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The Ministry of Defense intends to correct the situation at the Amur plant

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The Amur plant in the framework of the state defense order, last year was to hand over 2 corvette project 20380, you need to correct the situation, reports RIA News Statement by Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov.


The Ministry of Defense intends to correct the situation at the Amur plant


“The situation in the enterprise is not simple. Now four contracts are being implemented at the plant. These are the corvettes of the 20380 project. Two corvettes were supposed to be delivered last year. Therefore, we will deal with the new management of the plant, as they plan to correct the situation ",
said the deputy minister.

“We hope that this year the first corvette will be handed over. We want to make sure how well and systematically organized the work on the completion of the rest. The future of orders depends on this, ”Borisov continued.

“We have already spoken about this, and we will not hide it, if the Amur Shipbuilding Plant enters the schedule, we will place more orders. We have a plan to place additional orders, ”he noted.

Help agency: "Amur Shipbuilding Plant - the largest shipbuilding enterprise in the Far East, is part of the state United Shipbuilding Corporation. It was opened in 1936 year. During this time, around 270 ships and ships were built, including more than 50 nuclear submarines. ”
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. fox21h
    fox21h 4 July 2016 11: 20
    +79
    In general, an "interesting" situation is taking place at many defense factories, workers and engineers receive pennies in salaries, while directors and top managers are paid in millions a month, when this imbalance will be corrected is a rhetorical question, with the current liberal economy it seems like never before.
    1. Pavel1
      Pavel1 4 July 2016 11: 41
      +6
      an article like guess what is going on there, it's like the dismissal of the leadership of the Baltic Fleet - "for an omission in combat training" - then think out for yourself ...
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 4 July 2016 12: 16
        +4
        Quote: Paul1
        type article guess yourself what's going on

        If you go at least outside the Moscow region and look around, it’s not difficult to guess what’s going on. And if you multiply the situation by the distance from Moscow to the Amur ... ((
        1. Pavel1
          Pavel1 4 July 2016 12: 25
          +1
          Quote: Verdun
          Quote: Paul1
          type article guess yourself what's going on

          If you go at least outside the Moscow region and look around, it’s not difficult to guess what’s going on. And if you multiply the situation by the distance from Moscow to the Amur ... ((


          Are you talking about the creation of the National Guard to protect the existing order from extremist maidanof?
    2. alexanderrzn
      alexanderrzn 4 July 2016 11: 43
      -22%
      when the scoop at these enterprises is dispersed, then it will become better.
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 4 July 2016 12: 18
        +8
        Sergeant, please clarify your thought: “when the scoop at these enterprises accelerates, then it will get better?” You propose to fire all experienced workers (they’re a scoop), and who will work: director, guest workers, or maybe mosquitoes (there are clouds of them) will make?
        1. alexanderrzn
          alexanderrzn 4 July 2016 13: 04
          +6
          with the director and start. you have the wrong idea about the scoop. directors, the beginning of production and others who on their website are proudly called "DIRECTORATE" (well not a directory): Vladimir V. KULAKOV
          CEO (sitting there a long time ago),
          BOROVSKY Mikhail Vasilievich
          Production Director
          KOVALENKOV Vladimir Nikolaevich
          Director of quality,
          PLEKHOV Konstantin Vladimirovich
          Deputy General Director for Regime and Security (until the age of 91, the head of the party cell would be called)
          SHATSKikh Vasily Sergeevich
          Chief builder
          SAMARIN Valery Vasilievich
          Deputy General Director for the operation of submitted orders (the chief for washing ships and general bath)
          BEKASOV Andrey Viktorovich
          Deputy General Director for Work with Government Agencies (dad gbshnik apparently)
          MAKSIMOV Sergey Alexandrovich
          Human Resources Director
          this is the scoop, and this is only the tip, and then the heads of departments, the heads of trade unions and other rubbish. and when do they build ships? they have so much paper work - the budget must be mastered.
          1. Pitot
            Pitot 4 July 2016 15: 13
            +1
            And mastering means offshore .....
          2. Kudrevkn
            Kudrevkn 4 July 2016 20: 12
            0
            Is there a military representative? Whom to put against the wall? Not a "navigator" with a switchman?
      2. avt
        avt 4 July 2016 12: 39
        +3
        Quote: alexanderrzn
        when the scoop at these enterprises is dispersed, then it will become better.

