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It has long been so "hot" in LDNR, as last night. We already began to forget about Lysenko. Tom Andrei Lysenko himself, who made statements about the victories of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Donetsk front, about the repeated death of Motorola and Givi, about the partisans and the atrocities of the Russian occupiers. Today Lysenko is a big man. After all, the speaker of the President Poroshenko on the ATO.




Let me remind you that it all started with the message about the death of the opera singer. The great singer rushed from France to destroy separatism. Naturally, as part of the Right Sector. I do not know what kind of singer he is, but the soldier turned out to be so-so.

And then went to ukroSMI conflicting messages. Here is what TSN reported: "According to the military, the enemy came close to their positions, and then melee began. The military 54 and 25 brigades and Right Sector volunteers began to push back the separatists, with the result that the military advanced a mile and a half one of the strongholds of the DPR, where an entire platoon was allegedly destroyed. "

Nothing, Ukrainians ate such messages calmly. The logic is simple. What could some miners and drivers do? They do not even know that artillery preparation is necessary when attacking fortified positions. Otherwise, the attackers will stumble upon a prepared defense and nothing but serious losses such an attack will bring. Yes, and the death of the singer looks heroic.

Today, through the mouth of Lysenko, the Supreme Soviet of Ukraine declared its commitment to the Minsk agreements and full observance of the truce regime.

“I’ll respond to such messages with a Russian saying - fear has big eyes. This information is completely absurd and not true. The ATO forces are in their positions.”

By the way, the deceased singer was written off to work "wild" sniper. Everything! Talk about this kind of and no longer needed. Only the modern world is so arranged that information quietly comes from both sides. Since, according to the speaker of the President of Ukraine, the Ukrainian army and the punishers were sitting in their positions, you will have to read the other side.

Agency "Reedus" reports: "... as a result of lengthy battles from the LC, 20 people died. On the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, more than 200."

The information published by official sources differs significantly from these figures. But at this time I am inclined to believe the correspondent of "Reedus".

“The break-through of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began deep into the night. Ukrainians, hiding behind artillery and armored vehicles, advanced with fights 4 kilometers along the Artemovsk-Debaltseve highway. They pushed off parts of the DNR XD motorized rifle brigade and occupied a dominant height above the village of Logvinovo.”

“When the Ukrainian troops sounded out that the positions in that area were not the most fortified, they went on the attack. From the DNR, there were mostly young, undetermined guys. And, having suffered losses, they retreated.”

“But as soon as the soldiers of the Supreme Court of Ukraine took up the positions left by the troops of the DPR, the artillery of the“ Republicans ”began to work. Hence, such high losses from the Ukrainian military”.

It looks quite logical. And Edward Basurin really confirms the loss of the APU. Moreover, he is talking about the destruction of an armored troop-carrier and two infantry fighting vehicles. However, the correspondent of "Reedus" speaks about participation in the battle only of the APU. There is no question of any punitive battalions at all. But then it turns out that the singer really shot the sniper.

Another source, the agency "Russian Spring", referring to the fighter 100-th brigade of the Republican Guard DNR Anatoly Gelyukh, writes about the huge losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine under Debaltseve.

“At night, at 2 hours and 20 minutes, Ukrainian fighters launched an offensive on a wide sector of the front near Uglegorsk. They knocked out the front lines of the DPR armed forces from the main positions and the heights of the first defense line and then from reserve positions. Moving with heavy losses (lost at least two platoons tanks T-64-BV, a large number of assault infantry), the enemy was able to come close to Uglegorsk. After which he was thrown back behind the second line of defense of the DPR by the main forces of the DPR Armed Forces who arrived and deployed into battle formations. "

Still, the opinion of the legendary brigade commander Igor Bezler, which he wrote on his blog, looks much more realistic: “The XU NXX nights were activated. They took Sanzharovka’s surroundings. Then they took the heights of 2.30 and 216 under Logvinovo,“ The Gryashchevskie rates ”are 220- 2,5 km to Uglegorsk approximately. Most likely they will cut Uglegorsk and Debaltsevo. To take the city in the forehead is stupid and inefficient. By evening, “Milk will lie down.” The best option is to “cut” the territory like a layer cake with isolation of Uglegorsk-Debaltseve, Gorlovka and Yenakiyevo. separately, Donetsk and sinovatoy ... Squares 3, 6351, 6350, 6348, 6149 already occupied by the enemy. "

There is absolutely no need to be a military strategist to understand: the situation is serious enough. Lysenko’s statements, reports from the LDNR are nothing more than an attempt to convince readers of the strength of one of the parties. Or, about the peace of another. I think no one knows the real losses today. The fastest growing list of missing people. And no one is going to stop fighting.

Ukraine launched an offensive on the eve of a new meeting in Minsk. In order to establish new boundaries of demarcation. The creeping seizure of neutral settlements and the nomination to the "neutral" of their posts is carried out precisely for this purpose. In addition, Ukrainian politicians are increasingly recalling "Minsk-1". And there, as you know, the line of demarcation was somewhat different than in Minsk-2.

In response to the "creeping" offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine VSNV, it is necessary to conduct a full-fledged offensive with the task of returning the lost territories. Only in this case, Ukrainian politicians will become "able to conduct full-fledged negotiations." And it must be done in the shortest possible time. Otherwise, positions will be strengthened, and it will be impossible to take them.

But in any case, peace in the Donbas comes to an end. What Poroshenko once spoke about as a way to solve the problem of the eastern territories, Kiev decided to begin to implement. The army, which has really become stronger today, must solve a task that diplomats and politicians could not solve. It is possible that the offensive was the requiem of the Minsk agreements.
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 1 July 2016 05: 45
    +22
    We lived to see another exacerbation in Donbass. Apparently the owners have fed the Piglet and is now getting into a new fight. Along the way, a new myth-making is developing about the "heroes of the ATO".
    1. SSR
      SSR 1 July 2016 07: 10
      +34
      Well, if you remember Breedlaw and Stoltenberg, and Hodges, shocked by the electronic warfare and the actions of the arts ... In general, it seems to me that they simultaneously decided to see what and how the "new" tactics will work and how they will work at the "great" schools ... They do not care about the "great ukrov", because they are experimental.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 1 July 2016 07: 56
      +27
      Quote: oleg-gr
      It is possible that the offensive became a requiem to the Minsk agreements.

      And it wasn’t that hell of a Minsky 1,2 ..... to arrange, they let the banderlogs catch their breath and gain a foothold, although the LDNRs themselves now do not have the militia of 2014, but more or less the armed forces, but now it will be much more difficult to shatter the dill, they also now not a bunch of 2014 banderlogs. request
      1. Beefeater
        Beefeater 1 July 2016 09: 01
        +9
        Quote: vovanpain
        Quote: oleg-gr
        It is possible that the offensive became a requiem to the Minsk agreements.

