Education, where are you rushing? .. About 40% of "excellent students" at the exam in mathematics

The last June decade is in the yard, which means the time for summing up the Unified State Exam, the time of graduation balls, and also the time of official reports from education about the direction in which the level of competencies of Russian graduates moves in comparison with previous years.

So, about the reports ... Here, as usual, everything is truly great. On the official portal of the Unified State Exam externally positive news overwhelmed each other.

Here are a few news headlines:

The average score for the base exam in mathematics in 2016 increased to 4,14 3,95 score in 2015.

Rosobrnadzor: the number of failed exam in 2016 year has halved.

EGE-2016: the exam is not so terrible as it is painted.

Getting acquainted with the materials presented on the site, you can learn a lot of interesting things. A lot ... It turns out that Russian mathematical education again "storms beyond the clouds", so much so that in the overwhelming majority of cases the basic exam in the "queen of sciences" on the "good" and "excellent" writes the vast majority of 11-graders. No joke ... Everything is quite serious. Press Service of the Rosobrnadzor 16 June of this year publishes a message in which it says that the “basic math” on 5 points passed (attention!) to almost 40% (or more precisely - 39,4%) of Russian graduates.

40 PERCENT REMARKS ON MATHEMATICS !!! Against the background of such a result, even the Soviet school of mathematics, as they say, nervously smokes on the sidelines ... Literally every second graduate is either Perelman or Kolmogorov ...

From a statement by the chairman of the federal commission of developers of measuring measurement materials (in other words, assignments for the Unified State Exam) in mathematics Ivan Yashchenko:

We see that more prepared applicants will come to universities this year.

After such a statement, I want to ask a question: Ivan Valerievich, you, of course, are a respected person, but since when did you decide to troll so thickly the level of training of a modern Russian graduate? Tell me, what kind of mega reserves are there in the domestic, sorry, to all the places of the reformed education system have opened, that we already have 40 eleventh-graders out of a hundred in the exam in one of the most difficult subjects of the school program receive excellent grades?

And Ivan Valeryevich Yashchenko, the person who took the most direct part in the development of the very KIMs (tasks) for the USE, it’s time to admit to himself that his trolling is really thick, and that the system of control measurement tasks with each subsequent year It is built so that at least 1%, but to cover the results of the previous year. Otherwise, there will be drawbacks in the reporting documentation, indicating a drop in the “level of training”, and for officials it’s like a knife in one place ...

If the task bias for the exam in the direction of explicit primitivization persists, then there is a version that in 5-6 the number of “mathematical” (and not only) excellent students in our country will not even 40, but all 80 percent. Why are there eighty ... Give all 100%!

Quintessence of Reform

To, so to speak, plunge into the mathematical "thorns" of the modern basic Unified State Examination are a few recent examples from the CIM:
Fractional Task:

When you familiarize yourself with this task, the question again arises, is it exactly an exam for 11 students of the school class, or is it a question of examining the fifth or sixth grade? ..

Here are some more examples:

And this is from the “more complicated” series (“practically uncountable” ... integral calculus cannot be compared in any way ...):

Well, almost Lenin's "step forward, two steps back", if you do not take into account the philosophy that "forward" for a snail, and that "back" for a snail ...

With this type of assignment for 11 grades, the math exam turns into something formal. Moreover, with such an approach to the examination tasks of even the above-mentioned 5-6 years to achieve the 100% of “excellent students” in mathematics, it seems, a bit too much. In order to improve the "quality" of school education, in their reporting compilers of KIM and representatives of the Federal Service for Supervision of Education of the Year through 2-3 will have to enter into the EGE set the tasks from the elementary school mathematics ... Masha has one apple, Petya has two pears - how many fruits do children have? ..

In general, the USE, as they are trying to convince us, is extremely beneficial - and children, on the basis of knowledge about how long the snail will be at the top of the tree, enter higher educational institutions.

It's funny ... No, it's not funny at all ...

But the results of such a unified state examination today are also becoming an instrument of competition between schools.
Marivanna: I have 30 honors from 55.

Poor work, Marivanna; I have 99 from 100! ..

But, as they say, the unified state examination is not the only one ... It is not only by the results of the exams that modern schools “measure up”. The other day ia TASS published a remarkable material, which provides data on how much money the family of schoolchildren in different regions spend on graduation balls. So, in St. Petersburg, “graduating” from school costs about 20 thousand rubles (this is an average of one of the gymnasiums), but on Sakhalin there are frequent cases of graduation balls for 80 thousand per person ...

From TASS material (the words of the mother of one of the graduates):

Everything depends on the status of the school (lyceum, gymnasium or simple school), its location (city or suburb), and of course, on the number of children in the parallel or class. For example, my son is studying in a school in the village of Dalnee (a suburb of Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk). We have one 11 class, in which 13 guys. The cost of the services of the animator (regardless of the number of children) - 40 thousand rubles, DJ with light music - 20 thousand. And in the third gymnasium - 90 graduates, respectively, these services for them are almost an order of magnitude cheaper per person.

Animators, DJs, neon jungles, white limousines with champagne. What else? Order strip, hookah halls, tasting in the wine cellar? Everything - for graduates walking towards adulthood ...

An entire business empire revolves around schoolchildren, ready to offer services ranging from symbolic gifts to teachers and modest hairstyles and dresses to “gifts” to the school in the form of furniture and expensive classrooms (classrooms). And expensive "gifts" - exclusively, you know, voluntarily ... Well, if the school helped prepare so that the child could solve the problem of the cochlea on the USE, so some parents are ready to "voluntarily" roll for the sake of such a budget organization of the mountain ...

Against this background, the information that Russian schoolchildren won the international Olympiad in mathematics and IT or demonstrated a high level of knowledge during a different tournament of intellectuals is perceived, unfortunately, not as a completely ordinary event for our country, but as something that happens contrary to, than thanks ...

Comments

[insular]

Well, graduation parties and then what ?! Parents want to suffer nonsense and spend money on their right. What do you care?
You probably think that gurgling schools are forcing?

And I want to note, parents who buy children graduation for 80 thousand - the exam did not pass. They passed, quite racially complete and academically impeccable, exams in Soviet schools ...