        Once for the "scoop" I spoke, change the drive to the "Iron". It is the farmers who put their gear at the Intourist hotels - “irons”, loitering in search of an import client who is ready to sell jeans and so on for rubles, or change currency, ALL the rest, well, those who actually work in production, were dumped “with scoops.” Well, now "Irons" began to be effective managers, and how they do "better" - RAO UES showed, well, what they did with it. This is one of the most ambitious. And there is also "Yo" mobile. Do you do it for an hour? Again, Yo bialon and Yo party, but the party seems to be called a platform.
        1. alexanderrzn
          alexanderrzn 4 July 2016 13: 08
          -12%
          drove the convicts. I do not know what you have to do with them, but the scoop is just the farmers. scoop is a "dictatorship of the proletariat" and "I'm the boss you shit" rolled into one. some steal, others steal, some "saw", others sawdust in their pockets and through the checkpoint ...
          1. avt
            avt 4 July 2016 13: 19
            +7
            Quote: alexanderrzn
            but the scoop is just scammers

            laughing Well this is decidedly impossible! laughing The speculator, they are on the hair dryer, "forts", "the farmer" turns out to be a "scoop" wassat Here zhezh bred victims of the exam trained by Wikipedia. laughing
            1. alexanderrzn
              alexanderrzn 4 July 2016 13: 35
              -3
              "change drove"
              "they are on a hairdryer"
              you should do something with your vocabulary from places not so distant
          2. Pitot
            Pitot 4 July 2016 15: 14
            +5
            Never in Soviet times did the governing staff and, by the way, the party composition, allow themselves to be abusive and derogatory to hard workers. Do not drive the snowstorm ....
            1. prorab_ak
              prorab_ak 4 July 2016 17: 04
              0
              Bueeeee laughing laughing laughing .... you see, friend, you didn’t go further than any entrance to the factory’s territory ... such trebuches are distributed there (distributed) ... especially for the delivery of the plan .... it's just a swan song
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 4 July 2016 13: 01
        +6
        Quote: alexanderrzn
        when the scoop at these enterprises is dispersed, then it will become better.

        Yes, yes, yes ... like in Poland. laughing
        During the times of the Polish People's Republic, the Gdańsk Shipyard - the cradle of the famous Polish trade union Solidarity - produced 30 ships a year. Now it is only planned to release 10 ships annually. For a decade and a half, the number of personnel at the shipyard has halved. The Gdansk shipyard has already gone through bankruptcy procedures twice.
        In order to somehow rectify the situation, the state resorted to large financial influences in the industry. The euractiv.com portal cites a figure of 3,3 billion euros, which were received only by shipyards in Gdynia and Szczecin.
        According to other sources, the shipbuilders of Szczecin received 1 billion from the Polish government, and Gdynia - 700 million euros. The Gdansk shipyard received 200 million euros of government subsidies.
        The European Commission believes that massive public investment has not contributed to the long-term survival of enterprises. They are seen by Brussels as a means of unfair competition. Therefore, Commissioner for Competition Policy Nelly Kroes insists that shipbuilders return the funds received from him to the state.
        In connection with this, the European Commission developed a plan, according to which it is first necessary to sell the assets of the shipyards and pay off multi-million debt owing to the funds received. After that, the shipyards themselves should be privatized.
        At the same time, potential shipyard owners will not be obliged to continue building ships or maintain the current level of employment. As the representative of the European Commission Herbert Ungerer, who was in Warsaw in October, said that it is necessary to start new types of activity at the Polish shipyards.
        © BBC
        1. alexanderrzn
          alexanderrzn 4 July 2016 13: 14
          -5
          I do not see an analogy
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 4 July 2016 14: 52
            +4
            Quote: alexanderrzn
            Alexey

            And in vain - after all, the analogy here is direct. If you change the "scoop" to "effective managers", then first of all, within the framework of "cost optimization" they will cut workers, and secondly - with howls about "unprofitable production" they will sell the shipyard's equipment for scrap, and the territory - for business centers. Need to start new activities, Yes...
            And ships will be advised to build in Korea - it’s cheaper there.

