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No, but the public was shocked, despite the heat. Somewhere, apparently, fries pohlesche. Ah, Recep ... and Tayip ... Erdogan, in one word.

It is clear that now every wise guy who has reached the keyboard will publish his own interpretation of what happened. Someone, such as Iqbel Durr, sees Erdogan crawling to apologize, “waiting for a signal from the Kremlin.” Say, Putin announced that Moscow wants to resume relations with Ankara, but "apart from the desire to resume relations, you need to do something else for that."

And ... what to take from the Turk, except rotten tomatoes?

Trying to show that this is Putin went to the world, like giving up? Do not make me laugh.

On the one hand, it seems. Yes, in Greece, our president once again said that "we leave the door ajar." But is it worth it to make Erdogan's victory out of this?

Drain, as they say today, there is. And Recep himself leaked himself. Quietly So quietly that the poor Turkish media were forced to copyright from the site of our president and translate from Russian to Turkish what Erdogan wept. Yes, it was translated. Well, okay, we still understand their how to understand.

However, I'm sorry, but where is the bell ringing in the pants? In the style of Vladimir Vladimirovich or Sergey Viktorovich? Where is this rolling "Boooo!"? Or is it there, beyond the Russian Sea, so sure that we forgot the performances six months ago?

"We! We stand on guard! We! Shove down and bring down more! If need be!" And stuff like that. Cheerfully, confidently, and the entire planet. In front of the cameras. "Booom!"

And today what? Quietly, through diplomatic channels, so much so that no one knew.

"Russia is a friend and strategic partner for Turkey, with which the Turkish authorities would not want to spoil relations. We never had the desire and deliberate intention to shoot down an airplane belonging to the Russian Federation."

For fools to keep us, of course, you can try. But not for the unconscious. Six months ago, we listened somewhat differently. And, frankly, silently madness from Erdogan's blatant stupidity. Have waited? They waited. Even then, at the very beginning, many intelligent people predicted that this incident would not just go away.

But why not the whole world, how then? Why not "Boom!", And a sort of "tink!" two peas?

And because Erdogan. So, and nothing else.

It is clear that now things in a relationship can improve in some way. Quite possible. And many will be happy even with us. I do not take these, which simply do not see for themselves the meaning in life without two weeks in Shyrmulskhehe or Antalya. That they have already written to the root of the directory, you can only knock out full formatting. They both ride and ride. Through Minsk.

This, of course, is a personal matter, but as for me, it’s like making Roshen candies cracking. But - to each his own.

Sincerely sorry for a bunch of people who remained without work. And there are a lot. And those who are engaged in fruit and vegetables, and who textiles, sheepskin jeans, drove.

So, apparently, there will be some results. We'll see.

But the reasons? The reasons are very simple. The United States has long said: "Recep, deal with the Russians myself." It was? It was. And Europe unanimously demonstrated to Erdogan that he, to put it mildly, had already lifted up with his ambitions. And in Europe, he has nothing to do.

And really left zilch. Its among strangers, a stranger among its own. As it is. But strangers are far away, and those who are “theirs” are also just waiting, as if to insert a dagger and turn it so ... with a grin.

What are you going to do here? Again: how hot it is - so run to Russia. It is too late yet. For now, the Russians will be able to "understand and forgive."

Only understood already. And well understood what was happening. And with whom we deal. And which of Erdogan is a "partner". Not a normal partner. Like these ... European and overseas.

It will be interesting to see the reaction of all. And those who delivered coolness to Erdogan in unmeasured quantities, and those who are at his home. And ours. Very interesting. Maybe ours and forgive. According to the breadth of the Russian soul.

However, do not forget about the essence of Erdogan. For, as the Turkish proverb says, "Affet, ama unutma". What in Russian sounds like "Forgive me, but do not forget." We have better about the eyes.

In general, the situation was predictable and quite expected. As soon as the reserve of coolness ended, and it became clear that, apart from Ukraine, no one as an ally to Turkey wanted to be friends against Russia, then the result is here.

The natural result.

That's just how something is done not in a sultan or shahski manner. Or who Erdogan thinks is himself? Not as the head of state, even if he did ... wrong.

Forgive me somehow, melkozvvchato.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 28 June 2016 06: 03
    +18
    There is no result, but sad.
    “Do not exact” - do not be offended. That is, my position is true, firm, although you do not like it.
    And is Peskov giving an apology?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 June 2016 06: 13
      +24
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      And is Peskov giving an apology?

      What does Peskov have to do with it, it’s not in him, but in you. You heard, and you thought up the rest yourself.
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS 28 June 2016 08: 19
        0
        A mixture of European and Eastern diplomatic language. Try to understand whether this is an apology or something else.
        but if, apart from the letter, you hear the statements and comments of other Turkish politicians and the media, then this is still an apology.
        1. Arh
          Arh 28 June 2016 11: 48
          +17
          Not guys, I disdain to build business relations with the Turks !!!
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN 28 June 2016 14: 52
            +16
            (8) RU Today, 11: 48 ↑
            Not guys, I disdain to build business relations with the Turks !!!

            Me too, but no matter how disgusting, the establishment of relations and even with Turkey is necessary. It’s just that you need to set it up at least for about 5 years. We must pump out all of our losses from them (such as in the southern stream, etc.), Changes in the policy on money, guarantees not to interfere with us, but to help, for that we feed politicians with diplomats.
            For me, an apology only complicates everything considering the fact that it became easier to wriggle around this Turkish worm, and there are legends about their betrayal.
            1. aba
              aba 30 June 2016 02: 01
              +2
              It’s just that you need to set it up at least for 5 years.

              Someone thinks differently: they opened Turkey for tourists and news about the terrorist attack in Istanbul left news feeds. Well yes! This is no longer important or interesting. And it hinders ... Business!
              And where is the notorious security of Russian citizens, which is so much taken care of in the case of Egypt ?!
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 30 June 2016 02: 14
                +3
                Quote: aba
                opened Turkey for tourists

                - and what, has it already been "discovered"? I heard about the "instruction to the Government of the Russian Federation to work out the issue ..." But to "open" (already, now, of course, right?) - somehow I haven't heard

                Quote: aba
                news feeds about the terrorist attack in Istanbul. Well yes! This is no longer important or interesting. And it hinders ... Business

                - And this is already a horse. Spirology at a gallop ... Nothing bothers anyone
                - just the journalists that they could, licked the topic, and went to look for something more tasty. Maybe they’ve already found

                Quote: aba
                And where is the notorious security of Russian citizens

                - but it’s interesting - are all the citizens of Russia so infantile that they themselves can’t think about their own security? laughing
            2. Valiich
              Valiich 30 June 2016 19: 11
              +1
              Do not rush, you need to be patient, Everything will be in the best way!
        2. Hayer 31
          Hayer 31 28 June 2016 15: 19
          +7
          To kill a chelavek and squeeze the blood with words, there are no such "partners"
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 29 June 2016 13: 57
          +4
          An imitation of an apology, and in a whisper.
      2. aleks_29296
        aleks_29296 28 June 2016 08: 24
        +16
        And is Peskov giving an apology?


        Yesterday, all the liberals squealed on this subject, as if the translation was wrong. I was even kicked out of several groups for the malicious snags of our liberoids.
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 28 June 2016 09: 20
        +11
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What does Peskov have to do with it, it’s not in him, but in you. You heard, and you thought up the rest yourself.

        Was there an apology? No one heard them, except for the words of Peskov! In our country, of course, everyone believes Peskov as himself! And in other countries? Ah, in the same Turkey? Are we going to quote Peskov’s words to everyone?
        And if Erdogan suddenly abandons his words! It's in his style, he recently beat himself in the chest, that he will not apologize to Russia! Now, this is just everyone heard! And, apologies, except for the words of Peskov, no one.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 June 2016 09: 28
          +3
          Quote: Stas157
          Was there an apology? No one heard them, except for the words of Peskov! In our country, of course, everyone believes in Peskov,

          Well, judging by the articles in the media, Peskov is trusted not only in our country. All the world media. Write about it. Do they also believe only in Peskov?
          Quote: Stas157
          Now, this is just everyone heard! And, apologies, except for the words of Peskov, no one.