They would have remembered better how ordinary exams were passed. Who did not pass only full oligophrenics, despite all the efforts and help of teachers. And what a feeding trough was when entering the university. How the medalists were pulled, to whom it is disgusting to give chYuguniy for gold, about whom the teachers said "five write two in mind."

USE does not protect, but I do not understand hysteria. Especially when everything is in a heap and balls, and horses, and dog kennels ...

[The black]

USE does not protect, but I do not understand hysteria. Especially when everything is in a heap and balls, and horses, and dog kennels ...

I agree. I know that the USE has a lot of opponents, but personally I am for it. At least in the exact sciences. Changes, of course, are needed, but the content, not the form, needs to be changed.

[Aleksander]

Quote: Black

I agree. I know that the USE has a lot of opponents, but personally I am for it. At least in the exact sciences

You are in favor of these mat. tasks for school graduates for oligophrenics?
In 70 in the 5 class at the exam, we solved problems more difficult.
And on graduations there were logarithms and integrals ...
And thisWHAT?!

[The black]

You are in favor of these mat. tasks for school graduates for oligophrenics?

You are not careful

it is necessary to change not the form, but the content.

[nadezhiva]

What is the argument about? There is a basic exam in mathematics, which does not go anywhere except for the certificate. There is a profile, which goes to enter the university. These are exams that are absolutely different in level. What to take is chosen by children (usually parents).
People who shout at the top of their voices about the harm and meaninglessness of the exam have NEVER tried to solve the profile option. If they did, the cries were about something else: "Do not scoff at the children." Last year's mathematics drove many to a nervous breakdown. Both school teachers and tutors. I'm talking about part "C". They said that physics was quite difficult this year. Those who hand over it are shaking. Results only in July. A child who had a stable 5 in physics (physics and mathematics school + tutors) did not manage to solve 3 tasks. Nonsense.

[andj61]

Quote: nadezhiva

People who shout at the top of their voices about the harm and meaninglessness of the exam have NEVER tried to solve the profile option. If they did, the cries were about something else: "Do not scoff at the children."

Totally agree!

[Andrey NM]

The profile part is very difficult this year. The basic exam for admission is not needed, a simple formality, but the profile ... Mine also did not have time to complete 3 tasks, but did 2 tasks from part "C", so the score is high, but was afraid that I did it wrong. At the same time, he said that they did not solve such tasks at school, and in various "Reshebniks" and examples they were not, he did "on a whim." The result was on the nerves. By the way, this expectation winds up the children even more. And about 80% of the graduates scored 3 points and higher in the country, while up to 25% of the children could not pass the profile mathematics (the numbers differ in different regions).

[Erg]

Quote: nadezhiva

There is a profile, which goes to enter the university. These are exams that are absolutely different in level. What to take is chosen by children (usually parents).

There are such concepts as discipline, hard work, the desire to benefit the Motherland. Have you forgotten? And we, with this exam, took another step towards cultivating a mentally disabled stratum ... I graduated from school in the 80s, and I remember something else that the teachers put into us. And they raised us all as equals with the brain. And if you are a C, then it's a shame. And you are there "A, B, C" ...

[73petia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GNfJut-dyo

[Monarchist]

Field Marshal, I report: sheer dibilism, and my uncle, that in the ass falls from enthusiasm in mathematics, urgently to a fool!

[nadezhiva]

Quote: Monarchist

Field Marshal, I report: sheer dibilism, and my uncle, that in the ass falls from enthusiasm in mathematics, urgently to a fool!

You urgently to the exam in Russian. But in general, because of what is all the fuss? I have the impression that the author of the article is not aware of the topic of passing the exam in mathematics. The jerky examples do not mean anything. Moreover, from the word Absolutely. Advice to the author: You need to solve the WHOLE exam exam package, which goes to enter the university. Then you will laugh at yourself for a long time.
Do not have fun in the basic version. Let's in profile.
http://www.ctege.info/ege-po-matematike/dosrochnyiy-ege-po-matematike-2016-profi
lnyiy-uroven.html

[insular]

Quote: nadezhiva

I have the impression that the author of the article is not aware of the topic of passing the exam in mathematics

The author of the article is hypocrites. There is an order to omit the education system in the eyes of the public - done. Threw pictures on public display from the introduction and passed it off for the entire exam. Favored delirium about balls, off-topic pictures and so joyful to himself.
And this same public, can only bawl about the fact that the USE grows vegetables that do not know how to think critically, while at the same time they are not able to simply check the information about this USE itself.
In general, this topic is better than any exam revealed individuals with a lack of thinking.

[Monarchist]

Hauptmann, let me ask you: who ordered the author to "lower the education system in the eyes of the public ..."? I am just sure that the public is trying to convince the USE is necessary. I admit that the creators of the exam wanted the best, but it turned out as always.

[iwakura]

Not this way.
Agree, the basic part is too simple, its results show nothing, i.e. grade in the certificate "nothing at all."
On the other hand, the specialized part is inadequately difficult in relation to the level of knowledge and skills given by the school (if you believe the reviews). Thus, the profile part is handed over not by those who are smarter, but whose parents can "pour more money" into additional classes

[nadezhiva]

No, that’s not always the case. On the Internet there are most versions of the exam in past years. With solutions to them, by the way. And absolutely free. Here the question is not in the dough, but in the craving for knowledge. More precisely, in enhanced motivation. Interested children and without tutors surf the Internet and decide. Books with olympiad assignments, with USE options cost ridiculous money. Again, the Internet has almost all the answers. Additional classes and money spent on them will go nowhere if the child has no motivation. In this option, the child will practically engage individually with a tutor or in general preparatory classes at the same HSE.

[AK64]

You need to solve the whole exam exam package, which goes to enter the university. Then you will laugh at yourself for a long time.
Do not have fun in the basic version. Let's in profile.

I looked.
There are no integrals or derivatives. They are not in the program?
In principle, all that is on this sheet is the 8th grade in the USSR.

Trigonometry is also presented primitively.

Of course, it’s hard for me to calculate the squares of the sines from .... something there, but I can manage to choose something from the answer.

