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Education, where are you rushing? .. About 40% "excellent students" on the exam in math

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The last June decade is in the yard, which means the time for summing up the Unified State Exam, the time of graduation balls, and also the time of official reports from education about the direction in which the level of competencies of Russian graduates moves in comparison with previous years.


So, about the reports ... Here, as usual, everything is truly great. On the official portal of the Unified State Exam externally positive news overwhelmed each other.

Here are a few news headlines:
The average score for the base exam in mathematics in 2016 increased to 4,14 3,95 score in 2015.


Rosobrnadzor: the number of failed exam in 2016 year has halved.


EGE-2016: the exam is not so terrible as it is painted.


Getting acquainted with the materials presented on the site, you can learn a lot of interesting things. A lot ... It turns out that Russian mathematical education again "storms beyond the clouds", so much so that in the overwhelming majority of cases the basic exam in the "queen of sciences" on the "good" and "excellent" writes the vast majority of 11-graders. No joke ... Everything is quite serious. Press Service of the Rosobrnadzor 16 June of this year publishes a message in which it says that the “basic math” on 5 points passed (attention!) to almost 40% (or more precisely - 39,4%) of Russian graduates.

40 PERCENT REMARKS ON MATHEMATICS !!! Against the background of such a result, even the Soviet school of mathematics, as they say, nervously smokes on the sidelines ... Literally every second graduate is either Perelman or Kolmogorov ...

From a statement by the chairman of the federal commission of developers of measuring measurement materials (in other words, assignments for the Unified State Exam) in mathematics Ivan Yashchenko:

We see that more prepared applicants will come to universities this year.


After such a statement, I want to ask a question: Ivan Valerievich, you, of course, are a respected person, but since when did you decide to troll so thickly the level of training of a modern Russian graduate? Tell me, what kind of mega reserves are there in the domestic, sorry, to all the places of the reformed education system have opened, that we already have 40 eleventh-graders out of a hundred in the exam in one of the most difficult subjects of the school program receive excellent grades?

And Ivan Valeryevich Yashchenko, the person who took the most direct part in the development of the very KIMs (tasks) for the USE, it’s time to admit to himself that his trolling is really thick, and that the system of control measurement tasks with each subsequent year It is built so that at least 1%, but to cover the results of the previous year. Otherwise, there will be drawbacks in the reporting documentation, indicating a drop in the “level of training”, and for officials it’s like a knife in one place ...

If the task bias for the exam in the direction of explicit primitivization persists, then there is a version that in 5-6 the number of “mathematical” (and not only) excellent students in our country will not even 40, but all 80 percent. Why are there eighty ... Give all 100%!

Education, where are you rushing? .. About 40% "excellent students" on the exam in math

Quintessence of Reform


To, so to speak, plunge into the mathematical "thorns" of the modern basic Unified State Examination are a few recent examples from the CIM:
Fractional Task:



When you familiarize yourself with this task, the question again arises, is it exactly an exam for 11 students of the school class, or is it a question of examining the fifth or sixth grade? ..

Here are some more examples:



And this is from the “more complicated” series (“practically uncountable” ... integral calculus cannot be compared in any way ...):



Well, almost Lenin's "step forward, two steps back", if you do not take into account the philosophy that "forward" for a snail, and that "back" for a snail ...

With this type of assignment for 11 grades, the math exam turns into something formal. Moreover, with such an approach to the examination tasks of even the above-mentioned 5-6 years to achieve the 100% of “excellent students” in mathematics, it seems, a bit too much. In order to improve the "quality" of school education, in their reporting compilers of KIM and representatives of the Federal Service for Supervision of Education of the Year through 2-3 will have to enter into the EGE set the tasks from the elementary school mathematics ... Masha has one apple, Petya has two pears - how many fruits do children have? ..

In general, the USE, as they are trying to convince us, is extremely beneficial - and children, on the basis of knowledge about how long the snail will be at the top of the tree, enter higher educational institutions.

It's funny ... No, it's not funny at all ...

But the results of such a unified state examination today are also becoming an instrument of competition between schools.
Marivanna: I have 30 honors from 55.

Poor work, Marivanna; I have 99 from 100! ..

But, as they say, the unified state examination is not the only one ... It is not only by the results of the exams that modern schools “measure up”. The other day ia TASS published a remarkable material, which provides data on how much money the family of schoolchildren in different regions spend on graduation balls. So, in St. Petersburg, “graduating” from school costs about 20 thousand rubles (this is an average of one of the gymnasiums), but on Sakhalin there are frequent cases of graduation balls for 80 thousand per person ...

From TASS material (the words of the mother of one of the graduates):
Everything depends on the status of the school (lyceum, gymnasium or simple school), its location (city or suburb), and of course, on the number of children in the parallel or class. For example, my son is studying in a school in the village of Dalnee (a suburb of Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk). We have one 11 class, in which 13 guys. The cost of the services of the animator (regardless of the number of children) - 40 thousand rubles, DJ with light music - 20 thousand. And in the third gymnasium - 90 graduates, respectively, these services for them are almost an order of magnitude cheaper per person.


Animators, DJs, neon jungles, white limousines with champagne. What else? Order strip, hookah halls, tasting in the wine cellar? Everything - for graduates walking towards adulthood ...

An entire business empire revolves around schoolchildren, ready to offer services ranging from symbolic gifts to teachers and modest hairstyles and dresses to “gifts” to the school in the form of furniture and expensive classrooms (classrooms). And expensive "gifts" - exclusively, you know, voluntarily ... Well, if the school helped prepare so that the child could solve the problem of the cochlea on the USE, so some parents are ready to "voluntarily" roll for the sake of such a budget organization of the mountain ...

Against this background, the information that Russian schoolchildren won the international Olympiad in mathematics and IT or demonstrated a high level of knowledge during a different tournament of intellectuals is perceived, unfortunately, not as a completely ordinary event for our country, but as something that happens contrary to, than thanks ...
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  1. insular
    insular 22 June 2016 06: 14 New
    +6
    Well, graduation parties and then what ?! Parents want to suffer nonsense and spend money on their right. What do you care?
    You probably think that gurgling schools are forcing?

    And I want to note, parents who buy children graduation for 80 thousand - the exam did not pass. They passed, quite racially complete and academically impeccable, exams in Soviet schools ...

    We would better remember how ordinary exams passed. Which did not give up only complete oligophrenics, in spite of all the efforts and help of teachers. And what kind of feeder was when entering the university. How they pulled the medalists, to whom it is disgusting to give gold for gold, about which the teachers said "five write two in the mind."

    USE does not protect, but I do not understand hysteria. Especially when everything is in a heap and balls, and horses, and dog kennels ...
    1. The black
      The black 22 June 2016 06: 38 New
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      USE does not protect, but I do not understand hysteria. Especially when everything is in a heap and balls, and horses, and dog kennels ...
      I agree. I know that the USE has a lot of opponents, but personally I am for it. At least in the exact sciences. Changes, of course, are needed, but the content, not the form, needs to be changed.
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 22 June 2016 06: 53 New
        +8
        Quote: Black
        I agree. I know that the USE has a lot of opponents, but personally I am for it. At least in the exact sciences


        You are for these mate. puzzles for school graduates for oligophrenics?
        In 70 in the 5 class at the exam, we solved problems more difficult.
        And on graduations there were logarithms and integrals ...
        And thisWHAT?! belay fool
        1. The black
          The black 22 June 2016 06: 57 New
          -2
          You are for these mate. puzzles for school graduates for oligophrenics?

          You are not careful smile
          it is necessary to change not the form, but the content.
          1. nadezhiva
            nadezhiva 22 June 2016 08: 37 New
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            What is the argument about? There is a basic exam in mathematics, which does not go anywhere except for the certificate. There is a profile, which goes to enter the university. These are exams that are absolutely different in level. What to take is chosen by children (usually parents).
            People shouting loudly about the dangers and meaninglessness of the exam, NEVER tried to solve the profile option. If they had done it, the cries were about something else: "Do not scoff at the children." Last year's mathematics brought many to a nervous breakdown. And school teachers and tutors. I'm talking about part "C". They said that this year was a rather complicated physics. Surrenders her shaking. Results are only in July. A child who had stable physics in 5 (physical-mat school + tutors) did not manage to solve 3 problems. Nonsense.
            1. andj61
              andj61 22 June 2016 09: 08 New
              +5
              Quote: nadezhiva
              People shouting loudly about the dangers and meaninglessness of the exam, NEVER tried to solve the profile option. If they had done it, the cries were about something else: "Do not scoff at the children."

              good Totally agree! hi
            2. Andrey NM
              Andrey NM 22 June 2016 09: 32 New
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              This year, the profile part is very complex. A basic exam for admission is not needed, a simple formality, but the profile ... Mine also did not have time to do 3 tasks, but did 2 tasks from part "C", so the score is high, but was afraid that he did it wrong. At the same time, he said that they did not solve such tasks at school, and he didn’t have any of them in various "problems" and examples, he did it "on a hunch". The result was waiting on the nerves. By the way, this expectation winds up children even more. And about 80% of graduates scored 3 points and higher in the country, while up to 25% of children were not able to pass profile mathematics (the numbers differ in different regions).
            3. Erg
              Erg 22 June 2016 22: 09 New
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              Quote: nadezhiva
              There is a profile, which goes to enter the university. These are exams that are absolutely different in level. What to take is chosen by children (usually parents).

              There are such concepts as discipline, hard work, the desire to benefit the homeland. Do not forget? And we, with this ege, have taken the next step towards the cultivation of a mentally disabled layer ... I graduated from high school in the 80s, and I remember something else that teachers put into us. And they raised us all as equals in the brain. And if you are a threesome, then this is a shame. And you there "A, B, C" ...
          2. 73petia
            73petia 23 June 2016 00: 01 New
            0
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GNfJut-dyo
        2. Monarchist
          Monarchist 22 June 2016 07: 23 New
          -6
          Field Marshal, I report: sheer dibilism, and my uncle, that in the ass falls from enthusiasm in mathematics, urgently to a fool!
          1. nadezhiva
            nadezhiva 22 June 2016 08: 17 New
            +7
            Quote: Monarchist
            Field Marshal, I report: sheer dibilism, and my uncle, that in the ass falls from enthusiasm in mathematics, urgently to a fool!