            Pomnitz, several years ago in Finland they planned to "optimize" the shipyard in Helsinki in this way. If it had not been for the purchase of her USC, there would have been new quarters of residential buildings instead.
            1. Kudrevkn
              Kudrevkn 4 July 2016 21: 06
              0
              Wärtsilä shipyard in Turku
    3. seti
      seti 4 July 2016 11: 44
      -3
      Well, that's the answer to those who shouted that "everything was lost" in the situation with long-term corvettes. Perhaps everything looks rosy in the article, but it says that they know about the problem and that it is being solved.
    4. RUS96
      RUS96 4 July 2016 11: 49
      +1
      Hello everyone. We saw the news.
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 4 July 2016 11: 50
        0
        What again is the perduk?
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 4 July 2016 12: 23
          +2
          Belovezhskaya Pushcha, be it not alright, Borya, Shushkevich and Kravchuk officials, and even earlier ... Yes, what now says!
      2. Pavel1
        Pavel1 4 July 2016 11: 53
        0
        Quote: RUS96
        Hello everyone. We saw the news


        ours from Syria then the planes brought out, why do we need Turkey?
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 4 July 2016 12: 00
          +4
          ours from Syria then the planes

          Who told you such nonsense? Withdrew part, perhaps even most of the aircraft. But many planes remained. Plus, Mi-28 and Ka-52 attack helicopters were deployed.
          1. Pavel1
            Pavel1 4 July 2016 12: 13
            0
            Quote: Wiruz
            Who told you such nonsense? Withdrew part, perhaps even most of the aircraft. But many planes remained. Plus, Mi-28 and Ka-52 attack helicopters were deployed.


            are you there easier on the bends, but what didn’t you take out? Now the attack arose and the Allies in a fight for the bombing ...
            1. vovanpain
              vovanpain 4 July 2016 12: 29
              +9
              Quote: Paul1

              are you there easier on the bends, but what didn’t you take out?

              You dear Emperor Paul 1, do not poke, your prototype has never allowed itself such a thing. hi Your colleague answered you correctly, they brought out most of them, but added helicopters.
              Quote: Paul1
              Now the offensive arose and the Allies in a fight for the bombing.

              So dear Pavel, you see those who stand in line our VKS do not obey, these waiting lists must be contacted by the General Staff of the SAR, which works with those to whom our VKS are subordinate, and the final decision on the return or withdrawal of our group is made only by the Supreme Commander. I have a little clarified the situation Your Imperial Majesty. hi
              1. Pavel1
                Pavel1 4 July 2016 13: 20
                -2
                Quote: vovanpain
                I hope I have clarified the situation a little to Your Imperial Majesty.

                what you told here for an explanation does not hold out, while our planes were bashing the Basmachis, the war turned out, and now they not only do not go forward but also recede, and this is of course connected with the weakening of bomb strikes, but why should weaken the onslaught if the war is not over? On the contrary, the bombardment should have been intensified so that the war would be ended more quickly, but done exactly the opposite. These are all undercover games and this does not paint the Kremlin.
                1. Svetlana
                  Svetlana 4 July 2016 17: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: Paul1
                  On the contrary, the bombardment should have been strengthened so that the war would be ended more quickly, but done exactly the opposite. These are all undercover games and this does not paint the Kremlin.

                  Only the rising sun can paint the walls of the ancient Kremlin, and everything that happens inside does not affect its color. The war continues, not everything develops as we would like. Even in the Donbass, do not forget, also a war, and also not everything is as we would like. In the conditions of the global crisis, in the conditions of the financial dependence of our country on the world banking system, even the assistance provided to Assad and Donbass is simply enormous. The war is not virtual, but real, and this is not a cheap pleasure.
      3. fox21h
        fox21h 4 July 2016 14: 01
        0
        Quote: RUS96
        Hello everyone. We saw the news.

        Maybe it will post these very different things, you can say a lot, but in reality ...
        As they say, do not believe the words, but believe the deeds, and things are not very good so far, as the militants went through Syria to Syria, so they are. So for now, a completely different conversation is with business.
    5. jetfors_84
      jetfors_84 4 July 2016 11: 49
      +6
      And note that this is not only in the industry, but everywhere in government and commercial organizations. Whoever is closer to the feeder believes that he should receive more. The whole philosophy and businessmen also boil down to the fact that workers are slaves who must plow for a piece of bread.
      They have already stuttered on this topic, but it is obvious that the elite does not like it, it all talks about the level of performance.
      Until they put things in order, life will not get better.
    6. Stalker.1977
      Stalker.1977 4 July 2016 12: 00
      +1
      In general, an "interesting" situation is taking place at many defense factories, workers and engineers receive pennies in salaries, while directors and top managers are paid in millions a month, when this imbalance will be corrected is a rhetorical question, with the current liberal economy it seems like never before.
      I will answer with the words of a famous person -
      "Every third to the wall (swindlers, bandits and other scum), only mass executions will save the Motherland"
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 4 July 2016 12: 20
        +3
        Quote: Stalker.1977
        Every third to the wall (crooks, bandits and other scum), only mass executions will save the Motherland

