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A number of states are seeking to ban nuclear engines for spacecraft being developed in Russia.

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Against the background of increased work in Russia on the creation of a nuclear electromotive installation (NESA) for spacecraft, a number of states called on the UN to reconsider the use of nuclear sources in space, reports RT.


A number of states are seeking to ban nuclear engines for spacecraft being developed in Russia.


"During the 59 session of the UN Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space, a number of countries, including the United States, Great Britain, France, Japan, Italy, Spain and Australia, called for a revision of the principles of using nuclear sources in space," writes referring to the report of the UN General Assembly.

“Some delegations asked the legal subcommittee to review the framework for ensuring the safe use of nuclear power sources in outer space and to promote the adoption of binding standards to ensure the responsible use of nuclear power sources,” the report says.

RT notes that this initiative "is a response to the Russian project of creating a spacecraft with a nuclear power unit for the 2025 year." None of the states of the world does not conduct such developments today.

From Wikipedia: “In Soviet times, from 1968 to 1988. A series of Cosmos satellites with nuclear reactors was launched. Several crashes of satellites of this series caused a great resonance. The first generation units differ from those of the 21st century in that the megawatt class reactor generates thermal energy, which is converted into electricity and is then used to operate the engine and other equipment, and its power unit operates in a closed cycle without releasing radioactive substances. In reactors of the first generation, a reactor was needed to heat the working fluid and create jet thrust. ”
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  1. fox21h
    fox21h 6 July 2016 17: 48
    +172
    They all go through the forest, do not listen and bend their line. Themselves cannot and others stick in the wheels, to whom, to whom, but it is high time for us to spit on all their quirks. I don't even know who you have to be to listen to them now, either a "drunk" or a "spotted freak", well, or a stoned liberal.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 6 July 2016 17: 53
      +88
      this initiative "is a response to the Russian project to create a spacecraft with nuclear weapons by 2025." None of the countries of the world conducts such developments today.

      Since they do not have, then it is IMPOSSIBLE to have others!
      Just a children's sandbox - since I don’t have a shovel, I’ll also break your house so that it’s not!
      And they can launch an unknown-purpose space drone,
      because others don’t!
      Well, tva ri !!!
      1. Kostyar
        Kostyar 6 July 2016 18: 00
        +26
        Scary ... pissed off ?!
        By themselves, people do not judge ................. kazly !!!
        1. cniza
          cniza 6 July 2016 18: 09
          +30
          They have a dream, everything that makes Russia necessary to prohibit, prohibition will break.
          1. Yars
            Yars 6 July 2016 18: 38
            +41
            Quote: cniza
            They have a dream, everything that makes Russia necessary to prohibit, prohibition will break.

            and this means that they themselves do not have the strength, there is no such thing as brains! Starting the invasion of different countries, the United States also did not ask permission from the UN, so FORWARD RUSSIA and without regard to it !!!
            1. krot
              krot 6 July 2016 19: 52
              +15
              Put a bolt on this resolution, and move in the right direction! The main thing is that the reactors are 100% safe!
              1. In100gram
                In100gram 6 July 2016 20: 03
                +17
                Quote: krot
                The main thing is that the reactors are safe at 100%

                Nothing is 100% safe. But it is necessary to develop nuclear technologies. We are leaders, and this is good news. An example is a floating nuclear power plant. The first in the world. "Kinder Surprise" Kiriyenko not in vain eats his bread with caviar.
                1. jjj
                  jjj 6 July 2016 20: 25
                  +32
                  Does the UN mandate extend to the Universe or is it necessary to conclude an agreement with aliens?
                  1. i80186
                    i80186 6 July 2016 20: 58
                    +7
                    Quote: jjj
                    Does the UN mandate extend to the Universe or is it necessary to conclude an agreement with aliens?

                    First, you need to get a UN mandate, but for this Russia must agree. smile
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 7 July 2016 11: 01
                      +3
                      Quote: i80186
                      Quote: jjj
                      Does the UN mandate extend to the Universe or is it necessary to conclude an agreement with aliens?

                      First, you need to get a UN mandate, but for this Russia must agree. smile


                      In the meantime, Russia does not agree - there will be no UN ban.
                  2. Armax
                    Armax 9 July 2016 07: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: jjj
                    Does the UN mandate extend to the Universe or is it necessary to conclude an agreement with aliens?

                    It is necessary to ask Juncker, he communicates closely with aliens and they have all sorts of different concerns ...:
                    wassat
            2. Bayonet
              Bayonet 7 July 2016 05: 28
              -3
              Quote: YARS
              and this means that they themselves have no strengths, no brains to do this!

              It looks naive, do you really believe that? Many are working on new engines and power plants, they just do not make noise about it. And at the expense of brains, here's another station arrived at Jupiter. The US space probe Juno, which entered the orbit of Jupiter, has already begun to transmit a signal to Earth, NASA reported. The main task of Juno is to receive and transmit to Earth information about the structure, atmosphere and magnetosphere of Jupiter. Scientists want to use the probe to test the hypothesis that Jupiter has a solid core.
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 7 July 2016 06: 46
                +8
                Launched on Atlas-5 on Russian engines RD-180, and so on the little things ...
                1. I am human
                  I am human 7 July 2016 09: 42
                  +4
                  What can I explain to him - he works for them
                2. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 7 July 2016 15: 53
                  -3
                  Quote: Simpsonian
                  Launched on Atlas-5 on Russian engines RD-180

                  Yes, in the first stage our RD-180 engine is used (in standard modification), if necessary, up to 5 solid fuel boosters are added. The second stage is Centaurus - one or two RL10A-4-2 liquid-propellant rocket engine developed by Rocketday is used as the engine.
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 8 July 2016 17: 47
                    0
                    Whose is ours? And whose development? Let's talk about very small shunting, and more English abbreviations and names of foreign companies ...
                  2. Theophanes
                    Theophanes 9 July 2016 14: 19
                    +1
                    LRE of our development stolen at Chubais, like most space ideas and developments.
              2. Krasniy_lis
                Krasniy_lis 7 July 2016 10: 34
                +4
                Quote: Bayonet
                just don't make noise about it

                Don't make noise? Someone Musk never advertises? Yes, they PR on rails, not embarrassed by the fact that this is never "innovation".
                New engines? And the United States, in general, whose engines and rockets do you use in a row?
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 7 July 2016 11: 48
                  -1
                  Quote: Krasniy_lis
                  And the United States, in general, whose engines and rockets do you use in a row?

                  I know that, it seems like no! Our RD-180s are used only on the river. "Atlas".
                  1. Bayonet
                    Bayonet 7 July 2016 21: 26
                    -6
                    Quote: Bayonet
                    Our RD-180s are used only on the river. "Atlas".

                    I repeat for those who don't get it right the first time - Our RD-180s are used only on the river. "Atlas"
                    1. adept666
                      adept666 8 July 2016 09: 41
                      +7
                      I repeat for those who don't get it right the first time - Our RD-180s are used only on the river. "Atlas"
                      RD-180 for Atlases. RD-181 for Antares, which will replace the AJ-26 (I mean, too, our NK-33 ...) smile
              3. Bayonet
                Bayonet 7 July 2016 17: 50
                -6
                Quote: Bayonet
                It looks naive, do you really believe that?

                Earned "patriots" laughing Let's minus, your energy, yes, into the mainstream of creation, wassat for example, in a rocket engine - everyone would be overtaken!
              4. iliya87
                iliya87 8 July 2016 10: 24
                +3
                Yes, most likely others are developing, but in practice we have already implemented reactors http://smartnews.ru/regions/tomsk/9687.html ps tests of individual parts were carried out and successfully

                Can you give an example of some other country where not on classified papers and not in the thoughts of scientists but in the material, or at least such technologies have been tested?
            3. dima mzk
              dima mzk 8 July 2016 22: 13
              0
              The United States, in an attempt to enter Berlin first, brought hell to Germany, thank God they didn’t have enough mobility for a nuclear bomb in Berlin
          2. i80186
            i80186 6 July 2016 20: 55
            +16
            Quote: cniza
            They have a dream, everything that makes Russia necessary to prohibit, prohibition will break.

            Nobody canceled the veto. As we want, so be it. It is impossible to forbid nothing, not to allow it without our consent at the UN. Dogs breshit, the caravan goes in general. laughing
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 6 July 2016 21: 43
              +25

              Nobody canceled the veto. As we want, so be it. It’s impossible to forbid nothing, not to allow it without our consent at the UN
              Thanks to Comrade Stalin. How much dirt has been poured, how many years have passed, and his visionary policy still works for the good of Russia.
          3. dima mzk
            dima mzk 8 July 2016 23: 11
            0
            while everything is normal in the chair we are violet
        2. BilliBoms09
          BilliBoms09 6 July 2016 18: 16
          +15
          “Some delegations requested the legal subcommittee to review the framework for the safe use of nuclear energy sources in outer space and to promote the adoption of binding standards to ensure the responsible use of nuclear energy sources”
          Will the sun also be taken in frames? belayThe largest reactor in the system!

