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“There was a complete theft. The sailors slept on bare mattresses "

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“There was a complete theft. The sailors slept on bare mattresses "Whoever becomes the new commander of the Baltic fleet, he will have to deal with the consequences of an unprecedented scandal for the Russian Armed Forces. On Thursday, military experts continued to discuss the shameful removal of the leadership of the fleet. There is also new evidence about what exactly could have served as the reason for such decisions.

Named Acting Commander of the Baltic Fleet. A senior source in the Russian military told RIA "News"That" temporarily perform the duties of the commander of the Baltic Fleet will be Vice-Admiral Alexander Nosatov. " Until recently, Nosatov led the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet and was recently appointed head of the Naval Academy. According to sources, the final name of the new chief of the Baltic Fleet will be announced on Thursday.

On Wednesday, Russian Defense Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu dismissed Viktor Kravchuk, commander of the Baltic Fleet, and Baltic Chief Fleet Chief of Staff Sergei Popov from his duties for omissions in combat training and distorting the state of affairs. About this in detail wrote the newspaper VIEW.
Note that Vice Admiral Alexander Nosatov was transferred to the post of Chief of the Naval Academy from the post of Chief of Staff of the Black Sea Fleet. Nosatov began his military career in the Pacific Fleet, and from 2009 to 2012 he served in the Baltic Fleet, in particular, as commander of the naval base in Baltiisk. In 2012, Nosatov transferred to service in the Black Sea Fleet.

The purge of the defense minister in the Baltic Fleet immediately exposed the problems of the Russian Navy.

Another Chernomorets in the Baltic

Earlier on Thursday, a number of media outlets called the name of another high-ranking officer, who was expected to be appointed to the post of commander of the Baltic Fleet.

The Petersburg edition of Fontanka reported that Vice-Admiral Sergei Yeliseyev, the deputy commander for combat training, was already "temporarily in command of the Baltic Fleet". Previously, Yeliseyev served in the Ukrainian Navy in the same rank; during 14 years he was deputy commander of the Navy. After the events in the Crimea, he moved to the service in the Russian Navy (as well as the former commander of the Navy, rear admiral Denis Berezovsky and the former head of staff of the Ukrainian fleet, rear admiral Dmitry Shakuro). If Yeliseyev still takes the post of commander of the Baltic Fleet, this will be the first time that a former Ukrainian admiral will take up this post.

It should be noted that in Ukraine Sergey Eliseev was charged with “desertion, high treason, encroachment on the territorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine, promoting the activities of a terrorist organization, and waging an aggressive war”.

The hypothetical designation of the former “Ukrainian” Yeliseyev (which made one suspect that the reserve personnel is too small in the personnel reserve) is still a speculation. But note that the position of commander is without the prefix “and. O. "- while vacant.

“The Minister of Defense was misinformed”

Against the background of the scandalous resignations on the Baltic Fleet, the opinion of the captain of the 1 rank, the chairman of the All-Russian Fleet Support Movement Mikhail Nenashev, who stood up for the dismissed Kravchuk, looks interesting.

In his commentary to the BFM radio station, Nenashev emphasizes that “the events in the Baltic Fleet, related to personnel shocks, cannot be called another way, they are surprised and amazed, because, apparently, the Minister of Defense was misinformed, once the commander was set up, who was quite successful He led the Baltic Fleet, as allowed such failures, for which with such disgrace trying to dismiss. Objectively, the Baltic fleet under the command of Kravchuk Viktor Petrovich, on the contrary, was one of the most successful, stated Nenashev. “The exercises in the Baltic Sea with the involvement of all the forces of the Baltic Fleet have increased in quantitative and qualitative indicators by several times. And after that talk about some system failures? This can be explained only by some interpersonal manifestations, ”the expert is sure.

“But even more surprising is the passivity of the new commander-in-chief of the Navy, it is his duty to stand guard over the interests of the cause and defend people who serve adequately because Kravchuk Viktor Petrovich received an award from the Minister of Defense in February just for success in combat training,” captain of the 1 rank.

"There was a complete theft"

TASS military observer, retired colonel Viktor Litovkin is confident that the sharpness of personnel decisions corresponds to the shortcomings that were discovered following the results of the check on the Baltic Fleet. Among the glaring flaws, for example, the lack of sheets: in some parts of the sailors slept on bare mattresses. And in some canteens they did not report food to the soldiers rations, the portions were trimmed.

“There was a complete theft. The commanders did not pay attention to this. And someone, perhaps, organized this theft, when they reduced the standard of allowances to people. Now the prosecutor's office is engaged in it. Nevertheless, the verification committee revealed such facts. And, of course, the commander is responsible for all this, and not only the commander, but also the commanders of units, divisions, chiefs of staff, deputies in the rear, ”LYZEVKIN told the newspaper VZGLYAD.

The expert stressed that Moscow received reports on problems in the Baltic Fleet and poor execution of orders of the Minister of Defense. “When people who sleep on bare mattresses, see that their commander speaks out and says that everything is in order, what confidence can there be in the command of the fleet? This lie has grown, but it has its limits, ”he explained.

In addition, there were problems in creating the 11 Army Corps, for which military camps, barracks, and military equipment parks were to be built, but "nothing was done." “Where the money went is unknown. Therefore, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense was forced to take drastic measures, ”Litovkin believes. As for the situation in other fleets, Litovkin does not exclude that there may be some violations there. But the whipping that occurred "will be indicative."

"They will change all involved."

In turn, the chief editor of the magazine Arsenal of the Fatherland, a member of the expert council of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation, reserve colonel Viktor Murakhovsky is sure that "the whole thing is in the situation that has developed there."

“It did not instantly take shape, but gradually deteriorated. Such signals came to the leadership of the Ministry of Defense. As a result, this resulted in verification of the Baltic Fleet and other connections of the Kaliningrad special region. And the relevant report of the chairman of the commission at the Ministry of Defense collegium and the results of the discussion of this report led to such conclusions as were made by the minister. In fact, the case is “outstanding”, unprecedented, for these conclusions and decisions to be voiced, especially with such destructive formulations addressed to the leadership of the Baltic Fleet, ”Murakhovsky told the newspaper VZGLYAD.

As for the figure of the new commander in chief, who must be appointed on Friday morning, Viktor Litovkin said that he was aware that it would be "definitely not Mr. Eliseev and none of the (former) Ukrainian generals."

“This will be a man from another fleet. At the Baltic Fleet will change all involved. They will all be sent down to the Northern and Pacific Fleets, to other places. As I know, only one commander will be dismissed, and all others will be sent down to other posts, ”said Litovkin, adding that the commander of one of the Northern Fleet submarines will be appointed head of the Baltic Fleet.
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  1. avvg
    avvg 3 July 2016 12: 53
    +16
    Yes, it is very sad, flaws, glaring shortcomings in the leadership of the fleet were "above the roof".
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 3 July 2016 13: 22
      .
      Quote: avvg
      Yes, it is very sad, flaws, glaring shortcomings in the leadership of the fleet were "above the roof".

      Until all parties have been heard, I think it’s premature to draw any conclusions. The mention of mattresses without sheets especially touched in this article is what a touching concern for sailors smile . Dismissing the commander-in-chief of the Baltic Fleet because of the sheets, this "brilliant" formulation would not have been thought of in the same "pampered" Europe or the States.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 3 July 2016 13: 43
        +86
        Quote: razmik72
        .Dismiss the Baltic Fleet Commander due to sheets
        Kravchuk and others like him were fired not "because of the sheets", but for "serious omissions in combat training, as well as the distortion in reports of the real state of affairs" (official wording). The reason for the unscheduled check of the Baltic Fleet (the combat readiness of which was highly appreciated by the Supreme Commander a year ago) and subsequent organizational conclusions was the accident of the B-265 Krasnodar diesel-electric submarine on April 20 this year. Our submarine then collided with a warship of the Polish Navy and received serious damage (at the moment it is being repaired in Kronstadt and, naturally, the terms of its transfer to the Black Sea Fleet have shifted indefinitely), and the command of the Baltic Fleet tried in every possible way to hide this incident. The audit revealed not only the facts of lies, but also a disastrous situation in the construction and reconstruction of naval bases and military camps, ineffective spending of allocated funds, etc. So these comrades got off easy.
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 3 July 2016 13: 52
          .
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Quote: razmik72
          .Dismiss the Baltic Fleet Commander due to sheets
          Kravchuk and others like him were fired not "because of the sheets," but for serious omissions in combat training. The reason for the unscheduled check and subsequent conclusions of the BF (whose combat readiness was highly appreciated by the Supreme Commander a year ago) was the accident of the B-265 Krasnodar diesel-electric submarine on April 20 this year. Our submarine then collided with a warship of the Polish Navy and received serious damage (at the moment it is being repaired in Kronstadt), and the command of the Baltic Fleet tried in every way to hide this incident.

          You have "insider" information, dear Andrey, I have vague suspicions that you wrote this article.
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 3 July 2016 14: 09
            +56
            Quote: razmik72
            You have "insider" information, dear Andrey
            Information from open sources - seek and find. It’s just that not everything falls into the central media.
            Quote: razmik72
            I have vague suspicions that you wrote this article.
            The authorship is also indicated there, I have nothing to do with the writing of this material. But the indicative flogging of the BF command (more than 50 naval ranks were punished) should show the seriousness of the intentions of the Supreme and Minister of Defense in eradicating such manifestations of fraud and negligence towards the service of commanders of all levels. The time is not right now to do something like that. Comfortable sitting in garrisons and bases, with the solution of personal "business" problems at the expense of the state is over. Those who still do not understand this - to the exit.
            Although, in the not so distant past, they leaned against such a wall.
            1. Alf
              Alf 3 July 2016 15: 17
              +21
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Although, in the not so distant past, they leaned against such a wall.

              Officer court of honor and a pistol with one cartridge.
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 3 July 2016 16: 59
                +36
                Quote: Alf
                Officer court of honor and a pistol with one cartridge.

