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Armenian parliament ratifies agreement on a unified air defense system with the Russian Federation

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There are reports from Armenia that the local parliament (National Assembly) by a majority vote ratified the agreement on the creation of a unified air defense system. Recall that earlier such an agreement was concluded between Moscow and Yerevan. RIA News reports that 102 member of the Armenian parliament spoke for ratification, while 8 was against it.


Armenian parliament ratifies agreement on a unified air defense system with the Russian Federation


Deputy Minister of Defense of Armenia Ara Nazaryan noted that the command of the Russian Federation Space Forces will coordinate the work of the general air defense system.
From the statement of Nazaryan:
As for the direct control of a combat unit, it is carried out by the head of the air defense forces of Armenia. In peacetime, the parties can make decisions about the use of troops under their control. Parties must notify each other about these decisions and actions. Armenia will have the right to use its air defense to the extent and for those purposes it deems necessary.

After the ratification of this agreement, we will continue to use our anti-aircraft means, but Russian resources will also be added to them. It is a question of both flying objects, fighters, and means of destruction. Such a right provides a higher level of efficiency than the one that was before.


Armenian journalists asked the country's deputy defense minister whether the agreement with the Russian Federation does not provide for any restrictions on the use of Armenian air defense systems directly. Ara Nazaryan stated that there are no such restrictions.
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  1. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 30 June 2016 14: 09 New
    +1
    I wonder what kind of air defense system will appear in Armenia? It is unlikely that the old S-300PS with a range of 75 kilometers (Russia donated several divisions to Kazakhstan and Belarus), given that there is a conflict with Azerbaijan.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 30 June 2016 14: 15 New
      -5
      It happens ....)))) Then what?

      No question... wassat
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 30 June 2016 14: 23 New
        +4
        Armenia will be entitled to use its air defense to the extent and for those purposes that it considers necessary.

        How shoud I understand this? We mean, we will hope that this sector will be protected by the Armenian air defense, and they will consider that this is not necessary? Do we have to duplicate their air defense? And then what for priest button accordion?
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 30 June 2016 14: 29 New
          -3
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Armenia will be entitled to use its air defense to the extent and for those purposes that it considers necessary.

          How shoud I understand this? We mean, we will hope that this sector will be protected by the Armenian air defense, and they will consider that this is not necessary? Do we have to duplicate their air defense?

          I am also perplexed about this agreement. Our officials may not disclose all the details of the agreement, because anti-Russian sentiments sharply intensified in Armenia after the April battles with Azerbaijan.
          1. Mengad
            Mengad 30 June 2016 14: 58 New
            +5
            Russia extends your hand to you and you don’t understand. Russia is not profitable to destabilize the situation at its borders in the Transcaucasian direction. But you are inclined to overestimate your importance for Russia. Leave you alone will be a mess and a lot of blood.
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    3. RUSS
      RUSS 30 June 2016 14: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      It is unlikely that the old S-300PS with a range of 75 kilometers

      Up to 200 kilometers.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 30 June 2016 14: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: RUSS
        Up to 200 kilometers.

        Is 200 kilometers like S-300PMU-2 and S-300VM?
        And the S-300PS 75 kilometers, it was these systems that Russia delivered to Kazakhstan and Belarus from among those removed from combat duty for free in connection with the rearmament to new complexes.
  2. Andrey K
    Andrey K 30 June 2016 14: 13 New
    +9
    Парламент Армении ратифицировал "привет Анкаре" laughing
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 30 June 2016 14: 25 New
      -1
      Quote: Andrey K
      Парламент Армении ратифицировал "привет Анкаре" laughing

      I did not understand the meaning of this agreement, what does it give to Russia and Armenia? I raised this question a few days ago, but received no answer.
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 30 June 2016 14: 58 New
        +8
        Quote: razmik72
        I did not understand the meaning of this agreement, what does it give to Russia and Armenia? I raised this question a few days ago, but received no answer.

        А тут и так всё на поверхности лежит. Как Вы говорите: "...что это даёт России и Армении?" - ничего не даёт, кроме одного - документального оформления прав и обязанностей. Де факто ПВО России и так обеспечивают прикрытие Армении. А Вам ещё и доплатить надо?
      2. Mengad
        Mengad 30 June 2016 16: 03 New
        +2
        here and ask them here [email protected] Or do you think they will put it all to you like that?
        1. albanian
          albanian 30 June 2016 18: 56 New
          +4
          "Что касается непосредственного управления боевым звеном, то оно осуществляется начальником войск ПВО Армении. В мирное время стороны могут сами принимать решения об использовании находящихся в их подчинении войск."

