The General Staff offered to restore the subject of "initial military training" in schools.

The Russian military offered to restore elementary military training in schools as a separate subject, reports TASS a message from the head of the General Organizational Office of the General Staff Vasily Tonoshkurov.

“It is proposed to work out the issue of withdrawing training on the fundamentals of military service from the training program on the basics of life safety and restoring a separate subject of study in schools and educational institutions of secondary vocational education“ initial military training ”. I think that the need for this step is long overdue ”,

said the general at the on-site meeting of the commission on the preparation of Russian citizens for military service.

He noted that "the question of the expediency of allocating military training into a separate subject is entrusted to work the Ministry of Education and Science together with the Ministry of Defense and other federal executive bodies."

Comments

[tiredwithall]

"The need for this step is long overdue" and oh, how overripe!
Both textbooks and programs should be taken from the Soviet Union, and one must begin with the seventh grade.

[cniza]

This will never hurt anyone, but the benefits are obvious.

[Tatyana]

With two hands "for"! And you need to start with the upcoming new 2016-2017 academic year.

[Alex_Rarog]

Hands and feet !!!!! And what would the former military teachers !!! And preferably not those that asses sit out !!!

[Temples]

This is how many captains will be needed at once!
Where can I get so much?
On the other hand, the prepared guys will go to the army.
At least they can disassemble-assemble the machine.
Hurrah!

NVP is one of the most memorable subjects for most graduates !!!
We still remember our cap !!!

And what would the former military teachers!

How else???
Otherwise it will be crap.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Temples

Otherwise it will be crap.

- Even if you enter ONLY NVP, it will not give much; it is imperative to conduct summer camps for senior schoolchildren before the call, to prepare them for life in the field. Indeed, for today's mouse-fornication, even a bonfire is a problem! And physically you need to pump them up in advance!

[Escobar]

Ends 2021, and things are still there

[coolvoldik]

One can imagine what the questions on the EG on initial military training will look like.
AKM is:
1. Means for contraception.
2. Favorite dog Gerasim
3. A device for automatic firing of bullets.

[Baloo]

“It is proposed to work out the issue of withdrawing training in the basics of military service from the training program on the basics of life safety and the restoration of a separate subject of instruction in schools and educational institutions of secondary vocational education“ initial military training ”.
I did not wear epaulets, but I support it.

[Mareman Vasilich]

Wait, what about anti-Soviet ideology? After all, the NVP is the introduction of the Bolsheviks, the USSR.

[weksha50]

Quote: Mareman Vasilich

Wait, what about anti-Soviet ideology? After all, the NVP is the introduction of the Bolsheviks, the USSR.

Vasilich, the irony failed ...

According to the Constitution, we have NO ideology ...
And what kind of ideology can be incorporated into the initial military training, besides the upbringing of patriotism?
Patriotism for one’s country does not depend absolutely on its political system or on many other factors ...

[Warrior Hamilton]

The Yeltsin’s constitution is vile, in which the ideology is allegedly absent ........
The villains' dream is coming true - a state without braces that unite the peoples in it living surrounded by former "brothers" who are building their own national socialisms. We need "without ideological patriots" who have passed the CWP at school, cheerfully joining the only allies - the Army and the Navy, thank God, now also the National Guard, to protect the interests in Syria of those who stole pensions from their parents and lives in London.

Patriotism for one’s country does not depend absolutely on its political system or on many other factors ... [/ Quote]
Bravo! I applaud you while standing!

[Warrior Hamilton]

In response to the minus:
Ideology is principles. For example: "Give gas to every Russian family!" Is a very dangerous principle ...... In order to feed the Federal Reserve System of a foreign country, you need fraudulent and unprincipled, and they must be protected and guarded by honest, compliant, highly professional marines and pilots who are pristine from any ideology, ready to lay down their wings in the next Republic of Bindibu, for the glory of Gazprom and Turkish tomatoes. Come on, I have no time .... I also need to bring Professor Gaidar's books to the Yeltsin Center library, and in the evening an interesting film on TV, about how our army reconnaissance artillerymen are tortured by the bloody GEBnya after each raid behind enemy lines. I'll see if I have time, otherwise I must honor the memory of General Morenheim, thank God who died in Bose not with us ...

[Lukich]

Quote: cniza

This will never hurt anyone, but the benefits are obvious.

on myself in SA experienced the positive aspects of this subject

[subbtin.725]

Everything new is well forgotten old. Many more good things from the times of the USSR will return. We would have gotten to education.

[Lukich]

Quote: subbtin.725

. Before education would have reached.

the first task is to remove an ugly animal called the exam

[RUS96]

It's time. At one time it was one of my favorite subjects. Not least thanks to the teacher Demyanov Nikolai Vasilievich.

[Vend]

Quote: tiredwithall

"The need for this step is long overdue" and oh, how overripe!
Both textbooks and programs should be taken from the Soviet Union, and one must begin with the seventh grade.