                This worked in the old days, when they valued honor. And the current honor is ... like a girl.
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 3 July 2016 22: 44
                  +4
                  Quote: Nagan
                  Quote: Alf
                  Officer court of honor and a pistol with one cartridge.

                  This worked in the old days, when they valued honor. And the current honor is ... like a girl.

                  ... don't generalize ... hi ... AND ABOUT. Commander of the BF, this is the Commander of the BM base in Baltiysk ... there is an interesting nuance ... this "respected and informed" the publication as "Fontanka" kept silent about this ... it also previously spread the "canard" from 100500 admirals and vice admirals removed from their posts and dismissed from the DKBF ... below in the comments you can read this ... awareness and respect "electronic edition Fontanka", this is equal to Lenta.ru ... only in profile ... how many of them can be lost from an account, on the expanses of Runet, more important ... they are increasingly beginning to be cited as a "source of information on VO" ... that's where the gist ... well, but the title of this article, for which he put a minus ... pulls on a pie from Aunt Nuland ... soldier
              2. berezin1987
                berezin1987 3 July 2016 17: 24
                +26
                Will not help. The ass is more expensive than honor, and Vasilieva’s affair is a bit encouraging for grabbers of all levels.
                1. Dryuya2
                  Dryuya2 3 July 2016 19: 25
                  +6
                  I think it is not possible to punish (jail) all the grabbers and embezzlers, but I think the demonstrative "flogging" will now take place at all levels and in all departments.
                  1. dorogvalera
                    dorogvalera 6 July 2016 10: 55
                    0
                    This is bad, we have no confidence "I think it is not possible" "demonstrative" flogging "I think" we all think, maybe someone will finally punish grabbers, thieves. I want to see it on the news, they caught the admiral, the general, the Vasilyevs for embezzlement, the guilt was proven, for a period of 10 years without the right of amnesty. not guilty? let go with compensation. And then they steal billions for a couple of years.
            2. Alekseev
              Alekseev 3 July 2016 15: 42
              +18
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              should show the seriousness of the intentions of the Supreme and the Minister of Defense in eradicating such manifestations of fraud and neglect of the service of commanders of all levels

              And it pleases.
              Towards the end of the Soviet era, and at other times, it was precisely fraud, the appointment of various kinds of bad careerists to important posts that was one of the main reasons for the collapse of the army.
              Of course, if a senior boss appoints an incompetent "friend" to a position, then he knows, a rogue, that the demand for the state of affairs is "fake".
              May God grant the minister and commander-in-chief to make a real demand in the RF Armed Forces. And let the "innocent" not shed tears crying. As a rule, the fault of the authorities - or stupid actions, or criminal inaction is present.
              1. bk316
                bk316 4 July 2016 11: 48
                +7
                Quote: Alekseev
                As a rule, the fault of the authorities - or stupid actions, or criminal inaction is present.

                Not as a "rule" but "always".
                In the Army they always stole under Peter and Nicholas and the USSR and I am sure that under Stalin. And when I served, then STEALED STEALED. And always for theft they created a mess - very convenient. But when the mess grows so that the fighting efficiency decreases - the commander answers - ALWAYS. It’s his problem how to achieve so that combat efficiency does not decrease. So they did everything right.
            3. Monarchist
              Monarchist 3 July 2016 15: 44
              +6
              Before Peter the Great, and brought for the embezzlers was a batog and those wishing to "get acquainted" with him was minuscule. Later, a tower was introduced for such "comrades" and again acted soberingly.
              1. SlavaP
                SlavaP 3 July 2016 19: 56
                +2
                Yeah. Georgy Konstantinovich would do the same. And did it! My grandfather in VO somehow crossed with Zhukov’s headquarters because he just ordered the thieves to be given to some stealing commissary. The press, of course, will not say.
              2. EvilLion
                EvilLion 4 July 2016 08: 30
                +1
                You are simply touched, in the time of Peter, and especially before him, the extent of corruption was fantastic by today's standards, and not only in Russia, corruption is a natural state of feudalism, which was only now becoming obsolete.
            4. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 3 July 2016 17: 36
              +8
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Authorship is also indicated there,

              As for authorship, everything that was said behind closed doors will remain behind them. Now everyone can write why the authorities were dismissed. Fantasy how much you fit. As for the boat, the info was in the press, I read it. And you think Shoigu didn't know?
              I’ll tell you so, when I touched the vulture reports myself, I realized that I did not know anything! And believe me, neither you nor the authors know anything and cannot know by definition !!! The army and navy are the most closed institutions where they know how to keep secrets.
            5. dauria
              dauria 3 July 2016 17: 52
              +1
              But indicative flogging ..... should show the seriousness of the intentions of the Supreme and Minister of Defense



              This is a "demonstration performance" before the elections for United Russia. "Spanking" in the army happened in the USSR, they were everyday occurrence and were not exhibited "for display".
              Bullshit, in a word. And they deserve it, or not - it’s not the point here. Moreover, to publish disciplinary punishment in the press nonsense for the military. Some were not fired, but simply demoted. However, I don’t think Shoigu is military, as you want.
            6. BVTKKU86
              BVTKKU86 3 July 2016 21: 41
              +3
              Yes! And Serdyukov is an example of this (adherence).
            7. oblako
              oblako 4 July 2016 05: 12
              0
              By and large, the former attitude towards maintaining the combat readiness of the Fleet and the Armed Forces must of course be changed quickly. It is one thing when parity and war is unlikely, and quite another when the situation is truly explosive ... There are no other ways to change the situation, although this method has its own costs ...
            8. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 4 July 2016 06: 33
              +6
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Quote: razmik72
              You have "insider" information, dear Andrey
              Information from open sources - seek and find. It’s just that not everything falls into the central media.

              Nothing razmik72 will not search. He has already stated here at VO that all this is "Kremlin propaganda". They are there, on the outskirts of the former USSR, listen to CNN and believe only in him. And everything that diverges from the American point of view is insider information and propaganda.

              And they are especially pleased to speculate about how bad everything is with us and how good it is in "civilized" countries. So let them first think about why there are more Armenians in Russia than in Armenia - why are they running to such a bad country? They jump to Ukraine ...
          2. Monarchist
            Monarchist 3 July 2016 15: 11
            +1
            Razmik, you did not like the article? On this nitpicking to the authors.
          3. vov4ik_zver
            vov4ik_zver 30 September 2016 15: 40
            +1
            Quote: razmik72
            praised the Supreme

            -Who? Court? Call a spade a spade.
        2. NDR-791
          NDR-791 3 July 2016 14: 37
          +4
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Kravchuk and others like him were fired not "because of the sheets", but for "serious omissions in combat training, as well as the distortion in reports of the real state of affairs" (the official wording).

          And right from the article:
          Kravchuk Viktor Petrovich in February received an award from the Minister of Defense just for success in combat training "
          And by the way, it’s very interesting why ...
          even more surprising is the passivity of the new commander-in-chief of the Navy, it is his duty to stand guard over the interests of the cause and defend people who serve with dignity.
          If they serve with dignity, then they protect - I know for myself.
          We will not find tails and ends. If honestly, then who knows and say - kicked out for that and for that !!! Or because not so ...
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 3 July 2016 14: 57
            +13
            Quote: NDR-791
            And right from the article:
            Kravchuk Viktor Petrovich in February received an award from the Minister of Defense just for success in combat training "
            And here is the answer: "for distorting the real state of affairs in the reports." In short, to put it mildly, he was deceiving the higher authorities. Moreover, he managed to receive awards for his dexterity.
            Quote: NDR-791
            And by the way, it’s very interesting why ...
            even more surprising is the passivity of the new commander-in-chief of the Navy; it is his duty to stand guard over the interests of the cause and defend people who serve worthily.
            Let me remind you that Admiral Korolev was appointed Commander-in-Chief of the Navy in April of this year, General Colonel Kartapolov (commander of the ZVO, to which the BF is structurally subordinate) took office at the end of the past. It is possible that it was from their submission that an unscheduled check was carried out and therefore they did not begin to cover their so-so-subordinate subordinate.
            Quote: weksha50
            However, such a drastic, radical solution to the question is embarrassing: the removal of both the commander and the chief of staff at once is already an undermining of combat readiness by itself, as far as staff officers should understand ... Well, there are still up to a bunch (up to 50) admirals and caperangs in addition ...
            A truly unprecedented solution. I do not think that the top military leadership of the Russian Federation does not understand this. Apparently, half measures could not be dispensed with. That's exactly what terrifies.
            1. 97110
              97110 3 July 2016 17: 19
              +5
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Apparently, half measures could not be dispensed with. That's exactly what terrifies.

              That is, the amnesty of the Minister of Defense for negligence does not horrify you? By "terrifying" there is a feeling of deep moral satisfaction. And Putin has no other choice. To compete with the impudent Saxons and have thieves in such positions in the army ... The word "Thief" once had the meaning of a person who ruined the sovereign's business. As well as admirals and caperangs who were not caught stealing sheets.
          2. midshipman
            midshipman 3 July 2016 15: 45
            +41
            Dear Artyom, Gorbachev received the highest award of our country from the hands of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, the "Center" was opened for the drunkard of All Russia, a man named "Taburetkin" was also awarded, like other military leaders who destroyed our Armed Forces. Even the notorious Vasilyeva has a state award.
            It's a shame, I started my service as a lieutenant in the mine-log "Ural" of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet in 1957. Then there was participation in a number of hot spots, but I saw the commanders risking their lives, insuring the young. These are the aircraft that should be in the Russian Federation. I have the honor.
            1. vlad_vlad
              vlad_vlad 3 July 2016 20: 41
              +3
              it's just that you don’t know everything. But the authorities know everything - it is necessary to reward, not necessary - they will imprison. and even more often - they will reward, then they will imprison, then they will reward, then they will imprison ... and all of a sudden.

              and, in general, everything in this life was sudden — he lived in the Navy, he was given letters and awards, and none of his x,000 subordinates even imagined that sleeping without sheets was bad. And the head fleet’s car was probably not Lada, and the children were probably businessmen. And then, all of a sudden, as the tornado passed - and something turns out to be wrong here, some kind of strange honey.
              I say the same - everything in this life is sudden: and mercy from the king and prison from the king.
            2. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 23 July 2016 01: 38
              +2
              Quote: midshipman
              Gorbachev received the highest award of our country from the hands of the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, the "Center" was opened for the drunkard of all Russia, a man named "stooltkin" was also awarded, like other military commanders who destroyed our Armed Forces. Even the notorious Vasilyeva has a state award.
              It's a shame

              Not just a shame - sick .....