          RT notes that this initiative "is a response to the Russian project to create a spacecraft with nuclear weapons by 2025." None of the countries of the world conducts such developments today.
          They lagged behind in the development and howled, the states and their mongrel!
          1. rus-b4
            rus-b4 7 July 2016 09: 01
            +1
            [quote = BilliBoms09] [/ quote] We lag behind in the development and howled, the states and their mongrel! [/ quote]
            I think as soon as they come up with something sensible so immediately and the bans will be removed
        3. sgazeev
          sgazeev 6 July 2016 20: 57
          +4
          Quote: Bone
          USA, UK, France, Japan, Italy, Spain and Australia,

          And why were the Japanese outraged? Let the mattress heads be removed from their territory.
        4. dima mzk
          dima mzk 8 July 2016 23: 03
          0
          the Japanese and the States are mega duper in our Unions at the start, you know what you’re doing, you’ll fly to Mars with their program being developed, and there’s the Russian flag
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 6 July 2016 18: 37
        +23
        A number of states are seeking to ban nuclear engines for spacecraft being developed in Russia.

        What can I say? If the publications were in foreign media that the engines on our combat aircraft are not environmentally friendly laughingMaybe they’ll also try to ban us from producing ICBMs. How is Euro 5 not conforming to the standard? laughing
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 6 July 2016 19: 06
          +5
          Quote: Observer2014
          What can I say. If the publications were in foreign media that the engines on our combat aircraft are not environmentally friendly Maybe they will also try to ban us from producing ICBMs? How is Euro 5 not conforming to the standard?

          The Washington hangers-on sang a new song, with the old words ... apparently somewhere infa passes that we are closest to creating a nuclear engine, so they begin to "bubble".
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 6 July 2016 19: 41
            +4
            Quote: NEXUS
            . Apparently somewhere there is infa that we are the closest to the creation of a nuclear engine, so they begin to "bubble".

            They feel that they cannot catch up with us in this matter, therefore they decided to create a ban on such engines. Well, then they will quietly make the same engine and withdraw from this agreement - they will not get used to doing so. Everything is very simple: in this way they hope to catch up with us in the development of such engines. It is necessary to unilaterally disagree on such an agreement.
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 6 July 2016 20: 36
              +3
              They feel that they cannot catch us in this matter,


              From what, the project "Prometheus". The fact is that before this statement they felt they were leaders in this direction. Apparently something went wrong ...
              1. The stranger
                The stranger 7 July 2016 02: 37
                0
                And there a lot of things may not go. The hydrogen bomb is a school assignment compared to this.
              2. Black Colonel
                Black Colonel 7 July 2016 08: 15
                +1
                they felt like leaders
                I read it to blindfolded by "pidders". Well, I think, already there "these" have been added!
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 6 July 2016 21: 35
        +2
        A number of states are seeking to ban nuclear engines for spacecraft being developed in Russia.

        What’s their business?
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 7 July 2016 06: 26
          0
          Quote: GSH-18
          What’s their business?

          For example, in 1978, the Soviet satellite Cosmos-954, with a nuclear power plant on board, entered the atmosphere and fell apart, scattering thousands of radioactive fragments into Canada. The Soviet Union then paid Canada more than ten million dollars in compensation.
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 7 July 2016 06: 49
            +3
            American also fell and nothing.
    2. Dimontius
      Dimontius 6 July 2016 17: 58
      +31
      So how to detonate an atomic weapon on our mother Earth at the peaceful Japanese, so please, but as a nuclear engine in space it is so impossible? would you go "partners" in the * OPU in one word! Our sovereignty is that we will turn back what we want, and you will indicate to your vassals. And in general, pray that we would put the RD-180 for you, otherwise you will pump up trampolines. PS and if not, what? Let me guess ... the sanctions? lol lol laughing
      1. DMoroz
        DMoroz 6 July 2016 18: 11
        +7
        Not only do we supply them with the RD-180 (we do not have our own), and the developments under the Orion project to create a pulsed nuclear rocket engine at the mattresses were rolled back in 1965. Technologies are lost.
        They can’t catch ours, so they are furious. What if you have to buy a nuclear engine from Russia
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 July 2016 18: 21
          +3
          According to Orion, nothing was lost - the creation of such a ship turned out to be simply an extremely expensive pleasure.
          1. DMoroz
            DMoroz 6 July 2016 18: 35
            +1
            I don’t argue about the cost of the ship. We lost one NRE to it specifically, the second exploded itself:
            In January 1965, a nuclear missile engine code-named "KIWI" was specifically allowed to overheat. At a temperature of 4 thousand degrees Celsius, the reactor exploded.
            Five months later, a real accident occurred when a nuclear engine of another assembly, which was codenamed Phoebus, overheated. It exploded when one of the containers with liquid hydrogen was accidentally empty.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 6 July 2016 18: 58
              +18
              Then in the 60s and 70s they invented so much of everything - except Orion - in terms of technological complexity there was a spaceship with a thermonuclear rocket engine Daedalus -
              On the outside of the camera are powerful lasers that turn on every nanosecond (billionth of a second) and send their beams directly to the targets. As a result, temperatures of more than 100 million degrees Celsius are instantly created on the surfaces of the latter at a pressure of about a million atmospheres. And this is quite enough for a thermonuclear reaction to start. So, after the contact between the laser pulse and the target surface, a thermonuclear microexplosion occurs with a power of several hundred kilograms in TNT equivalent. The frequency of such explosions in Daedalus reactors is about two hundred and fifty per second. As a result, the expanding plasma flows out of the open part of the reactor chamber through a nozzle of an appropriate design, creating a jet thrust, which pushes the ship towards new worlds.
              The most important parts of the Daedalus' structure were to be composed of a molybdenum alloy that retains strength even at temperatures close to absolute zero. It was decided to use a 50-ton disk made of beryllium, the thickness of which was seven millimeters, as a shield protecting the head of the complex from the flow of cosmic dust and gas. The ship itself, 190 meters long, was a two-stage system, where it was supposed to use granules from a mixture of deuterium and helium-3 as fuel.
              The last element was, according to the developers, to be extracted from the atmosphere of Jupiter using an air probe. In the same place, in the system of Jupiter, the assembly of the apparatus was to be completed and its launch into deep space was held. The ultimate goal of the journey was the star of Barnard, six light years from Earth.
              The entire mission was given half a century. The acceleration stage of the first stage was given two years, the second - 1,8 years. After that, the ship was supposed to reach a speed equal to 12 percent of the speed of light (the maximum is 36 thousand kilometers per second). Further, it would move by inertia for 46 years. He was to deliver 18 autonomous probes with ion engines to Barnard's Star. The ship was supposed to release them on a free flight several years before arriving at their destination, so that they could slowly begin to explore the alien star system. In order to prevent the dust and micrometeorites encountered by the vehicles on the way to destroy them, "Daedalus" had to throw into space a large cloud of small particles that would clear the way for them.
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 6 July 2016 19: 13
                0
                You are all right to say. But why shoot a laser at a target and create the necessary high temperature if this can be done technologically quite simply. And most importantly, without energy costs for the operation of laser systems, on the contrary, pairing the process with the development of several types, in quality, of energy.
                1. The stranger
                  The stranger 7 July 2016 02: 25
                  0
                  And what is easier?
                  No need to live in a comic book world. In fact, we are completely weak and weak. We have absolutely no means of controlling any significant sources of energy. We do not have picking mechanisms in the quantum world either. Except for hell, he knows why hardening of steels, well, and lasers, convex in our macrocosm. Yes, and little can do with them.
                  Nuclear reactors are not far from electric heaters. So, yard drunks burned the dog booths so as not to freeze.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 7 July 2016 11: 11
                0
                Work on the concept of this ship this year resumed.
              3. Vadim237
                Vadim237 7 July 2016 12: 11
                +3
                In principle, this project, if it had not been abandoned 50 years ago, at the moment would be approaching its technical completion.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 July 2016 19: 26
        +1
        We will supply rocket engines for anyone, since the USA is the only buyer of such products, and we have no other buyers.
    3. 79807420129
      79807420129 6 July 2016 18: 03
      +23
      Quote: fox21h
      including the USA, UK, France, Japan, Italy, Spain and Australia,

      Well, who else can? I wonder why this list does not contain such powerful space explorers as Ukraine and the Baltic states with the Poles. fellow
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 6 July 2016 18: 12
        +7
        Here our Kulibins give ... This will be a breakthrough into space! We in the USSR all dreamed of space .. "It's boring to take all sorts of Berlin Berlin ...")))) But to conquer the Space, in my time every boy dreamed and aspired ... But troubled times came, and the dream of "adults is already boys "stayed and they WILL DO it! hi
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 6 July 2016 20: 41
          +16
          Quote: Chariton
          But to conquer the Cosmos, in my time every boy dreamed and aspired ... But troubled times came, and the dream of "grown-up boys" remained and they WILL DO it!