        Maybe for some people it’s a secret how the management of these enterprises is appointed, but in my opinion all these candidates of top managers are first of all agreed with the CIA and only after approval in Langley they are appointed. Therefore, it is not the management of enterprises, which 2 years ago was supposed to become unemployed, to deal with, but those who shoved and recommended these candidates in ministries and departments.
    7. drunkram
      drunkram 4 July 2016 12: 32
      +6
      It’s not only in the defense industry, it’s everywhere. At our plant producing Methanol, the maximum wage for a worker is 25tr, while for example, a labor protection engineer (not to be confused with the State Industrial Safety Institute) receives as much as 65t.rubles, while his working day is 7 hours, of which 3-4 he is at the table under air conditioning + lunch 1 hour. A worker plows like a horse, given that he has a working day of 9 hours + a trip home, because 20 km to the city, this time is also considered working.
    8. Juborg
      Juborg 4 July 2016 13: 21
      -2
      It’s too late to sort it out there, it is necessary to initiate and plant with complete confiscation, and preferably for life, so to speak, according to national interests and state security.
    9. Altona
      Altona 4 July 2016 15: 02
      +2
      Quote: fox21h
      In general, an "interesting" situation is taking place at many defense factories, workers and engineers receive pennies in salaries, while directors and top managers are paid in millions a month, when this imbalance will be corrected is a rhetorical question, with the current liberal economy it seems like never before.

      ------------------
      It is now common for parasites to write rainbow reports and write stupid programs to get many more people to solve technical problems. The state hypocritically nods to the market, which in fact it did not create, but created an ugly feudal-administrative system that devours the economy. The Soviet administrative system at least developed it at the very least, albeit in an "extensive" way. And in our country, with all the chubais and curls, they have not created a system where it is really possible to carry out technological projects like in the United States at least. Instead, laws are being passed that encourage corporate raiding and make it economically profitable. Laws for economic bondage, from "microfinance" to the rest, to take property.
    10. Pitot
      Pitot 4 July 2016 15: 11
      0
      As before, there were directors and now there are two big differences. Now they are only managers who can withdraw money from Russia. Along the way, little has changed since the Yelitsin era, its copper by the leg and into the ditch ....
    11. Buffet
      Buffet 4 July 2016 16: 27
      +1
      As a young specialist, I only received a receipt today ... 15thousand. It was 20 half a year ago. We are engaged in electronic warfare.
    12. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 4 July 2016 17: 24
      +2
      Duc of Universia
      As in Russian paper roads (the term has been mine since 1995), the main thing here is reporting, beautiful graphics, and hundreds of managers' salaries! Notice! Hundreds times more than workers. This is called a state-owned enterprise.
      Mr. President, Mr. President ...
    13. ICT
      ICT 4 July 2016 18: 25
      0
      Quote: fox21h
      workers and engineers receive a penny of salary,


      no kada .....
    14. ver_
      ver_ 7 July 2016 04: 56
      0
      ... this is very easy to treat - for each day of delay in the order, skim the "cream" from the earnings of "effective managers" exponentially ... and when reaching 0, continue to the column "debts" ..
  2. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 4 July 2016 11: 21
    +5
    Recently, on the site about this plant, spears broke! Maybe something really will change for the better over time ???
    1. just exp
      just exp 4 July 2016 12: 24
      0
      fresh food and angry with difficulty.
  3. prior
    prior 4 July 2016 11: 22
    +10
    "Therefore, we will deal with the new management of the plant."

