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Who built Arkaim: DNA genealogy knows about it

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Both Eastern Slavs, Armenians and Anatolians all have an Aryan ancestor.


Let's consider another question: What about the Caucasus, Anatolia, the Middle East, the Arabian Peninsula as possible ancestral home of the Aryans, the genus R1a, the Slavs? We'll see.

Armenia. The age of the common ancestor of the genus R1a is 4400 years ago.

Asia Minor, Anatolian Peninsula. Historical crossroads on the routes between the Middle East, Europe and Asia. It was the first or second candidate for the "Indo-European ancestral home." However, the common ancestor of R1a lived there the same 4500-4000 years ago. But this is an “Indo-European” common ancestor. And the migration route of the most ancient carriers of R1a passed through Anatolia to the west, towards Europe, about 10-9 thousand years ago. This migration was also caught by linguists, having placed the proto-Indo-European language in Anatolia the same 10-9 thousand years ago.

Who built Arkaim: DNA genealogy knows about it

Panorama of the surroundings of the fortified settlement Arkaim. Photo from ru.wikipedia.org

Only this is not the “ancestral home” of the Indo-European language, it is a transit from the east to Europe. And the Balkans - not the ancestral homeland, also transit. And the Black Sea steppes - not the ancestral homeland, is also transit. So the situation with linguists, who cannot find the “ancestral home” of Indo-European languages ​​for two hundred years, is clearing up, and there is no gap.

There can be no “ancestral home” for a language that for thousands of years in motions, in the effects of divergence and convergence, and at the same time its speakers, in this case R1a, as carriers of Proto-Indo-European and then Indo-European, also Aryan, passed a long way from South Siberia to Europe, from about 20 thousands of years ago to 10-9 thousands of years ago, and then about 5 thousands of years ago went to the east and further to the Trans-Urals up to China, to the southeast to India and Iran, to south through the Caucasus to Mesopotamia and further to Arabia and to the Indian Ocean.

Perhaps, he washed his boots. So again, the dialectic, the development of a spiral. So, both Eastern Slavs, Armenians, and Anatolians all have an Aryan ancestor either the same, or their ancestors are very close in time, within several generations.

It should be noted that 4500-4000 years before the common ancestor of the Aryans in Anatolia agrees well with the time of the appearance of the Hittites in Asia Minor in the last quarter of the 3rd millennium BC, as there is evidence that the Hittites revolted against Narramsin (2236-2200 years before AD, that is, 4244-4208 years before our time).

Haplotypes of the genus R1a in the Arabian Peninsula (the countries of the Gulf of Oman - Qatar, United Arab Emirates). And more - in Crete. The names of these countries sound strange in relation to the genus R1a, but our ancestors, or the descendants of our ancestors, visited ancient times there, and the modern owners of R1a in those parts carry their Y-chromosomes.

The age of the common ancestor on the Arabian Peninsula, determined by the haplotypes - 4000 years. This date is in good agreement with 4000-4500 for years to a common ancestor in Armenia and Anatolia, if we take as a reasonable option the direction of the flow of Aryans from the Central Russian plain through the mountains of the Caucasus and further south to Arabia. In other words, the migration wave came from Europe, retained the time of a common ancestor in the Caucasus and in Asia Minor, and reached Arabia already in the span, shifting the time of a common ancestor by 400-500 years.

In principle, the haplotypes of the genus R1a could have been brought to Arabia by slaves brought to those lands four thousand years ago. But historians should already answer this question. In the light of the latest data on the R1a haplotypes among Arabs, this becomes extremely unlikely. The most famous and high-ranking clans have carriers R1a.

The literature has published a series of haplotypes from Crete. They were collected from the inhabitants of the Lasithi plateau, where according to legends their ancestors escaped during the eruption and explosion of the Santorini volcano 3600 years ago, and the rest of the haplotypes were collected in the adjacent territory of Heraklion Prefecture. The calculation of the lifetime of a common ancestor in Crete was carried out by us in several different ways, but the result is the same - 4400 years ago. Respectful 800 years before the explosion of the Santorini volcano. This value corresponds to the average European settlement times of the genus R1a.

