Russia strikes at the American monopoly in providing information about satellites in near-earth orbit

The head of the Russian delegation Viktor Shilin, participating in the 59 session of the United Nations Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space for Peaceful Purposes, announced the plans of the Russian Federation to publish information on the satellite constellation in open access mode. This is actually about creating an alternative to the American catalog NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command), which today is a monopolist in providing information about space objects. The statement about such plans of Russia is published by the newspaper. "News".

The plans of Russia - to provide complete data not only on civilian satellites, but also on objects that relate to the so-called space debris. The Russian delegation notes that such a publication will significantly increase the level of safety of space flights and create special conditions for the transparent coverage of the work of satellites from different countries in near-earth orbit. The Russian initiative was supported by China.
Strongly oppose the United States.

It must be assumed that the American "partners" fear that in the "space debris" section Russia may publish data on US spy satellites, which abound in orbit. Moreover, military satellites of other NATO states are in outer space. Therefore, the United States is eager to remain a monopolist in terms of providing information about the active satellite constellation.

From the very peculiar "soothing" American "partners" material of the newspaper:

Americans can not worry about declassifying the orbital data of their military spacecraft - this will happen anyway.

Comments

[dmi.pris1]

Better yet, give the sworn partners a disuse .. Let yourself fly ..

[Lukich]

Quote: dmi.pris

Better yet, give sworn partners a misinformation.

what kind of misinformation? You can’t hide anything in space. all (with appropriate technology) know everything perfectly

[Temples]

Indeed, why bother?
We know about "neighbors" in space and debris.
Afraid that Finland and Paraguay will find out where anyone flies?

[andj61]

It must be assumed that the American "partners" fear that in the "space debris" section Russia may publish data on US spy satellites, which are plentiful in orbit. Moreover, in outer space there are military satellites of other NATO states.

Quote: Temples

Indeed, why bother?
We know about "neighbors" in space and debris.
Afraid that Finland and Paraguay will find out where anyone flies?

Indeed, all who need it, and so everyone knows. Now the only open source is the NORAD directory, now there will be another open source. And the very presence and orbital location of spy satellites is not a secret for the main space powers. Based on this information, Roscosmos is unlikely to make even money. Just one more type of fascinating activity will be discovered - to compare among themselves the data of Roscosmos and NORAD about satellites and draw thoughtful conclusions based on the analysis of this comparison!

[bulvas]

Presumably, the American "partners" fear that in the "space debris" section Russia may publish data on US spy satellites,

Officially not declared by the Americans satellites - spies will call simply - garbage that officially does not belong to anyone

Quote: siberalt

So, why then do we ourselves launch American satellites from Baikonur and help their monopolies?

Quote: Amurets

And they launched it from the Svobodny cosmodrome for Israel. Who forgot, the former military cosmodrome next to the "Vostochny". Who cares what and to whom you google, there is in the internet.

- So officially declared satellites are one thing, even if they are dual-use and another thing is secret, which many perceive as space debris

[Lukich]

Quote: bulvas

which many perceive as space debris

and who are many? rubbish refers to spent carrier steps, spent satellites, etc. you can’t confuse the working satellite with garbage and you cannot disguise it as garbage.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Temples

Indeed, why bother?
We know about "neighbors" in space and debris.
Afraid that Finland and Paraguay will find out where anyone flies?

They are afraid that humanity will once again be convinced that the era of "peaceful" space is over and that at present its militarization is in full swing.

[siberalt]

So, why then do we ourselves launch American satellites from Baikonur and help their monopolies?

[Amurets]

Quote: siberalt

So, why then do we ourselves launch American satellites from Baikonur and help their monopolies?

And they launched it from the Svobodny cosmodrome for Israel. Who forgot, the former military cosmodrome next to the "Vostochny". Who cares what and to whom you google, there is in the internet.