The idea is good, the question is in the teachers. I remember how we treated this subject and the teacher. Frankly, I do not care. And no one said thanks for this training, even those from our class who later fought in Chechnya. Here we need a system, we need to start from the first class, so that by the seventh we develop respect for the subject. And yet, less theory, more practice. Shooting, disassembling a machine gun, throwing grenades was more interesting to us. than to read the textbook. We need training films, they are in the archives. but you need to shoot new ones.

[Rus2012]

Quote: Wend

The idea is good, the question is in the teachers.

/// in my school, a teacher on NVP (then the subject was only introduced) was a physics teacher who managed to fight back in the Far East, was the captain of the reserve ...
Naturally, they treated him with dignity. And he is appropriately. There was a lot of practice - a whole class with a weapon: training RPD, AKS, SKS ... From the military - with a dozen TOZ-8. They shot at least several times a month. Moreover, sometimes alone, the teacher appointed a couple of elders. gave out cartridges - a dozen on the nose ... and we are building with TOZs spanked at the shooting range - a ravine on the edge of the village. Put up a cordon ... and shot from the heart :)))
In the summer - to the camps: hikes along a given route, crosses, orienteering, "hunting for foxes", even shooting, and already with the AK (military commissar brought) ...

Wait a moment, such a picture - only of schoolchildren with weapons - hardly even in a nightmare would anyone allow ...
But, in our time it was!

[delvin-fil]

Wait a moment, such a picture - only of schoolchildren with weapons - hardly even in a nightmare would anyone allow ...

That's just it ... Have played enough of all sorts of "disagreements" and "Anrils" and think that they understand weapons (and behavior with them) better than the military. Look at any near-military forum - the hair on the back of the head is moving from horror. Such is carried ...
Yes, and at eighteen, when they come to the Army, you have to literally knock dope (not physically).
I will never forget one of my guards (I was at TSO). Yearlings from posts brought. So they, instead of carrying out the discharge in front of the bullet catcher, began to spin around and drive trunks !!! Everyone lay in the mud, right down to NK.

[your1970]

the problem is enough teachers
They are now in general a problem, the average age is around 67 (!!!!!!!!!!) years ...
Given the fact that schools in the country 42 600 - find so many former military consonants to work for a penny at school (write notes, fill out magazines, put deuces, drive boobies, etc.) is problematic, or rather unrealistic .....
In the days of the USSR it was a little easier - the army was much larger and salaries of teachers were normal ..
In general, it would be nice - but it is unlikely that it will work out, they will most likely be assigned women among themselves - so as not to increase the staff and raise the salary in extra hours

[Baloo]

In the summer - to the camps: hikes along a given route, crosses, orienteering, "hunting for foxes", even shooting, and already with the AK (military commissar brought) ...
You are lucky, a little envy. I wanted to send my grandson to such a camp, a little expensive for the money, they didn’t pull it.

[Monarchist]

You have the right way of thinking, and some people tend to think that life safety is the best. Indeed, a theory without practice and clarity is a waste of time and money

[delvin-fil]

Shoot, disassemble the machine, throw grenades, we were more interested

Theory is equally important. The same tactics, coordination of combat units. To do this, conduct military-patriotic games like "Zarnitsa".

[Lukich]

Quote: delvin-fil

To do this, conduct military-patriotic games like "Zarnitsa".

now, after this word, nastalgia attacked ...

[weksha50]

Quote: Wend

The idea is good, the question is in the teachers. I remember how we treated this subject and the teacher. Frankly, I don't care

Well, this can be said about any subject and teacher of this subject ...
Remember the school yourself ... We didn’t like many subjects, and as a rule, because of the personal qualities of the teachers ...

[Khariton]

It’s too late, but in principle it may work ... NVP! DOSSAF ... They all sacked and the boys would be happy, but there is nothing! The signs were left alone ... Football, hockey got the result ..? And so are the military ... It all starts with the province, there is a systematic selection! I remember all this ...
On account of this, it was clear in the USSR, they selected the most (from villages and townships, etc.) And in the industry it was like that .. They looked for smart and creative boys and then "led them" .... Now, ugh damn it ..

[matross]

Quote: Chariton

Too late

Yes, why? This is the INITIAL preparation of adolescents, the task is to instill basic skills. The basics of combat, AK tightly, RG in theory, charters, at least in terms of military ranks and greetings, reports ... somehow.
And yet, be sure, albeit at the top, the army of probable opponents - as a political guideline.

[gladcu2]

sailor

I would have approached the issue differently.

Soviet-style NWP lagged catastrophically. Drill training is certainly needed, but only for the army. By the way, I really need it. This is unlikely that someone will argue with me.

NVP must be considered as an element of the preparation of the militia. In the USSR they considered it as preparation for military service. In this concept, NVP is nonsense.

It can be suggested that several sets of "Warrior" be sent to school, for training to use at the speed of vesting in time. Or other competitive ways.

