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The General Staff offered to restore the subject of "initial military training" in schools.

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The Russian military offered to restore elementary military training in schools as a separate subject, reports TASS a message from the head of the General Organizational Office of the General Staff Vasily Tonoshkurov.

The General Staff offered to restore the subject of "initial military training" in schools.


“It is proposed to work out the issue of withdrawing training on the fundamentals of military service from the training program on the basics of life safety and restoring a separate subject of study in schools and educational institutions of secondary vocational education“ initial military training ”. I think that the need for this step is long overdue ”,
said the general at the on-site meeting of the commission on the preparation of Russian citizens for military service.

He noted that "the question of the expediency of allocating military training into a separate subject is entrusted to work the Ministry of Education and Science together with the Ministry of Defense and other federal executive bodies."
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  1. tiredwithall
    tiredwithall 1 July 2016 12: 23
    +78
    "The need for this step is long overdue" and oh, how overripe!
    Both textbooks and programs should be taken from the Soviet Union, and one must begin with the seventh grade.
    1. cniza
      cniza 1 July 2016 12: 33
      +35
      This will never hurt anyone, but the benefits are obvious.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 1 July 2016 12: 44
        +30
        With two hands "for"! And you need to start with the upcoming new 2016-2017 academic year.
        1. Alex_Rarog
          Alex_Rarog 1 July 2016 16: 11
          +16
          Hands and feet !!!!! And what would the former military teachers !!! And preferably not those that asses sit out !!!
          1. Temples
            Temples 1 July 2016 17: 25
            +21
            This is how many captains will be needed at once!
            Where can I get so much?
            On the other hand, the prepared guys will go to the army.
            At least they can disassemble-assemble the machine.
            Hurrah!

            NVP is one of the most memorable subjects for most graduates !!!
            We still remember our cap !!!

            And what would the former military teachers!


            How else???
            Otherwise it will be crap.
            1. oldseaman1957
              oldseaman1957 3 July 2016 08: 36
              +4
              Quote: Temples
              Otherwise it will be crap.

              - Even if you enter ONLY NVP, it will not give much; it is imperative to conduct summer camps for senior schoolchildren before the call, to prepare them for life in the field. Indeed, for today's mouse-fornication, even a bonfire is a problem! And physically you need to pump them up in advance!
          2. Escobar
            Escobar Yesterday, 19: 55
            0
            Заканчивается 2021, а воз и ныне там
        2. coolvoldik
          coolvoldik 1 July 2016 17: 31
          +2
          One can imagine what the questions on the EG on initial military training will look like.
          AKM is:
          1. Means for contraception.
          2. Favorite dog of Gerasim
          3. Device for automatic firing of bullets.
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 1 July 2016 12: 45
        +16
        “It is proposed to work out the issue of withdrawing training in the basics of military service from the training program on the basics of life safety and the restoration of a separate subject of instruction in schools and educational institutions of secondary vocational education“ initial military training ”.
        I did not wear epaulets, but I support it.
        1. Mareman Vasilich
          Mareman Vasilich 1 July 2016 15: 33
          -2
          Wait, what about anti-Soviet ideology? After all, the NVP is the introduction of the Bolsheviks, the USSR.
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 1 July 2016 18: 20
            +9
            Quote: Mareman Vasilich
            Wait, what about anti-Soviet ideology? After all, the NVP is the introduction of the Bolsheviks, the USSR.



            Vasilich, the irony failed ...

            According to the Constitution, we have NO ideology ...
            And what kind of ideology can be incorporated into the initial military training, besides the upbringing of patriotism?
            Patriotism for one’s country does not depend absolutely on its political system or on many other factors ... hi
            1. Warrior Hamilton
              Warrior Hamilton 3 July 2016 08: 38
              0
              The Yeltsin’s constitution is vile, in which the ideology is allegedly absent ........
              The villains' dream is coming true - a state without braces that unite the peoples in it living surrounded by former "brothers" who are building their own national socialisms. We need "without ideological patriots" who have passed the CWP at school, cheerfully joining the only allies - the Army and the Navy, thank God, now also the National Guard, to protect the interests in Syria of those who stole pensions from their parents and lives in London.

              Patriotism for one’s country does not depend absolutely on its political system or on many other factors ... hi[/ Quote]
              Bravo! I applaud you while standing!
              1. Warrior Hamilton
                Warrior Hamilton 3 July 2016 15: 03
                +2
                In response to the minus:
                Ideology is principles. For example: "Give gas to every Russian family!" Is a very dangerous principle ...... In order to feed the Federal Reserve System of a foreign country, you need fraudulent and unprincipled, and they must be protected and guarded by honest, compliant, highly professional marines and pilots who are pristine from any ideology, ready to lay down their wings in the next Republic of Bindibu, for the glory of Gazprom and Turkish tomatoes. Come on, I have no time .... I also need to bring Professor Gaidar's books to the Yeltsin Center library, and in the evening an interesting film on TV, about how our army reconnaissance artillerymen are tortured by the bloody GEBnya after each raid behind enemy lines. I'll see if I have time, otherwise I must honor the memory of General Morenheim, thank God who died in Bose not with us ...
      3. Lukich
        Lukich 1 July 2016 15: 14
        +6
        Quote: cniza
        This will never hurt anyone, but the benefits are obvious.

