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"Steel Research Institute" is actively working on import substitution, and is ready to fully meet the needs of the military in ceramic armor for the newest armored vehicles

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The introduction of anti-Russian sanctions has become an incentive for the development of ideas for import substitution in mechanical engineering. OAO Scientific Research Institute of Steel (part of the Tractor Plants Concern) also makes an invaluable contribution to the state program, reports press office enterprises.




“Quite recently, a new ultra high-strength steel armor" 44С-Cв-Ш "was adopted by the Russian Army, the development of which was carried out exclusively at the expense of OAO" Steel Research Institute ". The new development is in no way inferior to the best foreign analogues and successfully closes the niche of modern anti-bullet armor steels for various applications, ”the release says.

“Today it is much more difficult to deal with ceramic and composite materials, primarily on the basis of high molecular weight polyethylene. As in the case of armor steels, the development of armor ceramics and armored composites has been carried out for a long time by Russian enterprises on an initiative basis, practically without state support, ”the institute notes.

“Today, few people remember what the vector of development of our armed forces was during the years of the former leadership of the Ministry of Defense. And the matter is not even in the acclaimed French Mistrals, Italian Iveco armored vehicles and other models of foreign weapons and military equipment, the acquisition of which on the one hand would hardly change the combat capability of the Russian Army, and on the other (in the current situation) it would hardly be possible. Much more dangerous for the future of the Russian army looked plans to replace, for example, the Russian "light armor" on the import. At the same time, the term “light armor” was understood to mean both traditional steel and aluminum armor, and the production of ceramic and composite armor that was just emerging in Russia, without which it is impossible to create promising armored military equipment and equipment today. The Ministry of Defense, focusing on Western technologies at that time, for some reason did not consider it necessary to invest in this sphere, ”reminds the press service.

“Partly for this reason, the issue of import substitution touched this strategically important sphere of ensuring the country's defense, because about 70% of armor ceramics and practically 100% of high-molecular polyethylene used in protective equipment came to Russia from abroad, mainly from Germany, China, India and Israel, ”the statement reads.

“The research institutes of steel, recalling the experience of creating ceramic armor for body armor 6B4 of the Afghan period of the end of the 70-s, for several years, together with a number of domestic enterprises, has been working on the organization of production of domestic armored ceramics. Armored ceramics are very specific products that require the availability of appropriate raw materials, advanced technologies, unique equipment, production culture, ”the release notes.

According to the press service, “The close cooperation of the research institutes of steel with such ceramics manufacturers as CJSC NEVZ Ceramics, CJSC Aloks, LLC Virial, TsNIIM, NPO Composite, and others has significantly improved the quality of armored ceramics and practically brought its characteristics to the level of the best Western samples. "

At the same time, the specialists of the institute, “formulated the requirements for the physicomechanical characteristics of armor ceramics, made recommendations for their provision, developed a methodological apparatus for the rapid assessment of ballistic parameters and conducted tests of armor ceramics, developed specific armor structures using ceramics for specific tasks.

It is reported that as a result of the work done, “the production of armored ceramics of the required quality over the past 2-3 of the year by Russian manufacturers has been increased tenfold, and this process continues to evolve.”

“In 2014, the research institutes of steel from scientific research work proceeded to practical tasks, for which a site for the production of ceramic armored panels for various purposes was created. Today, the institute is ready to fully meet the needs of the Russian Army in ceramic armor for advanced armored vehicles - Armata, Kurganets, Typhoon, Platform, and others, ”the press release said.
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  1. avvg
    avvg 28 June 2016 11: 39
    +15
    And all the Liberals say that the sanctions are increasing Russia's technological lag behind the West, and "Scientific Research Institute of Steel" proves that we can live without the West.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 28 June 2016 11: 47
      +3
      in ceramic armor for promising armored vehicles - "Armata", "Kurganets", "Typhoon", "Platform", etc. ", - said in a press release.


      You need to start with the BMP-2 and BTR-80 / 82.

      Armored ceramics on BBM LAV-25
      1. Primipilus
        Primipilus 28 June 2016 11: 58
        +3
        "We need to start with the BMP-2 and BTR-80/82"


        They will lose the ability to swim, but for Russia this is not unimportant.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 28 June 2016 12: 38
          +7
          Quote: Primipilus
          They will lose the ability to swim, but for Russia this is not unimportant.