[Pilot]

Quote: Chariton

Too late,

C 1 class.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tiredwithall

e, and it is necessary to begin with the seventh class.

Why from the 7th, we had from the 5th.

[RUSS]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Why from the 7th, we had from the 5th.

And we already had only OBZH ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: RUSS

we already had only OBZH ...

We also had it, but it’s strange, something like that. We cut boards or files, did some garbage, and the girls cooked to eat. After a week we changed, we cooked what happened, and the girls ran with hammers and files

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Alexander Romanov
Why from the 7th, we had from the 5th.
And we already had only OBZH ...

Eh, youth ...
"Zarnitsa", disassembly-assembly of AK in 30-35 s ...
With whom to protect the country? It’s already being called up to the draft board, although in March 13th it was deregistered. Probably because of those who planed, planed. And it was unclear what ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: stalkerwalker

With whom to protect the country?

And I Che, I Che

[Lukich]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Why from the 7th, we had from the 5th.

the very thing. at this age of boyhood, curiosity and romance above the roof. the boys will be very willing to learn weapons. well and everything else. a word for teachers. how the subject will be served. fifth graders are not 18 year old men

[Sashka]

Well, they start from the 7th, approximately ... If they enter from the new school year, then until the hour of X, when this knowledge is useful, there remains a maximum of 5 years. It seems that the tops have long known when and what will begin.
Good day!

[joopel]

It is high time. Finally, common sense begins to conquer the delirium of Pacific liberalism. With the proper approach, this discipline will be not only useful, but also interesting for children.

[SRC P-15]

We studied AK at the CWP, but I never saw it in the army. We only had SKS carbines in our division. Here's a "squiggle". And they taught the charter and went to the shooting range, but if my memory serves me, then 1-2 times for all training. Often they only fired from "small cars".

[Lukich]

Quote: tiredwithall

"The need for this step is long overdue" and oh, how overripe!

it still had to be done the day before yesterday

[st1342]

I agree that my son will be 11 years old this year, he may catch it in time.

[Fitter]

From the seventh too early, no?

[PENZA]

And Serve in the Army for 2 years.

[dsm100]

Damn ... Of course it is. Just do not have to clean up the NVP. Breaking does not build ...

[Altona]

Quote: dsm100

Of course it is. Just do not have to clean up the NVP. Breaking does not build ...

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CWP was removed as part of the "humanization of education". I remember there were many shouts about "militarization", "the uselessness of such knowledge", etc. Although the main reason that this subject promotes actions in a team and, in general, the consistency of their actions with others, so as not to be a herd in case of danger. Replaced with some kind of life safety basics. The result is 15 children who died on Syamozero and adults do not care.

[twviewer]

Quote: Altona

The result is 15 children killed in the Samozero and spit on adults

half of the children do not know how to swim, do not navigate the terrain, do not know the laws of survival, the backpack is not able to correctly lay down, what is now the NVP if there are no basics? You only need to blame yourself, we were taught this for free. As I remember now: every spring in the Caucasus in the mountains, legs swing :) then for the summer sports camp, how many people can pay this now ??? I’m silent about winter.

[HAM]

It's time.

[Simon]

Surely, I am only FOR! Young people need to be educated in the spirit of patriotism!

[2224460]

The General Staff offered to restore the subject of "initial military training" in schools.

I support both the General Staff and you, with both hands "FOR".

[DenZ]

Quote: Simon

Surely, I am only FOR! Young people need to be educated in the spirit of patriotism

The point is not only and not so much in patriotism as how, God forbid, happen to save as many of the population as possible. Informed means armed. So, if necessary, you won’t get on the Internet either (it’s unlikely to work) and you won’t read textbooks (there will be no time)

[goblin xnumx]

here and try - go to school- spend- no- try a couple of drill sessions :) - the question is who will build someone ...- time is a little lost and teachers will not be able to pull the subject to the previous level- motivation of schoolchildren is needed- and the school itself doesn’t will be able

[BARKAS]

I don’t understand how it was possible to cancel the NVP if there was a general military draft in the country!

[rabbi's pais]

Quote: BARKAS

I don’t understand how it was possible to cancel the NVP if there was a general military draft in the country!

So this is the same, we had a friend Bill and there were no enemies, as the filthy liberals from all the TVs claimed. There, when I went to school, I was no longer there. And by the way, labor lessons (also vitally necessary to resume) began to be massively curtailed. in many educational institutions the machines were stupidly absent or were broken, and of course the Trudoviks fell down in poverty from poverty.

[Smoked]

Yes, it's high time

[sever.56]

The Ministry of Education and Science is engaged in training on Western patterns. One exam is worth.
Livanov will resist as soon as he can. He’s so good at educating bogies who count how many there will be two or two — they think on a calculator, and they’re definitely not sure which work of Dostoevsky Mu-mu threw Anna Karenina under the train, and they want to impose on him a very necessary thing.