              I still went to pioneers in 57, but it was enough to shoot at me too - 20 with extra calendar and 30 with extra length of service. And what began to happen to the army after 88 was even to recall reluctance. I am ashamed. Now at least something is returning to its place. To live, see, be happy .....
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        3. weksha50
          weksha50 3 July 2016 14: 42
          +13
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          So these comrades still got off easily.



          I completely agree with you ...

          However, such a drastic, radical solution to the question is embarrassing: the removal of both the commander and the chief of staff at once is already an undermining of combat readiness by itself, as far as staff officers should understand ... Well, there are still up to a bunch (up to 50) admirals and caperangs in addition ...

          The question immediately arises: where were the eyes and ears of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy ??? This is - not in the North, and even more so - not in the Pacific Fleet (far, far), but near by ...

          Immediately here, Rust came up in my memory, and much more ... So, not everything is so alright with combat readiness ... The army and navy are not enough to rearm, it is necessary to train, train, and not according to ostentatious, but for real ... We already They brought the war to the nose, put it on the threshold of the house ...
        4. Serg koma
          Serg koma 3 July 2016 16: 18
          +5
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          So these comrades still got off easily.

          Something immediately recalled the "furniture maker" ... He was also dismissed from his post, now the poor fellow is toiling in the state corporation. By the way, what do you hear about Vasilyeva?
        5. Stas57
          Stas57 3 July 2016 18: 25
          0
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Kravchuk and others like him were fired not "because of the sheets", but for "serious omissions in combat training, as well as the distortion in reports of the real state of affairs" (official wording). The reason for the unscheduled check of the Baltic Fleet (the combat readiness of which was highly appreciated by the Supreme Commander a year ago) and subsequent organizational conclusions was the accident of the B-265 Krasnodar diesel-electric submarine on April 20 this year. Our submarine then collided with a warship of the Polish Navy and received serious damage (at the moment it is being repaired in Kronstadt and, naturally, the terms of its transfer to the Black Sea Fleet have shifted indefinitely), and the command of the Baltic Fleet tried in every possible way to hide this incident. The audit revealed not only the facts of lies, but also a disastrous situation in the construction and reconstruction of naval bases and military camps, ineffective spending of allocated funds, etc. So these comrades got off easy.
          The boat is the root cause of the investigation, yes. The reasons for dismissal themselves are complex.
          What Kravchuk will be removed they said back at the last parade, the whole Baltiysk said, he arrived, maybe HE will correct it, but He flew away and everyone sighed sadly, it turns out that no, not everything is so simple, removed, because he openly got many, even the parade could not be held normally, despite the almost daily trainings, and turnips, since what about the crap sheets is some kind of, yes.
          and as a bonus, constant violations in the entrusted parts, breakdowns in repairs, every crime - amber was extracted in high frequency with the help of technology, then fuel and lubricants were missing, embezzlement, then military families live in the house of the times of Kant ... but what kind of trigger we are unlikely to soon we’ll find out, and it’s silly to broadcast all the city rumors.
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 3 July 2016 13: 44
        +5
        Quote: razmik72
        Quote: avvg
        Yes, it is very sad, flaws, glaring shortcomings in the leadership of the fleet were "above the roof".

        Until all parties have been heard, I think it’s premature to draw any conclusions. The mention of mattresses without sheets especially touched in this article is what a touching concern for sailors smile . Dismissing the commander-in-chief of the Baltic Fleet because of the sheets, this "brilliant" formulation would not have been thought of in the same "pampered" Europe or the States.

        “Until all sides have been heard, I think,” but I think this is the army and no one should be interested in your opinion. The commission worked for a month and no one will take everything out to the public.
        "because of the sheets" - to put you on the mattresses for a year. But you can't have a white ticket, eh humanism.
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 3 July 2016 13: 47
          -7
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Quote: razmik72
          Quote: avvg
          Yes, it is very sad, flaws, glaring shortcomings in the leadership of the fleet were "above the roof".

          Until all parties have been heard, I think it’s premature to draw any conclusions. The mention of mattresses without sheets especially touched in this article is what a touching concern for sailors smile . Dismissing the commander-in-chief of the Baltic Fleet because of the sheets, this "brilliant" formulation would not have been thought of in the same "pampered" Europe or the States.

          “Until all sides have been heard, I think,” but I think this is the army and no one should be interested in your opinion. The commission worked for a month and no one will take everything out to the public.
          "because of the sheets" - to put you on the mattresses for a year. But you can't have a white ticket, eh humanism.

          I have slept more than once on bare earth; in war, sheets are not always at hand. hi .
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 3 July 2016 15: 43
            +14
            Quote: razmik72
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            Quote: razmik72
            Quote: avvg
            Yes, it is very sad, flaws, glaring shortcomings in the leadership of the fleet were "above the roof".

            Until all parties have been heard, I think it’s premature to draw any conclusions. The mention of mattresses without sheets especially touched in this article is what a touching concern for sailors smile . Dismissing the commander-in-chief of the Baltic Fleet because of the sheets, this "brilliant" formulation would not have been thought of in the same "pampered" Europe or the States.

            “Until all sides have been heard, I think,” but I think this is the army and no one should be interested in your opinion. The commission worked for a month and no one will take everything out to the public.
            "because of the sheets" - to put you on the mattresses for a year. But you can't have a white ticket, eh humanism.

            I have slept more than once on bare earth; in war, sheets are not always at hand. hi .

            My young warrior, if you went on a mission and defend your principles or interests that God sent, this is one thing, you can eat ... and this is normal, but. When there is no extreme, when everything according to the schedule should be, because it is PAID by the state (now they say by taxpayers) then your heroic grunts are at least not appropriate.
      3. aba
        aba 3 July 2016 14: 10
        +9
        To dismiss the commander-in-chief of the Baltic Fleet because of the sheets, this "ingenious" wording would not have been thought of in the same "pampered" Europe or the States.

        I agree with you, but it may be even worse that the sheets are the tip of the iceberg.
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 3 July 2016 15: 47
          +2
          It may well be that we see only the tip of the iceberg
        2. 97110
          97110 3 July 2016 17: 28
          +1
          Quote: aba
          but it may be even worse

          Are you serious about "maybe"? This is how 50 admirals and caperangs unsuccessfully stole a sheet. And the case went public! Below, the monarchist correctly suspects that we are being shown a piece of the iceberg's surface.
      4. weksha50
        weksha50 3 July 2016 14: 46
        +3
        Quote: razmik72
        Dismiss the Baltic Fleet Commander because of the sheet-



        Yes, not because of any sheets ... It's just that this "bashfulness" comes from Soviet times - when someone from the "big" is removed and put in prison, the reasons are called the most "uncomplicated" ...
        Better to blame for the theft of sailor overcoats laughing than undermining combat readiness ...
      5. Monarchist
        Monarchist 3 July 2016 15: 38
        +6
        Razmik, Do you exclude theft and fraud among admirals? Then you have idealistic views.
        1. 97110
          97110 3 July 2016 17: 30
          0
          Quote: Monarchist
          Razmik, Do you exclude theft and fraud among admirals? Then you have idealistic views.

          They have no fleet. Therefore, the ideas are idealistic.
      6. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 July 2016 17: 31
        +4
        Quote: razmik72
        Particularly touched in this article is the mention of mattresses without sheets, but what a touching concern for sailors

        Most likely the people who wrote the article do not know any of the reasons for the dismissal. Even in the 90s, sailors were always provided with linen! And now even more so. And if it was now, at a time when every sailor has a phone, everyone would see it on YouTube. In short, the authors' imagination and nothing more.
      7. Kathernik
        Kathernik 3 July 2016 19: 03
        +2
        - I think that for sheets in the first place and you need to fire!
      8. magician
        magician 3 July 2016 22: 36
        0
        completely agree, for sheets and mattresses are not fired. from me plus. I would like more details, not a sweeping accusation of a person. Excuse me, it’s not a general’s business to build a soldier on a parade ground.
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      10. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 4 July 2016 06: 26
        +3
        Quote: razmik72
        Dismiss the Commander-in-Chief of the Baltic Fleet because of the sheets - until this "brilliant" wording would not have thought of in the same "pampered" Europe or the States

        Of course you wouldn’t have thought of it! How can they guess if British special forces at -8 degrees freeze bells with diapers and refuse to go out, and American soldiers in Iraq go on strike and refuse to fight when there are not enough three varieties of 11 cheese laid out in their dining room on the American layout !

        That is why our armies are different. And they don’t know how to fight like a Russian soldier. Knee-deep in mud, waist-deep in blood - only the RUSSIAN SOLDIER can fight and win. And they, accustomed to asphalt and grass in the dining room, can only harm on the sly and spud the outskirts of the former USSR with their rotten ideology. And after this hilling, these worthless fragments of a great country allow themselves to give us smart advice and talk about the Soviet occupation .... Once again, Armenia and Azerbaijan cut each other because of a worthless piece of mountains and without Russia spreading them in the corners can’t calm down? Think about your army ....