          Listen, stop talking nonsense
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 28 June 2016 09: 37
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Listen, stop talking nonsense

            How can you reinforce your position? Give evidence, show the video where Erdogan apologizes!
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        2. marl
          marl 28 June 2016 13: 45
          +34
          Quote: Stas157
          In our country, of course, everyone believes Peskov as himself!

          Am I missing something, or was a poll conducted in the country on the personal trust of Mr. Peskov personally?
          In our country, the population has long believed in their eyes and ears.
          In the case of "apologies", the country's leadership has so far refrained from any assessments, clearly taking the position of observing the course of further development of this topic. It is well known that today a failed sultan can say one thing, but tomorrow he can completely change his shoes. So why the air is to vibrate ahead of time. For now, let's listen to other experts in Turkic studies. In addition to Avatkov, there is Satanovsky, Bagdasarov, Zhirinovsky, after all.
          For the time being, one thing is clear that Erdogan, having completely felt that he is sitting naked on the hot backside, frantically feels the way out of the back place, into which he himself, over the past few months, has been technically stuffing himself.
          Losses of Turkey to date, already amounted to about 15 billion dollars. This is not for you some tomatoes, for the money you can already think about a sincere apology, and about real compensation for the damage caused by the Russian Federation.
          We’ll wait and see that all the same it was ...
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 28 June 2016 13: 57
            +1
            Quote: marna
            marna Today, 13:45 PM ↑

            not bad Marina said, not bad ... balanced comment + hi
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 28 June 2016 14: 41
            +2
            Quote: marna
            In the case of "apologies", the country's leadership has so far refrained from any assessments, clearly taking the position of observing the course of further development of this topic.

            Yes you! And why then this?
            In the morning, there was information about the imminent improvement of relations between Turkey and Russia, and now "Gazprom" has already clarified a little about the gas flows in southern Europe. As the representative of the Russian company Sergey Kupriyanov stated, their company did not finally close the Turkish Stream.

            "We have always been open for dialogue on the Turkish Stream, and we are still open" ...

            Do you think Erdogan impromptu apologized? Any actions of the presidents at first assistants prepare, meet, discuss. And then apologies follow as if suddenly. If Erdogan apologized, then his assistants had already discussed the possibility of this in advance! And ours weighed, and whether we need it. Apparently they thought that it was necessary ...
            1. marl
              marl 28 June 2016 16: 02
              +3
              Quote: Stas157
              Do you think Erdogan impromptu apologized?

              Of course not. Yesterday it was said, all in the same news, following the quotation of the letter, that everything was preceded by the meticulous work of diplomats.
              And today, despite 100% confidence in Peskov among the people you are writing about, Erdogan nevertheless denied the apology itself, which was to be expected. Therefore, I wrote in a previous post
              We’ll wait and see that all the same it was ...
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 28 June 2016 19: 55
                -2
                Quote: marna
                Of course not. Yesterday it was said, all in the same news, following the quotation of the letter, that everything was preceded by the meticulous work of diplomats.

                Well, then you contradict yourself. Otherwise, where does it come from:
                Quote: marna
                In the case of "apologies", the country's leadership has so far refrained from any assessments, clearly taking the position of observing the course of further development of this topic.

                Since our diplomats gave the green light to an apology, it means that the Kremlin decided to draw closer to Turkey, after the ritual on duty.
                1. marl
                  marl 29 June 2016 00: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Since our diplomats gave the green light to an apology, it means that the Kremlin decided to draw closer to Turkey, after the ritual on duty.

                  Where is the contradiction here?
                  The Kremlin never hid the fact that he could make a rapprochement on the condition that Erdogan take a number of necessary steps. If at first he categorically refused such conditions, now, apparently, the situation for him was such that it was time to agree to them. The Kremlin, for now, remains to watch what follows. There was nothing to comment.
          3. Stas157
            Stas157 28 June 2016 14: 47
            +2
            Quote: marna
            Am I missing something, or was a poll conducted in the country on the personal trust of Mr. Peskov personally?

            Well, since we initially heard about Erdogan’s apology from Mr. Peskov, and not from Erdogan himself! Isn't that a little weird?
            And, unfortunately, no one saw Erdoогan’s apology and I’m afraid that I won’t see it. They only discuss what Peskov said there, and what is hanging on the website of the Turkish government.
            Everyone would be so sorry! I posted an apology on my page, and that's it! And even without Russian translation! Like who needs an apology, learn Turkish! And, by the way, the word "excuse me" seems to be not there!
            1. marl
              marl 28 June 2016 16: 13
              +1
              Quote: Stas157
              Well, since we initially heard about Erdogan’s apology from Mr. Peskov, and not from Erdogan himself! Isn't that a little weird?

              Well, and from whom can we hear them, if not from an official person?
              That letter was handwritten, and even personally to the president. Now, if it was an audio appeal, then we probably would have shown a picture and heard a speech, but only in Turkish, so it’s unlikely that they could bear anything worthwhile. Personally, I am not familiar with the Turkic languages, anyway I need a translator.
              But in any case, this conversation is no longer relevant, since Erdoganchik technically merged, which in general few people surprised. He also screwed up the translators from the device, you see, they translated him not so.
              Are you surprised? Personally, I did not expect anything like that yesterday, while listening to this message, tortured for seven months.
            2. major147
              major147 28 June 2016 20: 43
              +5
              I think we need to force a Turk to write the word "sorry" in Russian on a Turkish government website. hi
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 29 June 2016 07: 03
                +2
                Quote: major147
                I think we need to force a Turk to write the word "sorry" in Russian on a Turkish government website.

                I think the apology should be in the language spoken by those to whom it is intended. That is, in Russian! Otherwise, what's the point if they don't understand you. What actually happened, the Turkish translators cannot find the word "sorry" in the Turkish apology!
                Well, duplicated for others in Turkish and English.
          4. NordUral
            NordUral 29 June 2016 13: 59
            +1
            The art of diplomacy and power in general is the ability to hold a pause.
      4. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 28 June 2016 10: 22
        +11
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        And is Peskov giving an apology?

        What does Peskov have to do with it, it’s not in him, but in you. You heard, and you thought up the rest yourself.

        No, dear. This time the thing is in you. He who has ears, let him hear. You don’t hear well, read this: “Even in the secretariat of Erdogan there was a special statement that Erdogan said kusura bakmasınlar, in Russian -“ do not seek. ” This is not entirely an apology, ”Avatkov told Izvestia.

        The expert also noted that Erdogan, speaking in parliament today, said that, faced with the fact of “violating the border,” he would have done the same, referring to the Russian bomber shot down by the Turkish Air Force last November.
        Avatkov calls this another Ankara speculation. According to him, Turkey "is always trying to manipulate" and "return to its previous status, doing absolutely nothing." The Russian expert insists that “Turkey, all the time after the downed aircraft, has been trying to manipulate informationally using all possible methods.”
        Read more: //izvestia.ru/news/619714#ixzz4Co0sIG9o

        According to Dmitry Peskov, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan apologizes for the Russian Su-24 bomber shot down last fall. The Interfax news agency cites a statement by a spokesman for the Russian president:

        President of the Russian Federation Putin received a message from Turkish President Erdogan in which the Turkish leader expressed his interest in resolving the situation associated with the death of a Russian military aircraft. The head of the Turkish state in the message expressed his sympathy and deep condolences to the family of the deceased Russian pilot, and said: "Sorry."

        Problem? Well no. Forgery.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 28 June 2016 10: 37
          -4
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Erdogan issued a special statement that Erdogan said kusura bakmasınlar, in Russian - "do not seek." This is not entirely an apology, ”Avatkov told Izvestia.

          The expert also noted that Erdogan, speaking in parliament today, said that, faced with the fact of “violating the border,” he would have done the same, referring to the Russian bomber shot down by the Turkish Air Force last November.


          ... that's all for "domestic consumption"don't you find?
          Imagine what would have happened if he had come out to parliament and said: "That's it, I surrender to the Russians! I was wrong" ...

          No need to be naive to understand - "do not judge by his words, but judge by deeds"...
          So let's see!
          Lavrov and ets - grated executioners and not simple-minded simpletons ...

          It will be so, and not otherwise -
          Of course, it’s not just an apology (compensation for damages, punishment of the guilty and apologies for the pilot’s family ...).
          Naturally, ours will demand a "correction" of the domestic and foreign policy of Ottomania ... up to the suspension of NATO membership and the withdrawal (over time) of this little-respected organization with all the consequences ...
          And the consequences for our enemies will be very significant ....