            You urgently to the exam in Russian. But in general, because of what is all the fuss? I have the impression that the author of the article is not aware of the topic of passing the exam in mathematics. The jerky examples do not mean anything. Moreover, from the word Absolutely. Advice to the author: You need to solve the WHOLE exam exam package, which goes to enter the university. Then you will laugh at yourself for a long time.
            Do not have fun in the basic version. Let's in profile.
            http://www.ctege.info/ege-po-matematike/dosrochnyiy-ege-po-matematike-2016-profi
            lnyiy-uroven.html
            1. insular
              insular 22 June 2016 08: 46 New
              +3
              Quote: nadezhiva
              I have the impression that the author of the article is not aware of the topic of passing the exam in mathematics

              The author of the article is hypocrites. There is an order to omit the education system in the eyes of the public - done. Threw pictures on public display from the introduction and passed it off for the entire exam. Favored delirium about balls, off-topic pictures and so joyful to himself.
              And this same public, can only bawl about the fact that the USE grows vegetables that do not know how to think critically, while at the same time they are not able to simply check the information about this USE itself.
              In general, this topic is better than any exam revealed individuals with a lack of thinking.
              1. Monarchist
                Monarchist 22 June 2016 11: 22 New
                0
                Hauptmann, let me ask you: who ordered the author to “lower the educational system in the eyes of the public ...”? I’m just sure that the public is trying to convince the USE of the need. I admit that the creators of the exam wanted the best, but it turned out as always.
              2. iwakura
                iwakura 22 June 2016 11: 51 New
                +4
                Not this way.
                Agree, the base part is too simple, its results do not show anything, i.e. assessment in the certificate "nothing at all."
                On the other hand, the profile part is inadequately complex in relation to the level of knowledge and skills given by the school (if you believe the reviews). Thus, the profile part is rented out not by those who are smarter, but whose parents can pour more "dough" into additional classes
                1. nadezhiva
                  nadezhiva 22 June 2016 12: 40 New
                  +5
                  No, that’s not always the case. On the Internet there are most versions of the exam in past years. With solutions to them, by the way. And absolutely free. Here the question is not in the dough, but in the craving for knowledge. More precisely, in enhanced motivation. Interested children and without tutors surf the Internet and decide. Books with olympiad assignments, with USE options cost ridiculous money. Again, the Internet has almost all the answers. Additional classes and money spent on them will go nowhere if the child has no motivation. In this option, the child will practically engage individually with a tutor or in general preparatory classes at the same HSE.
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            3. AK64
              AK64 22 June 2016 09: 25 New
              +3
              You need to solve the whole exam exam package, which goes to enter the university. Then you will laugh at yourself for a long time.
              Do not have fun in the basic version. Let's in profile.


              I looked.
              There are no integrals or derivatives. They are not in the program?
              In principle, all that is on this sheet is the 8th grade in the USSR.

              Trigonometry is also presented primitively.

              Of course, it’s hard for me to calculate the squares of the sines from .... something there, but I can manage to choose something from the answer.

              PS: as before, there is no probability theory or statistics. But this was a very serious drawback of the Soviet program.
              1. nadezhiva
                nadezhiva 22 June 2016 11: 05 New
                +3
                Quote: AK64

                Trigonometry is also presented primitively.
                Of course, it’s hard for me to calculate the squares of the sines from .... something there, but I can manage to choose something from the answer.

                PS: as before, there is no probability theory or statistics. But this was a very serious drawback of the Soviet program.

                You rarely contradict yourself

                If chess player A. plays with white pieces, then he wins chess player B.
                with a probability of 0,5. If A. plays black, then A. wins B.
                with a probability of 0,32. Chess players A. and B. play two games, moreover
                in the second batch they change the color of the figures. Find the probability that A.
                will win both times.

                Statistics, of course, is thought, but God forbid it (thought) is heard in the Ministry of Education. On the topic that it’s difficult for you, I’m afraid that you are disingenuous. Is trigonometry primitive for you and a dip in sine squares?
                The phrase killed. And after this your phrase you boast of your education and spread rot for today's graduates for their knowledge laughing
                something there, but I’ll be able to choose something from the answer.
                My friend, you are a demagogue. Moreover, the highest standard.
                1. AK64
                  AK64 22 June 2016 12: 36 New
                  +1
                  You rarely contradict yourself

                  Not at all

                  If chess player A. plays with white pieces, then he wins chess player B.
                  with a probability of 0,5. If A. plays black, then A. wins B.
                  with a probability of 0,32. Chess players A. and B. play two games, moreover
                  in the second batch they change the color of the figures. Find the probability that A.
                  will win both times.

                  Sorry: I did not see --- I did not read at all. He looked at the general level.

                  Statistics, of course, is thought, but God forbid it (thought) is heard in the Ministry of Education.

                  Why "God forbid"? And why do you write "God" with a small letter?

                  On the topic that it’s difficult for you, I’m afraid that you are disingenuous. Is trigonometry primitive for you and a dip in sine squares?

                  You are right, already on the bus I realized that there is used twice the sum of the sine square and cosine square.

                  But the fact is that this is a test of attentiveness, or quick wit - but not a test of knowledge. Acumen is certainly good, but grades are for the knowledge of mathematics!


                  The phrase killed. And after this your phrase you boast about your education and spread rot to today's graduates for their knowledge laughing
                  something there, but I’ll be able to choose something from the answer.
                  My friend, you are a demagogue. Moreover, the highest standard.


                  The transition to personality as a typical argument scoop?
                  Well - of course it’s awful. As they say, you can’t argue. (“You can’t argue,” because cultural people don’t argue about personalities.)
                  Here in the last conversation, I brought two of these in an emergency. (And one of them, imagine, publicly insulting me, ran to me to complain to the administration when I noticed in response that he was a boor)
                  1. nadezhiva
                    nadezhiva 22 June 2016 18: 07 New
                    0
                    Do not bay. No one goes over to personality. Just ALL the critics amicably scolded the exam for the roulette of choice. What if a dunno guesses and gets a good grade. And here you are ...
                    Of course, it’s hard for me to calculate the squares of sines from .... something there, but I’ll be able to choose from the answer.
                    laughing Have fun.
                    To be honest, I have long been gnawing at the idea that mathematicians are not needed right now, just well-considered and well-versed in all-all-all the rules. NOT NEEDED. The technique does an excellent job of this. There is a targeted search for children with non-standard logic and ingenuity. Part of the programs and mass Olympiads from grade 1 are imprisoned for this.
                    Somehow recourse
                    1. AK64
                      AK64 22 June 2016 18: 44 New
                      0
                      Do not bay.

                      Madam, do not be rude.
                      I’m warning for the second time - he’s also the last one (I’m going down to the floor; a man or a little man there would have thrown out in an emergency the first time).


                      No one goes over to personality.

                      You and go. Soviet habits?


                      Just ALL the critics amicably scolded the exam for the roulette of choice. What if a dunno guesses and gets a good grade. And here you are ...

                      I have noticed several times that criticizing is not necessary for the exam, but for the program. Moreover, I believe that the exam is a good reasonable introduction (although I would have left the entrance exam for a couple of the best universities, such as Moscow State University.)

                      At the same time, I cannot help but notice that in some cases the choice of answers helps. But this, if desired, can be taken into account in statistics.
                      So I'm not talking about a method, but about a specific level.


                      Of course, it’s hard for me to calculate the squares of the sines from .... something there, but I can manage to choose something from the answer.

                      Naturally, I can

                      To be honest, I have long been gnawing at the idea that mathematicians are not needed right now, just well-considered and well-versed in all-all-all the rules. NOT NEEDED. The technique does an excellent job of this.

                      Tse-tse-tse-tse ...

                      At the courses of accountants, the wife hit the local "guessing" the common factor. Local girls with huge eyes, "HOW did you do THIS ??? Reveal the secret!" But the teacher immediately understood: "girls, if you learn the multiplication table at least to 5, this will greatly change your life as accountants"

                      In any subject, including mathematics, there is a set of knowledge - something that is simple and commonplace to know. And it would be necessary to check first knowledge, and only then ingenuity.

                      There is a targeted search for children with non-standard logic and ingenuity. Part of the programs and mass Olympiads from grade 1 are imprisoned for this.

                      Yeah - and as a result .... the results of international competitions, right? Russia has 2 victories, while the USSR won about once every two years.

                      It, of course, may not be so necessary. But the fact is the fact: if supposedly "develop ingenuity", then where are the results?
                      1. nadezhiva
                        nadezhiva 22 June 2016 22: 16 New
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                        results of international olympiads, right? Russia has 2 victories, while the USSR won about once every two years.
                        It, of course, may not be so necessary. But the fact is the fact: if supposedly "develop ingenuity", then where are the results?

                        Those flights that I know, we flew on the nuances of English / American. Those. write math in English ... and fly .... At the international level, we often win in computer science than in math.
                        In any subject, including mathematics, there is a set of knowledge - something that is simple and commonplace to know. And it would be necessary to check first knowledge, and only then ingenuity.
                        You will not believe wink , but it checks the basic exam. An example with your wife: did she need something higher than that level at those courses? Hardly.
                        although I would have left the entrance exam for a couple of the best universities, such as Moscow State University.
                        laughing Would you leavelaughing So when you enter the Moscow State University and pass 1 additional exam. Rent everything. And the medalists, and stobalniki, and all others. How many years. Points are summarized with the exam.
                        Soviet habits?
                        Is everything so soviet about you?
        3. insular
          insular 22 June 2016 07: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Aleksander
          At 70m in the 5th grade at the exam, we solved problems more difficult. And on graduations there were logarithms and integrals ...

          If you are not in the know, then the logarithms and integrals are excluded from the school curriculum long before the exam.
          1. Aleksander
            Aleksander 22 June 2016 11: 18 New
            0
            Quote: insular
            If you are not in the know, then the logarithms and integrals are excluded from the school curriculum long before the exam.


            Yes, forty years have passed.
            It’s strange ... But what can one do without them in technical universities, higher mathematics immediately goes on, and the theory, the incriminating evidence without them, cannot be studied and understood ....
          2. iwakura
            iwakura 22 June 2016 12: 03 New
            +1
            Strange, and in what period did this happen? graduated from the school in the 90s was still there, as well as statistics, series and the beginning of the analysis.
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        5. CONTROL
          CONTROL 22 June 2016 07: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: Aleksander
          You are for these mate. puzzles for school graduates for oligophrenics?
          In 70 in the 5 class at the exam, we solved problems more difficult.
          And on graduations there were logarithms and integrals ...
          And thisWHAT?! belay fool

          Something seemed to me that in the 9th-10th grades there was no trigonometry ... I didn’t find such tasks in the textbooks! or am I mistaken? Is there a special course, or what? ...
          -------
          Problem solving where you need to solve a triangle using arc functions - approximate, non-stomatomatical; and even transcendental numbers are avoided ... A strange program! ...
          As for the scatter of the results of exams in mathematics - it is proved that it is periodically born - it is formed, educated ...- More mathematically gifted children; also - technically (there are all kinds of inventors ...), medically - doctors, surgeons, etc. - the same with writers, artists, actors ... The cyclic process - talents are not scattered in time, but are concentrated in certain periods; is the time for mathematicians? ...
          -----
          ... like a popular sign confirmed by thousands of years of observation - more boys are born before the coming great war ...
          ... by the way - the last 15-20 years ...
        6. andj61
          andj61 22 June 2016 09: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: Aleksander
          In 70 in the 5 class at the exam, we solved problems more difficult.
          And on graduations there were logarithms and integrals ...
          And what's that?!

          And how many tasks were in the 70s?
          Now there’s an order of magnitude more!
          No need to prove theorems, no need to explain topics in mathematics, no verbal answer - it is, but there are a lot of tasks in the exam!
          And our children are taught to solve them much better - for the most part - than us. I myself graduated from high school in 1978!
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 22 June 2016 10: 38 New
            +4
            Quote: andj61
            And how many tasks were in the 70s?

            If my memory serves me, then there were two questions on the ticket and the task
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 22 June 2016 07: 08 New
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        Quote: Black
        it is necessary to change not the form, but the content.