The DNAs of our contemporaries show that the most ancient European roots of the Aryans, the genus R1a, the 10-9 prescription, are thousands of years old in the Balkans - in Serbia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Croatia, Macedonia. After 5000-6000 years, this genus will expand to the northeast, to the Eastern Carpathians, forming the pre-Slavic, Tripoli culture and initiating the great migration of peoples in the 4th-3rd millennia BC. At the same time, the genus R1a advanced both along the southern arc and 4300 years ago - according to the records in our DNA - appeared in Lebanon.

The direct descendants of those first settlers live in Lebanon and in our days. Among them, descendants of the Aryan family are Shiite Muslims from the south of Lebanon, Sunni Muslims from the north of the country and from the Bekaa Valley, Maronite Christians from the Lebanese north, Druze living in the Lebanese mountains.

As part of this resettlement, apparently caused by the development of agriculture and the transition to its extensive forms, as well as the development of the economy, the same genus R1a advanced westward, to the Atlantic and British Isles, and northward to Scandinavia. The same genus came to the near north and east - to the lands of modern Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, Russia, with a common common Slavic ancestor who lived 4800 years ago.

This same ancestor gave surviving offspring, now living throughout Europe, from Iceland to Greece and Cyprus, and spreading to the south of the Arabian Peninsula and the Gulf of Oman.

The descendants of the same ancestor, with the same haplotype in DNA, passed to the southern Urals, built there fortifications 4000-3800 years ago, one of them (opened at the end of 1980-s) became known as Arkaim, and under the name of the Aryans went to India , bringing there the 3500 years ago their Proto-Slavic haplotypes. In the same II millennium BC, a rather large group of the genus R1a, also calling itself Aryans, moved from Central Asia to Iran.

This is the only but significant link that allows you to call the whole genus R1a a genus of Aryans. It also leads to the identity of "Indo-Europeans", Aryans, Slavs and the genus R1a in the framework of DNA genealogy. She, this bundle, places the ancestral home of the “Indo-Europeans”, the Aryans, the ancient Slavs in the Balkans. The same bundle brings into correspondence the place of the Balkan European "ancestral homeland", the flow of Aryan-Pra-Slavs migration, the dynamic chain of archaeological cultures and the corresponding flow of Indo-European languages, and shows the place and time of appearance of the "Indo" particle.

Only the concept of “ancestral homeland” here is not a language ancestral homeland, but the supposed place of arrival of R1a carriers in Europe, and from there already spread across the continent. For R1a in a broader sense, this, of course, is not a “homeland”. In general, the search for "ancestral homeland" for migrations and languages ​​in their dynamics over many millennia and at distances of many thousands of kilometers is a hopeless and unpromising occupation, but for some reason incessant. Inertia?

True, many linguists define the "ancestral homeland" of the Indo-European language not as the birthplace of the language, but as its divergence into branches, and they are trying to figure out from which single archaeological culture it came.

This occupation is not less hopeless, since the discrepancy between Indo-European language, calling it Pro-Indo-European or Proto-Indo-European, occurred all the time during the very 20 thousands of years of the RHNUMXa haplogroup, and in fact much earlier, again in the dynamics of the language over the last 1 -60 thousand years, since the appearance of Caucasians. And not only discrepancy - divergence, but also merging-convergence, and many other seemingly disorderly language processes.

Finally, the same bundle described above, which makes it possible to call the entire genus R1a a genus of Aryans, convincingly shows that not Proto-Slavs spoke “Indo-Iranian” languages, but, on the contrary, the descendants of Proto-Slavs brought their Aryan languages ​​to India and Iran, and the times when these languages ​​appeared in India and Iran, established by linguists, are completely consistent with the time of arrival of descendants of the Slavs there - the time recorded as mutations in the DNA of our contemporaries of the genus R1a. This is about 3500 years ago, but these are the times when languages ​​appeared in India and Iran, the languages ​​themselves were formed much earlier, as described above.