[OlegLex]

[quote = sibiralt] So why then we ourselves launch the American satellites from Baikonur and help their monopoly [/ [quote = sibiralt]
Why not, but for what? For the money naturally.
In general, the very situation of the launch of the American spy satellite by the Russian country from its space center, by its specialists ... This is just some kind of holiday

[Lukich]

Quote: OlegLex

In general, the very situation of the launch of the American spy satellite by the Russian country from its space center, by its specialists ... This is just some kind of holiday

Yes, someone told you such nonsense that we are launching American spy satellites ?????? Do you think they are sitting there and the cat in the bag is launched ???? may be enough to believe that some live in Russia !!!!!!!

[Penzuck]

Quote: siberalt

So, why then do we ourselves launch American satellites from Baikonur and help their monopolies?

Does the Russian Federation launch the USA's spy satellites from Baikonur?
Still, the monopoly is in the information sphere, and not in the technical one.

[romex1]

for this list and let’s just we have a catalog and more accurate than the notorious NORAD

[iliitchitch]

Quote: siberalt

So, why then do we ourselves launch American satellites from Baikonur and help their monopolies?

Oh yes, we are the cat Leopold. Turn inside out for the sake of peace on the Planet. Amerikaki - stupid kazls, but they work systemically, scum.
We have 3D mockups, and they are already approaching a 100-tonnochka, about 10 years old before the regular launch. It's time for the moon guys, is there a political will? Or, again, will we scoop up the gusts named after Korolev?

[Alex_59]

Quote: siberalt

So, why then do we ourselves launch American satellites from Baikonur and help their monopolies?

We launch American commercial satellites. No problem. Both German and others. Normal business. This has nothing to do with the military.

[Lukich]

Quote: siberalt

So, why then do we ourselves launch American satellites from Baikonur and help their monopolies?

still not so run. and not spy companions. launched for example 1 American, and then this money 2 of their own. space is the same business

[GSH-18]

Strongly oppose the United States.

Naturally! After all, now everyone will know where to play with anti-satellite missiles, if what!

[iliitchitch]

Quote: GSH-18

Naturally! After all, now everyone will know where to play with anti-satellite missiles, if what!

But the Chelyabinsk meteorite haunts me. What was IT, colleagues? Something flashed this shit at least on the first space one. Venezuelans think that this our air defense worked, and we still have hypers on trials. Is the darkest dark? So what was that? The meteorite fell apart, the destruction is minimal. Lucky again, as with the Tunguska?

[Teberii]

An interesting idea is to see how cluttered the near space is.

[guzik007]

An interesting idea is to see how cluttered the near space is.
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as I remember, in the early 80s, data were published that about 5 thousand different objects, from satellites to lost wrenches, were worn in near-Earth space. and they were all tracked by the Soviet still relevant services. THOSE. each wrench had its own index. number, tracked trajectory, etc. Now it’s probably an order of magnitude more, but, I think, everything is marked, everything is marked.

[Alex_59]

Quote: Teberii

An interesting idea is to see how cluttered the near space is.

Yes, look at health. Right now online:
http://www.n2yo.com

True, there are not exactly those same American military satellites. There is a list, but you can’t look at them. And there are no orbital parameters either.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Alex_59

True, there are not exactly those same American military satellites. There is a list, but you can’t look at them. And there are no orbital parameters either.

Not all at once You can't mock the "world hegemon" too much A little later lay out

[aszzz888]

Russia may publish data on US spy satellites, which are plentiful in orbit.

Why not? Let them gnaw their ears and blasphemed in all the latrine!

[Dmitry Potapov]

But this is really a blow, and a crushing blow!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Russia strikes at the American monopoly in providing information about satellites in near-earth orbit

right "star wars" begin ...

[atalef]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

right "star wars" begin ...

I honestly did not quite understand. What's the problem ? and why is it presented almost like some kind of blow?
as I understand . The American catalog is also in the public domain.
countries that are engaged in launching and launching satellites and so on know all this, but for those who don’t, it’s kind of like nafig.
maybe I'm wrong ?

[engineer74]

You are wrong! If you do not have the "necessary technologies" and you need to do something unnoticed by the US / NATO, then climb into the Russian catalog and calmly choose the "window"! That's the whole point of "retaliation".

[Polite Moose]

Quote: engineer74

climb into the Russian catalog and calmly choose the "window"! That's the whole point of "retaliation".

