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Ankara has declared its readiness to pay Russia compensation for the downed Su-24

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There continues to come information concerning the fact that the President of Turkey seriously decided to improve relations with Moscow. Whether Turkish owners of empty hotels and ruined construction companies affected Erdogan, or someone else, a question ... However, it became known that official Ankara expressed its readiness to pay Russia compensation for the Su-24 Russian Aerospace Forces bomber shot down last fall.


Replacing the Turkish prime minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, who said that he was the one who gave personal orders to shoot down Su-24, Binali Yildirim said the following (quote from the TV channel TRT):

The content of the letter (to the Kremlin) is unequivocal. We expressed our regret and, if necessary, pay compensation (for the downed Su-24). Our countries want normalization of relations. I think things are getting better.


Ankara has declared its readiness to pay Russia compensation for the downed Su-24


Taking into account the fact how actively Ankara decided to get down to business, Mr. Erdogan, who found himself without partnership relations with Russia before the disintegrating European Union, wanted first of all to normalize relations.

Recall that the day before it became known that criminal proceedings were resumed in relation to Alparslan Celik - the commander of the gang, who stated to the camera that he had given the order to shoot Russian pilot Oleg Peshkov, who was parachuting.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 28 June 2016 06: 21
    +21
    Better let them shove them in their ..... It's not about the money, we will find ours.
    APPLICATIONS specific to the people. "WAS WRONG, GUILTY, SORRY!"
    1. The black
      The black 28 June 2016 06: 27
      +60
      Apologies, this is good, but I'm just curious, but will confidence remain at what level, before the downed plane or after?
      But what about the fact that the Turks are arming the Crimean Tatars and inviting Poros. Ay-ah-ah and not ashamed Perdogan and Poros deal with. Muslim after all. laughing
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 28 June 2016 06: 41
        +18
        Quote: Black
        and trust will remain at what level, before the downed plane or after

        I beg you, what kind of trust in politics, especially international. request
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 28 June 2016 06: 45
          +15
          The only way!
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 28 June 2016 07: 57
            +26
            Full sensations

            Iceland beats England, Edorgan apologizes to Russia, seized kilograms of jewelry and real estate documents at Vnesheconombank, Brexit, again.

            Wake up in the morning and think
            -what else happened while sleeping?

            It's time to bet on events, today, for example, the EU summit will ....


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        2. NikolaiN
          NikolaiN 28 June 2016 07: 37
          +9
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Quote: Black
          and trust will remain at what level, before the downed plane or after

          I beg you, what kind of trust in politics, especially international. request


          Yes, here you have to act according to popular wisdom: "Whoever remembers the old - he will have an eye out, and who will FORGET - both are down with him"
          1. avt
            avt 28 June 2016 08: 20
            +11
            Quote: NikolaiN
            Yes, here you have to act according to popular wisdom: "Whoever remembers the old - he will have an eye out, and who will FORGET - both are down with him"

            Well, the Turks in such a case - If you can’t cut off your hand - kiss her.
        3. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 28 June 2016 08: 28
          +13
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Quote: Black
          and trust will remain at what level, before the downed plane or after

          I beg you, what kind of trust in politics, especially international. request

          Well, finally, at least someone formulated. + To you. And then they put everything on their knees ... And no one wants to think that relations need to be established anyway. This, by the way, is a guarantee of calm in the Black Sea region, and all sane neighbors, I think we are happy about. But the fact that Erdogan caved in, of course, not sincerely, of course, his conscience did not torture him, and there are no such concepts in politics ...
          "A bad world, better than a good quarrel," and that says it all. Only the ukrodikars were upset, they are now against Russia to be friends, there is no one, but they, the savages, are. laughing
          But ours will promote it for further concessions (NATO flotilla, a mess on the Syrian-Turkish border, etc.), or not - depends on our strategists. I hope everyone uses it correctly and to the maximum.
          1. Temples
            Temples 28 June 2016 09: 09
            0
            Only ukrodikari were upset


            I think the owners of our Black Sea "hotels" were also upset.

            For there is a chance that the Kremlin will allow the country's residents to rest in Turkey again.
            1. Altona
              Altona 28 June 2016 09: 57
              +5
              Quote: Temples
              I think the owners of our Black Sea "hotels" were also upset.

              ------------------------
              Well, good, prices will not bully, competition again. As for Erdogan, he is doing this normally. I recently established relations with Israel, met with Netanyahu. So Erdogan is successfully patching up his "isolation" because there is a civil war going on in the country, he does not need external negative influences yet. The people are becoming impoverished before our eyes because, and this is dangerous.
            2. gladcu2
              gladcu2 28 June 2016 20: 36
              0
              Temples and Co.

              Does anyone have a normal explanation why Erdogan apologized?
        4. gamer
          gamer 28 June 2016 09: 48
          0
          So I think: will Erdogashka catch up with the "last carriage" or someone will deliberately slow down and the passengers will not be asked again?
      2. Karasik
        Karasik 28 June 2016 06: 53
        +4
        Quote: Black
        Apologies, this is good, but I'm just curious, but will confidence remain at what level, before the downed plane or after?
        But what about the fact that the Turks are arming the Crimean Tatars and inviting Poros.

        Oh, how difficult it will be for Turkey to gain trust. I wrote to Turkey especially, because Erdogan and his henchmen will never succeed in this! The probability is "Zero"! In addition, it is unlikely that the "Erdopogans" will refuse to "incite the Pig".
      3. Bort radist
        Bort radist 28 June 2016 07: 49
        +6
        Quote: Black
        that the Turks are arming the Crimean Tatars and inviting Poros.

        Karabakh - also could not do without the Turks.
        1. Khariton
          Khariton 28 June 2016 11: 22
          +1
          Quote: Bort Radist
          Quote: Black
          that the Turks are arming the Crimean Tatars and inviting Poros.

          Karabakh - also could not do without the Turks.