        And for stealing from the soldiers you need not to fire - hang on the parade ground ...
        1. potroshenko
          potroshenko 4 July 2016 11: 56
          -1
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          How can they guess if British special forces at -8 degrees freeze bells with diapers and refuse to go out, and American soldiers in Iraq go on strike and refuse to fight when there are not enough three varieties of 11 cheese laid out in their dining room on the American layout !
          That is why our armies are different. And they don’t know how to fight like a Russian soldier. Only knee-deep in mud, waist-deep in blood - only the RUSSIAN SOLDIER can fight and win.

          Interesting, you print it for the sake of popularity? Or is it really a blinded consciousness? You’re trying to portray the super race, but Europeans, Americans, Chinese, Israelis, etc. all just wretched, wimps and cowards according to yours. How old are you, dear?
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 5 July 2016 12: 01
          +2
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Of course you wouldn’t have thought of it! How can they think if the British special forces at -8 degrees freeze bells with diapers and refuse to go out, and American soldiers in Iraq organize a strike and refuse to fight when there are not enough three varieties of cheese in the dining room, laid out in their American layout !

          You know, such self-praise and neglect of the enemy at best end like this:

          They, too, shouted at all angles that the enemy was a bunch of undersized in glasses, armed with inferior copies of mediocre European and American models of military equipment and weapons. And then for almost 4 years they fought in the jungle, on the islands and at sea with these "undersized", having lost the Philippines with the entire garrison.

          And at worst - the destruction of the fleet, the loss of territories and zones of influence and the payment of indemnities. The Portsmouth Peace Treaty is an example of this. But also boasted kudy japs ​​vs our miraculous heroes, yes we left them one.
      11. complete zero
        complete zero 4 July 2016 10: 06
        0
        I completely agree ... "sheets and the Commander of the Fleet" ... that way, you can get to the bottom of the president (like "the post") ... so I will reduce your minus by one plus ... But in general, it's alarming, everything that the president does not do this is how it is sabotaged by the bureaucracy (what is in "civilian life" is also in the armed forces)
      12. Wasiliy1985
        Wasiliy1985 4 July 2016 10: 43
        +3
        The failure of the newest ships to enter combat service was followed by a check - the result: the command was punished, which is a rare example in the Russian army and navy.
        Usually (in the 90s) they dealt with it "in private" - the commander of an unreleased ship was "kicked out" from military service, God forbid, with a pension. Despite the fact that the aforementioned commander knocked out all the rapids in the headquarters for the sake of his ship's readiness for the exit and everywhere he was just not sent to "" ...
        What is wrong today ?!
        So there are certainly no "sheets" in business here ..
      13. Buffet
        Buffet 4 July 2016 10: 56
        0
        I support. Sheets are not an argument. In our part, this was happening and what is happening is just horror. And we were similarly cut down on rations, did not see normal food and slept sometimes without sheets. But no one was fired. And as spring went, everything went to the hospital because of bad water. The water went terrible. Our battalion commander seemed to want to solve the problem. Like agreed with the water. And what's the point if 2 boilers from 6 worked in the dining room?
      14. Ostwest
        Ostwest 5 July 2016 08: 00
        0
        About the sheets .. and the sailors are sleeping on bare mattresses .. this is for the girls .. Service omissions are manifested in the failure to comply with the statutory requirements, orders, combat missions and standards. Of course, theft. Omissions and shortcomings in the deployment of the army corps with the fault of the naval commander may end in a kick. Only it is not clear all the same. For that, in disgrace, which I just don’t remember, these bosses were removed. I do not want to think that by the malicious intent of envious people. Specificity is necessary, although it is sometimes not for the ears of jackets.
      15. ver_
        ver_ 5 July 2016 08: 36
        0
        ... bare mattresses is how? Or are these mattresses of a different meaning? Which one? My generation knows how to read between the lines, but in this case - a complete paragraph ..
        Judging by the definition, this is not the absence of a sheet, but a phenomenon of a different kind .. What? ...
      16. patriot-rf
        patriot-rf 5 July 2016 10: 32
        0
        I look dear only, and you can only spray with saliva. And since when is it interesting, should you listen to someone? If the subordinates pushed the sides, then the boss is to blame, because they didn’t control. And about = touching concern = ..... , in vain irony, if confirmed on this occasion, it will not seem a little
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 3 July 2016 13: 36
      +3
      If this case was pulled out into the light of day, then a showy whipping is necessary. In the navy, "good performance" does not work, you need "excellent" ones.
    4. sever.56
      sever.56 3 July 2016 13: 37
      +21
      Quote: avvg
      Yes, very sad, flaws


      Shortcomings? Forgive me, but what you are talking about is not "flaws", but malfeasance in office, bordering on undermining the country's defense capability.
      I already wrote, as soon as the news appeared about the dismissal of the leadership of the BF, that most likely this is due to theft. And as the article says, theft began at the very bottom and ended at the very top. It is scary when such rot affects structures that must ensure the security of the state.
      But I have another question: - WHERE WERE AND WHERE WERE THE WORKERS OF THE SPECIAL (FIRST) FLEET DEPARTMENT ???
      There is such an impression that they are also smeared in this matter.
      If the FSB was able to find Islamist extremists at a sawmill in the wilderness in the Vologda Oblast, then in the fleet, where there MUST BE constant control, such an outrage could happen only with a direct interest in concealing the crime of the "special officers" themselves.
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      2. 97110
        97110 3 July 2016 17: 39
        +1
        Quote: sever.56
        such an outrage could happen only with a direct interest in concealing the crime of the "special officers" themselves.

        I admit that you know better the specialties cuisine. In my experience, when reporting ugliness, such a variant of the actions of their leadership could occur: take note of the report at the right time.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 July 2016 18: 12
          +3
          Quote: 97110
          I admit that you know better the specialties cuisine.

          Tomorrow I’ll write an article about this whole kitchen. This article is for someone who knows nothing about how the fleet’s staff machine works.
          1. sergei.84
            sergei.84 4 July 2016 15: 41
            0
            Not an article - vinaigrette! The supply is probably not on the commander! With Krasnodar - on board, in addition to the commander of the ship, a representative from the commander must have beaten, with large shoulder straps, etc.
      3. ver_
        ver_ 5 July 2016 08: 50
        0
        ..offers two zeros - a special caste in any kind of troops, like a cat that walks on its own .., on its soft legs, sees everything and hears everything and knows everything ...
    5. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 3 July 2016 13: 38
      +2
      Quote: avvg
      Yes, it is very sad, flaws, glaring shortcomings in the leadership of the fleet were "above the roof".

      The commission worked for a month. "flaws, glaring flaws" - to put it mildly.
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      2. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 3 July 2016 15: 21
        +1
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        The commission worked for a month. "flaws, glaring flaws" - to put it mildly.


        I don’t understand ... Who and for what minus?
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 4 July 2016 05: 29
          0
          Quote: evge-malyshev
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          The commission worked for a month. "flaws, glaring flaws" - to put it mildly.


          I don’t understand ... Who and for what minus?

          Do I know? Maybe for the fifth column, maybe for the shape of the nose. Or maybe I put it very rudely and offended someone, well, I'm sorry.
          On the other hand, the topic is serious, "these places have not been remembered for a long time."
    6. Juborg
      Juborg 3 July 2016 14: 24
      0
      While this is all done with a pitchfork. Maybe we’ll wait for the results of the investigation and other things. And then today all this is a pitchfork on the water, some assumptions and guesses.
    7. Dam
      Dam 3 July 2016 17: 41
      0
      I hope not a house arrest and not conditional.
    8. 4ekist
      4ekist 4 July 2016 13: 47
      0
      "... only one commander-in-chief will be fired, and all the rest will be demoted to other positions," Litovkin said.
      In our large headquarters there are no irreplaceable ones. Everyone needs to be fired.
  2. oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 3 July 2016 12: 57
    +22
    Whatever shocks are there, the most important thing is that then there would be even worse!
    In the tsarist army and navy, there were courts of officer honor, where officers did not shake hands for many of the current "sins", and junior senior officers did not salute and they shot themselves out of shame! When will we grow up to this?
    1. co-creator
      co-creator 3 July 2016 13: 11
      +1
      In the tsarist army, corruption was many times higher, and how officers treated sailors was just a shame and a criminal in our time.
      1. sever.56
        sever.56 3 July 2016 13: 41
        +9
        Quotation: blooded man
        In the tsarist army, corruption was many times higher, and how officers treated sailors was just a shame and a criminal in our time.


        Well, yes ... "Right now I remember ..." This tsarist officer's muzzle hit my face ... "
        You, probably, "got information from Kuprin's story" Duel ", or from S. Eisenstein's film" Battleship "Potemkin" got information?
        In the imperial army, an officer beating and humiliating soldiers and sailors was ostracized and general contempt, he was not accepted in the officers' clubs and did not give a hand.
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 3 July 2016 16: 29
          -7
          Sailors and dogs were prohibited from entering the parks. Well, a scuffle soldier was a commonplace. This case is described by many Morinists. Naturally, not everyone was engaged in this. Although, after the revolution of 1905, sailors were already afraid to beat.
          Of course not served
          1. sever.56
            sever.56 3 July 2016 16: 56
            +9
            Quotation: blooded man
            Sailors and dogs were prohibited from entering the parks.

            Sorry, but you will smash such nonsense ... There was an isolated fact of this when some admiral, the head of the naval base in Kronstadt, made such a sign hang in front of the park in Kronstadt. He received lyuley from the king-priest himself for this. The officers of his base, the admiral, despised.

            Quotation: blooded man
            Well, scuffle soldiers were commonplace.

            You are engaged in simple trepidation, without bringing the facts of the mass beatings of the lower ranks. In the previous comment on yours, I already wrote what you are probably guided by saying this.

            Quotation: blooded man
            .This thing is described by many Morinists.

            Writers "MORINISTS", as you write, by definition cannot describe the life of the army, since "MARINEISTS" is a style in the direction of artists and writers who describe everything related to the sea. "Marineist" is written with "A".
            Writers and artists describing events in the army (infantry, artillery, etc.) were called "battle-painters".
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 3 July 2016 18: 16
              +1
              Quote: sever.56
              Sorry, but you are smashing such nonsense ...

