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NASA is testing the power plant for flights to Mars

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The American Aerospace Agency (NASA) spreads a message about the testing of a solid-fuel accelerator, which, reportedly, will soon be able to ensure the operation of the "Martian" program. The agency’s press office said the QM-2 experimental facility was tested at a special site in the state of Utah.

NASA is testing the power plant for flights to Mars


If you believe the message that the installation thrust is approximately 75% of the level required for the spacecraft to enter near-earth space.

After the tests, the engineers began to analyze the data obtained from the 530 measuring elements and sensors located on the power plant of the future rocket. One of the most important parameters - resistance to sudden temperature changes. Thus, during the test, the temperature of combustion of the fuel inside the unit reached values ​​of almost 3,3 thousand degrees Celsius. For comparison, it is approximately 120 degrees Celsius below the melting point of ultra-high-melting tungsten.



The conditions of the “cold run” were also worked out - at a fuel temperature of about 4,4 degrees Celsius.

NASA representatives do not disclose the technical details of the test powerplant, which is planned to be used to provide flights to Mars.

Accelerator will be used for extra heavy media Space launch systemwhich should be involved in the Orion program.

An unmanned launch of this NASA spacecraft to Mars has been mapped to 2018 for the year.
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http://www.nasa.gov/
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  1. igorka357
    igorka357 29 June 2016 16: 11
    +4
    They’re just dropping into orbit on ours, and then they already swung to Mars on their own .. well, well ..))!
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 29 June 2016 16: 14
      +12
      NASA is testing the power plant for flights to Mars

      Has Hollywood already prepared the pavilion for shooting?
      1. Infinity
        Infinity 29 June 2016 16: 17
        +12
        They relied too much on the super-expensive Space Shuttles, the euphoria of reusability passed quickly, and after the program was closed, they were waiting for the creation of new spaceships.

        In general, Americans are practical, you can not say. They sign contracts with us for cheap engines and cheap cargo delivery to the ISS. If there are no analogues - do it yourself. The saved money is allowed on new rovers.
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 29 June 2016 16: 22
          +4
          NASA is testing the power plant for flights to Mars
          I was thinking of new equipment for filming the Martian epic itself. Well, the scenery there and all thatbully
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        2. hirurg
          hirurg 29 June 2016 16: 52
          +2
          Very practical. Before the ISS, orbits on Russian engines are cheap. And on Mars, we do, experience, generally create a type of activity.
          Conclusion: On Mars-EXPENSIVE. Give me the money!
          HOW they all shine through! It seems that they hid their heads, and ..op - on top, like a float ...
          1. Maksus
            Maksus 29 June 2016 17: 16
            +26
            I remember in my childhood in the magazine "Young Technician" I read that a manned flight to Mars will take place in 2014. "Ehhh, how long," I thought then. And he waited. I was waiting for this stupid 2014, although I already understood that nothing would happen. And at 14m, instead of an international Martian flight, I saw only Maidan horses. It's a shame. However, I'm still waiting, good luck to everyone who still wants to go to Space!
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 29 June 2016 18: 01
              +5
              However, I still wait, good luck to everyone who still wants to go into space!


              Dear Maksus! For your sake, generally and personally, Leonov sold his principles to a seeker. For the sake of HOPE and DREAMS of all mankind. Cinema reinforced this hope and dream with films. But is it worth the deception of a dream? The start to Mars, which is one hundred times more complicated than the start to the Moon, from that a possible scenario of a flight to Mars was planned from the lunar base. Like the assembly and equipment of the ship. Was anything done for this if the Americans got there so easily and wonderfully?

              My dream could have been much more ambitious, unfortunately, as was the understanding of the obvious. After the launch of Orion, the last smoldering hope for the "great Yankees" faded. The boy tried to shout for the wolves. Because of this, a dream that gives birth to hope is wonderful, but without will and work, these are empty sounds. Space is a very alien and incomprehensible environment and its exploration is incomparable with the funny pictures of Hollywood.
              1. Maksus
                Maksus 29 June 2016 18: 19
                +8
                And what, stop flying there and explore it? Manned space is a hope for the whole planet, the only thing that can unite people. I want to believe that the colonization of space will help to cope with the threat of total armageddon on our small planet, I like it, I haven’t been to many places yet. Therefore, I do not want bearded barmalei to burn half the planets, and the Chinese take the second.
                1. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 29 June 2016 19: 01
                  0
                  And what, stop flying there and explore it? Manned space is a hope for the whole planet, the only thing that can unite people. I want to believe that the colonization of space will help to cope with the threat of total armageddon on our small planet, I like it, I haven’t been to many places yet. Therefore, I do not want bearded barmalei to burn half the planets, and the Chinese take the second.