[Riv]

So after all, the CWP will just help "educate dummies." In the best traditions, so to speak. "The soldier has a submachine gun attached to the gun."

[Monarchist]

Honorable, did you serve in the army and how was it? In the Soviet Union, the CWP course was compulsory and in every city or village there was a school. Now let's see what the classes were in terms of the number of students (average number 30), and now the question: everything turned out: “... there is a machine gun, put to the gun?” Even Solzhenitsyn and Co. did not even think of this, otherwise where did they come from? To our great chagrin, all these librarians ** darast studied with us

[Riv]

A quote, by the way, from Frederick the Great. He understood something in the soldiers.

Specifically, I was promoted to sergeant and deputy platoon commander not by the school camp and even the summer summer camp in high school (and they weren’t even hiding from us what was being prepared for Afghanistan), but by my serious attitude to the classes in sergeant training. Before her, I could catch up on the bar eight times. In a day. After her - twice on one arm. On any. In part, it was enough to show this trick once on charging and all problems with the hacks disappeared automatically.

So: Frederick was right. A soldier should not think. If a soldier thinks, then he has nothing to do, but this should not be.

[PROSTEEL]

Class 7 or 9 is what you need!

[Amurets]

Quote: PROSTEEL

Class 7 or 9 is what you need!

Our city is on the border and on a straight line to China less than a kilometer. Maybe because of the geographical location of our city, maybe there was such a time, I don’t know? But from the age of 10, we guys were really guys and were trying to draw us into the military and military-technical circles that were at schools and military schools. At that time in our city there were FEFA and BVTKU, there were no problems where to deal. But since 1965, we have introduced NVP and I don’t think that it was bad. Because we already knew what we would face in the army. Therefore, I I think that NVP is needed. If you become a photo, you can look at the Chinese Hei-He. Which through Cupid.

[clerk theophan]

and teachers - who will be ??? military pensioners again ?? as in my school years (the 80s) - there was a teacher in NVP .. he still Chapaev and Budyonny remembered

[rotmistr60]

What was eliminated in the training system and broken in the 90s is gradually returning today. These are NVP, and DOSAAF, and vocational schools (FZO). That's just how much time is lost.

[Lukich]

Quote: rotmistr60

That's just how much time is lost.

yes better late than never

[atamankko]

It was better to think with your EGE head
when the NWP was canceled, the reformers are bad.

[vadimtt]

My favorite subject at school was Good if returned.
Only one "radiation reconnaissance of the area" at recess with DP-5 was worth what

[Shuttle]

Quote: vadimtt

My favorite subject at school was Good if returned.
Only one "radiation reconnaissance of the area" at recess with DP-5 was worth what

And my favorite exercise was disassembling / assembling AK. Even despite pinched and bruised fingers.

[Altona]

Quote: Shuttle

And my favorite exercise was disassembling / assembling AK. Even despite pinched and bruised fingers.

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In the army, AKM turned out to be a tighter nut for incomplete disassembly, where the removal of parts required much more effort than on a school machine, which was blown up by many generations of schoolchildren.

[Altona]

Quote: vadimtt

Only one "radiation reconnaissance of the area" at recess with DP-5 was worth what

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OZK also tried to wear with the notorious "crocodiles" and gas masks. The flag semaphore was studied. The girls underwent military-sanitary training - transportation of the wounded, dressing and splints. Orientation on the terrain and exit to the desired point - in the initial view, of course, reading the symbols on the map and using the compass.

[Arkan]

It is high time and summer camps with tents and shooting to return.

[iliitchitch]

It is high time to bring these victims to his senses. I can imagine how liberals from the Ministry of Education and Science will start jumping up and down about "overwhelmed children", "fragile children's psyche", the commission-board will be offered to collect, a nationwide discussion ... Kazzly. Here you need a strong-willed decision. And not 1 hour per week CWP.

[Red_Hamer]

Among other favorite textbooks, I saved this one on the bookshelf.

[Lukich]

Quote: Red_Hamer

Among other favorite textbooks, I saved this one on the bookshelf.

envy white envy such a rarity ...

[Riv]

In fact, 1 hour of NVP per week is either very little or very much. I will explain.

Dressing a person in uniform takes about two minutes, from strength. Did he become a soldier? Nichrome. To learn the drill step - if you seriously engage in drill drill, then this is six months, a couple of hours a day.
Disassemble AK can learn in half an hour. This also will not make the military. To correctly apply the same AK (at least in hand-to-hand combat), there are few years of classes.
But there is no need to talk about military specialties. This is not a year or two studies.

So what is needed is not classes in schools, but full-fledged summer camps with a military-patriotic bias. Three weeks, no less.

[Red_Hamer]

In addition to the NWP, summer fees were also included! In the 80s there were still!