Apparently, the divergence of the Aryan language into “Indo-Aryan”, “Iranian”, and the language of the Mitanni Aryans, “Middle Eastern”, occurred when the Aryans diverged in these directions from the Russian Plain, about 4500 years ago, in the middle of the 3rd millennium BC. But migration flows (or military expeditions) diverge rather quickly, and the language is a conservative matter, so the divergence of the languages ​​themselves can be dated about 4000 years ago.

By the time the Aryans moved to India and the Iranian plateau, about 3500 years ago, the languages ​​had already diverged enough to form the indicated branches of the Aryan language.
But how did the genus R1a get to the Balkans, and from where? With the "ancestral homeland of the Indo-Europeans", which turned out to be the Aryans, they are the same-Slavs, we figured out. And where is the "ancestral homeland" of "Proto-Indo-Europeans"? When and where did Nostratic languages ​​originate, if this is not the accepted name? What is the current picture of flows, migrations of “Proto-Indo-Europeans”, which led to the appearance of the Aryans, the Slavs on their historical homeland? About this a little later.

To be continued ...

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  1. Kostyar
    Kostyar 3 July 2016 07: 23
    +10
    I didn’t understand a damn thing, but cool, thanks !!!
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 3 July 2016 07: 53
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      Quote: Bone
      I didn’t understand a damn thing, but cool, thanks !!!

      interesting story, the Germans spiraled in the 20 century, the skulls measured what to record in the descendants of the Aryans, the Russians in the 21 century use DNA to register in the descendants of the Aryans.
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 3 July 2016 09: 20
        +19
        Quote: Semurg
        interesting story, the Germans spiraled in the 20 century, the skulls measured what to record in the descendants of the Aryans, the Russians in the 21 century use DNA to register in the descendants of the Aryans.

        Less to you for the analogy.

        Arias is quite a scientific term. And archeogenetics gives quite reliable results. (unlike skullmetry). It is especially valuable when the results of several disciplines confirm each other - like archeogenetics, archeology and linguistics. What, in fact, is the article written about.

        I am already silent that these results are not used to discriminate ...

        PS - by the way, judging by how you speak about the Russians, you are still not Russian? Nothing personal, it just became interesting. I will not think worse of you because you have something strange captured in the fifth paragraph. But I suspect that because of your fifth point, you think badly about Russians. Sometimes such a strange chauvinism still occurs ... Unfortunately.
      2. Awaz
        Awaz 3 July 2016 17: 13
        +10
        In general, the theme of the genus R1a was not invented by the Russians. If I am not mistaken, the Balts have settled all this with the British. They probably also wanted to cling to the Aryans, but examining all the peoples they could reach, it turned out that the Slavs are those very famous Aryans. And even the Germans who were looking for the Aryans in Tibet came to the conclusion that the source of the appearance of the Aryan race is the territory of present-day Russia and some nearby countries.
        In general, something like this. But belonging to the Aryans gives no priorities to anyone. All people have been mixed up for a long time and it doesn’t matter at all what kind of gender prevails there. Complex on this occasion only schizos and fanatics ..
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 4 July 2016 01: 19
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          Quote: AwaZ
          it seemed that the Slavs were the very famous Arias.

          Stupidity
          Quote: AwaZ
          And even the Germans, who were looking for Aryans in Tibet, came to the conclusion that the source of the Aryan race was the territory of present-day Russia and some neighboring countries.