          And in return, the Turks will receive a lot of interesting things - an alliance with the Russian Federation in the war with Daesh, membership in the SCO, EAEU, a branch of the "Silk Road" ...

          But, there was no point in forgetting - "the Ottomans understand only the stick" from the Old Church Slavonic ...
        2. nekot
          nekot 28 June 2016 11: 43
          0
          Well, if you believe this expert like that, then visit, first, his page on FAcebook and see all his posts on this topic: https://www.facebook.com/v.avatkov
          There, both yours and ours, and in general, figs knows what, and no one has seen the text in Turkish (!))), So all the rubbish around the statement of the Turkish press secretary for domestic consumption and a link to some Turk who "read Erdogan's letter in Turkish "))) Moreover, Avatkov himself gives lengthy comments that the Apologies brought by Turkey are not enough)))
        3. Hayer 31
          Hayer 31 28 June 2016 15: 28
          0
          I repeat, the blood cannot be washed away with fame, it is necessary to prove piling remorse
      5. Rus2012
        Rus2012 28 June 2016 10: 27
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        You heard, and you thought up the rest yourself.


        Quote: Author Roman Skomorokhov
        But is it worth making Erdogan’s victory out of this?


        Quote: Author Roman Skomorokhov
        It will be interesting to see the reaction of all. And those who delivered coolness to Erdogan in unmeasured quantities, and those who are at his home. And ours. Very interesting. Maybe ours and forgive. According to the breadth of the Russian soul.

        However, do not forget about the essence of Erdogan. For, as the Turkish proverb says, "Affet, ama unutma". What in Russian sounds like "Forgive me, but do not forget." We have better about the eyes.

        In general, the situation was predictable and quite expected. As soon as the reserve of coolness ended, and it became clear that, apart from Ukraine, no one as an ally to Turkey wanted to be friends against Russia, then the result is here.

        The natural result.


        ... all right around? wink

        /// by itself, Osman Pasha merged, realizing that really nobody needs Turkey with their problems. Therefore, and "crawled", as they say, in the "ajar doors" ...

        Indeed, in fact, the "Powerful of this world" - sentenced osmaniya to partition, they say ...
        But, we are not very good. I would like to have in my neighbors another razdrakonenuyu Libya, Iraq or Yugoslavia. Type of another "walk-field" for the Wahhabis.

        Therefore ... you need to insert this clip in our interests! Of course, it’s not just an apology (compensation for damages, punishment of the guilty and apologies for the pilot’s family ...).
        Naturally, ours will demand a "correction" of the domestic and foreign policy of Ottomania ... up to the suspension of NATO membership and the withdrawal (over time) of this little-respected organization with all the consequences ...
        And the consequences for our enemies will be very significant ....

        And in return, the Turks will receive a lot of interesting things - an alliance with the Russian Federation in the war with Daesh, membership in the SCO, EAEU, a branch of the "Silk Road" ...

        But, there was no point in forgetting - "the Ottomans understand only the stick" from the Old Church Slavonic ...
      6. Hayer 31
        Hayer 31 28 June 2016 15: 16
        +2
        Apologize only for fame ... Well, then deceived again. It is necessary to prove by deed. And for
        Turkey's geopolitical enemy number 1 UTB Rassia, at least how many negavari
      7. NordUral
        NordUral 29 June 2016 13: 56
        0
        Romanov, quote an apology if you accept it.
      8. OlegLex
        OlegLex 29 June 2016 20: 45
        +1
        In addition, I want to add that today it slipped through news feeds that a criminal case had been opened against Erdogan in Germany.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 28 June 2016 06: 57
      +8
      The article is normal, but it does not attract serious analytics. Now no one knows where to lay straws so that falling would not hurt. What is only one referendum in the British kingdom. Who would expect! Now included is a tote on Trump, and, to the fullest. laughing The oil market has become unpredictable, although we were told that it is the core of the global economy. So what? Where and now to whom to put this core on the most can not? laughing As for Erdogan, then he needs to survive as it should. Yes, only, does he know what will happen tomorrow?
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 28 June 2016 10: 51
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        What is only one referendum in the British kingdom. Who would expect!

        ... or maybe someone knew and specifically started this business? At least pushed the near prime minister, don’t you? ;)))))))))))
        Some say so -

        On the strategic goal of Britain's exit from the European Union
        Party on "small loss" with the exit of Britain from the EU and played in June 2016 of the year in Britain Windsor. The victory of the horse (end in 2017) by all indications will go to the Chinese leader Xi Jinping. What is this about?

        British Lord Jacob Rothschild in March 2015 outlined three possible options for countries and peoples out of the global crisis of industrial society. It:

        or 1. full-scale world war of arms;
        or 2. slow painful reforms with sanctions, local conflicts and saber rattling;
        either 3. transition to a new currency world.

        The third way to the New Monetary World (p.3) is played by the alliance of the Windsor, Rothschilds and Chinese Dragons.
        Objective: to recount the world’s wealth from the zeros of the US petrodollar to an ounce of metallic gold and carats of precious stones. With the Anglo-Saxons squeezed to their “lonely island” and the Teutons (high-tech Germany) pulled in to service the tasks of the Chinese Dream.
        The idea: the creation of the Economic Belt of the New Silk Road as a zone of prosperity with China and the logistic Sea Silk Road of the 21st century from China to Germany “one belt, one road”. The game is played on strong maps of the natural values ​​of gold, drugs, and the powerful commodity economy of a 21st century Chinese factory.
    3. Aleks.Antonov
      Aleks.Antonov 28 June 2016 07: 19
      +2
      "Do not demand: be condescending, I beg your pardon, I apologize, I am guilty, I am sorry, sorry, it will not be said in anger, I beg your pardon, I beg your pardon, I am sorry generously, I am sorry, I am guilty" Dictionary of Russian synonyms.
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    5. RUSS
      RUSS 28 June 2016 09: 13
      +6
      life without two weeks in Shyrmulshah
      Sharm El Sheikh is Egmpet, not Turkey.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 28 June 2016 09: 40
        +3
        Do you believe Erdogan? Before that, he swore friendship and cooperation, and then bang ...
        The second time only a naive boy will believe!
        1. Dimas54
          Dimas54 28 June 2016 11: 34
          +2
          the actions of the driven dog into the corner, while he can’t bite off his hand, at least he will kiss (lick).
      2. Spitfire
        Spitfire 28 June 2016 09: 51
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        life without two weeks in Shyrmulshah
        Sharm El Sheikh is Egmpet, not Turkey.


        Quite right. I also don’t understand the author’s pity for the frank "buy and sell". The 90s are over, let them try to work.

        "I am sincerely sorry for a bunch of people who were left without work. And there are many left. And those who were engaged in fruits and vegetables, and who carried textiles, sheepskin coats."
    6. Edvagan
      Edvagan 28 June 2016 10: 33
      0
      Well, it seems like today they are ready to pay compensation for the plane. This already looks something like at least pleading guilty and wanting to compensate for the damage caused.
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 28 June 2016 06: 08
    .
    I hope our people will not be fooled by such releases. And they will again fill the empty beaches.
    1. The black
      The black 28 June 2016 06: 11
      +21
      Erdogan is a beaten card, he is not respected and is hardly shook hands among the leaders of the world community. Everyone knows - who betrayed once, betray more than once. Now the task of the Turks is to find a leader who will be accepted by Russia. There is nothing more to agree with Erdogan. Erdogan, this is far from the whole of Turkey.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 28 June 2016 06: 43
        +1
        "Erdogan is a broken card" ... Then Poroshenko is just "waste paper". And he is still "partner Petr Alekseevich": we trade, hang out in Minsk, together we "arm" the OSCE.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 28 June 2016 07: 58
          +1
          Well, yes, politics is dirty and smelly. If you want a result on the way out - shut up the nosybir, squeeze the fig in your pocket and smile, smile. That godfather that rushing with a drill, regardless of situevina, is at the peak of his brother (sorry princely squad).
        2. NikolaiN
          NikolaiN 28 June 2016 17: 30
          +8
          Well, when Putin says "partners" he seems to think like this ...
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 28 June 2016 06: 20
      0
      Of course they will fill it out .. With business, I think it will be more difficult, a holy place does not happen to be empty.
      Quote: Teberii
      I hope our people will not be fooled by such releases. And they will again fill the empty beaches.
    3. ,
      , 28 June 2016 06: 47
      +28
      Nefig remove the sanctions, only the greenhouse business began to improve, and then they will explode with their tomatoes. We must create a petition, Putin, do not cancel the sanctions. Yes, and without their consumer goods you can live. And who is going to these dba .... am going to the sea? They damn us like cattle, after the Chechen wars, here are the Germans, people, let them count on them !!!
      Do everything in Turkish, take the money for the plane, pay compensation to relatives and ..... send on foot erotic!
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 28 June 2016 08: 01
        +10
        I agree, we have Crimea. We will develop it as an All-Union, sorry All-Russian health resort.
      2. cap
        cap 28 June 2016 08: 05
        +9
        Quote: andre
        Do everything in Turkish, take the money for the plane, pay compensation to relatives and ..... send on foot erotic!