                  smile Of course not. Nobody calls for chopping off his hands, sharpened to understand the pockets of citizens. Understanding the challenge, and protecting this understanding from lies, for the sake of geopolitics or the current moment. Every year brings us a bit of knowledge about space. Unfortunately, each of this fraction moves away from manned flights to other planets. That is, we will learn something that the level of modern knowledge does not allow to cope with. Do I have to give up in this case? For the dreamer, the seeker, this is just a challenge that he must overcome. What attracts, top.

                  And the troubles you mentioned are inherent in the character of a person. They come from it. Man must change. Will his cosmos change? He seems to be changing, but only those who are ready for this.
        3. Mestny
          Mestny 29 June 2016 17: 09
          +1
          Is it possible that theirs are not raging on the Internet about cheap contracts with Russia in the sense of "We are a great country, we must do everything ourselves, Obama go away"?
        4. Asadullah
          Asadullah 29 June 2016 17: 40
          +1
          The saved money is allowed on new rovers.


          Sorry, what are those preserved?
        5. Igor V
          Igor V 29 June 2016 23: 13
          0
          Very practical: 2 billion for the development of a space toilet bowl - "ay, it didn't work out", 5 billion for the creation of a living compartment for the American part of the ISS - "ay, it didn't work out."
      2. Teberii
        Teberii 29 June 2016 16: 20
        +1
        The moon does not give rest. Itching throughout the body.
      3. Asadullah
        Asadullah 29 June 2016 17: 39
        +1
        Has Hollywood already prepared the pavilion for shooting?


        laughing Now everything is simpler, Hollywood will not strain. Any student in the corresponding program will draw what you want.
      4. Pitot
        Pitot 30 June 2016 01: 22
        0
        Yes, they still have the old lunar preserved. There only change the backlight from gray to red ...
    2. Coconut Tima
      Coconut Tima 29 June 2016 16: 28
      +14
      America is preparing a flight to Mars
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 29 June 2016 16: 39
      +6
      This is generally a commercial enterprise of Mask - and he does everything he owns, there are no Russian engines there. There, the Falcon rocket (the one that is carrying hamburgers to the ISS) - only Heavy, with additional accelerators - and the Dragon module, like those Hamburgers carrying to the ISS, only with equipment for landing on Mars and other file processing.

      However, in SLS too. And it will be the largest and most lifting rocket ever created. Accelerators and main engines have already worked out. Now they are assembling SLS - the first launch is 18 year too.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 29 June 2016 18: 12
        0
        This is generally a commercial enterprise Mask


        What are you speaking about? Is it that Musk is developing a Martian program ?! laughing
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 29 June 2016 18: 20
          +2
          The one about which the article is yes. SpaceX - Mask heavy Falcon + Red Dragon.

          The one about which Obama is NASA is SLS + Orion.
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 29 June 2016 19: 12
            -5
            The one about which the article is yes. SpaceX - Mask heavy Falcon + Red Dragon.

            The one about which Obama is NASA is SLS + Orion.


            You plunge me into even greater bewilderment. There is a SLS Orion, flying in test mode five thousand up with a mannequin. By the way, the flight showed that Nichrome Americans do not know what is there. Apparently rising like a phoenix by 380 thousand, we missed such a little and decided to make up for the flaw ... and there are commercial launches of the Mask. With all due respect to the latter, where is the connection?
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 June 2016 21: 34
        0
        The thrust of these solid fuel boosters was 1500 tons, and the material of the chamber is most likely Tantalum carbide - the melting point is 3880 degrees.
    4. fox21h
      fox21h 29 June 2016 17: 38
      -2
      Quote: igorka357
      They’re just dropping into orbit on ours, and then they already swung to Mars on their own .. well, well ..))!