        It is necessary to change the system radically. For deuces in the Unified State Examination, the school is being raped wholeheartedly by the full composition of the Department of Education, it is also impossible to expel outright morons who do not want to study in principle, you must give the child an education. And the fact that this child writes in vases with flowers or shit smears the walls of the school does not interest anyone in the same Department - work with parents. There is no time for parents, they are busy with themselves or just thump. The kids are either selling drugs, or robbing, or they themselves are sitting on spice or gas from lighters. With a beggarly salary, which of the teachers, when loading hours and a bunch of reports into 12-14, will be engaged in extracurricular work with students? The system has become much tougher in terms of bureaucracy than under the USSR, with completely incomparable incomes.
        Examination of the same knowledge actually does not give and does not check. Children are trained to take this exam, and when entering a more or less decent university, now you need to take (not everywhere else, but that’s what) additional exams, where the level of current school knowledge is already not enough, you have to hire tutors.
        Z.Y. I know what I'm talking about, my wife works at school as a head teacher in organizational and educational work, and she leads lessons in history and social studies.
        1. 34 region
          34 region 22 June 2016 11: 31 New
          +2
          Collection 98! 07.08/XNUMX. You posed a very interesting question that everyone very carefully avoids (ignores). The issue of parental employment. What's better? When are parents constantly at work or constantly thirsty? Thump, bad. A lot of work is it good? Why do they work a lot? Such workaholics or just not enough money? Extracurricular work of teachers! What about overtime parents? Why bother? And what? All masochists? Smart people will always find a good, well-paid job! It turns out the recipients of one, two, three minimum wages are stupid people? Smart people open their own business! And then astronomers are stupid? If you are so smart, why so poor? And what will be the answer to such questions?
        2. a housewife
          a housewife 22 June 2016 12: 14 New
          +1
          I studied from 5th to 10th in a rather strange class. No need to tell how everyone was equal with the owls. authorities. But - some of our troechniki subsequently surprised me. One - it seemed so stupid, never learned lessons, rolled up writing forever. Until we were somehow put together. It turned out - he simply didn’t have time - he disappeared for days in the sports section, his element sails! Another quiet girl, mumbles something there, gets three and is happy. Then she became a wonderful cutter, she simply sewed masterpieces, and worked in the studio and at home. And yet another one, who also seemed to be nothing, became a rather famous artist! The child does not hand over any objects - it is not worth it to write down immediately in stupid ones!
      3. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 22 June 2016 08: 11 New
        +5
        Quote: Black
        Unified State Exam has a lot of opponents, but personally I am for it.

        Indeed, that many have pounced on the exam? But the necessary thing is the project of cultivating not some soviet “man-creator” there, but a patented “qualified consumer”! And the state is calmer when there will be fewer citizens who think and reason.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 June 2016 10: 03 New
          +2
          “The right thing is the project of cultivating not some kind of soviet“ man-creator ”there, but a patented“ qualified consumer ”- Each person is the creator of his own happiness and in the world people are all consumers,“ tadpoles ”will not translate any exam into the state the mentally retarded are not needed; there will be no sense in them.
        2. 34 region
          34 region 22 June 2016 11: 34 New
          0
          08.11/XNUMX. Damn funny! Is it really true? Even my four grades of central vocational schools hurt my eyes such a phrase!
        3. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 22 June 2016 17: 22 New
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          Hello and many thanks from the bottom of my heart for inserting a photo reflecting the true level of education of the current generation!
      4. AK64
        AK64 22 June 2016 08: 48 New
        +2
        I agree. I know that the USE has a lot of opponents, but personally I am for it. At least in the exact sciences. Changes, of course, are needed, but the content, not the form, needs to be changed.


        That's right, scold is not it. And not an exam, you need to scold a program
    2. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex 22 June 2016 06: 46 New
      +5
      I agree!
      40 PERCENT REMARKS ON MATHEMATICS !!! Against the background of such a result, even the Soviet school of mathematics, as they say, nervously smokes on the sidelines ... Literally every second graduate is either Perelman or Kolmogorov ...


      The exam in mathematics is divided into a basic and advanced level, and so 40% is a basic level, Carl, basic. One would think that if at the base level there was not 40%, but, say, 5%, then this would satisfy the author.

      Personally, my opinion is that the USE is needed, maybe a little with a different content, but in this form.
      1. Volodin
        22 June 2016 06: 49 New
        +7
        Quote: sdc_alex
        so 40% is a basic level, Karl, basic

        This is primarily mathematics, Karl, mathematics ... 11 class! And if for you the basic level in the senior class of modern school is reduced to tasks about yogurt and snail, then your logic is understood and your discreet optimism about the Unified State Examination also realized ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 22 June 2016 06: 57 New
          10
          Quote: Volodin
          This is primarily mathematics, Karl, mathematics ... 11 class! And if for you the basic level in the senior class of modern school is reduced to tasks about yogurt and snail, then your logic is understood and your discreet optimism about the Unified State Examination also realized ...

          Hi . Alexey .
          Well, someone did compose this exam, he passed the approval and verification.
          It is likely that this is the grade level of students 11.
          many of us look at it by that level. when we studied.
          they themselves said that since then a lot of things have degraded.
          therefore, the level in universities is
          1. Volodin
            22 June 2016 07: 08 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            It is likely that this is the grade level of students 11.
            many of us look at it by that level. when we studied.


            Alexander, good afternoon! It was about this that I tried to write in the material, but they say: "everything is normal, everything is constructive, you give more tasks in one action about bio-yoghurt ..." smile
            1. atalef
              atalef 22 June 2016 07: 18 New
              0
              Quote: Volodin
              Quote: atalef
              It is likely that this is the grade level of students 11.
              many of us look at it by that level. when we studied.


              Alexander, good afternoon! It was about this that I tried to write in the material, but they say: "everything is normal, everything is constructive, you give more tasks in one action about bio-yoghurt ..." smile

              Alexey, I think the same thing. what is it just a level
              Imagine the situation that the Ministry of Education approves the math exam with a complete margin of reality and 30% of students pass it at best.
              Well, the minister went home and everyone else along the chain.
              Therefore, the probability is still (in my opinion) as follows. what is this level.

              Does anyone have statistics on the estimates?
              1. andj61
                andj61 22 June 2016 09: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                Imagine the situation that the Ministry of Education approves the math exam with a complete margin of reality and 30% of students pass it at best.
                Well, the minister went home and everyone else along the chain.
                Therefore, the probability is still (in my opinion) as follows. what is this level.

                Greetings, Alexander! But even in your hypothetical case the next year, all graduates will begin to prepare - and, accordingly, solve problems of the same level. They will be trained in a year - and such a difficult exam will not pass 5%, but 30%, and next year - all 50%. So it is here: graduates are purposefully prepared to solve problems - and the result is obvious: they have learned to do it!
            2. CONTROL
              CONTROL 22 June 2016 08: 07 New
              0
              Quote: Volodin
              Alexander, good afternoon! It was about this that I tried to write in the material, but they say: "everything is normal, everything is constructive, you give more tasks in one action about bio-yoghurt ..." smile

              So now it’s everywhere like this - the exams (and not only the USE, but also the production ones) are multilevel: basic, simplified, complicated ... ultimately complicated and not passed in principle, finally! ...
              ... tasks in one action ... in half-action ... the answer is half-eight ... or the eight on the side (on which side should I turn it over? Or put it on my back? ...- hey, not a moment elementary particle rotation! ...
            3. nadezhiva
              nadezhiva 22 June 2016 08: 43 New
              0
              Quote: Volodin
              I tried to write about this in the material
              Answer honestly: Have you personally tried to solve the profile version of the exam? Before writing an article?
              1. Volodin
                22 June 2016 12: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: nadezhiva
                tried to solve the profile version of the exam?

                Hope. This is part of my job.
                1. nadezhiva
                  nadezhiva 22 June 2016 22: 21 New
                  +1
                  And then where are the examples from the profile option? And why do you give statistics on the basic exam, which is needed exclusively for obtaining a certificate, as an option for the overall picture? Indeed, in profile mathematics, the result is completely different.
            4. nadezhiva
              nadezhiva 22 June 2016 09: 03 New
              0
              Quote: Volodin
              you give more tasks in one action about bio-yogurts ... " smile

              Say yogurts wink Oh well. If you are too lazy to solve everything, let's "type" yoghurts, only in training for a specialized exam in mathematics?
              The depositor made a certain amount to Sberbank at a certain percentage per annum. A year later, he took half of the resulting amount and transferred it to a commercial bank, the annual percentage of which is 32 times higher than in Sberbank. A year later, the amount of the depositor in a commercial bank exceeded the initial amount invested there by 4%. What is the percentage per annum in Sberbank?

              ***
              In January 2000, the deposit rate at Vozrozhdenie Bank was x% per annum, while in January 2001 it was y% per annum, and it is known that x + y = 30%. In January 2000, a depositor opened an account with Vozrozhdenie Bank, depositing a certain amount on it. In January 2001, after a year from that moment, the depositor withdrew a fifth of this amount from the account. Indicate the value of x at which the amount in the depositor's account in January 2002 will become the maximum possible.

              ***
              At the end of August 2001, the administration of the Primorsky Territory had a certain amount of money, which was supposed to be used to replenish the oil reserves of the Territory. Hoping for a change in market conditions, the regional leadership, delaying the purchase of oil, put this amount on September 1, 2001 to the bank. It is further known that the deposit amount in the bank increased by 26% on the first day of each month relative to the amount on the first day of the previous month, and the price of a barrel of crude oil decreased by 10% monthly. How many percent more (of the initial volume of purchases) did the regional leadership manage to replenish the region’s oil reserves by withdrawing on November 1, 2001 the entire amount received from the bank along with interest and directing it to oil purchase?
              Let's hit the road?
              1. AK64
                AK64 22 June 2016 09: 51 New
                +5
                Sorry, but what's so complicated? AND WHERE ARE THE MATHICS HERE?
                These are quick-witted tasks, where redundant information is given in order to confuse, and nothing more.

                If I understand the question correctly (here it’s really a problem to understand what they want from you), then ... of course it’s hard for me to divide 4 into 32 in my mind, but this is the only problem. However, 1/8 or 0.125%

                What is it, does Sberbank have such low interest rates?

                In principle, this task, for example, is hidden propaganda and hidden advertising of commercial banks.

                But WHERE ARE HERE MATHEMATICS?
                After all, it’s like it’s not the ingenuity that will be tested, namely knowledge and skills!
                1. nadezhiva
                  nadezhiva 22 June 2016 11: 40 New
                  -2
                  Not 4/32, but write down the equation, showing that you understand the meaning of the task. Where is the math? And where did you see math without logic?
                  An example was about the fact that in basic mathematics (nobody needs anyone), there are tasks for yoghurts, and in the core one there is already a different level. For admission to the university you need specialized mathematics.
                  1. iwakura
                    iwakura 22 June 2016 12: 35 New
                    +1
                    if it’s a “difficult level” then the tasks are as stupid as the basic ones, behind a bunch of words lies a primitive solution that only needs to be described, i.e. rather a test of knowledge of the Russian language.
                    in the first, the answer is in the condition itself - if 4% in comm. bank, then with savings 32 times less
                    in the second, the search for the extremum of the function by taking the differential from the quadratic equation, quadratic because it takes into account only two years ((1 + x) * 4/5) * (1 + y), where y = 30-x
                    the third is even simpler than the second.
                    1. iwakura
                      iwakura 22 June 2016 13: 03 New
                      0
                      typo x + y = 0,30, I was in a hurry for lunch in the dining room, standing there in line with a tray, solving the equation in my head I realized :)
                  2. AK64
                    AK64 22 June 2016 12: 47 New
                    +3
                    Not 4/32, but write down the equation, showing that you understand the meaning of the task.

                    Oh, yes, there’s a sense to sort it out - that's the problem. Too much redundant information.
                    But in fact, if you screen out the garbage (which is the most difficult in this "task"):
                    (1) in a commercial bank, the percentage is 32 times higher
                    (2) a year later in com. the bank the amount was 4% more than it was when investing.

                    So WHY do you have "equations" here? And WHAT are the "equations" here? 4:32, and that's ALL.

                    Where is the math? And where did you see math without logic?