          Here is the answer to your question, in peacetime you use your equipment as you like, if suddenly something, then apparently there will be centralized management.
  3. sub307
    sub307 30 June 2016 14: 36 New
    +1
    Интересно было бы ознакомиться с договором поподробнее.... Судя по комментам у "народа" есть вопросы, не всё понятно - зачем он нужен, и какова степень самостоятельности сторон?
    1. Temples
      Temples 30 June 2016 14: 51 New
      +2
      So what's the problem?

      First, a march to a military school, then service, then to the academy, then to headquarters and voila! - documents in front of you!
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 June 2016 14: 37 New
    +1
    Надеюсь, поставят С-400 и с соответствующей дальностью. Чтобы у Эрдогана "не чесалось" в причинном месте.
  5. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 30 June 2016 14: 43 New
    +2
    The main thing is that in Russia the anti-Armenian ones do not intensify. And according to air defense forces, as I understand it. In peacetime, each side uses them as it sees fit.
    Quote: razmik72
    for in Armenia after the April battles with Azerbaijan, anti-Russian sentiments sharply intensified
  6. Sarmat149
    Sarmat149 30 June 2016 14: 44 New
    0
    They’ll deliver, they will give the command for destruction? And most importantly:

    Armenia will be entitled to use its air defense to the extent and for those purposes that it considers necessary.

    Why goat button accordion? I do not understand.
  7. edos1979
    edos1979 30 June 2016 14: 54 New
    -6
    Now it will be possible to bring down the Azerbaijani air force?
  8. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 30 June 2016 14: 55 New
    +1
    Why should the complexes be transferred to Armenia if we are able to block all the airspace ourselves? what
  9. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 30 June 2016 15: 00 New
    +1
    But is Azerbaijan officially at war with Armenia?
    Quote: edos1979
    Now it will be possible to bring down the Azerbaijani air force?
    1. edos1979
      edos1979 30 June 2016 15: 06 New
      -3
      And that Turkey was at war with Russia?
    2. razmik72
      razmik72 30 June 2016 15: 09 New
      -1
      Quote: vladimirvn
      But is Azerbaijan officially at war with Armenia?
      Quote: edos1979
      Now it will be possible to bring down the Azerbaijani air force?

      Азербайджан официально не воюет с Арменией,но " птичка" может залететь в любой момент и кто тогда будет отдавать приказ на уничтожение - Армения или Россия?
      1. vladimirvn
        vladimirvn 30 June 2016 15: 15 New
        0
        ... In peacetime, the parties themselves can decide on the use of troops under their command. The parties must notify each other of these decisions and actions. Armenia will be entitled to use its air defense to the extent and for those purposes that it considers necessary ....
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      3. edos1979
        edos1979 30 June 2016 15: 29 New
        0
        This is a key question.
      4. Mengad
        Mengad 30 June 2016 16: 20 New
        +1
        The recent conflict in Karabakh has again shown that none of you wants to take responsibility either on the Azerbaijani side or on the Armenian side. Russia would not intervene so far and would shoot at each other. And in Armenia there are still anti-Russian actions. Thank you.
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 30 June 2016 16: 29 New
          -1
          Quote: Mengad
          The recent conflict in Karabakh has again shown that none of you wants to take responsibility either on the Azerbaijani side or on the Armenian side. Russia would not intervene so far and would shoot at each other. And in Armenia there are still anti-Russian actions. Thank you.

          Yes, finally calm down, the provocateur is cheap, it’s good to blame either the Armenians or the Azerbaijanis. We’ll figure it out without your jokes. Do you want me to say something unpleasant about Russia and go srach, are you trying to achieve this?
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 30 June 2016 17: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: razmik72
            Yes, calm down, finally, the provocateur is cheap, it’s good to blame either the Armenians or the Azerbaijanis.

            basically, Mengad, right ...
  10. atamankko
    atamankko 30 June 2016 15: 26 New
    0
    Ratification is good.
  11. Mengad
    Mengad 30 June 2016 16: 43 New
    0
    Quote: razmik72
    Quote: Mengad
    The recent conflict in Karabakh has again shown that none of you wants to take responsibility either on the Azerbaijani side or on the Armenian side. Russia would not intervene so far and would shoot at each other. And in Armenia there are still anti-Russian actions. Thank you.