[vadimtt]

Yes, yes, an unforgettable experience! Especially check in the chamber the correct selection and putting on a gas mask. Chemistry is not fooled there and you are not cheating like in a lesson

[Fitter]

And we had both. Year - NVP (with OZK, AK and small cars in the shooting range). And at the beginning of June - training camp for 2 weeks with the guys - "sergeants" who have passed the Afghan.

[samarin1969]

It is high time! Only less drill and more work: with AK, the basics of the "survival course", the basics of the Charter, excursions to the HF.
P.S. passed "military training" at the son of grade 10.
For 30 people - 1 air from a shooting gallery, plastic bottles with sand (such as grenades), 7 wooden machine guns. Two engineer shovels took turns trenching the trench. Cross - 1km. The physical education of the neighboring schools led this whole booth.

[viktor.]

only FOR class with 5

[DMB3000]

Quote: tiredwithall

"The need for this step is long overdue" and oh, how overripe!
Both textbooks and programs should be taken from the Soviet Union, and one must begin with the seventh grade.

OBZH begin to study from 7th grade to 11th grade. The subject of life safety includes NVP with 10 (two quarters) in grade 11 (three quarters) of study time. The rest of the time it is the Fundamentals of Medical Knowledge and Assistance with and knowledge of Civil Defense. Eaglet and Zarnitsa are also held. The status of a teacher was previously at the level of deputy director. Now this status has been removed. Salary lowered. The salary was 6500 rubles / month. This is 7-8 years ago.

[Wolka]

and rightly so, the main thing is that it doesn’t work out as always ...

[cap]

I have been expecting this for a long time. And finally he waited.
Glory to God came to leadership.

[Hariton laptev]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Eh, youth ...
"Zarnitsa", disassembly-assembly of the AK in 30-35 sec ..

when they called to serve no problems either with the machine gun or with the drill unit never arose. And he went willingly to serve. The NVP was led by a veteran of the Great Patriotic War and gave many things in the classroom from personal experience, went through the war from a platoon commander to a tank battalion commander. It has long been necessary to introduce.

[Altona]

Quote: Hariton Laptev

when they called to serve no problems either with the machine gun or with the drill unit never arose. And he went willingly to serve. The NVP was led by a veteran of the Great Patriotic War and gave many things in the classroom from personal experience, went through the war from a platoon commander to a tank battalion commander. It has long been necessary to introduce.

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Our NVP was led by a retired Major Yumanov, "yuman" in Chuvash is oak, so they called him Dubov behind his back. Of course, classes on incomplete disassembly and assembly of AK and all kinds of shooting from pneumatics and small cars were interesting. But sometimes 10 minutes were devoted to etching all kinds of tales, there was no Internet and forums. Therefore, we sat and listened that "we have missiles capable of sinking enemy squadrons" and "planes capable of fighting three aliens, but as you understand, the characteristics are strictly classified", and other such things.

[Lukich]

Quote: Altona

"we have missiles capable of sinking enemy squadrons" and "aircraft capable of fighting three aliens, but as you understand, the characteristics are strictly classified", and other such things.

this is not an anecdote. In response to political information, the officer was asked how many missiles were on the submarine, I don't remember which one. the answer is a masterpiece, I still remember, I quote literally. "the corresponding submarine carries the corresponding number of the corresponding missiles"

[sergey2017]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: sergey2017

familiarization with the theory of shooting and the ability to correctly aim

As the practice of shooting with AK showed, and the first time I shot it according to the pattern that we studied at school, the pattern turned out to be complete bullshit. 0 out of 30 shots from 50 meters.
When they looked at my target and asked, “You shot with your eyes closed, I answered,” So at school they taught you to take it lower and you’ll get there.

Quote: sergey2017

Protection against Weapons of Mass Destruction (ZOMP),

It was also an unforgettable experience, presented everyone with a gas mask and a military first-aid kit with .... Taren. It is better not to recall this horror.

We carried out the first shooting from the AK for NVP in the field on the territory of the Kantemirovsk division in accordance with all the statutory requirements of the USSR Armed Forces! I do not know where you were trained, but thirty shots were not allowed to be fired! Five approaches of three maximum! Here "la-la" with closed eyes is not necessary! You probably did not preach a regular military man, from here and knowledge about Weapons of Mass Destruction!

[PValery53]

Initial military training at school should be a separate subject. And to teach there not only military affairs proper, but also a sense of duty and discipline, patriotism. The current slackness and mood only for entertainment is discouraging.

[sergey2017]

NVP was a separate subject! Patriotism, discipline it all was! Now, at the present time, it will be difficult for young people to teach this subject! On this subject should lead military personnel discharged into the reserve, trained in pedagogical universities!

[weksha50]

Quote: sergey2017

On this subject should lead Personnel military fired, trained at pedagogical universities!

Ahem ... It is unlikely that modern pedagogical humanistic tendencies will be able to combine with the views on NVP of a cadre military ...