          Times change, as in that joke:
          - What did you want to become in childhood?
          “Cashier at McDonald's.”
          - Cool! Okay, put on your spacesuit, let's go change solar panels
          1. The stranger
            The stranger 7 July 2016 02: 50
            0
            Come on, you better finish the pockets at last, otherwise they rubbed these round bottles my entire right boot of the spacesuit ((("Armanyayak", "Gruzinyayak", ..., but in a flat container they won't understand ... (((Plya!

            author! Rent all the ad space in your next 100 posts!
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain 6 July 2016 18: 10
      +64
      Quote: fox21h
      They all go through the forest, do not listen and bend their line.

      That's right. hi
      1. berezin1987
        berezin1987 6 July 2016 18: 54
        +12
        And now the main question. Why did they buy in Germany when they could do it themselves?
        1. sgazeev
          sgazeev 6 July 2016 21: 06
          +10
          Quote: berezin1987
          And now the main question. Why did they buy in Germany when they could do it themselves?

          Hunchback and EBN must be asked.
          1. The stranger
            The stranger 7 July 2016 03: 04
            -2
            But isn’t it easier to ask the German Greens why they impede the passage of hydrazine trains from Russia to Germany?
            And then in our news this flashed, and even Angela, nee Goebels, in a hurry lifted sanctions with Russia, in terms of space programs.
            Something like that, somehow.
            1. I am human
              I am human 7 July 2016 09: 47
              +1
              Maybe you should also ask blue ones ???
        2. polkovnik manuch
          polkovnik manuch 8 July 2016 15: 06
          0
          We have been producing hydrosine for a long time.
    5. Karasik
      Karasik 6 July 2016 18: 13
      +11
      Ai-ya-yay! They do not have such developments ... and is not even expected!
      It hurts them and offends! Even so: a-ah-hurt! From the fact that Russia is steadily and confidently regaining greatness. It seems the Soviet Union collapsed, the victory in the Cold War was celebrated - and here it is on you! Early victory was celebrated! Ah-huh, yes! Russia, like a phoenix bird, has risen from the ashes! So tear your hair out of anger in all your intimate places - in the future, the greatness of Russia will be eclipsed by the Soviet Union.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 7 July 2016 05: 41
        +1
        Quote: Karasik
        Ai-ya-yay! They do not have such developments ... and is not even expected!

        What a stupid thing! laughing They just do not yell about their developments ahead of time. We were promised a nuclear engine by 2025, we rejoice like children, and whether it will be is not important. wassat In the meantime, the NASA Juno Probe arrived at Jupiter and began exploring the planet. Juno went into space in August 2011. Five years of flight - alive and well, ready to go.
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 7 July 2016 06: 52
          +3
          As well as the probe to Pluto "New Garizonts" and the rover "Curiosity" and almost everything else has been launched on Russian engines.
        2. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 7 July 2016 07: 31
          +1
          These export versions of engines from the "Energia" RD-170 launch vehicle are much better reliable, more powerful and cleaner in vibration than the American ones, and don't pretend that you didn't know anything about these ...
    6. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 7 July 2016 01: 32
      +1
      Quote: fox21h
      They all go through the forest, do not listen and bend their line.

      Of course. The rules are written by the one who first makes ... Whoever they yap at, here you are, not Iran.
    7. dorogvalera
      dorogvalera 7 July 2016 09: 24
      +1
      Krymnash, so with "who should be" we now seem to be all right.
    8. electrooleg
      electrooleg 7 July 2016 12: 55
      +1
      Quote: fox21h
      They all go by the forest


      I support. Who was the first to visit, that and the cosmos!
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    10. dima mzk
      dima mzk 8 July 2016 22: 08
      0
      as if ours were listening to someone)))
    11. Blondy
      Blondy 9 July 2016 07: 44
      0
      A number of states are seeking to ban nuclear engines for spacecraft being developed in Russia.

      I will not say anything new: kindergarten - pants on the straps.
    12. beck
      beck 9 July 2016 10: 47
      0
      make and launch into space, who will check there)))
    13. derik1970
      derik1970 9 July 2016 15: 59
      0
      Haha ... Why are you so alarmed then. What benefit will you get from being a Russian engine with a nuclear installation or not in space. All developments, all the benefits of this will go to the oligarchs and their children. Ordinary people and citizens have nothing but total control, lower incomes, impoverishment of the population. Moreover, already once the Soviet satellite fell over Canada while scattering radioactive fragments ... at that time, our country paid good money to Canada. And now no one wants to receive radioactive rain on their heads again. You are amazing people, so worried about the oligarch who is in power, who does not want to share anything with ordinary citizens. The oligarchs, the authorities, the mediocrity who seek to show themselves to be chosen people, although everyone themselves came out of the Soviet past, is just feudalism of some kind. They are oligarchs, and with them the government how can they humiliate the honor and dignity of ordinary people who actually built a reliable base for them during the Soviet era, and you are ready to go to the stake for achievements that will support this corrupt power? Why do you need this ... Love your homeland, I do not believe you. They will tell you tomorrow gays in the ass to kiss, say so accurately and will kiss ... hi
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 9 July 2016 16: 06
        +1
        Quote: derik1970
        They will tell you tomorrow gays in the ass to kiss, say so for sure and will kiss ..

        - speak for yourself, yes?

  2. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 6 July 2016 17: 52
    +14
    The United States, Britain, France, Japan, Italy, Spain and Australia, advocated revising the principles of the use of nuclear sources in space, ”the publication writes with reference to the report of the UN General Assembly.

    Familiar to all faces, for some reason does not surprise
    1. figwam
      figwam 6 July 2016 18: 01
      +8
      A number of states are seeking to ban nuclear engines for spacecraft being developed in Russia.

      Let them first achieve that there is no radiation in space.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 6 July 2016 18: 53
        +5
        Quote: figvam
        A number of states are seeking to ban nuclear engines for spacecraft being developed in Russia.

        Let them first achieve that there is no radiation in space.

        You, this ... be careful with the prizes. Suddenly, these countries decide to turn off the sun so that there is no radiation in space.
        1. the villain
          the villain 6 July 2016 19: 07
          +3
          Quote: samoletil18

          You, this ... be careful with the prizes. Suddenly, these countries decide to turn off the sun so that there is no radiation in space.

          From these it will be, they will fly, at night they will land on it, and turn it off wassat wassat wassat
          1. Felix99
            Felix99 7 July 2016 10: 51
            0
            Will land? After several Hamers are stuck in a sunny sand on a sunny beach, they will drop several Hamers without parachutes into a sunny meadow.
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 6 July 2016 18: 53
        +1
        Quote: figvam
        Let them first achieve that there is no radiation in space.



        !!! laughing hi
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      1. gridasov
        gridasov 6 July 2016 19: 05
        +3
        Rostov to the Pope from Odessa Mom. The best punishment for those whom you have called is to forget them. They and all they do is an unstable system, and unstable systems are short-lived. Therefore, let "these or how them" be out of our attention.
    4. Orionvit
      Orionvit 6 July 2016 21: 37
      0
      Such news should be taken as usual. I listened to these "exceptional", and did the opposite, that is, as it should. Who cares. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35jLkIaA5WQ
  3. sever.56
    sever.56 6 July 2016 17: 55
    +19
    https://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/735/vpjn380.png

    What, the toad crushes that they have nothing of the kind? This is how Russia rushed to carry out a proposal that runs counter to national interests. Let them not forget that Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and it has the right to "veto"!
    Let them sit silently with their proposals, wipe the snot and envy them in silence !!!
  4. Wolverine
    Wolverine 6 July 2016 17: 55
    +7
    New reactors are fundamentally different from old reactors and safe, the west is trying to slow us down in this direction because our designs have no analogues ...
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 6 July 2016 18: 50
      -31%
      It must be understood that any reactor created and operating under the conditions of the Earth operates in a radial polarization of the medium inward, and vice versa in space. Therefore, it is necessary to simulate physical processes up to directly opposite in the vector of their polarization relative to the reactor vessels and the processes themselves. There are no models of such process modeling. Therefore, everything that will be created and experimented on Earth will not work in space. On security, if you are talking with an adequate person, you can’t talk at all.
      1. Baikal
        Baikal 6 July 2016 19: 09
        +15
        That is, that they are WORKING now, and long before that, objects with a nuclear power plant were working in space - did everyone dream of this? laughing
        1. jjj
          jjj 6 July 2016 20: 28
          +1
          Don’t tell anything.
      2. bk316
        bk316 6 July 2016 23: 57
        +6
        Quote: gridasov
        works in radial polarization of the medium inward

        What polarization?
        Where is it inside?
        I’ve got friends in the reactor doing a wonderful tincture (I’m not joking about a chemical reactor), which won't work either?