          What is Karabakh ... The Caucasus fought with the help of Turkey (they openly supported the militants) Answer the Ottomans for everything ..!
      4. dmitrich
        dmitrich 28 June 2016 08: 25
        +1
        yes you are right apology is one thing, but there will be no trust!
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 28 June 2016 09: 39
          +5
          Quote: Dmitry
          yes you are right apology is one thing, but there will be no trust!

          Here, one moment was missed in all of this ... when our 24th was shot down, the Turks in three throats squealed that our pilot was guilty, having flown into Turkey. Now, all these apologies and the willingness to pay damage to the Russian side can and should be regarded as an official recognition of his treachery and meanness.
          As for the money, I think that 100 thousand Peshkov’s family, as well as the cost of a downed bomber, is not enough.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 28 June 2016 10: 48
            +5
            I think that 100 thousand to the Peshkov family, as well as the cost of a downed bomber, is not enough.
            This is a type of alms. And completely beyond the bounds of a real attempt at reconciliation. Especially against the background of all those deeds and words that until recently were put on display. Yes, and now they are not particularly hiding:
            - illegal oil traffic
            - support for terrorists
            - direct intervention in the border zone of Syria
            - destructive activity towards the Crimea and the Caucasus
            - support for the Ukrainian putschists.
            In theory, as the radical advances in these issues demonstrate, then it’s worth it, no, not to make peace, but only to consider the very possibility of reconciliation.
          2. reservist
            reservist 28 June 2016 10: 51
            +3
            and a crashed helicopter with a search group and the dead marine Pozynich?
      5. RUSS
        RUSS 28 June 2016 09: 40
        +1
        Quote: Black
        . Ay-ah-ah and not ashamed Perdogan with Pig

        By the way, there are no cries from Ukraine that Erdogan is an agent of the Kremlin laughing
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      7. volot-voin
        volot-voin 28 June 2016 09: 41
        +2
        Quote: Black
        Apologies, this is good, but I'm just curious, but will confidence remain at what level, before the downed plane or after?
        But what about the fact that the Turks are arming the Crimean Tatars and inviting

        Erdogan on his knees is certainly nice but sediment will remain anyway. Both Russia and Turkey, of course, need Turkish flow and NPP contracts, but unfortunately the relationship will never be the same. It is hard to imagine how stupid a step is how to bring down our plane.
      8. DHA
        DHA 28 June 2016 12: 47
        0
        Quote: Black
        Apologies, this is good, but I'm just curious, but will confidence remain at what level, before the downed plane or after?
        But what about the fact that the Turks are arming the Crimean Tatars and inviting Poros

        The financial issue is of course important, but military and political dividends must be fully squeezed out of this situation ...
      9. g1v2
        g1v2 28 June 2016 13: 41
        0
        Money is not the main thing. The main thing is that Erdogan has broken himself and fulfilled the requirements, naturally trying to mitigate the damage to his reputation. The technical requirements have been met - there are apologies, compensation is promised, Davydoglu, who said that it was he who gave the order - was dismissed. Small things do not count - it is of no interest to anyone. Performers accidentally die and so on. Now the question is only in our reaction - whether it is in our interests to put up with the Turks or not. If so, then an apology will be accepted and negotiations will begin at the top. If not, it will be announced that the apologies are not the ones, the compensation is small, etc. In the near future we will see.
    2. Motherland Russia
      Motherland Russia 28 June 2016 06: 29
      +40
      Right...
      His statements are not from a good heart, but from hopelessness.
      And it is better to develop our Crimea than to bring money to Turkey.
      1. Yak28
        Yak28 28 June 2016 06: 44
        -1
        Wealthy people who like to travel abroad several times a year do not need Crimea and other regions of Russia. If they are licked from head to toe in Turkey for money, they will go there, and even let the Turks bring down another dozen of these aircraft people will fly to Turkey anyway.
        Now there are no patriots, well, of course, there’s a little bit for show wink
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 28 June 2016 07: 15
          +25
          Quote: Yak28
          If they are licked from head to toe in Turkey for money

          So we have to do such a service in the south, and not be limited to statements about the need to develop Russian tourism. And prices do not bully. And you need to do this at the state level. And then rest in Sochi at the level of Turkish 4 * costs 2-3 times more expensive than in Turkey. This is the main reason why people prefer to go to Turkey. hi
        2. nadezhiva
          nadezhiva 28 June 2016 08: 29
          +4
          Quote: Yak28
          Wealthy people who like to travel abroad several times a year do not need Crimea and other regions of Russia in FIG:
          This category of citizens does not go to Turkey. But for the layman, Turkey was a real option, significantly superior both in terms of accessibility and service to our coast.
          1. ultra
            ultra 28 June 2016 08: 45
            0
            Quote: nadezhiva
            by availability, and by service our coast.

            For many, "all Turkish service" is free alcohol until 23 pm. Here you can come off. laughing
            1. nadezhiva
              nadezhiva 28 June 2016 09: 32
              +3
              Quote: ultra
              For many, "all Turkish service" is free alcohol until 23 pm. Here you can come off. laughing

              I have 2 children, without whom we never fly to the sea. And for me, Turkey was the best option in terms of the ratio of children's rest / price / quality. Don't exaggerate. Complimentary local alcohol is included in the All Inclusive Program of Any Country.
              The husband always treats local drinks with a fair amount of skepticism.
        3. volot-voin
          volot-voin 28 June 2016 09: 49
          +1
          Quote: Yak28
          Now there are no patriots, well, of course, there’s a little bit for show