        And rightly so! good
      3. en 45
        en 45 28 June 2016 08: 13
        +1
        Here are the Germans, people, let them count on them !!!
        - Yes, that's just the Germans are not really going to them. I talked with friends from Germany last week, they are going to rest in Bulgaria. And about Turkey they say that trips have become 2 times cheaper than last year, but it’s scary to go to them, so many don’t go.
      4. slimp
        slimp 28 June 2016 13: 24
        0
        And what about sanctions right away - your consciousness is dumb?
        Poroshenko, even if he repents on his knees, but I won’t buy Roshen (although they were good).
        And Turkey should have the same attitude while Erdogan or his relatives are in power. The wedge did not meet on their beaches and fur coats.
        Genetalia Erdogan’s head sent by mail to our consulate will be considered a sufficient apology
        1. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 30 June 2016 09: 24
          0
          Quote: slimp
          Genetalia Erdogan's head sent by mail to our consulate will be considered a sufficient apology

          especially this one:
          Quote: slimp
          Genetalia

          wink
    4. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 30 June 2016 09: 21
      0
      yeah! direct schaaaaz! I’m running, I’m stumbling already! Maybe you’ll go, but I don’t have to live for us, so that I would go to Turkey against the backdrop of terrorist attacks!
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 28 June 2016 06: 11
    +10
    “Even in the Erdogan secretariat, a special statement was issued that Erdogan said kusura bakmasınlar, in Russian -“ do not seek. ” This is not entirely an apology, ”Avatkov told Izvestia.
    It hurt for a long time Erdogan was looking for an option to be sincere. And why do we need such a friend with such an attitude.
    1. The black
      The black 28 June 2016 06: 16
      +9
      Let them first reimburse in full for the downed plane of Russia and moral damage to the family of the deceased pilot, and then ask for friendship! And the Russians do not go to this country anymore for a vacation, since the world is full of beautiful places to stay without it!
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 June 2016 06: 17
      +14
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      . And why do we need such a friend, with

      Turkey in the years ahead will not be our friend, do not invent. Erdogan is a rat cornered by everyone. He was thrown by the EU, with amer it is not going smoothly, problems throughout the Middle East.
      He had no moves left. Even to Israel he climbed with an apology.
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      r, in Russian - "do not seek." This is not an apology, ”Avatkov told Izvestia.

      Publish the entire text.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 28 June 2016 06: 25
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        . And why do we need such a friend, with

        Turkey in the years ahead will not be our friend, do not invent. Erdogan is a rat cornered by everyone. He was thrown by the EU, with amer it is not going smoothly, problems throughout the Middle East.
        He had no moves left. Even to Israel he climbed with an apology.
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        r, in Russian - "do not seek." This is not an apology, ”Avatkov told Izvestia.

        Publish the entire text.


        “Even in the Erdogan secretariat, a special statement was issued that Erdogan said kusura bakmasınlar, in Russian -“ do not seek. ” This is not entirely an apology, ”Avatkov told Izvestia.

        The expert also noted that Erdogan, speaking in parliament today, said that, faced with the fact of “violating the border,” he would have done the same, referring to the Russian bomber shot down by the Turkish Air Force last November.
        Avatkov calls this another Ankara speculation. According to him, Turkey "is always trying to manipulate" and "return to its previous status, doing absolutely nothing." The Russian expert insists that “Turkey, all the time after the downed aircraft, has been trying to manipulate informationally using all possible methods.”
        Read more: //izvestia.ru/news/619714#ixzz4Co0sIG9o
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 June 2016 07: 20
          +1
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          This is not an apology, ”Avatkov told Izvestia.

          You know, I personally don’t give a damn about Erdogan, I already wrote a lot about him and don’t want to.
          But here you are another song. As I understand it, for you there is only one source of truth, and this is Mr. Avatkov (the first time I hear about him)
          I want to once again express my sympathy and deep condolences to the family of the deceased Russian pilot and say "sorry."
          Is this from Erdogan’s text, is the translation wrong?
          1. aleks_29296
            aleks_29296 28 June 2016 08: 37
            +1
            I want to once again express my sympathy and deep condolences to the family of the deceased Russian pilot and say "sorry."
            Is this from Erdogan’s text, is the translation wrong?


            The fact of the matter is that all liberal-maidan trash rests on the fact that only the family of the deceased apologized. Too veiled phrases.
          2. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 28 June 2016 10: 58
            -1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            This is not an apology, ”Avatkov told Izvestia.

            You know, I personally don’t give a damn about Erdogan, I already wrote a lot about him and don’t want to.
            But here you are another song. As I understand it, for you there is only one source of truth, and this is Mr. Avatkov (the first time I hear about him)
            I want to once again express my sympathy and deep condolences to the family of the deceased Russian pilot and say "sorry."
            Is this from Erdogan’s text, is the translation wrong?

            Take Erdogan's text in Turkish "kusura bakmasınlar" (do not exact) is there?
            If there is, then it’s wrong.
            A source of truth like you will definitely not interest me.
      2. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 28 June 2016 06: 49
        +1
        Alexander, rummaged through the internet. That's all I found.
        Director of the Center for Oriental Studies, International Relations and Public Diplomacy, Turkologist Vladimir Avatkov believes that Turkey is engaged in information manipulation
        Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s message to Russian leader Vladimir Putin didn’t say “excuse me,” the director of the Center for Oriental Studies, International Relations and Public Diplomacy, Turkologist Vladimir Avatkov, said.

        “Even in the Erdogan secretariat, a special statement was issued that Erdogan said kusura bakmasınlar, in Russian -“ do not seek. ” This is not entirely an apology, ”Avatkov told Izvestia.



        Read on: http://izvestia.ru/news/619714#ixzz4CqHVE4sl
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      4. RUSS
        RUSS 28 June 2016 09: 16
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Turkey in the years ahead will not be our friend, do not invent. Erdogan is a rat cornered by everyone. He was thrown by the EU, with Amer it’s not going smoothly, problems throughout the Middle East. He has no moves left. He even climbed to Israel with an apology.

        Something like that was a hundred years ago in Turkey, and it was then that our Bolsheviks could say and saved Turkey by shipping weapons and gold to Ataturk.
    3. moskowit
      moskowit 28 June 2016 06: 33
      +8
      As we used to say in childhood: "We are such friends, for hell and to the museum!"
  4. PKK
    PKK 28 June 2016 06: 12
    +3
    Erdogan only worsened relations, it turns out that he can’t act humanly. Erdogan will not become a European Fuhrer.
  5. ImPerts
    ImPerts 28 June 2016 06: 18
    +6
    The Turks seem to have agreed. It seems that Israel will even pay compensation in twenty killed American hedgehogs. It seems that Tel Aviv kept Moscow in the know all the time. It seems that the gray wolf activist was dragged back to court.
    A lot of things happened yesterday or were announced yesterday, so Roman wrote an article)))
    You can argue for a long time about what happened.
    For example, I think that we are witnessing another mnogohodovki global scale)))
    My bell tower has its own height and can be seen with it at a certain distance. Based on this, and draw conclusions)))
    Let's see, for me the size of compensation will be a marker, because this is one of the conditions for the beginning of reconciliation.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 28 June 2016 06: 54
      +11
      Quote: ImPerts
      For example, I think that we are witnessing another world-wide multi-trip

      May be... what And here I see that if the Turks also pay compensation, then Russia leaves this story with the highest reputation gain.
      1. We will achieve everything that was originally voiced by the president.
      2. They were not drawn into a military conflict with Turkey with the opportunity to hang on us all universal evil.
      3. They showed that although Russia is a "regional power", some people feel very sour when we turn our booty.
      4. They have established themselves as a consistent, understandable and sane world player.
    2. samarin1969
      samarin1969 28 June 2016 06: 54
      +5
      "Let's see, for me the size of compensation will be a marker" ...
      The "marker" from Erdogan is to stop the military operations of the Turkomans in northern Syria. So far, a small group of the Aerospace Forces in Syria is forced to be torn between the advancing detachments of explicit and secret "Erdogan's friends."
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 28 June 2016 08: 03
        +2
        Quote: samarin1969
        Let's see, for me the size of compensation will be a marker "...
        The "marker" from Erdogan is to stop the military operations of the Turkomans in northern Syria.