          Where did the firewood come from? Link to the studio
          1. Awaz
            Awaz 4 July 2016 21: 48
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            I so, briefly read the fascist German investigations. Well, I went a little over that the Slavs - there are Aryans, but the fact that they are descendants of the Aryans that the Germans were looking for is, as I understand it, the Germans themselves understood.
            If you are interested, look for it yourself. I do not investigate and accumulate evidence. I read quite reasonable arguments and conclusions of German researchers.
            Speaking of Germans, if. I read somewhere that true Germans should look something like Ricco Gross. (Well, this is a well-known biathlete and last year he was a trainer for the Russian Federation. The Germans should be brunettes with a characteristic nose shape. By the way, it’s also read that real Georgians are red-haired guys with small eyes.
      3. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 3 July 2016 17: 33
        +3
        Quote: Semurg
        interesting story, the Germans spiraled in the 20 century, the skulls measured what to record in the descendants of the Aryans, the Russians in the 21 century use DNA to register in the descendants of the Aryans.

        What among Russian fascists to incriminate-work-is it better not to turn to themselves?
        1. Kaiten
          Kaiten 4 July 2016 18: 10
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          Quote: Skifotavr
          What among Russian fascists to incriminate-work-is it better not to turn to themselves?

          You're nice, man, read about the Palestinian Germans, the neo-Templars as they were called. And stop attributing to us other people's medals. Does the Christian cross in the center of the composition bother you? Have you seen many examples of the use of the cross in Judaism? I understand that you may not know something, but you can turn on logic.
          1. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 6 July 2016 22: 47
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            Quote: Kaiten

            You're nice, man, read about the Palestinian Germans, the neo-Templars as they were called. And stop attributing to us other people's medals. Does the Christian cross in the center of the composition bother you? Have you seen many examples of the use of the cross in Judaism? I understand that you may not know something, but you can turn on logic.

            And what did I attribute to you this? laughing I just showed the simultaneous presence of the beloved Masonic symbolism. And the cross, by the way, is there the Templars, but not Christian. Templars-massons-aluminates - one bush of a berry. Since you took it personally, it’s not accidental. But Judaism, hide behind. You still say that I'm anti-Semite once it showed. wink
        2. Awaz
          Awaz 4 July 2016 22: 09
          +3
          So what ? Here is the chevron of the Red Army ...
          1. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 6 July 2016 22: 38
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            Quote: AwaZ
            So what ? Here is the chevron of the Red Army ...

            In principle, the swastika was once generally a Slavic symbol. Even in Nazi Germany, it was taken from archaeological excavations of Slavs living in antiquity in Germany, whom Hitler scholars interpreted as Arians. And in the photograph I brought, it’s interesting that the swastika there is depicted on top of the star of David, and even with the eye in the middle. I know how much you love to expose fascism by the presence of a Kolovrat somewhere, even if it is thousands of years old, so I showed you an uncomfortable photo with a hint of where legs grow from fascism. smile
            1. Skifotavr
              Skifotavr 6 July 2016 22: 52
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              Well, and to clarify who were the Bolsheviks, I probably will not be out of respect for your increased Semitic vulnerability laughing
    2. Pavel1
      Pavel1 3 July 2016 10: 54
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      Klesov’s dna genealogy is still not quite a science, the calculation of the mutation rate and the construction of timelines on this basis are based on probabilistic assumptions and have not yet been calibrated, for example, that says Nosovsky G.V.

      https://yadi.sk/i/K1JP8-4tghSgC
      watch from 31 min
      1. Baikal
        Baikal 3 July 2016 23: 48
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        Yeah. Let us, alternative specialists, tell us about the astral laughing Read Nosovsky? They are with a dol ... storyteller Fomenko there probably drew a lot of interesting things in the tablets, right?))
        1. Alexey-74
          Alexey-74 4 July 2016 08: 56
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          Yes, I, too, somehow became interested in these guys .... but they understood on their own wave ....
      2. Rumata
        Rumata 4 July 2016 01: 22
        +1
        Quote: Paul1
        Nosovsky

        I would not be fond of Nosovschinoy and Fomenshchina. Read what the opponents of the New Chronology write and it will become clear to you how much this is nonsense.
        1. Igor V
          Igor V 4 July 2016 21: 40
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          Quote: Rumata
          Quote: Paul1
          Nosovsky

          I would not be fond of Nosovschinoy and Fomenshchina. Read what the opponents of the New Chronology write and it will become clear to you how much this is nonsense.

