and very comfortable positions. Indeed, for all their tricks no one will do anything to them, because the world economy (including the USA) depends on China.
    1. visitork67
      visitork67 15 July 2016 02: 55
      0
      So they are naughty. Shot down. Almost two lards will shoot.
  • Dulat
    Dulat 15 July 2016 01: 29
    -1
    China is the future hegemon No. 1
  • Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 15 July 2016 10: 26
    0
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin

    As already said yesterday, the Chinese are handsome, who purposefully and consistently go to their goal, scoring on the rest of the world. Moreover, they have this goal, unlike us. No, we certainly know that we want something, but we don’t know what exactly .. And, accordingly, we don’t know how to achieve this. Hence the confusion, vacillation and complete uncertainty. But they would decide for example - we need military bases in Cuba, Venezuela, Vietnam. Defined goals, ways to achieve them - and forward. And so ...

    Poor Vietnam buys, from us, submarines WHOLESALE !!! wink Ah, we don’t know !!! wassat
  • gostomysl
    gostomysl 15 July 2016 13: 54
    0
    And so the Paracel Islands. IT, the apple of contention, or the cause of World III Sorry last.
  • 15Bars
    15Bars 15 July 2016 14: 05
    +1
    We must be friends with China.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 15 July 2016 17: 05
      0
      It is possible, but if:
      A friend in need will not quit, he will not ask too much-
      That's what a true, loyal friend means!

      wink
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 15 July 2016 17: 03
    0
    It’s hard to disagree with the authors that we will
    if we, that is Russia, will make decisions without regard to the foul Europe and its overseas master. By analogy with China, but in its own style.
    good
    1. domokl
      domokl 15 July 2016 17: 48
      0
      Duc ... Siberians know what they know ... Including the Chinese bully
  • cap54
    cap54 15 July 2016 19: 00
    0
    Even the ancient Chinese philosopher Confucius said: "Where the Chinese settled, this place will be ruled by his offspring in the 4th tribe." And now a look at the present: the resettlement of the Chinese around the world is the so-called "quiet expansion" !!! And nothing can be done about it ... They are everywhere!
    1. SergeBS
      SergeBS 15 July 2016 22: 24
      +3
      Quote: cap54
      Even the ancient Chinese philosopher Confucius said: "Where the Chinese settled, this place will be ruled by his offspring in the 4th tribe."

      Uh-huh. These "philosophers" said a LOT of things (if you BELIEVE the Chinese "philosophy"). And you can still trust Nostradamus, for example. ALSO A LOT of things he composed "under substances". smile
      Only a "small" discrepancy: for the WHOLE historical period (where not "birch bark" letters and "South Chinese hieroglyphs in Mongolia") it turned out "for some reason" like this: NEVER EVER that "peaceful settlers" Chinese, but also Chinese army (no matter what you call it) not only did not seize something, but quite the opposite - LOST their territories. smile
      By a "strange" coincidence, the "great Chinese commanders" won only in legends (legends). But never - in modern wars of the 17-20 centuries. smile
      "Great Chinese sages" compiled a table of logarithms BEFORE Napier. "By a strange coincidence" I REPEAT ALL the mistakes of the 1st edition of the table.
      Well, Napier corrected his mistakes, but the "wise men" did not. smile
      "Great Chinese chemists" invented gunpowder earlier than in Europe. And then, SUDDENLY, the recipe was forgotten, I had to steal it from Europe. smile
      Etc. "Chatting is not carrying bags" smile
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 15 July 2016 21: 48
    +1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    And you imagine, Russia left Armenia, stopped selling weapons at domestic prices.