              And this nonsense is plus wassat
            2. co-creator
              co-creator 3 July 2016 19: 59
              0
              For example, Novikov-Priboy wrote about this incident. Although, of course, this is a Bolshevik propaganda.

              Can't you tell the ordinary from the mass? Tsushima, PortArthur, etc.

              Well, let it be so, the main thing you understand what I wrote.
          2. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 4 July 2016 21: 25
            0
            That's for sure...
            My great-grandfather began serving as a young boy in the Guards Crew in the Turkish campaign of 1877-1878.
            So the family kept the tradition that officers of the sailors didn’t beat sailors in the Guards crew ...

            In contrast with other crews.
            By the way, writers, as a rule, were naval officers and, more rarely, torus sailors: Stanyukovich, Kolbasyev, Sobolev, Badigin ...
      2. anchabali
        anchabali 3 July 2016 13: 44
        .
        Have you served in the tsarist army?
        1. vfqjh
          vfqjh 3 July 2016 14: 36
          +5
          Gentlemen, comrades! The concept is honor, it’s the same in the tsar’s, in the Soviet, in the Russian army. That's just interpreted it all in different ways. But there was a time when they gave themselves a bullet to their temple for dishonor.
          1. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 5 July 2016 20: 28
            0
            Quote: vfqjh
            But there was a time when they gave themselves a bullet to their temple for dishonor.

            So it’s not for theft.
            In excitement, they lost cards and ...
            Or because of a married woman ....

            Or the leg turned up in the attack ...
            Or in the long voyages the nerves of the storms could not stand it ...

            Today’s will not shoot, - not for that, good things were pocketed, or they flew from service to resorts ...
    2. Altona
      Altona 3 July 2016 13: 19
      +24
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      Whatever shocks are there, the most important thing is that then there would be even worse!
      In the tsarist army and navy, there were courts of officer honor, where officers did not shake hands for many of the current "sins", and junior senior officers did not salute and they shot themselves out of shame! When will we grow up to this?

      --------------------
      Now many officers do not mind being parallel with businessmen. This applies not only to the officers of this fleet, but also to the FSB, the army, customs, and many others. Only business is nothing personal.
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        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 3 July 2016 17: 04
          -5
          Quote: sgazeev
          Cars were rented for three hours at 1,5 thousand rubles per hour. Where did Zin take the money?

          If the cars were really rented for 3 hours, then I see nothing wrong with that. 4,5 thousand is not such great money, especially since the machines were not taken for everyone. And now, after graduation, all graduates of higher military schools, not only the FSB, like this. request
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 3 July 2016 17: 43
            +15
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Well, now all graduates of higher military schools, not only the FSB, like this to hang out after graduation.
            It is one thing for the stallion of the Bronze Horseman to grate eggs or to put a vest on the Kruzenshtern - this is a traditional rage and hussars. And to drive, violating all traffic rules, a column of geliks in Moscow - this is redneck, majority and chump show-offs. Especially for graduates of the FSB Academy. Moreover, on the camera, their faces are also lit up and the faces of classmates not involved in this indecency (this is me about the graduation album that got into the frame).
            Scouts and counterintelligence, yeah .. FSB CJSC on a corporate party, rather.
            I have no doubt that Felix Edmundovich would personally shoot these current "successors of glorious traditions" from a Mauser.
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 3 July 2016 17: 52
              -2
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              breaking all traffic rules

              Did they break? I just really did not see. request
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              it is malice, majority and urban show-offs.

              The present tense is always different from the previous one. Now it is.
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Moreover, on the camera, their faces are also lit up and the faces of classmates not involved in this indecency (this is me about the graduation album that got into the frame).
              Scouts and counterintelligence, damn it ..

              Here, yes, there are questions.
              In general, the fact that renting a gelik like a car is not good news. yes
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 3 July 2016 18: 14
                +13
                Quote: Vladimirets
                Did they break? I just really did not see.
                To occupy all lanes of passing traffic - is this not a violation? Plus, the sound signals in the city without emergency. Good. even though they didn’t start shooting into the air, like at a Chechen wedding.
                Quote: Vladimirets
                In general, the fact that renting a gelik like a car is not good news.
                Zhenya, the point is this: the FSB Academy is not some kind of command or engineering school. For example, our Zhugarinsky graduates in the center would have traveled like that - maybe the girls would be cool too bras bonnets threw up b. smile However, our young lieutenants are modest. And God himself did not order the Chekists so to publicly shine is not their profession. Or am I not just old, but superstar, if I don’t understand some of the current elementary things .. winked
                1. sherp2015
                  sherp2015 4 July 2016 10: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Ami du peuple
                  God himself did not order the Chekists to shine so publicly - that is not their profession. Or am I not just old, but superstar, if I don’t understand some of the current elementary things ..

                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  they’re FSB officers, it’s not that they cannot shine their faces. These also surnames and their names laid out


                  Current charged to commerce
            2. Victor Demchenko
              Victor Demchenko 4 July 2016 09: 05
              +1
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              I have no doubt that Felix Edmundovich would personally shoot these current "successors of glorious traditions" from a Mauser.

              as far as I remember from open sources, Felix Edmundovich preferred Browning 1903. Or have I blurted out something? but what I would have shot, I have no doubt about it.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 July 2016 18: 17
            +4
            Quote: Vladimirets
            If the cars were really rented for 3 hours, then I see nothing wrong with that.

            Eugene is the FSB, they are not something that you can’t shine faces. These also surnames and their names laid out fool
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 3 July 2016 18: 27
              +6
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              And God himself told the Chekists not to shine so publicly - that’s not their profession.

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Eugene is the FSB, they are not something that you can’t shine faces. These also surnames and their names laid out

              Okay, persuaded. laughing drinks Maybe the whole issue was distributed to Lubyanka among the cadres; those who went to the residency, at a distance quietly and inconspicuously in black glasses drove a penny. smile
              A joke about this:
              A young lieutenant, liked by the daughter of one of the big bosses, is summoned to the leadership and reported; "It has been decided to send you to Paris.
              The purpose of the assignment is a slow, gradual entry into the milieu of millionaires with subsequent long-term "conservation". They will not contact you at all for the first five years. Legend: you are a young millionaire, owner of mansions and
              yachts, a life-burner ... "The lieutenant, naturally, with joy begins to" thump "hard, is put down to his colleagues - but during a booze he calls the head of the department" an old (h) asshole. "A day later he was called back to the management and reported:" Legend changes - the accounting department did not approve the estimate. You are a one-eyed beggar who sleeps under a bridge. The goal of the assignment is the same - a slow, gradual entry into the environment and adaptation to a new place ...
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 3 July 2016 18: 38
                +3
                Quote: Vladimirets
                You are a beggar one-eyed bugger, sleeping under a bridge.

                I do not think that soon there will be a replenishment in the regiment of beggar one-eyed buggers. But the management is obliged to make certain conclusions. Moreover, we have a "KGB regime" here, do not forget laughing
            2. udincev
              udincev 3 July 2016 18: 49
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Eugene is the FSB, they are not something that you can’t shine faces. These also surnames and their names laid out

              The graduates showed, obviously, what they were taught.
            3. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 4 July 2016 00: 42
              +7
              ". These surnames and names have also been posted" ////

              And they are not going to become secret agents.
              They want to become a new elite - to command the country.
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 3 July 2016 16: 03
        +4
        This is bad
    3. razmik72
      razmik72 3 July 2016 13: 28
      +10
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      Whatever shocks are there, the most important thing is that then there would be even worse!
      In the tsarist army and navy, there were courts of officer honor, where officers did not shake hands for many of the current "sins", and junior senior officers did not salute and they shot themselves out of shame! When will we grow up to this?

      You should not idealize the tsarist army. Here I read books about the great Russian commander Alexander Suvorov for a long time. So it says that the great strategist fought with the commissary service all his life because of excessive theft.
      1. 97110
        97110 3 July 2016 17: 49
        -7
        Quote: razmik72
        So it tells us that the great strategist fought all his life with the commissariat because of excessive theft.

        The book is probably Bolshevik, to discredit the power of the tsar-father.
    4. 97110
      97110 3 July 2016 17: 43
      0
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      In the tsarist army and navy existed
      feudal remnants. We have a well-maintained democratic society. Paid taxes and sleep peacefully.
    5. SergeBS
      SergeBS 11 July 2016 01: 08
      0
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      Courts of officer honor existed in the tsarist army and navy

      Don't idealize. Read the story - the construction (and subsequent revolt) of the battleship Potemkin.
      For instance. Thieves, murderers, etc. - in ALL places. And this cannot be cured by appealing to the "court of officer's honor". Be realistic.
  3. Pyokhar
    Pyokhar 3 July 2016 13: 00
    +5
    If Shoigu got down to business in this matter, then affairs in the Baltic Sea will return to normal and the fleet will only become stronger.
    1. dauria
      dauria 3 July 2016 19: 14
      +3
      If Shoigu got down to business in this case,


      And before that, he was a pimp? smile

      Subordinates shouldn't even know about the punishment of the bosses (well, unless the bosses were lower below the subordinates.) And here is a direct performance. Tfu, they got out with an advertisement of their greatness and significance, gentlemen Edoros.

      "... to officers - in person or at a meeting (senior officers - in the presence of senior officers, senior officers - in the presence of senior officers).
      In addition, disciplinary sanctions may be announced in the order.
      It is prohibited to announce disciplinary sanctions to commanders (chiefs) in the presence of their subordinates. "(Disciplinary Regulations)
      1. Pyokhar
        Pyokhar 3 July 2016 19: 20
        +2
        Am I EdRoss? Why's that? Just because you said something unpleasant for you? Funny you. laughing I see that Shoigu is doing the thing, and not drumming his tongue, like some on VO. laughing
        1. dauria
          dauria 3 July 2016 22: 18
          +2
          Am I EdRoss? Why's that



          What side are you on? laughing I saw the undisguised election campaign of the EP in the act of the Minister of Defense.