      And, why not, the next movie will be removed, as these heroes conquered Mars)))
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 June 2016 21: 37
        +1
        No filming, everything will be real and flights to the moon were a reality - this is no longer conclusively proven.
    5. joopel
      joopel 29 June 2016 19: 39
      -3
      I liked the phrase, if you believe the message. What, someone else believes the pin.do.stansky messages and statements? Is there more naive? Funding for begging. Loot is necessary, I want to eat.
  2. Nix1986
    Nix1986 29 June 2016 16: 11
    +10
    I have no doubt in anything, neither in the unmanned mission, nor in the expedition with the landing, only the dates are embarrassing, 2018 is close, and there was still no horse lying around. Most likely the deadlines are shifted.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 29 June 2016 16: 21
      +6
      American robots still ride on Mars.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 29 June 2016 17: 31
        +14
        The 13th year, by the way, went like NASA's Opportunity
        there he plows, drives, takes pictures around, takes "selfies", picks at the ground.
        And it was originally designed for only 3 MONTHS of work!
        this, by the way, is about the "unreliability" of electronics. wink
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 29 June 2016 18: 07
          +5
          this, by the way, is about the "unreliability" of electronics.


          Where are the pictures? Registered as expected, one junk sent. Moreover, automatic mailing. You know how, Caesar’s wife is beyond suspicion, but I’m not married to her .....
        2. figwam
          figwam 30 June 2016 17: 01
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The 13th year, by the way, went like NASA's Opportunity
          there he plows, drives, takes pictures around, takes "selfies", picks at the ground.
          And it was originally designed for only 3 MONTHS of work!
          this, by the way, is about the "unreliability" of electronics. wink

          What are you laughing at? All these shootings are made in Canada, on the largest uninhabited island of Devon, and all the patients again believed in Pindo miracle.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 30 June 2016 20: 01
            0
            That's just our telemetry and communication system can not be fooled, and the surface on Mars is completely different
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      3. Penzyac
        Penzyac 29 June 2016 19: 03
        +2
        Quote: Igor39
        American robots still ride on Mars.

        Soviet robots also rode along the moon and sat on Venus ...
        Robots are not human, it’s easier with them.
    2. figwam
      figwam 29 June 2016 16: 29
      +7
      Quote: Nix1986
      I have no doubt in anything, neither in the unmanned mission, nor in the expedition with the landing, only the dates are embarrassing, 2018 is close, and there was still no horse lying around. Most likely the deadlines are shifted.

      They also took and flew to the Moon the first time, and only then forgot how to do it.
      1. Temples
        Temples 29 June 2016 16: 34
        +5
        If you take into account that half a century has passed since those "flights", now hundreds of expeditions will go to Mars.

        To the moon with a condachka without any stupid tests (let the Russians rub off), they were soaked and flew !!!
        There was no time to carry out tests! Time was not right, and who dared to doubt American technology ???

        I think at least one dispatch per week will be!
        Not less!!!

        As they say - rocket caravans!
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 29 June 2016 18: 18
        +2
        Quote: figvam
        They also took and flew to the Moon the first time, and only then forgot how to do it.


        By the way, Roscosmos and NASA signed an agreement to develop and create a near-moon inhabited module.
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 29 June 2016 19: 09
          0
          Quote: Lelek
          Quote: figvam
          They also took and flew to the Moon the first time, and only then forgot how to do it.


          By the way, Roscosmos and NASA signed an agreement to develop and create a near-moon inhabited module.

          As usual, basically, ours will be done, but what about paying for it with freshly printed evergreen? ... How about the ISS? ...
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 June 2016 21: 41
        +1
        They stopped flying because it was too expensive a pleasure, especially since then there was a serious "relay race" - who will be the first of the USSR or the USA.
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 29 June 2016 16: 32
      0
      Mask Red Dragon program.

      In September 2016 (soon) there will be a final date. That is, if they don’t transfer in September, then in fact 90% will be launched in the window of 2018, and there another question will already fly or not.

      They kind of already prototyped the landing module (and the role it will have to bring scientific equipment and not crash on the surface), the rocket is the weakest point there, because the SLS is not of high readiness, and they will use their Falcon Heavy, it will be at the beginning of next year only the first test will go.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 29 June 2016 18: 15
        0
        Mask Red Dragon program


        Once again I apologize, but where does the Martian program ?? And to her Falcon Heavy?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 June 2016 21: 45
          +1
          Musk in 2018 will send the Dragon on an automatic mission to Mars, on a Falcon Heavy rocket, and in one will work out the landing of a manned ship to the surface and take off from it.
        2. Gray brother
          Gray brother 30 June 2016 00: 55
          0
          Quote: Asadullah
          Once again I apologize, but where does the Martian program ?? And to her Falcon Heavy?