          Although not my profile, but if they asked me - you will throw armor or swim, I would choose the armor without hesitation. The melt is relevant to marines and reconnaissance, the rest romp more on land. If you delve into all the recent wars - I do not think that many cases of forcing water barriers will be typed.
          1. Parsec
            Parsec 28 June 2016 16: 35
            +1
            Quote: lelikas
            Though not my profile, but if they asked me - you will throw armor or swim, I would choose the armor without hesitation


            This is because not your profile.

            Ever wondered why all the equipment to the regiment, including artillery self-propelled guns, air defense systems, radio stations was, with a few exceptions, floating?

            Floating equipment is difficult, the weight distribution of the units and the sealing of the hull require tricks, but the requirement is to swim. And it’s not to force rivers and land from the BDK.
            1. mehanik27
              mehanik27 28 June 2016 17: 19
              0
              And we have a lot of self-propelled guns and anti-aircraft missiles floating ???? And with radio stations, how is things going, well, except for those that are based on the BMP-BTR ???
              1. Parsec
                Parsec 28 June 2016 17: 41
                0
                With self-propelled guns, I ran it.

                Floating air defense systems Strela 1, Strela-10, Wasp.

                The radio stations are exactly those based on the BTR and KShM.
                1. mehanik27
                  mehanik27 28 June 2016 17: 52
                  +1
                  Well, the Arrow is floating precisely because of MTLB, on the basis of which it is mounted. The OSA is also floating precisely because of the BAZ. But the question immediately arises, are there a lot of the same Arrows and OS ?? If you take a regular anti-aircraft division, okay, Arrows are floating, if the battery MANPADS on the BMP, then they float. But what to do with the main strike force, the Tunugsok battery ??? They also float well, but only to the bottom ... And this is not what we need. Therefore, the point in swimming technology in the send is already fell away
                  1. Parsec
                    Parsec 28 June 2016 17: 59
                    0
                    Quote: mehanik27
                    But what to do with the main impact force-battery Tunugsok ??


                    What kind of power? Shock? Well, well ...

                    On self-propelled ferries to transport.
                    1. mehanik27
                      mehanik27 28 June 2016 22: 43
                      0
                      Yeah, shock .. Tungusyats will still be the ones in the performance characteristics of the TTX. And if they are transported by ferry, what’s the point in buoyancy of the same Arrow 10 ??? Only that MTLB turned out to be a convenient platform for accommodation.
            2. lelikas
              lelikas 28 June 2016 22: 41
              0
              Quote: Parsec
              Ever wondered why all the equipment to the regiment, including artillery self-propelled guns, air defense systems, radio stations was, with a few exceptions, floating?

              I can answer without hesitation - (I apologize for being late) - the military said - it is necessary - received - it floats so-so and no armor - guessed? I also will modestly keep silent about the possibility of going to the non-equipped shore, and the question of how many times ferries were used on their own remains open.
              The English Channel will still not be allowed to cross on its own, for the rest there are pontoon troops. And all because of unification - there are many different types of equipment on the same platform, i.e. On the basis of armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and MTLB, it’s not profitable for different troops to produce different equipment. Although, now they come to this slowly.
          2. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 28 June 2016 22: 13
            0
            Moreover, armored ceramics are made in the form of easily replaceable (removable) modules. And who prevents the use of cheap disposable pontoons with quick-setting foam (macroflex, only domestic, improved analogue) as a filler when crossing water barriers?
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      2. Professor
        Professor 28 June 2016 12: 22
        +8
        Quote: cosmos111
        You need to start with the BMP-2 and BTR-80 / 82.

        These mass graves should not be reserved, but remelted into something more modern and otherwise protected, and the fighters will ride them on armor.
        1. Juborg
          Juborg 28 June 2016 13: 46
          -1
          Oh-oh-oh (!), For the first time from the "professor" I heard the words of reason. A man from a sunny country says correctly, these machines have long ceased to meet modern requirements and cannot resist modern means of destruction. Increasing armor and various kinds of screens will only make the machine heavier, reducing its maneuverability, in addition, increasing the caliber (the same 57 mm complex) will also make them heavier, and besides, the power one no longer pulls, and an increase in mass will require reinforcement (as if not completely redistribution) of the chassis of the machines.
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: cosmos111
          You need to start with the BMP-2 and BTR-80 / 82.