        And it wasn’t that hell of a Minsky 1,2 ..... to arrange, they let the banderlogs catch their breath and gain a foothold, although the LDNRs themselves now do not have the militia of 2014, but more or less the armed forces, but now it will be much more difficult to shatter the dill, they also now not a bunch of 2014 banderlogs. request

        Right. It was necessary to declare universal mobilization in Russia and move the reptiles right up to Kiev.
        From the "marshals" of the "Military Review" to recruit the Iron Division and armed with sapper shovels to throw in the last and decisive battle.
        The boldest as a rule, the one who does not go on the attack.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 1 July 2016 09: 42
          +12
          Quote: Beefeater
          It was necessary to declare universal mobilization in Russia and move the reptiles right up to Kiev.

          do not write nonsense. It was just necessary not to recognize the current government. Yes Yanukovych turn back to the same Donbass literally within a week. And Turchinov admitted that at that time there were almost no troops on the way to Kiev. all planes were "under steam". were going to skedaddle the current ... understand, it would not have been necessary to bring in troops from Russia. At that time, the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not want to fight. There would be only a hint of Russia, and they would turn themselves, tk. would defend the legitimate president. And so ...
          If now conscripts to the army have begun again, then Donbass does not have such reserves. But Petya has one, and PMCs are also marked there.
          1. joopel
            joopel 1 July 2016 10: 16
            +13
            Reasoning of an amateur. Sorry for the harshness. Count how much our "friendship" with the vile creature Yanukovych cost us? A suitcase without a handle is impossible to carry and cannot be thrown. Now all the crap with this uglepochny Ukraine went to Europe. This stillborn "country", created by grandfather Lenin for some kind of shit, is now decomposing and poisoning the very Europa with its miasma. Well Duc and Hiba are with them.
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 1 July 2016 10: 34
              +12
              Quote: joopel
              Reasoning of an amateur. Sorry for the harshness. Count how much our "friendship" with the vile creature Yanukovych cost us?

              I do not argue, but in that situation, Yanukovych, if he had been returned, would have tightened his tail and certainly would have stopped looking at the EU.
              Quote: joopel
              Now all the haemorrhoids with this ear-catching Ukraine went to Europe

              Is it only Europe? Russia also gets it.
              1. joopel
                joopel 1 July 2016 14: 25
                +1
                Russia also did not get weak, such as the Crimea! laughing
            2. Orionvit
              Orionvit 5 July 2016 00: 51
              0
              Now it decomposes and poisons that very Europa with its miasma. Well Duc and Hiba with them.
              Let me remind you that in Ukraine there are ten million ethnic Russians. Ukrainians are also Russians, but they forgot about it. So, these tseevropeytsiv do not mind what they fought for, and ran into it. But what about the Russians?
          2. svp67
            svp67 1 July 2016 13: 05
            +8
            Quote: Egoza
            Donbass does not have such reserves.

            Yes, there is. And everyone knows about it. And it is "this" that very much stops both your "Petya 1" and his patrons.
          3. Asadullah
            Asadullah 1 July 2016 19: 43
            +5
            Yes, Yanukovych to turn back to the same Donbass literally within a week.


            laughing Who whom ???! Sorry for the fun. This g * ida managed to sell twice. The first time I sold my country, the second time I sold my savior, being from any political activity. For a very simple reason, its all assets and accounts in the West. His place on the bough, that would hang and stink. As befits the Jews.
            1. joopel
              joopel 1 July 2016 21: 59
              +1
              I fully support. Yanukovych should be tied with a rope around his neck and so that his legs do not touch the ground.
          4. Beefeater
            Beefeater 1 July 2016 21: 07
            +1
            Quote: Egoza
            Quote: Beefeater
            It was necessary to declare universal mobilization in Russia and move the reptiles right up to Kiev.

            do not write nonsense. It was just necessary not to recognize the current government. Yes Yanukovych turn back to the same Donbass literally within a week. And Turchinov admitted that at that time there were almost no troops on the way to Kiev. all planes were "under steam". were going to skedaddle the current ... understand, it would not have been necessary to bring in troops from Russia. At that time, the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not want to fight. There would be only a hint of Russia, and they would turn themselves, tk. would defend the legitimate president. And so ...
            If now conscripts to the army have begun again, then Donbass does not have such reserves. But Petya has one, and PMCs are also marked there.

            Well, if NATO entered its forces, then what?
            APU did not want to fight is the truth.
            But a lot of people wanted to go to Europe, wanted European salaries and pensions.
            And suddenly the Russian liberators came and left them without all the nishtyaks.
            1. Svidetel 45
              Svidetel 45 1 July 2016 21: 32
              +1
              And for starters, there was no need to go further than Donbass and Lugansk, this would be enough for the eyes to activate pro-Russian forces, if not all Ukraine, then at least in the southeast.
          5. Beefeater
            Beefeater 1 July 2016 21: 08
            0
            Quote: Egoza
            Quote: Beefeater
            It was necessary to declare universal mobilization in Russia and move the reptiles right up to Kiev.

            do not write nonsense. It was just necessary not to recognize the current government. Yes Yanukovych turn back to the same Donbass literally within a week. And Turchinov admitted that at that time there were almost no troops on the way to Kiev. all planes were "under steam". were going to skedaddle the current ... understand, it would not have been necessary to bring in troops from Russia. At that time, the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not want to fight. There would be only a hint of Russia, and they would turn themselves, tk. would defend the legitimate president. And so ...
            If now conscripts to the army have begun again, then Donbass does not have such reserves. But Petya has one, and PMCs are also marked there.

            Well, if NATO entered its forces, then what?
            APU did not want to fight is the truth.
            But a lot of people wanted to go to Europe, wanted European salaries and pensions.
            And suddenly the Russian liberators came and left them without all the nishtyaks.
          6. Svidetel 45
            Svidetel 45 1 July 2016 21: 27
            +2
            That's for sure, we played diplomatic games in '14, and after all, it has long been known that iron must be forged while it is hot, they missed the moment when it would have been possible to "knock off" the illegal government in Kiev without any problems, it was only necessary to say "A" (we will defend Russians), say "B".
          7. KaPToC
            KaPToC 2 July 2016 00: 26
            +1
            Quote: Egoza
            do not write nonsense

            Apparently it was sarcasm.
        2. aleks_29296
          aleks_29296 1 July 2016 10: 58
          +5
          Right. It was necessary to declare universal mobilization in Russia and move the reptiles right up to Kiev.
          From the "marshals" of the "Military Review" to recruit the Iron Division and armed with sapper shovels to throw in the last and decisive battle.
          The boldest as a rule, the one who does not go on the attack.


          Your sarcasm is understandable, lately there have indeed been a lot of warlike statements. But! Why then was all this rise with the Russian Spring? Why did our media pour on our ears two years ago about the Russian world, Novorossia and so on? Before the Ukrainian events, was there so much belligerence? The people stirred up, raised and .... what next?
          1. joopel
            joopel 1 July 2016 14: 32
            +3
            And what do you think our media should have poured into our ears? Everything is gone, Lelik, everything is gone! So what? You are blind, don’t you see that the RUSSIAN WORLD is winning? Which is triple wonderful, without a total war. You do not see that patriotism is on the rise after hunchback and Yeltsinoid occupation? Have you noticed that Russia has again risen to its full height? Where is your gaze directed?
            1. aleks_29296
              aleks_29296 1 July 2016 16: 27
              +1
              Yes, patriotism is on the rise. Only recently, the rise began to reach insanity, as evidenced by many comments, including and in, such as these:
              joopel (1) RU

              In the event of an escalation of the conflict, the Ukrainian army will be disorganized, demoralized and become a bunch of armed gang gangs. Kiev will tryndets.
              1. joopel
                joopel 1 July 2016 21: 54
                +3
                Well, who's stopping you from writing that the Ukrainian Army will be inspired, united and reach the Urals? Write, or is something bothering you? I expressed my thoughts, based on previous events, Illovaysk, Debaltseve, Mariupol, Saur Grave, etc., etc. Something like this.
        3. svp67
          svp67 1 July 2016 13: 04
          0
          Quote: Beefeater
          From the "marshals" of the "Military Review" to recruit the Iron Division and armed with sapper shovels to throw in the last and decisive battle.