          Well, I would not say ..... I am familiar with a large number of patriots, among whom there are many personal friends who support the Motherland with all their hearts. Well, the "consumer society" will certainly go, there is a sevis ..., but to be honest, there are many historical monuments that are interesting to see.
          Of course, it is necessary to raise the level of resort services in the Russian Federation, the same Crimea, Krasnodar Territory, in the Far East there are many wonderful places practically undeveloped from a tourist point of view (you can fly to Turkey 10 times, for the money that you spend on vacation there).
        4. gamer
          gamer 28 June 2016 09: 50
          +1
          I can afford it, but fundamentally I don't go to Turechina anymore! Greetings from "tick"!
        5. 97110
          97110 28 June 2016 10: 18
          +1
          Quote: Yak28
          Wealthy people who like to travel abroad several times a year

          and Turks do not need nafig. These are not their problems. The problem of recreation for low-income people. Why should they go to Turkey and not to our Black Sea coast? Remember in the late 80s, early 90s, the first Turkish trucks drove across Russia. Rusty horror with bells. How many years have passed - before you have time to blink, you cannot catch up with the column of Turkish Mercedes on the rise. They wanted to do the same. For our grandmothers they rebuilt all this splendor. Only with them. And Sochi was not made for people - for show-off. Like "Energy" with "Buran" launched. My son invited me to Adler last year. He lived with his youngest son, the leave of the municipal employee was already enough for 3 days.
        6. Motherland Russia
          Motherland Russia 28 June 2016 18: 04
          +1
          In addition to craving for service, you still have to think with your head ...
          An example is Europe, in which the thirst for service turns.
          Soon the "horns and legs" will remain.

          And if on the topic, then sometimes in the tent rest for the benefit ...
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 28 June 2016 06: 55
        +12
        Quote: Motherland Russia
        it’s better to develop our Crimea than to bring money to Turkey.

        This you tell the tourists.
        I have seen enough of the Turks in their "natural" environment, i.e. not at resorts, but at construction sites. Like gypsies, they pull everything that is bad, they work, by the way, not bad, but for the money they want, you can hire three Russians or five conventional Tajiks (Moldovans, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz - it doesn't matter). And with the same quality, but there will be less mess.
        They took everything they could home, right down to the light bulbs honestly hidden during work, and they thumped quite un-Muslimly.
      3. Kent0001
        Kent0001 28 June 2016 09: 38
        +1
        So after all, the Turks built this resort business on our money.
    3. Letun
      Letun 28 June 2016 06: 51
      +11
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      APPLICATIONS specific to the people. "WAS WRONG, GUILTY, SORRY!"

      He apologized, and by the way, about the way you wrote.
      To be honest, I am amazed at the work of our diplomats, it is a pity the ministers for economic affairs are not as competent as the employees of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
      1. NikolaiN
        NikolaiN 28 June 2016 07: 41
        +7
        Quote: Letun
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        APPLICATIONS specific to the people. "WAS WRONG, GUILTY, SORRY!"

        He apologized, and by the way, about the way you wrote.
        To be honest, I am amazed at the work of our diplomats, it is a pity the ministers for economic affairs are not as competent as the employees of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

        Yes, he apologized, but in a personal letter to Putin, through diplomatic channels. But he could have appeared in the media or published his message ...
      2. syndicalist
        syndicalist 28 June 2016 09: 03
        0
        Putin needs normalization of relations no less than Erdogan. With their categoricalness, both leaders drove the situation to an almost dead end. And now, it seems, begins to dissolve. Erdogan's: "I'm sorry," the Russian media are strenuously spreading it as a full-fledged apology, not paying attention to the protests of Erdogan's assistant about the "inaccurate translation." Basically, all this was expected.
    4. Alex_59
      Alex_59 28 June 2016 07: 09
      +18
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Better let them shove them in their .....

      And I would not be so categorical. A bad world is always better than a good quarrel. You have to be honest - we said apologize and pay. If Turkey apologizes and pays, the question should be closed. We can’t add new conditions to the Turks now, they say they apologized, they paid, and now stand still on your knees - this is rudeness not worthy of a Russian person. It was necessary then to say right away, in advance - apologies, money and on your knees!

      And then, you have to be very careful with these Turks, they are cunning guys. The sediment still remained, and the saddest thing is that the pilot cannot be returned, even apologize three hundred times.
      1. berezin1987
        berezin1987 28 June 2016 07: 51
        +11
        Why do we need good relations with the Turks now? What is our interest? Erdogan began to apologize immediately after Britain left the EU, and before that it was like a fish on ice. What prevented him from apologizing right after the su-24 incident? They just threw Turkey with accession to the EU, it suffered significant losses due to the severance of contracts with Russia. The train left. If I were Putin, I would increase pressure on Turkey by refusing to accept an apology. What can Turks give Russia valuable other than selling tomatoes and buying gas? Nothing more. Relations can improve only after the change of leadership of Turkey and not before.
        1. AID.S
          AID.S 28 June 2016 08: 32
          +7
          Apologies can also be formally accepted. But they, without a clear and honest explanation by the Turks of the reasons for the decision to bring down the plane, will not return relations to the previous level. The question remains - why did the dog bite the feeding hand and when can it happen again?
        2. nadezhiva
          nadezhiva 28 June 2016 08: 36
          0
          Quote: berezin1987
          Why do we need good relations with the Turks now? What is our interest?

          Ukraine, the border with Syria and the Turkish stream. The Turks stop kissing with Poroshenko, close the border (they have already removed the main cream there, + the EU is unlikely to be able to continue to sponsor the refugee camps in due amounts) and they are not fooling with the pipeline. In return receive
          tourist flow, entry into the Russian market, transit through its territory and participation of the Russian Federation in negotiations with the Kurds. Our Foreign Ministry to plow and plow.
          1. 97110
            97110 28 June 2016 10: 28
            +3
            Quote: nadezhiva
            In return receive
            tourist flow, entry to the Russian market, transit through its territory

            And why do we need all this? Behind
            Quote: nadezhiva
            Ukraine, the border with Syria and the Turkish stream.
            Why do we need this? Ukraine with Turkey, without Turkey, is equally falling. Syria with Turkey, without Turkey rests on Uncle Sam. Turkish stream to where? There he is not expected yet. As the southern Europeans mature, invest in money, it will be possible to return to the topic. Nord Stream 2 and South Stream allow you to talk with the Turks and without gingerbread, such as entering our market. You can always refer to the busyness of "Power of Siberia" - like there is no time. While.
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 28 June 2016 08: 06
        +3
        You are absolutely right: a bad world is always better than a good fight. If the sultan realized (what made him?) We will pretend that the relationship is normal. I'm sure BB isn't naive enough to forget. It reminded me of the situation with the death of Griboyedov: Emperor Nicholas the Unforgettable, accepted compensation and apologies, but did not hold much confidence in the Persians - he knew that "the east is a delicate matter"
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 28 June 2016 08: 36
        +9
        Quote: Alex_59
        If Turkey apologizes and pays, the question should be closed

        Has anyone heard or seen an apology ?! Is the Russian people not worthy to hear these apologies ?!