          These mass graves should not be reserved, but remelted into something more modern and otherwise protected, and the fighters will ride them on armor.
    2. cniza
      cniza 28 June 2016 11: 49
      +15
      Quote: avvg
      And all the Liberals say that sanctions exacerbate Russia's technological backwardness from the West.


      We will defeat any external enemy, but the internal one, like a cancerous tumor, cannot be brought to the extreme stage, crush them in the bud.
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 28 June 2016 12: 01
        +11
        We can’t, but nowhere to go ...! And enough already hopes to the west ... We got a great lesson! Of course it’s easier to buy than to develop and produce ourselves ... Is that right, gentlemen, military-industrial complex officials, etc.? You’ll have to wander around the country, restore the entire system ... You don’t have to sit in Moscow and distribute grandmas! Everything ends with Lafa (kickbacks, etc.)
        A country on the brink of war! hi Nevertheless, the death penalty must be restored for treason and theft on a large scale (with the confiscation of all relatives). Otherwise, Russia will not survive! (stealing bastards godlessly ..)
      2. Cormorants
        Cormorants 28 June 2016 12: 03
        +3
        Edritb pound - somewhere there was a forum member who for good news dumped a stack, I would like to keep him company =))) Hurray
        1. cap
          cap 28 June 2016 13: 30
          0
          Quote: Cormorants
          Edritb pound - somewhere there was a forum member who for good news dumped a stack, I would like to keep him company =))) Hurray


          Purely symbolically support drinks
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    4. Karasik
      Karasik 28 June 2016 12: 06
      +1
      Quote: avvg
      And all the Liberals say that the sanctions are increasing Russia's technological lag behind the West, and "Scientific Research Institute of Steel" proves that we can live without the West.

      Indeed, if there were no sanctions, they should have been introduced by ourselves! Continued research is more than good. Suppose now they are trying to bring domestic armored ceramics and high molecular weight polyethylene to the level of Western samples. But after all, along the way, they can discover something SUCH that in the West they just sit on the fifth point! How many times has this happened in science!
      1. Professor
        Professor 28 June 2016 12: 31
        +2
        Quote: Karasik
        Indeed, if there were no sanctions, they should have been introduced by ourselves!

        Think sometimes what you say. Sanctions have never benefited anywhere. Russia is no exception. While the sanctions are ridiculous then their impact on the economy is limited. But if real sanctions are introduced, then almost all Russian enterprises will stand up. Some due to the lack of cutting tools, and some due to the lack of spare parts for the same machines. At your leisure, look at what spindles are on Russian-made machines. I’m not hinting at Russian or even Chinese.
        Fewer slogans, more logic.

        Quote: Karasik
        Continued research is more than good.

        Research on imported equipment however. And not in Iranian or Venezuelan, but for nothing bourgeois.

        Quote: Karasik
        Suppose now they are trying to bring domestic armored ceramics and high molecular weight polyethylene to the level of Western samples.

        In the German press and in German ovens.

        Quote: Karasik
        But after all, along the way, they can open up something SUCH that in the West they just sit on the fifth point! How many times has this happened in science!

        Red mercury. laughing
        1. teron
          teron 28 June 2016 12: 54
          +6
          I completely agree with you, dear Professor. You need to start with the restoration of machine tools. Creation of own elemental base and engine building. Yes, a lot more.
        2. Mercenary
          Mercenary 28 June 2016 13: 08
          0
          Under the USSR, we lived and became a great country, but in Israel it is easy for you to pose as "independent and overdeveloped" who receive bribes from mattress mats every year, like the Law.
          If it weren’t for them, the Arabs ate you with a quiet glanders. So, shut your mouth !!! am
          1. Professor
            Professor 28 June 2016 13: 40
            +1
            Quote: Mercenary
            If it weren’t for them, the Arabs ate you with a quiet glanders. So, shut your mouth !!!

            My dear, do not be so afraid. You’ll never be so killed. wassat
        3. cap
          cap 28 June 2016 13: 28
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          In the German press and in German ovens.


