Military Review

"The Ukrainian people are bitten by a seductive vampire"

86
"The Ukrainian people are bitten by a seductive vampire"


“The task of the enemy was to tear away Ukraine and Ukrainians from us not only politically but also emotionally. The enemy decided to solve this task completely, ”the psychotherapist Leonid Tretyak told the newspaper VIEW, analyzing the phenomenon of the information war between Russia and Ukraine from the point of view of mass psychology.

On Thursday, insignificant but symbolic came from Kiev news: Moscow Avenue renamed in honor of Stepan Bandera. In addition, according to Verkhovna Rada deputy Yuriy Syrotyuk, in the near future General Vatutin Avenue (Commander of the 1 of the Ukrainian Front, who died in 1944) will be named after Roman Shukhevych (Commander-in-Chief of the UPA *, who served in the special division of Nachtigall and 201- m battalion security police).

The newspaper VZGLYAD repeatedly wrote that historical the concept of the Ukrainian state (including the reassessment of the role of Ukraine in the Great Patriotic War), which is fostered by the current authorities, has as its goal to alienate Ukraine from Russia in the political and cultural sense. However, it is impossible to achieve this by simply presenting an alternative concept - it is necessary to emphasize precisely those painful points that in themselves increase the antagonism between Russians and Ukrainians, in other words, to completely disagree between the two peoples. And we have to admit that the officers and soldiers of the "information war" that has been going on between Moscow and Kiev for the third year already have succeeded a lot in this.
About how the information war affects a simple man in the street, as well as about what mistakes in the framework of the historical and political dispute with neighbors made by Russia and its citizens, a psychotherapist, candidate of medical sciences Leonid Tretyak told the newspaper VIEW.

VIEW: Information warfare is a spontaneous phenomenon or a controlled process?

Leonid Tretiak: The process is certainly manageable. It could not be otherwise, because there are interested parties. But it is important to understand that the information war in the modern world is only part of a global confrontation.

VIEW: Is it about the confrontation between Russia and the West?

L. TA: The confrontation is much wider, the conflict between Russia and the West is a special case against the background of the overall picture. The transatlantic partnership is developing a global integration project whose goal is to unite all the resources of the planet for more rational use. More rational from the point of view of the authors of the project, of course. The multinational financial and industrial circles, large capital are interested in this. At the same time, an “image of the enemy” is being formed, which is represented by countries with a national-traditional structure and a national government. These countries and governments are becoming the symbol of "reactionary" policies that hinder the progress of all mankind. Accordingly, the task of the “forces of good” in the face of the Western powers is to fight these reactionaries. Information warfare is becoming one of the methods of such a struggle.

VIEW: From the point of view of psychology, how does it work?

Leonid Tretyak

L. TA: The primary task of an information attack is to create frustration in society. In this sense, Russia is a very convenient field for experiment. Power structures are too centralized in our country, and the tax system is depersonalized (that is, unlike, for example, American practice, the employer pays taxes for the majority of citizens - LOOK). Because of this, citizens do not feel involved in the process of governing the state. Such detachment creates a feeling of helplessness and apathy. On such a bed you can grow frustration, which, when it reaches a critical level, is easily converted into revolutionary moods.

VIEW: Can this process be stimulated?

L. T: Certainly. This is exactly what the information warfare moderators do. Social energy is involved through the involvement of emotionally-unstable individuals who easily respond to any polarization of ideas in society. These people did not receive a holistic view of themselves, often their upbringing was controversial, parents encouraged or punished them not for specific deeds, but depending on their mood. They tend to have a chronic feeling of insecurity and tension, difficult and problematic relationships with others, high conflict. Also characterized by a blurred view of themselves and emotional extremes. They are literally woven from contradictions. Under stress, such people turn on the mechanism of the so-called frontier splitting, the world is divided into opposite parts, and all those who do not share their point of view are recorded as enemies. The organizers of information wars consciously model the process of border splitting by imposing false dichotomies.

VIEW: How are these false dichotomies arranged?

L. TA: Moderators of the process throw simple oppositions into the public discussion, with exaggerated and cheap popular images of false dichotomies, saying that you will choose: crooked hedges from the Russian hut or modern technologies, civilized Europe or the Taiga Union? The culture of outwardly oriented envy, what was called in the Soviet terminology "servility before the West", is encouraged. Along with the idealization of the Western way of life, the depreciation and leveling of domestic achievements is hidden. A so-called colonial morality is being formed, the basic principle of which is “there is good where we are not”. Patriotism, which, by the way, is inherent in almost all successful countries in the economy (USA, Germany, Finland), is associated with limitations. After the devaluation of stable values, the society is polarized by a number of dichotomous elections (“are you red or white?”, “Vote or lose,” “who does not jump, that Moskal” and so on). As the degree of discussion is heightened, the reaction of society becomes more and more marginal, the emotions of primitive rage and envy are easily stimulated. The ideological adversary is dehumanizing, his clichéd and caricatured images are served, the idea of ​​him becomes black and white. The answers are becoming more emotional, impulsive and reflex. If we add to this the pressure of the masses (familiar to all of the examples of the activation of football fans), then the situation becomes explosive.

VIEW: Suppose a society is brought to the boiling point. What to do next, how to use it?

L. TA: Pairs of gasoline filled the building, it remains only to bring a match. The organizers of social experiments are guided by the rules of Sun Tzu, a strategist: “... if you surround the enemy army, leave one side open; if he is in a stalemate, do not push him, otherwise he will gather all the strength to answer, and so he will come out in the right direction for you. ” Heated social energy spills toward the simplest solution. It is used as a ram for breaking walls and a Trojan horse at the same time. Organizers of external influence are looking for points of vulnerability and contradictions in the system, skillfully playing on social contradictions. At the same time, they increase the emotional intensity of the discussions, creating caricatures of opponents and offering the simplest solutions.

VIEW: All this is very similar to the situation in Ukraine.

L. T.: Of course, such a scenario was developed there. First, vulnerability points were identified: corrupt and limited power, disorientation of the elite, lack of social self-regulation, and poverty. A lot of preparatory work was done to contrast the two basic models of development and discredit of traditional values. Critical thinking, scientific schools and traditions were gradually destroyed, and the general level of education of the population decreased. Ukraine was chosen as a Trojan horse aimed at organizing a conflict between Russia and the EU, thus depriving them of their competitive advantages by combining available raw materials and high technology. Ukraine was an ideal space for inducing social splitting: a contradictory history, an artificially cobbled-up state that carries an internal contradiction from the very beginning (the Lithuanian-Catholic heritage versus the Moscow-Orthodox), the deplorable practice of the last two decades with a depressed economy and a corrupt government, and a split in society , The “victim complex” among Ukrainians, the “imperial complex” among the Great Russians, unwillingness to hear each other. Accents are gradually shifting from “Ukraine is not Russia” to “Death to Rusny!”

VIEW: Do you believe that the ethnic component plays an important role here?

L. TA: The conflict in Ukraine is not originally an ethnic, but a socio-political one. However, from the point of view of psychology, the national question is a powerful trump card that should not be neglected. The task of the puppeteers in this case is the involvement of archaic, deep mechanisms of the psyche, directly connected with the national-clan identity. After all, an ethnically-tribal conflict between kindred peoples forms a rift and a non-growing wound in the generations, making the splitting process poorly reversible.