PS: as before, there is no probability theory or statistics. But this was a very serious drawback of the Soviet program.

[nadezhiva]

Quote: AK64

Trigonometry is also presented primitively.
Of course, it’s hard for me to calculate the squares of the sines from .... something there, but I can manage to choose something from the answer.

PS: as before, there is no probability theory or statistics. But this was a very serious drawback of the Soviet program.

You rarely contradict yourself

If chess player A. plays with white pieces, then he wins chess player B.
with a probability of 0,5. If A. plays black, then A. wins B.
with a probability of 0,32. Chess players A. and B. play two games, moreover
in the second batch they change the color of the figures. Find the probability that A.
will win both times.

Statistics, of course, is thought, but God forbid it (thought) is heard in the Ministry of Education. On the topic that it’s difficult for you, I’m afraid that you are disingenuous. Is trigonometry primitive for you and a dip in sine squares?
The phrase killed. And after this your phrase you boast of your education and spread rot for today's graduates for their knowledge

something there, but I’ll be able to choose something from the answer.

My friend, you are a demagogue. Moreover, the highest standard.

[AK64]

You rarely contradict yourself

Not at all

If chess player A. plays with white pieces, then he wins chess player B.
with a probability of 0,5. If A. plays black, then A. wins B.
with a probability of 0,32. Chess players A. and B. play two games, moreover
in the second batch they change the color of the figures. Find the probability that A.
will win both times.

Sorry: I did not see --- I did not read at all. He looked at the general level.

Statistics, of course, is thought, but God forbid it (thought) is heard in the Ministry of Education.

Why "God forbid"? And why do you write "God" with a small letter?

On the topic that it’s difficult for you, I’m afraid that you are disingenuous. Is trigonometry primitive for you and a dip in sine squares?

You are right, already on the bus I realized that there is used twice the sum of the sine square and cosine square.

But the fact is that this is a test of attentiveness, or quick wit - but not a test of knowledge. Acumen is certainly good, but grades are for the knowledge of mathematics!

The phrase killed. And after this your phrase you boast about your education and spread rot to today's graduates for their knowledge laughing
something there, but I’ll be able to choose something from the answer.
My friend, you are a demagogue. Moreover, the highest standard.

The transition to personality as a typical argument scoop?
Well - this is certainly killer. As the saying goes, you can't argue. ("You can't argue" because cultured people don't argue about personalities.)
Here in the last conversation, I brought two of these in an emergency. (And one of them, imagine, publicly insulting me, ran to me to complain to the administration when I noticed in response that he was a boor)

[nadezhiva]

Do not bay. No one goes over to personality. Just ALL the critics amicably scolded the exam for the roulette of choice. What if a dunno guesses and gets a good grade. And here you are ...

Of course, it’s hard for me to calculate the squares of sines from .... something there, but I’ll be able to choose from the answer.

Have fun.
To be honest, I have long been gnawing at the idea that mathematicians are not needed right now, just well-considered and well-versed in all-all-all the rules. NOT NEEDED. The technique does an excellent job of this. There is a targeted search for children with non-standard logic and ingenuity. Part of the programs and mass Olympiads from grade 1 are imprisoned for this.
Somehow

[AK64]

Do not bay.

Madam, do not be rude.
I’m warning for the second time - he’s also the last one (I’m going down to the floor; a man or a little man there would have thrown out in an emergency the first time).

No one goes over to personality.

You and go. Soviet habits?

Just ALL the critics amicably scolded the exam for the roulette of choice. What if a dunno guesses and gets a good grade. And here you are ...

I have noticed several times that criticizing is not necessary for the exam, but for the program. Moreover, I believe that the exam is a good reasonable introduction (although I would have left the entrance exam for a couple of the best universities, such as Moscow State University.)

At the same time, I cannot help but notice that in some cases the choice of answers helps. But this, if desired, can be taken into account in statistics.
So I'm not talking about a method, but about a specific level.

Of course, it’s hard for me to calculate the squares of the sines from .... something there, but I can manage to choose something from the answer.

Naturally, I can

To be honest, I have long been gnawing at the idea that mathematicians are not needed right now, just well-considered and well-versed in all-all-all the rules. NOT NEEDED. The technique does an excellent job of this.

Tse-tse-tse-tse ...

At the courses of accountants, the wife amazed the locals by "guessing" the common divisor. Local girls with huge eyes "and HOW did you do IT ??? Open the secret!" But the teacher immediately understood: "girls, if you learn the multiplication table at least up to 5, it will greatly change your life as accountants"

In any subject, including mathematics, there is a set of knowledge - something that is simple and commonplace to know. And it would be necessary to check first knowledge, and only then ingenuity.

There is a targeted search for children with non-standard logic and ingenuity. Part of the programs and mass Olympiads from grade 1 are imprisoned for this.

Yeah - and as a result .... the results of international competitions, right? Russia has 2 victories, while the USSR won about once every two years.

It, of course, may not be so strong. But the fact is the fact: if supposedly "they develop ingenuity," then where are the results?

[nadezhiva]

results of international olympiads, right? Russia has 2 victories, while the USSR won about once every two years.
It, of course, may not be so strong. But the fact is the fact: if supposedly "they develop ingenuity," then where are the results?

Those flights that I know, we flew on the nuances of English / American. Those. write math in English ... and fly .... At the international level, we often win in computer science than in math.

In any subject, including mathematics, there is a set of knowledge - something that is simple and commonplace to know. And it would be necessary to check first knowledge, and only then ingenuity.

You will not believe , but it checks the basic exam. An example with your wife: did she need something higher than that level at those courses? Hardly.

although I would have left the entrance exam for a couple of the best universities, such as Moscow State University.

Would you leave So when you enter the Moscow State University and pass 1 additional exam. Rent everything. And the medalists, and stobalniki, and all others. How many years. Points are summarized with the exam.

Soviet habits?

Is everything so soviet about you?

[insular]

Quote: Aleksander

At 70m in the 5th grade at the exam, we solved problems more difficult. And on graduations there were logarithms and integrals ...