        on myself in SA experienced the positive aspects of this subject
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    3. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 1 July 2016 12: 35
      +22
      Everything new is well forgotten old. Many more good things from the times of the USSR will return. We would have gotten to education.
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 1 July 2016 15: 17
        +5
        Quote: subbtin.725
        . Before education would have reached.

        the first task is to remove an ugly animal called the exam
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    6. RUS96
      RUS96 1 July 2016 12: 39
      +17
      It's time. At one time it was one of my favorite subjects. Not least thanks to the teacher Demyanov Nikolai Vasilievich. soldier
    7. Vend
      Vend 1 July 2016 12: 40
      +12
      Quote: tiredwithall
      "The need for this step is long overdue" and oh, how overripe!
      Both textbooks and programs should be taken from the Soviet Union, and one must begin with the seventh grade.

      The idea is good, the question is in the teachers. I remember how we treated this subject and the teacher. Frankly, I do not care. And no one said thanks for this training, even those from our class who later fought in Chechnya. Here we need a system, we need to start from the first class, so that by the seventh we develop respect for the subject. And yet, less theory, more practice. Shooting, disassembling a machine gun, throwing grenades was more interesting to us. than to read the textbook. We need training films, they are in the archives. but you need to shoot new ones.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 1 July 2016 13: 01
        +14
        Quote: Wend
        The idea is good, the question is in the teachers.

        /// in my school, a teacher on NVP (then the subject was only introduced) was a physics teacher who managed to fight back in the Far East, was the captain of the reserve ...
        Naturally, they treated him with dignity. And he is appropriately. There was a lot of practice - a whole class with a weapon: training RPD, AKS, SKS ... From the military - with a dozen TOZ-8. They shot at least several times a month. Moreover, sometimes alone, the teacher appointed a couple of elders. gave out cartridges - a dozen on the nose ... and we are building with TOZs spanked at the shooting range - a ravine on the edge of the village. Put up a cordon ... and shot from the heart :)))
        In the summer - to the camps: hikes along a given route, crosses, orienteering, "hunting for foxes", even shooting, and already with the AK (military commissar brought) ...

        Wait a moment, such a picture - only of schoolchildren with weapons - hardly even in a nightmare would anyone allow ...
        But, in our time it was!
        1. delvin-fil
          delvin-fil 1 July 2016 14: 58
          +7
          Wait a moment, such a picture - only of schoolchildren with weapons - hardly even in a nightmare would anyone allow ...

          That's just it ... Have played enough of all sorts of "disagreements" and "Anrils" and think that they understand weapons (and behavior with them) better than the military. Look at any near-military forum - the hair on the back of the head is moving from horror. Such is carried ...
          Yes, and at eighteen, when they come to the Army, you have to literally knock dope (not physically).
          I will never forget one of my guards (I was at TSO). Yearlings from posts brought. So they, instead of carrying out the discharge in front of the bullet catcher, began to spin around and drive trunks !!! Everyone lay in the mud, right down to NK.
        2. your1970
          your1970 1 July 2016 17: 56
          +2
          the problem is enough teachers
          They are now in general a problem, the average age is around 67 (!!!!!!!!!!) years ...
          Given the fact that schools in the country 42 600 - find so many former military consonants to work for a penny at school (write notes, fill out magazines, put deuces, drive boobies, etc.) is problematic, or rather unrealistic .....
          In the days of the USSR it was a little easier - the army was much larger and salaries of teachers were normal ..
          In general, it would be nice - but it is unlikely that it will work out, they will most likely be assigned women among themselves - so as not to increase the staff and raise the salary in extra hours
        3. Baloo
          Baloo 7 July 2016 09: 37
          0
          In the summer - to the camps: hikes along a given route, crosses, orienteering, "hunting for foxes", even shooting, and already with the AK (military commissar brought) ...
          You are lucky, a little envy. I wanted to send my grandson to such a camp, a little expensive for the money, they didn’t pull it. hi
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 1 July 2016 13: 48
        +5
        You have the right way of thinking, and some people tend to think that life safety is the best. Indeed, a theory without practice and clarity is a waste of time and money
      3. delvin-fil
        delvin-fil 1 July 2016 14: 52
        +3
        Shoot, disassemble the machine, throw grenades, we were more interested

        Theory is equally important. The same tactics, coordination of combat units. To do this, conduct military-patriotic games like "Zarnitsa".
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 1 July 2016 15: 20
          +2
          Quote: delvin-fil
          To do this, conduct military-patriotic games like "Zarnitsa".

          now, after this word, nastalgia attacked ... smile
      4. weksha50
        weksha50 1 July 2016 18: 23
        0
        Quote: Wend
        The idea is good, the question is in the teachers. I remember how we treated this subject and the teacher. Frankly, I don't care