          I would like to read the opponents. But, studying the work of researchers NH for more than 15 years, not a single intelligible article of the opponents met. Just dousing. Yes, and how to argue with mathematicians, if they have everything on an accurate calculation. To argue only in errors, but opponents are just afraid of this, for example, the errors of radiocarbon dating. And the research methods developed by Fomenko are already successfully working in the special services. They are not afraid of opponents there. smile
    3. Fedor
      Fedor 3 July 2016 18: 47
      -1
      To understand more, I recommend the site of the author of this article, Doctor of Science, Professor A. Klyosov:

      http://pereformat.ru

      Read.
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    5. siberalt
      siberalt 3 July 2016 18: 51
      +1
      Historians will never answer that. Because they write the history of the state for their vassal, and the subsequent rewrite.
      I am impressed by the position of the author. But we need to start with the last ice age (about 10-12 thousand years ago). If the group of the genus R1a, and, accordingly, (native speakers - people) was before, then it is easy to assume that he left the frost to the south. As the glacier warmed and melted, they began to move to their native places. How far was the glacier? In the south of the Altai Territory, there are ribbon pine forests growing on the sands with many lakes along their length. There is no such thing anywhere in the world. It is believed that they then appeared on the border of a frozen glacier. Therefore, the author is right that the Indo-European language denotes the dispersal paths of the people who originally came from the north. It is possible that from this came the name of the people - scattered, or "Pelazgi", in Greek - the ancient people (storks) inhabiting Greece before the emergence of the Mycenaean civilization. The article is interesting. We look forward to continuing.
    6. Rumata
      Rumata 4 July 2016 01: 14
      +1
      Nothing lost, far-fetched. And here the Slavs, who appeared a few thousand years after the Indo-Iranians. In what literature did the author find about the 9000 years and the Balkans? The largest study of the halogen group R1a, which I met, with a high degree of certainty indicates the territory of present-day Iran as the place of its appearance, 5800 years ago (no way 9-000)
      The division between Europeans (Z282) and Asians (Z93) occurred even later. Plus, the author interferes with a bunch of common ancestors and dating mutations.
      Maybe I misunderstood the chaotic style of the author, but it would not hurt to indicate the sources.
      Z.Y
      I looked at the name of the author and everything became clear. This is a famous quack. Who cares more or less in detail here - http://haplogroup.narod.ru/no-klyos.html
    7. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 4 July 2016 08: 53
      0
      Similarly !!!!! laughing
  2. V.ic
    V.ic 3 July 2016 07: 31
    +4
    Zamanukha ... About Arkaim, in addition to the title, it is mentioned once in the text and in the caption under the photo. Wait, sir.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 3 July 2016 18: 55
      +2
      The topic is very sensitive for the Jews, who consider themselves the beginning of human civilization. And they are everywhere. Both in Russian and in Russian history. laughing Also, the stumbling block is the study of the emergence of races and nationalities at the junctions of their habitats, such as Arabs and Jews. But this is a taboo, because it is better not to wake up racism and Nazi ideology. Rather, this is correct. The level of current civilizations has not yet fully matured.
      1. Baikal
        Baikal 3 July 2016 23: 53
        +4
        Shhh !!!! And now, God's chosen ones will tell you how to love Merkava laughing
      2. Rumata
        Rumata 4 July 2016 01: 26
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        Quote: siberalt
        The topic is very sensitive for the Jews, who consider themselves the beginning of human civilization

        Oh how. You can safely call anyone who claims to be obscurantist, since well, sooo far from the truth, as, in general, the Slavs-Aryans ...
        1. Mikhail Matyugin
          Mikhail Matyugin 4 July 2016 12: 09
          +1
          Quote: Rumata
          You can safely call anyone who claims to be obscurantist, since well, sooo far from the truth, as, in general, the Slavs-Aryans ...