        Well, well, we all unconditionally believe in Peskov! But, after all, someone may not believe! The whole world saw how the Russian Su-24 was shot down, but no one saw Erdogan apologize! If tomorrow the wind blows in the opposite direction and Erdogan again changes position? If he says, has this ever happened? We only have the words of Peskov and the bright faith that of course there were apologies!
        Personally, I don’t need an apology from a villain hunted down by circumstances! After all, circumstances can always change ...
      4. ultra
        ultra 28 June 2016 08: 48
        0
        Quote: Alex_59
        . We are not allowed to add new conditions now

        I agree with you, but relations need to be restored gradually, 5-7 years, and even better 10-15.PS Naturally after giving us Chelik.
      5. weksha50
        weksha50 28 June 2016 10: 32
        0
        Quote: Alex_59
        The sediment still remained ...


        Hmm ... "Sediment" in our relationship lasting more than one century ...

        However ... the Turks are not united among the eternal enemies of Russia ... So a bad peace is better than a "good" all-destroying war ...
    5. free
      free 28 June 2016 07: 21
      +4
      a man in a Russian prison, compensation to relatives!
      1. berezin1987
        berezin1987 28 June 2016 07: 53
        +2
        Let them leave this scum for themselves, our special services should deal with it. And let him shove the compensation in his ass. They beat the Turk and we will continue to beat
    6. Berkut24
      Berkut24 28 June 2016 09: 24
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Better let them shove them in their ..... It's not about the money, we will find ours.
      APPLICATIONS specific to the people. "WAS WRONG, GUILTY, SORRY!"

      Here you are wrong. You have to pay for everything. Because:
      1) So the guilty one is better remembered. Although there are rake lovers and owners of a very short memory.
      2) Because technology really costs money and it is our money. And for this money, the Ministry of Defense will be able to buy a new plane.
      3) Payment of the aircraft in fact is the official recognition by the Turks of their wrongfulness. Because they do this not by decision of a court, but on their own.
      4) And in general - others must also understand that it is impossible to do this with Russia. It will come out either expensive or very expensive.
    7. 97110
      97110 28 June 2016 10: 02
      +2
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      APPLICATIONS specific to the people. "WAS WRONG, GUILTY, SORRY!"
      We must, we must apologize. But, there are resorts in Russia, and Turkish tomatoes have nothing to do in Russia. And Turkish shipbuilding, built, among other things, under Soviet orders (for example, the Sedef shipyard in Tuzla built ice-class timber carriers), let him look for orders somewhere not with us. It would be a sin to miss such a reason to occupy your own market. Damn, where you can't go, China or Turkey. It is necessary to ditch our enterprises to bring sockets and switches from Turkey. If we again let the Turks into our market, we will rip apart our entrepreneurs ... Maxim will be offended, by God. He started such a mock to support Russian small and medium-sized businessmen, at the risk of their lives. How many presidents they have banged at all for nothing, but for this they must certainly be lynched, when they figure out why all the sanctions were started, the Maidan in Ukraine was kindled - only to strengthen Putin's power. What fool Zhenechka Ssaki sculpted with talent - and all in vain? We have no right to profuse a gift from a broad Maksimk's shoulder. So it is necessary to explain to Erdogan during the negotiations - under pressure, they say, it is impossible to eat your tomatoes, diathesis is possible.
  2. The black
    The black 28 June 2016 06: 22
    +11
    What, Perdogan, was tired of chewing his own tomatoes? Wimp. laughing Forgiveness needs to BE SERVED !, and not squeeze through teeth.
  3. Khariton
    Khariton 28 June 2016 06: 22
    +32
    I do not believe Erdogan .... These are crocodile tears.
    1. just exp
      just exp 28 June 2016 07: 25
      +4
      Yes, no one believes, but to twirl it with a benefit for themselves, too, is necessary.
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 28 June 2016 08: 35
        0
        Quote: just EXPL
        Yes, no one believes, but to twirl it with a benefit for themselves, too, is necessary.

        This situation needs to be promoted to its fullest ..! For a long time he thought too much, to see it pressed specifically .. (although I think the United States and Israel could not be done here) We are too trusting and love to "forgive". In this situation, you need to be extremely careful and suspicious! Bravo Putin ..! hi
  4. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 28 June 2016 06: 22
    +6
    You can’t refuse money. And you must give out the culprits.
    1. rabbi's pais
      rabbi's pais 28 June 2016 06: 43
      +4
      Quote: dmi.pris
      And the culprits must be issued.

      Where will we stay? I have five pensions come to mind.
      1.Vologda nickel
      2.Black dolphin
      3 the white swan
      4.polar owl
      5. Black Golden Eagle
      1. Banishing liberoids
        Banishing liberoids 28 June 2016 07: 27
        +3
        The rabbi’s paisas are in an open field on an aspen, a place for this wretched dog.
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 28 June 2016 10: 42
        +1
        Quote: the rabbi's sideboards
        Where will we lodge?



        In some sort of radioactive waste storage ...
  5. avvg
    avvg 28 June 2016 06: 22
    +7
    The Turkish Sultan had long had to forget about pride when a civil war is going on in Turkey, the economy is collapsing, in addition, the EU is collapsing, and the SCO is gaining strength, it has nowhere to go.
  6. Teberii
    Teberii 28 June 2016 06: 23
    +3
    Ankara announced its readiness to pay compensation, and then will claim damages from our sanctions.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 28 June 2016 10: 45
      0
      Quote: Teberii
      Ankara declared its readiness to pay compensation,and then claim damages from our sanctions.