                    Madame, what do you know about mathematics in general?
                    "Where did you see," say? Yes. DAILY I see in the workplace.
                    And this is NOT logic: it is “quick-witted”, or “quick-witted”. But not knowledge.


                    An example was about the fact that in basic mathematics (nobody needs anyone), there are tasks for yoghurts, and in the core one there is already a different level. For admission to the university you need specialized mathematics.

                    Yes, for God's sake, for God's sake. But this "bank" is already sort of on one of the provided "profile" links.
            5. andj61
              andj61 22 June 2016 09: 20 New
              +4
              Quote: Volodin
              they say about here: "everything is fine, everything is constructive, you give more tasks in one action about bio-yogurts ..."

              They don’t say that!
              On the exam, you need to solve not one, not two, but several dozen very complex tasks. Try to solve the WHOLE exam - and you really will get the opinion that the exam in mathematics is not profanity at all, but rather a mockery of the children!
              I dare to assure you - in the 70s SUCH tasks, as now in the third section, most graduates did not even see! This is the level of MIPT, MEPhI and Baumanka!
          2. RussianRoulette
            RussianRoulette 22 June 2016 09: 25 New
            +1
            This is just a paragraph!
          3. 34 region
            34 region 22 June 2016 11: 45 New
            0
            Atalef! 06.57. Well, you just killed with your video! And can you find out how such questions are answered in the USA, Germany, and Israel? Are we so alone?
            1. Victor Demchenko
              Victor Demchenko 22 June 2016 17: 31 New
              +4
              I don’t know how in the states, but in the FRG the USE was not even introduced, in Israel there is no such thing either. in France, the first of the countries that introduced the USE it was removed with the motivation: ... It threatens technical independence and the development of engineering in the state.
              1. AK64
                AK64 22 June 2016 18: 28 New
                +1
                I don’t know how in the states, but in the FRG the USE was not even introduced, in Israel there is no such thing either. in France, the first of the countries that introduced the USE it was removed with the motivation: ... It threatens technical independence and the development of engineering in the state.

                Yah?
                Do the men know?
                In the last year, graduates pass the state baccalaureat exam (BAC) in specialization, which allows them to enter an university without additional exams.

                http://obrazovanie-vo-francii.narod.ru/
        2. sdc_alex
          sdc_alex 22 June 2016 07: 22 New
          +1
          And you yourself go pass the exam and announce us your 100% result.
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        4. AID.S
          AID.S 22 June 2016 07: 49 New
          0
          Quote: Volodin
          This is primarily mathematics, Carl, mathematics ... Grade 11!

          For those who go to legal, foreign, cinematographic, mining and shift, football-hockey, etc. similar faculties and the basic for the eyes is enough.
          (Although doubts have been gnawing me since yesterday evening, about the players ..)
        5. andj61
          andj61 22 June 2016 09: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Volodin
          And if for you the basic level in the senior class of the modern school comes down to problems about yogurt and a snail, then your logic was understood and your cautious optimism about the USE was also recognized ...

          The snail problem is a classic of problems since the 70s, but not on the ability to count, but on quick wits. And the one who answers that in 10 days the snail will climb to the top of a ten-meter tree will be wrong: she will be there a little earlier ... bully
          And as a task of a basic level, that is, for “warming up”, for the brains to start working, it’s quite normal! yes
          And then dozens (dozens, Karl!) Of tasks of a much more complex level will need to be solved!
        6. Penzuck
          Penzuck 22 June 2016 09: 41 New
          +4
          Dear Ladies and Gentlemen (I ask the Bolsheviks not to be offended tongue ) But do not look at our article gr. Is Volodina critical? The points:
          1. Given that we are talking about the exam - you need at least give a link on tasks (on 2014-2015-2016 comparison - the essence is MOTHER).
          http://www.fipi.ru/sites/default/files/document/2016/ma_baz_107.pdf
          Math basic
          http://www.fipi.ru/sites/default/files/document/2016/ma_prof_107.pdf
          Profile level. Take your breath bully solve.
          2. In the USE in mathematics, problems from very simple to very complex, if you solve simple (exaggerate) - we have 3, simple + in a more complicated way we have 4. Well and so on. And the joke is not that 40% of excellent students. The fact is that data are not given on what method the students took and their ratio.
          Most by profile? Then the author should not take a steam bath, but if on the base - then again you can get the five, but you can’t enter the "mathematical" university with the "base". More details
          http://www.egesdam.ru/page13.html hi
          3. The quintessence of an exam simply drives you into a stupor. Why is PHOTO?fool
          4. Mixed "horse people." Probably every time he writes an article in the dark dungeons of guantanomo, Mr. Volodin uses a "training manual". That Panimash governor Pskov does not look at the corrupt girl of capitalism (statistics), the villain. That ponimash outlet for 80 oblique on the snout in Sakhalin (so rejoice!).
          5. The last paragraph is a Masterpiece. The author earned a boiled turnip with cabbage soup.
          PS: Whom accidentally offended I apologize.
      2. sa-ag
        sa-ag 22 June 2016 06: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: sdc_alex
        The exam in mathematics is divided into a basic and advanced level, so 40% is the basic level, Karl, the basic.

        Well, what is it - an excellent student of a basic level and an excellent student of a high level, he must be an excellent student, otherwise he will get a fish of the second freshness :-)
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 22 June 2016 07: 43 New
          0
          Totally agree!
        2. CONTROL
          CONTROL 22 June 2016 08: 12 New
          -1
          Quote: sa-ag
          Well, what is it - an excellent student of a basic level and an excellent student of a high level, he must be an excellent student, otherwise he will get a fish of the second freshness :-)

          ... A graduate is not a fish! A - potential candidate of technical sciences - or a fitter of the 5th category ...
          -----
          ... although a mess, of course! Everything is governed by ratings; only here - an attempt to exclude the derogatory attitude of others towards the "triple": "three balls", they say - triplets ... secret society ... T.O.Tr! ... (there was such a movie as “My Friend Kolka”)
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 22 June 2016 10: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: CONTROL
            ..A graduate is not a fish! A - potential candidate of technical sciences - or a fitter of the 5th category ...

            Well, we also need to learn this at one time at school in the 9th grade we were taught at the CPC, I was a 5th grade fitter, for repairing locomotives :-)
      3. Monarchist
        Monarchist 22 June 2016 07: 41 New
        -2
        Junior lieutenant of bogaradi think write! USE in such a bottle - turns children into downs! If the base level was made for threes in the first grade, and the main one, then for the excellent students there is a maximum of 6th grade. In 5 years, everything will be in a big ** ce!
        1. sdc_alex
          sdc_alex 22 June 2016 07: 56 New
          +1
          Comrade, Senior Lieutenant, I will send you under arrest. Learn how to understand the epaulettes. laughing
          And then
          Quote: Monarchist
          bogaradi
          you understand ..... laughing
          1. Monarchist
            Monarchist 22 June 2016 11: 45 New
            0
            I apologize that I was mistaken, but in pursuit I did not see the gaps
            1. sdc_alex
              sdc_alex 22 June 2016 12: 24 New
              +1
              And where are the gaps on the general uniform? You, dear man, are confusing something again.

              Although in general, to be honest, I did not care about these fake titles on the site,
              BUT - THE BUSINESS OF THE PRINCIPLE! smile
            2. a housewife
              a housewife 22 June 2016 12: 55 New
              0
              Doubt - click on the epaulette. It is written there.
        2. nadezhiva
          nadezhiva 22 June 2016 08: 48 New
          0
          Quote: MonarchistIf the basic level was made for threes in the first class, and then the main level for the excellent students is a maximum of the 6th class. [/ Quote


          And you decide. At least basic, which is "for the first class." And then - profile. Then we all laugh (after the announcement of the results).
          [/ comment-show]
      4. Altona
        Altona 22 June 2016 07: 59 New
        +5
        Quote: sdc_alex
        Personally, my opinion is that the USE is needed, maybe a little with a different content, but in this form.

        ---------------------
        We need a normal attitude towards children, to upbringing and education. You look at the exam, as there is a whole special operation: a reinforced police squad, a special communications machine to listen to unauthorized signals from the audience, some other curators from the state. And the children's camp on Syamozero with terrible violations "missed". Where barracks and prison methods were applied to children, they didn’t feed and were forbidden to complain, didn’t instruct them before going to TB on water, and rafted on flimsy watercraft. But what about? Business needs to "lift restrictions." The further we live such a life, the more rationality is visible in the “damned scoop”. Where in the pioneer camp they fed for slaughter (God forbid there will not be 150-200 grams per week), where the teacher ran like a mother hen for every child so that he would not disappear anywhere. Now what? They put a smartphone in the hand-google. Ugh, not even a word.
        1. sdc_alex
          sdc_alex 22 June 2016 08: 11 New
          +4
          I agree too, but
          Quote: Altona
          reinforced police outfit, special communications vehicle to listen to unauthorized signals from the audience, some other state curators
          - measures are largely justified and dictated by the modern way.

          Once it looked funny and even fantastic, but now it’s quite such a reality. Everyone has cell phones and earphones are not a problem.
          1. Altona
            Altona 22 June 2016 08: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: sdc_alex
            - measures are largely justified and dictated by the modern way.

            -----------------
            Yes, this is not about that. The point is that there is no supervision over many people throughout the year, and once a year the state drives the police with wiretaps to schools.
            1. sdc_alex
              sdc_alex 22 June 2016 09: 06 New
              0
              Well yes. I do not argue.
          2. Monarchist
            Monarchist 22 June 2016 12: 43 New
            0
            You are right: current realities make possible what yesterday was fantastic.
        2. Exumer
          Exumer 22 June 2016 10: 46 New
          +1
          I agree! there was ideology in the “damned scoop” - there was unity, but where is she / it where in the Consumer Society?
        3. Monarchist
          Monarchist 22 June 2016 12: 38 New
          0
          It’s hard not to agree with your words, but with the priest: “... a whole special operation: a reinforced police squad, a special communications machine for drying ..” as they say, this is reality, but the special operation does not protect against cheating. In China, in addition to listening machines, they already use drones. I think the Chinese do not use drones because of a good life. So life is more fun and more fun!
    3. I am human
      I am human 22 June 2016 08: 39 New
      0
      Yes! obviously with education you are "all right" ... the Russian language is especially lame
    4. Cresta999
      Cresta999 22 June 2016 09: 12 New
      +4
      Here you just arrange a tantrum. Because, as if you would have thought calmly, not being afraid that you would not write first, you would have understood that the author under this phenomenon is considering the big picture. Education is down, investing is up. For balls, for paid studies at a university, for a tutor, etc.
    5. Vladimir 23rus
      Vladimir 23rus 22 June 2016 09: 28 New
      +1
      Parents want to suffer nonsense and spend money on their right. What do you care?
      You probably think that gurgling schools are forcing?
      It is forced! As if "voluntarily" and you can refuse, but if you refuse then the child is delayed, sorry for the expression.
    6. korvin1976
      korvin1976 22 June 2016 09: 41 New
      +3
      I am not a supporter of the exam, but this system has a place to be, as a system of general assessment of knowledge.
      Constantly give tasks from the exam from the category of the simplest, and no one leads the tasks more difficult. For example:
      At one time I entered Baumanka, so there the entrance exams were like the exam.
      7 questions, for each question its own number of points. I remember the first three questions as of now: 1. Write Newton’s second law, 2. Two environments, a ray of light falls, DRAW how it will continue its path in the second environment (environments: air and water), 3. The body at zero speed is released at a distance 100 meters from the ground, what body speed will be at the lowest point (something like this, I do not remember literally), the point is that the calculation according to the standard formula. For these three tasks you get three points, that is, a rating of 3. Next came the questions more and more complex. The last question after the exams I dealt with with the school teacher (and he was a physicist from God), they decided for a long time and painfully. At the same time, in Baumanka it was possible to use "methods" in exams, squeezing from a physics textbook (spurs are indulgence in comparison with them)

      In the same way, on the USE, you answer these questions here, you have a maximum of 3, that is, you know the subject at a purely basic level, the grade is higher, which means knowledge is better. But for me, all the same, when I enter universities, passing profile examinations, and not just the exam.