VIEW: With Ukraine is more or less clear. And how can you evaluate the reaction of Russian citizens?

L. TA: In a sense, we fell into a trap. The authorities of the country were forced to act reactively, on the go, without the ability for detailed analysis. Many actions were imposed from outside. Fortunately, it was possible to prevent the planned incitement of interethnic, interfaith conflict in Crimea with the involvement of the Muslim world in confronting the "bloody regime". But in such a scenario of imposed dichotomies, any action triggers a new trap.

VIEW: Is it a trap for the authorities or for the society?

L. TA: For Russia as a whole. Both the government and society acted strictly according to the scenario that was developed by the moderators of the information war. How did the Russian man in the street react to this whole situation? Just as they expected from him: a powerful splash of anti-Ukrainian sentiment.

VIEW: Do you think that this was unjustified?

L. TA: This is explicable. But, nevertheless, is harmful. The fact is that the cultural identity of Ukrainians has developed, and many of them love and value their original history. The essence of the Ukrainian idea was the rejection of the great-power claims (which was reflected in the name "Little Russians"). Ukraine was formed as a Cossack republic, a union of free people of the Russian land. And many Ukrainians initially did not sympathize with the organizers of the coup. But the unleashing of anti-Ukrainian propaganda pushed them away from Russia, which anti-Russian propaganda very skillfully contributed to.

In turn, the leavened patriots from the “couch armies”, who had no idea about the complexity of the situation in Ukraine, acted as a caricature of the Russian idea. Their contribution should be considered very malicious. Repeatedly repeated mantras about “Ukrainians who stole our gas”, “maydanniy ukropitek” and others achieved the opposite effect, throwing those who doubted into the camp of the ideological opponent. Most Ukrainians did not support and do not support the tricks of power directed by transatlantic curators, but they also do not want and will not support the trend of the consciousness of the Russian philistine, full of disdain for them.

VIEW: Suppose there is a person who is not indifferent to what is happening. He sympathizes with the Russians in Ukraine, and at the same time he experiences a fair indignation at the actions of the Ukrainian authorities. But at the same time, he does not want to become a zombie-hater, whose righteous anger is working in favor of the enemy. How should he act in the conditions of the information war?

L. TA: It is important to maintain critical thinking, the ability to see half tones and distinguish nuances. Information should be subjected to critical analysis, avoiding to respond to the emotional flow of information materials. Not to get involved in discussions with emotionally overheated participants - it is difficult for them to prove anything, since they have a desire to speak, but no desire to hear (their speech at first looks like an invitation to dialogue, and then becomes a monologue). You need to constantly recheck your position and justify, first of all, for yourself. In discussions, it is important to encourage the opponent to think in alternatives, to allow their formulation and discussion. Avoid extreme emotions and increase the level of discussion, preventing insults and gross depreciation. Instead of "holivar" - negotiations. You can learn from the police, who talk to suicides and terrorists. Calmness and a sense of confidence translate your point of view much better than impulsive aggression.

VIEW: So you can win the information war?

L. TS: First we need to state that we have already lost. In any case, at this tactical stage. The task of the enemy was to repel Ukraine and Ukrainians from us, not only politically but also emotionally. The enemy has solved this task completely.

VIEW: Is it possible to somehow fix the situation?

L. TA: You must admit your mistakes from the very beginning. For example, we didn’t recognize the obvious fact that the social protest on Maidan was fair. Then he was saddled by well-known interested parties with Russophobic slogans, and initially the impulse of the Ukrainians was quite reasonable. People are tired of corruption, of eternal uncertainty, of the authorities, who did not dare to make a civilization choice. We, instead of hearing these people, for some reason solidarized with the Ukrainian government that had rotted through and through. This allowed customers of the information war to make a worldwide scarecrow of corruption out of the Eurasian idea. We should have distanced ourselves from this, and we willingly harnessed for “our own.” Although the regime of Yanukovych is not at all “our own,” moreover, he set us up pretty much.
VIEW: This is a mistake of our authorities. And what should ordinary citizens of Russia, who have become the main target of the information war, do?

L. TA: First of all, give up the anti-Ukrainian rhetoric and try to establish a dialogue with the Ukrainians — not as with an enemy, but as with lost brothers. And it is important to clearly show the sources and mechanisms of external influence. Metaphorically speaking, the Ukrainian people are bitten by a seductive vampire, but few know about it. It is important to activate critical thinking. And it always leads to sobriety. It is said that “judge them according to their fruits,” especially since they are already ripe. The language of logic and numbers is slower, but more convincing. Undeniable facts get into the heart more easily than emotional evaluations. Find and show them.

LOOK: You can argue: this is defeatism, we are always lagging behind, this only makes it worse.

L. TA: Again, defeating "them", we are winning ourselves. After all, as the president of Russia said, "we are, in fact, one people." It is important to separate those who are intoxicated, and those who have a clear task, set out from outside and paid accordingly. After all, the main war is for the minds and hearts of people. And if we are not involved in the imposed contradictions, and strive to find what unites us, then this brings our common victory closer.
Author:
Originator:
http://www.vz.ru/society/2016/7/7/820304.html
86 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, daily additional materials that do not get on the site: https://t.me/topwar_ru

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 9 July 2016 12: 55
    +21
    It's a pity, "potheads"! My wife and I have a crowd of relatives in the country of "victorious" democracy, the most powerful army in Europe and parallel economic power, I will go and mend a sock, left, and then my wife swears ... Indignant! am and calls me president of Ukraine Degrades, probably ?! repeat
    1. cniza
      cniza 9 July 2016 12: 58
      +15
      Quote: ALABAY45
      It's a pity, "potheads"! My wife and I have a crowd of relatives in


      Apart from themselves, nobody will solve the problems of Ukraine.
      1. Venceremos
        Venceremos 9 July 2016 13: 17
        +8
        Quote: cniza
        Apart from themselves, nobody will solve the problems of Ukraine.




        02.07.2016
        The last thoughts of the colonel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Andria Bulba | Russian spring

        Three years will pass, and AFU colonel Andriy Bulba, standing against the wall awaiting execution, will remember that distant evening when his father took him with him to look at Euromaidan. And then the father said a simple, as life, and transparent, like heaven, truth that at that moment Andriy Bulba simply could not understand: “Nobody needs Ukraine”.

        Neither Russia.
        Nor Europe.
        Neither the United States.


        http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1467448461
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. Venceremos
            Venceremos 9 July 2016 14: 45
            +5
            Quote: Thrall
            I know who tore Poroshenko sock. Look who was behind him a minute before the embarrassment.

            Nadiyka !!! Ah prankster!

            Obviously, in eF eS Be, her brains were moved to the desired track. lol wink
        2. Thrall
          Thrall 9 July 2016 14: 44
          +9

          The Russian attack helicopter Ka-52 performed a number of maneuvers at a very low altitude, which enthralled holidaymakers on the beach in Syria.
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 9 July 2016 16: 25
            +3
            Quote: Thrall
            The Russian attack helicopter Ka-52 performed a number of maneuvers at a very low altitude, which enthralled holidaymakers on the beach in Syria.