If you are not in the know, then the logarithms and integrals are excluded from the school curriculum long before the exam.

[Aleksander]

Quote: insular

If you are not in the know, then the logarithms and integrals are excluded from the school curriculum long before the exam.

Yes, forty years have passed.
It’s strange ... But what can one do without them in technical universities, higher mathematics immediately goes on, and the theory, the incriminating evidence without them, cannot be studied and understood ....

[iwakura]

Strange, and in what period did this happen? graduated from the school in the 90s was still there, as well as statistics, series and the beginning of the analysis.

[CONTROL]

Quote: Aleksander

You are in favor of these mat. tasks for school graduates for oligophrenics?
In 70 in the 5 class at the exam, we solved problems more difficult.
And on graduations there were logarithms and integrals ...
And thisWHAT?!

Something seemed to me that in the 9th-10th grades there was no trigonometry ... I didn’t find such tasks in the textbooks! or am I mistaken? Is there a special course, or what? ...
-------
Problem solving where you need to solve a triangle using arc functions - approximate, non-stomatomatical; and even transcendental numbers are avoided ... A strange program! ...
As for the scatter of the results of exams in mathematics - it is proved that it is periodically born - it is formed, educated ...- More mathematically gifted children; also - technically (there are all kinds of inventors ...), medically - doctors, surgeons, etc. - the same with writers, artists, actors ... The cyclic process - talents are not scattered in time, but are concentrated in certain periods; is the time for mathematicians? ...
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... like a popular sign confirmed by thousands of years of observation - more boys are born before the coming great war ...
... by the way - the last 15-20 years ...

[andj61]

Quote: Aleksander

In 70 in the 5 class at the exam, we solved problems more difficult.
And on graduations there were logarithms and integrals ...
And what's that?!

And how many tasks were in the 70s?
Now there’s an order of magnitude more!
No need to prove theorems, no need to explain topics in mathematics, no verbal answer - it is, but there are a lot of tasks in the exam!
And our children are taught to solve them much better - for the most part - than us. I myself graduated from high school in 1978!

[sa-ag]

Quote: andj61

And how many tasks were in the 70s?

If my memory serves me, then there were two questions on the ticket and the task

[inkass_98]

Quote: Black

it is necessary to change not the form, but the content.

It is necessary to change the system radically. For deuces in the Unified State Examination, the school is being raped wholeheartedly by the full composition of the Department of Education, it is also impossible to expel outright morons who do not want to study in principle, you must give the child an education. And the fact that this child writes in vases with flowers or shit smears the walls of the school does not interest anyone in the same Department - work with parents. There is no time for parents, they are busy with themselves or just thump. The kids are either selling drugs, or robbing, or they themselves are sitting on spice or gas from lighters. With a beggarly salary, which of the teachers, when loading hours and a bunch of reports into 12-14, will be engaged in extracurricular work with students? The system has become much tougher in terms of bureaucracy than under the USSR, with completely incomparable incomes.
Examination of the same knowledge actually does not give and does not check. Children are trained to take this exam, and when entering a more or less decent university, now you need to take (not everywhere else, but that’s what) additional exams, where the level of current school knowledge is already not enough, you have to hire tutors.
Z.Y. I know what I'm talking about, my wife works at school as a head teacher in organizational and educational work, and she leads lessons in history and social studies.

[34 region]

Collection 98! 07.08/XNUMX. You posed a very interesting question that everyone very carefully avoids (ignores). The issue of parental employment. What's better? When are parents constantly at work or constantly thirsty? Thump, bad. A lot of work is it good? Why do they work a lot? Such workaholics or just not enough money? Extracurricular work of teachers! What about overtime parents? Why bother? And what? All masochists? Smart people will always find a good, well-paid job! It turns out the recipients of one, two, three minimum wages are stupid people? Smart people open their own business! And then astronomers are stupid? If you are so smart, why so poor? And what will be the answer to such questions?

[a housewife]

I studied from 5th to 10th in a rather strange class. No need to tell how everyone was equal with the owls. authorities. But - some of our troechniki subsequently surprised me. One - it seemed so stupid, never learned lessons, rolled up writing forever. Until we were somehow put together. It turned out - he simply didn’t have time - he disappeared for days in the sports section, his element sails! Another quiet girl, mumbles something there, gets three and is happy. Then she became a wonderful cutter, she simply sewed masterpieces, and worked in the studio and at home. And yet another one, who also seemed to be nothing, became a rather famous artist! The child does not hand over any objects - it is not worth it to write down immediately in stupid ones!

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: Black

Unified State Exam has a lot of opponents, but personally I am for it.

Indeed, that many have pounced on the exam? A necessary thing - the project of growing not some kind of soviet "man-creator", but a patented "qualified consumer"! And the state is calmer when there will be fewer citizens who think and reason.

[Vadim237]

"A necessary thing - the project of growing not some kind of soviet" person-creator ", but a patented" qualified consumer "- Each person is the creator of his own happiness and in the world people are all consumers," tadpoles "will not transfer any USE - but to the state the mentally retarded are not needed, there will be no sense from them.

[34 region]

08.11/XNUMX. Damn funny! Is it really true? Even my four grades of central vocational schools hurt my eyes such a phrase!

[Victor Demchenko]

Hello and many thanks from the bottom of my heart for inserting a photo reflecting the true level of education of the current generation!

[AK64]

I agree. I know that the USE has a lot of opponents, but personally I am for it. At least in the exact sciences. Changes, of course, are needed, but the content, not the form, needs to be changed.

That's right, scold is not it. And not an exam, you need to scold a program

[sdc_alex]

I agree!

40 PERCENT REMARKS ON MATHEMATICS !!! Against the background of such a result, even the Soviet school of mathematics, as they say, nervously smokes on the sidelines ... Literally every second graduate is either Perelman or Kolmogorov ...

The exam in mathematics is divided into a basic and advanced level, and so 40% is a basic level, Carl, basic. One would think that if at the base level there was not 40%, but, say, 5%, then this would satisfy the author.

Personally, my opinion is that the USE is needed, maybe a little with a different content, but in this form.