      In my work, I often encounter staff assessment, and here it just starts SHOW
      Question in the questionnaire: a kilogram of sugar costs 10 rubles, how much is 1.2 kg. 60% of candidates are eliminated on this question.
      Particularly pleased with the answer: 16 rubles. AS? Answer: a kilo costs 10 rubles, 2 kg costs 20 rubles, but 1.2 kg costs about 16 rubles
      And you are talking about some fractions and logical tasks about snails.

      Again, I didn’t see ALL questions on the USE, and I can’t say whether the system is the same as in Baumanka, or all the questions from the category of snails, and that’s what they say in principle. If someone has a list of ALL questions from one ticket, this would already be subject to discussion, after laying out these questions.
    7. Shkodnik65
      Shkodnik65 22 June 2016 11: 23 New
      +5
      I do not know how much you respected lnsular are familiar with the exam, but I have a daughter in grade 11. When she gave me questions to read, for example, on “society”, I honestly said that the “roof” was smoking. And this despite the fact that I have a higher humanitarian education, with numerous additional advanced training courses. Why do children at school have deeply scientific philosophical aspects? Can a child turner go to work or a seamstress? And this clowning with webcams, metal detectors, searches, gadget weaning, moving to other schools, etc. Yes, here for a normal person everything will fly out of the head, and even more so for a modern child.
      Understand that I am not against the Unified State Exam in principle, but young people, for all their eccentricity, still children and instead of hassle and round-ups, just need to HUMANLY organize exams, help the student show the knowledge that he possesses, and not muzzle like sheep in a slaughterhouse. In general, today in Russia we have the Unified State Examination, right across Chernomyrdin, like they wanted the best ... well, then you yourself know what
    8. Homo
      Homo 22 June 2016 15: 04 New
      0
      Quote: insular
      Well, graduation parties and then what ?!

      What does it have to do with it? And for what such achievements such incentives! Every year, graduates are getting dumber and balls are getting richer, which means that dullness and stupidity of children are encouraged!request
    9. cyberhanter
      cyberhanter 22 June 2016 20: 53 New
      0
      I remember the snail puzzle, we have not solved it more than half the class ... 2go "a" class ...
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 June 2016 06: 16 New
    -2
    It's only the beginning! lol These examinations will still come back to haunt.
    1. The black
      The black 22 June 2016 06: 43 New
      +5
      It's only the beginning! lol These examinations still come back to haunt.
      Goes around comes around. But not because of the form of the conduct, but because of the compilers of the tasks .... And also because of the paid education. Universities are simply not profitable to “bring down” payers. Not to mention fully commercial universities. Here they can finish them at all full downs. There is just a conveyor for the exhaustion of dough from students (cht. Parents)
    2. atalef
      atalef 22 June 2016 07: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: aszzz888
      It's only the beginning! lol These examinations will still come back to haunt.

      It seems that the problem is in the exam.
      1. sdc_alex
        sdc_alex 22 June 2016 07: 23 New
        +4
        Here I agree on 200%, the problem is not in the USE, but in society, in values, in upbringing, in the end.
  3. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 22 June 2016 06: 16 New
    -3
    Ministry of Education, Minotupeniya! So many people, money, all for the sake of Lebanon, already people just hate this exam. Hey, you up there !! A .. Very busy election.
    1. I am human
      I am human 22 June 2016 08: 54 New
      0
      Minobrazina. Since the 90s
  4. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 22 June 2016 06: 18 New
    +4
    why education, if you can play football ... you don’t need to do anything, but the patch is good, very, very.
    1. Aksakal_07
      Aksakal_07 22 June 2016 06: 30 New
      +4
      Do not play, but walk on the football field.
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 22 June 2016 07: 47 New
        +1
        Yes, our players are in complete shit! The impression was that they were sleeping on the field!
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 22 June 2016 13: 14 New
          +2
          I don’t understand anything in football. But I decided to see how our play. Impression - those teams play exactly. Somehow the ball is passed to each other, someone is moving somewhere, disperse. Ours are like a herd of rams, where the ball goes there and everything together, they simply even interfere with themselves. I will never watch again! I love hockey.
        2. AK64
          AK64 22 June 2016 13: 23 New
          0
          Yes, our players are in complete shit! The impression was that they were sleeping on the field!


          Chemistry could be thrown. Very strange indeed.
          It certainly never shone, but not to the same extent.

          But stuffing chemistry is a common thing: a disco-bullying girl once said that she never eats and doesn’t buy food and drink at international ones, precisely because of the risk of getting something “undesirable”. Just what the coach bought (less risk that something will be added to his purchase).
    2. Waltasar
      Waltasar 22 June 2016 06: 33 New
      0
      Oh, don't remind me. Shame and forget ...
      Now I’ll be rooting for Wales :)
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 22 June 2016 07: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Waltasar
        Now I’ll be rooting for Wales :)

        Don’t be sick at all. Live a normal life, I've spit on these hockey football since the age of 20 ... Now there’s not what it was during the USSR, Remember uncompromising meetings with the national teams of Sweden, Canada, Czechs and Germany, and now ... Purchased matches players bought ...
        According to the exam, in addition to what is said, there is practically nothing to add. Liberals do not need a strong and self-sufficient Russia, but they need to at least somehow align themselves with the West. There is no need for a strong science, engineers and designers, as a result, a strong education is also not needed - Kudrin and Co.
    3. atalef
      atalef 22 June 2016 06: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      why education, if you can play football ... you don’t need to do anything, but the patch is good, very, very.

      Why am I not a soccer player? crying
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 22 June 2016 07: 11 New
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        Why am I not a soccer player?

        Because jew laughing He himself said that Jewry and sport are poorly compatible. request
        1. WUA 518
          WUA 518 22 June 2016 07: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Because the Jew himself said that Jewry and sport are poorly compatible

          Sanya, Ruslan hello. Beckham puffs up for him there. His grandfather is a little jew laughing
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 22 June 2016 07: 16 New
            +5
            Hello missing drinks
            Quote: WUA 518
            His grandfather is a little jew

            belay Is it a little cropped? laughing
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 22 June 2016 07: 42 New
              +5
              Quote: WUA 518
              WUA 518

              Quote: Ruslan67
              Ruslan67

              I don’t understand, but the West doesn’t sleep. It’s 8 in the morning and everything is already on the site. Disorder! Healthy for everyone.
              Quote: atalef
              Why am I not a soccer player?

              Sanya, here is Kokorin-Bugatti Veyron, the price is about 1 500 000 euros, covered in leather with a chic model exterior 35kg + total weight with belongings. Silicone lips and boobs.
              Sanya, why do you need such a life.
              1. WUA 518
                WUA 518 22 June 2016 07: 56 New
                +5
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Sanya, here is Kokorin-Bugatti Veyron, the price is about 1 500 000 euros, covered in leather with a chic model exterior 35kg + total weight with belongings. Silicone lips and boobs.
                Sanya, why do you need such a life.

                Sanya hi. They are called instagram football players. Here is the character Mamaev, who is so plowed that he flies on a business jet to rest, on our taxes, by the way. Even the price tag did not have time to tear off the cap, so he was in a hurry to upload the photo.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 22 June 2016 08: 14 New
                  +3
                  Quote: WUA 518
                  Mamaev, he is so plowed that he flies on a business jet to rest, on our taxes, among other things

                  With his salary of 1.5 million euros, life is difficult. This is a clown, not a football player.
                  Although you know, they were made so crazy by salaries that they are paid for nothing.
                  Football turned into glamor. A bunch of pictures of this nonsense.
                  https://static.life.ru/posts/2015/12/346679/7c912e461d0ac270788e1c058cb488eb__98
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              2. atalef
                atalef 22 June 2016 19: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Sanya, here is Kokorin-Bugatti Veyron, the price is about 1 500 000 euros, covered in leather with a chic model exterior 35kg + total weight with belongings. Silicone lips and boobs.
                Sanya, why do you need such a life.

                I want to suffer before death wink
            2. atalef
              atalef 22 June 2016 19: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Hello missing drinks
              Quote: WUA 518
              His grandfather is a little jew

              belay Is it a little cropped? laughing

              no - it's not cut laughing
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 22 June 2016 07: 51 New
        +1
        With this level of exam, soon the players will not know where their gates are!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 June 2016 08: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: Monarchist
          With this level of exam, soon the players will not know where their gates are!

          Judging by the game, they are no longer in the know.
    4. The black
      The black 22 June 2016 07: 58 New
      0
      why education if you can play football
      So alright would know how to play football ... laughing so there we have full
  5. Nix1986
    Nix1986 22 June 2016 06: 23 New
    -4
    For higher education, I can say one negative. I didn’t go to study at the university, because I got a job in the specialty to get real knowledge, and at the university I took money to close my eyes on my absenteeism and give me the opportunity to study and get real knowledge at work. This is just a paradox ... Recently, a relative came to me to enter Moscow universities, for the sake of interest I went to open day with him, except for one, the rest of the "cool" universities did not really say anything about the possibility of an internship - we make the same conclusion - nothing has changed, the knowledge of the institute and real skills in work are still little connected, I see no reason not to buy a diploma in the transition for 50k and not start working with ordinary posts, you will save time, nerves and money.
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 22 June 2016 07: 12 New
      +4
      I didn’t go to study at the university, because I got a job in the specialty to get real knowledge, and at the university I took money to close my eyes on my absenteeism and give me the opportunity to study and get real knowledge at work

      And at work, who gave you real knowledge? And if they also bought a diploma in the underground passage?
      I see no reason not to buy a diploma for 50k in the transition
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 22 June 2016 07: 53 New
        +1
        Ohoho our sins are serious!
      2. Nix1986
        Nix1986 22 June 2016 09: 28 New
        0
        At work, knowledge was given by employees of the old school, specialists from siemens and representatives of SAP-a, plus he graduated from ACCA in parallel and received a degree at Oxford Brooks. The best test of the result is practice, not for show-offs - at the meeting of the stream at the age of 28, he was the only one who came on a 7-ke boomer. Let's separate flies from cutlets, the meaning of my post was as follows - if the university is really good and gives the required skills, then leading companies actively take its students for an internship. If not, then all the university’s statements about coolness are zilch, and in this case, if it’s not possible to enter a really worthwhile institution, then it is better to start with practice, the task of the university is to give a person a tool for making money (of course, if you are not a child of a deputy and do not go to university for self-knowledge, etc.). And of course, this does not apply to serious professions such as the nuclear physicist or physician, where without theoretical knowledge practice will not replace them in any way.
  6. The black
    The black 22 June 2016 06: 24 New
    +6
    There is no way to enter a technical university with "basic" mathematics. It is only available to those who will not have to study it later. Although, of course, there should not be such tasks as here in the assignments. All this suggests that the school is not interested in leaving for the second year or to graduate without a certificate (with a certificate), and since the level of teaching (and hence knowledge) has fallen sharply in recent years - hence the tasks for absolutely, sorry, stupid graduates. Until teachers have a decent status, in .h. and salaries will be so.
    By the way, the specialized mathematics required for admission to technical universities was very difficult.
    1. insular
      insular 22 June 2016 06: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: Black
      All this suggests that the school is not interested in leaving for a second year or graduating without a certificate (with a certificate),
      When was it different? When not pulled complete idiots?
      You probably don’t have a taste at all, that since the days of the USSR, teachers were punished if there are a lot of students in the class with grades that spoil the general statistics.
      1. Moore
        Moore 22 June 2016 06: 43 New
        +5
        When was it different? When not pulled complete idiots?