        And there’s another question: where did you find such grass?
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      4. PKTRL
        PKTRL 8 July 2016 09: 31
        +1
        For those who love the word "never" and who jump on the left heel (with boiling water) from the achievements of the STA, the following is dedicated:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsbhtK0qvrE


        On the devices were installed Y.E.U. to the place of solar batteries. In the 70s-80s, these spacecraft were in service. Now something more is being developed .. wink
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  5. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 6 July 2016 17: 57
    +10
    They are trying by any means to hinder the development of Russia. I give my head to be cut off, if it had a stigma - Made in there behind a puddle, there would be no limit to the delight of "progressive" humanity. And English scientists would describe themselves with emotion.
  6. V.ic
    V.ic 6 July 2016 18: 01
    +8
    They forgot to mention again the drug meldonium used in the Russian Federation, the infringement of the rights of sexual minorities and the "unjustified" annexation of Crimea ...
  7. valent45
    valent45 6 July 2016 18: 03
    +3
    Continue to work in this direction! And send this number of states, well, you yourself know where!
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 July 2016 18: 04
    +6
    This is the so-called asymmetric response. Americans gathered to Mars on chemical rockets. Six months one way. A ship with YR and electric rocket engines is able to reach Mars in three weeks. It is clear that "forbid and not let go", otherwise with such engines it is not so far to the satellites of Jupiter ...
    1. Karasik
      Karasik 6 July 2016 18: 22
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      This is the so-called asymmetric response. Americans gathered to Mars on chemical rockets. Six months one way. A ship with YR and electric rocket engines is able to reach Mars in three weeks. It is clear that "forbid and not let go", otherwise with such engines it is not so far to the satellites of Jupiter ...

      I read your comment and immediately remembered the song: "... OUR traces will remain on the dusty roads of distant planets!"
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 6 July 2016 19: 28
        +1
        Quote: Karasik
        .OUR footprints will remain on the dusty roads of distant planets! "

        In the song there were no roads, but "paths".
        And I remember the dear Timur Shaov with the song "39 and One":
        "We fly to the moon from a cannon
        We’ll put a spaceship on Mars
        Old Earth is not enough for us
        We will shit in space too ... "
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 July 2016 18: 37
      +3
      Yes, that's not the point, these will get to Mars before, since they are almost ready for two carriers of one heavy class, the other superheavy - there are fears, and so are the concerns that in case of a problem when putting this engine into orbit, it could happen accident with already known consequences.
  9. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 6 July 2016 18: 06
    +7
    To the best of our knowledge, the United States or, say, China, have not joined the document on limiting harmful emissions into the atmosphere and nothing. And then right there are fighters for the purity of outer space, ridiculous.
  10. Rambylbafen
    Rambylbafen 6 July 2016 18: 07
    +4
    interesting to see how they will ban wassat probably new sanctions fellow
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 6 July 2016 18: 23
      +5
      sanctions sanctions.

  11. Muvka
    Muvka 6 July 2016 18: 07
    -8
    Well, if you look soberly, what will happen if a rocket with this engine falls apart in the atmosphere? Or at the start it will explode. I am for it, but it’s just that not all rockets reach space, but still radiation ...
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 6 July 2016 19: 23
      +2
      Quote: Muvka
      Well, if you look soberly, what will happen if a rocket with this engine falls apart in the atmosphere? Or at the start it will explode. I am for it, but it’s just that not all rockets reach space, but still radiation ...

      It would be better instead of the minuses answered reasonably. And then some kind of kindergarten.
      1. Homo
        Homo 6 July 2016 19: 35
        +7
        Quote: Muvka
        It would be better instead of the minuses answered reasonably.

        And what is there to argue. This rocket is not for flights to the Earth’s orbit, but for flights into deep space. And who told you that they will launch it from Earth?
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 6 July 2016 19: 57
          +3
          Quote: Homo
          Quote: Muvka
          It would be better instead of the minuses answered reasonably.

          And what is there to argue. This rocket is not for flights to the Earth’s orbit, but for flights into deep space. And who told you that they will launch it from Earth?

          And how can a reactor be delivered into space?
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 6 July 2016 21: 33
            +4
            Muvka hi
            If, as you argue, then you cannot put a nuclear reactor on the ships. They sink and collide. And the military is in general a nightmare! They (warships) can also shoot at each other. So do not worry. A nuclear reactor to launch into space. They will be. Small in size. And just in case they will "pack" at the start, just in case. In any case, the fuel for it will be secured anyway.
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 6 July 2016 21: 49
              -5
              Quote: Observer2014
              Muvka hi
              If, as you argue, then you cannot put a nuclear reactor on the ships. They sink and collide. And the military is in general a nightmare! They (warships) can also shoot at each other. So do not worry. A nuclear reactor to launch into space. They will be. Small in size. And just in case they will "pack" at the start, just in case. In any case, the fuel for it will be secured anyway.

              Please provide a link to a sunken or colliding nuclear vessel.
              1. insular
                insular 7 July 2016 03: 52
                0
                Quote: Muvka
                Please provide a link to a sunken or collapsed nuclear vessel

                www.google.com here, use it.
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              3. Bayonet
                Bayonet 7 July 2016 05: 50
                0
                Quote: Muvka
                Please provide a link to a sunken or colliding nuclear vessel.

                Here is the list. (Click)
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 7 July 2016 07: 38
                  0
                  With a reactor on a nuclear submarine, it is easier to protect there and is cooled in water. Could be one American more ...
                2. Muvka
                  Muvka 7 July 2016 08: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Bayonet
                  Quote: Muvka
                  Please provide a link to a sunken or colliding nuclear vessel.

                  Here is the list. (Click)

                  Now tell me, is the atmosphere infected after their loss? Let's compare with a rocket that exploded at a height? What is the chance for a 50 km explosion to drop the reactor to the ground in general condition?
                  1. Krasniy_lis
                    Krasniy_lis 7 July 2016 11: 08
                    +2
                    Quote: Muvka
                    Is the atmosphere infected after they are lost?

                    and water? Or is it not important? Do you know about radiation contamination in general? Well, just a little bit? Do you know about the difference between air \ ground \ surface \ underground \ underground \ underwater atomic explosions?
                    Do not write nonsense.
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 7 July 2016 11: 17
                    0
                    On August 10, 1985, while being at pier No. 2 of the USSR Navy's shipyard in Chazhma Bay (Shkotovo-22 village), uncontrolled uranium chain reaction started when the reactor core was recharged on the K-431 nuclear submarine due to a violation of the technology for raising the reactor cover. At the time of the explosion, 8 officers and 2 sailors were killed. At the same time, the axis of radioactive fallout crossed the Danube Peninsula in a northwest direction and reached the sea, on the coast of the Ussuri Bay. The length of the plume on the peninsula was 5,5 km (further aerosol particles fell on the surface of the water area up to 30 km from the place of release).
          2. boris-1230
            boris-1230 6 July 2016 22: 42
            +2
            And how can a reactor be delivered into space?

            In parts, the modular principle. hi
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 7 July 2016 08: 46
              -2
              Quote: boris-1230
              And how can a reactor be delivered into space?

              In parts, the modular principle. hi

              So the fuel will still have to be delivered there somehow. Or will they drag along 1 atom?
              1. Krasniy_lis
                Krasniy_lis 7 July 2016 11: 13
                +1
                Quote: Muvka
                Or they’ll drag on 1 atom

                Sorry. What do you even know about a nuclear reaction? Well, does the "critical mass" tell you something? Can you imagine how fuel is delivered to the NPP? What is nuclear fuel, uranium as such?
                There is absolute not knowledge of the subject.
              2. xtur
                xtur 9 July 2016 17: 17
                0
                > So the fuel will still have to somehow be delivered there. Or will they drag one atom at a time?

                it would be worthwhile at first to ask smart people what would not look like ... a storyteller. Nuclear fuel for the ANPP is imported only by air. This is safe - there is such a parameter as criticality, it indicates the ability of nuclear fuel to explode, if simple.
                For fuel with a complex composition, the critical mass is very large, and even four fresh nuclear cassettes laid on top of each other in fresh water will not lead to a nuclear explosion. And fresh, and even enriched uranium is not very radioactive. That is why fresh fuel for nuclear power plants can also be transported by air - the risk of pollution is minimal.
          3. Red_Hamer
            Red_Hamer 8 July 2016 09: 53
            0
            And how can a reactor be delivered into space?
            Just like everything else. The flight theory back in the 60s, we have been formed. There, everything is there, read.
      2. Aleksandr1959
        Aleksandr1959 6 July 2016 19: 37
        0
        It would be better instead of the minuses answered reasonably. And then some kind of kindergarten


        I did not set cons. It is not about launching a spacecraft with a nuclear engine from Earth. Most likely, the assembly of such an apparatus should be carried out outside the atmosphere.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 6 July 2016 20: 30
          -2
          Do you think this is real?
      3. figwam
        figwam 6 July 2016 20: 07
        0
        Rocket fuel is also very dangerous for human health. In the case of an emergency, which in one case, in another case, special services of radiation and chemical protection should work.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 6 July 2016 20: 32
          +2
          Quote: figvam
          Rocket fuel is also very dangerous for human health. In the case of an emergency, which in one case, in another case, special services of radiation and chemical protection should work.