    smile
    Well, what kind of freeloader can present THIS - he, the freeloader, will suddenly die. He's already used to freebies and wants MORE. At the same time, of course, if with "more" - a bummer, then hysterical cries begin - "yes we would live BETTER without you, but you oppress us, do not let us live." Classics - "once you feed and drink, so feed and drink MORE, and we, freeloaders, so be it, forget at whose expense we are alive." am
  • South
    South 15 July 2016 22: 17
    0
    It is high time for Russia, the same applies in such matters to the West and their precedents as China relates to them!
  • Olena
    Olena 16 July 2016 08: 15
    0
    -Russia should "not empathize" with China or not "not empathize" .., but make the most of the situation for the benefit of itself ... -And try right now to solve all economic, business and political issues with China ... -And seek Chinese concessions in everything ... -and in matters of prices for supplied Russian hydrocarbons, and in the construction of Russian civilian facilities, and in the provision of "promised" Chinese loans (which China is "in no hurry" to provide to Russia) and in many other Russian-Chinese "aspects" ...
    - After all, China itself has never been "shy" ... and in the most difficult time for Russia, using Russia's desperate situation, it tried to literally "twist Russia's arms" and impose conditions beneficial exclusively to China ...
  • Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 16 July 2016 15: 17
    0
    Quote: olena
    -Russia should "not empathize" with China or not "not empathize" .., but make the most of the situation for the benefit of itself ... -And try right now to solve all economic, business and political issues with China ... -And seek Chinese concessions in everything ... -and in matters of prices for supplied Russian hydrocarbons, and in the construction of Russian civilian facilities, and in the provision of "promised" Chinese loans (which China is "in no hurry" to provide to Russia) and in many other Russian-Chinese "aspects" ...
    - After all, China itself has never been "shy" ... and in the most difficult time for Russia, using Russia's desperate situation, it tried to literally "twist Russia's arms" and impose conditions beneficial exclusively to China ...

    I will repeat !!!
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin

    As already said yesterday, the Chinese are handsome, who purposefully and consistently go to their goal, scoring on the rest of the world. Moreover, they have this goal, unlike us. No, we certainly know that we want something, but we don’t know what exactly .. And, accordingly, we don’t know how to achieve this ...

    Poor Vietnam buys, from us, submarines WHOLESALE !!! wink
    Yoshkin cat, but we don’t know !!!? wassat

    Pressure on the weaker, or under favorable conditions - there is nothing new in this, remember your youth or the life of your children, the same kindergarten or nursery, who scratches someone! belay
    NATURE IS SUCH HUMAN !!! Simply, now, they fight with "anthills", globalization, yoshkin cat!
    Actually, nothing new, I did not say! winked
  • ver_
    ver_ 17 July 2016 03: 31
    0
    Quote: domokl
    Not sure. Yesterday, China rather harshly advised the US to "think hard" on this issue. And this sounded after the speech of John Kirby, in which he quite categorically stated that failure to comply with the decision would be "a violation of international law."
    Simply put, the PRC has sent the United States far and for long.

    ... "... oh I'm afraid, afraid, afraid .." (Malvina)
  • ver_
    ver_ 17 July 2016 03: 58
    0
    Quote: Zaurbek
    :-) you read about the Caucasian wars, about Ermolov. Not the Germans came up with the scorched earth tactics. And at that time it was not the territory of the Russian Empire. Read books at least in the great Russian language and everything is written there. And just like in the USA, some were soldered and changed their furs for beads, others were killed and driven to Turkey, Syria, Jordan from their lands (which were not yet the territory of Russia). Well, plague blankets are not handed out of course ..

    Those Chechens who left for Turkey during the time of Ermolov were there for the most part slaughtered by the Turks for their banditry and theft .. No state can tolerate such behavior on its territory ..
  • Mentat
    Mentat 17 July 2016 07: 12
    0
    Someone put a minus to me for reporting the formation of the Russian Empire? Come on. Well let's discuss. I’m ready to talk about Ermolov, including, and about the actions of the Crimean and Astrakhan Khanates, about the origin of Slavic slaves in the markets of the East, for example. Are you ready to talk about the mores of the Caucasus of those times without censorship? Let's talk about the custom of stealing brides. Ready for a frank intimate conversation?

    I’m not going to write about “chocks”, to denigrate someone or something, I am neutral towards all peoples and ethnic groups - it is obvious that there is no Paradise on Earth. But if you want to raise the “burning issues of history”, be prepared to face the truth.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 17 July 2016 07: 35
    0
    In the history of Russia and surrounding nations there has been rivalry, and strife, and alliances. For example, we fought with the ancestors of the Kazakhs, and fought shoulder to shoulder. Now it is not bashfully silent about that, as part of the Horde, Slavic troops fought in separate episodes, and our princes invited Horde detachments to participate in campaigns.
    We lived with such wisdom as our understanding allowed us. I believe that we can become better. With such faith, I propose building together a house in which we can live, prospering, remembering history precisely as history, and not as an excuse for senseless feuds, as something that needs to be remembered in order to avoid mistakes made.
  • pm.sv.3691
    pm.sv.3691 17 July 2016 11: 10
    0
    It is very correct "if we, that is, Russia, will make decisions without looking back at rotten Europe and its overseas owner. By analogy with China, but in our own style."
    Everything needs to be arranged based on the interests of your people