    Yes, finally calm down, the provocateur is cheap, it’s good to blame either the Armenians or the Azerbaijanis. We’ll figure it out without your jokes. Do you want me to say something unpleasant about Russia and go srach, are you trying to achieve this?

    You are the provocateur: your quotes look like this, in Armenia after the April battles with AzerbaijanAnti-Russian sentiments intensified sharply.
    And I’m not kidding, and if you don’t see what they write and explain to you, you either ignore and troll, or you don’t know the basic geopolitical rules of the game.
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 30 June 2016 16: 49 New
      +1
      This is a fact that it is impossible not to see. Do you think that if you do not write about the phenomenon, then it will resolve itself?
    2. edos1979
      edos1979 30 June 2016 16: 55 New
      0
      Do you know everything? Why do Armenians were perplexed about the position of Russia, do you know? Why did you open a tourist flow to Turkey despite the terrorist attack? Do you think that you are too self-confident? I think.
      1. razmik72
        razmik72 30 June 2016 17: 02 New
        0
        Quote: edos1979
        Do you know everything? Why do Armenians were perplexed about the position of Russia, do you know? Why did you open a tourist flow to Turkey despite the terrorist attack? Do you think that you are too self-confident? I think.

        I did not understand your thoughts, beginner, can you state them clearly, without confusion?
        1. edos1979
          edos1979 30 June 2016 17: 05 New
          +1
          I apologize. My post was your opponent. The first day. Do not judge strictly.
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 30 June 2016 17: 08 New
            0
            Quote: edos1979
            I apologize. My post was your opponent. The first day. Do not judge strictly.

            My opponent is an ordinary provocateur and demogog, on the site I often met such.
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz 30 June 2016 19: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Mengad
      , in Armenia after the April battles with Azerbaijan, anti-Russian sentiments sharply intensified.

      Well, if this is really so, what is the person to blame?
      And in Azerbaijan, anti-Russian sentiments intensified and, on the contrary, pro-Turkish sentiments intensified.
      Indeed, in Azerbaijan a person turns on TV in Russia and Turkey. And what he sees.
      A couple of Armenians are sitting in Russian TV in the experts and shouting with the rest of the guests that Turkey is to blame, these are the Turks, without even delving into the conflict.
      The Turkish TV is all in one voice, except for the Kurds, the Azerbaijanis and I are screaming, in the Turkish Twitter segment Azerbaijan and Turkey the hashtag brothers come out on top, rallies in support.

      And plus, we add the moment that each side believes that it will tear the other. And each is not satisfied with the intervention of the Russian Federation.
      And yes, I met people who were sure that Azerbaijan lives at the expense of Turkey and that the entire budget is formed from Turkey, and my examples that Azerbaijan invests billions of dollars in Turkey and the entire budget fills oil did not convince them.
      1. razmik72
        razmik72 30 June 2016 19: 29 New
        +2
        Ераз,этот провокатор цитирует меня,когда пишет,что " в Армении после апрельских боёв с Азербайджаном резко усилились антироссийские настроения".Прочитайте внимательнее,ему не понравилось это моё высказывание.По его мнению,все армяне,от мала до велика,должны петь осанну русским и славить тяжкую ношу,которую несут русские на Кавказе.
  12. Mengad
    Mengad 30 June 2016 17: 14 New
    0
    Quote: edos1979
    Do you know everything? Why do Armenians were perplexed about the position of Russia, do you know? Why did you open a tourist flow to Turkey despite the terrorist attack? Do you think that you are too self-confident? I think.

    Judging by your questions in the affirmative laughing Apparently you are an insider in the system of geopolitics. Be kind enlighten the ignoramus hi
  13. Mengad
    Mengad 30 June 2016 17: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: razmik72
    Quote: edos1979
    I apologize. My post was your opponent. The first day. Do not judge strictly.

    My opponent is an ordinary provocateur and demogog, on the site I often met such.