        Full idiots always pulled. The rest were not always lowered to their level.
        1. The black
          The black 22 June 2016 07: 00 New
          +1
          Full idiots always pulled. The rest were not always lowered to their level.
          Exactly good
        2. insular
          insular 22 June 2016 07: 22 New
          +7
          The author cast a shadow on the fence, technically kept silent that it was a) only questions of the first part, b) non-core test in mathematics.
          And adults who were able to think critically and think did not think to check, but is that all?
          Why did you pass the racially correct exam? So that I believe everything?
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      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 22 June 2016 10: 43 New
        0
        I agree. Under the Union, there was a percentomania and frank lodars were "dragged" from class to class, otherwise they would be raked from the director, and he would receive trindels to the district.
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    3. Iline
      Iline 22 June 2016 07: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Black
      With "basic" mathematics in a technical university does not enter.

      I will support in this matter. Yesterday, only in the local press appeared an article on the results of the exam in mathematics. I give a few excerpts.
      Five graduates of the Saratov region passed the mathematics of the profile level by one hundred points. This was reported by the regional Ministry of Education.

      Wow percentage, right? To the entire Saratov region. This year, everyone recognizes that the level of the profile exam in mathematics has grown significantly. I don’t know about the basic one, but it is mainly graduates who don’t expect to be strongly associated with this science in the future.
      According to the rector of the SSTU Igor Pleve, preliminary results of the Unified State Examination in 2016 indicate that the level of knowledge of graduates of schools, lyceums, and gymnasiums is growing.
      “For us, as a technical university, this is especially evident in the example of such disciplines as mathematics and physics. This year in our area, the percentage of those who have not passed math has decreased significantly. This indicates an increase in the quality of applicants and an internal section of knowledge that we spend annually on these issues at SSTU among first-year students. If a few years ago, the results of internal control could differ from the USE scores, today the percentage of students who haven’t passed the university profile is also declining, "said Igor Pleve.
    4. Monarchist
      Monarchist 22 June 2016 10: 33 New
      +1
      Even if you pay fifty thousand to a teacher with such an exam, teachers also degrade! If Lodari is now going to remember the ball, then all the stupid people will go to school! In the USSR, the level of education was high, but even then teachers were woeful. The current "creators" of the Unified State Examination are their creation
  7. Sharky
    Sharky 22 June 2016 06: 28 New
    +1
    Yes, in my days I was asked questions at a physics exam ... For example: why, if you connect 20 batteries of 12V in series (240V) and grab one of the terminals of the latter, it will not hit the current, and if you grab the phase in a socket where there is about 220V then fuck laughing ? The question is not simple, but interesting. And now - the snail is creeping ... Damn it.
    1. atalef
      atalef 22 June 2016 06: 59 New
      -1
      Quote: Sharky
      For example: why, if you connect 20 batteries in 12B in series (240B) and grab one terminal of the latter, it will not hit the current, and if you grab the phase in a socket near 220В, then it will hammer

      And damage? wink
      1. Sharky
        Sharky 22 June 2016 07: 55 New
        +1
        I know something, and you? smile
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 22 June 2016 08: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: Sharky
          I know something, and you? smile

          Because the network has alternating current, and not direct?
          1. sdc_alex
            sdc_alex 22 June 2016 08: 26 New
            +3
            The topic has not been disclosed. laughing

            In short, there must be a closed circuit for current to flow. There is a battery, + and -, the potential difference between them, and not between one of them - and the ground, so when any of them are stuck into the ground there will be no current. With alternating current, everything is a little different, what is called. "zero" is connected to the mass, grounding, so the current between the phase and the wire buried in the ground will be. If you take a separate alternator and do not ground the neutral wire - even though it is a phase wire, it’s conditional enough, there will be no current - it has nowhere to come from, there is no closed circuit, something like this tongue

            In general, the power engineer atalef just mocked. wink
            1. D. Dan
              D. Dan 23 June 2016 07: 19 New
              0
              You still forgot about such a thing as earth, in a change in the outlet, the gene for est is connected with the earth, mother, who we have a mega-conductor, well, those who take the phase and have the isolation to the ground will shake, but how much, a lot of factors. The battery is an independent source in this case. But, connect the minus to the ground on it and get a hit. True, the constant is not so dangerous.
    2. AID.S
      AID.S 22 June 2016 08: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Sharky
      For example: why, if you connect 20 batteries in 12B in series (240B) and grab one terminal of the latter, it will not hit the current, and if you grab the phase in a socket near 220В, then it will hammer

      Oh, you’re not full conditions, you’re not complete. I solved this problem when I was 7 years old. I don’t hammer on a dry wooden floor until you grab onto zero ..
      1. Sharky
        Sharky 22 June 2016 08: 32 New
        +1
        All right, do not hammer on a dry floor (and why not hammer?). But the topic is not disclosed, sdc_alex and AID.S are already close to a solution. good .
        1. AID.S
          AID.S 22 June 2016 09: 15 New
          0
          Quote: Sharky
          topic not disclosed

          When I solved this problem, there was no permanent outlet ... well, I didn’t live in New York .. laughing
          1. Sharky
            Sharky 22 June 2016 09: 32 New
            0
            Okay, I see it’s hard to recall long-forgotten knowledge. There weren’t any keywords actually ... sdc_alex, all hope is for you! Dear experts, will you already open a black box or will there still be options? crying
            1. AID.S
              AID.S 22 June 2016 12: 40 New
              0
              Was this exactly what you were asked at the physics exam? smile
              1. Sharky
                Sharky 22 June 2016 18: 26 New
                0
                Yes, everything is within the school curriculum, the answer is below. hi
            2. a housewife
              a housewife 22 June 2016 13: 40 New
              0
              Because it’s not a power outlet, but batteries
              1. Sharky
                Sharky 22 June 2016 18: 22 New
                -1
                Yeah, but I thought that they would quickly solve the problem. It’s just right to send everyone to the exam ...
                This is the case: a person, when he grabs the phase, forms a capacitor. That is, between the legs of a person and the ground, where the zero wire is dug, there is a dielectric layer (wooden floor, etc.). It would seem that the current should not go, because there is a dielectric ... But, the property of the alternating current is such that the capacitor starts to constantly recharge and current appears in the circuit. The capacitance of the formed capacitor is small and therefore the current is also not large. But, if you stand barefoot on the ground, then it will be chopped as it should, since the circuit will simply close (zero is dug in the ground, a person conducts current). Ah, the direct current does not pass through the capacitor. Therefore, the battery does not hit.
                Physics textbook for 11th grade. Myakishev, Bukhovtsev ...
                1. Sharky
                  Sharky 22 June 2016 18: 24 New
                  0
                  Here you can read more. hi
                2. sdc_alex
                  sdc_alex 22 June 2016 19: 25 New
                  0
                  Uh, not a friend ....
                  The truth in your words is but only a fraction. Why did you drag a container here?
                  Quote: Sharky
                  between the human legs and the ground, where the zero wire is dug, there is a dielectric layer (wooden floor, etc.). It would seem that the current should not go, because there is a dielectric ... But, the property of the alternating current is such that the capacitor starts to constantly recharge and a current appears in the circuit

                  You are right, the current will flow, in such a circuit there will certainly be, but the current strength will be so small that you will never
                  Quote: Sharky
                  fucking properly?

                  Most likely you will not even feel this current.

                  Following your logic, in no case should you touch the bare phase wire with a tool with insulated handles or even with dielectric gloves worn on your hands - also a CAPACITY conducting alternating current. wink
                  Generally speaking, it is relatively safe to touch the bare phase wire with bare hands by wearing dielectric bots. Provided that you are confident in the integrity of these bots and are also confident in 100% that during such “touches” you will not touch any other part of the body of the grounded parts of something, or parts that have a potential of approximately equal ground. bully
                  1. Sharky
                    Sharky 22 June 2016 19: 49 New
                    0
                    Read inattentively. The task was not originally said to be, standing on the ground or on a dielectric (rubber boots). Therefore, I immediately considered two options:
                    1. "But, if you stand barefoot on the ground, then it will be fucking as it should, since the circuit will simply close (zero is dug into the ground, a person conducts current)."
                    2. "The capacitance of the formed capacitor is small and therefore the current is also not large." (You will not feel a small current, but this does not mean that it does not pass). I didn’t write anywhere that in rubber boots - hell, or in rubber gloves. I just explained why the current flows, but you won’t feel it (capacitor capacity is small). Review my posts.
                    The main idea is that the direct current through the capacitor does not go, and the alternating one goes.
                    So, before you sculpt the "cons" read carefully and try to understand the essence.
  8. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 22 June 2016 06: 33 New
    +2
    And they also told me that ege is a difficult thing ...
  9. Humpty
    Humpty 22 June 2016 06: 38 New
    +1
    Although elementary actions with fractions can still be performed. But a task in two actions with numbers and percentages most likely will not be able to solve 95 or more of the eleventh graders out of 100.
  10. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 22 June 2016 06: 38 New
    +1
    The last "summer decade" like in August, or am I confused?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 June 2016 06: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      The last "summer decade" like in August, or am I confused?

      in a month, three decades.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 22 June 2016 06: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        a decade or three months,

        Three months-quarter request Old Yegshnik lol
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  11. dFG
    dFG 22 June 2016 06: 40 New
    +2
    How much can you break spears about this long-suffering exam? This is a chance for admission to the university and even if it is given to many, but the first semester, a maximum of two put everything in place, without knowledge, people are simply expelled and this was everywhere and at all times
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  14. Knowing
    Knowing 22 June 2016 06: 46 New
    +1
    I would like to see how Livanov will pass those tests called the Unified State Exam ... I did not pass, please call:
  15. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 22 June 2016 06: 51 New
    0
    It was correctly said: the exam should not be mandatory. It should be optional. Admission to the university should take place, including through "live communication" with teachers.
    1. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex 22 June 2016 07: 48 New
      +2
      Live Communication Example:
  16. 96423lom
    96423lom 22 June 2016 06: 56 New
    +5
    As Comrade Stalin also said, “Cadres decide everything.” The modern education system, built on the instructions of the CIA, is aimed at depriving Russia of personnel who will revive the Great Power. you need to check those who introduced the exam on the subject where they still get paid.
    1. RussianRoulette
      RussianRoulette 22 June 2016 09: 33 New
      0
      Yes, everything is clear there, like God's day, and there is no need to check!
  17. Bramb
    Bramb 22 June 2016 07: 15 New
    +4
    I have been watching for a long time how information is presented one-sidedly. Moreover. everywhere.
    Take this article: everything seems to be right, but! Speaking only about the exam, the author smoothly switches to ALL education in the country. And this is a LIE! The exam is just an exam, the denominator for all students, no more. Schools with a mathematical, physical, chemical bias have been created and are being created in the country (I give my this year to a physics and mathematics class), schools are being created at institutes for special education in robotics, biology, etc. Where about it? Why is it NOT said that, according to the results of the exam, they are NOT accepted into a serious university? Maybe they accept them as humanitarian ones - I do not consider this group.
    In general, the article is one-sided, and it looks like a custom level "chef, fisiyo is gone." Article minus.