      Yeah ... You still tell me - and the damage from the losses incurred from the oil caravans of the Erdogan business destroyed in Syria ...
  7. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 28 June 2016 06: 23
    +2
    It hurt for a long time Erdogan was looking for an option to be sincere. And why do we need such a friend with such an attitude.
    “Do not exact” - do not be offended. That is, my position is true, firm, although you do not like it.
    And is Peskov giving an apology? It's time to demand Peskov’s blood,
  8. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 28 June 2016 06: 24
    +16
    The victory of the SAR army is inevitable. Erdogan understood what a deep pit he was now in, plus most likely he was under great pressure from the Turkish elite. He himself would hardly have decided to take such a step.
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 28 June 2016 06: 34
      +3
      That's for sure, nothing personal alone calculations.
  9. Bramb
    Bramb 28 June 2016 06: 30
    +5
    There are no words!
    Honestly: I was sure that Erdogan would not apologize and pay compensation (to hand over the guilty pilot - he could and can). It can be seen that it’s so hot that it’s not up to politics anymore, your ass is on fire. Erdogan broke.
    1. berezin1987
      berezin1987 28 June 2016 07: 57
      +3
      And where does the pilot f-16. He simply complied with the order of the command, and perhaps of Erdogan himself. Peshkov was killed by militants with fire from the ground. So they need to be dealt with closely.
  10. V.ic
    V.ic 28 June 2016 06: 31
    +4
    I thought for seven months! "Late ignition" at Perdugan. He does not know the Russian proverb: "dear egg for Christ's day."
  11. sl22277
    sl22277 28 June 2016 06: 31
    +6
    Looks like it’s really bad, since I took this step. I don’t want to believe that it is sincere. But is it possible to somehow compensate for the death of loved ones? It is necessary for the Turks to remember their meanness for a long time.
  12. samarin1969
    samarin1969 28 June 2016 06: 33
    +4
    Judging by the instant reaction of Mr. Peskov, "Erdogan's apologies" were agreed in advance ... It remains to see the media picture of lovers of "patriotic" Turkish tanning. am
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 28 June 2016 07: 34
      0
      Russia is waiting for "concrete steps"
      To normalize relations with Ankara, Moscow is not enough one letter from the Turkish authorities, said Fedor Lukyanov in an interview with DW. He reminded that the Kremlin has repeatedly said that they expect from the Turkish side a formal apology, as well as compensation for the downed plane and the family of the deceased pilot.
      Moscow knows about Ankara's desire to resume relations, Putin said during a visit to Greece in late May, adding that Russia would also like this. But "besides desires, something else needs to be done for this," the Russian leader stressed. According to Putin, Moscow expects from Turkey "some concrete steps."
      On Wednesday, his press secretary, Peskov, reminded again that "without the implementation of the necessary actions by Ankara for the Russian side, any normalization of relations is not possible."
      Russia appreciates the time when relations with Turkey, especially in the trade and economic sphere, were partnership, quotes the Interfax official, and regrets that “overnight such a rich experience of our relations was destroyed by the aggressive actions of the Turkish side.” Apologies without prejudice to the image
      Judging by this statement, Russia is ready to discuss the resumption of relations, Fyodor Lukyanov believes. "But I don't think we can do without an apology and a public admission of mistakes on the part of Turkey," the head of the CFDP said. Both sides insisted on an apology in this conflict, Hasan Ali Karasar recalls. Immediately after the incident with the downed Russian Su-24, Erdogan stated that "if there is a party that should apologize, it is not us."
      Demanding an apology from Ankara, Russia must take into account that Turkey can make concessions only to a certain extent, taking into account the domestic political situation in the country and the image of the Turkish authorities, Lukyanov argues.
      "If both sides want to get out of the conflict, you need to understand how to make sure that an apology is made and the face is not lost, because Erdogan cannot afford the latter," the expert sums up. However, this will most likely become the subject of separate informal consultations between the parties, he adds: "It is not yet clear whether they are coming. I think not yet."
      1. activator
        activator 28 June 2016 09: 10
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        Quote: sgazeev
        "If both sides want to get out of the conflict, you need to understand how to make sure that an apology is made and the face is not lost, because Erdogan cannot afford the latter," the expert sums up. However, this is most likely

        How to write a letter in a cartoon, but not send it. laughing
  13. aleks700
    aleks700 28 June 2016 06: 37
    +3
    Not expected. So the tomato pickers pressed? Compensation is certainly cheaper than the loss of billions due to the lack of tourists.
  14. Yak28
    Yak28 28 June 2016 06: 37
    +7
    Turkey would leave NATO, this would be an act that would lead a chain reaction. And the rest is babble in order to achieve personal gain. wink
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 28 June 2016 07: 44
      +4
      Quote: Yak28
      Turkey would leave NATO, this would be an act that would lead a chain reaction. And the rest is babble in order to achieve personal gain. wink

      Revise the agreements on the flow and atomic energy. And then Kinder-surprise was happy about the good deal for building a nuclear power plant for our money. Let Miller also scratch turnips. We need money ourselves. The Turks have been enemies for centuries, there were peace treaties, after a while everything returned to normal .Do not believe them
      At a disco in Germany, a Russian in a T-shirt with the inscription: "The Turks have three problems." A Turk immediately approaches him and asks:
      - What are you doing? Looking for problems? Do you want to run over?
      - This is your first problem. Aggressiveness. You are always trying to create problems from scratch.
      When the disco ends, a group of Turks is already waiting for the Russian.
      “Now you will answer for your words,” they say.
      - This is your second problem. You cannot solve your problems yourself and immediately collect yours for any reason.
      - But how dare you talk to us like that!?! - Turks snatched up knives ...
      “This is your third problem,” the Russian continues. - You always come to a shootout with knives.