          I see that Shoigu is doing the thing, and not drumming his tongue,


          They talked a lot in the press and on television about Ustinov, Kutakhov, Gorshkov, etc.?
          In addition, "doing" and "promoting" are different things ... But many are confused. What has the current MO "done"? Didn't steal? Well, already a lot by now.

          By the way, I don't think Shoigu knows how many orderlies are in the company. A construction student with a protege dad from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union ought to have at least some "firing squad" job. Yes, but for the "Lame Horse" Minister of Emergency Situations forgot to answer ... or did not his kids take bribes? Itself would have to leave from shame .. And then, according to "honor", the stories are pushed.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 3 July 2016 22: 30
            +4
            Quote: dauria
            I saw the undisguised election campaign of the EP in the act of the Minister of Defense.

            The president, the founder of EdRa, also distinguished himself as ao to all channels in the advertising party of his support.
            Quote: dauria
            By the way, I don't think Shoigu knows how many orderlies are in the company. A construction student with a protege dad from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union ought to at least work on some "firing squad" official.

            Normal fit and a member of the same team in the Build.
    2. ver_
      ver_ 5 July 2016 09: 08
      0
      ..ga-and scows "full of mullets" will overtake torpedo bombers ..
  4. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 3 July 2016 13: 04
    +4
    But what does the commander have to do with reduced rations in the dining room? Now, after all, a Voentorg with its main office in St. Petersburg is in charge and civilians are in charge of it, or maybe now it’s different again. And about sheets in general, it’s hard to believe. There were never problems with this matter for my service anywhere, even in the 90s.
  5. Nehist
    Nehist 3 July 2016 13: 07
    +8
    So this is happening everywhere !!! For what brave reports !!! We are ready to repel any aggression, our combat training is growing, everything is good on exercises !!! But in fact, several parts that are really suitable for at least something, and all the rest only create visibility. Alas, these are the realities of the current armed forces.
  6. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 3 July 2016 13: 08
    +5
    “There was a complete theft. The sailors slept on bare mattresses "

    And they reacted to this whole mess just now ... Is it too late? ..
    1. OST_51RU
      OST_51RU 3 July 2016 13: 32
      +16
      And it’s also surprising why you don’t hear anything about those who, due to their duty, looked like "there was a complete theft" and did nothing ...

      I'm talking about the prosecutor's office of the BF ....
      1. VICTOR-61
        VICTOR-61 3 July 2016 14: 21
        +2
        Yes, Russia is rich in resources and thieves, and we will live like beggars, offensively the main population just survives and the West have nothing or any minerals and we live better than I — not the billionaires, but the bulk of the people’s videos on YouTube; appeals of the people to power here they give true information where how the prosecutor’s office works or the deputy is the conclusion they all work
        1. quote
          quote 3 July 2016 15: 13
          0
          Quote: VICTOR-61
          and we’re cooler than us — I’m not the billionaires, but the bulk of the people’s videos on YouTube;

          Are you serious? On YouTube? But in reality?
          Well then, to live as "somewhere", you have to STEAL !!?
          And the most shameful and last thing is to "rip off" the soldier's "ration"! Here, they are knocking down, such news!
  7. figwam
    figwam 3 July 2016 13: 10
    +2
    They are not punished for mattresses.
  8. Yarik
    Yarik 3 July 2016 13: 12
    +3
    Pyokhar RU Today, 13:00 New
    If Shoigu got down to business in this matter, then affairs in the Baltic Sea will return to normal and the fleet will only become stronger.

    Well, since Shoigu took it ... laughing It touches how they make a saint of him. If Shoigu, if Shoigu, just Shoigu. No.
    1. Pyokhar
      Pyokhar 3 July 2016 18: 00
      +1
      Then you take up the matter, and we will be touched. laughing Only the saint of you will not succeed anyway, for you will find yourself out of place. No. But Shoigu is on his own, and everything is working out well for him. yes
  9. Stoler
    Stoler 3 July 2016 13: 13
    +3
    And again, no one was planted. So everything will be as before !!! drinks
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 3 July 2016 13: 26
      0
      Quote: Stoler
      And again, no one was planted. So everything will be as before !!! drinks

      Are you ready to answer for your words?
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 3 July 2016 15: 06
      +10
      Quote: Stoler
      And again, no one was planted. So everything will be as before!

      Was the court already a colleague? Or did the prosecutor’s office open a criminal case? I haven’t heard something. request That's why they did not plant. yes What will happen next, we will look. hi
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 3 July 2016 22: 41
        0
        and someone can say that in our country, in what area of ​​activity is good?
        Where, damn it, do not throw, everywhere a wedge!
    3. Monarchist
      Monarchist 3 July 2016 16: 12
      +1
      Comrade brigade commander, you complain that you didn’t go to prison, but there are people here who don’t believe in stealing. They offer to listen to the other side, and Admiral Kravchuk will say so “all the time the minister was breaking and stealing”?
  10. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 3 July 2016 13: 14
    +5
    If only they had not let go of the brakes, they did not lie that the soldiers were sleeping on a dozen feather-beds and ate with golden spoons. The main thing is the impartiality of the investigation. And, although I am not bloodthirsty, I need to restore the tower for anyone.
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 3 July 2016 13: 33
      -9
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      If only they had not let go of the brakes, they did not lie that the soldiers were sleeping on a dozen feather-beds and ate with golden spoons. The main thing is the impartiality of the investigation. And, although I am not bloodthirsty, I need to restore the tower for anyone.

      And when a soldier slept on a "dozen featherbeds", dear, especially in war. Personally, I had to sleep on bare ground more than once. This cannot be a reason to remove the commander from his posts along with dozens of officers, I do not believe in this, here is something else, about which it is not very convenient and to spread.
      1. Banishing liberoids
        Banishing liberoids 3 July 2016 13: 46
        +3
        tazmik72 -I didn’t understand something, with whom is the Baltic Fleet fighting? By the way, I served in the Soviet army and also often was in the fields at all kinds of exercises and firing, therefore I know what it is.
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 3 July 2016 14: 23
          0
          Quote: Expelling Liberoids
          tazmik72 -I didn’t understand something, with whom is the Baltic Fleet fighting? By the way, I served in the Soviet army and also often was in the fields at all kinds of exercises and firing, therefore I know what it is.

          "Hater of Liberals" smile , and whoever wrote here that the Baltic Fleet is fighting somewhere, in any case, I did not write about it, but because of the "little things" like a sheet, several dozen officers were unlikely to be removed from their posts. Here, in his comments from above, a forum member under the hard to pronounce, It seems to me that he was a French nickname, he enlightened us that the command of the Baltic Fleet was removed from their posts due to the facts of concealing the emergency in the fleet, which is much closer to the truth. They were still gently treated if this is the case.
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 3 July 2016 22: 59
            0
            Quote: razmik72
            Quote: Expelling Liberoids
            tazmik72 -I didn’t understand something, with whom is the Baltic Fleet fighting? By the way, I served in the Soviet army and also often was in the fields at all kinds of exercises and firing, therefore I know what it is.

            "Hater of Liberals" smile , and whoever wrote here that the Baltic Fleet is fighting somewhere, in any case, I did not write about it, but because of the "little things" like a sheet, several dozen officers were unlikely to be removed from their posts. Here, in his comments from above, a forum member under the hard to pronounce, It seems to me that he was a French nickname, he enlightened us that the command of the Baltic Fleet was removed from their posts due to the facts of concealing the emergency in the fleet, which is much closer to the truth. They were still gently treated if this is the case.

            ===
            if it came to missing sheets, then there are not "little things", but, rather, complete impunity
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 3 July 2016 16: 20
        0
        There really is no sheet in the war. And what do you think was the reason. GDP and S.K. decided to play in 1937? Oh yes, SK. hidden pest and now, when it smells of war, he decided to undermine the combat readiness of the BF!
      3. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 3 July 2016 16: 54
        +4
        Quote: razmik72
        , here is something else, which is not very convenient to spread about.


        Tripper or what? wassat
        If, by today's Russian standards, they started up in an adult way for the BEGINNING, then there are no jambs - there are jambs. It is possible that not only shitty BG and theft, sworn partners could spy through near-naval civilian structures (purely so, one of the options).
        The results of the investigation will still not be voiced in full, and they’ll do it right.
        1. Manul
          Manul 3 July 2016 22: 01
          0
          Quote: iliitch
          The results of the investigation will still not be voiced in full, and they’ll do it right

          It would be interesting. I don't believe in "clean" generals. Maybe there is, but this is an exception. General stars are like a deputy mandate. Vlast. And in power structures, "the hand washes a hand." And most likely the new commander-in-chief will also be aware that something is being stolen somewhere. It is impossible to clean it up. But apparently the situation is really awful. Although I treat Shoigu as a good executive functionary who lacks a certain intuition of his business, I don’t think that he could have taken cheap slander, and checked the information more than once - an unprecedented step.
  11. qwert111
    qwert111 3 July 2016 13: 15
    +8
    If things are really like this, then it’s very good that the abscess was opened. But the people who are appointed to such responsible posts should know and understand the entire responsibility imposed on them, and what kind of undermining of combat readiness they will not dismiss and transfer somewhere with a lowering and imprisonment!
  12. Verdun
    Verdun 3 July 2016 13: 16
    +4
    The lack of objective information on the events at the Baltic Fleet is straining. Solid "opinions", not facts. I think that only open information could allow us to avoid speculation about what is happening.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 3 July 2016 13: 27
      +4
      And why the hell should military information be available to you? I'm generally shocked with local hacks.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 3 July 2016 13: 37
        0
        And why the hell should military information be available to you? ,,
        don’t throw pillows. Much of military life becomes known through acquaintances, relatives and just acquaintances. And scribes, as everywhere else.
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 3 July 2016 14: 12
          +6
          Quote: kotvov
          And why the hell should military information be available to you? ,,

          As citizens of this country, we pay taxes on which public services are maintained, including the army. And we have the right to know where this money goes and what it is spent on. Military secret is understandable. But, unfortunately, too much can be hidden behind this cover, including the fact that it has nothing to do with military secrets. No one says that information is needed on secret technology or military plans. But the general essence, the causes of what is happening, to know would be very useful. At least so that the information vacuum is not filled with irresponsible rumors.
      2. razmik72
        razmik72 3 July 2016 13: 44
        +5
        Quote: Muvka
        And why the hell should military information be available to you? I'm generally shocked with local hacks.

