Ankara: payment of compensation to the Peshkov's family is possible

The Turkish government admits the possibility of paying compensation to the family of the deceased pilot Oleg Peshkov, reports RIA News report of the press secretary of the President of the Republic Ibrahim Kalyn.

“If a request comes from the family of the deceased pilot, this issue can be discussed,” said Kalyn.

The agency recalls that a day ago, “Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, in a message to Russian leader Vladimir Putin, apologized for the downed Su-24 aircraft, expressed words of sympathy and condolences over the death of his pilot, and also stated that Turkey did not want to spoil relations with Russia” .

In Moscow, Erdogan’s message was called “an important step for the normalization of relations,” between the Russian Federation and Turkey.

At the same time, the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Peskov, noted that this is not enough and that “it will not be possible to solve all the problems in a few days”

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[vovanpain]

Quote: avvg

Turks without Russia "khan", so they will fulfill all the conditions of Russia.

They’re already wagging their tail. Russian presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov urged to refrain from conclusions on Russian-Turkish relations until tomorrow: “Tomorrow, on the initiative of the Russian side, a telephone conversation will be held between President Putin and President Erdogan,” he told reporters. Peskov added that the telephone conversation between the heads of Russia and Turkey will fall, tentatively, in the middle of tomorrow. He also dispelled the doubts of skeptics, confirming that the word “sorry” from Erdogan’s message, indicated in the Russian version, was correctly translated and 100% corresponded to the Turkish language. According to the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation, the message of the Turkish leader is a significant step towards normalizing relations between the two countries. The unexpected action of the Turkish president was a real sensation. While discussions on this issue were heating up, and a flurry of expert and not very opinions overwhelmed the Internet, others followed this event. For example, a statement by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, who did not hear the words of apology in Erdogan’s speech. And also the completely inappropriate behavior of the Turkish Prime Minister, who first announced his readiness to pay compensation to Russia, and soon, he himself refuted his own words. In Russia, as a whole, opinions agreed that an important step for normalization was taken. Will Erdogan stumble in the future, will he put his foot on the same rake - it will be clear later. It makes no sense to test your psychic abilities and try to predict the course of events. Tomorrow, Vladimir Putin will have a personal conversation with his Turkish counterpart and will clarify this long-pressing issue.

[populist]

Quote: vovanpain

They’re already wagging their tail. Russian presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov urged to refrain from conclusions on Russian-Turkish relations until tomorrow: “Tomorrow, on the initiative of the Russian side, a telephone conversation will be held between President Putin and President Erdogan,” he told reporters.

There was no public official apology. Compensation for the family and for the plane has not been paid. The perpetrators are not punished. What is Putin going to talk about with these monsters, moreover "on the initiative of the Russian side"?
Complete loss of face.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: populist

There was no public official apology. Compensation for the family and for the plane has not been paid. The perpetrators are not punished. What is Putin going to talk about with these monsters, moreover "on the initiative of the Russian side"?
Complete loss of face.

Yes, in general, it looks like our media rushed ahead of the steam train, trumpeting the victory - in fact, the Turks did not announce anything fundamentally new

[WKS]

The family of the murdered is possible compensation! And what compensation will there be to the whole people of Russia? These people fell on Turkish resorts. He took notes there honestly earned by overwork, bringing home a tan on his skin and leather jackets, which quickly went off. I bought Turkish tomatoes in stores and markets. And such nonsense about a plane flying to Turkey, about ten-time warnings to him ... Sorry they say we didn’t want to. This Erdogan cannot be forgiven, let him crawl on his knees with his entire cabinet in Sochi along the Anatolian, and then along the Caucasian coast of the Black Sea. And there it is up to you to forgive or not.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: populist

What is Putin going to talk about with these monsters, moreover "on the initiative of the Russian side"?

I would very much hope that he is going to express everything that he thinks about Erdogan.
But all this politics, diplomatic etiquette ...

[armata37]

Not a loss of face, but you have a complete loss of self-control. You, dear, know a lot at the level of the President and do you have access to all the subtleties of the situation? I’m sure not. With the situation regarding the pilot, a solution will be found.