          Sectarians Mask no difference. Patamushta, and that’s all.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 30 June 2016 01: 42
            +1
            Mask will succeed, he is a man of action, unlike everyone else, he is already showing the real technical results of his activities.
    4. Penzyac
      Penzyac 29 June 2016 18: 58
      -4
      Quote: Nix1986
      I have no doubt in anything, neither in the unmanned mission, nor in the expedition with the landing, only the dates are embarrassing, 2018 is close, and there was still no horse lying around. Most likely the deadlines are shifted.

      Yeah, as with the F-35 and the cost is also at times the same, if of course honestly, without "Hollywood" ...
      Still, capitalism is nothing more important than profit for corporations.
  3. Infinity
    Infinity 29 June 2016 16: 11
    +5
    Good luck to them! But I still think that space should be explored together. No country will be able to carry out large-scale projects for the colonization of celestial bodies, the budget will not stand. Too expensive and complicated.

    The project of a joint near-moon station, which is being developed with partners on the ISS (and the ISS itself) is a good example of cooperation.
    1. figwam
      figwam 29 June 2016 16: 25
      +4
      Quote: Infinity
      Good luck to them! But I also think that cosmos should be explored together. Too expensive and complicated.

      Why is it expensive and complicated? Soon, a box with Martian soil will be stolen and lost, due to inattention to flash drives with terabytes of a video about Mars, another video will be recorded, the technology for producing the best engines will be lost, and some talented director will leave the United States forever.
  4. viktor.
    viktor. 29 June 2016 16: 12
    +3
    are you going to dump? belay
  5. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 29 June 2016 16: 13
    +1
    Impressive. We’ll see how things go on, for now there’s zero information.
  6. izya top
    izya top 29 June 2016 16: 14
    +6
    tailwind - fly with the whole continent yes
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 29 June 2016 19: 13
      +1
      Quote: iza top
      tailwind - fly with the whole continent yes

      Yellowstone to help them ...
  7. Karasik
    Karasik 29 June 2016 16: 15
    +3
    If this development is in the interests of science - it is commendable. Ah, when the Homo Sapiens will change their minds, and instead of killing their own kind, they will begin space exploration! But knowing that in this case we are dealing with Homo Anglo-Saxiens, it is naive to believe that they are going to master Mars exclusively for peaceful purposes and with concern for humanity!
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 29 June 2016 19: 27
      -1
      Quote: Karasik
      If this development is in the interests of science - it is commendable. Ah, when the Homo Sapiens will change their minds, and instead of killing their own kind, they will begin space exploration! But knowing that in this case we are dealing with Homo Anglo-Saxiens, it is naive to believe that they are going to master Mars exclusively for peaceful purposes and with concern for humanity!

      Compare: the Chinese were the first who invented gunpowder and made colorful fireworks out of it, and the Western Europeans first thought of how to use gunpowder to kill people and animals; the Americans were the first to make the atomic bomb and immediately test it on living people, and the Russians (Soviet) were the first to make the nuclear power station and the civilian nuclear icebreaker ...
      Why do they (of the West) always have the very first thing to do is kill weapons? ...
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 29 June 2016 20: 05
        +1
        Quote: PENZYAC
        Compare: Chinese first invented gunpowder

        Here’s the trick, the Han people living in the Chin state have nothing to do with the Chinese - the inventors of gunpowder - even have a territorial one.
  8. prior
    prior 29 June 2016 16: 17
    +3
    And how much smoke! Obviously, under Euro 5 it will not work.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 29 June 2016 19: 32
      0
      Quote: prior
      And how much smoke! Obviously, under Euro 5 it will not work.

      The gunpowder in these solid-fuel engines is shitty - either damp, or even smoky, probably the technology is also "forgotten" ...
  9. Engineer
    Engineer 29 June 2016 16: 18
    +5
    With a quiet glanders, the Yankees are sawing a Martian rocket. And with us, something completely stalled for superheavy. Yes, what can I say if we stopped for a flight to the moon on a three-start pattern! Sadly that's all. I hope the Samara people will be able to defend and embody Soyuz-5 in metal, and on its basis it is already superheavy.
    1. mark1
      mark1 29 June 2016 16: 54
      +5
      Quote: Engineer
      And with us, something completely stalled for superheavy.