    Do you want to give an example that you are a provocateur? Your post with my comments in parentheses) ,, I will be incredibly glad if the relationship of Russians with Turks improves, (Armenian whose people committed genocide by the Turks?) and then at VO, the analyst Khramchikhin already calculated the forces and capabilities of the Armenian Armed Forces in the light of a possible war between Russia and Turkey. I personally did not like the prospect of a war with Turkey (after comparing the forces of Armenia and Turkey?) among many Russians there is a preconceived notion that all Armenians want a war with Turkey(the first time I hear this, Armenia has a conflict with Azerbaijan over Karabakh). Personally, I don’t want it and the prospect of turning my country into a battlefield doesn’t please me at all. Develop relations with a neighbor (what kind of relationship do you have with Azerbaijan ?) it is necessary and necessary, but do not rush from one extreme to the other, Russia (Oh how!) and its media represent the Turks as demons (well, from the 15th to the 20th centuries there were 12 warriors between Russia and Turkey. The Turks are saints) and demand so that its allies would also support Russia in its struggle with Turkey, (I repeat about the love of the Armenian people for the Turks, the Turkish defender is direct), then in one day they completely change the vector of their policy. Such shyness from extreme to extreme of Russia does not bring any special dissidents. ( It can be seen that there is a view of the dividend-benefit)
    После сбития Турцией российского самолёта армянский генерал,в то время являющийся председателем в ОДКБ в порядке ротации,от имени всей организации выразил протест и осудил действия турецких ВВС.Так власти Казахстана,Белоруси и Киргизии открестились от этого заявления,сказав,что Ереван никто не уполномачивал выступать с заявлениями от их имени.Попросту говоря," союзники" России: Белорусь,Казахстан и Киргизия отказались поддержать её в час беды,её поддержала Армения и Таджикистан.(А может эти заявлением Армения преследовала свои цели?Подставляя ОДКБ и Россию?)А сейчас в глупом положении,извините меня,остаётся моя страна,Армения,ибо после поддержки российской позиции она оказалась в ещё худших отношениях с Турцией,чем это было до конфликта со сбитием российского самолёта.Выходит,Армения ухудшила свои и без того плохие межгосударственные отношения и все ради чего? Что бы Путин за одну ночь пересмотрел свою политику в отношении Турции и пошёл на мировую,а союзник остался в дураках? Выходит,Казахстан с Белорусью правильно сделали,что не поддержали Россию в её трудный час,а то они то же остались в идиотском положении,как Армения(Время показало что Россия имеет политическую волю и силу).Такие прыжки не прибавят России в дальнейшем союзников,всем трезвомыслящим политикам был дан ясный урок в виде оставшейся в дураках Армении.
    PS And after the events with the downed Su-24, the events in Karabakh this year, where Russia played the role of a mediator in this conflict. You are doing a stupid thing that they say why Armenia needs this treaty about air defense?
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 30 June 2016 18: 36 New
      +1
      Mengad, I will subscribe again under each of my words in my comment, my computer is buggy and I will not answer your claims extensively about the divine role of Russia in the Caucasus, I thank you for publishing my comment again, I am grateful
      hi .
  14. edos1979
    edos1979 30 June 2016 19: 04 New
    +2
    Quote: Mengad
    Quote: edos1979
    Do you know everything? Why do Armenians were perplexed about the position of Russia, do you know? Why did you open a tourist flow to Turkey despite the terrorist attack? Do you think that you are too self-confident? I think.

    Judging by your questions in the affirmative laughing Apparently you are an insider in the system of geopolitics. Be kind enlighten the ignoramus hi

    Themselves. All themselves. The seeker will bring
  15. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 30 June 2016 19: 52 New
    0
    Quote: razmik72
    Азербайджан официально не воюет с Арменией,но " птичка" может залететь в любой момент и кто тогда будет отдавать приказ на уничтожение - Армения или Россия?

    Wow, if the Azerbaijani plane is already over the territory of Armenia, and you are the commander of the Armenian Air Force and are afraid to decide. Answer your question directly and honestly.
    1. edos1979
      edos1979 30 June 2016 20: 06 New
      +3
      Why do you write an Azerbaijani plane with a capital letter? Ignorance of the Russian language or admiration for the flight personnel of the Azerbaijani Air Force?
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 30 June 2016 20: 31 New
      0
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Wow, if the Azerbaijani plane is already over the territory of Armenia, and you are the commander of the Armenian Air Force and are afraid to decide.