[Volodin]

Quote: sdc_alex

so 40% is a basic level, Karl, basic

This is primarily mathematics, Karl, mathematics ... 11 class! And if for you the basic level in the senior class of modern school is reduced to tasks about yogurt and snail, then your logic is understood and your discreet optimism about the Unified State Examination also realized ...

[atalef]

Quote: Volodin

This is primarily mathematics, Karl, mathematics ... 11 class! And if for you the basic level in the senior class of modern school is reduced to tasks about yogurt and snail, then your logic is understood and your discreet optimism about the Unified State Examination also realized ...

Hi . Alexey .
Well, someone did compose this exam, he passed the approval and verification.
It is likely that this is the grade level of students 11.
many of us look at it by that level. when we studied.
they themselves said that since then a lot of things have degraded.
therefore, the level in universities is

[Volodin]

Quote: atalef

It is likely that this is the grade level of students 11.
many of us look at it by that level. when we studied.

Alexander, good afternoon! This is exactly what I tried to write in the material, but here they say: "everything is fine, everything is constructive, you give more tasks in one action about bioyogurts ..."

[atalef]

Quote: Volodin

Quote: atalef

It is likely that this is the grade level of students 11.
many of us look at it by that level. when we studied.

Alexander, good afternoon! This is exactly what I tried to write in the material, but here they say: "everything is fine, everything is constructive, you give more tasks in one action about bioyogurts ..."

Alexey, I think the same thing. what is it just a level
Imagine the situation that the Ministry of Education approves the math exam with a complete margin of reality and 30% of students pass it at best.
Well, the minister went home and everyone else along the chain.
Therefore, the probability is still (in my opinion) as follows. what is this level.

Does anyone have statistics on the estimates?

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

Imagine the situation that the Ministry of Education approves the math exam with a complete margin of reality and 30% of students pass it at best.
Well, the minister went home and everyone else along the chain.
Therefore, the probability is still (in my opinion) as follows. what is this level.

Greetings, Alexander! But even in your hypothetical case the next year, all graduates will begin to prepare - and, accordingly, solve problems of the same level. They will be trained in a year - and such a difficult exam will not pass 5%, but 30%, and next year - all 50%. So it is here: graduates are purposefully prepared to solve problems - and the result is obvious: they have learned to do it!

[CONTROL]

Quote: Volodin

Alexander, good afternoon! This is exactly what I tried to write in the material, but here they say: "everything is fine, everything is constructive, you give more tasks in one action about bioyogurts ..."

So now it’s everywhere like this - the exams (and not only the USE, but also the production ones) are multilevel: basic, simplified, complicated ... ultimately complicated and not passed in principle, finally! ...
... tasks in one action ... in half-action ... the answer is half-eight ... or the eight on the side (on which side should I turn it over? Or put it on my back? ...- hey, not a moment elementary particle rotation! ...

[nadezhiva]

Quote: Volodin

I tried to write about this in the material

Answer honestly: Have you personally tried to solve the profile version of the exam? Before writing an article?

[Volodin]

Quote: nadezhiva

tried to solve the profile version of the exam?

Hope. This is part of my job.

[nadezhiva]

And then where are the examples from the profile option? And why do you give statistics on the basic exam, which is needed exclusively for obtaining a certificate, as an option for the overall picture? Indeed, in profile mathematics, the result is completely different.

[nadezhiva]

Quote: Volodin

give more tasks in one action about bioyogurts ... "

Say yogurts Oh well. If you are too lazy to decide everything, let's "like" yoghurts, only in training for the profile USE in mathematics?

The depositor made a certain amount to Sberbank at a certain percentage per annum. A year later, he took half of the resulting amount and transferred it to a commercial bank, the annual percentage of which is 32 times higher than in Sberbank. A year later, the amount of the depositor in a commercial bank exceeded the initial amount invested there by 4%. What is the percentage per annum in Sberbank?

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In January 2000, the deposit rate at Vozrozhdenie Bank was x% per annum, while in January 2001 it was y% per annum, and it is known that x + y = 30%. In January 2000, a depositor opened an account with Vozrozhdenie Bank, depositing a certain amount on it. In January 2001, after a year from that moment, the depositor withdrew a fifth of this amount from the account. Indicate the value of x at which the amount in the depositor's account in January 2002 will become the maximum possible.

***
At the end of August 2001, the administration of the Primorsky Territory had a certain amount of money, which was supposed to be used to replenish the oil reserves of the Territory. Hoping for a change in market conditions, the regional leadership, delaying the purchase of oil, put this amount on September 1, 2001 to the bank. It is further known that the deposit amount in the bank increased by 26% on the first day of each month relative to the amount on the first day of the previous month, and the price of a barrel of crude oil decreased by 10% monthly. How many percent more (of the initial volume of purchases) did the regional leadership manage to replenish the region’s oil reserves by withdrawing on November 1, 2001 the entire amount received from the bank along with interest and directing it to oil purchase?

Let's hit the road?

[AK64]

Sorry, but what's so complicated? AND WHERE ARE THE MATHICS HERE?
These are quick-witted tasks, where redundant information is given in order to confuse, and nothing more.

If I understand the question correctly (here it’s really a problem to understand what they want from you), then ... of course it’s hard for me to divide 4 into 32 in my mind, but this is the only problem. However, 1/8 or 0.125%

What is it, does Sberbank have such low interest rates?

In principle, this task, for example, is hidden propaganda and hidden advertising of commercial banks.

But WHERE ARE HERE MATHEMATICS?
After all, it’s like it’s not the ingenuity that will be tested, namely knowledge and skills!

[nadezhiva]

Not 4/32, but write down the equation, showing that you understand the meaning of the task. Where is the math? And where did you see math without logic?
An example was about the fact that in basic mathematics (nobody needs anyone), there are tasks for yoghurts, and in the core one there is already a different level. For admission to the university you need specialized mathematics.

[iwakura]

if this is a "difficult level" then the tasks are as stupid as the basic one, behind a bunch of words there is a primitive solution that only needs to be described, ie rather, a test for knowledge of the Russian language.
in the first, the answer is in the condition itself - if 4% in comm. bank, then with savings 32 times less
in the second, the search for the extremum of the function by taking the differential from the quadratic equation, quadratic because it takes into account only two years ((1 + x) * 4/5) * (1 + y), where y = 30-x
the third is even simpler than the second.