            War - war - and bathing on schedule. It seems he was guarding them there on the beach.
        3. Tatyana
          Tatyana 9 July 2016 16: 02
          +2
          From the point of view of the “psychology of a HOMOGENEOUS crowd,” Leonid Tretyak speaks correctly as a psychotherapist, but as a politician SINGLE. It is only one-way (!) That is correct, since the so-called The “crowd” in Ukraine is heterogeneous in its ethnic composition. For Ukraine is multinational! And not all citizens of Ukraine experience the suppression of their national identity, the suppression of their national rights and the deterioration of their economic situation. The economic stratification of society in Ukraine is not so much hierarchical as national. Moreover, in this regard, the psychotherapist Tretiak does not say a word politically!
          For a deeper understanding of this issue, I recommend that you listen to Igor Berkut, who was politically targeted with the national composition and national stratification of the position in the structure of Ukrainian society. And he did it right and competently! In his study, the golden eagle for the first time raised such STRATEGICALLY structural national problems in Ukraine, which, incidentally, exist in the Russian Federation, and we cannot escape anyone from solving them, either in Ukraine or in Russia.

          See “Igor Berkut. Jews or Galicians? 28.04.2016 [Dawn. TV]. " Posted: 28 Apr 2016
          1. jovanni
            jovanni 9 July 2016 21: 13
            +2
            "L. T.: First of all, to abandon anti-Ukrainian rhetoric and try to establish a dialogue with the Ukrainians - not as an enemy, but as with lost brothers."

            This statement of the psychoanalyst is at least surprising! Does he really not know that many of the current problems were laid down at a time when we already treated Ukrainians as brothers. Like younger brothers. This forced them to invent legends about their own greatness. This is how the "svidomye" appeared ... And now this "psychoanalyst" suggests treating them not even as juniors, but as "lost" ones!
            He’s crazy, not a psychoanalyst. Or a provocateur ...
          2. valerei
            valerei 9 July 2016 22: 40
            +1
            As long as Ukraine, like Hitler’s Germany at one time, doesn’t wash itself with its blood, sobering will not come. And no one will help them with this. Lugansk and Donetsk are still flowers both for Ukraine and for Russia. At the end of any global crisis is almost always a war.
      2. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 9 July 2016 13: 27
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        Apart from themselves, nobody will solve the problems of Ukraine.
        - And they are already tired! And jump, and decide. And all the time, wherever they turn, there is a dead end! Because the "puppeteers" have calculated everything in advance and are calculating where the main support of the "puppeteers" is - the corrupt nationalists who hate Russia and shout the loudest.
        I believe that without radical assistance from Russia, Ukraine itself cannot get out of the pit. And Russia should specifically help ADDRESS to crush its main haters. Stop watching and bleat.
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 9 July 2016 13: 41
          +12
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          And Russia should specifically help ADDRESS to crush its main haters. Stop watching and bleat.
          Can you tell me the addresses? Because nowadays a rather significant part of the citizens of Ukraine will have to "pressurize" - fully formed and uncompromising haters of Russia in general and Russians in particular.
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          I believe that without radical assistance from Russia, Ukraine itself cannot get out of the pit.
          Help should be given to someone who is really ready to accept help and will be elementary grateful for it. With Ukraine, this method does not work - any of our help will not be enough, and you will not wait for gratitude ("The Horde is not Europe", yes). And this state of affairs did not develop in the last quarter of a century - the entire Soviet period of the RSFSR pulled fraternal Ukraine, even to the detriment of its own population. So Ukrainians are accustomed to such a freebie, stubbornly claiming that "the hatsap are being fed." However, left to their own devices, during the "independence" they themselves have successfully gobbled up the entire Soviet legacy.
          So, dear, it is better to "observe and bleat" than to step on the same rake again. Moreover, we will not be able to cope with the entire present-day Ukraine - the forces are far from the same. And we are again called upon to "understand, forgive and repent" before the "fraternal people." Well, and again pay for their next banquet. Aren't you tired of it yet?
          1. oldseaman1957
            oldseaman1957 9 July 2016 14: 02
            -1
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            However, left to themselves, during the "independence" they themselves have successfully gobbled up the entire Soviet legacy
            - Well, yes, ALL in a crowd with spoons stuck out at the trough and "GAVE". We ourselves almost got into such a whore, a handful of thieves wanted to buy almost the entire national economy. And if they succeeded, then they said about us later that "the Russians ate Russia."
            So do not smear the whole people of Ukraine with shit.
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 9 July 2016 14: 21
              +15
              Quote: oldseaman1957
              So it is not necessary to smear the entire Ukrainian people with shit.
              There was a consensus between the government and the people. The first stole and sold, but gave the second to live. Whatever you say, but the former Maid Ukraine was a social and paternalistic state. Even though the Ukrainians received less money in absolute terms than the Russians, they lived no worse, or even better. Just ask how many different benefits and social benefits Ukrainian citizens received. Well, for example, how much did the population pay for the same gas, you know? And how much, for example, did staple foods cost? So from the identity ..
              If they wanted to "get panda and Euroassociation" (and this was the desire of a really significant part of the people), they received an oligarchic redistribution, external foreign control and a multiple drop in living standards. Such is "Europe" ...
              Quote: oldseaman1957
              And if they succeeded, then they said about us later that "the Russians ate Russia."
              And I will tell you one thing - we not only "gobbled up", but also pissed away Russia. But this is exclusively our fault and misfortune, no one is going to sympathize with it and help us. But to hang additional costs and encumbrances on the neck of the already unimportant living Russian people, there are plenty of hunters. Along the way, he blamed us for all the troubles of our neighbors. Do we have to pay and repent, repent and pay all our lives? Once again I will ask: Are you tired of it?
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 9 July 2016 21: 34
                0
                Everything is right! Everything converges baby is not ours!
          2. Venceremos
            Venceremos 9 July 2016 14: 36
            +4
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            throughout the Soviet period, the RSFSR pulled fraternal Ukraine, even to the detriment of its own population.


            Let's concretize if so.

            Tell me directly, a citizen of the DPR, during the Soviet Union of the Donetsk region of the Ukrainian SSR, that someone kept us or "pulled" us, and we did not give what was required of us into the "common pot", but only shamelessly sucked in and sipped.

            Then develop your thought further. Write that even now the DNR-LNR, in your opinion, are obviously hicks and idlers, alien to Russia and it is not worth spending efforts to "pull" us ...

            I want to spit on the monitor, but it's a pity, I'm sitting at someone else's computer. And spitting, alas, will not reach the goal.
            1. Gurinov Nikolay
              Gurinov Nikolay 9 July 2016 15: 02
              +6
              Don’t freak out, calm down! Sit on the Internet less and life will get better. Everything has its time. About Donbass no one said that this is a subsidized region. Well, except for the Ukrainian authorities. All this muck will end! Life will get better! Buy yourself a pig!
              1. Venceremos
                Venceremos 9 July 2016 15: 16
                +3
                Quote: Nikolay Gurinov
                Don’t freak out, calm down! Sit on the Internet less and life will get better. Everything has its time. About Donbass no one said that this is a subsidized region. Well, except for the Ukrainian authorities. All this muck will end! Life will get better! Buy yourself a pig!

                So hello...
                To reproach me for "sitting up on the Internet" when I don't have my own at all, and I'll only connect to the network occasionally, it's somehow ...

                Yes, and now it "froze" only due to the fact that from Tuesday, as it were, "hello youth in boots", and I would very much like to write in the mail and receive an answer from friends and acquaintances, and not to miss anything.
                And life itself will not work out, without effort. And at one time, this is not a criterion.