          Oops, aren't the Slavs Indo-Europeans?
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 4 July 2016 14: 19
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            Do not confuse different concepts. Slavs are Indo-Europeans. But the hypothetical ancient arias are not Slavs. And then we here will agree together to the Slavic dinosaurs and their differences from the Negroid dinosaurs and the Mongoloid dinosaurs. And there, and before the racial differences of the early Precambrian sponges are not far. Or in general - stromatolites of the Archean era.
      3. Kaiten
        Kaiten 4 July 2016 18: 04
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        Quote: siberalt
        The topic is very sensitive for the Jews, who consider themselves the beginning of human civilization.

        You obviously confuse the Jews with other, younger ethnic groups that built the pyramids and dug up the Black Sea. Unlike other nations, the history of the Jews is detailed in the Old Testament. And if you read this book at your leisure, you will see that the Jews arose at a time when other peoples in Mesopotamia already had a developed civilization. Abraham came out of Ur of the Chaldeans.

        Quote: siberalt
        Also, the stumbling block is the study of the emergence of races and nationalities at the junctions of their habitats, such as Arabs and Jews. But this is a taboo, because it is better not to wake up racism and Nazi ideology

        And what is taboo in the emergence of Jews and Arabs? The information in the Internet is full. The appearance of these two Nrodes is no different from the others.
      4. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 July 2016 22: 19
        +1
        "The topic is very delicate for Jews who consider themselves the beginning of human civilization" ////

        Nothing like this. Jews are far from the most ancient people. Compared to Egyptian, Sumerian,
        In Indian civilizations, Jews are small children. Ancestors of Jews - "the line of Abraham" left the area
        modern Iraq (city of Ur) Sumerian civilization.
        In the area of ​​modern Israel, people settled and created fortified cities with walls
        (like Jericho) for 6 thousand years before the arrival of Jews. From the early Bronze Age.
  3. Bosk
    Bosk 3 July 2016 07: 46
    +1
    The article is definitely a plus, but here ... it would be desirable to lay out all this as they say "tighter and simpler") and so PLUS winked
  4. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 3 July 2016 07: 54
    +10
    Arkaim is interesting from the point of view of archeology, but as always, we would have a hook and a bait. Cunning Moscow guys created on its basis an entire industry. I don’t have anything against civilized tourism to such places, but when miraculous properties, the ability to heal almost all diseases, and a bottle of water from the spring are sold for 1000rub, they are attributed, forgive me - this is a quackery named after Alan Chumak. Business and nothing personal ...

    From the booklet of the Arkaim tour complex:

    According to the esotericists, Arkaim is a place of power, the cradle of human civilization, the ancestral home of the Slavs and Aryans. The name of this city is usually associated with the name of Yima. As a result, the complex under consideration is known as the birthplace of Zarathustra. Arkaim (on the map it can be seen on the territory of the southern Urals steppe), as expected, is older than the Egyptian pyramids. The spiritual power of this place has not completely disappeared. That is why the ancient settlement attracts many tourists as if with a magnet. People intuitively strive to touch a special form of subtle energy in order to feel the power of ancient knowledge and the capabilities of our distant ancestors. If you constantly contact this system, you can learn to attract positive events, change your fate for the better, achieve spiritual balance and improve your health.
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 3 July 2016 18: 47
      +2
      avg-mgn "I have nothing against civilized tourism to such places, but when miraculous properties are attributed to them, the ability to cure almost all diseases, and a bottle of water from a spring is sold for 1000 rubles, forgive me - this is quackery named after Alan Chumak. Business and nothing personal ... "
      All right, I was there.))) So it is. Monument to archeology and nothing more.
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 4 July 2016 22: 10
        0
        Well earn- and garbage. There are suckers, let them pay.
    2. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 4 July 2016 12: 16
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      Quote: avg-mgn
      Cunning Moscow guys created on its basis an entire industry.