    Well, if the leadership is new, then the problems are old - corruption, theft, incompetence.
    Time efficient cutting managers, however.
    1. alexanderrzn
      alexanderrzn 4 July 2016 11: 45
      -8
      new leadership, it means the best soviet traditions, the director became deputy and his son deputy became director.
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      2. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 4 July 2016 12: 22
        +2
        Quote: alexanderrzn
        new leadership, it means the best soviet traditions, the director became deputy and his son deputy became director.


        By the way, the "scoop" did not allow nepotism in the leadership at all. But she was even encouraged in working specialties.
        1. alexanderrzn
          alexanderrzn 4 July 2016 12: 33
          -3
          this was not allowed in the Soviet Union. and in a scoop only this happened. and is still happening. the Soviet Union is gone. and the scoop lives in the military industrial complex and in the ministries.
        2. avt
          avt 4 July 2016 13: 35
          +3
          Quote: evge-malyshev
          By the way, the "scoop" did not allow nepotism in the leadership at all.

          This is if in life, well, not in a virtual, which was not there then. But the generation has grown up, which gives its own glitches for reality.
          Quote: alexanderrzn
          this was not allowed in the Soviet Union. and in a scoop only this happened. and is still happening. the Soviet Union is gone. and the scoop lives in the military industrial complex and in the ministries.

          wassat Oh how! laughing Here it’s real to a specialist practicing the appropriate profile.
          1. alexanderrzn
            alexanderrzn 4 July 2016 13: 44
            -4
            Are you trying to show your narrow-mindedness?
            1. avt
              avt 4 July 2016 17: 35
              0
              Quote: alexanderrzn
              Are you trying to show your narrow-mindedness?

              Here on the website, many-o-o-gin are asking a question - Why in Ukraine people will not come to consciousness, then? Well, here’s the aspad / tovarisch we’ll put a good example
              Quote: alexanderrzn
              when the scoop at these enterprises is dispersed, then it will become better.

              They invested in a unicellular mantra, which, as it seems to him, is the fruit of his meaningful activity. And the fact that even the lower hemispheres of the SAM cannot work out this misle, you will prove the hell. Even if this object gets quite verifiable not only by some thoughtful authorities, but simply by Wikipedia, well, I'm talking about
              Quote: alexanderrzn
              ... It is the farmers who put their gear at the Intourist hotels - “irons”, loitering in search of an import client who is ready to sell jeans and so on for rubles, or change currency, ALL the rest, well, those who actually work in production, were dumped by “shovels”
              THEN all one will adjust to its uncomplicated - "thirst is everything, the image is nothing", turning upside down
              Quote: alexanderrzn
              , but the scoop is just the farmers and there are. scoop is the "dictatorship of the proletariat"

              fool The brain does not even take the causal relationship "scoop" with the CCCP, in the derogatory sense of the word.
              Quote: alexanderrzn
              in the Soviet Union was not allowed. and in the scoop it only happened

              A nested matrix brain simply cannot make an association. Well, it does not fit, and therefore does not. Well, about "higher mathematics"
              Quote: evge-malyshev
              By the way, the "scoop" did not allow nepotism in the leadership at all. But she was even encouraged in working specialties.

              Quote: alexanderrzn
              this was not allowed in the Soviet Union. and in the scoop it was just that.

              I'm not talking. You will kill yourself against the wall, but NOTHING, even with very specific examples, you will not prove a simple fact as lowing - property is inherited under capitalism, that is, now. And earlier, well, if you just look at real biographies, people really rose from the plow to ANY level. But you can prove our "noble" horse-radish - he is invulnerable in the "scoop" format! laughing Clip thinking and small forms "well, where the smartest, great thing goes after" Klinsky "! I just applaud - you really need to be able to drive your intellect into your thinking without picks! The final is the apotheosis in Ukraine. So all those who demand to "cook goulash and march to Sokal", especially adherents of the Girkin / Strelkov sect, I recommend that they still think about what they might actually encounter on the way, well, in terms of the "liberated" population and its mental health. Naturally, this does not apply to the LDNR, well, this is me - I re-mortgaged.
    2. alexanderrzn
      alexanderrzn 4 July 2016 12: 28
      -5
      and who told you that the leadership is new. I’d take it and see what kind of plant it is. its current director somehow congratulated the workers on the 80th anniversary of the plant. built in the 29th year. and now the task is quick wit how much the minimum director sits in his place. This scoop is a collective farm.
  4. KOH
    KOH 4 July 2016 11: 22
    +5
    Well, not really all these highly placed uncles, the president’s kick is obligatory, for success at least in something ...
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 4 July 2016 11: 29
      +7
      Quote: CON
      Well, not really all these highly placed uncles, the president’s kick is obligatory, for success at least in something ...