          You somehow forget that before the "marshals" "colonels", "majors", "captains", "lieutenants", and most importantly "armies" of "soldiers and sergeants" go into battle. Think about it.
      2. Berber
        Berber 1 July 2016 09: 14
        +4
        Good reasoning is lying on the couch. Hooray ... Kill ... Shatter .. etc.
      3. Forest
        Forest 1 July 2016 09: 27
        +2
        Well, and who in the 2014 was to finish up the APU's approached reserves? A pair of light infantry mouths without armored vehicles? Until a truce was declared, between Volnovakha and the Sea of ​​Azov, everyone who climbed the allegedly occupied territory did not meet each other, there were a lot of troops there.
      4. Arh
        Arh 1 July 2016 14: 10
        +1
        It seems to me that there will be no new round of war, there will be vile leaps of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Guys, be patient and good luck to the Donetsk people !!!
      5. dima mzk
        dima mzk 2 July 2016 08: 01
        0
        Do not be afraid that they’ve concentrated their rubbish there, it’s a pity, of course, that they beat people blindly, because it’s too much for them, they will never forgive it, and they’re fighting everything with the Russian troops there
      6. Orionvit
        Orionvit 5 July 2016 00: 42
        0
        You probably don’t understand something. There is a war of the West against Russia, and the events in Ukraine are an echo, echoes of this war. From the very beginning, Ukraine (the West) was not going to comply with the Minsk agreements. I will tell you my opinion. Since July 1, Ukraine once again raised prices for housing and communal services tariffs. Amounts payable with Ukrainian pensions and salaries are simply not surplus. For example, if my mother pays her entire pension for the apartment, she will still have to. And this has not yet begun the heating season, in the fall there will be a scribe in general. Tested practice, in order to distract the population from their problems, it is necessary to unfreeze the armed conflict. We went through this more than once.
    3. joopel
      joopel 1 July 2016 08: 19
      +11
      The war in New Russia will continue until the fall of the Bandera regime in Kiev. Banderlogs are inadequate, it is impossible to agree with them. Their inadequacy is evidenced by all their absurd actions that are not amenable to any logic for all two years of their power. You can negotiate only with sane people. Try to find a common language with the patients of the violent chamber in the asylum.
      1. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad 1 July 2016 09: 02
        +1
        Quote: joopel
        actions that do not lend themselves to any logic for all two years of their power

        Let me disagree. The actions of their logic are very amenable, only this logic is grafted into them because of a large puddle.
        1. joopel
          joopel 1 July 2016 23: 15
          0
          First of all, everything that they do, they do at the behest of the soul. The fact that this was their command coincided with a team from across the ocean, they were lucky! By order to do what you love, what a blessing!
    4. Sharapov
      Sharapov 1 July 2016 09: 18
      +4
      Where are the "independent" OSCE observers? Can't you hear them?
      Did you get drunk with a vodka?
      1. lav67
        lav67 1 July 2016 10: 55
        +1
        They are very dependent on the current moment)) I see only what needs to be seen.
      2. Pilot
        Pilot 1 July 2016 11: 34
        0
        Quote: Sharapov
        Observers. Did you get drunk with a vodka?

        Drink whiskey ..
    5. dima mzk
      dima mzk 2 July 2016 07: 54
      0
      no one actually doubted. another heroic offensive was brewing long ago. Now again volunteers from Russia will come and sneakers will begin to fly around the boilers
  2. Wolka
    Wolka 1 July 2016 05: 51
    +3
    however war again, hot
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 1 July 2016 06: 12
    +5
    Hmm .. the rains are over .. the land has dried up .. it started ..
  4. Alekseev
    Alekseev 1 July 2016 06: 13
    +8
    "In response to the" creeping "offensive of the Armed Forces, the Armed Forces must conduct a full-fledged offensive with the task of returning the lost territories."
    But a successful offensive by DPR-LPR "infantry" forces is impossible without suppressing the forces of the so-called ATO not in the breakthrough area on the line of contact, but completely to the entire depth (headquarters, warehouses, areas where reserves are concentrated, unloading stations, bridges, etc.).
    Then, the isolation of the war zone is necessary - the fire of strikes against the approach of reserves, the transportation of ammunition, fuel and lubricants, etc. This isolation requires the participation of aviation ... Perhaps it can be replaced by OTRK and Tornadoes, but in any case it is an escalation. OTRK and Tornadoes in the required volume can be used only by Russian aircraft, and not DLNR.
    But how to make Kiev end the war and implement the Minsk agreements?
    Maybe, while it is possible, as an otvetka, to inflict the strongest fire damage to the WTO in one of the APU brigades?
    For example.
    If the APU will disable power lines, gas and water pipelines, then do it on the territory of Ukraine.
    Maybe it will insert the mind of the Kuevsky bandlogs.
    1. domokl
      domokl 1 July 2016 06: 18
      +10
      You have misunderstood the words "return of lost territories". Talk about what remained in the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the offensive. Plus a gray area.
      And to change the situation in favor of the BCH, it is enough to step up the attack on Mariupol and cut off Ukraine from the ports. This is quite real. And there will be enough forces. The liberation of the entire territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions by the really available forces is not possible. APU today is a completely different army than two years ago
      1. Kenneth
        Kenneth 1 July 2016 06: 48
        +3
        From which ports are you going to cut off Ukraine. Odessa, Berdyansk, Nikolaev, Mariupol ..
        1. domokl
          domokl 1 July 2016 06: 54
          +2
          Mariupol .. and all the Azov ports
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 1 July 2016 07: 22
            -18%
            Quote: domokl
            Mariupol .. and all the Azov ports

            I have great doubts about the ability to take Mariupol. In Armenia it’s possible to go to Ukrainian sites and everything breathes hatred for Russians. There will be no easy walk. Even the very fact of the death of an opera singer who left Paris with his amenities and came to fight in the Donbass shows the degree of patriotism and hate.And the idle thoughts of the author of the article about the fact that the singer wasn’t so hot, since he was killed, they do not add honor to him. The fact remains that the guy left Paris and arrived at the war, where he died. The enemy must be respected even if he is an enemy and fought against you.
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 1 July 2016 07: 37
              +45
              Quote: razmik72
              the guy threw Paris and arrived at the war, where he died

              The "guy" was 42 years old and he "left Paris" because he was supposed to be arrested there for his sadistic treatment of women and animals. That’s all his Bandera essence and got out. I went where I could carry out my perversions with impunity.
              1. razmik72
                razmik72 1 July 2016 07: 50
                -27%
                Quote: Egoza
                Quote: razmik72
                the guy threw Paris and arrived at the war, where he died

                The "guy" was 42 years old and he "left Paris" because he was supposed to be arrested there for his sadistic treatment of women and animals. That’s all his Bandera essence and got out. I went where I could carry out my perversions with impunity.

                And why should I take your words on faith, without any evidence. And wouldn’t it be better to serve a term in France than go to war in the Donbass, where you can get your bullet, which ultimately happened.
                1. Egoza
                  Egoza 1 July 2016 09: 48
                  +11
                  Quote: razmik72
                  And why should I take your words on faith, without any evidence

                  And you present the protocol of the Paris gendarmerie?
                  Quote: razmik72
                  And wasn’t it better to serve time in France than to go to war in the Donbass

                  And if a person's roof is going, because he wants to torment someone, to kill, besides, he is "exceptional". By the way, musicians in Paris noted his arrogance, exaltation of his beloved, a number of intrigues and other qualities that did not characterize him as a decent person.
                  1. razmik72
                    razmik72 1 July 2016 10: 11
                    -13%
                    Quote: Egoza
                    Quote: razmik72
                    And why should I take your words on faith, without any evidence

                    And you present the protocol of the Paris gendarmerie?
                    Quote: razmik72
                    And wasn’t it better to serve time in France than to go to war in the Donbass

                    And if a person's roof is going, because he wants to torment someone, to kill, besides, he is "exceptional". By the way, musicians in Paris noted his arrogance, exaltation of his beloved, a number of intrigues and other qualities that did not characterize him as a decent person.