      *****
  15. svu93
    svu93 28 June 2016 06: 41
    +4
    No. I’ll rest in Crimea anyway !!!
    Sellers of oriental (previously called Turkish) sweets in shopping centers, as before, I will ask the same question for the offer to buy: "And what are we going to do with the fighter?" The desire to sell me something disappears immediately!
    1. sisa29
      sisa29 28 June 2016 09: 12
      -3
      Well, ask the seller in the supermarket a question: "What are we going to do with Donbas?" and when the seller girl, in confusion, throws up her hands, you proudly walk by and do not buy Roshen sweets.
      1. svu93
        svu93 28 June 2016 13: 30
        0
        I ask questions to the Turks who still trade with us. What is the connection between our sales girls and Turkish citizens?
      2. svu93
        svu93 28 June 2016 13: 30
        0
        I ask questions to the Turks who still trade with us. What is the connection between our sales girls and Turkish citizens?
  16. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 June 2016 06: 44
    +4
    Got up courage, stepped over my ambitions. But only, in my opinion, there will be no previous relations with Turkey. It is impossible to trust the leader of the country, who for the sake of momentary "glory" went to provocation and murder.
  17. Nmpanfil
    Nmpanfil 28 June 2016 06: 48
    +3
    Human life and money? Terrible, this exchange is the top of insanity ... But to attract those who gave the order to stab in the back, and this is like no one Celik, it is necessary to demand, and this is most likely Erdogan himself at the instigation of Amers. If he apologizes, let him hand over the whole to the riffraff, who, what goals pursued, etc. And we'll see ..
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 28 June 2016 07: 58
      0
      It was not without mattress covers.
      Incirlik Air Base is the largest nuclear weapons storage facility in Europe with 25 underground storage facilities. Each vault can hold up to four bombs, with a maximum full primary capacity holding up to 100 bombs.
      The base is unique among NATO's nuclear forces, it is the only base in Europe with nuclear weapons that does not have its own permanent fighter-bombers. Even though the Turkish government recently (2015) allowed the U.S. Air Force to use it for air flights from Incirlik against targets in Syria, the Turks rejected American requests for a permanent base of air connections at the base. There is also no permanent squadron of aircraft carrying nuclear bombs stored in Incirlik; during the war, the plane will have to fly here from other air bases to take and deliver ammunition to the targets.
      Stationed Parts:
      Turkish Air Force: 10th air wing (Ana Jet Üs or AJÜ) and 2nd Air Force command (Hava Kuvvet Komutanlığı).
      US Air Force: 39th air wing (supply), personnel - about 5 thousand.
      Since 1994, the Turkish Air Force has been using Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker tanker aircraft as part of the 101st squadron stationed here.
      Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Base_Injirlik
      Nearby cities: Adana, Pozanty, Mersin
      Координаты: 37°0'20"N 35°25'28"E
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      ANKARA, October 22. / Corr. ITAR-TASS Kirill Zharov /. In Turkey, there are about 70 B-61 nuclear bombs (Latin letter), located at the Turkish-American Incirlik airbase in the southern province of Adana. According to the KhaberTurk agency, despite the actual availability of these ammunition, the possibilities for their use are limited. The bombs, at least most of them, are the property of the US Army, and Washington reserves the right to use them for their intended purpose if necessary. Until 1995, according to a source, 10-20 B-61s were at two more air force bases, Akındzhi and Balıkesir, but so far they have all been transported to Inkirlik. The presence of nuclear weapons in Turkey is due to US interests in the event of an emergency in the region. In the event of a serious conflict situation, the US military could transport bombs closer to the center of events. Meanwhile, HaberTurk notes, the main issue remains the means of delivery of these ammunition. Turkey, despite numerous persistent US requests for the deployment of its aircraft capable of carrying nuclear bombs at the Incirlik base, has denied this to the US authorities. According to experts, the republic itself has the ability to carry this nuclear warhead, for example, on an F-16 airplane. However, officially these vehicles are not intended for the transportation of ammunition of these types, nor for the implementation of such a mission as a whole. That is, the delivery of an atomic bomb on a Turkish fighter involves obtaining permission to carry out such a “special mission” that raises a number of formal and political problems. B-61 is the main weapon of the strategic nuclear forces of the United States. Its body is able to withstand supersonic speeds. B-61 has a length of 3,58 meters and a diameter of about 33 cm. The weight of a bomb is on average about 320 kg, but varies depending on version.
  18. Sasha75
    Sasha75 28 June 2016 06: 48
    +8
    That they will apologize, it became obvious that things are really bad, it may not help.
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  20. solovey
    solovey 28 June 2016 06: 51
    +8
    Personally, I will never forgive the Nazis who tormented and conducted experiments on our children, and it does not matter that the Germans apologized !!!
    The same is with the Turi in the place with Erdagan (remember how they rejoiced over the body of our Peshkov).
    1. berezin1987
      berezin1987 28 June 2016 08: 00
      +2
      I fully agree with you. No forgiveness, only revenge on the enemy will calm me.
  21. botsman80
    botsman80 28 June 2016 06: 52
    +4
    Late ... the train left ... the "apology" after the loss count is not an apology ...
  22. Nix1986
    Nix1986 28 June 2016 06: 55
    +4
    This is reminiscent of the apology of a gop put under the barrel of a machine gun. If it were not for the cooling of relations with Europe, the losses of the Turkish business, the incomprehensibility of the United States and the Kurds, then there were no changes to us.
  23. Svetovod
    Svetovod 28 June 2016 06: 56
    +10
    How long did it take from being shot down to "apologizing"? From these crocodile "apologies" to the answer should take NOT LESS time.