        Well, this can be said about any subject and teacher of this subject ...
        Remember the school yourself ... We didn’t like many subjects, and as a rule, because of the personal qualities of the teachers ...
    8. Khariton
      Khariton 1 July 2016 12: 41
      +9
      It’s too late, but in principle it may work ... NVP! DOSSAF ... They all sacked and the boys would be happy, but there is nothing! The signs were left alone ... Football, hockey got the result ..? And so are the military ... It all starts with the province, there is a systematic selection! I remember all this ...
      On account of this, it was clear in the USSR, they selected the most (from villages and townships, etc.) And in the industry it was like that .. They looked for smart and creative boys and then "led them" .... Now, ugh damn it .. angry
      1. matross
        matross 1 July 2016 12: 58
        +8
        Quote: Chariton
        Too late

        Yes, why? This is the INITIAL preparation of adolescents, the task is to instill basic skills. The basics of combat, AK tightly, RG in theory, charters, at least in terms of military ranks and greetings, reports ... somehow.
        And yet, be sure, albeit at the top, the army of probable opponents - as a political guideline.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 2 July 2016 20: 33
          +1
          sailor

          I would have approached the issue differently.

          Soviet-style NWP lagged catastrophically. Drill training is certainly needed, but only for the army. By the way, I really need it. This is unlikely that someone will argue with me.

          NVP must be considered as an element of the preparation of the militia. In the USSR they considered it as preparation for military service. In this concept, NVP is nonsense.

          It can be suggested that several sets of "Warrior" be sent to school, for training to use at the speed of vesting in time. Or other competitive ways.
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      3. Pilot
        Pilot 3 July 2016 18: 58
        0
        Quote: Chariton
        Too late,

        C 1 class.
    9. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 1 July 2016 12: 52
      +3
      Quote: tiredwithall
      e, and it is necessary to begin with the seventh class.

      Why from the 7th, we had from the 5th.
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 1 July 2016 12: 59
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Why from the 7th, we had from the 5th.

        And request we already had only OBZH ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 1 July 2016 13: 03
          +4
          Quote: RUSS
          we already had only OBZH ...

          We also had it, but it’s strange, something like that. We cut boards or files, did some garbage, and the girls cooked to eat. After a week we changed, we cooked what happened, and the girls ran with hammers and files wassat
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 1 July 2016 13: 12
          +8
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Why from the 7th, we had from the 5th.
          And we already had only OBZH ...

          Eh, youth ...
          "Zarnitsa", disassembly-assembly of AK in 30-35 s ...
          With whom to protect the country? It’s already being called up to the draft board, although in March 13th it was deregistered. Probably because of those who planed, planed. And it was unclear what ... wassat
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 1 July 2016 13: 52
            +2
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            With whom to protect the country?

            And I Che, I Che winked
      3. Lukich
        Lukich 1 July 2016 15: 25
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Why from the 7th, we had from the 5th.

        the very thing. at this age of boyhood, curiosity and romance above the roof. the boys will be very willing to learn weapons. well and everything else. a word for teachers. how the subject will be served. fifth graders are not 18 year old men
    10. Sashka
      Sashka 1 July 2016 13: 10
      +2
      Well, they start from the 7th, approximately ... If they enter from the new school year, then until the hour of X, when this knowledge is useful, there remains a maximum of 5 years. It seems that the tops have long known when and what will begin.
      Good day!
    11. joopel
      joopel 1 July 2016 14: 00
      +4
      It is high time. Finally, common sense begins to conquer the delirium of Pacific liberalism. With the proper approach, this discipline will be not only useful, but also interesting for children.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 1 July 2016 14: 22
        +1
        We studied AK at the CWP, but I never saw it in the army. We only had SKS carbines in our division. Here's a "squiggle". And they taught the charter and went to the shooting range, but if my memory serves me, then 1-2 times for all training. Often they only fired from "small cars".
    12. Lukich
      Lukich 1 July 2016 15: 15
      +2
      Quote: tiredwithall
      "The need for this step is long overdue" and oh, how overripe!

      it still had to be done the day before yesterday
    13. st1342
      st1342 1 July 2016 18: 54
      +1
      I agree that my son will be 11 years old this year, he may catch it in time.
    14. Fitter
      Fitter 1 July 2016 22: 54
      0
      From the seventh too early, no?
    15. PENZA
      PENZA 3 July 2016 09: 42
      +2
      And Serve in the Army for 2 years.
  2. dsm100
    dsm100 1 July 2016 12: 24
    +12
    Damn ... Of course it is. Just do not have to clean up the NVP. Breaking does not build ...
    1. Altona
      Altona 1 July 2016 12: 47
      +3
      Quote: dsm100
      Of course it is. Just do not have to clean up the NVP. Breaking does not build ...