          Professor unfortunately you are right and well informed.
          And now the classic.
          "Announce the entire list, please ..." (c) all those who broke the production chains that existed at a time when dollars in their pockets were given a term.
          Weak?
          1. Professor
            Professor 28 June 2016 13: 39
            -3
            Quote: cap
            Professor unfortunately you are right and well informed.

            I can show you a photo of these machines. wink

            Quote: cap
            "Announce the entire list, please ..." (c) all those who broke the production chains that existed at a time when dollars in their pockets were given a term.
            Weak?

            It seems to me that no one tore them. The sanctions are toy ones (although every Russian already feels wow on himself). There are no real sanctions even on paper. So they make Mi-28, Poplar and Armata on bourgeois equipment. And those who shout: "More sanctions" let them not forget about it. Also, let him not forget who is the manufacturer of the vast majority of modern equipment and drugs. And also let him check on whose equipment his gasoline is made, and on a domestic computer he voices all his wishes.
            1. Khariton
              Khariton 28 June 2016 14: 10
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Quote: cap
              Professor unfortunately you are right and well informed.

              I can show you a photo of these machines. wink

              Quote: cap
              "Announce the entire list, please ..." (c) all those who broke the production chains that existed at a time when dollars in their pockets were given a term.
              Weak?

              It seems to me that no one tore them. The sanctions are toy ones (although every Russian already feels wow on himself). There are no real sanctions even on paper. So they make Mi-28, Poplar and Armata on bourgeois equipment. And those who shout: "More sanctions" let them not forget about it. Also, let him not forget who is the manufacturer of the vast majority of modern equipment and drugs. And also let him check on whose equipment his gasoline is made, and on a domestic computer he voices all his wishes.

              Read the men of this chela, you see how angry he is and spawns on all branches! Everything is going fine ... hi
              The bottom line is that we ourselves managed! hi We were always scared ...
            2. Makk
              Makk 28 June 2016 17: 26
              0
              Minus professors show their ignorance, but the reasons for this are either inadequacy or lack of interest in this issue.
            3. MMX
              MMX 28 June 2016 20: 54
              +2
              Quote: Professor

              It seems to me that no one has torn them apart. They imposed sanctions on toys (even though every Russian citizen already feels on himself). There are no real sanctions even on paper.


              Learn. We are the main aggressor in the world (according to our "Western friends"): we have seized Crimea, we threaten to seize all of Europe (at least), the United States is afraid of us and is thinking how to protect itself. And they give us machines and equipment for this, so that we would be better armed ...

              Quote: Professor
              ... on a domestic computer, he voices all his wishes.


              In Chinese.
              1. Professor
                Professor 29 June 2016 06: 43
                +2
                Quote: MMX
                Learn. We are the main aggressor in the world (according to our "Western friends"): we have seized Crimea, we threaten to seize all of Europe (at least), the United States is afraid of us and is thinking how to protect itself. And they give us machines and equipment for this, so that we would be better armed ...

                No thanks. We have enough extremes. Our ideal is Switzerland.

                Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                Given that, by a strange whim of fate, Russia functions best in conditions of stress and chaos, the likelihood that any sanctions would have come out with losses, possibly with serious losses, but updated to a new level, is extremely high.


                You are of course sorry, but this is nonsense. Under stress and chaos, as you deigned to say, Russia / USSR has always paid with the lives of its citizens. Whether direct losses or demographic pits. So now, demography is paying the main price. Stress and chaos are bad. Calm and stability is good.

                Quote: sharp-lad
                And one more question: Israel produces everything itself?

                Not. Israel is not engaged in import substitution (we don’t even have such a word) and is not trying to isolate itself, but quite the contrary, to become part of the global economy, taking the best from the world.
                1. MMX
                  MMX 29 June 2016 11: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  Quote: MMX
                  Learn. We are the main aggressor in the world (according to our "Western friends"): we have seized Crimea, we threaten to seize all of Europe (at least), the United States is afraid of us and is thinking how to protect itself. And they give us machines and equipment for this, so that we would be better armed ...

                  No thanks. We have enough extremes. Our ideal is Switzerland.