    Class! Let's bomb the Turkish military airfield, and then apologize in a year.
    Whats wrong with that?
  24. Cananecat
    Cananecat 28 June 2016 07: 03
    +1
    How to give a drink, we still will be hurt by this apology and compensation ...
  25. Dave36
    Dave36 28 June 2016 07: 03
    -1
    Listen to those who believe I do not believe what kind of kindergarten. We need the Turks no less, through them we can put pressure on Europe, solve problems in Syria, protect Crimea as much as possible, this is bad for Ukraine, it can be solved with wolves .... This is about politics. Regarding relaxation, patriotism is good, but no one has canceled the competition, yet Turkey is the best resort in terms of price and quality. And the last, if such a dictator as Erdogan fell to his knees, they can alone disperse the whole of Europe .... but this will only make it easier for us.
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 28 June 2016 08: 04
      +3
      Quote: Dave36
      Listen to those who believe I do not believe what kind of kindergarten. We need the Turks no less, through them we can put pressure on Europe, solve problems in Syria, protect Crimea as much as possible, this is bad for Ukraine, it can be solved with wolves .... This is about politics. Regarding relaxation, patriotism is good, but no one has canceled the competition, yet Turkey is the best resort in terms of price and quality. And the last, if such a dictator as Erdogan fell to his knees, they can alone disperse the whole of Europe .... but this will only make it easier for us.

      So try to press. Russia has "educated" the Turks for centuries, but to the point. Relations between Russia and Turkey have become tense from the very beginning of bilateral contacts. The Ottoman Empire has repeatedly supported the Crimean Tatars in campaigns against Russia. In 1568, the first in a series of 12 Russian-Turkish wars began. 8 of them were generally successful for Russia. In almost every war, Turkey was supported by European states: first of all, the British Empire and Austria-Hungary. request
  26. Taygerus
    Taygerus 28 June 2016 07: 03
    +3
    pinned down here and ostentatiously apologizes, the penny for his apologies and at the first opportunity when he presses will stick a knife in the back without thinking what trust there can be, especially since Turkey is in NATO, if it leaves NATO, then a completely different scenario
    1. NikolaiN
      NikolaiN 28 June 2016 07: 57
      0
      Well, you have to build a relationship with them, remembering all this. Do not turn your back and do not remove your finger from the trigger. And Erdogan is not eternal, today he is at the helm, tomorrow another will replace him ...
      And politics is a dirty and immoral business a priori, there is no friendship, there is no hatred, only calculation. Who correctly calculated everything, he won.
  27. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 28 June 2016 07: 04
    +1
    To apologize when no one is waiting for them - this is purely a game. It is not known what words expressed the apology, I suspect that the apology along with the charges. And another moment: if Erdogan was not sure that his apologies would be accepted, he would not apologize. Mutual policy ...
  28. Ayujak
    Ayujak 28 June 2016 07: 08
    +5
    Yeah, yeah ... the news is going fast. I am glad that the Russians answered their "no" to Turkish resorts. But, I hope, after the ban on visits is lifted, nevertheless, they will also continue to say their "no" further. I really hope so. The people of Turkey must feel the actions of those whom they have chosen as leaders. Unfortunately, not everyone understands this until now.
  29. istealth
    istealth 28 June 2016 07: 16
    +9
    You know, somehow you don’t want them to start building nuclear power plants at our expense, you don’t want our pipe to go to them and the products from them, when we just started to develop our own ... Why didn’t we apologize publicly ...
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  31. IPSC-2008
    IPSC-2008 28 June 2016 07: 21
    +4
    And the destroyed helicopter sent to rescue the pilot? And the deceased paratrooper? In any case, during the "normalization" of relations, we will remember about the "stab in the back"
  32. private person
    private person 28 June 2016 07: 22
    +3
    Well it started, again everything to the Turet resorts and well, it was in * the Russian manufacturer's department. But what about the impostor substitution? And as self-respect, all exactly the relationship will not be as before, from the donkey's ears and not "Turkish Stream".
    1. NikolaiN
      NikolaiN 28 June 2016 08: 00
      0
      And nobody drives a Turkish resort with a stick, and doesn’t force them to buy their products, now everything will depend on the people themselves.
  33. Evil 55
    Evil 55 28 June 2016 07: 22
    +3
    Compensation snot, tears and tomatoes, DO NOT TAKE .. Beat the government on the heels of the government and no less .. To know and remember ..
  34. RUSOIVAN
    RUSOIVAN 28 June 2016 07: 29
    +1
    I understood correctly: the country of NATO plans to update the fleet of our aircraft?
  35. voronbel53
    voronbel53 28 June 2016 07: 45
    +4
    I personally am a host of us on perdogan and his difficulties. How can he deserve a revision of our attitude towards him? Yes, nothing! Every decent leader of the country must compensate for the economic, political, moral and all the costs of the country suffered from his actions without any conditions, and most importantly, on time. But no, - this bargaining started again. All his statements are not worth a penny, it's hot, - it starts to twist, like in a frying pan. There are things that cannot be stepped over without losing self-respect. If we, for the sake of "tomatoes", some kind of every minute benefit, forget everything, let ourselves go, then we are worthless. If they wiped their feet about us, they will continue - we probably didn’t deserve anything else ...
  36. sa-ag
    sa-ag 28 June 2016 07: 45
    -6
    It can be assumed that this is money so that the Russian Aerospace Forces are not too actively fighting in Syria
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 June 2016 07: 47
      +1
      Quote: sa-ag
      It can be assumed that this is money so that the Russian Aerospace Forces are not too actively fighting in Syria

      Hey Sahag, why haven’t any of your assumptions come true? Maybe you need to just think about it.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 28 June 2016 07: 59
        -4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Hey Sahag, why haven’t any of your assumptions come true?

        What are these? What in Syria will be the likeness of Afghanistan? So this comes true, in March the withdrawal of troops began, now it is necessary to reduce all events in the media space to routine, then it is reported in the news from the fields that the Federation Council has withdrawn its permission to use the RF Armed Forces abroad, in connection with the goals achieved and that’s it.

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Maybe you need to just think about it.