      And this is because our cosmic leadership (well, if only cosmic) has neither the desire nor the will to strive for something new. in what they gave. After all, "everything is fine" we are leading in the field of space transportation thanks to our grandfathers, and then you look, retire in a quiet, well-fed old age, hang noodles for our grandchildren "how our ships roamed the vast theater."
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  10. Nix1986
    Nix1986 29 June 2016 16: 18
    +2
    In general, the whole topic with space is very sad. If you ask a person in the early 70s "do you believe that a person will land on Mars in 50 years?" then they would look like an idiot, of course they believed. However, this is not the case. Space, like healthcare, fundamental and quantum physics should be outside the state. So that the interests of all mankind do not depend on any momentary situation and someone's personal interests.
    1. DMoroz
      DMoroz 29 June 2016 16: 41
      +2
      I do not agree with the second part of the comment. Fundamental science, space, as well as defense, is the concern of the state. The transfer of such industries to private hands will entail the usual cutting of money for commercial purposes, and with an uncontrolled expenditure of funds (in the interests of all mankind) it is possible to acquire state-of-the-art technologies by companies (states) and turn them into advanced weapons
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 29 June 2016 16: 44
        +3
        You don’t understand, it’s not just about some OJSC or ZAO or any other form of private property, it’s about some kind of supranational fund, where there is a board of trustees, investors, etc. and all know-how is in the public domain.
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 29 June 2016 19: 58
          +1
          Quote: Nix1986
          You don’t understand, it’s not just about some OJSC or ZAO or any other form of private property, it’s about some kind of supranational fund, where there is a board of trustees, investors, etc. and all know-how is in the public domain.

          Investors and open access do not combine something (from personal observations) ...
          This is some kind of Manilovism.
          Without state coercion, private traders will try to turn everything into a commercial secret so that nobody (except themselves, loved ones) gets anything for free - it's just business ...
          About the possibility of a really effective supranational one at the present time, too, it is vanishingly hard to believe. Look at the EU: everyone wants to command and determine the rules of the game, and share the "common" loot, especially the Anglo-Saxons, and there are still plenty of freeloaders, like Poles, Balts and other young Europeans, but with not measured ambition and plus such bureaucracy in the EU such that it will ruin any sane thought and, at best, turn it into your personal income ...
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 29 June 2016 19: 37
      0
      Quote: Nix1986
      In general, the whole topic with space is very sad. If you ask a person in the early 70s "do you believe that a person will land on Mars in 50 years?" then they would look like an idiot, of course they believed. However, this is not the case. Space, like healthcare, fundamental and quantum physics should be outside the state. So that the interests of all mankind do not depend on any momentary situation and someone's personal interests.

      How is it outside the state? Look at the USA - the state provides only budgetary funds, and everything else outside the state is private ...
      What well?...
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 29 June 2016 19: 55
        +1
        You didn’t understand anything, in the space sphere such a project is a stretch of the ISS. In science, in general, the collaboration of the Andrei Collider. The point is that such areas as space, fundamental and quantum physics, biotechnology are super expensive (they can be pulled by a very small list of rich states) and they do not give quick returns (it’s hard to find a private investor), but they give all that life what you used to see around. That is why supra-state funds, which can consolidate large resources from states and private investors, will be free from any sanctions, crises in any particular country, etc. should be engaged in such areas. and the performance of such funds should be open.
  11. Baloo
    Baloo 29 June 2016 16: 20
    +3
    Pere Mars let finally fly to the moon laughing
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 29 June 2016 20: 00
      0
      Quote: Balu
      Pere Mars let finally fly to the moon laughing