A modern student can easily send a teacher to hell, and there will be nothing for him ...
Now imagine a similar picture at the NVP ...
Today's youth may not like it ... Someone blurted out something ... Well, how should a military officer react, with a "humanistic" approach ??? I'm not saying to beat the muzzles, it just killed me that they offer a career military pensioner to also graduate from educational programs at the pedagogical institute ...

Here you can be sure right away - those who want to teach NVP at school will be beaten off from regular military personnel ...

[Vladimir61]

Following the restoration of DOSAAF ..., Another would be the restoration in flying clubs of free training for recruits of paratroopers of the 3rd category (3 jumps).

[Rav_poroh]

It was high time to return. One of my favorite subjects was at school and I really liked the textbook. True, it took only one year to study it, then OBZH appeared. The school uniform still needs to be returned, albeit not the same throughout the country, but at least your own in each school (or class, for example, according to the general choice of parents), it is possible with the "chevrons" of the corresponding educational institution. In general, it is necessary to return the general patriotic education in the country, which was in the USSR, the October-pioneers-Komsomol members. Alternatively, the Young Guard pioneer eagles.

[Monarchist]

The school uniform has already been introduced, though they are wearing it, but do not you know?

[Lukich]

Quote: Rav_Poroh

The school uniform still needs to be returned, albeit not the same throughout the country, but at least its own in each school (or class, for example, according to the general choice of parents),

They have been talking about this for a long time. the student must be proud of his school. hence patriotism grows

[31R-US]

"be proud of your school"
I agree with you one hundred percent about the form, but on the account of being proud of the school, if you show me a photo where my child is studying, believe it will be a miserable sight, as well as if they introduce a non-formal educational institution, which will be a miserable likeness. In schools, I still have chairs in the 80s did machines.

[Rambylbafen]

it took almost 30 years to understand that NVP is a very necessary thing , I wonder how much it will take now to introduce to schools and where they will take specialists

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: rambylbafen

I wonder how much it will take now to introduce to schools and where they will take specialists

Any retired SA / RA officer is a ready teacher of the NVP. Do not forget this, do not drink ...

[prior]

Well, right - "back to the future".

This means that not everything was so bad under "damned socialism."

And even to ban advertising - everything and everywhere (zadolbali gaskets).

[Yves762]

Strongly "For"!
But only on condition that this will be supervised by the Moscow Region, and Shoigu personally.
The Ministry of Education and Science must be driven away from the topic by sc ... with rags.

[Engineer]

"If schools, instead of English, were taught to disassemble and assemble a Kalashnikov assault rifle, now the whole world would speak Russian."

[PValery53]

English to know - "never too late and not too early for anyone!" - It doesn't hurt to receive greetings from the host. And the rest - you have to dare and everything will work out! - And ideology - it will follow!

[acetophenone]

My classmates and I had fun at the NVP. Disassembly of incomplete AKM - 7 seconds. Assembly - 11.
It is understood that the specimen was fragmented.

[PValery53]

In addition to high-speed assembly-disassembly of the machine there is also a knowledge of Russian military secrets - the endless love and dedication of our Russia.

[BISMARCK94]

Departments in universities return bl ... in!

[masiya]

It wasn’t necessary to destroy, in any era of adolescents it was necessary to prepare for the defense of the Fatherland, and it’s not important what it will be called, only our pseudo-leaders in the late 80s, 90s profiled all this, when they started with tagged, they finished, and then finished Serdyukov’s girls, not to educate young people, then the exam, not to educate a patriotic ... why the guns if there is economics and management, we’ll buy everything and soldier and weapons, the prime minister (former prezik) promised ... but it turned out not bought and did not come out lava full ...

[gur4enk]

Very correct decision !!! Since you look at the current recruits, you understand that what I took for granted when it came time to put on my boots now causes confusion and bewilderment.

[Sergey956]

I support the return of the NVP course to school. I still remember my first school cap of Kusmartsev Yevgeny Mikhailovich, although many years have already passed. Stop raising boys with chubby priests at school. Graduates must be able to handle weapons before the army.

[konvalval]

Everything returns (from the USSR "cursed" by the liberals) to square one.

[dvg1959]

The younger generation has forgotten that the defense of the Fatherland is the sacred duty of every citizen.
The return of this consciousness is a great thing.

[izGOI]

charged with working out the Ministry of Education and Science together with the Ministry of Defense
But this problem should be solved by the Ministry of Defense, and with a minimal glance at the Ministry of Education and Science, otherwise the question will be "blabbed" again

[Cosmonaut]

Quote: Mareman Vasilich

Wait, what about anti-Soviet ideology? After all, the NVP is the introduction of the Bolsheviks, the USSR.

Mareman, you are behind the times !!!
Since then, as our "elite" threw, devoured, burned the membership cards, nothing threatens us!
Moreover, it was a long time ago, no one, nothing !!!

[Cosmonaut]

Quote: konvalval

Everything returns (from the USSR "cursed" by the liberals) to square one.