I completely agree. I think that the first edition of the catalog of space objects will be in Chinese (at the request of many workers).

[abrakadabre]

If you do not have the "necessary technologies" and you need to do something unnoticed by the US / NATO, then climb into the Russian catalog and calmly choose the "window"!

And what prevents to climb their resource and take open information? Or is there a paid registration indicating to whom and why this or that information is required? This is another matter. That a monopolist can, for its internal reasons, put not all into open access or indicate inaccurate information about certain objects.

[edeligor]

Quote: abrakadabre

And what prevents to climb their resource and take open information?

Are you sure it is complete? Competition is the best for consumers. I am sure that most Western elves consider our country a huge gas station (which is partly right thanks to the Jews of Kudrin), it is just necessary to break off their snobbery.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: atalef

I honestly did not quite understand. What's the problem ? and why is it presented almost like some kind of blow?

Alexander! My regards.
Based on the concern shown by our "American partners", I dare to suggest that their list of space objects has been slightly corrected. And therefore, for those who want to hide something from them, our information about the space group will be of the greatest value. (You can plan and carry out your ground actions and camouflage activities, taking into account the time of flights of spy satellites). Well, for those who have the ability to destroy orbital objects, this information will be like a Bradis table for schoolchildren. (I mean our new very cleverly squinting friends). I have no doubt that they have their own data, but an additional source of information will never be superfluous.

[Tatar 174]

Quote: atalef

maybe I'm wrong ?

Apparently not everything is indicated in the American catalog, and now it will be indicated.

[Amurets]

Quote: Tartar 174

Quote: atalef

maybe I'm wrong ?

Apparently not everything is indicated in the American catalog, and now it will be indicated.

Among the "Garbage" there may be satellites mothballed until better times, which are not paid attention to, but which can suddenly start working at those moments when it is believed that this area is not visible from space.

[Alex_59]

Quote: atalef

I honestly did not quite understand. What's the problem ? and why is it presented almost like some kind of blow?
as I understand . The American catalog is also in the public domain.
countries that are engaged in launching and launching satellites and so on know all this, but for those who don’t, it’s kind of like nafig.
maybe I'm wrong ?

The blow is that now, for example, the Syrians, who do not have their own means of space control, can take advantage of Russian information about the US satellite. And knowing the time of their flight over Syria, take measures to disguise equipment to protect against photo reconnaissance, turn off radars and communications to protect against radio intelligence satellites. And this will allow them, if necessary, to better confront the Americans. True, the basmachi of all countries of the world can do the same. But we do this in response to the actions of the Americans, who have long been openly publishing data on our satellites, i.e. Basmachi in the Caucasus can also get into their catalog and take camouflage measures during the passage of our satellites over them.

[avvg]

If all US military satellites in orbit around the earth are decrypted, it means that it is possible that they may periodically fail.

[Alex_59]

Quote: avvg

If all US military satellites in orbit around the earth are decrypted, it means that it is possible that they may periodically fail.

Deep thought. What does "decrypted" mean and how can they fail periodically? Will we irradiate them with death rays? Science fiction ... Interception of satellites is a very complex problem that has not yet been fully resolved even by the Americans with their missile defense system.

[Polite Moose]

[quote = Alex_59] Intercepting satellites is a complicated problem

Not to mention the response actions of the "intercepted side" in relation to the "intercepting" side.

[meriem1]

If the Americans tensed, then you need to publish faster !!! I want my own \ I don’t want to let him move away ... together with a pointing finger.

[dchegrinec]

Great info! It’s always nice when, by the way, Russia does things that terrify the countries of the West, which insolently become insolent with their imaginary exclusivity. Not to say that you need to get involved in activities to be foolish, but with US satellite countries this is very useful.

[Bramb]

What's the point?
In the relevant services for a long time all in the know. Notes of protest are sent and all in this spirit. Americans discovered our military satellites, we - them. We exchanged letters about this. work has been going on for a long time and is dense.
What level is this article for? No need to produce cheer patriots. Give reliable information.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Bramb

What's the point?