[iwakura]

typo x + y = 0,30, I was in a hurry for lunch in the dining room, standing there in line with a tray, solving the equation in my head I realized :)

[AK64]

Not 4/32, but write down the equation, showing that you understand the meaning of the task.

Oh, yes, there’s a sense to sort it out - that's the problem. Too much redundant information.
But in fact, if we filter out the garbage (which is the most difficult thing in this "task"):
(1) in a commercial bank, the percentage is 32 times higher
(2) a year later in com. the bank the amount was 4% more than it was when investing.

So why do you need "equations" here? AND WHAT are the "equations" here? 4:32 and that's EVERYTHING.

Where is the math? And where did you see math without logic?

Madame, what do you know about mathematics in general?
"Where have you seen," you say? Yes, I see it DAILY at my workplace.
And this is NOT logic: it is "for quick-wittedness", or "for quick-wittedness". But not knowledge.

An example was about the fact that in basic mathematics (nobody needs anyone), there are tasks for yoghurts, and in the core one there is already a different level. For admission to the university you need specialized mathematics.

For God's sake, for God's sake. But this "bank" is already like one of the provided "profile" links.

[andj61]

Quote: Volodin

about here they say: "everything is fine, everything is constructive, you give more tasks in one action about bioyogurts ..."

They don’t say that!
On the exam, you need to solve not one, not two, but several dozen very complex tasks. Try to solve the WHOLE exam - and you really will get the opinion that the exam in mathematics is not profanity at all, but rather a mockery of the children!
I dare to assure you - in the 70s SUCH tasks, as now in the third section, most graduates did not even see! This is the level of MIPT, MEPhI and Baumanka!

[RussianRoulette]

This is just a paragraph!

[34 region]

Atalef! 06.57. Well, you just killed with your video! And can you find out how such questions are answered in the USA, Germany, and Israel? Are we so alone?

[Victor Demchenko]

I don’t know how in the states, but in the FRG the USE was not even introduced, in Israel there is no such thing either. in France, the first of the countries that introduced the USE it was removed with the motivation: ... It threatens technical independence and the development of engineering in the state.

[AK64]

I don’t know how in the states, but in the FRG the USE was not even introduced, in Israel there is no such thing either. in France, the first of the countries that introduced the USE it was removed with the motivation: ... It threatens technical independence and the development of engineering in the state.

Yah?
Do the men know?

In the last year, graduates pass the state baccalaureat exam (BAC) in specialization, which allows them to enter an university without additional exams.

http://obrazovanie-vo-francii.narod.ru/

[sdc_alex]

And you yourself go pass the exam and announce us your 100% result.

[AID.S]

Quote: Volodin

This is primarily mathematics, Carl, mathematics ... Grade 11!

For those who go to legal, foreign, cinematographic, mining and shift, football-hockey, etc. similar faculties and the basic for the eyes is enough.
(Although doubts have been gnawing me since yesterday evening, about the players ..)

[andj61]

Quote: Volodin

And if for you the basic level in the senior class of the modern school comes down to problems about yogurt and a snail, then your logic was understood and your cautious optimism about the USE was also recognized ...

The snail problem is a classic of problems since the 70s, but not on the ability to count, but on quick wits. And the one who answers that in 10 days the snail will climb to the top of a ten-meter tree will be wrong: she will be there a little earlier ...
And as a basic level task, that is, to "warm up", so that the brains begin to work - it is quite normal!
And then dozens (dozens, Karl!) Of tasks of a much more complex level will need to be solved!

[Penzuck]

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen (I ask the Bolsheviks not to be offended ) But do not look at our article gr. Is Volodina critical? The points:
1. Given that we are talking about the exam - you need at least give a link on tasks (on 2014-2015-2016 comparison - the essence is MOTHER).
http://www.fipi.ru/sites/default/files/document/2016/ma_baz_107.pdf
Math basic
http://www.fipi.ru/sites/default/files/document/2016/ma_prof_107.pdf
Profile level. Take your breath solve.
2. In the USE in mathematics, problems from very simple to very complex, if you solve simple (exaggerate) - we have 3, simple + in a more complicated way we have 4. Well and so on. And the joke is not that 40% of excellent students. The fact is that data are not given on what method the students took and their ratio.
Most by profile? Then the author shouldn't bother, and if on the basis - then again you can get the top five, but you cannot enter a "mathematical" university with a "base". More details
http://www.egesdam.ru/page13.html
3. The "quintessence" of the exam just drives you into a stupor. Why such a PHOTO?
4. "horses-people" mixed. Probably every time he writes an article in the dark dungeons of Guantanomo, Volodin uses a "training manual". That Panimash governor Pskovsky does not look at the corrupt girl of capitalism (statistics), the villain. That ponimash vypusknoy for 80 oblique on the snout on Sakhalin (so rejoice!).
5. The last paragraph is a Masterpiece. The author earned a boiled turnip with cabbage soup.
PS: Whom accidentally offended I apologize.

[sa-ag]

Quote: sdc_alex

The exam in mathematics is divided into a basic and advanced level, so 40% is the basic level, Karl, the basic.

Well, what is it - an excellent student of a basic level and an excellent student of a high level, he must be an excellent student, otherwise he will get a fish of the second freshness :-)

[Monarchist]

Totally agree!

[CONTROL]

Quote: sa-ag

Well, what is it - an excellent student of a basic level and an excellent student of a high level, he must be an excellent student, otherwise he will get a fish of the second freshness :-)

... A graduate is not a fish! A - potential candidate of technical sciences - or a fitter of the 5th category ...
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... although a mess, of course! Everything is governed by grades; only here - an attempt to exclude the derogatory attitude of others to the "three": "three balls", they say - a threesome ... a secret society ... T.O. Tr! ... (there was such a movie "My friend Kolka")

[sa-ag]

Quote: CONTROL

..A graduate is not a fish! A - potential candidate of technical sciences - or a fitter of the 5th category ...