This is the East. Here it is worth acting cunningly. Remember in the film: "The East is a delicate matter"?
But what if there was originally a plan once again to push Russia and Turkey together? Wanted a war?

[populist]

armata37
Wanted a war?

Where did I write about the war? These are your insinuations.

[Ivan Ivanovich]

They already have a fashion - do not keep your word ...

[seti]

They are definitely not getting rid of tomatoes here. And I wouldn’t take Turkish paper for Russian blood

[Lukich]

Quote: avvg

Turks without Russia, in my opinion already "khan", they have nowhere to go, so the Turks will fulfill all the conditions of Russia.

Turkey, a member of NATO and militarily they feel great. Well, the economy ... it’s not connected with Russia alone. Yes, they incur losses, but it is not fatal.

[Khariton]

You will not get off with the Turks apologies ... You owe us a lot for the Caucasus! We all remember ....

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Chariton

You will not get off with the Turks apologies ... You owe us a lot for the Caucasus! We all remember ....

Another revival of MIKHAN

[Khariton]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Quote: Chariton

You will not get off with the Turks apologies ... You owe us a lot for the Caucasus! We all remember ....

Another revival of MIKHAN

I didn't understand your "terrible" joy ... Do you understand me do not agree ...?

[ser-pov]

We were ready to give the family money and pay for the plane, as soon as Putin agreed to talk with Perdogan, they immediately turned on the back !!! We do not need such partners on ... r! Let it boil in its own juice!

[V.ic]

Quote: ser-pov

mouth and boil in their own juice!

Are you talking about urine?

[Stiletto]

“If a request is received from the family of the deceased pilot, this issue may be discussed”

That's the thing! That is, the family of the deceased pilot should be begging? Yes, you went, Perdogan, the forest with such your apologies! It would be nice for you to roll up their GDP during today's negotiations and put it where you need to!

[pig killer]

Even raising the question of the conditions for payment by the Turks of compensation for the organized murder of a Russian pilot should be offensive to Russia.
Any discussions with the Turks on this issue disgustingly smell of Zurabovism.

[major147]

Once the Turks pose the question as shown above, then let them continue to suck the paw of the Russian bear.

[Andrey K]

“If a request is received from the family of the deceased pilot, this issue may be discussed,” Kalyn said ...
This is something new in Turkish. That is, the family of a pilot killed by the Turks must turn to the Turks, and in fact to those responsible for the killing, with a request for compensation
We decided to put the family in the pose of beggars
What a nafig "normalization of relations". The Janissaries' tower was completely demolished.

[razmik72]

Quote: Andrey K

“If a request is received from the family of the deceased pilot, this issue may be discussed,” Kalyn said ...
This is something new in Turkish. That is, the family of a pilot killed by the Turks must turn to the Turks, and in fact to those responsible for the killing, with a request for compensation
We decided to put the family in the pose of beggars
What a nafig "normalization of relations". The Janissaries' tower was completely demolished.

And why should the family of the deceased pilot directly contact the Turkish government, you can sue.

[PDM80]

Not if, from the point of view of civil law, Russian, the family of the deceased pilot and marine should determine the amount of payment. After all, there is not only a lump sum payment, but also payments for the maintenance of minor children until they reach 18 years of age, the payment procedure. So if you discard the policy, then, in principle, the Turks are right, only this must be done in court, because in case of satisfaction of the requirements of our side by the court, this will be an official act of the judiciary and here the Turks already want it or not and this is official recognition

[Andrey K]

Quote: PDM80

... So if you discard the policy, then, in principle, the Turks are right, only this must be done in court ...

A colleague, so the Turks rejected politics and Russian civil law
He did not say a word about lawsuits, or the execution of a court decision. It was said clearly and clearly - let the family ask ... and they think ... maybe deign ... because they "admit the possibility"...
I did not miss anything, did not misinterpret?

[PDM80]

Then give a colleague to separate flies from cutlets. What is important for Russia to get money or to put the Turks in a stall! If you get the money, then maybe you are right to interpret the words of their prime minister. If you stall, then you don’t need to focus on compensation, but you need to demand more substantial concessions from the Turks in the same Syrian issue. In the end, the plane, no matter how much it costs in the war, is a consumable item, and a soldier doesn’t matter in what rank he always runs the risk of dying. And Russia is fighting in Syria, no matter what.