                  First, make a federation of Israel. Let each administrative district, metropolis or kibbutz have its own constitution, laws and authorities. So everything will be fine - heal like in Switzerland ...
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 29 June 2016 14: 22
                    0
                    Quote: MMX
                    First, make a federation of Israel. Let each administrative district, metropolis or kibbutz have its own constitution, laws and authorities. So everything will be fine - heal like in Switzerland ...

                    In our country, each administrative district, metropolis or kibbutz has its own constitution, laws and authorities, but we do not live in Switzerland ... This is probably not the main thing.
                    1. MMX
                      MMX 29 June 2016 20: 22
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      Quote: MMX
                      First, make a federation of Israel. Let each administrative district, metropolis or kibbutz have its own constitution, laws and authorities. So everything will be fine - heal like in Switzerland ...

                      In our country, each administrative district, metropolis or kibbutz has its own constitution, laws and authorities, but we do not live in Switzerland ... This is probably not the main thing.


                      Certainly not the main thing. The Swiss are flesh from flesh Europeans. Israel will never be like that. The mentality is different. Alas and ah.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 29 June 2016 20: 27
                        0
                        Quote: MMX
                        Certainly not the main thing. The Swiss are flesh from flesh Europeans. Israel will never be like that. The mentality is different. Alas and ah.

                        Yes. Locations let us down. You can’t argue with that.
            4. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 28 June 2016 22: 28
              +1
              In the Union, all scientific and production chains were created and perfected for decades, the restoration of course will happen faster, but it also takes years. About a computer, when there is an opportunity to buy a Russian MOD (data processing machine) with a set of software, I will buy it with pleasure, I really liked Elbrus, back in the Union! hi And one more question: Israel produces everything itself?
      2. Operator
        Operator 28 June 2016 13: 08
        +2
        +100500 am

        Without sanctions, we would not have T-14, T-50, S-35S, S-350, S-400, Caliber, Sarmat, Rubezh and much more - why would we have to arm against the "partners", it is easier in Israel and Italy the ancient drones and armored cars to buy.

        It is pleasant now to look at the former "partners" who whine and try to pass off their slop handicrafts such as the combat Penguin or the Merkava self-propelled gun for a brilliant, unparalleled work of engineering.

        Moreover, the joke is that Russia did not isolate as a result of Western sanctions - China is supplying the necessary complement to our technologies, while Europe is quietly making a gesheft (in smaller volumes, but we don’t need it anymore). For example, Austria supplied the world's only machines for winding and impregnating large-sized carbon fiber structures, including wings of planes - Boeing and Airbus do not have such now, not to mention the rest of the aviation rifle.

        Against this background, the Israelis with their microscopic defense industry, fully sponsored from abroad and focused on the production of small-finely partial products, look like flies that are trying to swell to the size of a sparrow.
  2. -СтрР° РЅРЅРёРє-
    +9
    Stalin is clearly not enough! am (Since 80's at least) hi
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 28 June 2016 22: 34
      +1
      It is a pity that Andropov was too late at the helm of the state.
  3. hirurg
    hirurg 28 June 2016 11: 40
    +3
    Ay sanctions are good.
  4. nik-karata
    nik-karata 28 June 2016 11: 41
    +2
    I am glad that there is cool armor! I would like the armor to be not at the level better than the western samples, but an order of magnitude better than the best western samples !!! fellow
  5. PROSTEEL
    PROSTEEL 28 June 2016 11: 41
    0
    The armor is strong and our tanks ... good
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 June 2016 11: 41
    +2
    fully meet the needs of the military in ceramic armor

    What can I say? You can only congratulate.
  7. mpzss
    mpzss 28 June 2016 11: 42
    +3
    oh, the old Minister of Defense Stalin is not enough!
    That would immediately suit him such a "vector of development" ...
  8. dsm100
    dsm100 28 June 2016 11: 42
    +6
    It's nice to hear that research institutes are working. and then in the dashing nineties, almost all research institutes dismissed and rented out the area. Well done that saved and increased operating time.
  9. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 28 June 2016 12: 48
    +1
    It is wonderful that our scientists, designers closed the problematic issues with bulletproof armor. The guys did not work for the order without state loans. But white creatures with different liberal nonsense dishonor Russia
  10. Taygerus
    Taygerus 28 June 2016 12: 55
    +1
    the main thing is your own, and your mail is closer to your body and the main thing is to develop your machine tool industry, a comrade from Israel spoke correctly, all the machines are bourgeois, but domestic ones are needed.
    Developers well done in a short time established production hi
  11. Khariton
    Khariton 28 June 2016 14: 16
    -1
    The professors minusled, his arrogant writing (or barking ..) could not stand it! It's up to you! Very arrogant forum member ... (I do not want to communicate with him and he is with me)))))
  12. Winnie76
    Winnie76 28 June 2016 15: 16
    +1
    Quote: Chariton
    The professors minusled, his arrogant writing (or barking ..) could not stand it! It's up to you! Very arrogant forum member ...