      ---------------------
      CWP was removed as part of the "humanization of education". I remember there were many shouts about "militarization", "the uselessness of such knowledge", etc. Although the main reason that this subject promotes actions in a team and, in general, the consistency of their actions with others, so as not to be a herd in case of danger. Replaced with some kind of life safety basics. The result is 15 children who died on Syamozero and adults do not care.
      1. twviewer
        twviewer 1 July 2016 15: 07
        +4
        Quote: Altona
        The result is 15 children killed in the Samozero and spit on adults

        half of the children do not know how to swim, do not navigate the terrain, do not know the laws of survival, the backpack is not able to correctly lay down, what is now the NVP if there are no basics? You only need to blame yourself, we were taught this for free. As I remember now: every spring in the Caucasus in the mountains, legs swing :) then for the summer sports camp, how many people can pay this now ??? I’m silent about winter.
  3. HAM
    HAM 1 July 2016 12: 24
    +7
    It's time.
  4. Simon
    Simon 1 July 2016 12: 25
    +7
    Surely, I am only FOR! Young people need to be educated in the spirit of patriotism! soldier
    1. 2224460
      2224460 1 July 2016 12: 28
      +3
      The General Staff offered to restore the subject of "initial military training" in schools.
      I support both the General Staff and you, with both hands "FOR".
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    3. DenZ
      DenZ 1 July 2016 12: 29
      +5
      Quote: Simon
      Surely, I am only FOR! Young people need to be educated in the spirit of patriotism

      The point is not only and not so much in patriotism as how, God forbid, happen to save as many of the population as possible. Informed means armed. So, if necessary, you won’t get on the Internet either (it’s unlikely to work) and you won’t read textbooks (there will be no time)
    4. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 1 July 2016 22: 05
      0
      here and try - go to school- spend- no- try a couple of drill sessions :) - the question is who will build someone ...- time is a little lost and teachers will not be able to pull the subject to the previous level- motivation of schoolchildren is needed- and the school itself doesn’t will be able
  5. BARKAS
    BARKAS 1 July 2016 12: 25
    +6
    I don’t understand how it was possible to cancel the NVP if there was a general military draft in the country! request
    1. rabbi's pais
      rabbi's pais 1 July 2016 12: 46
      +2
      Quote: BARKAS
      I don’t understand how it was possible to cancel the NVP if there was a general military draft in the country! request

      So this is the same, we had a friend Bill and there were no enemies, as the filthy liberals from all the TVs claimed. There, when I went to school, I was no longer there. And by the way, labor lessons (also vitally necessary to resume) began to be massively curtailed. in many educational institutions the machines were stupidly absent or were broken, and of course the Trudoviks fell down in poverty from poverty.
  6. Smoked
    Smoked 1 July 2016 12: 25
    +10
    Yes, it's high time
  7. sever.56
    sever.56 1 July 2016 12: 25
    +7
    The Ministry of Education and Science is engaged in training on Western patterns. One exam is worth.
    Livanov will resist as soon as he can. He’s so good at educating bogies who count how many there will be two or two — they think on a calculator, and they’re definitely not sure which work of Dostoevsky Mu-mu threw Anna Karenina under the train, and they want to impose on him a very necessary thing.
    1. Riv
      Riv 1 July 2016 12: 53
      -7
      So after all, the CWP will just help "educate dummies." In the best traditions, so to speak. "The soldier has a submachine gun attached to the gun."
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 1 July 2016 15: 01
        +3
        Honorable, did you serve in the army and how was it? In the Soviet Union, the CWP course was compulsory and in every city or village there was a school. Now let's see what the classes were in terms of the number of students (average number 30), and now the question: everything turned out: “... there is a machine gun, put to the gun?” Even Solzhenitsyn and Co. did not even think of this, otherwise where did they come from? To our great chagrin, all these librarians ** darast studied with us
        1. Riv
          Riv 2 July 2016 07: 57
          0
          A quote, by the way, from Frederick the Great. He understood something in the soldiers.

          Specifically, I was promoted to sergeant and deputy platoon commander not by the school camp and even the summer summer camp in high school (and they weren’t even hiding from us what was being prepared for Afghanistan), but by my serious attitude to the classes in sergeant training. Before her, I could catch up on the bar eight times. In a day. After her - twice on one arm. On any. In part, it was enough to show this trick once on charging and all problems with the hacks disappeared automatically.

          So: Frederick was right. A soldier should not think. If a soldier thinks, then he has nothing to do, but this should not be.
  8. PROSTEEL
    PROSTEEL 1 July 2016 12: 28
    +3
    Class 7 or 9 is what you need! good
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 1 July 2016 13: 04
      +2
      Hay he
      Quote: PROSTEEL
      Class 7 or 9 is what you need!

      Our city is on the border and on a straight line to China less than a kilometer. Maybe because of the geographical location of our city, maybe there was such a time, I don’t know? But from the age of 10, we guys were really guys and were trying to draw us into the military and military-technical circles that were at schools and military schools. At that time in our city there were FEFA and BVTKU, there were no problems where to deal. But since 1965, we have introduced NVP and I don’t think that it was bad. Because we already knew what we would face in the army. Therefore, I I think that NVP is needed. If you become a photo, you can look at the Chinese Hei-He. Which through Cupid.
  9. clerk theophan
    clerk theophan 1 July 2016 12: 30
    +2
    and teachers - who will be ??? military pensioners again ?? as in my school years (the 80s) - there was a teacher in NVP .. he still Chapaev and Budyonny remembered
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 July 2016 12: 32
    +1
    What was eliminated in the training system and broken in the 90s is gradually returning today. These are NVP, and DOSAAF, and vocational schools (FZO). That's just how much time is lost.
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 1 July 2016 15: 48
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      That's just how much time is lost.