[Andrey K]

He was not supposed to die there if you decided to separate the "flies from cutlets". And Peshkov is not a consumable, he is a citizen of Russia - killed by a neighbor. And concessions from the Turks on the Syrian issue should not be expected. And without their concessions, they will cut off all the oxygen there.

[PDM80]

I said about the plane that it was a consumable item, but not about Peshkov! Yes, and our spotter was not supposed to die, but he died! This is a war, they shoot there. As for the fact that until someone is blocked, it’s impossible, and most importantly, with the complicity of the Turks, peaceful people die. And in any case, there’s no point in arguing about something until Putin talks on the phone, after this conversation it will be clear who will pay what and to whom. Putin has a very good trait; he drives into a corner, but doesn’t finish it off, but gives him the opportunity to go out and not lose his face. Remember Obama with his red line.

[kashtak]

Quote: PDM80

What is important for Russia to get money or to put the Turks in a stall

sorry to interfere. but this stall is from the vocabulary of "exceptional" who like to keep everyone in the stall. If everyone will put each other in the stall, then everyone will have to live in the stable. not a word about this in Putin's demands. If anything, Russia needs not to belittle Turkey, but to squeeze the terrorists and prevent them from spreading the war even wider. reduction of "regulated chaos". you are more careful or something in expressions. Erdogan admitted the mistake further on the issue of negotiations. relations with Ankara must be restored one way or another. By the way, they did not have time to report on Turkey's negotiations with Russia and Israel as a major terrorist attack. and, interestingly, ISIS fighters are suspected. what is it for? Ankara has decided to deviate from the prescribed line?

[PDM80]

Now Putin has begun a telephone conversation with Erdogan. Let's see what they agree on, if they agree

[major147]

According to the pilot, yes. But marine, this is a separate issue. There is a question for gr. Celik.

[Andrey K]

Quote: razmik72

And why should the family of the deceased pilot directly contact the Turkish government, you can sue.

Have you read the article? Kalyn is waiting for a request from the family, he does not mention the court. Neither Russian nor Turkish

[PDM80]

Yes, he can wait for anything, even Muslim Easter. It’s just that if before there was no reason to go to court, now there is a chance in the Turkish court to win. Nevertheless, only relatives of the deceased can decide on the amount of compensation, no one else! And for the downed plane, this is the Ministry of Defense to decide.

[Andrey K]

I agree with you

[razmik72]

Quote: Andrey K

Quote: razmik72

And why should the family of the deceased pilot directly contact the Turkish government, you can sue.

Have you read the article? Kalyn is waiting for a request from the family, he does not mention the court. Neither Russian nor Turkish

I read the article and even if Kalyn expects an appeal from the family at least until the second coming of Christ, I believe that this should not be done directly, it is humiliating for the family of the deceased pilot.
But in a similar situation, when the relatives of the unfortunate Avetisyan family filed a lawsuit and demanded compensation from the Russian Federation, the members of the forum did not differ in particular delicacy and “trampled on” on this topic. Russia 450 thousand euros compensation for moral damage ":
A user under the nickname Wiruz from Kazakhstan, he himself introduces himself as a Russian, not a Kazakh: "And this, gentlemen, is already disgusting, give them this Permyakov, even if they remove the skin from a living. And demand money using this> here I could not find the words < the phrase "for moral damage".
The forum member Wiruz received 76 likes, spelling and punctuation are completely his. I will continue in the next comment.

[razmik72]

I continue to quote the comments of the members of the forum that they left in the article "Relatives of the killed members of the Armenian family of Avetisyan decided to demand from Russia ...". Forum user Makk:
"Yes, yes, maybe they need to make repairs in the apartment or change the author."
Got 75 likes, punctuation and spelling are completely saved.

[razmik72]

Forum member slava84:
“You don't have to pay! It seems to me like a“ ransom. ”Yes, and I wouldn't need money, they won’t replace people! I think those who take money in such cases are at least“ dishonest people ”.
Paying for the treatment of the wounded is the right thing. Otherwise, it's even disgusting to look at! "Forum member slava 84 even managed to speak out on the planes:
"The plane fell, to all the relatives of Lama or how much else. Why? Maybe these relatives did not communicate for 100 years and did not intend to." Got 22 likes.