                In general, does the comment remind you Ami du peuple exactly the "mirror image" of the "RUKH", read Bandera leaflets of similar content, which just rocked the situation in the USSR?

                Here, under the cover of such speeches: "And you are like that, and you are different," just pulled the great country away along the national back streets ...
                And in particular, remember the Soviet distribution system when beach umbrellas were delivered to the Chukchi, and outboard motors were in the Kara-Kum desert.
                This I certainly exaggerate, but in general it was. Somewhere thickly, and somewhere EMPTY.
                1. Ami du peuple
                  Ami du peuple 9 July 2016 15: 55
                  +3
                  Quote: Venceremos
                  In general, does Ami du peuple's commentary remind you of exactly the "mirror image" of "RUKH", read Bandera leaflets of similar content, which just rocked the situation in the USSR?
                  Wow .. Wouldn't I remind you, dear, the percentage of those who voted in the Donetsk region in the 1991 referendum for the independence of Ukraine? Let me remind you that it's good for eighty percent (throughout Ukraine, as far as I remember, the average percentage was 90). Isn't it "just the great country that was taken away along the national back streets ..."? I remember very well the then conversations of my Donetsk, Dnipropetrovsk and other Ukrainian relatives, how they now "oh, heal."
                  Quote: Venceremos
                  And in particular, remember the Soviet distribution system .. Somewhere thickly, and somewhere EMPTY.
                  Residents of the Ukrainian SSR did not have to complain about the Soviet distribution system. Even in comparison with neighboring regions of the RSFSR, Ukrainians were supplied incomparably better, and with, for example, the Volga Region or the Non-Chernozem Region, it’s not worth comparing ..
                  1. Venceremos
                    Venceremos 9 July 2016 16: 09
                    +3
                    Quote: Ami du peuple
                    Residents of the Ukrainian SSR did not have to complain about the Soviet distribution system. Even in comparison with neighboring regions of the RSFSR, Ukrainians were supplied incomparably better, and with, for example, the Volga Region or the Non-Chernozem Region, it’s not worth comparing ..


                    And I will compare ... Not with the Volga region, so with the Leningrad region ...

                    OCHCHI I was shocked when I learned that in Leningrad, in 1989-90, in order to buy a refrigerator, I had to wait in line for a couple of years. Whereas in our stores they were MOUNTAINED, EVERYTHING (except for "Minsk" and "ZIL", it was "exclusive", "elite product" yes ).

                    They were imported as much as was not necessary.


                    After all, he wrote: In one place GUSTO, in another EMPTY.

                    And so with a lot. With shoes, clothes, household appliances, food.

                    The referendum of the 91st ... No, I don’t remember ... At that time I was repaying a debt to the Motherland, outside the USSR.
                    But I know how Yeltsin was "pulled by the ears" for the presidency, and how HIS notorious percentages were "drawn" ...

                    I can well assume that in the Donetsk region the renegade communists "did the right thing", firmly assimilating that it is not important how they vote, but what they think is important.
            2. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 9 July 2016 15: 08
              +3
              Quote: Venceremos
              Tell me directly, a citizen of the DPR, during the USSR Donetsk region of the Ukrainian SSR
              I was born 45 years ago in the Donetsk region, and all my ancestors are from there - Yuzovka and Makeyevka .. Therefore, no, I will not say. I meant the Ukrainian SSR in general, and not only the industrial southeast, which only in independent Ukraine suddenly for some reason became "depressed and subsidized" So, you want a figure? I have them.
              Thus, the average resident of the RSFSR for the year produced and transferred to the Union budget 6 thousand dollars more than he consumed, Belarus - 3,5 thousand. All other fraternal republics were subsidized. including the Ukrainian SSR.
              Quote: Venceremos
              Write that even now the DNR-LNR, in your opinion, are obviously hicks and idlers, alien to Russia and it is not worth spending efforts to "pull" us.
              I will not write. For the above reason, at least smile You made your choice, because at the very least, Russia is pulling the republic. Or not?
              Quote: Venceremos
              I want to spit on the monitor, but it's a pity, I'm sitting at someone else's computer. And spitting, alas, will not reach the goal.
              Spit if it calms you.
              1. Venceremos
                Venceremos 9 July 2016 15: 42
                +3
                Quote: Ami du peuple
                Thus, the average resident of the RSFSR for the year produced and transferred to the Union budget 6 thousand dollars more than he consumed, Belarus - 3,5 thousand. All other fraternal republics were subsidized. including the Ukrainian SSR.


                Well, you are trying to cause me a complex of guilt, because from the moment I was born, until 1989 (a call for a real urgent call), I ate someone and dragged from the general table the fattest pieces that I did not deserve.
                And only because I was not lucky was born in the RSFSR.

                And for some reason I was previously convinced that it was enough to be a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics by birth, an internationalist by conviction, so that they would not reproach me with a piece ...

                It turns out this is not enough?
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 9 July 2016 19: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Venceremos

                  And for some reason I was previously convinced that it was enough to be a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics by birth, an internationalist by conviction, so that they would not reproach me with a piece ...

                  It turns out this is not enough?
              2. Venceremos
                Venceremos 9 July 2016 15: 55
                +6
                Quote: Ami du peuple
                You made your choice, because at the very least, Russia is pulling the republic. Or not?


                Pulls. And it pulls great.

                But such a "toffee" with uncertainty cannot last forever. You need to understand that we will be conditionally speaking "dependents" until at least we take control of all the occupied territories of the former region.

                I will not say that prosperity will come from then on, but the fact that the economy, or rather what remains of it, can work more efficiently. Yes, and Ukraine will be more accommodating.
                1. Ami du peuple
                  Ami du peuple 9 July 2016 16: 13
                  +1
                  Quote: Venceremos
                  We will be conditionally speaking "dependents" until at least we take control of all the occupied territories of the former region.
                  Actually, I am generally for tearing the entire geological Donetsk coal basin from Banderstadt - to Dnepropetrovsk inclusive. Well, plus Kharkov, which is not a Ukrainian city at all. Only, I'm afraid this is no longer possible. sad
                  Quote: Venceremos
                  Well, you are trying to cause me a guilty complex for ... eating someone and dragging from the general table the fattest pieces that you did not deserve. And only because I was not lucky was born in the RSFSR.
                  Excuse me, this is not a reproach in any way. Statement of fact - Russia was an all-Union donor. I, too, was "unlucky" to be born in the RSFSR, so to some extent (up to the elementary grades of school) I was also a freeloader laughing
                  Quote: Venceremos
                  .. it was enough to be a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics by birth, an internationalist by conviction, so that they would not reproach me with a piece ...
                  All were citizens of the USSR and brought up all in the spirit of internationalism. As it turned out, this is not enough .. sad Once again: God save. I do not reproach you with a piece.
            3. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 9 July 2016 21: 35
              0
              Do not pay attention ! Fools in Russia does not decrease!
          3. gladcu2
            gladcu2 9 July 2016 17: 42
            +1
            Ami de peuple

            You count on the site "I remember everything" about the communists of the 30s from western Ukraine. There were quite a few of them, 30 people per village out of 100 huts. Man, the narrator does not even hide. He understands that it is dangerous to tell everything, but he cannot break agreement with himself. Speaks as it is.