      No uncle prosecutor, complete confiscation of property and worked in the fresh air with personal protection. 15 years.
      1. Old military officer
        Old military officer 4 July 2016 11: 39
        +11
        Exactly and only so! And not only at defense industry enterprises, but everywhere. Even in schools and, probably, hospitals, where directors receive 1000000 a year, and employees get only a penny.
    2. alexanderrzn
      alexanderrzn 4 July 2016 11: 49
      -2
      no kick no shooting will not help them. in almost all enterprises financed from the budget, the collective farm and the scoop reign in the abusive sense of the word. they don’t care at what price and what quality, they don’t care at what time. the state will buy and also pay a premium, but it’s necessary to put taxes somewhere that don’t go to education anymore.
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 4 July 2016 12: 35
        +1
        Sergeant, do you propose to transfer all defense orders to private hands? Maybe ask the neighbors to build it? They may agree, but a huge palm tree grows across the ocean and shouts from there "give sanctions, the Russians will attack now"
        1. alexanderrzn
          alexanderrzn 4 July 2016 12: 47
          -2
          I propose to scoop out of the military industrial complex and the state in general.
  5. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 4 July 2016 11: 23
    +4
    There is a proposal - to put the director of the plant moderator Alexander Romanov and give him an unlimited opportunity, Nagan and Mikhan in a new role to help !!!! wassat
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 4 July 2016 12: 00
      0
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      There is a proposal - to put the director of the plant moderator Alexander Romanov and give him an unlimited opportunity, Nagan and Mikhan in a new role to help !!!! wassat

      I would suggest putting you at the plant. Of course, Alexander Romanov lives nearby, but it seems to me that "liberoids" have settled there and judging by your nickname, you know exactly how to deal with them smile .
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 4 July 2016 12: 46
        0
        Alexander Romanov has a Marshall star, and the enemy of the libroeaters is only a lieutenant general or approximately adjutant general (as before). In my opinion liberated = rogue. At least modern reality is as follows. And if it’s different for you, then congratulations. But honestly I doubt it
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 4 July 2016 13: 19
          0
          Quote: Monarchist
          Alexander Romanov has a Marshall star, and the enemy of the libroeaters is only a lieutenant general or approximately adjutant general (as before). In my opinion liberated = rogue. At least modern reality is as follows. And if it’s different for you, then congratulations. But honestly I doubt it

          Ranks are not the issue. smile will quickly clean the "Augean stables" good .
  6. Observer2014
    Observer2014 4 July 2016 11: 28
    +6
    The Ministry of Defense intends to correct the situation at the Amur plant

    Ships cannot be built after the 90s and the beginning of the 2000s. Let the factory work out all the logistics. In the Far East, Russia should have shipbuilding. These are jobs. This is the economy of the region. You can’t build all the ships in St. Petersburg. And you won’t get any repairs.
  7. Flinky
    Flinky 4 July 2016 11: 30
    +12
    The defense industry must be nationalized - all without exception. This is the only option. Shipbuilders depend on thousands of subcontractors, and if some rivet factory stupidly does not ship rivets, because its owner has rolled out an unbearable price - we will wait a very long time for finished ships.
    1. alexanderrzn
      alexanderrzn 4 July 2016 11: 54
      -3
      the price of the rivet in the store is 5 rubles, the price of the same rivet in the state plant is 500 rubles. it is necessary not to nationalize the military industrial complex, but to attract specialists. and there are now sitting in the leadership of the grandfathers who in the 90s drank these factories on metal and sold them for offices, and now they are also admitted to government orders. they have been stealing for the past 25 years, but you want rivets from them ....
      1. Pavel1
        Pavel1 4 July 2016 11: 57
        +2
        Quote: alexanderrzn
        the price of the rivet in the store is 5 rubles, the price of the same rivet in the state plant is 500 rubles.


        how do you know come on evidence ...
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 4 July 2016 12: 36
        0
        Quote: alexanderrzn
        the price of the rivet in the store is 5 rubles, the price of the same rivet in the state plant is 500 rubles.