        I agree, only yesterday Turkey fired at the Kurds. Kurds vs Isil. Accordingly, in the current situation, Isil is her natural ally.
        And regarding compensation - at one time the Persians gave the Shah diamond for the murder of Griboyedov. I think the families of those killed on a similar diamond in monetary terms will not hurt
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 June 2016 06: 52
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    He even apologized to Israel

    Let me correct you. Israel said it would pay Turkey compensation for the conflict with the seizure of the cargo ship when 9 far from peaceful Turks were killed during the landing.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 28 June 2016 11: 03
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      He even apologized to Israel

      Let me correct you. Israel said it would pay Turkey compensation for the conflict with the seizure of the cargo ship when 9 far from peaceful Turks were killed during the landing.

      As I heard the compensation will be modest. Erdogan will supply 10 tons of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip. And will receive the transit of Israeli gas.
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    1. igorka357
      igorka357 28 June 2016 08: 20
      +1
      It's pretty loud, and I even pissed, but I would have corrected you .. REMEMBER !!!
  8. 1536
    1536 28 June 2016 07: 27
    +9
    The time of duels ended in the 18th century. In Russia, probably in the 19th century, after the duel of M.Yu. Lermontov with a certain Martynov in the 1841 year, where the poet was killed. Since then, people have asked themselves: What should I do with my enemy - destroy him, and doom myself to eternal torment, if not in prison, then before God, or try to go to the world with him, and without forgiving anything, nevertheless, to live with him, to know the price and the price of relations with him. Moreover, you can’t distance yourself from it?
    What is more honest: during the time of Admiral A.F. Ushakova, knowing that the British advisers are on Turkish ships, shake hands with them at diplomatic receptions, or accept the surrender of the Turks defeated in battle?
    Who can guarantee that a Turk was sitting in the cockpit of an "ambush" Turkish plane, and not an Englishman or an American? And no one doubts that such a provocation could have been planned only in the minds of the British, masters of all sorts of "military tricks".
    What is the result? The British got what they wanted. Our plane was shot down, our pilot was brutally killed, the Turks are to blame, the Russians quarreled with them, and as a result they both suffer losses from their enmity and are ready to grab each other's throats. 120% of the success of Anglo-American politics - our "partners" and "friends", with whom we have never even fought openly.
    The Turks and I were, are and will be enemies. So it is written in the family. White wave on the Black Sea. But as the ancients said: "Deliver me, O God, from my friends, and I myself will cope with the enemies."
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 28 June 2016 08: 17
      0
      As for the Turks, you are right, “You don’t need such friends, you don’t need enemies!” Otherwise, your message is only on behalf of a conspiracy theory lover ..))! A Turk sat, knocked down the Turks, but before that they received approval, perhaps tacitly ... It was this Su-24 that did not cross the border, but there were cases of violation of the Turkish border by our Aerospace Forces, and they were not rare! But of course this does not mean that it was necessary to shoot down if a tough scumbag was sitting in the Kremlin, and not a calculating strategist , it would be possible to get a violation of its border by all the forces of the Russian Aerospace Forces! And the "strategists" would not even need to violate! And everyone who says here ... the Turks have a strong army ... we would not send ground troops there, the Turks it is enough to inflict a missile strike, not even the most massive one, to destroy their infrastructure! And if Turkey declared war on the Russian Federation, then after two or three months of stable missile strikes, she would surrender herself !! Well, if we take NATO into account, then Do not forget the CSTO, and then China needs to determine with whom it is, such a war of one hundred Rone will not leave anyone, and even Switzerland with its banks will arrive ..))!
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 28 June 2016 09: 04
        +2
        Now, here the boys from All Street are sleeping and see how Russia gets into what kind of war. The main thing is that the island should not be affected and that it is calm beyond the puddle. In such a scenario, for them, the manna from heaven will begin. We are the Turks with missiles, they are for us, there is still someone harnessing and let's go. Eurasia is on fire. Everyone is beaten by everyone, but among the Masons, beyond the puddle, the profits are twig! Nah, such arrangements, it is softer, more flexible, more cunning. In this regard, we have the right president, the head of the GDP.
  9. Tsoy
    Tsoy 28 June 2016 07: 27
    0
    Above required to pay the plane ...

    Turkey is ready to indemnify Russia for the Su-24 bomber shot down in Syria, Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said. According to him, the parties hope for normalization of relations. “The content of the letter is understandable. We expressed our regret and will pay compensation if necessary. Both countries want normalization of relations. I think things are getting better, ”the TRT television channel quoted Turkish Premier as saying.

    https://m.news.rambler.ru/middleeast/34028426/
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 28 June 2016 07: 28
    +13
    It is understandable, Erdogan is dying, he asks ... dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, ”Erdogan continued,“ I beseech you with Allah, you pity me an unfortunate orphan, otherwise everyone pounds me and wants to eat passion, I’m crying. And the other day, Merkel and Obama hit on the head with a block, so he fell down and found himself forcibly. Lost in my life, worse than any dog ​​... Erdogan ran to the first mailbox and put a precious letter in the slot ... Lulled by sweet hopes, he slept soundly an hour later ... He dreamed of a stove. Putin sits on the stove with his bare legs dangling and reads a letter to the State Duma deputies ..... A labrador Connie walks around the stove and twirls his tail ...
  11. sa-ag
    sa-ag 28 June 2016 07: 33
    +3
    Erdogan did not apologize there, but expressed sympathy and condolences, and this is addressed generally to the family of the deceased pilot, moreover, the type was released that killed the pilot and Erdogan established relations with Israel in one noteworthy area, well, as a gesture, compensation for the plane and loss breadwinner family. and this is already addressed to the first person
  12. isker
    isker 28 June 2016 07: 45
    -4
    a couple of more (but rather a couple) months and the Kremlin "chimes" will be kissing Erdog * ndona in the anus up to the gums! "Turkish Stream" is orders of magnitude cheaper than others, and money, and only money, is running the show in the Kremlin, so there will be no "we remember, we know, we will not forgive" - ​​they spat - they wiped themselves out! that is why the scum "screeches" turindustrovskaya - they gave free rein to mow ...
    By the way - "I am sincerely sorry for a bunch of people who were left without work. And there are many left. And those who were engaged in fruits and vegetables, and who used textiles, carried jeans-sheepskin coats." - somehow purple (and - dark) to the suffering and hardships of a Turkish citizen - I somehow have my own citizens, that is, the country's economy is more worried about, one joy remains - another extension of sanctions ...
  13. Arkan
    Arkan 28 June 2016 08: 04
    +3
    Erdogan growled like a tiger, and apologizes like a shitting puppy, whining softly with his tail between his legs. The Ottomans have not changed since the times of Suvorov and Kutuzov, the current Turkish "Izmail" fell once again, again Europe did not help the Turks, once again leaving them at the mercy of Russia. The terms of a peace treaty, for the Ottomans, should be tough, like the Kuchuk-Kainardzhiys.
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 28 June 2016 08: 59
      +2
      For this, Cagul and Chesma are not enough.
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 28 June 2016 09: 26
        +3
        Lacks. The independence of the Turkish Kurds, and the integrity of Syria, must be confirmed on paper.
        1. Kenneth
          Kenneth 28 June 2016 09: 50
          -1
          And you are ready to say let's pay part of the salary for the formation of the Kurdish state and for the restoration of Syria.
  14. igorka357
    igorka357 28 June 2016 08: 04
    0
    The article seems to be not bad, and everything seems to be on the case, but ... the style of presenting the text is just awful, I honestly broke my eyes laughing !
  15. Kenneth
    Kenneth 28 June 2016 08: 11
    -3
    Ours put forward the conditions of reconciliation, voiced them. The Turks seem to have accepted these conditions. What the author is not satisfied with is not entirely clear. It is necessary to fight with the whole world. One small but proud bird. And for me, friendship and partnership are better than squabbles. With which of the neighbors Russia did not have graters.
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 30 June 2016 10: 13
      0
      Quote: Kenneth
      Ours put forward the conditions of reconciliation, voiced them.

      the fact that our conditions have been put forward there are no questions, but about
      Quote: Kenneth
      The Turks seem to have accepted these conditions.