            People keep common sense.

            Morality, she is such a common, one can not survive.
        2. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 9 July 2016 23: 06
          +1
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          I believe that without radical assistance from Russia, Ukraine itself cannot get out of the pit. And Russia should specifically help ADDRESS to crush its main haters. Stop watching and bleat.


          Someone like that, but I don’t like to run a rake. Ukrainians-freeloaders.
          Just yesterday, one said to me here - in Ukraine it is no worse than in Russia. Well, yes, except that he is in Moscow, and I am not in Kiev. Psychological diseases are sometimes treated with hunger, and sometimes with electric shock. With respect to the remaining sane Ukrainians: hi
      3. vovanpain
        vovanpain 9 July 2016 19: 23
        +10
        First of all, to abandon anti-Ukrainian rhetoric and try to establish dialogue with the Ukrainians - not as with the enemy, but as with lost brothers.

        Well, yes, well, yes. Here is such a conversation with the "lost brother" request : - In the army, how did you end up?
        - I'm a volunteer!
        - What for?
        - To fight with Russia!
        - Russia attacked you?
        - Yes! They took the Crimea from us!
        - But didn’t the inhabitants of Crimea themselves want to live as part of Ukraine?
        - No, Russia has joined them by force !!!
        - How do you know?
        - Everyone is talking!
        - Who?
        - Yes all!
        - Why did I go to the Donbass to fight?
        “Am I talking to Russia?”
        - And is there any Russian troops in the Donbass?
        - Yes!!!
        - Have you seen it yourself?
        - No, but everyone says that there is!
        - Who specifically speaks?
        - Yes, everyone is talking!
        - Well, how did you fight?
        - They betrayed us!
        - Who?
        - And Kiev and the command!
        - So the perpetrators are still in Kiev?
        - No. In Moscow!
        - Почему?
        - I’m saying that Russia attacked us !!!!!!! (hysteria)
        - Well, have you seen the Russian troops in Ukraine?
        “No, but they’re definitely somewhere!”
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. lelikas
      lelikas 9 July 2016 13: 01
      +8
      Quote: ALABAY45
      It's a shame, "potheads"

      They are not sorry, sorry for everyone else with whom they push.
      As for the information war, it was lost long before the latest events.
      In the "western provinces" it was lost even before the collapse of the union, in the rest - later.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 9 July 2016 13: 04
        +5
        "The Ukrainian people are bitten by a seductive vampire"

        With a bastard imbecile he is bitten ... fool
    4. Venceremos
      Venceremos 9 July 2016 13: 10
      +7
      Quote: ALABAY45
      I’ll go, I’ll darn my sock, the left one, and then my wife swears ... He is indignant! and calls me president of Ukraine Degrades, probably ?!


      How can you !!! Exceptionally praises as an individual wassat ...
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 9 July 2016 13: 27
        +4
        Women's flattery is suggestive! I, too, curly, well-fed and, very fond of "khokhlushek", my wife, however, does not know yet .... I took off my socks .. I'm stumbling, suddenly, Europe ... recourse
    5. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 9 July 2016 13: 21
      +7
      Quote: ALABAY45
      I’ll go, I’ll darn my sock, the left one, and then my wife swears ... He is indignant! and calls me president of Ukraine Degrades, probably ?!
      Hold on, brother! We are with you! laughing
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 9 July 2016 13: 36
        +5
        Oh, what Olandushka said ...
        "NATO has no authority to say what Europe’s relations with Russia should be. For France, Russia is not an enemy, not a threat. Russia is a partner who, however, can sometimes - and we saw it in Ukraine - use force, which we condemned when it (Russia - Ed.) annexed the Crimea, ”said French President Francois Hollande upon arrival at the NATO summit in Warsaw.

        Grandma said in two ... to the hell of such partners, especially, as Oland ... yes

        Here is the rzhak ... Luxembourg Prime Minister Xavier Bettel said -
        "The summit taking place here is not directed against anyone. Some journalists have the impression that this is a summit against Russia. This is just a summit of NATO members to show that we are united, solidarity and work together. This is not a summit against someone, the goal is not in this "

        And the four battalions in the Baltic you for the protection of someone stir?
    6. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 9 July 2016 18: 27
      0
      Quote: ALABAY45
      It's a pity, "potheads"!

      It’s not a pity anymore and they have fooled my relatives. Who remembers there was a wave on VO. Help went through the Donbass, and now what? It goes sideways outskirts! Everyone agrees on us, but there will be no war. They just stupidly took the Ukrainians with us. You show me in Surgut at least one maydanuty! You shouldn’t swear, just score or forget! This is their outskirts, and if my aunt (Odessa) considers me an occupant, well, then my aunt is stupid. What an occupier I am in the ass, what nonsense, she washed my ass in the 70s, I served there immediately, what a nonsense!hi
    7. Persistent
      Persistent 9 July 2016 22: 47
      +1
      While stupid Muscovites launched another rocket to the ISS, advanced Europeans in Kiev managed to rename Moscow sausage into Bandera. laughing

      Ukrainians finally got their minds - let Bandera sausage! laughing
  2. Pitot
    Pitot 9 July 2016 13: 02
    +3
    Yes, they were not bitten, but bitten along the way. Purely zombies ..... no wonder the memeriosos train ....
    1. captain
      captain 9 July 2016 13: 08
      +7
      Lenin criticized Stal and Dzerzhinsky when they opposed the creation of national autonomies. Read the work "On the question of autonomy". The leader of the world proletariat has created problems for future generations, now we are clearing it up.
      1. tatra
        tatra 9 July 2016 13: 24
        -1
        Well, yes, the enemies of the Communists commit crimes, and the Communists are to blame.
        Well settled down.
      2. Venceremos
        Venceremos 9 July 2016 13: 25
        +11
        Quote: captain
        Lenin criticized Stal and Dzerzhinsky when they opposed the creation of national autonomies. Read the work "On the question of autonomy". The leader of the world proletariat has created problems for future generations, now we are clearing it up.


        In 1991, with enough effort, it was possible to rectify the situation. If...

        If at that historical moment there were forces capable of breaking the processes of disintegration and developing new "rules of the game". But it didn't "grow together".
        Instead of passionate leaders, the story, grimacing, slipped us the traitors Gorbachev, Yeltsin, with the Bialowieza gop-company, and the weak-willed GKChP ...
    2. Karasik
      Karasik 9 July 2016 14: 13
      +6
      Now the rift in society runs even through families! Blood relatives stop communicating with each other for political reasons. No reasonable argument works. Everyone can see that life is getting worse day by day, prices are rising, why not move the convolutions and think - who is to blame? No, they talk like fanatics: "Russian aggression, Putin does not allow euro-pancake-integration, etc." Nobody wants to turn on the brains, and it is useless to convince. Putin is to blame for everything, and at least a stake on his head amuse!
      The cat left the kittens, guess who is to blame?
      1. Venceremos
        Venceremos 9 July 2016 14: 28
        +5
        Quote: Karasik
        The cat left the kittens, guess who is to blame?


        Bad heredity and the influence of the environment, which has become the norm, that which is unnatural and in a healthy society is unacceptable and reprehensible.