[Andrey K]

Quote: razmik72

I read the article and even if Kalyn expects an appeal from the family at least until the second coming of Christ, I believe that this should not be done directly, it is humiliating for the family of the deceased pilot.
But in a similar situation, when the relatives of the unfortunate Avetisyan family filed a lawsuit and demanded compensation from the Russian Federation, the members of the forum did not differ in particular delicacy and "trampled on" on this topic ...

Mher, you have mixed both people and horses. I condole with the Avetisyan family. By the way, look, somewhere on the forum and I "checked in". And the comment was adequate and worthy. But ... you have drawn analogies that are simply incompatible. The offender, a contract soldier, regardless of the opinion of the members of the forum, was detained and convicted. Whether the Avetisyans filed a lawsuit or not is their own business. In the case of Peshkov, the plane was shot down, shot down by order, and not out of the personal preference of the Turkish pilot. Nobody has been detained or convicted ... and so on and so forth ...
Agree, the picture looms completely different.
PS I remembered about the forum that you mentioned - for that matter ... it was about filing a lawsuit against the Russian Federation at the ECHR, which warmed up disputes on this subject ... Where is the Russian base, where are the interests of the victims and where is the ECHR , with the advocates of human rights defenders

[razmik72]

Quote: Andrey K

Quote: razmik72

I read the article and even if Kalyn expects an appeal from the family at least until the second coming of Christ, I believe that this should not be done directly, it is humiliating for the family of the deceased pilot.
But in a similar situation, when the relatives of the unfortunate Avetisyan family filed a lawsuit and demanded compensation from the Russian Federation, the members of the forum did not differ in particular delicacy and "trampled on" on this topic ...

Mher, you have mixed both people and horses. I condole with the Avetisyan family. By the way, look there somewhere on the forum and I "checked in". And the comment was adequate and worthy. But ... you have drawn analogies that are simply incompatible. The offender, a contract soldier, regardless of the opinion of the members of the forum, was detained and convicted. Whether the Avetisyans filed it or not is their own business. In the case of Peshkov, the plane was shot down, shot down by order, and not out of the personal preference of the Turkish pilot. Nobody is detained or convicted ... and so on and so forth ...
Agree, the picture looms completely different.
PS The similarities about the forum that you mentioned - for that matter ... it was about filing a lawsuit against the Russian Federation at the ECHR, which sparked debate on this topic ... Where is the Russian base, where are the interests of the victims and where is the ECHR , with the advocates of human rights defenders

I do not claim that all forum users wrote such comments, if that were the case, I would not go to the forum and talk at all. But the situation is similar and the fact that Permyakov deserted from the military unit and shot the whole family does not remove responsibility Russia sent Russia for his soldier, he was sent to Armenia to serve Armenia, he didn’t come here as a tourist. And the fact that Turkey behaves so brazenly is not my fault, it’s not your fault, they just think that Russia is too weak and with it do not stand on ceremony.

[Lukich]

Quote: razmik72

they just think that Russia is too weak and it is not worth it to stand on ceremony.

and they sacredly believe that they will arrange a sird for us

[Revolver]

Quote: Andrey K

The Janissaries' tower was completely demolished.

Unfortunately, it did not take down, although it should have been demolished by the Turkish scimitar, and according to Turkish custom, it was planted at the peak and put on display by the general public.

[Shadowcat]

My girlfriend was more specific in many matters than they were.

[rotmistr60]

Again they took up the old. Yesterday, the Turkish Prime Minister said that compensation will be paid for the downed aircraft, and in the evening they say that they will not pay compensation. Today they say that if the relatives of the deceased officially apply, then the question can to be considered. They will say tomorrow that they did not say anything. What possible normalization of relations can we talk about?

[Peasant]

Maybe they still, cattle, the family should write a tearful petition7 They completely beguiled the coast.

[Stas157]

Ankara: payment of compensation to the Peshkov's family is possible

Interestingly, and under what conditions? What will they ask Putin for this?
They can’t, just like that, by the movement of the soul!
I do not believe in the altruism of the Turks, nor the fact that they are tormented by a complex of guilt about the downed Su-24!