    PS. To the author and readers for reference: at the age of 7, my preschooler considers (at least up to a million and in the reverse order), reads, writes, adds up, switched to multiplication. And this is NOT a child prodigy, but NORMAL necessary knowledge for entering school, in first grade.
    Doesn't fit in with this little article, right? )))
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 22 June 2016 13: 32 New
      0
      Ger Oberst, let’s clarify: whose order is “Papa Zyu” or Kudrin? I don’t like it when everyone is scamming, but for this I try to understand the reason for the negative. Perhaps the usual grumbling of an old man tired of current realities is simply a gall man, or maybe one of those who say: “Putin is a dictator and generally a“ radish, ”but overseas ... therefore, you have to bring down permanent residence there or choose liberalists. : ".. looks like custom", but who is the customer?
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 22 June 2016 13: 36 New
      +2
      On the historical, my daughter acted according to the results of the exam. Do you think you don’t need math there? Historical statistics is a nightmare. And he introduced the Russian language into a stupor. The teacher wrote the word “scarf” on the blackboard, emphasized “a,” asking “what is this?” Children try - Root vowel, unstressed vowel, open syllable, something else, all are smart. She shakes her head - wrong. The correct answer is "this is the letter A." Further in the same vein and led. Well, at least only a year. And the other vice versa, the school conducted geography, deuces rained left and right. I myself saw the questions in the control - something very complicated, not at all according to the program. It turned out that she also teaches at the university, confuses where the children are, where the students are. Both ladies under 70. Why are they kept at work?
    3. a housewife
      a housewife 22 June 2016 13: 36 New
      0
      On the historical, my daughter acted according to the results of the exam. Do you think you don’t need math there? Historical statistics is a nightmare. And he introduced the Russian language into a stupor. The teacher wrote the word “scarf” on the blackboard, emphasized “a,” asking “what is this?” Children try - Root vowel, unstressed vowel, open syllable, something else, all are smart. She shakes her head - wrong. The correct answer is "this is the letter A." Further in the same vein and led. Well, at least only a year. And the other vice versa, the school conducted geography, deuces rained left and right. I myself saw the questions in the control - something very complicated, not at all according to the program. It turned out that she also teaches at the university, confuses where the children are, where the students are. Both ladies under 70. Why are they kept at work?
  18. VP
    VP 22 June 2016 07: 20 New
    +4
    Mr. Volodin, you don’t know what to do with “basic mathematics”, that it was introduced precisely at the request of a “worried population” for whom “USE is a very difficult mockery, children worry about why the future plumber needs mathematics, why make such children take difficult exams "?
    What is the problem?
    I won’t believe that you don’t know that you can’t go with the result in basic mathematics not only at Moscow State University, but even at some kind of fence-building.
    You know. But still you’re throwing.
    For what? For the love of art?
  19. parusnik
    parusnik 22 June 2016 07: 26 New
    +1
    Education, where are you rushing? Give an answer. It does not give an answer. The bell is filled with a wonderful ringing; the air rumbles and becomes the wind; everything that lands on the earth flies past, and, squinting, other peoples and states, say why you abandoned your education system ...? "
  20. Million
    Million 22 June 2016 07: 29 New
    +2
    Many excellent dzhigits apparently
  21. fa2998
    fa2998 22 June 2016 07: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: dfg
    How much can you break spears about this long-suffering exam? This is a chance for admission to the university and even if it is given to many, but the first semester, a maximum of two put everything in place, without knowledge, people are simply expelled and this was everywhere and at all times

    All these “purchased” high scores, plus the ability to send documents to different universities create a big competition. This leads to the fact that the “good” ones are left overboard. Okay, they’ll be expelled, but the second isn’t easier, they lose a year or two until they arrive. Or go to college to which "the soul does not lie."
    By the way, NOT ALL OUR graduates can not solve the problems that are in the article, but if you need a high score and parents have money, please go to a separate office, there they will solve everything. negative laughing hi
    1. VP
      VP 22 June 2016 08: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: fa2998
      All these "purchased" high scores

      I have a strong suspicion that the vine on the exam is caused by the very problematic buy high scores.
      It used to be just wonderful: at graduation school it was always possible to agree, upon admission there was also an established business in the selection committees, people made this state in just a couple of summer months. A place in the waiting room was almost inherited. If suddenly what happened (for example, a member of the waiting room became ill), then a thoroughly tested comrade was put in place of the retired fighter, who almost notarized that after returning this fighter he would voluntarily return this heated place.
      And here - cut off.
      Now you are in the selection committee, but no one is running towards you to "agree to enter a position." And now, some obscure Vani from Ryazan and Vladimirov, even if they have excellently completed their physics schools, fall into the competition places, and the distinguished children of Ashot from Nazran or Vsevolod Oskoldovich fly from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs while not even in the first hundred. Disgrace, agree? Only the business of tutors remains. But there you need to plow with the children, there is not two months of sitting in the admissions office, and the money is completely different.
      So old proven personnel rush into the attack with the requirements "to allow the university to accept on the basis of its test".
      Everything was firmly pushed away from the feeder.
  22. volodya
    volodya 22 June 2016 07: 40 New
    0
    For more than ten years Zadornov has been talking about this, but no one wants to hear him, but in vain!
  23. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 22 June 2016 07: 41 New
    +5
    Oh and whiners. I have been following this exam for 10 years .. I periodically solve tests in my subjects. And this year I decided to really go write an ege in Russian. To plunge, so to speak. What used to be .. and that this year .. a huge difference. And promotion is for the better. Tests are phased out. In particular, in Russian. I immediately remembered my Russian language textbook. Practice. All exercises are exactly from there. I am satisfied in Russian. It seems like in biology and chemistry, too, tests from next year will be canceled. This is a plus. Is it really bad? OK. The tasks are different ... there are simple ones ... there are complex ones. I would still raise the lower threshold for the certificate. In Russian, for example, up to 50 points.
    In general, work on the bugs is underway.
    And the advantages of ege are very large. As I remember ... I entered two universities. Oh, and suffered ... passing 6 exams in a month. And now you don’t have to waste nerves at all. A plus.
    In mathematics I will not say. I didn’t decide. Yes, and completely forgot this subject. Although there were no problems at school.
    1. VP
      VP 22 June 2016 08: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: Alexander S.
      And the advantages of ege are very large.

      Here this opinion is very unpopular.
      The people greatly idealize the system "write an exam of three or four tasks that your teacher will check"
    2. AID.S
      AID.S 22 June 2016 08: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander S.
      As I remember ... I entered two universities.

      At the same time? Broke the system?
  24. Tsoy
    Tsoy 22 June 2016 07: 48 New
    +1
    The most inexplicable happens right before the end. When guests from other parts of the country appear in the Siberian outback. Strange why you can not donate?
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 22 June 2016 15: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Choi
      The most inexplicable happens right before the end. When guests from other parts of the country appear in the Siberian outback. Strange why you can not donate?

      What are you talking about, God forgive me. Exams are taken at special points. All rooms have 2 cameras. There is a round-the-clock broadcast. You cannot turn off the cameras or change the angle. If the broadcast stops during the exam, everyone will retake. Any! a person, if desired, can find any school and watch the exam in a live broadcast, in any region, even Siberia, even Dagestan.
  25. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 22 June 2016 07: 54 New
    +1
    Education in the country is aimed at reducing the intellectual level of the population. Slaves should not be smarter than the owners. And so, there are two pleasures for the world hegemon: the cost of education is rather big and the mental development is low.
    Examination in itself is progress. When teachers took exams, there was a subjective approach, in the specialties with high competition. The commission was faced with the task of enrolling alone, and filling up competitors. And they failed, they knew that they were wrong, but they underestimated the grades.
    Unified State Examination blocked this trap. And then the next stage of pushing the necessary offspring began - to reduce the complexity of the tasks. The examples presented in the article indicate that out of the 11 academic years, 6 years were superfluous.
    This is not a USE that must be abandoned; it must be driven officials away from education from the places they occupy, because their activity is a detriment to national security. Only who will drive them out, they are doing the work of colonizing the country, for the sake of the current elite. So the “golden” youth with rotten guts drives around the capital. Such is the property of modern gold.
    1. nadezhiva
      nadezhiva 22 June 2016 11: 25 New
      +1
      The examples given in the article do not say anything. Because they are pulled from the basic exam, which does not go for admission to a university.
      Examination really, many like a bone in the throat. But for most gifted children, this is a social elevator. Without the USE, they would have almost no chance of entering the leading universities of the country.
  26. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 22 June 2016 08: 49 New
    +1
    All in all seriousness
    Who is he, this Serious? What is it? I just can’t get used to it. Hearing hearing eyes))
  27. Kenneth
    Kenneth 22 June 2016 08: 53 New
    +1
    Yes, the basic exam in mathematics is simple and primitive. But specialized universities do not need a basic exam. And the one that is not basic this year has become very complicated.
  28. evil partisan
    evil partisan 22 June 2016 08: 58 New
    +2
    Dear Alexey! hi I fully share your desire to make our secondary education more perfect, especially in the field of natural sciences and mathematics, because he graduated from the faculty of physics at one time and all my work was connected with science, industry and the educational process. However, do not dramatize the situation in secondary education. Still, the most important education in his life a person receives himself, in the process of self-education. A school is just a small window into the world of knowledge, giving a small person initial knowledge about the nature and structure of the world, the language of his and other countries, etc. One who wants to become an engineer, computer programmer, electronic engineer, materials scientist, doctor, astronomer, biologist and etc. always find a way to do this and easily fill all the gaps in school education itself or with the help of university professors. Fortunately, the public need for highly skilled workers and engineers in our country has already formed. And this is the main point. The rest (and the exam in particular) is already a detail. And further. The education of LOVELY people is a purely state task. And the State should not take off from this task. In the end: "Science is a way to satisfy the curiosity of individuals at the expense of the state." - when it was still said ...
  29. Aventurinka
    Aventurinka 22 June 2016 09: 21 New
    +4

    No one talks better about the exam, in my opinion.
  30. NordUral
    NordUral 22 June 2016 09: 29 New
    +2
    Yeah, the heyday of high school ... In the distant 1966, there were only three fives in my math exams at the institute exams. A crook from education will ruin the country.
  31. Bort radist
    Bort radist 22 June 2016 10: 01 New
    +4
    We have an ordinary school, the profile is not mathematical.
    11 class
    Maths:
    base - surrendered everything;
    profile - an average score of 44, passed everything.
    Russian language - an average score of 81, one 100 balnitsa (the second year there are graduates of 100 points), several people scored 96, 98 each. I repeat in grade 10 they took everyone. In Russian, they showed the result above the gymnasiums. In our area (sleeping) there are 4 restrooms.
    Social Studies average mark - 64.
    Several children have submitted documents to St. Petersburg, they will probably do so.
    The performance of children is almost 100% dependent on the mutual understanding of children and teachers. Another thing is that a certain number (far from all) neither want to learn by any system. The vocational schools were removed, and a wall was formed on which teachers, parents and children are fighting. I am not an ardent champion of the exam, but there is a rational kernel in the system. And I repeat: if parents raise their children correctly, the child has a desire to learn, the teacher knows his subject from and to. No matter how our enemies try, we will always have the best minds, scientists and discoveries. The general higher is not necessary. Turners, milling workers of the 6th category do for the country maybe more than generators of ideas.
  32. Rostislav
    Rostislav 22 June 2016 10: 01 New
    +2
    What is the goal of the ministry of education to ensure that the next generation does not know how to think?