        And on the site there are "copies from the other side", which seem to be not infected with the spores of nationalist rot, but at the same time in their pans instead of a head, some incomprehensible cockroaches rustle.
  3. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 9 July 2016 13: 03
    +16
    It was not the West that won, here we initially chose the strategy of appeasing the local and central Tsars with money. For just feeding for promises is one thing, but feeding for the result is another. The West fed them for the result of money in exchange for anti-Russian hysteria and a coup. And we just stupidly poured hundreds of billions into this bottomless hole in exchange for empty and false promises, those who did not need the result, they needed only money from us
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 9 July 2016 18: 01
      +1
      "The worse the better" - let them feel the subsidies from Moscow (9 billion a year). The West seems to have turned off its help, so there is no longer any need to hope for help from outside - and winter is not far off (the past was mild, this one can be severe - this is against the background of the fact that even now, in the summer, rolling power outages may begin). How long will the Kiev authorities hold out, and in fact they may lose all transit (gas, railway, road transport). hi
  4. ava09
    ava09 9 July 2016 13: 03
    +4
    (c) “The enemy’s task was to tear away Ukraine and Ukrainians from us, not only politically, but also emotionally. The enemy completely solved this problem, ”the psychotherapist Leonid Tretyak told the newspaper VZGLYAD.
    Spreading the myth about "Ukraine and Ukrainians", which has existed for about a hundred years in total, "psychotherapists" like Tretyak are waging a psychological war against all Russians, including the Outskirts. The result is obvious - the Civil War in Russia.
    1. Air defense SSH
      Air defense SSH 9 July 2016 16: 14
      +5
      I would put more advantages, but the rules of the site do not allow ...
      Blaming Russia for allegedly wishing her well is liberalism from the evil one ... With a clever look to rant about what we all know and believe in ourselves, but as if just thought of it ourselves, and at the same time it shamelessly lies pretending to be casual truth - Putin never met with Yanyk after the Maidan and simply said that we could not allow a bloody murder and all that was needed, no support for Yanukovych as a cheated president ... And the statement that an unconstitutional seizure of power took place in Ukraine is true, but not support of the former government ... Taking Crimea home and humanitarian aid to Donbass is not solidarity with Yanukovych, but protecting people from the bloody massacre and helping them in difficult times ...
  5. The comment was deleted.
  6. Abbra
    Abbra 9 July 2016 13: 06
    +16
    An article, to put it mildly, smacks of rottenness, if you examine it carefully ...

    I don't even want to debate with this liberal "smart guy". For example, I do not notice anti-Ukrainian sentiments in general ... There is contempt and hatred for those who jumped on the Maidan, insulted us, calling us "quilted jackets" and shouting "Moskalyak on gilyaka", and later unleashed the fratricidal ATO. But this has nothing to do with "anti-Ukrainian sentiments." If I, for example, express my sharply negative opinion in relation to Russian fascist thugs, it turns out I am a Russophobe?

    Everything written in the material is a poorly welded mixture of delirium and frankly provocative conclusions. The State Department would also pay for such material.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 9 July 2016 13: 16
      +6
      There is also an understanding of the hostility of this territorial entity. And the understanding that they need to be driven under the bench, regardless of "brotherly", not "brotherly" ... Drive them in and that's it, for their own safety.
      1. Venceremos
        Venceremos 9 July 2016 17: 34
        +5
        Quote: Observer 33
        There is also an understanding of the hostility of this territorial entity. And the understanding that they need to be driven under the bench, regardless of "brotherly", not "brotherly" ... Drive them in and that's it, for their own safety.


        You drive it, drive it, but with such an expectation that later "from under the bench" American "Tomahawks" would not suddenly come out ...
        A comprehensive solution is needed that will no longer allow Ukraine, or whatever remains of it, to be a source of instability near the border of the Russian Federation.
    2. Venceremos
      Venceremos 9 July 2016 13: 43
      +9
      Quote: Abbra
      Everything written in the material is a poorly welded mixture of delirium and frankly provocative conclusions. The State Department would also pay for such material.


      And you "filter" yes

      In the existing abundance of materials on this topic, and in other matters and on other "nagging topics" there is simply no "ready-to-use product".

      All you need. That's why we and Homo sapiens and not a galloping herd ...
  7. Machete
    Machete 9 July 2016 13: 09
    +2
    Until the Ukrainians themselves put things in order, nothing will change.
    And they are not in a hurry ...
  8. My address
    My address 9 July 2016 13: 14
    +7
    Well, from me here's a comment - an anecdote on the subject of dill:

    - Yakov Solomonovich, and mine, I think, Chernobyl sho turned out to be not so terrible for Ukrainians. And sho vie think about it?
    - Izzy, boy, but look at what happened to the Ukrainians. Look at the Ukrainian parliament, at the Ukrainian president. This is Chernobyl auknul so hurt!
    laughing
  9. sever.56
    sever.56 9 July 2016 13: 18
    +11
    https://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/984/qspx108.png

    When the people, who are not completely befuddled, will understand that the current authorities, under the guise of "independence", are pursuing a policy of genocide of the Ukrainian people, and throw them off to hell, maybe then there will be a reason to talk about something with the new authorities. But they (the Ukrainians) need to understand one thing - there won't be any more freebies. No gratuitous energy sources, zero duties and other cookies. Only equal cooperation without any preferences and bonuses. Otherwise, with our kindness, which is expressed in the loss of tens of billions of dollars, we ourselves have nurtured Russophobia in Ukraine.
    Calling now for forgiveness, understanding and patience with regard to Ukraine is a conversation in favor of the poor.
    Only pure calculation and pragmatics. I repeat once again - THE ERA OF A FREEBEL FOR UKRAINE SHOULD END FOREVER !!!
    1. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 9 July 2016 14: 04
      +3
      You shouldn't think so. Even now, when in Ukraine there is only abuse and spitting on us, our authorities almost say “what you please”. Recently Ukrainians have asked for electricity. So easily. our country should be patriotic, not comprador, and then things will go.
  10. Khariton
    Khariton 9 July 2016 13: 22
    +5
    Tired of this usraina already ..... Ukrainians scatter! Well, they are terribly harmful ..))) (then they will gather together with the Jews again and again the Maidan ..))))) You need to shoot and specifically ..! Insolents and thieves ... freeloaders damn it!
  11. KBR109
    KBR109 9 July 2016 13: 23
    +4
    Basically, I agree with the article. Neither Napoleon, nor Hitler, nor the Americans under the USSR were able to bite off a piece of the country, destroy its economy and turn the rest of the country into an enemy. Russian "elites" and special services enthusiastically shared the inner pie and were not distracted. In Ukraine, such specialists were "entertained" by ambassadors such as Chernomyrdin, whom even in Russia it was impossible to listen to without laughing, and the "privatizer" Zurabov, who was pretty much personally enriched there. Russia lost there, it's a pity. Ukraine was thrown at us like a zombie suicide bomber, and our economy, has it become stronger from a mutual trade war? Putin is right - we are one people (Westerners - Poles and Austro-Hungarians do not count). Families in the civil war, when relatives turned weapons against each other, became stronger in your opinion?
  12. Altona
    Altona 9 July 2016 13: 25
    -1
    I still believe in the best and am not inclined to consider the people of Ukraine and Russia as biomass. And not only the people of Ukraine, but also Germany, France and the USA. People have genetic memory, which manifests itself at an early age. In addition, young people are keenly aware of the falsehood, although they are also ready to go forward for revolutionary ideas. In any case, normal people understand that the West is lying in its promises and will throw after it reaches its political goal.
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 9 July 2016 14: 43
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      young people have a keen sense of falsehood, though they are also ready to go forward for revolutionary ideas