Unfortunately, not from above, but from below !!! Lots of historical and pseudo-historical examples, RESULT ONE!
Friendship defeats Greed!
Communism and Socialism were not invented by US, in Russia !!!
Disappointed in the ideological pogrom, killing millions of people really, having tried EVERYTHING and almost DESTROYED, they are still afraid of Russia !!!

[TsUS-Air Force]

It is high time!!!

[earloop]

Useful suggestion! And if with elements of physical fitness, then it will be good for health.

[Cosmonaut]

Quote: earloop

Useful suggestion! And if with elements of physical fitness, then it will be good for health.

You forget about the Ministry of Defense! You will not be allowed to cripple young souls!
Tales - this is quite another matter!

[img] https://yandex.ru/images/search?img_url=http://xn--v1aaa.doskaurala.ru/orim
g / 99483-43.jpg & p = 2 & text = student earned photo advertisement & noreask = 1 & pos = 76 & rpt = simage & lr = 2 [/ img]

And who will WORK, INVENT, SEARCH ????

[kirieeleyson]

I still remember there is even a pennant for the cross and the badge. And I went to the lightning through our NVP. And when it was issued, poured royal alcohol into a sleeve from 152 mm, for 2 days he did not go to work))

[would]

It's a sound idea, but we (and not only here) have the main question in the final implementation. Whatever happens to the current life safety where they bandage, save the drowning, provide first aid only and exclusively on paper. I think that life safety ultimately turned into empty formalities to speak and not have to. NVP is a complicated matter: we need specialists who are able to give both the necessary physical exercises and much more specialized knowledge, the kids will need to be driven out to the equipped sites to get real knowledge. That is, at least take it to the shooting range (there are no weapons in schools for some unknown years) and hand over small arms with a certain number of cartridges, take it to the training ground (or "homemade analogue") in full gear and practice knowledge there.

And this is, after all, all the money of which is not so much, this is all really serious work and the organizational process. And in fact, at best, not every school can provide this. It’s much more attractive and less expensive to just put the kids in the classroom where they will write a permanent dictation, give them one MMG Kalashnikova who is so broken that she can figure it out from one of my sneezes, and maybe ... maybe if I get out of luck them in some kind of shooting range where they will make 3 shots of small things. That is, to arrange the next imitation of training, the next life safety program in the framework of which there is no need to really do anything and formally everything is done.

So, knowing the Russian realities, I am extremely and extremely skeptical about the final performance. Here, commonplace first aid courses were not something that they could not, but did not even try, and NVP is far from just first aid.

[yuriy55]

Yah!!! Maybe the service in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will become an honorable duty, but without this service, no one will have the right to hold positions in government? I’m hearing just the same:

[Old warrior]

It would be nice. Although not an indicator. In general, it’s a worthy subject (my favorite, along with the story). And I shoot the machine well.

[Old military officer]

I happened to work as a military commander in a school for the last 7 years of Soviet power, so this issue worries me very much. Recovery of CWP is necessary like air. And holding camps in grade 10 for 2 weeks, in grade 11 - one. It is quite difficult and not cheap, but very useful for young men. Take money from all sorts of newfangled courses, such as the foundations of religion and other "tolerance". The personnel issue is very complicated, personal observations, of the officers who were transferred to the reserve, who became military instructors, hardly 10% stay in school. And as many of them become real specialists. A very special audience. And yet - the general law - children need to be loved. Ask them like soldiers, but always remember that they are schoolchildren. They need to gain authority and then you will succeed. To restore the status of a military commander in the same volume, that is, at the school he has one boss - the director, all the rest insofar as. Reduce the maximum amount of writing. To equip and equip the NVP office and shooting gallery, even if it is pneumatic. Now about the students: all their rights at training camps and classes on CWP at school are determined by the Charter of the Internal Service. Failure to pass fees without a valid reason automatically denies the right to final exams and obtain a high school diploma. With the normal organization of the training camp, the student practically passes the KMB and, which is much more important, prepares psychologically for the service. For the first time, young men find themselves in an environment where there are only men in uniform around them. Women are health care workers and cooks. No one squeals or splashes saliva like Mary Ivanna. They turn to you, but the requirements of the officers should be strictly followed. For 19 days of training, the young man managed to learn a lot, including about himself. 2 times on guard, 2 times by orderlies worth a lot. In short, having arrived at the conscription unit and received uniforms, he already knew how to approach the chief, how to leave the chief ... He did not have any complexes about the change of civil status. My disciples who had served their due came to my school and shared their impressions and everyone emphasized the benefits of the CWP. Well, as a small example. At the training camp, the students independently mastered the army obstacle course, and no one drove them onto it. The principle was that my friends can, and what am I worse? The fathers, with rare exceptions, were pleased and approved of the activities of their sons. Maybe I spoke a little chaotically, but the Pepsi generation has already got it all the way.