      Yes, everyone understands that an Azerbaijani plane will not fly into the territory of Armenia itself.
      It's just that in Armenia the majority are unhappy with this air defense treaty.
      The troops of Armenia are located in Karabakh and the air defense of Armenia, both from the territory of Armenia and by moving their positions in Karabakh they control the sky over Karabakh.
      And everyone thinks that Russia may not allow these air defense to open fire on the Azerbaijani Air Force, which will begin to circle over Karabakh. The scandal is over this because of this.
      And so the outpost label stuck, and then there was the joint air defense control, either joint, or given to Russia. That's all.
  16. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 30 June 2016 20: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: edos1979
    Why do you write an Azerbaijani plane with a big letters? ignorance of the Russian language or admiration for the flight personnel of the Azerbaijani Air Force?

    Sorry, for God's sake, I did not in any way want to exaggerate my knowledge Russian languageI hope here you will not rule me. And you don’t need to leave the answer to the question, or don’t raise it at all.
  17. Mengad
    Mengad 30 June 2016 20: 31 New
    0
    Quote: Yeraz
    Quote: Mengad
    , in Armenia after the April battles with Azerbaijan, anti-Russian sentiments sharply intensified.

    Well, if this is really so, what is the person to blame?
    And in Azerbaijan, anti-Russian sentiments intensified and, on the contrary, pro-Turkish sentiments intensified.
    Indeed, in Azerbaijan a person turns on TV in Russia and Turkey. And what he sees.
    A couple of Armenians are sitting in Russian TV in the experts and shouting with the rest of the guests that Turkey is to blame, these are the Turks, without even delving into the conflict.
    The Turkish TV is all in one voice, except for the Kurds, the Azerbaijanis and I are screaming, in the Turkish Twitter segment Azerbaijan and Turkey the hashtag brothers come out on top, rallies in support.

    And plus, we add the moment that each side believes that it will tear the other. And each is not satisfied with the intervention of the Russian Federation.
    And yes, I met people who were sure that Azerbaijan lives at the expense of Turkey and that the entire budget is formed from Turkey, and my examples that Azerbaijan invests billions of dollars in Turkey and the entire budget fills oil did not convince them.

    Respected? the devil is hiding in little things and now I will explain in detail why. Quote: ,, in Armenia, after the April battles with Azerbaijan, anti-Russian sentiments sharply intensified ,,
    What do we have? Armenia, as a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), has the right to receive military support in case of aggression against one of the CSTO members. In this case, the conflict was on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh (NK), and since the NK is a disputed territory between Armenia and Azerbaijan, it is not a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, which in turn does not impose obligations of military intervention in the event of a conflict in the territory of the Nagorno Karabakh (if only peacekeeping operations and by agreement) Based on this, the author of the post claims that anti-Russian sentiments in Armenia have grown. we can conclude that: Russia had the right not to intervene in the conflict and not to occupy one or another conflicting side and apply the VS. It turns out that Azerbaijanis attacked and Russia is guilty? Moreover, if you read his posts more closely, you will see how he (Armenian, judging by his nickname and the flag) glorifies Turkey. Which in turn raises suspicion of such love for the Turks and embitterment towards Russia and you ask yourself the question: is it not a provocateur? Thank you for your attention.
    1. edos1979
      edos1979 30 June 2016 20: 42 New
      +1
      The devil is in the smallest detail. But the Armenians were bewildered by the sale of arms to Azerbaijan. Has the question really arisen against whom it will be used? This is not an allied relationship.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 1 July 2016 00: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: edos1979
        and the amazement of the Armenians was caused by the sale of arms to Azerbaijan. Has the question really arisen against whom it will be used?

        Your problem is that you simply do not want to read the laws.
        This weapon was used against armed groups in Karabakh, but if the armed forces of Armenia are deployed there, which should not be there, is that really the problem of others ???
        After all, these weapons did not shoot at Armenia, at its cities and its troops in Armenia.
        And therefore your perplexity causes perplexity of others.
        Turkey is also an ally of Azerbaijan, but for example, Turkey and Azerbaijan do not have such an agreement as Russia and Armenia help each other in the event of an attack on one of the parties.
        Since Turkey is in NATO and the participation of the Turkish army, this means the involvement of NATO.
        But Azerbaijan didn’t drive to Turkey why it didn’t come and why it won’t come. Everyone understands there are treaties and its clauses on alliance. Besides direct military intervention, help will be provided. But because of the absence of the clause on mutual assistance, Azerbaijan and the population don’t say that Turkey is not an ally.
        The alliance is supported by contracts and claims may arise in case of violation of these paragraphs.
        Armenia and Russia have an agreement, but there is no clause on assistance to the Armenian Armed Forces, which are located on the territory of LEGALLY recognized territories of Azerbaijan.
        Therefore, Russia did not violate the agreement, and you accuse it of violating a clause that is not in the agreement between the countries.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 1 July 2016 00: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Mengad
      Thank you for attention.