      I wonder where is THIS taken from? I haven’t heard a single word "sorry" from Erdogan. so we'll see how Shmulenson said, getting into a sack of flour, and sho can come out of it ... hi
  16. ava09
    ava09 28 June 2016 08: 13
    +2
    (c) It is clear that now every wiseacre who has reached the keyboard will publish his interpretation of what happened. (c)
    What self-criticism, BRAVO ...
  17. Nova
    Nova 28 June 2016 08: 25
    +5
    Yesterday, when I tried to write at the same forum, a hundred Erdogan didn’t apologize, and he also released Oleg Peshkov’s killer, they tried to me to blame. You can’t trust Erdogan, only after the termination of Turkey’s interaction with the Ishilovites, only after making an apology on TV - and you will have to think about it.
  18. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 28 June 2016 08: 37
    +2
    What can all this result in? I am both for and against. On the one hand, the insolence of our southerners (Sochi, Anapi, Gelendzhik) is already off scale. Service "0", tearing three skins. I will gladly go to the Mediterranean to sunbathe. But ... Turkish tomatoes have already been taken out. All shops and markets have only Azerbaijani. Where does so much tomato come from in Azerbaijan? Where the real ones are Uzbek. It remains to wait for the embargo to be lifted from Poland, then it’s generally kapets.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 28 June 2016 09: 41
      +2
      real uzbek in moscow. If you live beyond the Urals and in the market they tell you that this is one hundred percent Uzbekistan does not believe right away. Uzbekistan, too, is not rubber and it is simply impossible to supply tomatoes to all markets of the Russian Federation. And the land there is not so much that you can plant. There is also a problem with cotton fields (where nicherta does not grow after depletion) and lack of water for irrigation.
  19. then
    then 28 June 2016 08: 58
    +3
    For Russia, apologies are not so necessary as concrete actions. If Turkey wants to return the tourist flow from Russia, then the gate to ISIS must be closed and then on the list ...
  20. Wolka
    Wolka 28 June 2016 09: 05
    +1
    Turks believe in not respecting themselves, it has always been so, Russia doesn’t pop other people's sins, let Erdogan let all his sins for him, well, or the devil, who likes it better, Russia needs to be firm and principled in bringing things to an end, Erdogan must leave politics, and forever ...
  21. iliya87
    iliya87 28 June 2016 10: 20
    +1
    Let's look at the continuation. Erdogan, in order to rectify the situation, in addition to paying compensation to the family and the Defense Ministry, must apologize publicly!
  22. peta locksmith
    peta locksmith 28 June 2016 10: 22
    +4
    Quote: andre
    Nefig remove the sanctions, only the greenhouse business began to improve, and then they will explode with their tomatoes. We must create a petition, Putin, do not cancel the sanctions. Yes, and without their consumer goods you can live. And who is going to these dba .... am going to the sea? They damn us like cattle, after the Chechen wars, here are the Germans, people, let them count on them !!!
    Do everything in Turkish, take the money for the plane, pay compensation to relatives and ..... send on foot erotic!

    for sure! do everything in turkish!
    let the farther apologize to herself, but let even the floor be in front of V.V.P. licks!
    the main thing is not to remove sanctions from the tour and from the products!
    in our stores, there is an increase in greenhouse tomatoes and cucumbers at the local vegetable farm, and milk is generally local!
    Turkish junk has been dispensed with for a long time and all our relatives and friends too ....
    And let the rags in Russia establish production ...
  23. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 28 June 2016 10: 55
    0
    27.06.16 has been sued in Turkey for crimes against humanity in Germany. Two hundred pages of prosecution and the example of Milosevic, Hussein and Gaddafi will be worse than tomatoes and tourists.
  24. atamankko
    atamankko 28 June 2016 11: 51
    +2
    So another wrestler got tired of defeating Russia,
    only you can’t believe him, and all the more so.
  25. maai
    maai 28 June 2016 12: 04
    0
    Unreadable.
    On the fourth sentence, you can safely put the last point. Throw the first three.
  26. Mestny
    Mestny 28 June 2016 13: 09
    -1
    Quote: Vladimirets
    And here I see that if the Turks also pay compensation, then Russia leaves this story with the highest reputation gain.

    How, Russia, and with the highest gain? Are you kidding!
    Chew! I hear distant peals of explosions of farts of all-weepers.
    No, that's not it. There, experts already pulled themselves together, violently proving that the translation was incorrect, and, in general, out of tune.
  27. denchik1977
    denchik1977 28 June 2016 13: 41
    +4
    Erdogan's apology for the downed SU-24 bomber can be considered completely belated. Firstly, an apology from Turkey in relation to the incident with the SU-24 had to be made within a few days, and secondly, the "apology from Erdogan" sounded at the moment when the Russian Aerospace Forces caused serious enough damage to the "family oil business. "Erdogan and Moscow began to openly help the Kurds in their fight against Turkey, thirdly, in the first two months since the beginning of the tourist season, Turkey suffered losses in the amount of at least $ 2-3 billion, Turkish agricultural producers and construction companies are suffering quite serious losses, which in turn has a very negative effect on the banking sector of Turkey itself, fourthly, after "Brexit", Turkey's chances of obtaining a visa-free regime with the European Union have completely vanished, fifthly, NATO, and especially the United States, made it very clear that to intercede for Turkey in a possible conflict with Russia, they will not.
    Ps: Actually, Recep Tayyip Erdogan had to apologize to Russia publicly and in front of television cameras, and not in the epistolary genre in the form of "I am writing to you, what more ..."
    PPs: the country's top leadership and Vladimir Putin personally, having even received a written apology from Erdogan, must remember one simple truth: "Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes" ("Fear the Danaans who bring gifts"), because Erdogan's "sincerity" is not worth it and a broken penny, because the meanness, deceit and licimerism of the Turks has been proven repeatedly ...
  28. Lieutenant colonel
    Lieutenant colonel 28 June 2016 13: 46
    +1
    Why only the pilot's family. Our Marine Pozynich was killed by his "Perdogan" filth. Why is there silence about him?
    Bolt him, not a good attitude. I think to be continued .....
  29. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 28 June 2016 15: 35
    -4
    It doesn’t matter how: bom or bom bom, Erdogan did, they told him what he had to do, he would do it, he had no choice. Another question is economic. Because of the stupidity of one person, laying a cross in interstate relations will not be of much use. Therefore, if a catastrophe did not happen, you need to make sure that there is always the opportunity to change something. They will fulfill the conditions, then we will see what Klava is ready for. Nobody will smile, Turkey will not let us relax.
  30. Castor oil
    Castor oil 28 June 2016 19: 58
    +3
    These Turkish "apologies" remind me of something, something like: "The plane was shot down, but you hold on there, all the best to you"
    Somehow negative
  31. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 28 June 2016 20: 56
    +7
    Well, the day has passed, let me draw the line, colleagues. There was no apology - the statement of Erdogan's administration, read the press yourself. There will be no compensation, read there. And they do not need them, their filthy compensation. Couldn't a country like Russia be able to build itself a new plane and raise the children of the deceased hero? Why so much talk about penny, nationwide, compensation? And now we all, the whole country, starting with Peskov and ending with the last commentator on this forum, look like naive suckers who were once again divorced by the son of a Turkish citizen, disgracing in front of the whole world. "Who apologized? I apologized ?! But the Turks are not giving up! The Russians themselves want a renewal of relations, so they lie like gray geldings and believe in their own lies." And if after all this VVP communicates with this dibiloid on the phone, there will be an absolute Achtung and a complete loss of face. Something like this.
  32. Beefeater
    Beefeater 28 June 2016 21: 46
    +2
    Well, the Turks are clearly some kind of unpredictable.
    I won’t apologize to anyone.
    I will apologize.
    Now - no, I won’t again ...
    And all this turns out to be necessary for Russia.
    It can be compared by the degree of dope only with one NATO moron who went to a confidential meeting with Putin with a voice recorder in his pocket.
  33. Rock616
    Rock616 28 June 2016 21: 57
    +2

    This ISHAK KAZLAMORDOV should not be forgiven, much less be friends with him stop stop am
  34. Rock616
    Rock616 28 June 2016 22: 07
    +5
    You can’t help this rat-haired creature free itself from the trap (into which he himself voluntarily climbed), let him gnaw off his paw, or his head and rot there angry
  35. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 28 June 2016 22: 56
    0
    As soon as the reserve of coolness was over, and it became clear that, except for Ukraine, no one in Turkey’s allies wants to be friends against Russia, then here is the result.