[PValery53]

I would like to add: "The payment of compensation to the family of the pilot Peshkov" is not only "possible" - it is simply necessary for the bright future of Turkey and its current "Sultan".

[Mengad]

If Vladimir Vladimirovich is behind Syria in a conversation with Erdogan and Turkey will cease to support a busurman? It will be a victory. But with the Turks one must keep an eye out and conduct a dialogue on the condition that Russia is primarily beneficial in the political and economic direction without prejudice to the interests of the Russian and Russian economies.

[Lukich]

Quote: Mengad

If Vladimir Vladimirovich is behind Syria in a conversation with Erdogan and Turkey will cease to support a busurman?

yes it never will happen. Syria for Erdogashka with its oil is the tidbit for him. Yes, and Sasha will not be allowed to reverse

[Leto]

Quote: Mengad

If Vladimir Vladimirovich is behind Syria in a conversation with Erdogan and Turkey will cease to support a busurman?

You are naive to the impossibility.

[Mengad]

There is nothing to be naive .. it's just geopolitics.

[salad]

Pay as much as you need and send the killer to the Russian Federation for trial!

[prabiz]

Here is one more example of how to have something with the Turks!
A big root for them from the earth, not a request for compensation !!!!

[NordUral]

In fact, in decent states with such an apology they are sent to hell.

[the hairdresser]

It looks like our tail was wagged (Conditions were set! Turks didn’t fulfill them !!!! What kind of talk to say ???

[ser-pov]

Hurriedly GDP agreed to a conversation with Perdogan ... Wait a bit and would have squeezed ...

[the hairdresser]

He is its initiator (

[Evil 55]

I believe that only the ears of Perdogan and his cliques on the wall in the apartment of the relatives of Lieutenant Colonel Peshkov can be appropriate compensation ..

[Reptiloid]

Well, why the heck do stench and dirt breed in a good house and flies to attract these filthy ears? What bastards.
Let as in ancient times ---- crawl down the face of the earth. Without lifting it, the best jewels are brought as an apology.

From the Turkish border.

[Leto]

The agency recalls that a day ago, "Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, in a message to Russian leader Vladimir Putin, apologized for the downed Su-24

Erdogan didn’t apologize for the downed plane, he didn’t even apologize for the death of the pilot, he ONLY expressed regret for his death and brought his (YOUR PERSONAL! Not on behalf of the state) condolences to the relatives of the deceased. And when it came to compensation, it was about compensation to relatives, not Russia for the plane. This article is only confirmation of this. Moreover, Erdogan writes as a PRIVATE person, as a Turkish citizen Recep Tayyip Erdogan, otherwise it would be a PERSONAL NOTE executed on a note form with the state emblem.
"WHO THAT" in Russia really wants to make peace with Turkey and therefore any curtsey of Islamist Erdogan is inflated to "apologize", "back down", ie to make a "good face with a bad game" would thus justify the return of good relations with the criminal Erdogan, whom they have already glorified in the press.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Leto

"WHO THAT" in Russia really wants to make peace with Turkey and therefore any curtsey of Islamist Erdogan is inflated to "apologize", "back down", ie to make a "good face with a bad game" would thus justify the return of good relations with the criminal Erdogan, whom they have already glorified in the press.

yeah, and this "someone" decided to call Erdogan himself

[populist]

Leto
"WHO THAT" in Russia really wants to make peace with Turkey and therefore any curtsey of Islamist Erdogan is inflated to "apologize", "back down", ie make a "good face on a bad game"

Gazprom, atommash and another CTO-TO.

[kashtak]

Quote: Leto

"WHO THAT" in Russia really wants to make peace with Turkey, and therefore any curtsey of Islamist Erdogan is inflated to "apologize", "back down", ie to make a "good face with a bad game" would thus justify the return of good relations with the criminal Erdogan, whom they have already glorified in the press

Do you prefer Russia to be at war with all its neighbors? Erdogans come and go, but Turkey remains.

[Mountain shooter]

What are all impatient! We have been waiting for at least something for seven months. Now the Turks will wait half a year. A telephone conversation is just an answer to a letter.