There's a meaning. This will really improve flight safety. In addition to the Russian Federation and the USA, there are other countries engaged in space flights, for them it will be useful.

Most of the NORAD catalog is publicly available, and there are many services on the Web that allow you to track the trajectory of any satellite you are interested in online - as a rule, their data is taken from NORAD. However, at the same time, part of the data on NORAD spacecraft is not laid out in open access, but it coarsens individual data. Along with the US military satellites, NORAD closes information on the defense satellites of the allies - France, Germany, Israel and Japan. But Russian military satellites are presented in the catalog: in particular, according to NORAD open data, a lot of space-related enthusiasts last year tracked the geostationary orbit of the latest Russian military communications satellite, which showed extraordinary mobility.

Read on: http://izvestia.ru/news/619052#ixzz4CHGJ93TG

[ImPerts]

Quote: atalef

I honestly did not quite understand. What's the problem ? and why is it presented almost like some kind of blow?
as I understand . The American catalog is also in the public domain.

Quote: Bramb

What's the point?

Here you can just bury a lot of things. Something not to show, something to show in the form of garbage. And now there will be control on the other hand, which will make it possible to upload more open and complete information in an existing directory.

[Orionvit]

I also somehow do not understand what the point is. Are mattresses afraid that Russia will declassify data on their satellites? I remember that my father told me that back in the 80s, when he stood up on duty on the regiment, the special police officer necessarily issued a printout of titles about fifty. Spy satellites fly over the territory of the unit during the day. That is, at this time, it is necessary to limit the movement of personnel and military equipment on the territory of the unit, but usually the list was immediately sent to the trash. And then everyone knew, and now they also know everything, and everyone knows that everyone knows. I don’t understand what the problem is.

[Evil 55]

In orbit, the devices of only one country are satellites of Russia. The rest is space debris ..

[avg-mgn]

It must be assumed that the American "partners" fear that in the "space debris" section Russia may publish data on US spy satellites, which are plentiful in orbit. Moreover, in outer space there are military satellites of other NATO states.

There is absolutely no need to be afraid (I’m trying to calm them down), you know what we know, let everyone know that we know that you know. Anyway, if someone will take your satellites from orbits, so will we (for now).

[Zomanus]

Russia provides an alternative, nothing more.
There is no need to see war here.
Their information, our information ... nothing more.

[lotar]

It remains to post information about the secret bases of the USA and NATO around the world, the number of employees at these and other facilities, the data of these employees, data on their families and relatives, data on senators receiving material and financial assistance from well-known corporations with anti-Russian ambitions, and much more that will stand across the throat of the Yankees, and I will be calm.

[Zaurbek]

There will simply be a similar catalog to the American one and in two you can get the whole picture. This is like having GPS and Glonnas.

[HAM]

The Yankees got scared, now the information about the drunken Santa Claus will be in the public domain!
But seriously, it’s always a shame to lose a monopoly ..

[Wildfox]

This is how satellite constellations are multiplied by zero, without a single shot and heaps of anti-satellite missiles. I am wondering how now the money will be giggled from the US budget to deliberately blind satellites?

[Old26]

The main thing is that this is not a one-time event, but a permanent one. Then it will be possible to say that yes, a similar resource has appeared for the one that already exists.

Quote: bulvas

- So officially declared satellites are one thing, even if they are dual-use and another thing is secret, which many perceive as space debris

The catalog has all the satellites, both civilian and military. The only difference is that you can find a lot of information about civilians, while the same American military (secret, as they say here) satellites can be designated USA or NROL. Parameters of the orbit will be anyway, weight and dimensions too. As the purpose and status (operational or failed, or mothballed) of a satellite

Quote: romex1

for this list and let’s just we have a catalog and more accurate than the notorious NORAD

Exactly more accurate? Was there an opportunity to compare? Or write to show how much cooler we are than Americans?

Quote: Teberii

An interesting idea is to see how cluttered the near space is.

Cluttered up and pretty much

Quote: Amurets

Among the "Garbage" there may be satellites mothballed until better times, which are not paid attention to, but which can suddenly start working at those moments when it is believed that this area is not visible from space.