      Hmm, I get your point.
      Just understand the Armenians take a different look at this alliance, especially against the backdrop of the Turkish-Azerbaijani alliance and want from the same series. For all Russian politicians to come out and unanimously declare their full support for Armenia, the people rallied in the streets in favor of the Armenians.
      Therefore, the growth of anti-Russian sentiments. They look not at the letter of the law, but rather at the spirit of the word. Although the other CSTO allies are more likely to side with Azerbaijan.
      But the Armenians do not want to understand this. Karabakh is a problem of Armenia and the allies of Armenia should take the side of Armenia.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 1 July 2016 16: 14 New
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        Mengad LV and Yeraz (5) RU, thank you for your diplomatic communication, it was nice to read, you inspire hope that common sense is not buried, and people will be able to agree. In such a company, I would love to drink when real men say guns are silent. drinks
  18. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 30 June 2016 20: 42 New
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    Russia did not quarrel with Azerbaijan, this time.
    To believe in God, which country to look towards is a matter of personnel, for example, I feel sorry for both of them, because of the stupidity of the situation around Karabakh, if you don’t want to live, fight, fight, sit down at the negotiating table anyway, why you and Russia’s neighbor and calls.
    1. edos1979
      edos1979 30 June 2016 20: 49 New
      0
      You have never answered a specific question. I would still like to hear your opinion on the sale of arms to Azerbaijan.
  19. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 30 June 2016 20: 50 New
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    Quote: edos1979
    The devil is in the smallest detail. And the amazement of the Armenians was caused by the sale of arms to Azerbaijan.didn’t the question arise against whom it will be used?it is not an allied relationship.

    Recently, 4 match wagons were shipped from Ufa match factory to Azerbaijan, and about 120 gasoline and salary tanks left Ufa from Armenia. didn’t the question arise against whom it will be used?
    1. edos1979
      edos1979 30 June 2016 20: 55 New
      0
      Listen dear and you will not be from God's chosen people? I am tormented by vague doubts.
  20. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 30 June 2016 20: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: edos1979
    You have never answered a specific question. I would still like to hear your opinion on the sale of arms to Azerbaijan.

    They sold them, presented to you. So what is the question? Who more, or why? There are long-term contracts for the supply of weapons that must be implemented. Do not fight among themselves and this question will disappear both from you and them.
    1. edos1979
      edos1979 30 June 2016 21: 01 New
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      So don’t sell so that you don’t fight. The mattress covers don’t sell. The Europeans don’t sell. Only the Turks. Israelis and Russia. We’re kind of like allies. And you are supplying modern weapons to our potential adversary. It’s not good.
  21. Mengad
    Mengad 30 June 2016 20: 59 New
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    The devil is in the smallest detail. But the Armenians were bewildered by the sale of arms to Azerbaijan. Has the question really arisen against whom it will be used? This is not an allied relationship.

    Do not forget that the 102nd Russian military base is stationed on the territory of Armenia. That guarantees as a member of the CSTO protection from external aggression. The military budgets of Armenia and Azerbaijan are of course different, but Russia needs money and it cannot fry weapons left and right.
    1. edos1979
      edos1979 30 June 2016 21: 08 New
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      What does it mean to need money? And who does not need it? This is not an argument.
  22. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 30 June 2016 21: 06 New
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    Useless conversation. Thanks, but not interesting.
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  23. Mengad
    Mengad 30 June 2016 21: 33 New
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    Quote: edos1979
    The devil is in the smallest detail. But the Armenians were bewildered by the sale of arms to Azerbaijan. Has the question really arisen against whom it will be used? This is not an allied relationship.