[amr]

Well, to see, we allow ourselves to behave this way and apologize, here they are, behave this way and apologize ...
In general, in the end, it will still be necessary to put up, Erdogan is not eternal, but Putin, under certain conditions, can accept an apology and can officially say: “that as the head of state he accepted an apology for political stability and strategic economy, but to go to Turkish resorts and buy Turkish tomatoes the Russian people will decide for themselves !!!!

[strannik595]

what is this hieroglyph in the Russian Crimea .... greetings from the valiant divers Islyamov to the Kerch builders?)
and on the topic - I join all the comments that say that the Turks lost their conscience and shook the shores ........ the wife of the deceased officer should be compensated ask among the Turks ........ how their mother and father raised it is unclear if they have such premieres with such concepts, then what about the rest

[Polite Moose]

The Turkish government admits the possibility of paying compensation to the family of the deceased pilot

I don’t know who, but to me an apology in that tone seems out of place. He admit the opportunity. They brought condolences. Relations they did not want to spoil. Friendships wanted. T in and r and two-faced.
If someone repents of their deeds or brings condolences, then he should do this sincerely, with the awareness of the severity of his act, and not arrange a political circus with elements of a bazaar bargaining. A request from the family of the deceased by them, you see, is needed. Then maybe they will think about paying compensation.
Even less began to respect the Turks after all this. P-sy.

[sa-ag]

Quote: Polite Elk

Friendship Wanted

What kind of friendship, what are you all that is being done or is being said by Turkey, there is only one goal - to get much more money either in the form of the Turkish stream or in the form of tourism, you can calmly make a wide gesture in the direction of the family of the deceased, if that brings a couple of billion backwards

[Victor1]

We are saddened by the actions of our side in this matter; what for doesn’t need such a normalization of relations, and even with these dastardly hypocrites.
Is there really no honor left for these politicians and they do not care about the shame that will happen if they make concessions to the Turks, and even in such circumstances ..
Let's see what will happen in the end, but even preliminary statements by Peskov no longer inspire confidence ..

[Khariton]

The Turks want us for their apologies and compensation ... The Kurds were "sold" to them! Who came up with all this ..? We will take the money from you, the bastards have begun to bargain! You shouldn't be so Ottomans with us ...

[Victor1]

Putin has sold, betraying and disgracing Russia ...
as soon as the beach season began and the Turks felt a blow to their pocket, they immediately ran hypocritically to ask for forgiveness, but in fact, everything is clear.
As a result, Putin removes restrictions on tourism, despite the fact that only a few days ago there were a couple of terrorist attacks.
Those. the Russian people and the honor of Russia do not care?
And this despite what happened? And the fact that our people openly say that Turkey supports terrorists.
What the hell is going on?
How is it possible, after all that has happened, to establish relations with traitors and hypocrites in this way, after a not-so-clear scribe ..
The whole world will laugh at us now, shame ...

I hope our people will continue to ignore Turkey and strike at it with their sanctions, without using its goods and resorts.

http://ria.ru/tourism/20160629/1454284149.html

[fa2998]

Quote: armata37

Not a loss of face, but you have a complete loss of self-control. You, dear, know a lot at the level of the President and do you have access to all the subtleties of the situation?

You, dear, I also have a loss of self-control! And I believe that these backstage talks are a loss of face.
Prior to that, obviously aggressive actions of Turkey, numerous PUBLIC anti-Russian statements by top Turkish officials and military. And they won't get off with "tomatoes" - and EVERYTHING, the bubble was blown away. Yes, I don't have, as you said, "access to all the subtleties" - so explain to me. And then since November, anti-Turkish propaganda - "a knife in the back of Russia", "accomplices of terrorists", etc. (which is correct) - and now they put up with tihari. streets and schools are already being renamed after the heroically killed military men.

[KVashentcev]

They didn’t answer for the pilot! They are also trying to bargain ..
I see no reason to use the principle "nothing personal, just business." Is it bad for us without Turkey? And after the terrorist attacks, it is wrong to return tourists there, they were not allowed to go to Egypt, why do you need to fill Turkish pockets urgently? The fate of Erdogan should not concern us, his problems were created by him, let him disentangle himself!