        Why shouldn't information be available to people, what can be so secret in it? Here in Armenia, before the April events in Karabakh, it was practically not customary to criticize the native army, and whoever dared, was declared a "traitor to the motherland" and "an accomplice of the enemy." It all ended with the fact that during the April battles for Karabakh, the Armenian army suffered a tactical defeat and the command was forced to remove dozens of officials in the Ministry of Defense from their posts.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 3 July 2016 14: 00
          +1
          Quote: razmik72
          Quote: Muvka
          And why the hell should military information be available to you? I'm generally shocked with local hacks.

          Why shouldn't information be available to people, what can be so secret in it? Here in Armenia, before the April events in Karabakh, it was practically not customary to criticize the native army, and whoever dared, was declared a "traitor to the motherland" and "an accomplice of the enemy." It all ended with the fact that during the April battles for Karabakh, the Armenian army suffered a tactical defeat and the command was forced to remove dozens of officials in the Ministry of Defense from their posts.

          And if in this information, roughly speaking, there is infa that somewhere there is a lack of shells or some ships, for example, a problem with weapons. Do you know how to think?
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 3 July 2016 15: 35
            0
            Quote: Muvka
            And if in this information, roughly speaking, there is infa that somewhere there is a lack of shells or some ships, for example, a problem with weapons.

            It is not the admirals who command the fleet that are responsible for the problems with shells and weapons, but those who created, developed, and accepted these weapons and shells. Blaming the command for such things is like blaming a soldier for having to fight with a bad sword issued in a warehouse.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 3 July 2016 15: 41
              +4
              Quote: Verdun
              Quote: Muvka
              And if in this information, roughly speaking, there is infa that somewhere lack of shells or some ships, for example, a problem with weapons.

              For problems with shells and weapons are responsible not the admirals commanding the fleet, but those who created, developed and accepted these weapons and shells. Blaming command for such things is like blaming a soldier for having to fight with a bad sword issued in a warehouse

              Ummm ...

              - for the shortage (insufficient number) of shells on the ship - are the shell developers responsible? Famously wink
              - for the malfunction of a specific gun on a particular ship - are the developers of the gun responsible ?? belay

              Sunday, a day of fun, however laughing

              Nothing personal, just amused hi
            2. Alf
              Alf 3 July 2016 15: 59
              0
              Quote: Verdun
              It is not the admirals who command the fleet that are responsible for the problems with shells and weapons, but those who created, developed, and accepted these weapons and shells. Blaming the command for such things is like blaming a soldier for having to fight with a bad sword issued in a warehouse.

              In general, it is true, but in this case the admiral must beat all the bells and yell wherever possible. Weapons for war are not good, give what you need.
              1. Verdun
                Verdun 3 July 2016 16: 21
                0
                Quote: Alf
                In general, it’s true, but in this case the admiral must beat all the bells and yell wherever possible

                Once again, I emphasize that in the absence of confirmed information, it is impossible to judge this. Knowing how it happens with us, in Russia, someone may even assume that they can remove it just for the attempt to "ring all the bells."
                1. Alf
                  Alf 3 July 2016 22: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Verdun
                  Knowing how it happens with us, in Russia, someone may even assume that they can remove it just for the attempt to "ring all the bells."

                  Actually, this is his job. The fleet under his command should be dressed, shod, armed and trained.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 3 July 2016 14: 00
          +14
          "it was to criticize the native army, and whoever dared, he was declared a" traitor of the motherland "and" an accomplice of the enemy. "It all ended with the fact that during the April battles for Karabakh the Armenian army suffered a tactical defeat" ////

          And it always happens. Silence of criticism and unpleasant incidents leads to fake reporting, fake teachings, and in case of war - to defeat.
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 3 July 2016 14: 12
            +3
            Quote: voyaka uh
            "it was to criticize the native army, and whoever dared, he was declared a" traitor of the motherland "and" an accomplice of the enemy. "It all ended with the fact that during the April battles for Karabakh the Armenian army suffered a tactical defeat" ////

            And it always happens. Silence of criticism and unpleasant incidents leads to fake reporting, fake teachings, and in case of war - to defeat.

            Alexey, I completely agree with you. Silence of problems leads to an even worse situation.
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      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 3 July 2016 13: 48
        +5
        Quote: Verdun
        The lack of objective information on the events at the Baltic Fleet is straining. Solid "opinions", not facts. I think that only open information could allow us to avoid speculation about what is happening.

        Quote: Muvka
        And why the hell should military information be available to you? I'm generally shocked with local hacks.

        Here I am about the same.
        Change the commander in chief - very good reasons are needed. For sheets and mattresses, they could just come off on the commissaries and supplies ....
        Looks like there is a jamb, but they will not be called publicly ...
  13. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 3 July 2016 13: 18
    +4
    It is better now to punish for mattresses than to wait for the starvation of the sailors, as was the case in the 90s on Russky Island.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 3 July 2016 16: 34
      +1
      Golden words: it’s better now ten, twenty admirals will be removed than the island of Russky will repeat
  14. engineering
    engineering 3 July 2016 13: 19
    +9
    Many people know what theft in the army and navy is, on the VO website, but the fact that the sailors slept on bare mattresses without sheets and unfinished food is probably the responsibility of the unit commanders in the first place, and since things have gone so far, then only guess. In this case, the question arises, where did the OSB department of its own security look, in the Soviet Union it was the 2nd department in the army?
  15. sergey2017
    sergey2017 3 July 2016 13: 22
    +2
    Fraud Shoigu, especially if it concerns the service and life of the military does not forgive! For this is usually given to the tribunal!
    1. sub307
      sub307 3 July 2016 13: 51
      +4
      Oh well ..., under the "tribunal" right! And where does this “tribunal” work? And where did the prosecutors look, if there really were violations and omissions of the sounded scale? “Blinded,” “dumbfounded,” and “numb” all “in chorus”? Was it really so secretly happening? ....
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  16. yuriy55
    yuriy55 3 July 2016 13: 25
    0
    Well, here ... they’ll sort it out thoroughly and punish anyone horrible, as always recourse But how did these violations happen? what There was, was not and ... suddenly there? belay It is clear that the Commander is responsible for everything, only to remove him you need such good reasons that God forbid No.
    From year to year, here in the former Shoigu department, we see a stubborn, consistent, constant struggle against forest fires in Siberia ... and where are these very organizational conclusions? request Former Moscow Region lost in state structures request The case on the Ministry of Defense collapsed (due to lack of evidence and due to the lack of lol)
    Or maybe this is a purge of those who disagree with something? Let's wait and see ... But the version with mattresses good
  17. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 3 July 2016 13: 28
    -1
    Suspension of admirals and other com. composition is nonsense for them. We must reward them with new medals for the mess and theft, orders for cooperation with the United States and the collapse of the Russian Army, and an underground US hero in the fight against RUSSIA for senior officials. Then ALL will know about them and they will not wash off and others will not receive such awards. And to hand them awards on Red Square with an orchestra. soldier
  18. V.ic
    V.ic 3 July 2016 13: 36
    +3
    Something before Shoigu is recalled about Kamchatka, military medicine ... Freshly a legend, and it is already hard to believe. Soon we will forget about Serdyukov and his love in red slippers.
  19. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 3 July 2016 13: 42
    +1
    the commander of one of the submarines of the Northern Fleet will be appointed chief of staff of the Baltic Fleet.

    Enough knowledge, experience and talent!
    After all, commanding a boat is already a special test and trust, but the Baltic Fleet is a varied grouping of forces and troops, the specifics of commanding such a force are completely different.
  20. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 3 July 2016 13: 43
    +4
    "They will put you on, but don't steal!"
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    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 3 July 2016 14: 10
      +7
      Quote: anchabali
      To shoot all this riffraff!

      Will you shoot the dearest yourself? Or just shout slogans. wink
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 3 July 2016 15: 03
      +1
      What happened there, no one will report to us. But what they voiced seems to apply to all fleets. Otherwise, why was this done? Or sailors do not write letters home? It seems that the minister took up order in the navy, and what's wrong? And when you do not know the real essence of the matter, then why discuss it? So, gag.
  22. MDS
    MDS 3 July 2016 14: 03
    +3
    In February, the Commander is awarded, in June they are kicked out with shame. Question: where and what are the deputies in charge of the rear, the construction of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? It’s clear that you can’t speak out against the commander in the Navy, and why did your superior not know or do not want to know? There were fraudulent reports ... did they come from Antarctica? Where not to reach, not to fly? In short, we must dig higher, and this we will never have!
  23. satelit24
    satelit24 3 July 2016 14: 06
    +1
    I wonder why they all (mayors, governors, all sorts of generals, admirals) are taken when they have already plundered everything, and when they all steal white and fluffy?
  24. berezin1987
    berezin1987 3 July 2016 14: 12
    +5
    Such creatures scolded Stalin for the 37 year. With thieves then they didn’t particularly stand on ceremony, they shot massively reptiles. Once again, we need a leader of this magnitude, otherwise there will be no order. Russia needs to take an example from Singapore, China, and not listen to shit from the west.
  25. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 3 July 2016 14: 16
    +6
    Quote: Pyohar
    If Shoigu got down to business in this matter, then affairs in the Baltic Sea will return to normal and the fleet will only become stronger.