    Well, I’ll try to explain to you: Firstly, the military budget does not speak about the strength of the army, it all depends on many factors. I think you will agree that Russia will have $ 67 billion in the military budget much stronger British army with $ 56 billion? And if we have figures from open sources, in 2015, according to various sources, Azerbaijan had from $ 1,37 billion to $ 3 billion, and Armenia $ 412 million. About arms sales: Azerbaijan has led the past few years mass purchases of military equipment in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Israel, Turkey, South Africa. In addition, it was actually created from scratch its own military-industrial complex. Armenia, the main supplier of weapons is indeed Russia. Russia has given a $ 200 million credit to Armenia for the purchase of Russian weapons. Please note that the data may vary so the information is taken from open sources.
  24. edos1979
    edos1979 30 June 2016 21: 43 New
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    Quote: Mengad
    Quote: edos1979
    The devil is in the smallest detail. But the Armenians were bewildered by the sale of arms to Azerbaijan. Has the question really arisen against whom it will be used? This is not an allied relationship.

    Well, I’ll try to explain to you: Firstly, the military budget does not speak about the strength of the army, it all depends on many factors. I think you will agree that Russia will have $ 67 billion in the military budget much stronger British army with $ 56 billion? And if we have figures from open sources, in 2015, according to various sources, Azerbaijan had from $ 1,37 billion to $ 3 billion, and Armenia $ 412 million. About arms sales: Azerbaijan has led the past few years mass purchases of military equipment in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Israel, Turkey, South Africa. In addition, it was actually created from scratch its own military-industrial complex. Armenia, the main supplier of weapons is indeed Russia. Russia has given a $ 200 million credit to Armenia for the purchase of Russian weapons. Please note that the data may vary so the information is taken from open sources.

    Not budgets are fighting, but people. That is why Azerbaijan has no chance to resolve the issue by force. But nevertheless. Armenia is an ally of Russia. So why sell weapons to our enemies? After all, Armenians will be killed from these weapons. I hope you understand the concern of the Armenian people. Radi the immediate benefits should not be betrayed by centuries-old fraternal relations.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 1 July 2016 01: 01 New
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      Quote: edos1979
      It’s not the budgets that are fighting, but the people. That is why Azerbaijan has no chance of resolving the issue by force. But nonetheless.

      This topic is already stuck with the spirit.
      As your former defense minister of the NKR said, the soldiers will catch the rockets with their spirit))))
  25. Mengad
    Mengad 30 June 2016 22: 05 New
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    Quote: edos1979
    Quote: Mengad
    Quote: edos1979
    The devil is in the smallest detail. But the Armenians were bewildered by the sale of arms to Azerbaijan. Has the question really arisen against whom it will be used? This is not an allied relationship.

    Well, I’ll try to explain to you: Firstly, the military budget does not speak about the strength of the army, it all depends on many factors. I think you will agree that Russia will have $ 67 billion in the military budget much stronger British army with $ 56 billion? And if we have figures from open sources, in 2015, according to various sources, Azerbaijan had from $ 1,37 billion to $ 3 billion, and Armenia $ 412 million. About arms sales: Azerbaijan has led the past few years mass purchases of military equipment in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Israel, Turkey, South Africa. In addition, it was actually created from scratch its own military-industrial complex. Armenia, the main supplier of weapons is indeed Russia. Russia has given a $ 200 million credit to Armenia for the purchase of Russian weapons. Please note that the data may vary so the information is taken from open sources.

    Not budgets are fighting, but people. That is why Azerbaijan has no chance to resolve the issue by force. But nevertheless. Armenia is an ally of Russia. So why sell weapons to our enemies? After all, Armenians will be killed from these weapons. I hope you understand the concern of the Armenian people. Radi the immediate benefits should not be betrayed by centuries-old fraternal relations.

    Of course I understand, I have an Armenian friend)) But unfortunately we live in a world where money rules. First, money and then friendship, let's not forget that there are many others in Russia’s arms supply who will put it.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 1 July 2016 01: 11 New
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      Quote: Mengad
      First money and then friendship, let's not forget that in place of Russia in the supply of weapons there are many others who will put it.

      It's not so much about money. Understand that.
      According to some nomenclature of weapons, Russia has no one to replace. EU and the USA do not sell weapons. Where to get modern tanks ?? Israel and Turkey will not be able to give. The tank either does not fit the geographic conditions or as in the case of Turkey it is not there or there are a lot of components of countries West, which block its supply, as happened with the Turkish self-propelled guns, where the Germans said our engine, we do not sell with our engine. Who can take TOS-1 ??