          But however, they are normally dealing with fuel for Proton at Baikonur, but somehow they still can’t in Chernobyl, don’t you know why?
    2. Suhov
      Suhov 6 July 2016 20: 06
      +8
      Quote: Muvka
      Well, if you look soberly...

      Ish Chevo you want ... smile
      Here the approach is often this:
      if partners say BLACK, then we must shout WHITE.
      But seriously, our "partners" are afraid and justified, for the fact that such an engine in space is a rocket with a nuclear warhead on board already launched.
      And this is fraught ... And no missile defense system on the border of the Russian Federation will be able to interfere with a worthy answer to our partners if that.
      So let them go through the woods ...
      By the way, Mongolia does not object to the deployment of nuclear engines in space, and the opinions of others do not interest us and should not interest ... wassat
    3. Igor Olegovich
      Igor Olegovich 6 July 2016 20: 31
      +1
      Nobody in the atmosphere was using a nuclear-powered rocket. The engine was designed for use in deep space.
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 6 July 2016 21: 06
        -1
        Quote: Igor Olegovich
        Nobody in the atmosphere was using a nuclear-powered rocket. The engine was designed for use in deep space.

        I repeat, the reactor with fuel must be delivered to space somehow. Not on a tightrope?
        1. srelock
          srelock 7 July 2016 17: 49
          0
          Quote: Muvka
          Well, if you look soberly, what will happen if a rocket with this engine falls apart in the atmosphere? Or at the start it will explode.
          I repeat, the reactor with fuel must be delivered to space somehow. Not on a tightrope?
          If soberly, it will be a pity for a rocket, a ship and invested labor. The reactor will be launched in orbit, and until then - it is shut off, the fuel is not activated and the destruction of the AZ is not dangerous.
    4. The stranger
      The stranger 7 July 2016 04: 37
      +2
      The monkey found a stone. Swung, hit the leg, cried.
      The second time the monkey found a stone. Swung, already got into the hand, blowing her nose. The third time ... After 100 years, after 000 billion deaths from mistakes with monkey stones, she wrote a guide on the survival of monkeys in the technogenic world.
      Do you know any other way to develop science and technology, apart from trial and error? I don’t. But I did less.
      Give me your version.
  12. newcomer
    newcomer 6 July 2016 18: 10
    +6
    and not huha not haha ​​at these saxobritafranks! probably the days are long gone when the trump card, yo ..., took any of their whims under the visor. they won’t do a damn thing to us. more sanctions, so they generally have nowhere else to go. we will have a nuclear engine, I assure you. because the first samples have already flown.
  13. sergey2017
    sergey2017 6 July 2016 18: 12
    +8
    This is a unique development! Nuclear power systems are considered the main promising sources of energy in space when planning large-scale interplanetary expeditions. The energy capacity of the International Space Station - 110 kilowatts - is ensured by the operation of solar panels with an area of ​​17 by 70 meters. For the implementation of interplanetary manned missions, for example to Mars, a much more serious power supply will be required - the issue will not be solved by solar panels alone. Providing megawatt power in space in the future will allow YaEDU, which Rosatom enterprises are now creating.
  14. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 6 July 2016 18: 15
    +8
    Nuclear power plants, for the energy supply of the spacecraft, is one thing. A nuclear engine designed to move a spacecraft in outer space is another. Russia apparently has quite interesting projects in this area. Back in the 90s at the IPPE named after A.I. Leipunsky developed technologies for converting nuclear energy into electrical energy, bypassing the phase of thermal energy.
    As for nuclear rocket engines, back in the 60s there were developments both in the USA (NERVA) and in the USSR.
    As for nuclear rocket engines, Kirienko recently mentioned, in the context of a flight to Mars.
    Chemical engines for the exploration of the solar system are unsuitable, and nuclear can be a new stage in space exploration.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 6 July 2016 18: 30
      +1
      Again stupefy ordinary people with fairy tales. A simple jet engine has severe restrictions on the speed of rotation of the rotor of a turbofuel supercharger. There is not even system knowledge on that. that in the blades or blades of the turbine there are wave phenomena that naturally lead to resonance effects and change according to the algorithms. Even Arkhip Lulka, exclusively intuitively and without justification, made an influx on the scapula not understandable why it changed the threshold for its destruction. Therefore, the same nuclear engine using appropriate materials should have such solutions that do not fit into the modern scientific paradigm, at least by how to transform the radial polarization of the material into a linear one. And this is extremely important in order to be able to convert non-radioactive material into linearly-radioactive or with a high degree of emission according to the corresponding vector, so that in a medium flowing out and ionizing the surface of the stream, it is possible to create a reactive effect and a reciprocal process with minimization of loss of consumables.
      1. Aleksandr1959
        Aleksandr1959 6 July 2016 19: 11
        0
        We are talking about a rocket engine, where there is thermal energy. released during a nuclear reaction goes to the heating of the working fluid.
        To use a nuclear energy for a turbojet engine ... is somehow scary. Chernobyl, in which case a childish joke will seem.
        In Soviet times, similar work was carried out. For example, the installation of a small reactor on the An-12 to determine how the reactor will conduct in flight. Other data, except for monitoring the behavior of the reactor, were not carried out by the research. I don’t know the details, but there was a smart person who stopped these experiments, and after Chernobyl ... no one wanted to resume them.
        in order to be able to convert non-radioactive material into linearly-radioactive or with a high degree of emission according to the corresponding vector, so that in a medium flowing out and ionizing the surface of the stream, it would be possible to create a reactive effect and a reciprocal process with minimization of loss of consumables.

        As far as I understand, we are talking about the direct heating of the working fluid, along with the cooling of the reactor. Those. the use of a single cooling circuit and the release of a radioactive working fluid, which is applicable only in deep space.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 6 July 2016 19: 24
          0
          Of course, I run into minuses, but I think that if we consider temperature as a derivative of certain dimensions of magnetic force processes, and therefore the temperature itself is always a process of dynamic interactions of some variable magnetic fluxes with others and with respect to the corresponding vectors, which means that mass rejection can and not be. You just need to create a polarization of a certain interaction with the polarization of space. Indeed, if we say that in space the vector of radial polarization from any body with internal pressure or within the framework of modern terminology is correctly expressed, directed away from it, this means that COSMOS is also polarized in its vector character. This means that this polarization can be triggered in a balanced and level in devices. Decisions are within those properties. which can be achieved by some device and process in it.
          1. Aleksandr1959
            Aleksandr1959 6 July 2016 19: 40
            +2
            Of course, I run into minuses, but I think that if we consider temperature as a derivative of certain dimensions of magnetic force processes, and therefore the temperature itself is always a process of dynamic interactions of some variable magnetic fluxes with others and with respect to the corresponding vectors, which means that mass rejection can and not be

            Have you ever been scared by these minuses? As far as I remember your messages, it’s not really.
            About
            which means there may not be a mass drop
            , I still remain a supporter of the classical theory of jet propulsion
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 6 July 2016 20: 42
              +1
              And you know that it’s good that there is a classical theory. This means that there are obligations to justify their ideas and theories. The only question is that many have already begun to see the limits of the possibilities of such classical theories so that they can be developed to new levels of understanding of processes. Especially complex and highly dynamic. Look here. We take two permanent magnets. Touching them, we see two processes that are completely identical and equal in energy, if the magnets are symmetrical in their shape. But we do not see magnetic fluxes that change their density and apparent strength as they approach or move away. I’m talking about the fact that the properties of the same magnets can be used not only in the development of electromagnets based on a solenoid, but also on the basis of the ionization process with highly dynamic fluid flow. This means that it is possible to achieve the level of interaction of one process with a closed system with the output of the magnetic field to the outer shell of the device so that it interacts with the magnetic field of space. And this is done very easily. It is only necessary to understand how the magnetic process is distributed on polarized geometric forms in space, and not only in simple forms of permanent magnets, where we see only the dominant effect, but do not see the whole complex, which depends on proportionality.
        2. slipped
          slipped 6 July 2016 20: 04
          +5
          You both confuse different technologies) In the specific case, we are talking about a TEM - a nuclear installation with which a megawatt of electricity is obtained through a gas turbine converter, which, in turn, is used to power stationary marching plasma engines. Thanks to this technology, we get constant long-term acceleration during acceleration and deceleration, which will allow us to accelerate the spacecraft to the third (hyperbolic) space speed, in addition there is a nice bonus - gravity will be present on the spacecraft due to constant acceleration. In the future, a more powerful reactor will allow flights to other planets of the system above the ecliptic plane, so that you can successfully forget about the launch windows).
          1. Aleksandr1959
            Aleksandr1959 6 July 2016 20: 21
            +2
            In a specific case, we are talking about a TEM - a nuclear installation with which a megawatt of electricity is obtained through a gas turbine converter, which, in turn, is used to power stationary marching plasma engines.