      yes better late than never
  11. atamankko
    atamankko 1 July 2016 12: 36
    +1
    It was better to think with your EGE head
    when the NWP was canceled, the reformers are bad.
  12. vadimtt
    vadimtt 1 July 2016 12: 37
    +3
    My favorite subject at school was laughing Good if returned.
    Only one "radiation reconnaissance of the area" at recess with DP-5 was worth what laughing
    1. Shuttle
      Shuttle 1 July 2016 12: 47
      +6
      Quote: vadimtt
      My favorite subject at school was laughing Good if returned.
      Only one "radiation reconnaissance of the area" at recess with DP-5 was worth what laughing

      And my favorite exercise was disassembling / assembling AK. Even despite pinched and bruised fingers.
      1. Altona
        Altona 1 July 2016 12: 58
        +2
        Quote: Shuttle
        And my favorite exercise was disassembling / assembling AK. Even despite pinched and bruised fingers.

        -----------------------
        In the army, AKM turned out to be a tighter nut for incomplete disassembly, where the removal of parts required much more effort than on a school machine, which was blown up by many generations of schoolchildren.
    2. Altona
      Altona 1 July 2016 12: 55
      +4
      Quote: vadimtt
      Only one "radiation reconnaissance of the area" at recess with DP-5 was worth what

      ---------------------
      OZK also tried to wear with the notorious "crocodiles" and gas masks. The flag semaphore was studied. The girls underwent military-sanitary training - transportation of the wounded, dressing and splints. Orientation on the terrain and exit to the desired point - in the initial view, of course, reading the symbols on the map and using the compass.
  13. Arkan
    Arkan 1 July 2016 12: 41
    +3
    It is high time and summer camps with tents and shooting to return.
  14. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 1 July 2016 12: 47
    +2
    It is high time to bring these victims to his senses. I can imagine how liberals from the Ministry of Education and Science will start jumping up and down about "overwhelmed children", "fragile children's psyche", the commission-board will be offered to collect, a nationwide discussion ... Kazzly. Here you need a strong-willed decision. And not 1 hour per week CWP.
  15. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 1 July 2016 12: 55
    +7
    Among other favorite textbooks, I saved this one on the bookshelf.
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 1 July 2016 15: 51
      +1
      Quote: Red_Hamer
      Among other favorite textbooks, I saved this one on the bookshelf.

      envy white envy smile such a rarity ...
  16. Riv
    Riv 1 July 2016 13: 00
    +2
    In fact, 1 hour of NVP per week is either very little or very much. I will explain.

    Dressing a person in uniform takes about two minutes, from strength. Did he become a soldier? Nichrome. To learn the drill step - if you seriously engage in drill drill, then this is six months, a couple of hours a day.
    Disassemble AK can learn in half an hour. This also will not make the military. To correctly apply the same AK (at least in hand-to-hand combat), there are few years of classes.
    But there is no need to talk about military specialties. This is not a year or two studies.

    So what is needed is not classes in schools, but full-fledged summer camps with a military-patriotic bias. Three weeks, no less.
    1. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 1 July 2016 13: 36
      +3
      In addition to the NWP, summer fees were also included! In the 80s there were still!
      1. vadimtt
        vadimtt 1 July 2016 13: 47
        +3
        Yes, yes, an unforgettable experience! Especially check in the chamber the correct selection and putting on a gas mask. Chemistry is not fooled there and you are not cheating like in a lesson crying laughing
    2. Fitter
      Fitter 1 July 2016 23: 09
      0
      And we had both. Year - NVP (with OZK, AK and small cars in the shooting range). And at the beginning of June - training camp for 2 weeks with the guys - "sergeants" who have passed the Afghan.
  17. samarin1969
    samarin1969 1 July 2016 13: 01
    +2
    It is high time! Only less drill and more work: with AK, the basics of the "survival course", the basics of the Charter, excursions to the HF.
    P.S. passed "military training" at the son of grade 10.
    For 30 people - 1 air from a shooting gallery, plastic bottles with sand (such as grenades), 7 wooden machine guns. Two engineer shovels took turns trenching the trench. Cross - 1km. The physical education of the neighboring schools led this whole booth. request
  18. viktor.
    viktor. 1 July 2016 13: 02
    +1
    only FOR class with 5 hi drinks
  19. DMB3000
    DMB3000 1 July 2016 13: 04
    +1
    Quote: tiredwithall
    "The need for this step is long overdue" and oh, how overripe!
    Both textbooks and programs should be taken from the Soviet Union, and one must begin with the seventh grade.