      No, dear Eugene, they don’t feel false, that’s the trouble. Just these children are the very blank sheet of paper on which you can draw the future of your country. Draw the Hitler Youth - the fascist will grow, draw the pioneer - the communist will grow, draw the city - ukrobender will grow fellow
      1. Altona
        Altona 9 July 2016 18: 26
        +1
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        Just these children are the very blank sheet of paper on which you can draw the future of your country. Draw the Hitler Youth - the fascist will grow, draw the pioneer - the communist will grow, draw the city - ukrobender will grow

        ---------------------
        I would agree if I had not corresponded with one young Kiev woman for 20 years, who is studying to become a lawyer. She wrote to me. that hates classes in philosophy and history. Lectures on these subjects are similar to nonsense, but in general they are nonsense. They force me to write about the negative role of Russia, to stick out Ukrainians. In general, sectarianism in its purest form. She even told the lecturer at the lecture that this was unscientific nonsense. Therefore, I write that there are people who are dissenting and quite young.
    2. The comment was deleted.
  13. tatra
    tatra 9 July 2016 13: 26
    +6
    Pitting Russian and Ukrainian peoples was the goal, first of Hitler, then of the Americans, then of the enemies of the Communists, starting with those who, in droves for the gain, climbed into the CPSU, such as Gorbachev, Kravchuk, Yushchenko.
    And to Ukraine and the Ukrainian people all of them always did not care.
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 July 2016 13: 27
    +3
    A petty little article. In a pseudo-scientific language, they are trying to "sniff" us that they themselves, they say, are to blame.
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 9 July 2016 14: 06
      +4
      You shouldn't be like that. The article, in my opinion, is very competent. I have long awaited such an assessment of Ukrainian psychosis from the point of view of a psychiatrist. His conclusions are quite understandable - a violent psycho can be calmed "only by affection", not succumbing to his provocations, without raising his voice ... but this is ONE psycho !!! And we are dealing with MILLIONS! And how to talk to them? Personally, I tried somehow (while still at the censor) to apply this tactic (fortunately, psychiatry was taught to me at the institute) .. nothing comes of it. They are really stubborn .. in the end you break yourself into a mat and insults. Maybe a professional psychologist could have done it, but I'm not a psychologist. And in the end, we need millions of psychologists to calm these maddened people?
    2. The comment was deleted.
  15. Berkut24
    Berkut24 9 July 2016 13: 31
    +3
    They say that there is no beast worse than a cat. Yes, a cat from under the sofa does not come out looking at the Ukrainian squirrel. The generation thrown into the trash.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 9 July 2016 13: 55
      +3
      Quote: Berkut24
      They say that there is no beast worse than a cat. Yes, a cat from under the sofa does not come out looking at the Ukrainian squirrel. The generation thrown into the trash.

      I would not advise you to meet a cat named Behemoth ...
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 9 July 2016 13: 59
        +4
        And finally, cats are sacred and untouchable?
  16. Andrea
    Andrea 9 July 2016 13: 36
    +4
    It’s easy to make an enemy out of Khokhl, it’s enough to say that they owe him, but that they themselves are to blame for all his troubles.
    It was then that the dog rummaged ... not having received the desired from the EU and the USA, they will become enemies to them.
  17. sabakina
    sabakina 9 July 2016 13: 47
    +4
    "The Ukrainian people are bitten by a seductive vampire"

    They told them garlic is needed, and they are all dill ....
    1. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 9 July 2016 13: 56
      +4
      Garlic, better mashed! Count, not birch, but aspen .. And, in general, the clip is life-affirming, I would have thrust it into the USE program! Cooley stays ... hi
      1. Venceremos
        Venceremos 9 July 2016 15: 02
        +5
        Quote: ALABAY45
        Garlic, better mashed!


        Correctly ! So that a Europeanized Ukrainian would not have to search on the shelf for his teeth, removed as unnecessary.
  18. atamankko
    atamankko 9 July 2016 14: 03
    +2
    It's time to finish with a freebie for Ukrainians,
    not horse feed.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 9 July 2016 14: 13
      +1
      The article is not about that at all. However, with your dogma, I completely agree, in the current conditions. However, the freebie will continue simply because it’s beneficial for the individuals above. And in the winter, the future will be coal, electricity, and gas for them at symbolic prices. And the rationale is.
  19. black
    black 9 July 2016 14: 19
    +6
    Such psychosis can only be treated with therapeutic fasting and labor therapy. In another way, a nation of ideological parasites cannot be cured.
  20. qwert111
    qwert111 9 July 2016 14: 23
    +7
    "It is important to separate those who have been drugged and those who have a clear task set from the outside and paid accordingly."

    I want to understand and I can not, so they were drugged or do they want to be drugged? I was driving across St. Petersburg this morning, cars with Ukrainian plates are driving and no one rushes at them, although everyone can see, no one pulls out of the car and does not hit the face. And if you drive there with Russian plates, at best they will make you disabled and at worst they will kill you. What can I say if people who grew up in the USSR shout with rapture: "Moskalyaku on gilyaka." The Germans were also bitten at one time and nothing helped until they got it hard on the ears, and here, it is not for nothing that they say that they knock out a wedge with a wedge!
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 9 July 2016 14: 30
      +2
      Plus ... also noticed in St. Petersburg in the summer an increase in the number of cars with timekeepers. He noted one more detail - they have ALL flags of Russia and New Russia stuck on the dashboard! Geniuses migrant workers laughing They think that here at the sight of ukroflag they kill us, as they have at the sight of the St. George ribbon ... well, what to take from the savages lol
    2. The comment was deleted.
  21. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 9 July 2016 14: 25
    +4
    Some people think that the West will leave Ukraine someday and then it will be possible to restore relations with Ukraine. Yes, the USA will not leave it, will toss it up for food, or even with promises, as it is now. Jewish oligarchs there have grown into the body of Ukrainians and also throw people to feed and after another generation there will be an abyss between us, which the mericans are counting on. And hopes that the people will someday rise, too, do not need to count. This is not the people that were capable of rebellion. They already left that they were ready for it. In addition, Bandera skillfully knocked out the emerging leaders of the rebellion under the leadership of the United States, to which the stinking geyropa simply closes his eyes, they do not care, as these leaders oppose rapprochement with libertines from Brussels. Therefore, in the future, no progress is expected to restore relations with Ukraine.
  22. fa2998
    fa2998 9 July 2016 14: 34
    +5
    Quote: ALABAY45
    It's a pity, "potheads"!