    Exactly. Putin must personally deal with the problems of the fish factory in Sakhalin, Eliminate the flagrant shortcomings in the Baltic, personally Shoigu !!! And the admirals and generals fatten, staying until retirement, so what. I noticed a long time ago, at the end of perestroika, the general closer to the capital, it doesn't matter to the first or second, the less interest he has in the service, rubbing points in the order of things, the commission does not care; women, restaurants, hunting, good information on the way out. As part of the mixed commissions, I had to dangle around Russia, the results of the inspections were all the more objective the members of the commission further from my district.
    1. Pyokhar
      Pyokhar 3 July 2016 18: 18
      -1
      And what do you want for a couple of years, everything will change radically and that superior bosses stop stealing? Over the long years of Yeltsin's timelessness, the generals have corrupted to the point of lawlessness, and in a few years the ridge of corruption in the army cannot be killed. But, thank God, things are going in the right direction, things are being done. And whoever throws hands on thieves is the tenth thing, another thing is important: Shoigu raised the prestige of the army to a height that was not there in past years. The army is now combat-ready, considering the West with it. And even if only Shoigu fights against theft in the army, then what's wrong with that? The main thing is that he succeeds.
      1. Pyokhar
        Pyokhar 3 July 2016 18: 40
        -1
        I will add. And then, it seems to me that the comparison between the fish factory-Putin and the army-Shoigu is a bit of the wrong thing: who better than the Minister of Defense to punish and remove his admiral generals. Well, not to captains and lieutenants?
  26. berezin1987
    berezin1987 3 July 2016 14: 30
    +2
    I have always been amazed at the humanism of Russian justice towards bureaucracy. Is it really so hard to get a person in a serious leadership position not to steal? The same story with the Vostochny spaceport, and with the Amur Shipyard. Maybe it's time to learn from the Chinese experience and start shooting thieves in stadiums? It helps the Chinese well, although they never stop stealing completely. For 30 years, the country has been going in the wrong direction, it is time to change course by 180 degrees.
  27. Chulman
    Chulman 3 July 2016 14: 39
    +2
    These are not "flaws" - this is a betrayal !!!!! Shoot all those involved! Only such a medicine helps at all times!
  28. Starik72
    Starik72 3 July 2016 14: 43
    0
    I will not discuss this topic, because I do not have information on this issue, and in addition I am not competent. But, people say that there is no smoke without fire. Therefore, in this case, they will either sort it out or let it go on the brakes. Of course, I want the guilty to be punished and not the guilty. No other is given here.
  29. Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 July 2016 15: 07
    +1
    Here, rather, it’s worth noting the absence of sheets,
    but about undermining the combat effectiveness of the fleet as a whole.
    Apparently theft was too frank and destructive.
    Well, I hope that this will be limited to one Baltic
    on the other fleets they will draw the right conclusions.
    You can say that in this case the commander
    "appointed as the ass on duty," so that the lesson would be different.
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  31. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 3 July 2016 15: 12
    +3
    He served in the Pacific, in Kamchatka .... even then the saying was walking: "The Northern Fleet is a strong fleet, the Pacific Fleet is also a fleet .... The Baltic is the former, and the Black Sea is the fleet, which is not the fleet ....." lol
  32. Chaos
    Chaos 3 July 2016 15: 18
    +2
    Under the tribunal, scum. Which of the General Staff last inspected? Him there too!
    1. satelit24
      satelit24 3 July 2016 15: 33
      +2
      and those who oversaw these matters - there too!
  33. solombalec
    solombalec 3 July 2016 15: 28
    0
    This is not possible without the president of the country.
  34. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 3 July 2016 15: 28
    0
    Actually, the fleet is commanded by admirals, not "Ukrainian former generals."
  35. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 3 July 2016 15: 44
    +1
    after the DFT was merged in Cheboksary, I no longer believe them and especially Nenashev !!!
  36. dvg1959
    dvg1959 3 July 2016 15: 56
    +1
    The personal savings of the Fleet’s command would be enough to feed and provide the whole Fleet with clothing and property. And this would not affect their material well-being.
    To live beautifully is not forbidden, but one must have a conscience.
    If l / s sleeps on mattresses, then the command does not correspond to the position.
    Cutting prod. soldering - definitely not according to Suvorovsky.
    Russia was going through more difficult times, but there wasn’t such a thing.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 3 July 2016 16: 38
      +1
      Unfortunately it happened similar or even worse
  37. Titsen
    Titsen 3 July 2016 15: 57
    +1
    Quote: vovanpain
    Will you shoot the dearest yourself? Or just shout slogans


    There are special bodies for this!
  38. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 3 July 2016 16: 07
    +3
    I will add my five cents.
    SW comrade Kravchuk, while serving in the Pacific Fleet, at the end of the 90s commanded 165 missile boat brigade, based in b. Ulysses in Vladivostok, or rather in the Big Ulysses. So there he launched a boisterous commercial activity such as leasing piers, territory and buildings, and much more. There were a lot of rumors about this. Moreover, the ships of the brigade were subject to relocation to the other side of the bay - to Small Ulysses.
    In general, I can’t say anything bad about him as a commander, but in my opinion the problem of “confusion between our own and the state’s wool,” in the reasons for his resignation, is not the last one. So to speak, there was experience.
  39. fa2998
    fa2998 3 July 2016 16: 08
    0
    Quote: razmik72
    . Dismissing the commander-in-chief of the Baltic Fleet because of the sheets, this "brilliant" formulation would not have been thought of in the same "pampered" Europe or the States.

    Dismissed for theft, until we take steps to combat corruption, we will slip on the spot!
    Pensioners wait, pay a penny, state employees even a NEW INCREASED minimum wage (7500 rubles) below the subsistence minimum. NO MONEY, YOU CAN HOLD THEM! We rearm the army, feed and create normal conditions for soldiers. And some generals and admirals ( and even at assistants of MO) money stick to hands!
    Wait, the investigation will find out that it took billions and get off easily, they fired, well, maybe some kind of abuse of authority or fraud will be awarded, and the budget will not receive money anymore. We even return the seized property (remember Vasiliev). Serdyukov to the MO more no-BUT HIS BUSINESS LIVES! laughing request negative hi
  40. Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx 3 July 2016 16: 13
    +6
    I’ve been out of business for ten years, but even then, in the distant 2000s, it was the dumbest fleet of all. I was in the SF, served in the Pacific Fleet so that there is nothing to compare. I was in practice in Kronstadt and Baltiysk in 2004 on minesweepers, and even then we 4th year cadets slept on the floor in Paut on bare mattresses, fed only a slice and pearl barley on the water without meat, we ate in the ward company with officers and midshipmen on their staff 10 people and 10 of us, even though we were all with food certificates, but they didn’t increase the ration, so whoever had it and ate it :). There was no such mess on other fleets. And about the head of the school who came to us from Baltiysk there were stories that he traded there with dead souls. And all the dvoeshnikov and jambs were distributed in Baltiysk. In general, it stretches, God knows from what time.
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 3 July 2016 18: 37
      +2
      Quote: CU-3
      in Baltiysk in 2004 on minesweepers

      lucky years on xnumx before ..
      when everyone massively engaged in wheelbarrows and amber.
      and even now it’s better, but not fantastic. I often wrote here, in case of war, with such a leadership of the Baltic Fleet, we will lose Baltiysk in a matter of hours, together with the entire fleet.
  41. t118an
    t118an 3 July 2016 16: 22
    0
    Quote: Alf
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Although, in the not so distant past, they leaned against such a wall.

    Officer court of honor and a pistol with one cartridge.

    Why are you ... stop ... but how stolen ... Who ... ??? will not master ..
  42. Monarchist
    Monarchist 3 July 2016 16: 48
    -1
    There is a rumor that you can at least buy all the ammunition at the Baltic Fleet and the admirals will not "recognize". As far as reliably I can not judge (I have not been there and have not seen), and therefore, like everyone else, I am waiting for additional information
    1. okroshka79
      okroshka79 5 July 2016 17: 16
      0
      And what, in the early nineties with the help of fake certificates for small arms of ships leaving the Baltic for other fleets after construction, an organized criminal group led by large naval officials who traded in small arms, including light machine guns, acted.
  43. atamankko
    atamankko 3 July 2016 16: 53
    +1
    Shoigu always draws conclusions after a thorough check,
    it means there was something to punish, in vain he did not wave his saber.
    1. Manul
      Manul 3 July 2016 22: 07
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      Quote: atamankko
      always draws conclusions after a thorough check,

      What do you find with checks? In the army??? Do not make me laugh. We’ll just hope that the good officers didn’t survive, but really punished the guilty.
  44. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 3 July 2016 17: 43
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    How many heads flew due to "omissions in work". Any check can not do without "blood", but here you can see with the naked eye - the commander does not pull !!! In vain the sheets were fastened, it can be found in any fleet.
  45. uruss
    uruss 3 July 2016 17: 49
    +3
    Ducks! solid dodges! in the government in the army in the police and even on the latest news in the FSB!
  46. prior
    prior 3 July 2016 17: 54
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    Suspended - on bare mattresses! For life!
  47. kirpich
    kirpich 3 July 2016 18: 07
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    There is no smoke without fire ...
    It looks like <Not all is quiet in the Danish kingdom>
  48. Naum
    Naum 3 July 2016 18: 24
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    Quote: Ami du peuple
    still easy to get off.

    I doubt that they "got off". And they certainly did not "get off with a slight fright"! Not that situation. On the eve of the elections, the fight against "shortcomings and omissions" will be sharply intensified. Someone will fail under the article.
  49. alfa19638
    alfa19638 3 July 2016 18: 51
    +1
    The course we are being led involves theft, because at the forefront are not those ideals, building a world where the golden calf rules is the way to the abyss, in a person they awaken everything that is base and vile.
    Only a return to socialist ideals - freedom, equality, fraternity will not allow people to turn into indifferent and impersonal consumers and performers.
  50. Nik2013
    Nik2013 3 July 2016 18: 51
    +1
    We must also confiscate all relatives of these traitors