Well, we also need to learn this at one time at school in the 9th grade we were taught at the CPC, I was a 5th grade fitter, for repairing locomotives :-)

[Monarchist]

Junior lieutenant of bogaradi think write! USE in such a bottle - turns children into downs! If the base level was made for threes in the first grade, and the main one, then for the excellent students there is a maximum of 6th grade. In 5 years, everything will be in a big ** ce!

[sdc_alex]

Comrade, Senior Lieutenant, I will send you under arrest. Learn how to understand the epaulettes.
And then

Quote: Monarchist

bogaradi

you understand .....

[Monarchist]

I apologize that I was mistaken, but in pursuit I did not see the gaps

[sdc_alex]

And where are the gaps on the general uniform? You, dear man, are confusing something again.

Although in general, to be honest, I did not care about these fake titles on the site,
BUT - THE BUSINESS OF THE PRINCIPLE!

[a housewife]

Doubt - click on the epaulette. It is written there.

[nadezhiva]

Quote: MonarchistIf the basic level was made for threes in the first class, and then the main level for the excellent students is a maximum of the 6th class. [/ Quote

And you decide. At least the basic one, which is "for the first class". And then - profile. Then we'll all laugh (after the results are announced).

[Monarchist]

Nadezhiva, do you want to prove that the Unified State Exam in its current form is ideal? In principle, the so-called "Bologna system" is good, but the Unified State Exam does not work in its current form. True, the creators of the Unified State Exam proceed from the level of knowledge of students, and most teachers (both Soviet times and now) say that children do not want to learn! I'm afraid to be mistaken, but in my opinion Livanov said that the school should train consumers, not creators. In this case, the USE in its current form and the educational program coped

[nadezhiva]

The exam in exact disciplines in its current version is to shoot yourself. Because this is really a test of knowledge and a colossal psychological burden.
Everyone shouts: "Children are being trained!" Children are not trained, they are trying to squeeze out like a sponge, in search of really gifted, capable and hardworking children.

[Altona]

Quote: sdc_alex

Personally, my opinion is that the USE is needed, maybe a little with a different content, but in this form.

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You need a normal attitude towards children, upbringing and education. You look at the exam, because there is like a whole special operation: a reinforced police squad, a special communications car for listening to unauthorized signals from the audience, and some other curators from the state. And the children's camp on Syamozero was "missed" with terrible violations. Where barracks and prison methods were used against children, they were not fed and forbidden to complain, they were not instructed before going on TB in the water, they were floated on flimsy floating craft. But what about? Business needs to "remove restrictions". The further we live such a life, the more rationality is seen in the "damned scoop." Where in the pioneer camp they were fed for slaughter (God forbid, there will be no 150-200 grams of weight gain in a week), where the teacher ran like a hen after each child so that he would not disappear anywhere. Now what? They shoved a smartphone into the child's hand, googled. Ugh, not even words.

[sdc_alex]

I agree too, but

Quote: Altona

reinforced police outfit, special communications vehicle to listen to unauthorized signals from the audience, some other state curators

- measures are largely justified and dictated by the modern way.

Once it looked funny and even fantastic, but now it’s quite such a reality. Everyone has cell phones and earphones are not a problem.

[Altona]

Quote: sdc_alex

- measures are largely justified and dictated by the modern way.

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Yes, this is not about that. The point is that there is no supervision over many people throughout the year, and once a year the state drives the police with wiretaps to schools.

[sdc_alex]

Well yes. I do not argue.

[Monarchist]

You are right: current realities make possible what yesterday was fantastic.

[exumer]

I agree! there was ideology in the "damned scoop" - there was unity, but here she / is where in the Consumer Society?

[Monarchist]

It is difficult not to agree with your words, but to the popovod: "... a whole special operation: a reinforced police outfit, a special communication machine for drying .." As they say, this is the reality, but the special operation does not protect against cheating. In China, in addition to listening machines, they already use drones. I think the Chinese do not use drones because of the good life. So life is more and more fun!

[I am human]

Yes! clearly with the education you have "everything is in order" ... especially the Russian language is lame

[Cresta999]

Here you just arrange a tantrum. Because, as if you would have thought calmly, not being afraid that you would not write first, you would have understood that the author under this phenomenon is considering the big picture. Education is down, investing is up. For balls, for paid studies at a university, for a tutor, etc.

[Vladimir 23rus]

Parents want to suffer nonsense and spend money on their right. What do you care?
You probably think that gurgling schools are forcing?

They are forced! As if "voluntarily" and you can refuse, but if you refuse then the child will jerk off sorry for the expression.

[korvin1976]

I am not a supporter of the exam, but this system has a place to be, as a system of general assessment of knowledge.
Constantly give tasks from the exam from the category of the simplest, and no one leads the tasks more difficult. For example:
At one time I entered Baumanka, so there the entrance exams were like the exam.
7 questions, each question has its own number of points. I remember the first three questions as now: 1. Write Newton's second law, 2. Two environments, a ray of light falls, DRAW how it will continue its path in the second environment (environments: air and water), 3. A body with zero speed, let go at a distance 100 meters from the ground, what speed of the body will be at the lowest point (something like this, I literally don't remember), the point is that the calculation is according to the standard formula. For these three tasks you get three points, that is, grade 3. Then there were more and more difficult questions. The last question after the exams I dealt with already with the school teacher (and he was a physicist from God), they solved it for a long time and painfully. At the same time, in Baumank it was possible to use "methods" in exams, extract from a physics textbook (spurs are pampering compared to them)

In the same way, on the USE, you answer these questions here, you have a maximum of 3, that is, you know the subject at a purely basic level, the grade is higher, which means knowledge is better. But for me, all the same, when I enter universities, passing profile examinations, and not just the exam.

In my work, I often encounter staff assessment, and here it just starts SHOW
Question in the questionnaire: a kilogram of sugar costs 10 rubles, how much is 1.2 kg. 60% of candidates are eliminated on this question.
Particularly pleased with the answer: 16 rubles. AS? Answer: a kilo costs 10 rubles, 2 kg costs 20 rubles, but 1.2 kg costs about 16 rubles
And you are talking about some fractions and logical tasks about snails.