                    I don’t know what to answer you, maybe there was a late warrior singer with sadistic inclinations, I can’t say anything already. One thing is clear - the same people were artificially divided by some insignificant speech differences and now the blood of Russian people is pouring with on both sides. Wasn’t it better to settle the situation a bit, introduce an armed contingent of OSCE staff and calm the people on both sides. And there, you see, after 40-50 years people will forget this war as a bad dream. But if either side does not go to any concessions, then such a war will go on for ages and people will get tired of it. An example of such a war is the Karabakh conflict, which God has already been stretching for decades and so far has no end in sight.
                    1. Egoza
                      Egoza 1 July 2016 10: 22
                      +13
                      Quote: razmik72
                      the same people were artificially divided according to some insignificant speech differences and now the blood of Russian people is pouring on both sides. Was it not better to settle the situation a bit, introduce an armed contingent of OSCE staff and reassure the people on both sides.

                      Respected! is it just the language? let's start from the beginning ... Donbass was initially against the EU, and people stood as an anti-Maidan from the very beginning. When Berkut was betrayed, they left back ... here Russia recognized the "new power". and then Donbass asked at least to leave more money for the development of the region and leave the Russian language as it was before. And, do not forget that Shell was going to extract shale gas there. It was necessary to free the territory from the population, which was clearly outraged by this, they had already heard a lot about shale gas. This is where Turchinov said the "separatists", "pro-Russian" "hinder the partners from the United States," in short, the troops are on them. And away we go .... primitively described, but in general, something like that.
                      1. Roman 11
                        Roman 11 1 July 2016 21: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: Egoza
                        and then Donbass asked at least to leave more money for the development of the region and leave the Russian language, as it was before.
                        primitively described, but in general somehow.

                        It was easier: In 2004, one woman with a scythe said that Donbass needed to be surrounded by barbed wire ..... it was said on emotions, but people probably were offended and remembered, because 10 years later, Strelkov’s detachment (70 people) captured a decent territory - NOTICE partially Donbass and Lugansk were able to change power ..... it means that people had expectations and they needed to be protected with something. And in other regions, punitive actions and radicals quickly suppressed spontaneous actions.
                2. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 2 July 2016 00: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: razmik72
                  And why should I take your words on faith, without any evidence.

                  Are you an ordinary troll? How not ashamed! Why are these troll excuses?
            2. CONTROL
              CONTROL 1 July 2016 07: 45
              +15
              Quote: razmik72
              I have great doubts about the ability to take Mariupol. In Armenia it is possible to go to Ukrainian sites and everything breathes with hatred of the Russians.

              The same is enough on Russian sites! If - search and "enter" ...
              ... Who is imprisoned for what!
              Or, in other words - "the pig will find dirt" ...
            3. SSR
              SSR 1 July 2016 07: 48
              +9
              + zero))) The fact that you have access to Ukrosayt is good but not a diagnosis))))
              The opera, as Egoza correctly noted, is a sadistic banal opera.
              Sites are not an indicator, go to the echo of matzo and you will understand that we all hate "Raska", although this is a far-off "rainbow" little one trying to dictate conditions to the majority.
              But Mariupol’s imha can’t be taken, it’s just surrounded, the militia is not fascists and enemies of ordinary people and cities and villages will not be bombed and, if necessary, unarmed civilians will be allowed to enter the territory of Ukrii, and ordinary citizens will not be honored.
            4. sla1372
              sla1372 1 July 2016 10: 11
              +4
              I disagree in principle with such a statement
              Quote: razmik72
              everything breathes with hatred of the Russians.

              and especially with regards to the cities of Donbass controlled by Kiev rather the opposite
            5. KaPToC
              KaPToC 2 July 2016 00: 31
              +1
              Quote: razmik72
              In Armenia it is possible to go to Ukrainian sites and everything breathes with hatred for Russians.

              For example, on the creation of the Americans censor? Bloggers - alternatively gifted people - hatred on a site does not mean hatred among the people.
      2. razmik72
        razmik72 1 July 2016 07: 12
        -10%
        Quote: domokl
        You have misunderstood the words "return of lost territories". Talk about what remained in the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the offensive. Plus a gray area.
        And to change the situation in favor of the BCH, it is enough to step up the attack on Mariupol and cut off Ukraine from the ports. This is quite real. And there will be enough forces. The liberation of the entire territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions by the really available forces is not possible. APU today is a completely different army than two years ago

        Even if the DPR troops take Mariupol in this way, Ukraine will still have ports on the sea, they will not be cut off from the sea. But in light of the increased combat effectiveness of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, this operation seems a little unrealistic.
      3. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 1 July 2016 07: 15
        +3
        But the forces are surely not enough. They managed to put themselves in a more or less order. The defeat near Ilovaisk and the environment of the Armed Forces near Debaltseve are two big differences, and this all leads to reflection ... At the moment, the superiority of forces is clearly behind the banderlogs ..
        Quote: domokl
        You have misunderstood the words "return of lost territories". Talk about what remained in the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the offensive. Plus a gray area.
        And to change the situation in favor of the BCH, it is enough to step up the attack on Mariupol and cut off Ukraine from the ports. This is quite real. And there will be enough forces. The liberation of the entire territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions by the really available forces is not possible. APU today is a completely different army than two years ago
        1. SSR
          SSR 1 July 2016 07: 50
          +8
          That is, the regular army of Vsu was able to put itself in order and the militia that smashed the regular army during this time degraded?
      4. CONTROL
        CONTROL 1 July 2016 07: 41
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        APU today is a completely different army than two years ago

        Kiev is implementing the scenario "Serbian Krajina - Croatia" ...
        1. domokl
          domokl 1 July 2016 08: 26
          +2
          Quote: CONTROL
          Kiev is implementing the scenario "Serbian Krajina - Croatia" ...

          This is what the article says ... By the way, Gunpowder announced this in the 14 year
      5. siberalt
        siberalt 1 July 2016 08: 08
        +5
        Without Mariupol, Donbass is not quite Donbass. And at least one border is needed with a neighboring region, preferably with Zaporozhye. Then the Kuyevskaya junta will pretty much stagger and it will be possible to go straight to, for example, "Minsk-10" or "100500".
        1. Venceremos
          Venceremos 3 July 2016 08: 21
          +3
          Quote: siberalt
          Without Mariupol, the Donbass is not quite the Donbass.

          Ukraine without Mariupol, in general, ZERO WITHOUT a STICK. (Not in the sense that "Mariupol Ukrainian misto", but about the economic and financial significance of the city).
      6. Shustov
        Shustov 3 July 2016 08: 31
        0
        Tipun to your tongue! And don’t remember, Mariupol didn’t take it in 2014 and the Natsiks were already jumping, but it turned out to be not so easy. Read DNR24 there is now just an article explaining why they didn’t take Mariupol;
        And since they took Debaltseve, how is Donetsk holding on, so well, they "liberated" it, the residents of Mariupol do not have much money to go somewhere, there are no thanks for refugees to Russia, brothers !!!
        For two years people in Mariupol were worried about what to do, how to be, and only now they wrote an article saying "they were afraid of cutting off the water to Donetsk", heh thanks.
        So forget about Mariupol you (it is not clear who) betrayed him, and we, with our pro-Russian views, will shut up and will live our life with the Nazis.
        And let your lop-eared FSB ride on Gelendvagens, let ISIS do business in Russia itself, in general, strange people go about their strange affairs and for Mariupol keep silent the grief strategists !!!
  5. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 1 July 2016 06: 19
    +1
    It's hard to believe, everything is peaceful here, but there the "advancing motorized infantry" falls under artillery fire ...
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 1 July 2016 06: 25
    +1
    To enlighten this victim of a drunken midwife can be elementary, for this there is a GTS. I think the Western partners will not like this very much, they themselves will unscrew the dumb head. In the process of fighting that just does not happen.
  7. PKK
    PKK 1 July 2016 06: 27
    +9
    Dead Memory, wounded recovery. I hope the tasks of the LDNR Command, the troops will be completed.
  8. mamont5
    mamont5 1 July 2016 06: 46
    +11
    "I don't know what kind of singer he is, but the soldier turned out to be so-so."