      And so that there is no claim to evidence.
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 June 2016 16: 22
    +7
    The upgraded solid-propellant booster, the first stage element, is not an engine for a flight to Mars. This is an element of the super-heavy carrier under development, which will have to lift "pieces" of the future Martian spacecraft. To assemble them "at the Lagrange point", or somewhere else, it will be decided later. It should be remembered that an accelerator of this type blew up the Shuttle - Challenger at the start. Hundreds of tons of high-calorie "gunpowder", laid in a special way, and should burn evenly, and without detonation ...
    1. grandson of the hero
      grandson of the hero 29 June 2016 17: 20
      +2
      Oh, it’s not so simple there. And 75-90 percent of the readiness of the power plant, this is not even half of the readiness of the mission. I don’t want to downplay their successes in space technology. On the contrary.
      Let's take a look. You can learn a lot, and we will do it.
      A great deal would be decided by an international space corporation. But this is not for now, not for politicians of the present. But, believe, she will come ... (c).
  13. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 29 June 2016 16: 28
    -2
    But where is the engine for flying to Mars? Where are the photos or drawings of at least the coscos on which they fly? Ttu with a degree of readiness of 75 percent, and all ???
  14. Krabik
    Krabik 29 June 2016 16: 31
    +2
    Quote: Nix1986
    I have no doubt in anything.


    NASA has been throwing drones to Mars 2 times in 15 years, so how do you get skepticism for 18 years?
  15. tiredwithall
    tiredwithall 29 June 2016 17: 04
    +1
    "An unmanned launch to Mars of this spacecraft NASA is scheduled for 2018."

    Uh, when will they build a rocket that will take them all to ebnm even to Mars even to the Sun.
  16. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 29 June 2016 17: 15
    +1
    This is the engine for lifting into orbit, and not for flying to Mars; the strength is not enough.

    For the flight itself you need something like this (Russian, of course):



    Weight kg 20290
    Overall dimensions (working position), m 53,4-21,6-21,6
    Electric power of electric power, MW 1,0
    Specific impulse of electric propulsion, km / s not less than 70,0
    Power of electric propulsion, MW no more than 0,94
    Total thrust of marching electric propulsion, N not less than 18,0
    Resource, years 10
    The means of selection of the launch vehicle "Angara-A5"

    appointment
    interorbital payload towing
    energy transfer to a payload (up to 225 kW)

    Amers, in spite of all their tweaks, have nothing of the kind. Here is a comparative table of the parameters of the previously built NRE:

    US USSR indicator
    The period of active actions for
    1961-1989 1959-1972
    Spent funds, $ billion ~ 0,3 ~ 2,0
    Number of manufactured
    reactor plants 5 20
    Principles of working out and creating element-wise integral
    Fuel composition Solid solution UC2 in graphite matrix
    Heat stress of active UC-ZrC, UC-ZrC-NbC
    zones, average / maximum,
    MW / L 15/33 2,3 / 5,1
    Maximum achieved
    working fluid temperature, K 3100 2550 2200
    Specific impulse of thrust, s ~ 940 ~ 850
    Work resource at maximum
    working fluid temperature, from 4000 50 2400

    We already have a technical design of the reactor; there are ready fuel elements for it on carbonitride fuel (a very important thing); there are tests of the refrigerator-emitter on the ISS; there are ID-500 engines tested for traction, specific impulse and declared resource.
  17. K-50
    K-50 29 June 2016 17: 16
    +1
    The title of the article is loud, but in fact the mattresses always have one zilch. laughing
    The shuttles were equipped with the same accelerators, well, a little weaker, why didn’t they fly to Mars?
    Generally nonsense, as always.
    request laughing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 June 2016 21: 52
      +1
      In general, everything is perfect in this direction, but our Roskosmos has a complete zero.
    2. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 30 June 2016 07: 42
      0
      This is not news at all. Here's the news (though it's from 1965 laughing ):

      AJ-260-2 for a draft of 1700-1800 tons. And this is at half the length at which it was tested. And in the third test, the thrust was 2670 tons. An engine with a diameter of 6,6 meters (compared with this one with 3 m). And where is the progress?



      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 June 2016 11: 21
        0
        This accelerator was created for a huge super rocket with a carrying capacity of 1500 tons at the IEO, but in view of cutting NASA funding, this project was closed.
  18. LVMI1980
    LVMI1980 29 June 2016 17: 17
    +3
    Solid fuel engine and how much scream ...
    from this engine to the engine for the Martian expedition - really "like to Mars"
    Bringing a heavy load into orbit is not a flight to Mars yet
  19. mvnmln
    mvnmln 29 June 2016 17: 19
    -5
    The drone to Mars will be launched from the railgun. Recently there was information about him.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 29 June 2016 20: 16
      -1
      Quote: mvnmln
      The drone to Mars will be launched from the railgun. Recently there was information about him.