They can, Nikolai, they can. But I don’t agree with the fact that they do not pay any attention to them. All potentially dangerous objects in terms of defense are monitored.

[Pitot]

I don’t know, I’m not an expert in these matters, but this is "zhuu - zhu" on the part of the Sshashovites for a reason. Maybe they are hiding something there? Not for third parties ....

[Red_Hamer]

Americans can not worry about declassifying the orbital data of their military spacecraft - this will happen anyway.

That's right, it's too late to drink Borjomi when the liver has fallen off! What did they want? I'm just touching the reaction of the Americans! That's right, and you need them on all "fronts", like cats who shit in their own excrement, and with their nose!

[Neputin]

I can imagine if the Americans go "into denial" and recognize their spy companions as rubbish. And then ours will announce a "subbotnik" for cleaning and disposal of orbital debris. Yes, it's just some kind of holiday. Here the faces will have.

[v.yegorov]

Americans can not worry about declassifying the orbital data of their military spacecraft - this will happen anyway.

And it is advisable to take money for this, as for a service. You can rubles.

[Old26]

Quote: andj61

Indeed, all who need it, and so everyone knows. Now the only open source is the NORAD directory, now there will be another open source. And the very presence and orbital location of spy satellites is not a secret for the main space powers. Based on this information, Roscosmos is unlikely to make even money. Just one more type of fascinating activity will be discovered - to compare among themselves the data of Roscosmos and NORAD about satellites and draw thoughtful conclusions based on the analysis of this comparison!

The NORAD catalog is actually not the only one.

In addition to the catalog NORAD, it is also sometimes called satellite catalog Satellite Catalog Number (SCN) or USSPACECOM There are also a number of other directories that are in the public domain. Just the NORAD catalog is the most informative.
Open part The catalog contains data on almost 12800 objects in the Earth's orbit, the sizes of which exceed 10 cm (for 2009).

The catalog contains the parameters of the orbits of objects in the form two-line elements (TLE). Yes, it is not always that the parameters in the form of two-line elements (TLE) contain data on the orbital parameters of secret US military satellites.

But besides this catalog there is also a catalog NSSDC ID - catalog US National Space Science Data Analysis Center (NSSDC). This structure operates under the auspices of NASA.
It contains the catalog number of each flying space object in orbit and registered in COSPAR. There are also startup tables that contain information from both the NORAD directory and the NSSDC ID directory. You can use Russian-language resources (there would be a desire). but we do not have an OFFICIAL catalog yet.
As an example, you can see how, under what numbers is the US intelligence satellite KN-11-16.
= In the catalog NORAD he has a number 39232
= In the catalog NSSDC ID he has a number 2013-043A
= Has designation of satellites launched in the interests of National Intelligence Agency - number US-245
= Has designation of satellites launched in the interests of US National Aerospace Intelligence Agency - number NROL-65

Quote: abrakadabre

And what prevents to climb their resource and take open information?

As always laziness

Quote: Tatar 174

Apparently not everything is indicated in the American catalog, but now it will be indicated

"Blessed is he who believes". Do you seriously think that everything will be indicated there, incl. and detailed parameters of our reconnaissance satellites? Not sure. Everyone tries to write about their own to a minimum. At one time in an English magazine Space Flight regularly published data from the NORAD and NSSDC ID directories (I don’t know how it is now and if there is any journal at all). About the American only names and some weight and size characteristics, according to the Soviet intelligence satellites - the maximum possible amount

[Old26]

Quote: Pitot

I don’t know, I’m not an expert in these matters, but this is "zhuu - zhu" on the part of the Sshashovites for a reason. Maybe they are hiding something there? Not for third parties ....

Do not look for a black cat in a dark room, especially if she is not there. None of the countries will spread absolutely everything. Even if there are some secret satellites, there will still be a minimum so that there are no emergency situations. And here everything is simple. For half a century, Americans have been monopolists in this type of information. We, having the same catalog, hid it behind the vultures of secrecy. And now we can just press them in this segment of information. Of course they got worried, because it is not clear what to expect from Russia, what kind of catalog it will be, and how informative it will be in comparison with American ones.