        Where did you get these prices? YES yet

        Quote: alexanderrzn
        there are now sitting in the leadership of the grandfathers who these plants in the 90s drank metal and sold for offices, and now they are also allowed to state orders. they have been stealing for the past 25 years, but you want rivets from them ....
    2. Whatabout
      Whatabout 4 July 2016 11: 57
      0
      Let it be known to you that prices for goods with military acceptance are necessarily consistent with the military.
      1. alexanderrzn
        alexanderrzn 4 July 2016 13: 46
        0
        Of course, everyone wants their share of the budget, and everyone needs a rollback of five miles, so you need to agree with everyone on who to put in how much money for the chatter in the price ...
  8. navy33
    navy33 4 July 2016 11: 43
    +4
    God help the men. Silently, we are going to the ascent. Fleet Ships are needed.
  9. Berkut24
    Berkut24 4 July 2016 11: 52
    +2
    I initially had the impression that the Amur plant was pulled to the GOZ only so that at least some industry would remain in the Far East and people would not scatter from the region at such a pace. And not at all in order to build ships closer to the Pacific Fleet. Accordingly, the pace is such.
    On the other hand, in Severodvinsk they are digging in with the construction of nuclear submarines, because the slipways for them are chronically lacking. But the order to the Amur plant, which ate this dog in the past, is not given an order for nuclear submarines. Wonderful things ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 4 July 2016 12: 26
      +5
      Yes, you can still aircraft carrier, or it is better to immediately order the imperial space battleship there.

      What submarine ??? And by the way, in the literal sense what ??? 885M Sevmash barely pulls, with their experience, there is an incredible complexity! What are you about???

      Amur’s problem is simple, since the 90’s they have achieved a high-ready backlog - that is, they finished off the same Mogocha at 94, then Kuzbass and Samara at 92 and 95. However, this is not just building a new boat, even a mastered project, but just finishing (Kuzbass in the USSR was built even without inertia, and Mogoch and Samara are more inertia from the groundwork).

      That's all.

      Then there was Nerpa.

      Plus ship repair, and then for the most part on departure.

      Over 16 years, only 12 vessels were laid down, this is a small port hawker Hoper - which is now unfinished sold as metal, various furnishings and eco-vessels. The largest chemical carrier at 18,5 tons - 2 buildings scored (3 dismantled on a slipway) - also dead, put up for sale as scrap metal. Actually, the Amur plant was mainly engaged in the production of boxes, or in the long term (maybe they will find a customer), or the customer, seeing an over-expenditure of money and refused a term of + 200%.

      And here, Corvette fell into the factory, while they gave little money and gave a little bit. As a result, about 5 years of work went on paper, but to collect the case. Then, they gave the money without control - they stretched it out (not the fact that they could afford it, completed other orders, bought something, paid s / n with debts, etc.). Then the leadership was changed, they gave money for completion and another 4,5 billion through the USC (for equipment and closing problems). Only then did something stir. The second corvette has already briskly gone. But in general, there are also allied subcontractors - for example, a significant part of the equipment and superstructure are transported to the NE along the river (because it does not fit on the railway). There is no need to take the river right there, you need to take a ship and stomp around the ball. This is money and time (from 3 ships, like an add-on will themselves be doing it).

      According to the mind, it was necessary to load them simpler than, for example, all kinds of Grachats, Rubies, and RTOs with calibers. Under this, recruit people, train them, purchase equipment and generally revitalize the entire cycle. Orders are easier, faster cycle, and jambs easier to edit / not so critical. They immediately gave an extremely complex order, a completely new project for the Far East (that is, you need to master it from scratch, rebuild the map of allies and logistics, which was assembled for St. Petersburg), to a virtually dead shipyard.
      1. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 4 July 2016 12: 47
        -1
        How do you know everything? You know and understand everything: in shipbuilding, and in aviation, and even the state of affairs in Syria to the smallest detail ???
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 4 July 2016 13: 13
          +7
          In aviation, not really. In shipbuilding, more or less, but I follow Syria, like Iraq, it’s not difficult.

          As for the NEA - well, look, it's just that:
          2 Volga ships, 8k tons of river-sea - completed and operational.

          2 container ships Amur and Usuri of 8 kt each were completed, then they were taken to China for modernization, where another section was welded, lifting up to 11 kt.

          2 self-propelled barges of 30 tons each.