            I will repeat a little, at the Leipunsky Institute of Physics and Technology in Obninsk back in the 90s, developments were underway on the direct conversion of nuclear energy into electrical energy, bypassing the gas turbine converter. Just for the space industry.
            Otherwise, I absolutely agree with you. Huge "+".
          2. gridasov
            gridasov 6 July 2016 21: 01
            0
            I don’t think anyone is confusing anything. Maybe we are not specific in something, but the essence of the problem is clear. You also speak correctly and this is logical. But!!! The functions of a Nuclear Installation are replaced by safer processes and by orders of magnitude more potential in their result. The fact that nuclear processes based on radioactive materials are replaced not by radioactive or radioactive, but transformed into a slightly different task. And I repeat once again that with one device a power plant it is possible to fly both in air and space, and in a different density of media. The idea is to receive and manage a new quality of energy at a higher potential than is achieved now.
        3. gridasov
          gridasov 6 July 2016 20: 51
          +1
          The talk is about the possibility of using in the atmosphere the methods of flight with rejection of the masses, and in space without rejection of the masses. And all this on one installation. It simply turns into an open or closed loop process.
          1. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
            Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 6 July 2016 22: 44
            +5
            Listen people! Do you have a conscience? I’m behind the back of the physics department of Kharkov State University (so it’s not a complete cudgel in science), and I barely got through your polemic! Have pity on those who read your comments!
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            2. Suhov
              Suhov 6 July 2016 23: 59
              +1
              Quote: Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
              Listen people! Do you have a conscience? Behind me is a physics department ...

              He also taught physics, but ........ request

              Gregory is a question for you.
              A physics reference and a bottle of vodka will help understand that at least get an idea of ​​what the comrades were discussing?
              Or, nevertheless, preserve your mental health?
              I didn’t understand ... I, although I read physics and led seminars, was a student of Landau. hi
              1. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
                Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 7 July 2016 03: 39
                +3
                Better keep it. This is not the last test.
                If not a secret, who taught the course?
                We ran lectures to neighbors at the physics and technology department. They read Akhiezer
                1. Falcon5555
                  Falcon5555 7 July 2016 13: 26
                  +1
                  I had his textbook.
              2. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
                Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 7 July 2016 04: 34
                0
                Better keep it. I suspect that you will not find some terms and definitions in any reference.
                If it’s not a secret, who has taught you the course? We ran lectures to neighbors at the physics and technology department. They read Akhiezer.
            3. Falcon5555
              Falcon5555 7 July 2016 00: 34
              +3
              Quote: Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
              I’m behind the back of the physics department of Kharkov State University (so it’s not a complete club in science), and I barely got through your polemic!

              Did you get it? I do not believe. This is a feat. How did you do it?
              This almost masterpiece, which means you can explain in your own words?
              Quote: gridasov
              Indeed, if we say that in space the vector of radial polarization from any body with internal pressure or within the framework of modern terminology is correctly expressed, directed away from it, this means that COSMOS is also polarized in its vector character.

              laughing
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 7 July 2016 00: 40
                0
                Quote: Falcon5555
                Quote: Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
                I’m behind the back of the physics department of Kharkov State University (so it’s not a complete club in science), and I barely got through your polemic!

                Did you get it? I do not believe. This is a feat. How did you do it?
                This almost masterpiece, which means you can explain in your own words?
                Quote: gridasov
                Indeed, if we say that in space the vector of radial polarization from any body with internal pressure or within the framework of modern terminology is correctly expressed, directed away from it, this means that COSMOS is also polarized in its vector character.

                laughing

                - But the meaning is to look for the meaning in what is the meaning of no definition?
                - for the gymnastics mind only laughing
                1. Falcon5555
                  Falcon5555 7 July 2016 00: 47
                  +3
                  But Grigory Evgenievich writes that he "got his way", that is, figured it out. So I wonder what he understood. There, in my opinion, you can randomly rearrange all the words, and it will turn out no worse than it was. laughing
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                  2. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 7 July 2016 01: 08
                    +3
                    Quote: Falcon5555
                    But Grigory Evgenievich writes that he "got his way", that is, figured it out. So I wonder what he understood. There, in my opinion, you can randomly rearrange all the words, and it will turn out no worse than it was

                    - a hypothesis has already been put forward that the so-called Gridasov is a hybrid (more precisely, a symbiosis) of bot and troll
                    - bot generates various pseudoscientific nonsense
                    - the troll enters when it is necessary to give this nonsense the appearance of something minimally meaningful

                    Moreover:

                    - even six months ago "Gridasov" worked much more clumsy
                    - that is, the program is either being improved or able to learn
                    - but there was, for example, and this:

                    Quote: gridasov
                    There is a fundamental concept that the more comprehensive data the more accurately the probability that we are approaching objectivity

                    - check out the style laughing
                    1. Falcon5555
                      Falcon5555 7 July 2016 02: 00
                      +2
                      hybrid (more precisely, symbiosis) of bot and troll

                      right now I'll lie under the table with laughter ...
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 7 July 2016 02: 17
                        +2
                        Quote: Falcon5555
                        I'll lie under the table right now laughing

                        - that's okay ... here's one from "Gridasov" a year ago. I barely found laughing

                        Quote: gridasov
                        When Georg Kantor expressed his reasoning in set theory, and Benoit Maldenbrock in fractal geometry, they hardly listened to more flattering reviews about their work than I did. However, mathematics is an exact science. and therefore, following this postulate everything is so justified that it does not require additional justification for the scientist, so as not to understand the progressiveness of thoughts. Our mathematical reasoning and justification only allow us to state that fractal structures can be modified into fractal dynamical systems. this means that they can be expanded to spatial coordinates. Moreover, we are talking about the numerical justification of fractal dynamical systems as a system of algorithms in algorithms or as Kantor claimed infinity infinity. However, it is appropriate to say here. that any such infinity in the algorithm of its justification has a completely affirmative dimension on any part of this infinity. And this is a very important aspect.

                      2. Falcon5555
                        Falcon5555 7 July 2016 21: 03
                        +1
                        If you cross the roofing felt with a bot, you get a trolleybot.
                        drinks
                2. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
                  Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 7 July 2016 04: 25
                  +1
                  Above indicated the inaccuracy in determining their feelings. If possible, do not kick your head.
                  In general, I personally associated this "seminar" with the following situation:
                  You bring a bunch of radio components and multi-colored wires to a specialist and ask them to solder them all according to the principle: blue with red, yellow with green (and so on) and so that it is beautiful! Of course, you can't imagine the scheme and don't say what you want to get either. So how will all this work? Such a situevina is described by Savchenko ("Knowing Yourself", fantasy, in my opinion 1966 or 1967.).
                  1. The stranger
                    The stranger 7 July 2016 05: 12
                    0
                    Gee! Of course I was forgotten, but there was definitely such a book. I will deal with the mountains of other books - I will find and re-read :)
                    I’m a simple laser - I also scratched my turnips while I made my way. And at the end he was depressed - he himself could not generate such a thing - just beyond the power. Although lately have to fight with the morons, and on them such nonsense makes an impression.
              2. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
                Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 7 July 2016 03: 49
                +2
                This is not a gymnastics of the mind, this is weightlifting with elements of sadomasochism!
            4. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
              Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 7 July 2016 03: 47
              0
              Not quite accurately put it. I barely read to the end, trying not to go crazy. I can’t imagine some formulations at all.
  • izya top
    izya top 6 July 2016 18: 18
    +1
    I think Churkin will not hesitate to send them on foot erotic ...
    1. Bramb
      Bramb 6 July 2016 19: 26
      +2
      Not. He carefully listens to them all, without interrupting. All to one! And then just veto it. ))))
  • Taygerus
    Taygerus 6 July 2016 18: 20
    0
    Yes, do not care about them, let them come out with saliva from anger, and even better drown in it, what to take from them flawed, except for imposing sanctions, they still can not do anything and let them enter. Russia is constantly under sanctions and what? What they have achieved miserable, but sincerely glad for us. good
  • berezin1987
    berezin1987 6 July 2016 18: 22
    +2
    I would send staffers to hell. I do not understand Putin, why does he tolerate spitting in our direction? What does Russia want to achieve with its excuses? War is not won in defense, it is necessary to advance on all fronts. It is necessary to declare the impossibility of peaceful coexistence with the West to officially and openly recognize them as the enemy at the highest level. The USSR lost when it began to make concessions and sign stupid agreements. Russia is on a bad track and it scares me a lot. I am a supporter of total antogonism with the West in all areas and any international issues. You need to observe only your own interests, do not care about the opinion of the mattress and its sixes.
    1. Baikal
      Baikal 6 July 2016 19: 25
      +4
      It will turn out to enter the 2nd circle of the "iron curtain", only this time with a VERY unfavorable layout. In my opinion, Russia has a task not so much not to be gobbled up (it seems to have passed), but rather to prevent the main wisely striped "partner" from eating someone. something large and thereby prolong its existence. To behave calmly, to smile fluffy and peacefully in the face of the West.
      After all, the very fact of the absence of conflict is for the West his death, because he has less time ...
      And then, if everything succeeds, when the dust settles down - then all the rest should remember everything ... angry
      1. berezin1987
        berezin1987 6 July 2016 20: 26
        0
        And what's wrong with the iron curtain? The USSR is the peak of the development of Russian civilization in all respects. Yes, there were drawbacks, but in Russia today there are much more problems. We had an ideology attractive to many peoples, military and industrial power, and a healthier society. Of course, we incurred the costs of maintaining friendly regimes, but the enemy could not get close to our borders and dictate terms to everyone.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 6 July 2016 20: 38
          +5
          Quote: berezin1987
          We had an ideology attractive to many peoples

          - nonsense. "We had" regimes fed by the Union. The same Castro in Cuba, he did not immediately "fall into socialism", he became socialist when he simply had no other choice

          Quote: berezin1987
          Of course, we incurred the costs of maintaining friendly regimes.