    OBZH begin to study from 7th grade to 11th grade. The subject of life safety includes NVP with 10 (two quarters) in grade 11 (three quarters) of study time. The rest of the time it is the Fundamentals of Medical Knowledge and Assistance with and knowledge of Civil Defense. Eaglet and Zarnitsa are also held. The status of a teacher was previously at the level of deputy director. Now this status has been removed. Salary lowered. The salary was 6500 rubles / month. This is 7-8 years ago.
  20. Wolka
    Wolka 1 July 2016 13: 07
    +1
    and rightly so, the main thing is that it doesn’t work out as always ...
  21. cap
    cap 1 July 2016 13: 19
    +1
    I have been expecting this for a long time. And finally he waited.
    Glory to God came to leadership.
  22. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 1 July 2016 13: 20
    +3
    Quote: stalkerwalker

    Eh, youth ...
    "Zarnitsa", disassembly-assembly of the AK in 30-35 sec ..

    when they called to serve no problems either with the machine gun or with the drill unit never arose. And he went willingly to serve. The NVP was led by a veteran of the Great Patriotic War and gave many things in the classroom from personal experience, went through the war from a platoon commander to a tank battalion commander. It has long been necessary to introduce.
    1. Altona
      Altona 1 July 2016 13: 31
      +2
      Quote: Hariton Laptev
      when they called to serve no problems either with the machine gun or with the drill unit never arose. And he went willingly to serve. The NVP was led by a veteran of the Great Patriotic War and gave many things in the classroom from personal experience, went through the war from a platoon commander to a tank battalion commander. It has long been necessary to introduce.

      --------------------------
      Our NVP was led by a retired Major Yumanov, "yuman" in Chuvash is oak, so they called him Dubov behind his back. Of course, classes on incomplete disassembly and assembly of AK and all kinds of shooting from pneumatics and small cars were interesting. But sometimes 10 minutes were devoted to etching all kinds of tales, there was no Internet and forums. Therefore, we sat and listened that "we have missiles capable of sinking enemy squadrons" and "planes capable of fighting three aliens, but as you understand, the characteristics are strictly classified", and other such things. laughing
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 1 July 2016 15: 57
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        "we have missiles capable of sinking enemy squadrons" and "aircraft capable of fighting three aliens, but as you understand, the characteristics are strictly classified", and other such things.

        this is not an anecdote. In response to political information, the officer was asked how many missiles were on the submarine, I don't remember which one. the answer is a masterpiece, I still remember, I quote literally. "the corresponding submarine carries the corresponding number of the corresponding missiles"
  23. sergey2017
    sergey2017 1 July 2016 13: 28
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: sergey2017
    familiarization with the theory of shooting and the ability to correctly aim

    As the practice of shooting with AK showed, and the first time I shot it according to the pattern that we studied at school, the pattern turned out to be complete bullshit. 0 out of 30 shots from 50 meters.
    When they looked at my target and asked, “You shot with your eyes closed, I answered,” So at school they taught you to take it lower and you’ll get there. sad
    Quote: sergey2017
    Protection against Weapons of Mass Destruction (ZOMP),

    It was also an unforgettable experience, presented everyone with a gas mask and a military first-aid kit with .... Taren. It is better not to recall this horror.

    We carried out the first shooting from the AK for NVP in the field on the territory of the Kantemirovsk division in accordance with all the statutory requirements of the USSR Armed Forces! I do not know where you were trained, but thirty shots were not allowed to be fired! Five approaches of three maximum! Here "la-la" with closed eyes is not necessary! You probably did not preach a regular military man, from here and knowledge about Weapons of Mass Destruction!
  24. PValery53
    PValery53 1 July 2016 13: 30
    +3
    Initial military training at school should be a separate subject. And to teach there not only military affairs proper, but also a sense of duty and discipline, patriotism. The current slackness and mood only for entertainment is discouraging.
    1. sergey2017
      sergey2017 1 July 2016 13: 46
      +2
      NVP was a separate subject! Patriotism, discipline it all was! Now, at the present time, it will be difficult for young people to teach this subject! On this subject should lead military personnel discharged into the reserve, trained in pedagogical universities!
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 1 July 2016 21: 49
        0
        Quote: sergey2017
        On this subject should lead Personnel military fired, trained at pedagogical universities!



        Ahem ... It is unlikely that modern pedagogical humanistic tendencies will be able to combine with the views on NVP of a cadre military ...

        A modern student can easily send a teacher to hell, and there will be nothing for him ...
        Now imagine a similar picture at the NVP ...
        Today's youth may not like it ... Someone blurted out something ... Well, how should a military officer react, with a "humanistic" approach ??? I'm not saying to beat the muzzles, it just killed me that they offer a career military pensioner to also graduate from educational programs at the pedagogical institute ...

        Here you can be sure right away - those who want to teach NVP at school will be beaten off from regular military personnel ...
  25. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 1 July 2016 13: 37
    +4
    Following the restoration of DOSAAF ..., good Another would be the restoration in flying clubs of free training for recruits of paratroopers of the 3rd category (3 jumps).
  26. Rav_Poroh
    Rav_Poroh 1 July 2016 13: 37
    +1
    It was high time to return. One of my favorite subjects was at school and I really liked the textbook. True, it took only one year to study it, then OBZH appeared. The school uniform still needs to be returned, albeit not the same throughout the country, but at least your own in each school (or class, for example, according to the general choice of parents), it is possible with the "chevrons" of the corresponding educational institution. In general, it is necessary to return the general patriotic education in the country, which was in the USSR, the October-pioneers-Komsomol members. Alternatively, the Young Guard pioneer eagles.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 1 July 2016 15: 14
      0
      The school uniform has already been introduced, though they are wearing it, but do not you know?
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 1 July 2016 16: 00
      0
      Quote: Rav_Poroh
      The school uniform still needs to be returned, albeit not the same throughout the country, but at least its own in each school (or class, for example, according to the general choice of parents),