[Nahum]

Quote: weksha50

Shot from small-caliber rifles

Well, there are no such “small-caliber” rifles! There are SMALL-CALIBER ones! Write correctly, guys!)))

[VB]

We definitely need to return it, and also DOSAAF. There will be any number of teachers among the retirees.

[Old military officer]

There won’t be as many military leaders as you like. They need to be raised, cared for and cherished like all teachers in general. Unfortunately, the “mammoths” leave, but what comes
for the most part, thank Fursenko, they are not even close to teachers. I'm not talking about status, salary and rights. This is all such a painful topic and one of the pain points of Soviet and Russian education. However, the fact that the topic has been raised already gives hope for progress for the good.

[teacher]

Where can the school get money? Teach with your fingers? No repairs are being done in schools - there is no money, instead of guards there are grandmothers - there is no money. The NVP is not only an officer-teacher! and an officer will go for a salary of 8-10 thousand? On the contrary, some people go back to the army.

[would]

and an officer will go for a salary of 8-10 thousand? On the contrary, some people go back to the army.

He will go, but he will be a reserve officer, on a rather large pension, and for the sake of an idea, not money. How many of these there will be, how many of them will actually be suitable for this... not even the position! Really suitable for this, I’m not afraid of this word, calling, I think we all sadly understand.

[teacher]

Ask them like soldiers, but always remember that these are schoolchildren.
Are you seriously?

[teacher]

They will tell the schools - enter the NVP, there is no money, but you hold on and there will be another zilch. Police class in a regular school - parents must immediately spend 43 thousand, and within a year, a certain amount: from 7th to 11th grade. But they do it voluntarily! What will happen to the NVP for everyone? Or again, the main thing is to report beautifully.

[Maxim73]

They came to their senses... When everything was destroyed, they decided to “recreate”... Children need to be taught not to assemble and disassemble an automatic machine, but to solder all kinds of radios, print computer boards, love sports and play sports, all kinds of FREE clubs need to be revived! They will teach you to walk in formation and handle a machine gun in the army in a year, and if they don’t teach you, then the country doesn’t really need it.

[kirpich]

HANDS AND LEGS FOR!!!!!!!
Just take away the theology. Whoever believes in God will come to him himself.
If you don't believe it, don't drag him there.

[infantry76]

Lord comrades!
In the history of our state, since 1918, there have been two terrible wars - the Civil War, with foreign military intervention, and the Great Patriotic War. And it was precisely thanks to the Decree of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee “On compulsory training in the art of war” of April 22, 1918, the so-called. “Vsevobuchu” practically the majority of the male, and partly the female, population of the USSR was trained in the basics of military service.
Today, when the term of service in the army has been reduced to 1 year, and when young people join the army without knowing the basics, at best it takes six months for their father-commanders to teach the basics: which side to take a machine gun, how to make it, shoot, how to put on a gas mask, what it means to obey an order, etc. Considering the military-political situation that is developing in the world and in particular around our Fatherland, it is urgently necessary to revive CVP in secondary schools and vocational educational institutions. The subject of life safety is not capable, in accordance with the time allotted to it, of providing the basics of military training, and the training sessions for high school students at military units are for the most part only educational and introductory in nature. I know this myself, because for 7 years I was directly involved in organizing and conducting such training sessions on the basis of my military unit.
Well, schoolchildren should be taught by people who have first-hand knowledge of military service, first of all reservists, regardless of rank, but preferably having served in combat units.
I have the honor!

[bald]

The need for this step was not only not ripe, it was immediately as soon as the NVP was, to put it mildly, destroyed. But insert the life safety program into the NVP. Of course, the teacher must be an experienced officer.

[Lexa-149]

It’s high time! It took a quarter of a century for the top to finally realize this!

[unknown]

[quote=Temples]This is how many captains will be needed at once!
Where can I get so much?
On the other hand, the prepared guys will go to the army.
At least they can disassemble-assemble the machine.
Hurrah!

NVP is one of the most memorable subjects for most graduates !!!
We still remember our cap !!!

[quote]And what if the teachers are former military men![/quote]

How else???
Otherwise it will be crap.[/quote]
Why immediately captain? I had a senior midshipman. Fine.


[quote=Warrior Hamilton]The Yeltsin Constitution is nonsense, in which there is supposedly no ideology.........
The villains' dream is coming true - a state without braces that unite the peoples in it living surrounded by former "brothers" who are building their own national socialisms. We need "without ideological patriots" who have passed the CWP at school, cheerfully joining the only allies - the Army and the Navy, thank God, now also the National Guard, to protect the interests in Syria of those who stole pensions from their parents and lives in London.

Patriotism for one’s country does not depend absolutely on its political system or on many other factors ... [/ Quote]
Bravo! I give you a standing ovation![/quote]

[unknown]

By the way, the constitution is not Yeltsin’s at all. He had already died by then.
The constitution is Putin's.