    An article about Ukraine, but a lot can be seen in Russia, and the corrupt government, and the lack of public self-regulation and the poverty of the population. And if the "friends" from across the ocean decide to take advantage of the situation. And even during the election period. Our authorities are still warming up the masses, again increased tariffs. Or complete confidence in the ability of the police, the National Guard and other power structures? Maybe, on the contrary, try to lower the heat, put thieves, put things in order in housing and communal services, pay normal pensions. Say "no money" as a state Medvedev, yes, only in a corruption machine hundreds of billions of dollars are spinning. Russia needs investments and no one gives? So take yours, we are investing in the US economy, we have billions of dollars there. This stash was specially made in case the country needs money. Or will we take out loans at a huge interest? Any economist will go crazy with the actions of our government - put your funds at a modest interest and immediately take out a loan at a larger one!
    And we have to do something before September - I don’t want to see the people's performances and our vigorous national guardsmen with truncheons and "Lilac"! yes hi
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 9 July 2016 14: 40
      -3
      Quote: fa2998
      Article about Ukraine, but much can be seen in Russia

      - exactly
      - and Lake Baikal looks like a cucumber
      - the same way the Russian Federation is similar to Ukraine yes

      And then - the same "old song about the main thing":

      Quote: fa2998
      corrupt government ... poverty of the population ... increased tariffs ... "no money" ... Medvedev ... investing in the US economy ... billions of dollars ... popular demonstrations ... national guards with clubs ...

      - fa2998, You "sing" almost as well as same as Tambov Wolf. Sadly and on the same note. You are not familiar, by the way? wink
      - fa2998Are you still not tired of yourself? negative
  23. yuriy55
    yuriy55 9 July 2016 14: 57
    0
    "The Ukrainian people are bitten by a seductive vampire"


    Yah!!! wassat Everything is much simpler here, as in an advertisement for an air freshener: put a bag on your head (blinkers on your eyes) and drive through a garbage can previously sprayed with overseas discharge wassat And these poor fellows walk in the dark and try to imagine something ... But in life prose, not everything that is yellow is gold belay
  24. Normal ok
    Normal ok 9 July 2016 16: 20
    +3
    many Ukrainians initially did not sympathize with the organizers of the coup. But the unfolding anti-Ukrainian propaganda pushed them away from Russia, which anti-Russian propaganda very skillfully contributed to. In turn, the fervent patriots-haters from the “armies of armies”, who had no idea about the complexity of the situation in Ukraine, acted as a caricature of the Russian idea. Their contribution should be recognized as very harmful. Repeatedly repeated mantras about "Ukrainians who stole our gas," "maydanut dill," and so on, achieved the exact opposite effect, discarding the ideological enemy doubting the camp. Most residents of Ukraine did not support and do not support the tricks of the power sent by overseas curators, but they also do not want and will not support a suicidal trend of consciousness of the Russian inhabitant full of contempt for them.

    From my own experience, I note that the above statement is 100% true. And if nothing is changed, the antagonism will only grow. The article is generally about this, not about "who fed whom during the USSR."
  25. Severok
    Severok 9 July 2016 16: 29
    0
    In terms of content, an interesting article is poorly understood due to its specific terms. I have not been able to properly understand the text with the mention of "dichotomy", the wording of the concept does not fit well with the text.
  26. t118an
    t118an 9 July 2016 16: 32
    +1
    I read it and thought ... but why the hell ... well, there were ambassadors of the Chernomyrdin, Zurabovs, now neither the ambassador nor the donkey.
    Let it go and do not wring your hands. The question here is different, which the author did not mention, how to do it in a civilized manner, without war, without Natsik, without Bandera and other husks !?
    They were not bitten by a vampire, they were visited by Alzheimer because they believe that the person’s homeland, the first wheel in the world and so on, it appeared on the country. This is their path of development, and it must be passed. It’s like about a collective farm push during the fair threw a pack of yeast. Now its contents and stink spread throughout the neighborhood. Enjoy everything and they like it, here is the main problem
  27. iouris
    iouris 9 July 2016 17: 26
    +2
    There are no Ukrainian people and never will be. This is all the devoted Russian population. The EU is in the process of erasing national differences. If vampires are allowed to bite the Russians, then they just become cannon fodder.
  28. masiya
    masiya 9 July 2016 20: 13
    +1
    Their bosses there were completely and forever demolished, there will be no fraternal reunification, unless the especially frostbitten ones are killed and hanged for crimes against humanity, and the rest cannot be driven through Magadan. And with the renaming of everything and everything they have full speed ahead - in stock there is a whole pantheon of heroes of the 3rd Reich from the Fuhrer to Zoldat Schultz of the Panzer Division "Das Reich" and others, etc. and so on, rename usya as a cleanup - I don't want to !!!
  29. fa2998
    fa2998 9 July 2016 20: 50
    0
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    - fa2998, you yourself are not tired yet?

    You know, sometimes I sometimes make a remark to my daughters to wash the dishes (my own), then in my room to clean up, help mom until they do it. And they, like you, say: "Dad, you're tired!" So I tell them, if they immediately tore off their bodies from the computer and immediately made them - they would not say any more words! SO IF IN OUR COUNTRY ON THE SPECIFIED POINTS there are no solutions yet, sorry, I will speak. I don’t like it, don’t read, I’m not cold and hot from your minuses ! hi
  30. Shustov
    Shustov 10 July 2016 04: 12
    -2
    Quote: ALABAY45
    It's a pity, "potheads"! My wife and I have a crowd of relatives in the country of "victorious" democracy, the most powerful army in Europe and parallel economic power, I will go and mend a sock, left, and then my wife swears ... Indignant! am and calls me president of Ukraine Degrades, probably ?! repeat

    You will soon become a pan head yourself !!! If you haven't already, you just didn't notice it. On whose "mill you pour water" !? Do you even think !? Sit around your wife and do "important" things, writer.
    Along the way, you have not read the article "star" the first comment is catching yes !?
  31. Bramb
    Bramb 10 July 2016 17: 24
    -1
    Article - FALSE!
    Crest is genetically stupid, corrupt, cowardly, greedy, envious, mean.
    Do not believe? A simple question: who bit this folk under Mazepa, Bandera, and now in the states, Canada and Europe? It’s not even a three-headed vampire, but a vampire with about a hundred heads. )))))
    Do not take Ukrainians to work. And if they are hired, they pay ten times less than the Russian, don’t pay a salary (they don’t have enough money for court), don’t help on the road, don’t even help with advice. You’ll find yourself to blame anyway!
    Ukrainians-a nation-parasite. Itself is not viable. Thousands of evidence for that!
    Article minus. A crest must clean the toilets and do the dirtiest and hardest work for the lowest pay. Crest should not have any rights! A crest should not appear in public during the day! The Poles knew the Ukrainians by heart - for good reason such rules are for them. It would be a crest. Translated from Polish - cattle, cattle.
  32. Shustov
    Shustov 11 July 2016 08: 27
    0
    Quote: Bramb
    Article - FALSE!
    Crest is genetically stupid, corrupt, cowardly, greedy, envious, mean.
    Do not believe? A simple question: who bit this folk under Mazepa, Bandera, and now in the states, Canada and Europe? It’s not even a three-headed vampire, but a vampire with about a hundred heads. )))))
    Do not take Ukrainians to work. And if they are hired, they pay ten times less than the Russian, don’t pay a salary (they don’t have enough money for court), don’t help on the road, don’t even help with advice. You’ll find yourself to blame anyway!
    Ukrainians-a nation-parasite. Itself is not viable. Thousands of evidence for that!
    Article minus. A crest must clean the toilets and do the dirtiest and hardest work for the lowest pay. Crest should not have any rights! A crest should not appear in public during the day! The Poles knew the Ukrainians by heart - for good reason such rules are for them. It would be a crest. Translated from Polish - cattle, cattle.

    You are probably an extremely stupid person during your life, yes !? Smart and educated !? I doubt it !!!