      They have been talking about this for a long time. the student must be proud of his school. hence patriotism grows
      1. 31R-US
        31R-US 1 July 2016 17: 51
        +1
        "be proud of your school"
        I agree with you one hundred percent about the form, but on the account of being proud of the school, if you show me a photo where my child is studying, believe it will be a miserable sight, as well as if they introduce a non-formal educational institution, which will be a miserable likeness. In schools, I still have chairs in the 80s did machines.
  27. Rambylbafen
    Rambylbafen 1 July 2016 13: 48
    +2
    it took almost 30 years to understand that NVP is a very necessary thing belay , I wonder how much it will take now to introduce to schools and where they will take specialists laughing
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 1 July 2016 13: 55
      +7
      Quote: rambylbafen
      I wonder how much it will take now to introduce to schools and where they will take specialists

      Any retired SA / RA officer is a ready teacher of the NVP. Do not forget this, do not drink ... laughing
  28. prior
    prior 1 July 2016 14: 02
    +3
    Well, right - "back to the future".

    This means that not everything was so bad under "damned socialism."

    And even to ban advertising - everything and everywhere (zadolbali gaskets).
  29. Yves762
    Yves762 1 July 2016 14: 58
    +5
    Strongly "For"!
    But only on condition that this will be supervised by the Moscow Region, and Shoigu personally.
    The Ministry of Education and Science must be driven away from the topic by sc ... with rags.
  30. Engineer
    Engineer 1 July 2016 15: 14
    +3
    "If schools, instead of English, were taught to disassemble and assemble a Kalashnikov assault rifle, now the whole world would speak Russian."
  31. PValery53
    PValery53 1 July 2016 16: 29
    0
    English to know - "never too late and not too early for anyone!" - It doesn't hurt to receive greetings from the host. And the rest - you have to dare and everything will work out! - And ideology - it will follow!
  32. acetophenon
    acetophenon 1 July 2016 16: 57
    +1
    My classmates and I had fun at the NVP. Disassembly of incomplete AKM - 7 seconds. Assembly - 11.
    It is understood that the specimen was fragmented.
    1. PValery53
      PValery53 1 July 2016 17: 23
      +1
      In addition to high-speed assembly-disassembly of the machine there is also a knowledge of Russian military secrets - the endless love and dedication of our Russia.
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  34. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 1 July 2016 18: 32
    +2
    Departments in universities return bl ... in!
  35. masiya
    masiya 1 July 2016 19: 00
    +1
    It wasn’t necessary to destroy, in any era of adolescents it was necessary to prepare for the defense of the Fatherland, and it’s not important what it will be called, only our pseudo-leaders in the late 80s, 90s profiled all this, when they started with tagged, they finished, and then finished Serdyukov’s girls, not to educate young people, then the exam, not to educate a patriotic ... why the guns if there is economics and management, we’ll buy everything and soldier and weapons, the prime minister (former prezik) promised ... but it turned out not bought and did not come out lava full ...
  36. gur4enk
    gur4enk 1 July 2016 19: 05
    0
    Very correct decision !!! Since you look at the current recruits, you understand that what I took for granted when it came time to put on my boots now causes confusion and bewilderment.
  37. Sergey956
    Sergey956 1 July 2016 19: 59
    +1
    I support the return of the NVP course to school. I still remember my first school cap of Kusmartsev Yevgeny Mikhailovich, although many years have already passed. Stop raising boys with chubby priests at school. Graduates must be able to handle weapons before the army.
  38. konvalval
    konvalval 1 July 2016 20: 24
    +1
    Everything returns (from the USSR "cursed" by the liberals) to square one.
  39. dvg1959
    dvg1959 1 July 2016 22: 02
    +1
    The younger generation has forgotten that the defense of the Fatherland is the sacred duty of every citizen.
    The return of this consciousness is a great thing.
  40. izGOI
    izGOI 1 July 2016 23: 42
    0
    charged with working out the Ministry of Education and Science together with the Ministry of Defense
    But this problem should be solved by the Ministry of Defense, and with a minimal glance at the Ministry of Education and Science, otherwise the question will be "blabbed" again
  41. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 1 July 2016 23: 57
    0
    Quote: Mareman Vasilich
    Wait, what about anti-Soviet ideology? After all, the NVP is the introduction of the Bolsheviks, the USSR.

    Mareman, you are behind the times !!!
    Since then, as our "elite" threw, devoured, burned the membership cards, nothing threatens us!
    Moreover, it was a long time ago, no one, nothing !!! stop
  42. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 00: 23
    0
    Quote: konvalval
    Everything returns (from the USSR "cursed" by the liberals) to square one.