          - in-in-in ... but when they finished "feeding", they abruptly ceased to be so "friendly"

          Quote: berezin1987
          And what's wrong with the iron curtain?

          - all, in short
          - isolation is always bad. Scientific, technological isolation is especially bad

          Not to mention the fact that now "going behind the curtain" is simply not technically possible.

          In general, forget it. We drove through request
          1. berezin1987
            berezin1987 6 July 2016 21: 52
            0
            Any great power strives to protect itself by surrounding friendly countries. Leaving our sphere of influence, we let our worst enemy go there. We had mutually beneficial relations with the CMEA countries, unlike Africa.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 6 July 2016 22: 07
              0
              Quote: berezin1987
              We had mutually beneficial relations with the CMEA countries

              - CMEA was "divorced" for a long time and painfully. It is from the point of view of "who owes whom and how much"
              - this casts doubt on the "mutual benefit" of these relations
              - although, of course, any cooperation is better than no

              Quote: berezin1987
              Leaving our sphere of influence, we allowed our worst enemy

              - "a holy place never to be empty. To a filthy person - a trikrat" (c)
              - at I am having fun so do not focus laughing

              Quote: berezin1987
              Any great power strives to protect itself by surrounding friendly countries

              - Does the United States have many "friendly" countries now?
              - Do you think the States are pulling for a "great power" or not?

              Alexander, you ... the power in words is great, but you (words) ... you don’t know how to arrange them (c) Arkady Raikin

              Something like that.
        2. vvv-73
          vvv-73 6 July 2016 21: 47
          0
          You see what’s the matter, because of the Iron Curtain you can lie as much as you like and people shout everything, as it was the last time!
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 6 July 2016 18: 32
    -1
    It’s just that someone began to fear that when this atomic rocket engine goes into orbit, an accident may occur and all radioactive fuel will enter the atmosphere — it will cover a large territory, this has already happened with an American satellite with atomic batteries.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 6 July 2016 18: 39
      -5
      Even just to ask the question, what can scientists do with radioactive material in terms of its transformation into a new quality - properties that they create? Only to enrich and create a certain critical mass. The use of dynamic methods allows obtaining a radically new quality of energy conversion and resulting effects. But then it becomes obvious that any solid material with a "rigid crystal structure" can be turned into radioactive material under certain conditions of ultra-high EMF in it along a linear vector.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 July 2016 11: 41
        0
        "EmDrive" - ​​this engine appears to be in the upper part.
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 6 July 2016 18: 33
    +6
    Well, first of all

    Quote: From the article, the main idea
    “Some delegations requested a legal subcommittee review framework ensuring the safe use of nuclear energy sources in outer space and promote the adoption of binding standards to ensure responsible use of nuclear energy sources, ”the report says.

    - this is not the same as

    Quote: Article, title
    A number of states seeks a ban for nuclear engines for spacecraft being developed in Russia

    - at least kill me with a slipper - not equal
    - journalists ... the second oldest profession, sometimes no better than the first, IMHO laughing

    Secondly. Typical forum member reaction:

    Quote: berezin1987
    I would send staffers to hell. I do not understand Putin, why does he tolerate spitting in our direction? What does Russia want to achieve with its excuses?

    - I translate: I didn’t read the article (and since I read it - I didn’t understand Nicherta), but I have an opinion! wink
    - well, there are no "spits" or "excuses" in the article ...

    Quote: berezin1987
    War is not won in defense, it is necessary to advance on all fronts. It is necessary to declare the impossibility of peaceful coexistence with the West to officially and openly recognize them as the enemy at the highest level

    - solipsism in its purest form. On the economy laid cross belay

    Quote: berezin1987
    I am a supporter of total antogonism with the West in all spheres and any international issues.

    - damn it ... "awful, already horror" (c) Vysotsky

    Gossss ... where are you only take these, and so many? fool
  • red rocket
    red rocket 6 July 2016 18: 34
    +2
    they know that Russian leaders in nuclear technology are afraid of the triumph of Russian scientists!
  • Arkan
    Arkan 6 July 2016 18: 35
    +3
    Do not pay attention to the attempts of "partners" to slow down progress in our space industry. It is necessary to do business in silence, to notify only when the equipment is already in orbit and is working.
  • Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 6 July 2016 18: 47
    0
    Quote: figvam
    A number of states are seeking to ban nuclear engines for spacecraft being developed in Russia.

    Let them first achieve that there is no radiation in space.
    lol laughing
  • Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 6 July 2016 18: 48
    +3
    Ah, what a pity that the Russian cosmonauts Nizya convict of the use of meldonium, disqualification for 100500 years.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 11 July 2016 17: 40
      0
      And was it caught? For this, after all, everyone needs to pass doping tests (which athletes do before competitions), and not just refuse admission to everyone at once, because someone somewhere made a movie about this ... and even invite everyone to prove himself that he is not camel and "has nothing to do with the doping system."
      And only athletes, one might think the rest of the dope can not use.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 6 July 2016 18: 55
    -4
    https://topwar.ru/67808-vzryvy-na-orbite.html Может есть резон не переться в космос с ядерным топливом?
    1. Homo
      Homo 6 July 2016 19: 37
      +2
      That's right, why are the engines good for us and on the horse! wink
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 6 July 2016 18: 58
    +1
    What nonsense, how can you forbid something that you can’t influence?
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 6 July 2016 19: 18
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      What nonsense, how can you forbid something that you can’t influence?

      Apparently, a new reason for imposing sanctions is pecking. It sounds paranoid and funny, but as practice has shown ..... the dog bites itself everywhere and the caravan goes on!
      Still in the embryo stage, and a squeal throughout the milky way))))
  • semuil
    semuil 6 July 2016 19: 03
    0
    And the "number of countries" in general is the same. China, India, this is not particularly worried, but Spain and Australia are the most. What the Poles with the Balts do not hear, perhaps something else?
    1. Angestyr
      Angestyr 6 July 2016 19: 20
      +1
      Quote: semuil
      Why didn’t you hear the Poles with the Baltic states, didn’t they get anything else?


      Yes, no, it’s just 3,14ndos who didn’t even order these mongrels to yap.
  • Bramb
    Bramb 6 July 2016 19: 24
    -1
    All this so-called civilized riffraff was 40-50 years behind us in nuclear energy.
    And now they are against! )))) Because we ourselves cannot create it even in the distant future.
    They forgot that now Russian laws are more important than international ones, and at the UN we have a veto. And all of them "against" us just purple.
    Where is the liberal foam and the whiner uncle Joe? This brick is in your face!
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 6 July 2016 21: 46
      +4
      Quote: Bramb
      And now they are against!

      - re-read the article
      - find at least one word "against" there (mind you, not in the title!). Or at least something similar
      - if you find, then I am a telephone box request
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 7 July 2016 08: 16
        0
        Because something is ringing?

        http://demotivation.me/images/20160705/233mmvxb6zn2.jpg
  • Betelgeuse
    Betelgeuse 6 July 2016 19: 26
    +3
    It turns out interesting how to bomb a country like that the UN does not need, and how to harm Russia so the UN is very necessary. So it turns out? A hole to you from a bagel, not restraint! Pandora's Box is open! And the mattress themselves opened it when they decided to butt with us.
  • Berkut24
    Berkut24 6 July 2016 19: 30
    +3
    Never a single nuclear engine in orbit can make as many victims as iPhones, iPads, and American corporations did.
  • v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 6 July 2016 19: 40
    0
    A number of states are seeking to ban nuclear engines for spacecraft being developed in Russia.