      Yes, even if from a slingshot, Rogozin has long offered them a trampoline ...
      Projectors ...
      Launching a ship with astronauts from a railgun, it’s even tougher than the Munchhausen-Welsh flight from a cannon will be: maybe it will reach the lowest orbit ... a cutlet with bones ...
  20. Glaaki
    Glaaki 29 June 2016 17: 26
    +1
    Quote: Mestny
    Is it possible that theirs are not raging on the Internet about cheap contracts with Russia in the sense of "We are a great country, we must do everything ourselves, Obama go away"?

    Strangely enough, there is such, saw posts on a similar subject on reddit.
  21. Zheka40
    Zheka40 29 June 2016 17: 57
    +2
    Why do their engines smoke so? belay
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 29 June 2016 18: 10
      0
      This ... is also very poisonous.
    2. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 29 June 2016 18: 10
      -1
      This ... is also very poisonous.
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 29 June 2016 19: 20
        0
        well, not poisonous - stand ... close by and breathe deeper
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 June 2016 21: 53
      0
      Solid fuel engines all smoke.
  22. PValery53
    PValery53 29 June 2016 18: 00
    +1
    Ours promised on an ion propulsion to fly to Mars. Looks like different crises interfere. Something is not heard about the stage of our development.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 June 2016 21: 54
      0
      All our developments are pushed into the long box.
  23. fa2998
    fa2998 29 June 2016 18: 15
    -2
    Quote: igorka357
    They’re just dropping into orbit on ours, and then they already swung to Mars on their own .. well, well ..))!

    Americans are practical and economical. Why reinvent the wheel? We turned on the machine and bought cheap Russian engines for green candy wrappers. Engineering personnel are not distracted, they work for the future, for the unknown. And they will fly to Mars, and we will continue to be proud of Korolev, Sputnik, Gagarin, Tereshkova, and still fly around the Earth, and no one will catch up with us! The glorious past should be supported by the modern, and big plans for the future. And we have "exhausters" into orbit (on Soviet rockets), the ISS (the same on " royal "seven) and trade in engines (also invented in the USSR). yes hi
  24. lablizn
    lablizn 29 June 2016 18: 51
    +1
    I don’t understand why they so rested against the turbojet engine?
    The usual "kerosene stove" is also more environmentally friendly and more efficient in terms of thrust vector control.
    If you spit on the environment, then the LRE on heptyl in general have no equal momentum.
    The turbojet engine may be better with reusable use of the stage, but this seems to be out of the question in the article.
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 29 June 2016 19: 17
      0
      I don’t understand why they so rested against the turbojet engine?


      Theoretical ability to assemble a very high power engine. Although I think, this is not the right direction.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 June 2016 22: 01
        0
        And you go here http://dicelords.narod.ru/rockets/rocket3c2.html - a very interesting reading about fantastic and not very rocket engines, with elements of calculation.
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  26. Bramb
    Bramb 29 June 2016 19: 49
    -1
    An unmanned launch of this NASA spacecraft to Mars has been mapped to 2018 for the year.
    ----------------
    Something I have suspicions that in 2018 that Putin and us will blame that the flight did not take place.
    Get ready, guys.))
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 29 June 2016 20: 45
      -2
      NASA's unmanned launch to Mars of this spacecraft scheduled for 2018


      It's not a problem. The problem is in the mass. Launch the ship with the declared mass that meets the actual. Question who will check. Rather, there will be no question, for whatever they say will be. The United States is weakening, the state needs a new incentive, proof of exclusivity and power. Today, apart from a series of lost wars, the inability to maintain stability in hot regions and the fragility of the financial system, there is nothing. The launch of such a ship, which in fact will have the status of any similar one, research apparatuses that were brought out there forty years ago, should somehow stir up society, of course, with skillful media support. So the flight will take place. Just a question, flight of what.
  27. demiurg
    demiurg 29 June 2016 20: 24
    0
    I want to curse already on a human genius. Already about 70 years of the space age, and no movement forward. Engines have only become more powerful and rockets larger (although even this is debatable with respect to Energy and Saturn). What is the exploitation of Mars in the opa, when tens of millions of tanks cost a person to fly into orbit?
    What to be proud of?
  28. AlexYa
    AlexYa 29 June 2016 20: 30
    0
    And why the hell do we need this Mars? Is it not easier then to stupidly stomp the data among the Myrikna people? We need in the asteroid belt - to stake out resources.
    1. mark1
      mark1 30 June 2016 21: 19
      0
      Quote: AlexYa
      We need in the asteroid belt - to stake out resources.