    Destroy the country, what else. You can’t take it by force, now they are trying to get inside, - "European values", etc. But the exam is necessary to make it easier to manipulate these "educated."
  33. afrikanez
    afrikanez 22 June 2016 10: 08 New
    +1
    It’s time to end the sabotage in education, those responsible for the chopping block for treason. Only this way and not otherwise. angry
  34. Super Black
    Super Black 22 June 2016 10: 12 New
    +4
    The tasks are really not difficult, but when I entered the university (in the era before the exam), the tasks were also not difficult, not the same as at MIPT or MSTU, and it was much easier to enter than to study later. Out of 52 people in my specialty I finished my diploma 24. The university itself is engaged in filtering and not the selection committee, I think the approach is correct and in this case there is no difference ege-neege. The approach is very reliable.
    1. AK64
      AK64 22 June 2016 10: 39 New
      -1
      The tasks are really not difficult, but when I entered the university (in the era before the exam), the tasks were also not difficult, not the same as at MIPT or MSTU, and it was much easier to enter than to study later. Out of 52 people in my specialty I finished my diploma 24. The university itself is engaged in filtering and not the selection committee, I think the approach is correct and in this case there is no difference ege-neege. The approach is very reliable.


      Your logic is amazing to me.
      Look, you have finished out of 52 accepted 24, that is, less than half.
      And you consider such and such selection "reliable" and "correct"?

      And in my opinion it would be easier and much cheaper to accept people on the basis of school graduation --- and the result would be the same.

      Entrance exams were necessary for one reason --- from Central Asia and the Caucasus, "excellent" and "medalists" crowded. It was them that were necessary, if not eliminated, then at least checked.
      1. Super Black
        Super Black 22 June 2016 12: 45 New
        0
        I consider it reliable and correct. In any case, fools will not pass such a filtering system, while there is less chance of eliminating good students at the entrance exam stage due to random factors.
        1. AK64
          AK64 22 June 2016 12: 55 New
          0
          With a final delivery of less than 50%, it would be cheaper and easier to accept according to the results of school exams.
  35. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 22 June 2016 10: 36 New
    0
    To send children to study abroad is not patriotic and "but where did the money come from, but show the declaration."
    To send children to our schools - “they don’t teach Nicherta there”, “future victims of the Unified State Exam”, now they’ve got to the bottom of graduation parties. As the saying goes: "You either put on your underpants or take off the cross." The audience is constantly unhappy.
  36. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 22 June 2016 10: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    Yes, if now the author, with a Soviet education, was given the exam, in mathematics, he would surely fail him miserably.

    Of course I would have failed now! Each has its own time. I’m sure that even in 1989 the Soviet schoolchildren would have passed excellent marks, and to argue that the author hasn’t passed the exam now, at least not logically. How much time has passed since the school Personally, I once did well both in higher mathematics and in the TOERC and OTS, but that doesn’t mean that I would have passed it with the same result. To the author +! EGE is just stupid coaching without the basics of logic. Having solved the same problems, anyone can show result.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 June 2016 14: 26 New
      -1
      You try to pass first this "Dumb coaching without the basics of logic" - especially part C - it is not the same type in the exam.
  37. atamankko
    atamankko 22 June 2016 10: 43 New
    0
    Need to turn to school
    and not to officials from education.
  38. bandabas
    bandabas 22 June 2016 10: 50 New
    +1
    The difference between the Soviet school was that it was necessary to explain not only how, but also why. Of course, there were also minuses, but homework did not consist of a choice of 3-5 points for answering the question. I know, since my daughter is now in the 6th grade. In short, they are slowly destroying the country.
    1. Kotr
      Kotr 22 June 2016 11: 21 New
      -1
      The current education is profanity. Very illiterate, and even militants. There are no literate journalists. All the professionals have left the Soviet school. Is it really difficult to learn at least the correct stress?
      Sorrel, croutons, croutons, etc.? Interlinear even on the central channels are illiterate. For this you need to drive from work! After all, the ignoramuses on TV increase the number of ignoramuses at times! It's sad.
  39. tilix
    tilix 22 June 2016 11: 06 New
    +3
    The author is right, of course, but does not fully explain why. The fact is that evaluations of such events must obey the law of "Normal Distribution", and with 40% of excellent students, Gauss does not smell.
    1. ishty
      ishty 22 June 2016 11: 26 New
      0
      And they add a factor, apparently. This factor may be the percentage suitable for the profile exam.
    2. evil partisan
      evil partisan 22 June 2016 13: 56 New
      0
      Quote: tilix
      evaluations of such activities should be subject to the law of "Normal Distribution"

      Just not the same. Education is not a random process. Analogy: if you ask the question "What will be 2x2?" random people on the street, then the Gaussian distribution will not get request no matter how you try ...
      1. tilix
        tilix 22 June 2016 14: 18 New
        +2
        then the Gaussian distribution does not get
        Why do we need a street, we can assume that anyone older than 7 years old will answer correctly, and younger in age up to infants, with varying degrees of success. And what will this tell us? What would know the home would live in Sochi?
        As I understand the author, the exam should not be a memory of dozens of times the decision repeated, but should be a reflection of his own thoughts and understanding. In such conditions, the notorious bell must appear. Otherwise, the exam is not in mathematics with a due degree of difficulty, but let's say, in spelling with a mat. bias.
        Therefore, he wrote that the author "does not fully explain." IMHO, the right exam, with a due degree of difficulty, will give Gauss.
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 22 June 2016 15: 08 New
          0
          Quote: tilix
          we can assume that anyone older than 7 years old will answer correctly, and younger in age up to infants, with varying degrees of success.

          All the same, you will not receive Gauss. The age distribution will be clearly with a maximum after 20 years. Yes, and assignments in mathematics are performed by no one horrible (... babies under 7 years old repeat ), namely, those who have studied in the required volume (well, like, I studied ...) all the mathematics course necessary at this stage of training. I'm not talking about the fact that some respondents according to your method have not yet been taught to talk ... So your example with Gauss doesn’t work either request.
          hi
          1. tilix
            tilix 22 June 2016 21: 28 New
            +1
            Maybe I didn’t explain it so? Yes, we won’t get Gauss with your example, I don’t argue, but for the same reason there is no Gauss in this exam. It should be. If not, then it’s not that they will examine. What Gauss, at forty percent then?
            1. evil partisan
              evil partisan 23 June 2016 10: 15 New
              0
              Quote: tilix
              It should be.

              Once again I explain: education is not random, but an ordered process, the purpose of which is reliable, and I repeat - reliable receipt by students of knowledge in a certain volume. Due to the orderliness of the process itself and, consequently, of the exam, as an integral part of the process, we will not receive a Gaussian distribution. A simple example: we bring a class from a physical-mat school for an math exam in a regular school. Well, what kind of Gauss will we get then?
  40. Megalord
    Megalord 22 June 2016 11: 07 New
    +1
    I see here the majority is indignant, not paying attention to the fact that the author is distorting the facts, speaking about excellent students in the exam. Basic mathematics is taken into account, passing which you will not be able to enter a university for an engineering or economic specialty, or another, where a mathematical mindset is required.
    Passing the basic exam in mathematics is very simple and only checks the mastery of the school curriculum at the level of "4". At that time, how to pass the profile exam in mathematics by 70-80 points is already a very big achievement, because students are practically not being prepared for him, but assignments from an advanced level.
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 22 June 2016 19: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Megalord
      Passing the basic exam in mathematics is very simple and only checks the mastery of the school curriculum at the level of "4".

      What is it about, Colleague! fellow
  41. Ride78
    Ride78 22 June 2016 11: 25 New
    +3
    In fact, which shows the girl on the first desk, much can already be said about her and her future.
  42. Erg
    Erg 22 June 2016 12: 25 New
    -1
    Nothing. Soon, "teachers" who passed the ege will "catch up" ... In, then the result will trample. wassat
  43. Ilya77
    Ilya77 22 June 2016 13: 28 New
    +1
    As much as you can whine about the Unified State Examination, today's children are no more stupid than you, the Soviet education has brought up not only engineers and scientists, but all this gangster shusher of the 90s and the current corruption layer. The unified state exam in the presently completely corrupt country is a chance for many to enroll without prestige in a prestigious university, and the reverse introduction of examinations in schools and universities will dissolve corruption even more and pressure will increase even more on teachers. It would be better if they attended to free meals and textbooks in schools.
  44. Evil 55
    Evil 55 22 June 2016 15: 11 New
    0
    Laughter, laughter, but in the Far East There were no such idiotic tasks .. Neither in the basic, nor in the profile .. EGE, that in mathematics, that in physics, that in social science was really harder than in Western subjects .. Perhaps in order to "consolidate" the potential in the regions, possibly from some one else's "interests" or "assigned tasks." In classes of 30% who have not passed the minimum threshold, these are not teaching flaws, but a "setting" to displace residents Siberia and the Far East to techies, colleges and vocational schools for the development of "working professions", free hands for "high intellectual "majors from the Western regions ..
    1. Alexander S.
      Alexander S. 22 June 2016 18: 38 New
      +2
      Where is your evidence?
  45. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 22 June 2016 19: 20 New
    +2
    USE is debilitation, how will applicants at universities study with such knowledge?
    1. Erg
      Erg 22 June 2016 22: 20 New
      +2
      Helped repair a friend. In the process, the question "circle area" arose. He asked (for the sake of jokes) from the daughter of a friend (3rd year inst.). She doesn’t know, she climbed into an iPhone ... belay If you try to use literary devices in a conversation with her, you don’t know the characters (Dumas, Druon, Cooper, Scott, etc.). He looks at me as an alien ... But he and his friends know how to "hang out" and "protrude" ... Girls are 20-22, and in the head are partying. My mother gave birth to 17. Work, evening institute. And that was not a feat ...
  46. Egor123
    Egor123 22 June 2016 20: 45 New
    +1
    So, in St. Petersburg, “graduating” from school costs about 20 thousand rubles (this is an average of one of the gymnasiums), but in Sakhalin there are frequent cases of graduation balls of 80 thousand per person ...


    I don’t know how everywhere, but this year I graduated from the 9 class and paid only 2 thousands, I live in the Stavropol Territory wink
  47. the same doctor
    the same doctor 22 June 2016 21: 50 New
    +1
    The author is malicious or incompetent. The five in basic mathematics does not give the right to enter a university, because all its insinuations are groundless. If the exam were tougher, then the author would likewise denounce the pointlessness of mockery of future vocational schools. Grantoed? And who released him with this subversive nonsense to the public?
  48. serverny
    serverny 23 June 2016 01: 44 New
    +2
    The “level” of USE successes perfectly shows that the Russian Federation ceased to take first places at international mathematics competitions, although the USSR occupied them once every 2-3 years.
    Children did not become dumber, but it is obvious that the system has learned to kill the craving for knowledge and self-improvement in talented promising children.
  49. D. Dan
    D. Dan 23 June 2016 07: 21 New
    0
    No, all the same, Soviet education was better! Well, except for any water about the history of the revolution
  50. valbar
    valbar 23 June 2016 14: 47 New
    +1
    Dear Alexey Volodin! Before throwing a stone into education, I advise you to understand the structure of the math exam. After all, they passed the basic level perfectly. It is important only for obtaining a certificate, but does not give a right to enter a university! For this, the students pass the exam in mathematics of a profile level. And the results of teachers and schools have long been compared not by these results, but by the number of graduates who enrolled in universities on a budgetary basis! And you did it like gossip women in the market!