    The dog barks, the caravan goes on.
  • Mestny
    Mestny 6 July 2016 19: 54
    -1
    Quote: Strezhevchanin
    Still in the embryo stage, and a squeal throughout the milky way))))

    Probably a different stage, much closer to implementation, if they started screaming.
    1. slipped
      slipped 6 July 2016 20: 08
      +1
      Yes, a model of a gas turbine converter has already been demonstrated)
  • Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 6 July 2016 20: 12
    0
    http://masterok.livejournal.com/660231.html
    A good article on the history of work on a nuclear engine.
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 6 July 2016 20: 18
    0
    Messrs. Westerners, envy is one of mortal sins, remember that! The degradation of Western mental potential does not mean that we are doing something wrong or wrong.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 July 2016 11: 24
      0
      "Degradation of Western mental potential" - And judging by their latest achievements in space, there is no degradation at all - it is present only among Western politicians.
  • S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 6 July 2016 20: 21
    +2
    The thought immediately arose: if we have a power plant in orbit that can generate a megawatt (!) Of energy, some previously fantastic projects will come true. Combat lasers (let me imagine), for example, in an airless space will destroy everything in a few seconds: from satellites to ballistic missiles ... Yes, and a "point" strike from an orbit of such power ... Maybe this makes them tear fart?
    1. slipped
      slipped 6 July 2016 20: 42
      +1
      Well, of course, you fantasized about lasers, but microwave energy transfer at a distance .... just in this direction, work is being done)
      1. S_Baykala
        S_Baykala 6 July 2016 22: 20
        +1
        Maybe i don't argue request Just the idea that a whole bunch of discoveries in our time is almost impossible without the energy component: from exoskeletons to the notorious railguns. Especially in space. I swim a little on this issue, but as far as I remember: the main source of energy there is solar panels. No power. And then megawatts of energy. From Wiki:
        the megawatt class reactor generates thermal energy, which is converted into electrical energy and then spent on the operation of the engine and other equipment
        The opportunities open up to the widest.
      2. The stranger
        The stranger 7 July 2016 04: 54
        0
        And what is the difference? Both in range and in guidance?
        Boy, tell your teacher to prescribe you an even deuce, by weight, up to the exam, and on it, too.
  • japs
    japs 6 July 2016 20: 27
    +3
    Did I miss something? What did Kinder surprise from the atom say about flying to Mars?
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 6 July 2016 20: 30
      +1
      Quote: japs
      Did I miss something? What did Kinder surprise from space say about flights to Mars?

      - yeah, we missed it. "Kinder Surprise" has been running Rosatom for a long time, and it seems like .. not unsuccessfully yes
    2. Aleksandr1959
      Aleksandr1959 7 July 2016 13: 17
      0
      Did I miss something? What did Kinder surprise from the atom say about flying to Mars?

      Kiriyenko recently spoke about the prospects for the development of space using a nuclear rocket engine. Moreover, in the relatively near future.
      It seems that development in this direction is underway.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 6 July 2016 20: 33
    +1
    Fantasy! This is not an iPhone.
    A country capable of such technologies will receive absolute superiority! After all, such a rocket can fly not only towards the neighboring star system, but also back at an enormous speed. ABM on Mars, are they getting ready for this? laughing
    Well, but quite seriously, it is breathtaking from the perspectives. New, absolutely, new technologies!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 7 July 2016 05: 58
      +2
      Quote: avva2012
      Well, but quite seriously, it is breathtaking from the perspectives.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 July 2016 11: 27
        -2
        The Russian cosmonautics will not have any prospects with Roscosmos, even in a very distant future.
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 6 July 2016 20: 40
    +2
    The Americans got it right. Let's build it, as it were, for a "deep space flight", and then drop it onto the Pentagon - "it fell by itself, our apologies and condolences to the remnants of the American people."
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 6 July 2016 20: 48
      0
      I think no one will apologize. To detect such an ICBM is impossible in the future.
  • Betelgeuse
    Betelgeuse 6 July 2016 21: 02
    +1
    Quote: krot
    Put a bolt on this resolution, and move in the right direction! The main thing is that the reactors are 100% safe!

    The main thing is that they are effective! And they allowed us to once again become leaders in space, which we were at the very beginning of its development!
  • aybulat
    aybulat 6 July 2016 22: 12
    0
    The Yankees are hopelessly behind in this direction. After the appearance of such an engine in Russia, the Yankees with their engines will be in the Stone Age. So you have to try to slow down the development of technology in Russia.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 July 2016 11: 35
      0
      They got something cooler - EmDrive - a paradoxical engine that allows spacecraft to accelerate without dropping mass.
  • Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 6 July 2016 22: 16
    +2
    Material from Wikipedia: “In Soviet times from 1968 to 1988. a series of satellites "Kosmos" with nuclear reactors was released. Several accidents of satellites in this series caused a great resonance. The difference between the installations of the first generation and installations of the XXI century lies in the fact that the reactor of a megawatt-class installation generates thermal energy, which is converted into electrical energy and then consumed for the operation of the engine and other equipment, and its power unit operates in a closed cycle without the release of radioactive substances. In the first generation reactors, the reactor was needed to warm up the working fluid and create jet thrust. "
    In fact, a nuclear reactor to provide a satellite with electricity and a nuclear rocket engine are not the same thing. Miniature nuclear reactors are used both on the Soviet / Russian military and dual-purpose spacecraft, as well as on the American ones - and there were a lot of accidents in both, it’s just not advertised. Basically, everything rests at the bottom of the oceans.
  • Cobra77
    Cobra77 6 July 2016 23: 25
    +1
    Quote: Muvka
    Quote: Igor Olegovich
    Nobody in the atmosphere was using a nuclear-powered rocket. The engine was designed for use in deep space.

    I repeat, the reactor with fuel must be delivered to space somehow. Not on a tightrope?


    You have already been answered, FOR PARTS. The assembly will already be in orbit. But you can continue to ask this question further. Yes, there is still the risk of a nuclear fuel container falling. But as before, satellites with a nuclear energy source were launched and normal. It just needs enhanced protection and security. And so the nuclear power plant may crash. But for the United States, this does not prevent it from being the most prosperous country on the globe. Although the leaks and accidents they had more than once.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 7 July 2016 03: 42
      0
      "The assembly will be in orbit."
      The last time in our country, talking about the moon. Maybe such statements from officials are not casual. It is quite reasonable, probably, to assemble the device there, and to launch it too. If, as described above, the speed of such an apparatus is approximately 1/3 of the light, then the appearance of a new strait will become a reality.
      By the way, a list of countries that initiated the formulation of this issue. Washed off if suddenly? wassat
  • red_october
    red_october 7 July 2016 00: 00
    +2
    Quote: In100gram
    Quote: krot
    The main thing is that the reactors are safe at 100%

    Nothing is 100% safe. But it is necessary to develop nuclear technologies. We are leaders, and this is good news. An example is a floating nuclear power plant. The first in the world. "Kinder Surprise" Kiriyenko not in vain eats his bread with caviar.


    S.V. Kiriyenko receives a salary of 1 p. in year.
    By the way!
    Compare with such useful people for the country as modern football players
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier 7 July 2016 02: 33
    +1
    Show these foreign creatures a 3-finger figure and continue developing. And if they run over very hard, then just answer them that we are creating a super-rocket engine to neutralize the danger from Iran! And at the same time it is sly to look in their direction - like "you did this too and demanded from us that we believe you, so why don't you believe us now?" laughing
  • Wolka
    Wolka 7 July 2016 05: 40
    0
    those who are already unable to do anything today are slowing down, but the desire to rule the world still remains ...
  • Holsten
    Holsten 7 July 2016 06: 23
    +1
    The natural reaction of the Impotent League: what is not given to them should be considered immoral and forbidden.
  • vadimtt
    vadimtt 7 July 2016 08: 50
    +1
    Without nuclear energy, long-distance manned space is meaningless. Speed ​​is important, because in a year of flight the crew picks up so much radiation that it will subsequently be guaranteed to dock. It takes about 3-4 months to turn around, and this is impossible without atom splitting or synthesis in principle. The same applies to projects involving the transportation of heavy goods (base on the moon / Mars, etc.), no kerosene can be saved.
    In general, it was necessary to ban the development of the first satellite, but now it’s too late to rush about tongue
  • Slon_on
    Slon_on 7 July 2016 09: 03
    +1
    Such attempts by the "world community", and even the "public" itself, should be treated as a characteristic substance that floats on an ice-free water surface and ... do your job!
  • dorogvalera
    dorogvalera 7 July 2016 09: 35
    +1
    If the US had done it - news release "This is a small step for man, but a huge step for mankind" a number of countries, including the UK, France, Japan, Italy, Spain and Australia, have called for a review of the principles of using nuclear sources in space, long live nuclear reaction in space! "- the newspaper writes with reference to the report of the UN General Assembly." Well, something like this fellow
  • Enoch
    Enoch 7 July 2016 09: 54
    0
    Yes, apparently we will not be allowed. Well now do something, start basting or something, then there will be no noise.
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    2. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 11 July 2016 17: 43
      0
      break off - ecologists will make a noise
  • Millibyte
    Millibyte 7 July 2016 09: 57
    0
    Maybe Russia and anti-gravity engines will be banned - no one else? http://vlad-gluh.livejournal.com/3051057.html