    The punisher and the killer are NOT a soldier!
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 1 July 2016 07: 25
      -38%
      Quote: mamont5
      "I don't know what kind of singer he is, but the soldier turned out to be so-so."

      The punisher and the killer are NOT a soldier!

      In a war, all killers, if you still did not know this, no one there with good intentions with a machine gun will not shoot at another.
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 1 July 2016 09: 13
        +13
        Quote: razmik72
        In a war, all killers, if you still did not know this, no one there with good intentions with a machine gun will not shoot at another.


        What are you saying ?! That is, according to your logic, the soldiers of the Wehrmacht and the soldiers of the Red Army are absolutely the same killers ?! If you say that this is so, then you are even more terrible than I thought about you! Interesting, what can you say about the defenders of Karabakh ?! Are they killers too ?!
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 1 July 2016 09: 47
          +1
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          Quote: razmik72
          In a war, all killers, if you still did not know this, no one there with good intentions with a machine gun will not shoot at another.


          What are you saying ?! That is, according to your logic, the soldiers of the Wehrmacht and the soldiers of the Red Army are absolutely the same killers ?! If you say that this is so, then you are even more terrible than I thought about you! Interesting, what can you say about the defenders of Karabakh ?! Are they killers too ?!

          I, too, was the defender of Karabakh and I do not deny that I am a murderer, I had to do it so that others would live. I’m not the same as you are trying to moralize, my grandfather and great-grandfather fought the same in my family had to kill and involuntarily become killers, my grandfather himself told me that they don’t give out sweets in the war, either you kill or you will be killed. And he told all this so that his grandson would not volunteer for the war, but I still don’t obeyed.
          Before throwing such words into a person, you need to listen to what he is talking about. I personally did not give out flowers during the war.
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 1 July 2016 10: 39
            +2
            razmik72
            plus for restraint. Unfortunately VO + earns "high words". Other opinions are mercilessly minus. And, as a rule, these are keyboard heroes whose biggest test in life was camping with a night in a tent. They think that the soldier with pleasure endures the "hardships and hardships of military service" (c). At one time, being a serviceman, (now a military man) volunteered to go to Chechnya, to defend the Motherland. My wife, knowing that I could not be stopped, said one phrase: "It is a sin to voluntarily go to war in your country with your people ..." Then I thought about it and realized that she was right. So I think that there is no special need for us to climb into Ukraine yet.
            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 1 July 2016 13: 51
              +13
              Quote: BecmepH
              Unfortunately VO + earns "high words". Other opinions are mercilessly minus.


              To call a soldier and defender of the fatherland a murderer is at least vile! My grandfather went through two wars, from beginning to end, but in my life my tongue will not turn to call him a murderer! In general, it is simply immoral to compare soldiers who were going to defend their homeland with real Nazi killers!

              And you are not the only ones who fought here, yes I was not in the army and did not look "death in the face", how many people like to flaunt here, but I have two brothers passed through Chechnya and no one is particularly flaunting this, but they are also killers too do not count!
              1. Prometey
                Prometey 2 July 2016 19: 34
                +1
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                To call a soldier and defender of the fatherland a murderer is at least vile!

                Soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who believe that they are protecting Ukraine from "Russian aggressors" and shelling "terrorists" in Donetsk - defenders or murderers?
            2. 72jora72
              72jora72 1 July 2016 23: 29
              +5
              "It's a sin to voluntarily go to war in your country with your people ..." Then I thought about it and realized that she was right. So I think that there is no special need for us to climb into Ukraine yet.
              I fundamentally disagree with you, at that time all the rabble gathered from all over the world in Chechnya, and if everyone thought like you, today blacks would have cut their heads to people in Rostov and Voronezh. correct.
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 1 July 2016 12: 36
            +6
            I was also the defender of Karabakh and I do not deny that I am a murderer, I had to do this so that others would live.


            I didn’t have to fight in my life. But, IMHO, you are wrong, to call a soldier a murderer is not right. In any case, if not you, then you. Killers are those who kill civilians, prisoners of war. In general, those who cannot answer.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 1 July 2016 20: 25
        +3
        Quote: razmik72
        In the war all the killers


        Re-read "War and Peace" wise guy. If you can't tell a fence from a fence, then shut up better.
      3. esaul1950
        esaul1950 1 July 2016 20: 51
        +2
        "Eagle". the soldier defends the Motherland and does not kill women and children, and the punisher kills everyone, including the citizens of his country.
    2. PKK
      PKK 1 July 2016 16: 38
      +1
      This opera idol, in a trench, began to behave as if on stage, flaunting and painting.
  9. Tamerlan I
    Tamerlan I 1 July 2016 06: 58
    0
    The "Minsk Agreement" in both the 1st and 2nd editions did not suggest anything else ... a "cunning plan".
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 1 July 2016 07: 03
    +2
    Today Lysenko is a big man. After all, the speaker of the president Poroshenko concerning anti-terrorist operation.

    And as it was - a stump of a kick, so it will remain! laughing
  11. Awaz
    Awaz 1 July 2016 07: 10
    +2
    I'm only interested in one thing. Judging by the information from both sides, there are a lot of victims, but for some reason there is no video or photo of these very victims. Both sides have never hesitated to show the results of their "work". If the Donetsk people were retreating in panic, they would have left the wounded and killed, and vice versa ... There is not even a photo and video of burnt equipment coming out. And the wording of events and their development on both sides is painfully vague. In general, what was it
    1. domokl
      domokl 1 July 2016 08: 28
      0
      There was no panic ... Really demolished the checkpoint. But this can only be called a combat stance.
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 1 July 2016 09: 22
        +1
        Well, I also already found out that BCH was retreating not only as planned, but in a very organized way. But there is still no video and photo evidence of victories, and on both sides.
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  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 July 2016 07: 12
    +2
    Only in this case will Ukrainian politicians become "able to conduct full-fledged negotiations

    That's for sure. As soon as they get hit in the head and are in the cauldron, they immediately become ready for negotiations. Twice gave them the opportunity to wake up to the so-called "Minskami", probably enough?
  14. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 1 July 2016 07: 14
    +4
    Let me remind you that it all started with a message about the death of an opera singer. The great singer rushed from France to destroy separatism. Naturally, as part of the Right Sector. I do not know what kind of singer he is, but the soldier turned out to be so-so.
    The message about this miscarriage appeared on 28.06.16 at 23.49, and has absolutely nothing to do with the active events at the "Svetlodar arc", which began at about 7.00 on 29.06.16! Yes, and he died near Donetsk, yesterday the dog in the Dnieper (Dnepropetrovsk) and buried. There was no place either in his native Lviv, or even more so in France, since he fled from there on pain of arrest for violence against a woman!
    In general, no analysts, no news, no comments verified for objectivity - just a cut from the messages of the "Russian Spring"!
  15. PValery53
    PValery53 1 July 2016 07: 23
    +1
    “Taking this opportunity, it would be useful” to reliably cover the activists of the breakthrough in Debaltseve with an artillery attack, so that there was no one to return home. And since the initiative is punishable, then make a rustle in the territory occupied by dill.
    1. domokl
      domokl 1 July 2016 08: 32
      0
      Minsk agreements .. mother of their children fellow
  16. Egoza
    Egoza 1 July 2016 07: 41
    +11
    be that as it may, but there was no need to arrange Minsky. only the Armed Forces of Ukraine were allowed to recover and strengthen. The entire territory of the LPR would have been liberated long ago. That is when they would start "political settlement".
    1. atos_kin
      atos_kin 1 July 2016 08: 10
      0
      There was no need to recognize the junta, so as not to "partner" later. And a zone without large calibers could be declared without Minsk with the help of "Calibers".
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 1 July 2016 08: 49
        +3
        If "Calibers" arrive at the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they will definitely begin to receive lethal weapons from behind a puddle, and the Russian "aggression" will be recognized by the West, instead of the current la-la.
      3. Cat man null
        Cat man null 1 July 2016 09: 00
        -12%
        Quote: atos_kin
        And a zone without large calibers could be declared without Minsk with the help of "Calibers".