    Unfortunately, not from above, but from below !!! Lots of historical and pseudo-historical examples, RESULT ONE!
    Friendship defeats Greed!
    Communism and Socialism were not invented by US, in Russia !!!
    Disappointed in the ideological pogrom, killing millions of people really, having tried EVERYTHING and almost DESTROYED, they are still afraid of Russia !!!
  43. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 2 July 2016 00: 32
    0
    It is high time!!!
  44. earloop
    earloop 2 July 2016 00: 35
    +2
    Useful suggestion! And if with elements of physical fitness, then it will be good for health.
  45. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 00: 44
    0
    Quote: earloop
    Useful suggestion! And if with elements of physical fitness, then it will be good for health.

    You forget about the Ministry of Defense! You will not be allowed to cripple young souls!
    Tales - this is quite another matter!
    [img] https://yandex.ru/images/search?img_url=http://xn--v1aaa.doskaurala.ru/orim
    g / 99483-43.jpg & p = 2 & text = student earned photo advertisement & noreask = 1 & pos = 76 & rpt = simage & lr = 2 [/ img]

    And who will WORK, INVENT, SEARCH ????
  46. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 2 July 2016 01: 18
    0
    I still remember there is even a pennant for the cross and the badge. And I went to the lightning through our NVP. And when it was issued, poured royal alcohol into a sleeve from 152 mm, for 2 days he did not go to work))
  47. would
    would 3 July 2016 08: 32
    +1
    It's a sound idea, but we (and not only here) have the main question in the final implementation. Whatever happens to the current life safety where they bandage, save the drowning, provide first aid only and exclusively on paper. I think that life safety ultimately turned into empty formalities to speak and not have to. NVP is a complicated matter: we need specialists who are able to give both the necessary physical exercises and much more specialized knowledge, the kids will need to be driven out to the equipped sites to get real knowledge. That is, at least take it to the shooting range (there are no weapons in schools for some unknown years) and hand over small arms with a certain number of cartridges, take it to the training ground (or "homemade analogue") in full gear and practice knowledge there.

    And this is, after all, all the money of which is not so much, this is all really serious work and the organizational process. And in fact, at best, not every school can provide this. It’s much more attractive and less expensive to just put the kids in the classroom where they will write a permanent dictation, give them one MMG Kalashnikova who is so broken that she can figure it out from one of my sneezes, and maybe ... maybe if I get out of luck them in some kind of shooting range where they will make 3 shots of small things. That is, to arrange the next imitation of training, the next life safety program in the framework of which there is no need to really do anything and formally everything is done.

    So, knowing the Russian realities, I am extremely and extremely skeptical about the final performance. Here, commonplace first aid courses were not something that they could not, but did not even try, and NVP is far from just first aid.
  48. yuriy55
    yuriy55 3 July 2016 09: 29
    0
    Yah!!! wassat Maybe the service in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will become an honorable duty, but without this service, no one will have the right to hold positions in government? belay I’m hearing just the same:
  49. Old warrior
    Old warrior 3 July 2016 11: 14
    +1
    It would be nice. Although not an indicator. In general, it’s a worthy subject (my favorite, along with the story). And I shoot the machine well. soldier repeat drinks
  50. Old military officer
    Old military officer 3 July 2016 11: 35
    +2
    I happened to work as a military commander in a school for the last 7 years of Soviet power, so this issue worries me very much. Recovery of CWP is necessary like air. And holding camps in grade 10 for 2 weeks, in grade 11 - one. It is quite difficult and not cheap, but very useful for young men. Take money from all sorts of newfangled courses, such as the foundations of religion and other "tolerance". The personnel issue is very complicated, personal observations, of the officers who were transferred to the reserve, who became military instructors, hardly 10% stay in school. And as many of them become real specialists. A very special audience. And yet - the general law - children need to be loved. Ask them like soldiers, but always remember that they are schoolchildren. They need to gain authority and then you will succeed. To restore the status of a military commander in the same volume, that is, at the school he has one boss - the director, all the rest insofar as. Reduce the maximum amount of writing. To equip and equip the NVP office and shooting gallery, even if it is pneumatic. Now about the students: all their rights at training camps and classes on CWP at school are determined by the Charter of the Internal Service. Failure to pass fees without a valid reason automatically denies the right to final exams and obtain a high school diploma. With the normal organization of the training camp, the student practically passes the KMB and, which is much more important, prepares psychologically for the service. For the first time, young men find themselves in an environment where there are only men in uniform around them. Women are health care workers and cooks. No one squeals or splashes saliva like Mary Ivanna. They turn to you, but the requirements of the officers should be strictly followed. For 19 days of training, the young man managed to learn a lot, including about himself. 2 times on guard, 2 times by orderlies worth a lot. In short, having arrived at the conscription unit and received uniforms, he already knew how to approach the chief, how to leave the chief ... He did not have any complexes about the change of civil status. My disciples who had served their due came to my school and shared their impressions and everyone emphasized the benefits of the CWP. Well, as a small example. At the training camp, the students independently mastered the army obstacle course, and no one drove them onto it. The principle was that my friends can, and what am I worse? The fathers, with rare exceptions, were pleased and approved of the activities of their sons. Maybe I spoke a little chaotically, but the Pepsi generation has already got it all the way.