    C'mon, he’s darling laughing Ordinary human complexes, what can you do. Well, we have non-kosher machines on which new tanks, planes, etc. are done. And we came to the second place in the export of weapons by accident, by oversight. The same India with China (here go .ot) for some reason they are buying T-90, Su-30, Su-35, S-400. Nobody needs such a wonderful Merkava. But nothing is heard about the Israeli aircraft industry. Some models seem to rivet ...
  13. KVIRTU
    KVIRTU 28 June 2016 16: 10
    +2

    A short video about those. process, imported, true.
    And in general: "In general, the technology for the manufacture of ceramic elements is identical to the technology for the production of ceramic parts for household use (insulators, tubes, pads, tiles) and can be mastered both at a ceramics factory without the use of special equipment, and at any areas with using appropriate equipment (mills, mixers, presses, ovens, etc.).
    The basis for the production of ceramic armor are:
    Silicon carbide (specific weight of the material is 3,7-4,0 kg / dm3).
    Aluminum oxide (specific weight of the material - 2,8-3,2 kg / dm3).
    The steps for making ceramic armor are the same as for ceramic tile production.
  14. Bogdarin
    Bogdarin 28 June 2016 16: 12
    +5
    Dear forum users. I, too, as a patriot of our Motherland, do not always (and to be honest, always) do not like the Professor's statements. But, working with all enterprises of our city - in the field of telecom (any modern means of production - a machine tool, a machine, a line - is already a "network, cloud" device). So, I'll tell you, since 2005 I have never heard of the introduction of anything domestic. Let's take the largest military-industrial complex in our region - Aviation Plant. CNC machines are German. Digital design systems - American, network equipment - Cisco, automatic telephone exchange - Alcatel. ALL THIS CAN BE ONE-IMMEDIATELY "OKIRPICHENO" from behind the hillock !!!!! And that's all, the enterprise stopped. Moreover, if “THERE” someone wants to inflict damage on Russia - It will be awesome damage. All mobile communications, all high-tech production, all data transmission highways are going bad. Only everything Military will work, because it is Ours. And, again, in spite of the sanctions - all of the above works, is maintained, updated, licensed ... so the Professor is right in this, there are no real sanctions yet, there is a political undercover fuss.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 28 June 2016 20: 29
      +2
      Precisely for this, sanctions are needed. So that our people finally understood that laziness and stealing is no longer possible at all, we stopped fooling around and got down to business - they began to develop and manufacture domestic communications, computer equipment, software, etc. etc. If we are doing for the military, then we can make a civilian version. Just buying is easier and cheaper - and here is the result. We are sitting on the western consumer needle, and such dependence will not bring to good. And there will be sanctions, we will break out, but we will. The Chinese are doing, and we will do ..
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 28 June 2016 22: 46
        +1
        The funny thing is that you have all the necessary things in Russia for a long time !!! belay In addition to the actual production. recourse
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  15. Bogdarin
    Bogdarin 28 June 2016 18: 04
    0
    Quote: cap
    Quote: Bogdarin
    What are we talking about. This is all complicated. Sanctions - and we give them engines, a titanium kit for airplanes, and they give us digital equipment, support for all previously introduced equipment ...... this can be endlessly listed. And when I try to comprehend the logic of what is happening - I just do not see it. And reading this forum for more than 5 years, I dare to assume that no one sees the meaning of what is happening, like logic.


    There is only one logic: topple Putin and start production of Pepsi and Coca Cola on Baikal water.
    It is strange that you do not know about this.

    Oh, Kep, if everything was so Obvious))). Have you seen the "Cloud Atlas" movie? So, the real essence of things is inconceivably more confusing. The ways are inscrutable ...
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