    As soon as the smell of coolness around Erdogan ended, another smell began to be clearly felt: the smell of liquid feces flowing through pants made of expensive fabric. Here is the result of all the attempts.
  36. Olena
    Olena 29 June 2016 10: 51
    +3
    Sadly .., but Russia demonstrates a poorly concealed joy and readiness to re-enclose Turkey in its all-forgiving embrace ... -And very soon Russia will again "pick up" .., "wash off the shit" of this fetid Erdogan and again start "close friendly partnership relations "... -There have already begun the appointment of negotiations by phone with Turkey ... and so on ... -And the goods are" Turchin "..., they will simply change the" label "and they went to Russian counters ... and will continue to stay on these counters ... -Nothing, actually, has changed ...
    -I.A. Krylov has a wonderful fable, but in this fable there is a wonderful phrase ... "

    "And therefore my custom:
    With wolves, do not do world otherwise
    How to skin them off. "
    And then he released a pack of hounds on the Wolf. "

    -But, to my great regret, all this remains only in a fable ... -Yes, and it's not even a nasty erdoganchik ... -The worst thing is that Russia is again ready to put up with Turkey and as soon as possible ... -that's what trouble ... -Once again, the universal belief that a good Erdoganchik emerges or whoever else will replace him ... -What with an Erdoganchik, that without Erdoganchik, Turkey has always been, is and will be a mortal enemy for Russia for all ages ... And Russia again makes a big tragic slack and a mistake ... -It would not become irreversible ...
  37. Old warrior
    Old warrior 29 June 2016 11: 58
    0
    Yes ... well ... it’s disgusting somehow .... I want something Light. Good.
  38. Brigadier
    Brigadier 29 June 2016 13: 19
    +4
    Politics is politics, but if our leadership pretends to have accepted these veiled passages of Erdogan as a complete set of apologies from the 3 conditions voiced by Putin, then our people will finally be disappointed in such a guide ... For how much can you endure a lot of situations when about us they openly wipe their feet (sanctions, an anti-doping campaign, etc.), and do our bonuses only dismiss sluggishly, or do they sometimes even begin to repent of our sins made up by the West? It just sometimes becomes disgusting. But our people are not blind, they see everything, and although often people are silent, they understand everything. But ahead, a year later, looms October 17th ...
  39. NordUral
    NordUral 29 June 2016 13: 54
    0
    You are still very kind, Roman. Russia's answer must be thought out and cruel.
  40. Naladchik
    Naladchik 29 June 2016 20: 48
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    The weird “vicious comments,” however. And the comments themselves too.
    What does it cost only: “Ah ... what to take from a Turk, except for rotten tomatoes?”,
    And what to take nothing? From these animals?
    Well, for example:
    1. Exit from NATO (And forever!).
    2. Straits (So that not a single adversary entered the Russian Sea!).
    And further down the list ....
    Otherwise, Erdik’s “friend”, we’re with the “partners” because of the “puddle”,
    We’ll try hard to solve the Kurdish issue in our favor.
    Something like that.
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 29 June 2016 22: 20
      +1
      Yes nafig.

      They themselves will be kicked out of NATO. They have now played too much with terrorists, supplying them with finances, weapons, "not noticing" how they cross the border. So now chaos will begin to intensify there. As the overseas friends yell - "help!", So they will immediately "democratically" replace the leader, and he will withdraw the country from NATO, after which NATO members themselves will start bombing them.

      And the straits - as long as the USA and England are strong, they will not be given to us, right up to military intervention. Here you can jointly own them. And then begin to steer quietly. This option is possible.
      soldier
    2. lukewarm
      lukewarm 30 June 2016 17: 30
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      Quote: Naladchik
      we are with the "partners" because of the "puddle",
      We’ll try hard to solve the Kurdish issue in our favor.

      You can't solve anything with these partners. They have stupidly more money, and they will buy the Kurds on the vine. And "partners" have been working with them for a long time. We divided the spheres: We are with Assad, they are with the Kurds. And they won't let us into their zone. Assad, like Erdagan, does not need a Kurdish state. Therefore, if we start helping the Kurds (even if we are not late), everything that will be delivered to them will sooner or later fly to Assad, read in us. Well, the rest of the requirements can be fantastic. The Montreux Convention has been in effect since 1936. And then suddenly R-times and did not give a damn about her ... Erdik and then apologized in a whisper, to the side and through clenched teeth. They were ours inflated. What exactly happened during this time that he should give up the straits?
  41. Naladchik
    Naladchik 29 June 2016 22: 49
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    Quote: Shurik70


    And the straits - as long as the USA and England are strong, they will not be given to us, right up to military intervention. Here you can jointly own them. And then begin to steer quietly. This option is possible.
    soldier


    In common use, better northern Cyprus, wink and straits in the sense that strangers do not go (additional agreement). bully
  42. Sedoy
    Sedoy 30 June 2016 12: 39
    +2
    in the Kremlin, the tomatoes ran out ...
    but as threatened - they won’t get off with tomatoes ... :)
    got off ...
    no apology, no compensation ...
  43. lukewarm
    lukewarm 30 June 2016 17: 21
    +1
    Y-yes. So don't believe in the world behind the scenes. How much "steel" there was in the voice on both sides. Then suddenly one apologized. Then it turned out that he did not seem to apologize, but mumbled something ... From our side: "Peremoga! Perdagan crawled on all fours!" And r-times to celebrate - unblock tourism !!!! AND!!! Day of Victory, independence and reconciliation in one bottle at tour operators !!! "Tagil rules" will go to pee in the pool again !!!! The meaning of life has returned to "tourism" ... Sorry, I'm waiting for the minuses, but there is a feeling that there is someone on top of both sides, the one who is even more "sultan", because it does not shine, quietly and clearly said what to do and how to justify ... Well, we can only hope that our policy is "pragmatic and non-ideologized" and we got something there in some secret protocols. If they do not throw it again, as with the expansion of NATO in its time. A kind of non-aggression pact, like in 1939. Then we are waiting for the new 1941? Ready?
  44. Demo
    Demo 30 June 2016 20: 18
    0
    GDP has one unique talent ... It turns any minus into a plus .....
    Those who followed the entire situation with the downed plane not narrowly, but on the scale of world geopolitics, they understand that all the steps were taken perfectly afterwards ... Well, Vladimir Vladimirovich, I can only bow low to your mind and quick wits!
  45. Demo
    Demo 30 June 2016 20: 25
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    Quote: denchik1977
    Apologies from Erdogan regarding the downed bomber SU-24 can be considered completely late.

    in vain you are so ... the time has come and an apology was brought ... this is a great game .. and there are no trifles in it
  46. alex_V15
    alex_V15 30 June 2016 22: 52
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    The first paragraph is completed.
    Putin? And what about Vladimir Vladimirovich?
    I did everything right. As he said then, what conditions he set, it acts. Everything is in strict accordance.
    The perpetrators of the terrorist attack immediately were a Russian by birth. The other two are residents of the CIS. And - not a word that Russia is to blame! And to blame - only ISIS! Progress. So educated. It's good.
    So Erdogan will be able to quietly drain his support for ISIS. And after that - with the Islamic State in the northern part (and the eastern one too) - that's all.
    And Europe is fun now ...
    I wonder where the components of the UK will carry?
    Maybe after all - and to us!
  47. Rock616
    Rock616 1 July 2016 01: 02
    0
    Russians are not being made ....
  48. sergo42
    sergo42 1 July 2016 20: 02
    +1
    No clear apologies, no compensation, just rubbed at the top and all. Traders on both sides tend to hush everything quietly.
  49. diwtsar
    diwtsar 4 July 2016 09: 09
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    THROWING "SULTANA" AS A PREVENTION OF APOCALYPSE (APAGAL APSOS)