        Damn, now, they found a panacea ... CALIBER calls fellow

        - you see, in Ukraine there is still some kind of air defense
        - Caliber is a cruise missile, it flies meeedenly
        - Ukrainians nafig will bring down these Caliber, that's the whole story
        - although not - not all: the stench will be no less than with a downed Boeing (when the Beech was searched)

        So clearer? wink
        1. atos_kin
          atos_kin 1 July 2016 10: 15
          0
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          So clearer?

          It is clear that with the "partnership" you are doing well and there is no stench, but you know everything about Caliber and can teach schoolchildren. Only sometimes not only read, but think. wink
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 1 July 2016 11: 18
            -5
            Quote: atos_kin
            It is clear that with the "partnership" you are doing well and there is no stench, but you know everything about Caliber and can teach schoolchildren. Only sometimes not only read, but also think

            - what kind of arrivals, dear?
            - in Ukraine there is no air defense left? Just like in Syria, right?
            - The caliber can not be brought down by means of air defense available in Ukraine?

            Explain if possible yes
            1. atos_kin
              atos_kin 1 July 2016 12: 44
              -2
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Explain if possible

              "Hit", dear, was not planned. In his commentary, he tried to convey the idea that it was impossible to allow the junta to drag "large calibers" to the Donbass, both by tough diplomatic and economical methods, and by a demonstration of military force. And there was such an opportunity. And the name "Calibers" meant all types and types of weapons, including "polite people".
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 1 July 2016 12: 53
                +5
                Quote: atos_kin
                In his commentary, he tried to convey the idea that it was impossible to allow the junta to drag "large calibers" to Donbass, both by tough diplomatic and economical methods, and by a demonstration of military force

                - yeah, now it’s clear ...

                Quote: atos_kin
                And such an opportunity was

                - um ... when, what, interesting? As for the "demonstration" - if you remember, when everything was just beginning, there they overtook the equipment to the border (with Ukraine) ... well, just a lot belay

                Quote: atos_kin
                the name "Calibers" meant all types and types of weapons, including "polite people".

                - cool ... Sorry, I did not understand the whole depth of thought repeat

                Quote: atos_kin
                "Hit", dear, and was not planned

                - well, nice yes
    2. Alexander War
      Alexander War 1 July 2016 09: 08
      +1
      Then I agree with you 100 percent, they have strengthened, they have not dug in well, they are restoring equipment, they are already receiving new UAVs
    3. BecmepH
      BecmepH 1 July 2016 10: 44
      +1
      Long ago, the entire territory of LDNR would be freed
      Well Duc Marshal's baton in your hands. Go and organize the liberation of LDNR. On the clave we all heroically knock. Oh, we can’t, but we can.
    4. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 1 July 2016 15: 53
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      be that as it may, but there was no need to arrange Minsky. only the Armed Forces of Ukraine were allowed to recover and strengthen. The entire territory of the LPR would have been liberated long ago. That is when they would start "political settlement".


      Well then go - free, couch warriors ...
      I will not sign my son.
      And generally it’s not good when our guys are HEROES! without honors they secretly bury.
      Yes, they scare relatives to deprive payments.
  17. CONTROL
    CONTROL 1 July 2016 07: 55
    +3
    And the conclusion from the foregoing is almost the same: it is time for Russia to decide something on the issue with Ukraine! ...
    "Minsk, Brussels" and so on. - not an option! ...
    1. Beefeater
      Beefeater 1 July 2016 09: 27
      +1
      Quote: CONTROL
      And the conclusion from the foregoing is almost the same: it is time for Russia to decide something on the issue with Ukraine! ...
      "Minsk, Brussels" and so on. - not an option! ...

      Yes, do not wait for us. Many continue to want to go to Europe.
      Ukraine and Poland are a territory of turmoil, the inhabitants of which, in their desire for freedom, are ready to smash everything. The recovery period may take years.
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 1 July 2016 09: 53
      +2
      Quote: CONTROL
      "Minsk, Brussels" and so on. - not an option! ...

      What the hell is that?

      - Ukraine now lives only at the expense of borrowed money
      - This money is given to her, including by the EU
      - which (the EU, well, except for the most stubborn ones - such as Tribaltia and Poland) already understands that no matter how much you give, there’s no sense, that is:

      - Germany and France are already beginning to put pressure on Poroshenko (like, "well, do you at least do something already")
      - as an option - "and you observe Minsk-2"
      - for Poroshenko it is stupid suicide
      - Donbass Poroshenko seriously fight ... but just physically unable

      As a result, the state of Kiev "lord" can now be described as "zugzwang in time trouble" fellow

      Quote: CONTROL
      it's time for Russia to decide something on the issue with Ukraine! ...

      - yes, it would be ... It will fall on its own, and if you push in time, it will fall faster

      And that’s all. IMHO, yes yes
  18. Wolka
    Wolka 1 July 2016 08: 54
    0
    The Ukrainian Armed Forces are actively pulling armored vehicles and other heavy weapons to the line of demarcation, it’s strange, but why does the LPNR not conduct a "mine-rail war" of communications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, or have they forgotten about the partisan war ...
    1. Forest
      Forest 1 July 2016 09: 31
      0
      And what, the fighting on the front continues?
  19. Alexander War
    Alexander War 1 July 2016 08: 58
    +2
    Here at Chervonets http://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/1417091.html about the onset of the VSU was
  20. Vladimir
    Vladimir 1 July 2016 09: 14
    0
    Quote: razmik72
    And why should I take your words on faith, without any evidence


    Well, excuse me, in order to find out the whole truth, what and how most likely you should go there yourself. In our media, the information looks very sparingly, right in two lines. Yet in the morning this appeared: http://ghall.com.ua/2016/07 / 01 / pod-debaltsevo-soversheno-pokushenye-na-hlavarya-
    dnr-hyrkyn /, believe to disbelieve judge for yourself, personally I like the journalists not so much.
  21. Alexander War
    Alexander War 1 July 2016 09: 14
    +1
    And as you dug in, you can see on Yandex maps
  22. runway
    runway 1 July 2016 09: 18
    0
    How much more time does Merkel, Obama, Hollande and the hedgehog with them need to understand that Parashenko will not stop trying to drag them into a big war in Ukraine?
    So Mikhail Zadornov is right?
  23. Wildfox
    Wildfox 1 July 2016 09: 22
    +4
    Sorry to say a cynical thing, but in the territory it’s a black soil dotted with shell fragments.
    More importantly, the APU found a weak spot and hit! This cannot be left unanswered, but I would like to see no cries about the unrealistic capture of Mariupol and Berdyansk. Turn the cities pretty well fortified for the environment, plus access to the sea will allow delivering BC and people, even fishing pelvis.
    1. As I understand it, 2 dominant heights are lost, the question arose of how much this changed the balance of power in this sector. If not much, then everything is not so bad.
    2. Shouting about the coverage of cities and the return of gray zones. They had to be covered and returned immediately and not when the Armed Forces of Ukraine and volunteers dug in there. On the march and in the attack the greatest losses, and the Militia is not dimensionless. Perhaps this is what the Ukrainian Armed Forces hope to rush to "take revenge" and it will be possible to break them on their own line of defense.
    3. No questions were raised to those who created these gray zones. Well, how did they justify themselves?