      It's good that at least "industry", but in the late 1980s they generally wanted to flood this territory.
  5. Alisher
    Alisher 3 July 2016 07: 56
    +11
    Doesn’t it bother anyone that an article about serious, scientific things is written so lightly and confused? That the author mentions only R1a, and not its specific variants, because mutations occur on average once every 500 years, and it is divided into dozens of branches?
    And the title of the article does not correspond to the article, you expect to read that in Arkaim they found new biological samples, did their DNA analysis, and new data .... but there is no new data.
    An article published in the newspaper Troitsky Variant-Science, No. 1 (170), January 13, 2015.
    Caution: Pseudoscience / DNA - the demagogy of Anatoly Klesov
    http://trv-science.ru/2015/01/13/dnk-demagogiya-kljosova/
    Gene pool.rf /? Page_id = 520
    "In this entertaining" history "the method of substitution of terms is used several times. At first, the term" Slavs ", which has quite definite linguistic and ethnological meanings, is arbitrarily interpreted as" ancient carriers of the haplogroup R1a1 " Then, when the settlement of the "genus R1a1" is brought to India, the name of the language group "Aryans" is transferred to the biological carriers of the haplogroup R1a1 ... Now it remains to equate the end of a long migration with its beginning - and the Eastern Slavs will become Aryans (and the Arabs - the descendants of the Slavs) . "
    "A tough biological context is imposed on languages: if two peoples have the same haplogroup, then their languages ​​must be related:" According to the DNA genealogy of the Aryans and the Slavs (in any case, from half to three quarters of the Slavs) this is the same genus, which had a common ancestor, and their languages ​​must diverge from one common root. "So why now linguistics? I tested several people in a commercial company - and right away" you can classify languages ​​differently. "
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 4 July 2016 14: 26
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      Duc, all of the above is on the surface. The verdict is a more pseudoscientific mimicry of pseudoscience under serious discipline. All the better, it litter the head of people and find new adherents.
  6. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 3 July 2016 13: 53
    +1
    The most common among the peoples are Altaians, Belarusians, Balochis, North Indians, Kashubians, Kyrgyz, Latvians, Ashkenazi Levites, Lithuanians, Luzhans, East Germans, Karachais, Balkars, Kuban Nogais, Pamiris, Punjabis, Poles, Pashtuns, Russian, Slovaks Ukrainians, Slovenes, Faroese, Khotons, Czechs Moravian, Shors, Erzya. If you believe our beloved Vika)) but you can believe Natasha and Tanya, it already tastes good)) Sex of the world Aryans))) R1a in which peoples of the current does not occur in all Asians, Eastern, Caucasian, Persians. In short Salaam brothers Aryans)) ) Wo, the ancestor got it))) But seriously, the article is not about anything, P1A itself doesn’t seem to have any mutations. Does anyone actually conduct a genetic test? For example, I really want to know the approximate ancestor in a serious office. Unsubscribe
    1. Atigay
      Atigay 3 July 2016 20: 23
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      Albanian genus in Kazakhs R1a1
  7. ver_
    ver_ 3 July 2016 15: 39
    +1
    [quote = Pavel1] Klesov’s dna genealogy is still not quite a science, the calculation of the speed of mutations and the construction of timelines on this basis is based on probabilistic assumptions and has not yet been calibrated, for example, that says Nosovsky G.V.

    ... I don’t enter at all: the Slavs and the Pre-Slavs - what is the difference ..?
    1. Pavel1
      Pavel1 3 July 2016 17: 45
      +1
      [quote = ver _] [quote = Pavel1] Klesov’s dna genealogy is still not quite a science, the calculation of the mutation rate and the construction of time scales on this basis are based on probabilistic assumptions and have not yet been calibrated, for example, that says Nosovsky G about DNA genealogy .AT.