        Very good advice, however, I cannot deprive you of it.
        1. I am human
          I am human 28 June 2016 09: 08
          +1
          You are an internal enemy, and this is worse than Erdogan
  37. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 28 June 2016 07: 46
    +7
    This, I understand, is timeliness! Less than a year later, Erdogan decided to "repaint". He expressed his condolences. I wanted to normalize relations. Don't you want to go to Europe anymore? Instead of the British. In the year 3000. Or maybe the Kurds propped up? Well this is a very exciting game - to help "fighters for freedom and independence" with weapons, money, a roof. We like it too.
    It took only 7 months for the proud Sherkhan to be blown away to the jackal Tabaki.
    It would be better if he bent his line to the end. More respect would remain for him. And so, his place is now at the bucket (can be interpreted as "next to Poroshenko").
    And if he (Erdogan) really is almost such a sultan, he would have resigned for the prosperity of Turkey. With his receiver, it would be "out of the way" to talk to us. They would have pissed off the scapegoat (Erdogan) in the media, hanged all the dogs on him, and would slowly start a dialogue. In a year or two, maybe everything would have settled down. And he wants to eat the fish and ... not choke on the bone.
    GDP yesterday at the United Russia congress did not say a word about the letter of the Turkish under-sultan. Either holds a pause, or there will be no dialogue with Erdogan. I prefer the 2nd option. But our government has its own concepts and motivation. Yesterday did not pay attention to the TV news, how quickly Zhirinovsky "changed his shoes"? His yesterday's interview with his angry speeches six months ago does not directly fit. Klintsevich is a man. I called a spade a spade. Anyway, the events unfold in a very interesting way.
    I can imagine how our Bulgarian "brothers" will begin to tear at the gas pipe now. And how is Petr Alekseevich sleeping now. Perhaps it would be better to use the verb "sleep". I suspect he has doubled the dose since yesterday.
  38. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 28 June 2016 07: 52
    +3
    Apologies, compensations ... Bullshit is all this, the country is a bazaar, a corrupt government and worthless friendship with them. There is no trust in them and will never be!
  39. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 28 June 2016 07: 59
    +2
    Until he presses, the Turk will not move ...
  40. igor1981
    igor1981 28 June 2016 08: 06
    +8
    And why not only for the Su-24, but also for the destroyed and subsequently destroyed on the ground Mi-8 during the search and rescue operation, during which the marine corpsman Alexander Pozynich died. And also to pay compensation to the relatives of the deceased pilot and marine. And also to give Russia this Chelik for trial. Then it will be possible to talk about something. May be.
  41. erased
    erased 28 June 2016 08: 12
    +7
    Turkish resorts are very good and not very expensive. Weather, nature - everything is gorgeous. Only now to go there, even if Erdogan crawls on his knees - it does not give a damn to the soul of the dead, forget about honor and dignity. For sale in two weeks of the sea.
    And now there are those who make their way to Turkey on the left. These are the followers of Vlasov and those traitors who went over to the side of the enemy.
    Tour operators rub their hands and are ready to receive new money. They do not care about people, it would be loot.
    Russian relations with Turkey are a litmus test of the honor of the people. Will they sell it for the resort or what? ..
  42. uralex
    uralex 28 June 2016 08: 33
    +1
    Well, Erdogan, and your economy began to stagger without Russia ... Didn't the tourist season go bad?)))
  43. GEV67
    GEV67 28 June 2016 08: 40
    0
    To take money, to give compensation to the family of the deceased pilot, to punish the Turks.
  44. iliya87
    iliya87 28 June 2016 08: 46
    +1
    As far as I remember, but I don’t suffer from memory loss, our requirements were as follows:
    1) Top-level apology
    2) Compensation for the family of the deceased pilot
    3) Compensation for the aircraft
    1. Bramb
      Bramb 28 June 2016 08: 57
      +2
      1. Apologies from the president.
      2. Compensation for the plane and the pilot.
      3. Extradition of the perpetrators.
  45. Arkan
    Arkan 28 June 2016 08: 52
    +3
    The conditions of Turkish surrender must be stringent. The recognition of Crimea as Russian territory, the cessation of support for militants and other requirements of our Foreign Ministry that meet the interests of our state in the long term.
  46. Khariton
    Khariton 28 June 2016 08: 55
    -2
    Small but Victory! We withstood this confrontation on the brink of a world war! Eternal memory to our fallen pilot hi This is only the beginning, the Ottomans will remember this for a long time!
  47. Axon
    Axon 28 June 2016 08: 58
    +4
    He did not apologize, but said do not judge severely, do not exact, translated from the original.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 28 June 2016 10: 00
      0
      Quote: Axon
      He did not apologize, but said do not judge severely, do not exact, translated from the original.

      For what he did, they pay with blood ... And this is not an apology, but a bleating donkey, to put it mildly! A cunning Ottoman wants to clearly remain in power!
  48. Grandfather Shchukar
    Grandfather Shchukar 28 June 2016 09: 04
    +7
    A continuous stream of sovereign consciousness, he wanted to put both on pride and on Chelik ... This letter is addressed not to the GDP, but to the EU, they say: "You don’t give money, so I’ll be friends with Putin again!"
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 28 June 2016 11: 19
      0
      Quote: Grandfather Shchukar
      A continuous stream of sovereign consciousness, he wanted to put both on pride and on Chelik ... This letter is addressed not to the GDP, but to the EU, they say: "You don’t give money, so I’ll be friends with Putin again!"

      That's right, but the cunning Ottoman wants to play on the contradictions and preserve his power ... Keep the Kurds alive!
  49. morpogr
    morpogr 28 June 2016 09: 14
    +1
    Most likely, things in terms of economy and security are very bad for the Turks. So Erdogan decided to play the first one, seeing that in Europe about sanctions there is a fermentation and occupy the market that he can trade with Russia. While Europe thinks, he decided to act. And if he can implement all frozen projects with Russia, Europe will become even more vulnerable and dependent on Turkey. There is gas and refugees and the fight against terrorism, and the Syrian issue will not be in the EU’s favor.
  50. Deniosf
    Deniosf 28 June 2016 09: 24
    +4
    What do you mean ready to pay ??? not ready but MANDATORY !!! And relations with the Turks cannot be established until this scum is Erdogan in power !!!