          Port tugboat Vagis.

          Ecological boat - 70 tons.

          Norwegian transport and towing supply for the oil industry - 3 tons.

          This is all that has been completed since 95. The last commissioned order of Ovchinnikov (2009) is an environmental boat. The penultimate Norwegian oilman (2008). Usuri's last major ship is 2002.

          After:
          Chemical carriers 18500 - 3 pieces were made for a potential customer, the boxes were kicked out by 2 (3 dismantled), the customer left. Now they are put up for sale with pick-up, even you can buy them.

          Oilers for Gazflot - Ivan Sidorenko, was not put into operation in 2013, Ostap Sheremet - was not put into operation in 2014 (and this is the Shipyard, and not the subcontractors, since there is a spent overboard).

          Failure tugger Khoper - which the customer refused, also with self-delivery for sale.

          As for money, they pulled out 14 billion in 3 years, from which there was even news (but then it turned out that they didn’t steal the money as a whole, but simply misused it to complete orders).
          http://amurmedia.ru/news/economics/04.04.2014/347941/bivshee-rukovodstvo-komsomo
          lskogo-asz-obvinili-v-rastrate-14-mlrd-rubley.html

          Or what specifically interests?

          If that, the minuses / pluses are not mine, I do not do this.
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  10. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 4 July 2016 11: 57
    0
    Quote: CON
    Well, not really all these highly placed uncles, the president’s kick is obligatory, for success at least in something ...


    Strong Russian maybe with us. Or maybe it will blow and no one will notice?
  11. Wiruz
    Wiruz 4 July 2016 11: 58
    0
    Well, firstly, the Amur Shipbuilding Plant is far from the only enterprise that thwarted the implementation of state defense. order.
    And secondly, let's not forget that during the time of the Union, surface ships practically did not build at this plant - only submarines. And after the collapse of the USSR, the plant stood idle for a long time without orders, unlike many other Baltic plants.
    1. Banishing liberoids
      Banishing liberoids 4 July 2016 12: 43
      +1
      Wiruz, I understand that Kazakhstan occupied ukroin, otherwise why do you have their flag ?????
  12. BOB044
    BOB044 4 July 2016 12: 08
    0
    Defense order is the country's security. We must stop such a mess. And prosecute the guilty regardless of the position and rank. am
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 July 2016 12: 18
    +1
    The fish rots from the head. Just what are these effective managers counting on? What will Shoigu FORGET and not ask for time? And on the bunks, these stolen millions WILL NOT BE REQUIRED, in the prison buffet there is a limited set of products.
  14. ZAV69
    ZAV69 4 July 2016 12: 59
    0
    Yes, actually the plant can be brought into God's form, only unmeasured money is needed. If the equipment can be bought, then with the staff is not so simple. It is necessary to attract specialists to the team, to attract them they need to pay, to ensure career growth, so as not to leave, you need to provide housing, the opportunity to relax, normal infrastructure. The problem is that they manage efficient process managers. Everything is dear to them ..... Only for themselves they don’t feel sorry for the money. Therefore, the plant in the ass. In general, Nuna state will for all this, this is the main condition. If you observe it, there is everything else, and effective managers will go to the forest
  15. Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 July 2016 13: 27
    0
    There is a shake-up of the country, in a good sense of the word.
    They look where the rot has lurked and scrub it.
    I think that problems will be solved with the plant as well.
    If there the deer laid on his pocket the funds laid for development,
    then he will soon be very sad.
  16. atamankko
    atamankko 4 July 2016 13: 40
    0
    If the Ministry of Defense has taken control of this issue, there will be sense, believe me.
    1. Gvozd
      Gvozd 4 July 2016 14: 29
      0
      With the bookmark of the first corvette, 10 years have passed. MO anniversary was waiting in order to take control? During this time, it was possible to finish the entire series. I will remind them that they want to build only 6 pieces
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 4 July 2016 14: 50
        +1
        in the USA for such a period, 100 tons of fools are built and transferred to the fleet
  17. Sergey333
    Sergey333 4 July 2016 14: 05
    +1
    I wonder how they are going to do it? In my opinion, there is only one way - to shoot all "effective managers" who are working on this enterprise in front of the checkpoint.
  18. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 4 July 2016 17: 27
    -2
    Pizdryuk Tsuzamen.
    If Putin wants to be supported, let him want