      The point here is the controllability of the conflict. The Russian Federation selling arms to Azerbaijan primarily seeks to control the conflict. Indeed, Azerbaijan completely depends on the components for these weapons and if Russia does not give permission, how many of these systems will work. Who will be repaired ?? Yes, if you can try other specialists to repair or find analogues, But it will be more expensive, it will take a lot of time and not the fact that it will be better.
      Therefore, many in Azerbaijan are against the purchase of Russian weapons, but so far no one has. For its defense industry has turned from zero to a significant element, everyone looks at the successes of the Turkish defense industry, Israel eases the situation, but still no one has it.
      Armenians already get weapons for a penny, but they don’t understand that Russia is not in a situation where a 70-80 thousandth Armenian army should equip its army at the same pace as Azerbaijan. This is not a small group, it needs a lot of money and time. right now and urgently need a weapon and money is not so smooth.
  26. edos1979
    edos1979 1 July 2016 06: 27 New
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    Quote: Yeraz
    Quote: Mengad
    First money and then friendship, let's not forget that in place of Russia in the supply of weapons there are many others who will put it.

    It's not so much about money. Understand that.
    According to some nomenclature of weapons, Russia has no one to replace. EU and the USA do not sell weapons. Where to get modern tanks ?? Israel and Turkey will not be able to give. The tank either does not fit the geographic conditions or as in the case of Turkey it is not there or there are a lot of components of countries West, which block its supply, as happened with the Turkish self-propelled guns, where the Germans said our engine, we do not sell with our engine. Who can take TOS-1 ??

    The point here is the controllability of the conflict. The Russian Federation selling arms to Azerbaijan primarily seeks to control the conflict. Indeed, Azerbaijan completely depends on the components for these weapons and if Russia does not give permission, how many of these systems will work. Who will be repaired ?? Yes, if you can try other specialists to repair or find analogues, But it will be more expensive, it will take a lot of time and not the fact that it will be better.
    Therefore, many in Azerbaijan are against the purchase of Russian weapons, but so far no one has. For its defense industry has turned from zero to a significant element, everyone looks at the successes of the Turkish defense industry, Israel eases the situation, but still no one has it.
    Armenians already get weapons for a penny, but they don’t understand that Russia is not in a situation where a 70-80 thousandth Armenian army should equip its army at the same pace as Azerbaijan. This is not a small group, it needs a lot of money and time. right now and urgently need a weapon and money is not so smooth.

    Dear, you can at least buy all the weapons of the world, but you won’t have any victory. The Armenians will not live in the same state with you. Are you ready to conduct ethnic cleansing? You have experience. But this will not help. Armenians from all over the world will come to the rescue. just like in the first war. when neither Afghan mujahideen nor Turkish special forces nor bandit rabble from all over the Caucasus helped you along with the notorious Basayev. I’m not a nationalist and let's look for peaceful ways to resolve the conflict. It will be better. It’s better for you. there can be only one. return to Azerbaijan of areas not related to Artsakh. return of the peaceful Azerbaijani population and recognition of Karabakh as independent from Azerbaijan.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 1 July 2016 11: 36 New
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      Quote: edos1979
      Dear, you can at least buy all the weapons of the world, but you will not have victory. The Armenians will not live with you in the same state. Are you ready to conduct ethnic cleansing?

      Well, you are an Armenian and ask such stupid questions. The level of hatred is at the highest level. Why should Azerbaijan carry out purges ?? THE POPULATION WILL LEAVE OUT !!! As it was with Talysh.
      You are not Masazists to leave your families in the war zone. This is not the 90s, the crops are more powerful among the parties. Askeran’s troops will immediately leave the population of Armenians in every point where there will be a threat from the Azerbaijani Armed Forces. In addition, in the full-scale war, the near-post points in Azerbaijan will be evacuated. Therefore, there is no need to clean it.
      Quote: edos1979
      and there can only be one way out. Returning to Azerbaijan areas not related to Artsakh. Returning the peaceful Azerbaijani population and recognition of Karabakh as independent from Azerbaijan.

      But this is for you.
      But for me, the cunning Eraz is another way out, the Armenians themselves initiate the surrender of all the districts, but without entering the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan in Nagorno-Karabakh itself, they say the ara demon got it wrong, these are external players to blame, we were friendly. And Azerbaijanis have a short memory is the misfortune of the people in fact, therefore, after some time, even together with the Armenians of Karabakh, people will live and marry Armenians, as was the case in the Soviet Union.
      Well, or war. And who will win there will be known after the war.