      ... I don’t enter at all: Slavs and Pre-Slavs - what is the difference ..? [/ quote]

      what's the difference?
  8. ML-334
    ML-334 3 July 2016 17: 38
    +1
    A rational man is connected with the pyramids, I can’t understand one thing - the Creator moved from another world, or created through the pyramid, or everyone who drove through the pyramid through the pyramid, endowed with reason. I am more inclined to the latter, because as we see, not everyone passed through the pyramid, not everyone is rational.
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  10. Koshak
    Koshak 3 July 2016 18: 48
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    Everything is correct, except for one: everything came from the ancient Ufa residents! And not from ancient ukrov! wassat
    PS during the week the weather changed abruptly two times - here you’ll not think of such a thing. what All health and peace of mind! drinks
  11. xtur
    xtur 4 July 2016 07: 29
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    The dating of the cave paintings of Armenia, made according to their plots, allows us to say that they were made from about 18 years BC - 000 years BC For example, in the drawings there are elephants, rhinos, hippos, which could only be until the last glaciation, whose age is known.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 4 July 2016 07: 37
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      Quote: xtur
      The dating of the cave paintings of Armenia, made according to their plots, allows us to say that they were made from about 18 years BC - 000 years BC For example there are elephants in the drawings, rhinos, hippos

      Is Armenia the birthplace of elephants? good

      And they said that Russia ... sad

      About how laughing
      1. xtur
        xtur 4 July 2016 18: 16
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        > Is Armenia the birthplace of elephants? good

        actually, rather, the birthplace of goats :-)

        some of their species were tamed in Armenia, and in the Armenian language there are more different names for goats than you can swear in Russian - 32 names wink

        And elephants, as far as one can judge, lived almost everywhere everywhere before this ice age, they simply did not survive this period
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 4 July 2016 22: 27
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      It's true. There was a certain oasis in the middle of the glacier, where she managed to survive
      and a certain group of primitive people developed. It is not clear where they went afterwards.
      Peoples, tribes constantly drifted in the postglacial period.
      But large civilizations appeared only in the floodplains of the great rivers where
      developed agriculture with irrigation: Indus, Nile, Euphrates.
  12. Riv
    Riv 4 July 2016 07: 41
    -2
    Heresy some kind of author wrote. The truth was told by people: genetics is a corrupt girl of imperialism. And there is.
  13. oxymoron
    oxymoron 4 July 2016 14: 15
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    In Belarus, American funds directly finance the organization of neopagans

    On June 25, on the river Mukhavets near the Brest Fortress, a ship was launched, built in imitation of the Vikings' ships - the sleipnir dragcar. The organizers of this event were VIR clubs “Iron Acorn” and “Perunovo Kolo” (“Perunov Krug”). The US Department of State International Development Agency funded the construction of Sleipnir.

    The name and surroundings of these "reconstruction" associations clearly indicate their commitment to pagan cults. The question is different: why is it that the American State Department finances neopagans in Belarus?

    cont.ws
  14. Jääkorppi
    Jääkorppi 6 July 2016 13: 52
    -1
    Eastern Slavs is a myth that was invented in order to justify the expansion of the Russian Empire in the Balkans and the annexation of the former principalities of Ancient Rus to the Moscow kingdom! One must be very careful when using terms. Genetically and ethnographically, the Russians until the 18th century were Mordovians mixed with Slavic genes in the eastern (Novgorod, Pskov) regions. Even borsch and buckwheat porridge entered the Russian cuisine only from the middle of the 17th century. From the middle of the 17th century (Slobozhanshchina), waves of resettlement of residents of Ukraine to Great Russia began, which became especially widespread after the creation of the Soviet state. By 1921, in Petrograd, they became the first most numerous immigrants. Now there is a massive relocation to Moscow and St. Petersburg of Tajiks and Uzbeks. So by 2050 we will consider the Russians northern Uzbeks. The history of countries and peoples is a complex thing, with a huge touch of ideology. The R1A1 gene is found not only among the Slavs. And there is nothing to breed Great Ukrainian delusional Bandera theories. We are Russians! Russia is its own civilization and there is no need to look for roots among gypsies - Indians!