    I hope to see good news in the near future, guesses and slogans will bring little benefit here. Keep your fingers on the cross for VSN hi
    1. domokl
      domokl 1 July 2016 11: 00
      +1
      Quote: WildFox
      As I understand it, the dominant heights lost 2, the question was born of how much this changed the balance of power in this sector. If not much, then everything is not so bad.

      The dominant heights allow you to control not only ALL the nearest settlements, including Debaltseve, but also the access roads for him ...
      Quote: WildFox
      They had to be captured and returned immediately and not when the APU and volunteers dug in there. The biggest losses on the march and attack

      No one speaks of a general offensive. The conversation is about specific points. To change the whole situation, it is enough to block, but it is better to take Mariupol. By the way, I agree on the creation of a serious fortified area there. And around?
      Quote: WildFox
      No questions were raised to those who created these gray zones. Well, how did they justify themselves?

      Gray zones are created according to the Minsk agreements on the separation of troops from the demarcation line. Did they justify themselves? Just like ... I'm not afraid to write, these gray areas have saved many peaceful lives
      1. black
        black 1 July 2016 11: 46
        +1
        You probably are new to the area in that area. There is one height, east of Sanzharovka 709 (700,9 ?, I don’t remember exactly), which allows you to control the area around. Everything else is small pimples. There is a terrain profile - from Sanzharovka to Artyomovsk, all the way down. The offensive of the Armed Forces - was a scam.
  24. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 1 July 2016 09: 23
    +9
    As soon as the tension in relations with Turkey began to subside in the Russian Federation ... Oops ... it started in the Donbass. And the partners have nothing to do with it
  25. JonnyT
    JonnyT 1 July 2016 09: 31
    +1
    The time has come for the poproshenko to report on loans. As mentioned above, the Americans and NATO will closely observe the actions of their "laboratory mice" - the Armed Forces of Ukraine and draw conclusions. Plus, the old gramophone with a worn-out record about aggressive Russia and the peaceful defensive NATe is turned on again. Disagreements in the camp of NATO countries are intensifying and the fighting in Ukraine should rally (or pinch) allies (slaves).
  26. kit-kat
    kit-kat 1 July 2016 09: 37
    +1
    "Russian proverb"? Well, moron ...
  27. Yurmix
    Yurmix 1 July 2016 10: 07
    +3
    Quote: razmik72
    In a war, all killers, if you still did not know this, no one there with good intentions with a machine gun will not shoot at another.

    Interesting thinking ..... the killers are all of course, but there is one thing, but when a person protects his hearth from creatures by encroaching on his life and the rest of the pious people cannot be a freak by definition, and can be considered good intentions.
    1. domokl
      domokl 1 July 2016 11: 02
      +5
      A soldier cannot be a killer by definition. The killer kills the defenseless. A soldier kills enemies.
      But the punisher, the one who comes for the soldier is a murderer ... Maybe the grandfather served there with a friend?
  28. GUKTU
    GUKTU 1 July 2016 10: 17
    +3
    I think that some meanness dill with mattresses venture to open the Olympics in RIO. Remember the 2008 year, then the Sochi Olympics. And now there is reconnaissance in battle. We must wait for the provocation with subsequent high-profile statements and the State Department
  29. kotuk_ha_oxote
    kotuk_ha_oxote 1 July 2016 10: 29
    0
    Quote: GUKTU
    I think that some meanness dill with mattresses venture to open the Olympics in RIO. Remember the 2008 year, then the Sochi Olympics. And now there is reconnaissance in battle. We must wait for the provocation with subsequent high-profile statements and the State Department

    And formidable Russian silence)
  30. Gray 43
    Gray 43 1 July 2016 10: 50
    +2
    The junta realized that fat shmat was completely difficult to eat, they were trying to cut into pieces, it would continue until the republics cut the message with Russia, then there would be a reprisal in the spirit of the ideological ancestors of Poppel and other nonhumans
  31. Old warrior
    Old warrior 1 July 2016 11: 11
    0
    But I wonder - the militias returned heights of 216 and 220?
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 1 July 2016 13: 33
      0
      Quote: Old Warrior
      But I wonder - the militias returned heights of 216 and 220?

      It's time to take Kiev! Someone shows treacherous negligence and does not give orders, while the Nazis kill our brothers, our wives, old people and children!
      Dakoli, I want to ask, until liberals will suck the blood of a Russian person !!!!!
  32. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 1 July 2016 12: 00
    0
    Quote: Sharapov
    Where are the "independent" OSCE observers? Can't you hear them?
    Did you get drunk with a vodka?

    They issued pistols a month ago, so they left for cartridges.
  33. black
    black 1 July 2016 12: 20
    +9
    There is no normal professional analysis of the situation. Everything is at the OBS level. We will not talk about losses. Under the guise of artillery work, the Armed Forces of Ukraine seized the foremost VSN posts in the gray zone. These are not positions, namely posts. But at the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not take the opportunity to attack Debaltseve, then Chernukhino, Fashchevka, and the border. With one blow, split the BCH group. Judging by reports, the advance was led by a battalion reinforced by tanks to the company. Deepening to a depth of 4 km, he completed his task. Next, it was necessary to launch the attack of the second echelon, reinforced with an armored fist. That did not happen. Why? Take a word. Once every two to three months I sit down and use open and not very wink sources, I assess the capabilities of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and NGs. The fact that they are running out of shells, I said six months ago (this is to brag). All brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, declared as motorized infantry and mechanized, are in fact motorized. For each brigade, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can deploy no more than 1-2 tank companies. Yes Yes. Let's add a shortage of large-caliber shells and wear and tear of military equipment. The machine clock is dripping. Recently, Kharkov tank builders reported on overhaul, as many as 30 tanks. Well, how recently? It will be half a year soon. Announcing the next advances in the ATO zone, the defenders of the Square simply occupy the gray zone, moving their positions closer to the VSN. What for? "They are preparing an offensive, they are preparing an offensive, preparing ...!" And they are buried, buried and buried. Unlike VSN. Maybe they are just preparing for defense, echeloning it as much as possible? I repeat. I wrote yesterday and today. The APU offensive in that area is a scam. It's like going on the attack from the foot to the top of a mountain, only the slope is stretched for ten kilometers. As a result, units of the 54th brigade received a sea of ​​artillery fire. What the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot afford now. The VSN transferred two separate battalions to the area of ​​a possible breakthrough and repulsed the positions. The command also probably thought that a major offensive was being prepared. I don’t know what the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine thought, and I’m afraid to guess. "Let us slip through - let us pass. If we do not slip through, we will keep warm." So what?
    1. Roman 11
      Roman 11 1 July 2016 21: 54
      0
      Quote: black
      using open and not very sources

      Are you not Biryukov?
  34. zb-65
    zb-65 1 July 2016 12: 29
    +7
    Quote: Egoza
    That's all his Bandera essence and got out. I went to the place where I could fulfill my perversions with impunity.