      Americans and Chinese to sell?
  29. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 29 June 2016 20: 43
    0
    Quote: coconut tim
    America is preparing a flight to Mars

    They are not there)) Picture class))
  30. shinobi
    shinobi 30 June 2016 04: 33
    0
    And here Mars, they make the usual first stage for a heavy carrier. Put modules into orbit for orbital assembly. Moreover, the Yankees do not have long-term expeditions experience, the moons will not fly further without us.
  31. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 30 June 2016 09: 30
    0
    NASA is testing the power plant for flights to Mars

    Have they already forgotten about their cartoon, how did they "throw" the rover?
  32. LVMI1980
    LVMI1980 30 June 2016 10: 01
    0
    Quote: lablizn
    I don’t understand why they so rested against the turbojet engine?

    So they forgot how to do LRE, the last serious LRE were for the Shuttle (1980 if my memory serves me)
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 June 2016 11: 24
      0
      Yes, they have not forgotten how to, simply a turbojet engine for the first stage is more powerful and cheaper than a liquid propellant rocket engine.
  33. Old26
    Old26 2 July 2016 12: 52
    0
    Quote: igorka357
    They’re just dropping into orbit on ours, and then they already swung to Mars on their own .. well, well ..))!

    Stop talking nonsense in the end. They use an engine for one carrier, providing about 15-20% of launches (about 110-120 engines were purchased, that is, for 55-60 carriers, most of which have already flown), so we are already inflated from the importance of our ". And they are right doing what they buy. At the same time, calmly, without haste, they finish their engines (I emphasize, not YOUR OWN engine, and ITS engines with traction characteristics are much higher than ours. And we continue to rejoice ...

    Quote: Infinity
    They relied too much on the super-expensive Space Shuttles, the euphoria of reusability passed quickly, and after the program was closed, they were waiting for the creation of new spaceships.

    Well, I won’t say that the euphoria passed quickly. Yet 135 EMNIP flights. Of course, what they planned was not achieved, but still gained experience in managing large masses in orbit. For disrupting the creation of a manned space program, they must thank their Obama.

    Quote: PENZYAC
    As usual, basically, ours will be done, but what about paying for it with freshly printed evergreen? ... How about the ISS? ...

    Have we built all their blocks? You opened my eyes. probably in a terrible secret they did. Damn, well, at least MATCH teach. Not in but some kind of garbage becomes. The less a person knows, but on the other hand, a cheer patriot - the more profitable it is now ...

    Quote: shinobi
    And here Mars, they make the usual first stage for a heavy carrier. Put modules into orbit for orbital assembly. Moreover, the Yankees do not have long-term expeditions experience, the moons will not fly further without us.

    Well, in principle, I agree with you, the title is "not quite", although in principle it corresponds to reality. Testing the power plant for a flight to Mars. Only we mean at once the engine of the Martian complex, but in fact it is the engine of the super-heavy LV for the outputs of the modules from which the Martian complex will be assembled. As for long-term flights, you are wrong. At the time when there was our "world" and the American "Shuttles" they really did not have such an experience. Now, with the ISS, they already have it. Our cosmonaut and their astronaut flew EMNIP to the GOD station. so they have already gained experience during this time too.

    Quote: LVMI1980
    So they forgot how to do LRE, the last serious LRE were for the Shuttle (1980 if my memory serves me)

    I do not want to upset you, but memory is cheating on you. What they have now in work and at the exit have characteristics better than our RD, which we supply them. And they have four types of EMNIP engines at the exit 4. Two of them have a thrust of 600 tons
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 6 July 2016 19: 17
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      I do not want to upset you, but memory is cheating on you. What they have now in work and at the exit have characteristics better than our RD, which we supply them. And they have four types of EMNIP engines at the exit 4. Two of them have a thrust of 600 tons


      I apologize, but where and when will their "superior" engines be performed in full-scale form? On Earth on the eve of the flight? Well, good luck. Ground testing will NEVER fully simulate space conditions, and there are too many questions about computer testing.