    It is amazing how recently politicians, political scientists and various experts on international and local countries have intensified: apparently, in connection with the sharply increased number of political events and incidents on various fronts. Not to mention individual commentators on the Internet who are able to reason, who are also in a hurry to share their thoughts with others in connection with certain known facts about what affects the lives of many. But they all have one and the same problem: they think after the events and try to draw conclusions based on the messages that the media are promoting just according to politicians and political scientists of a different palette of political color. And all of them, including those recognized by the society of experts, detailing the events and proving retroactively that everything should have been exactly like this and not otherwise, for some reason modestly hold back that they did not foresee this, or claim that they said this, they just did not hear them and did not publish them, but the trouble is: the links to their statements of these facts do not confirm ... What is the matter? And all in the same - a closed paradigm of thinking, in which they only know how to think because of the fact that they were taught just that ...
    This is especially characteristic in connection with the events following Erdogan’s letter to Putin, which immediately caused a stir in the press and among politicians and experts in this field. But, apparently, none of them understood the most important thing in what happened, which is what all the statements heard so far are talking about. Because, as they say, they don’t see forests behind trees ... Well, let’s try to explain the meaning of the events, although we’re not sure that those who are used to perceiving the world through the prism of an imposed reality will be able to realize this ...

    The fact that Erdogan backed down and even if he did not apologize, however, in his letter stated that he regretted what had happened, and this, given the incredible aplomb of the contender for the title of the main Turk in the world, can already be considered an apology! And that is exactly how they understood him: not only Putin, who immediately went to meet (surprisingly, after all the previous confrontation! Does it bother you?) And phoned him under the pretext of condolences in connection with the terrorist attacks, and at the same time promising to lift the RF sanctions imposed against Turkey in the fields of tourism, export of goods and construction. The main thing is that it was understood in this way and overseas, as evidenced by the sharp rebuke given to Nuland "Sultan" for his inappropriate behavior, according to, it must be understood, not only her opinion. I quote literally: Victoria Nuland, the official representative of the US State Department, after a long silence (oh!), Finally commented on Erdogan's message to Vladimir Putin.

    “Erdogan’s behavior towards Russia surprised us very much, we did not expect this from him. All the apologies that he brought to Russia, we consider inappropriate. Turkey, as a NATO country, has greatly disappointed us. We would like to receive all the explanations regarding the apology from him personally. ”

    The long silence of US officials about the beginning of the normalization of relations between Russia and Turkey is explained by the fact that no one wanted to believe in Erdogan’s message.
    Now the United States has embarked on the stage of intimidating its partner: “If Ankara does confirm its position and admits that it is ready to apologize and pay compensation, then Washington will have to change its attitude towards Turkey,” Victoria Nuland threatened.
    1. diwtsar
      diwtsar 4 July 2016 09: 26
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      Renegades and apostates have never been respected by anyone. And in this case, such a betrayal is for someone else, but for the world's strongest superpower, accustomed to the fact that it can throw everyone, but if they are thrown, it is unacceptable! And even if Erdokhan has his own claims to the behavior of the US government, both in the issue of supporting the Kurds and in refusing to support Turkey in the event of a conflict with Russia - they say, these are your internal showdowns, and NATO has nothing to do with it ... But these grievances are for The White House do not mean anything, because they believe that the main state in the world has the right to act as they see fit, and the rest, especially the satellites, should only keep quiet with their opinions and only follow in the wake of the policy they indicated, and any deviation from this , especially when it comes to rapprochement with the only real military enemy for them, it is generally unforgivable and punishable. That is why they threatened ... And how can this be expressed? Sanctions? Well, what kind of sanctions can be applied to a NATO member? This is nonsense! As a threat - yes, a demand to change behavior, otherwise ... What? This is the point! Now, if Turkey is expelled from NATO - this is a weighty argument, then it will be possible to impose sanctions ... But this is if the "sultan" does not change his mind ... It seems that the main Turk fell into the trap of zugzwang, from which there is no way out, and any step only worsens the situation ... From this point of view, it becomes clear the act of the Russian leader, who immediately responded to such a forced, gritting teeth, step of the chief commissar: it is unlikely that the leadership of the Russian Federation so quickly forgot all his mischief and opposition, if not - hostile actions. However, the Kremlin must have easily figured out what would be fraught with Turkey and its owner if the Russian Federation seemingly goes to improve relations, demonstrating to the whole world its benevolence and forgivingness - another thing is how and what conditions will be put forward: one must think, rather difficult to fulfill not only for Turkey, but especially for her ambitious master. But the main thing is not even this, but the fact that the newly-minted "sultan" here found himself in a trap, to which his own disposition and thinking abilities, characteristic of the Turks, who think at the level of the Middle Ages and savage categories of the use of force and bribery, unwillingness to admit the obvious , as, for example, the Armenian Genocide in 1915, imposing on the whole world its idea of ​​reality and even its own distorted understanding of history (and this is not to mention some schizophrenic statements about the great discoveries allegedly made by the wild ancestors of the Turks!), which at the beginning of 21 centuries already look like a clear anachronism. And the cunning and meanness typical of them, like deception and betrayal ("stab in the back"!), Sooner or later had to appear, which is what happened - "the red cow will not change its color" ...
  50. diwtsar
    diwtsar 4 July 2016 09: 10
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    Erdokhan, as a typical "smart Turk", together with his relatives, led the country into a situation from which there is no way out according to the old patterns of politics: he had to change with his fellow tribesmen, becoming more civilized, which seemed to have been promised to the world for 100 years. But this would lead to the collapse and disappearance of the actual power of the Turks as the descendants of nomadic robbers and them in general as an ethnos parasitizing the peoples of Asia Minor, albeit not immediately, but that this would inevitably happen - it is obvious to any far-sighted and able to think soberly, in that including not so stupid for the Turks representatives of their elite, often from a completely different ethnic group, who do not lose hope for the restoration of the Ottoman bandit state and who think in terms of Pan-Turkism. From their point of view, games of democratization cannot but lead to the death of their barbarian tribe, which is generally a fair judgment, but this suggests the only conclusion for their understanding: a rollback to the past, typical forms of relationships for them, both with others and with their subjects. , in a word - to neo-Ottomanism. The problem for them is that in our time, even taking into account the largely outdated political considerations of the authorities of many countries, no one can like this anymore: everyone remembers the not so long past and cannot but understand what the newly-minted Fuhrer of the bandit state can do , using stupidity and unquestioning obedience to the lord of inhuman barbarians ... So Erdohan, thinking that he had found a way out of a desperate situation, in fact got out of the fire and into a fire and only worsened his situation with Turkey, even if at first glance everything was for him and the country outwardly looks like an improvement ... But this is short-lived, as evidenced by the signal sent to him by Nuland, and very soon he will have to take concrete steps indicating his choice, and here with a cunning letter, where he contrived to apologize without an apology, now it is no longer will manage to get rid of ... But in any case, his act in itself clearly showed everyone who he really is together with his own kind: traitors and deserters, no one does not respect and treat accordingly ... And they punish, repaying according to their deeds ...

    One would think that all this is a multi-way combination, developed somewhere by the backstage arbiters of the destinies of countries and their rulers, but this does not at all resemble and does not at all coincide with what they did before, since, on the contrary, they it was always in every way possible to cooperate with all the authorities of the Turks, whether Ottomans or Young Turks of Ataturk, helping them even when it seemed that the power of a gang of bandits, who had ridden peoples and forcibly assimilating them by turning them into their own kind, was doomed to disappear. But just thanks to the support of backstage schemers in power in a strange way, the state of the Turks remained in order to continue to continue their destructive activities. The question is, why is it to the masters of the world to change their tactics and preferences? No, they obviously have nothing to do with what happened, on the contrary, they will try to help the doomed here too, but the situation has already reached such a critical stage that there is no chance either for the Turkish tribe or their leader at all in the future ...