    ... His Mephistopheles aria ... he performed on the scene more than once ... And carried away by evil spirits ... he rushed to the Donbass ... As a singer he was, in general, so-so ... Like a warrior - not at all ... But, the devils stirred him up ... took possession of his head ... Growing a tail on a little head ... (without a tail, there are no devils) ... He chose an unsuccessful little time ... And he went for his death his...
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  36. Al1977
    Al1977 1 July 2016 13: 31
    -2
    Obviously, the United States gave Poroshenko the go-ahead for the war with Russia. A large-scale war is being prepared, in which we will win. They do not know this, because they were zombified with special technologies, but we will defeat everyone, first Ukraine, then Europe and the USA. The account goes on days and hours. This is all obvious !!!!
  37. Shustov
    Shustov 1 July 2016 14: 01
    -4
    Quote: jarome
    Most will not like what I say.
    Most comments on all news about LDNR call for an offensive, new battles, a campaign against Kharkov, Nikolaev and Kiev, and even Lviv.
    Most hate Minsk, cutting off the flow of "interesting and exciting" information about the war and active databases.
    All of them will be at war, but on the Internet, as spectators.

    And what do the inhabitants of LDNR, the mothers and wives of the soldiers of the republican armies, think about this? They ...? I did not take part in the polls, but I think that Minsk would have arranged many as an at least temporary measure, but without Ugro-Gabon shelling. And here I doubt that the meat grinder is the only way to stop it. The Republican armies will win and the new line of contact will lie, for example, along the borders of the regions, and the situation there will be the same as now.

    If we reject the fantastic scenarios in the near future (Ukraine has begun to see clearly, the storming of Kiev and Lvov), then the ceasefire must be achieved by other means, political first of all. But there is a sluggish wordplay, amid gunfights and all.

    Here was the news about the active movement, see how many comments around this news.
    And when the news comes about another shelling, the imminent offensive of the Armed Forces, etc. - 20-30 comments and that’s it. As with Syria. Maybe this is a subconscious desire to see a war? ... Damn, wildly, but I can’t give up the idea that this drives many opponents of various truces.


    So if you are an uncle with such "quirks" then accept refugees, arrange for the LDNR militias, and stop supporting the LDNR, strengthen the border, do not let volunteers in and you will not have any problems "there are no others, but those are far away", the Nazis will finish off those who are just was not delighted with their power and all the PEACE came for you. The sanctions will be lifted from you and you will live like in paradise !!!!
    And we, in turn, will say goodbye to the myth of "fraternal peoples", regardless of the facts of history, we will vote for the next US military base, as well as missile defense systems, we will enter Europe and it seems to us it will be fine there.
    Lord, what kind of nonsense does the Internet suffer !!! ??? Don't you think looking at yourself !?
    Maybe you misunderstand something, or pretend to be ah !! ???
    1. black
      black 1 July 2016 15: 02
      +1
      Can you offer anything other than emotional statements about Jerome? Do you know anything else besides ur-ur? The balance of forces and means, tactical properties of the area? And the last question. And at whose expense is this banquet? There not denyuzhku, there is a krovochka, you have to pay.
      1. Shustov
        Shustov 2 July 2016 14: 43
        -1
        My comment is entirely a suggestion of how to proceed, whatever it is at someone's expense, so that your heads don't hurt what to do with the Nazis in Ukraine, just "merge" with the Donbass, to the point. And keeping people between heaven and earth now it looks like mockery.
        And if you all are not indifferent to the fate of the people of Donbass, then at least petition the FMS to facilitate the issuance of citizenship to those who want to survive and leave for Russia.
        By the way, for the "great minds", THE WAR HAS ALREADY STARTED.
  38. Trevis
    Trevis 1 July 2016 15: 00
    +1
    Shyurt, according to Khokhlozomboyaschik this is shown. You will not believe!
  39. Uncle Murzik
    Uncle Murzik 1 July 2016 15: 50
    +1
    “The attack of the Kiev militants in the area of ​​the village of Logvinovo was not spontaneous, but was of a planned nature. The LITS correspondent was informed about this by the soldiers of the People's Militia of the LPR, who were repelling the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The official representative of the defense department of the LPR, Major Andrei Marochko, said that the People's Militia blocked an attempt to break through, which was made on June 29 by units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​the village of Logvinovo. “This was the fastest order, because their work was competent, but we fought back, gave an answer, pushing them back to their original positions,” said Dmitry Sevastyanov, a shooter of a medical platoon of a motorized rifle battalion. “We are in Logvinovo and were there, no one did not go here, their operation failed, "the soldier emphasized. He noted that after the failed operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine there was a certain lull in the Debaltsevo direction, although the shelling of the positions of the People's Militia continues. "It is calm now, but everyone is serious, we are waiting and are on full alert," Sevastyanov said. "In general, the situation is aggravated - we are daily bombarded by the Ukrainian army." In turn, the shooter of the machine-gun platoon of the motorized rifle battalion, Private Sergei Sobolev, noted that the Ukrainian militants began to fire from 4.00 am. “I don’t know what moved them, but they didn’t succeed. As we were on alert at our checkpoints, we are doing it,” he said. The fighter of the People's Militia did not rule out that the decision to conduct this operation in the Armed Forces of Ukraine was made after the celebration of the Constitution Day of Ukraine. "
  40. Alexander_
    Alexander_ 1 July 2016 17: 07
    +2
    Quote: razmik72
    It is necessary to show respect to the enemy, even if he is the enemy and fought against you.

    There are no opponents and enemies, there are killers. The killers have a specific task - to kill everyone who does not agree with them, or some other task they have? Which one?
  41. 23424636
    23424636 1 July 2016 17: 11
    +1
    I agree with the author of the article about the need for an urgent restoration of lost positions, the rhetoric and curators from Russia and the ever-crying Basurin resembles the bleating of lambs. when the wolf climbed into the shepherd. It seems that there is a quiet drain of this territory covered with the blood of militias. Mourners in the old days chill down their souls with stories that Zaitsevo was captured and the Ukrainians approached Gorlovka. I think if this is a provocation with the lure of prepared bridgeheads to destroy the counter-offensive forces, then Logvinovo is located on a hill lower to the north with a powerful dam near Svetlodarsk, a breakthrough of which threatens to demolish large villages and cities of the Lugansk republic, with the republic opposing further captures and lick the wounds considering the loss of ukrov it \ can only journalists. Where is the answer !?
  42. Alexander War
    Alexander War 1 July 2016 17: 14
    +1
    Photos of those of 54
  43. Alexander War
    Alexander War 1 July 2016 17: 15
    +1
    A couple more photos
  44. Alexander War
    Alexander War 1 July 2016 17: 16
    +1
    Photo continued
  45. Alexander War
    Alexander War 1 July 2016 17: 19
    +1
    A month ago near Volnovakha 72 sun
  46. Alexander War
    Alexander War 1 July 2016 17: 20
    +1
    Another photo 72 near Volnovakha
  47. D. Dan
    D. Dan 1 July 2016 19: 07
    -1
    Immediately at the hearing of Givi da Motorola! Are you afraid of the Komi peasant ?,? ..?
  48. Lyubopyatov
    Lyubopyatov 1 July 2016 19: 14
    0
    Events in Debaltseve, near Debaltseve, near Debaltsev ...
  49. Lyubopyatov
    Lyubopyatov 1 July 2016 19: 22
    -3
    Conclusion: "The Armed Forces of Novorossiya need to carry out a full-fledged offensive with the task of returning the lost territories." Exactly!
    Otherwise, after the September elections, United Russia will have to redistribute the votes "against all" in its favor and expel Dvorkovich and Kudrin and Nabey-Ullina from the government.
  50. AKS-U
    AKS-U 1 July 2016 20: 12
    +1
    Business. Blood business. And he suits everyone. And the United States, and the European Union, and Russia, and Ukraine. It does not suit only people living in LNR. And these attempts under Debaltseve, this is a tug of war.