Again, I didn’t see ALL questions on the USE, and I can’t say whether the system is the same as in Baumanka, or all the questions from the category of snails, and that’s what they say in principle. If someone has a list of ALL questions from one ticket, this would already be subject to discussion, after laying out these questions.

[Shkodnik65]

I don’t know how familiar you are, dear lnsular, with the exam, but I have a daughter in grade 11. When she gave me questions to read, for example, on "society", I, frankly, began to smoke. And this despite the fact that I have a higher education in the humanities, with numerous additional advanced training courses. Why do children at school need deeply scientific philosophical aspects? Maybe the child will go to work as a turner or as a seamstress? And this clownery with webcams, metal detectors, searches, taking away gadgets, moving to other schools, etc. Yes, here in a normal person everything will fly out of his head, and even more so in a modern child.
Understand that I am not against the Unified State Exam in principle, but young people, for all their eccentricity, still children and instead of hassle and round-ups, just need to HUMANLY organize exams, help the student show the knowledge that he possesses, and not muzzle like sheep in a slaughterhouse. In general, today in Russia we have the Unified State Examination, right across Chernomyrdin, like they wanted the best ... well, then you yourself know

[Homo]

Quote: insular

Well, graduation parties and then what ?!

What does it have to do with it? And for what such achievements such incentives! Every year, graduates are getting dumber and balls are getting richer, which means that dullness and stupidity of children are encouraged!

[cyberhanter]

I remember the puzzle about the snail, we did not solve it more than half of the class ... 2nd "a" class ...

[aszzz888]

It's only the beginning! These examinations will still come back to haunt.

[The black]

It's only the beginning! lol These examinations still come back to haunt.

Goes around comes around. But not because of the form, but because of the authors of the assignments .... And also because of the paid education. It is simply not profitable for universities to "blame" paysites. Not to mention completely commercial universities. Here they can be completed by full downs altogether. There is just a conveyor for sucking the dough from students (read parents)

[atalef]

Quote: aszzz888

It's only the beginning! These examinations will still come back to haunt.

It seems that the problem is in the exam.

[sdc_alex]

Here I agree on 200%, the problem is not in the USE, but in society, in values, in upbringing, in the end.

[dmi.pris1]

Ministry of Education, Minotupeniya! So many people, money, all for the sake of Lebanon, already people just hate this exam. Hey, you up there !! A .. Very busy election.

[I am human]

Minobrazina. Since the 90s

[Andrey Yuryevich]

why education, if you can play football ... you don’t need to do anything, but the patch is good, very, very.

[Aksakal_07]

Do not play, but walk on the football field.

[Monarchist]

Yes, our players are in complete shit! The impression was that they were sleeping on the field!

[a housewife]

I don’t understand anything in football. But I decided to see how our play. Impression - those teams play exactly. Somehow the ball is passed to each other, someone is moving somewhere, disperse. Ours are like a herd of rams, where the ball goes there and everything together, they simply even interfere with themselves. I will never watch again! I love hockey.

[AK64]

Yes, our players are in complete shit! The impression was that they were sleeping on the field!

Chemistry could be thrown. Very strange indeed.
It certainly never shone, but not to the same extent.

And the injection of chemistry is a common thing: the discobolsha girl once said that she never eats or buys food or drink at international ones, precisely because of the risk of getting something "undesirable". Only what the coach bought (less risk that something will be added to his purchase).

[Waltasar]

Oh, don't remind me. Shame and forget ...
Now I’ll be rooting for Wales :)

[Tatar 174]

Quote: Waltasar

Now I’ll be rooting for Wales :)

Don’t be sick at all. Live a normal life, I've spit on these hockey football since the age of 20 ... Now there’s not what it was during the USSR, Remember uncompromising meetings with the national teams of Sweden, Canada, Czechs and Germany, and now ... Purchased matches players bought ...
According to the exam, in addition to what is said, there is practically nothing to add. Liberals do not need a strong and self-sufficient Russia, but they need to at least somehow align themselves with the West. There is no need for a strong science, engineers and designers, as a result, a strong education is also not needed - Kudrin and Co.

[atalef]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

why education, if you can play football ... you don’t need to do anything, but the patch is good, very, very.

Why am I not a soccer player?

[Ruslan67]

Quote: atalef

Why am I not a soccer player?

Because jew He himself said that Jewry and sport are poorly compatible.

[WUA 518]

Quote: Ruslan67

Because the Jew himself said that Jewry and sport are poorly compatible

Sanya, Ruslan hello. Beckham puffs up for him there. His grandfather is a little jew

[Ruslan67]

Hello missing

Quote: WUA 518

His grandfather is a little jew

Is it a little cropped?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: WUA 518

WUA 518

Quote: Ruslan67

Ruslan67

I don’t understand, but the West doesn’t sleep. It’s 8 in the morning and everything is already on the site. Disorder! Healthy for everyone.

Quote: atalef

Why am I not a soccer player?

Sanya, here is Kokorin-Bugatti Veyron, the price is about 1 500 000 euros, covered in leather with a chic model exterior 35kg + total weight with belongings. Silicone lips and boobs.
Sanya, why do you need such a life.

[WUA 518]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Sanya, here is Kokorin-Bugatti Veyron, the price is about 1 500 000 euros, covered in leather with a chic model exterior 35kg + total weight with belongings. Silicone lips and boobs.
Sanya, why do you need such a life.

Sanya hi. They are called instagram football players. Here is the character Mamaev, who is so plowed that he flies on a business jet to rest, on our taxes, by the way. Even the price tag did not have time to tear off the cap, so he was in a hurry to upload the photo.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: WUA 518

Mamaev, he is so plowed that he flies on a business jet to rest, on our taxes, among other things

With his salary of 1.5 million euros, life is difficult. This is a clown, not a football player.
Although you know, they were made so crazy by salaries that they are paid for nothing.
Football turned into glamor. A bunch of pictures of this nonsense.
https://static.life.ru/posts/2015/12/346679/7c912e461d0ac270788e1c058cb488eb__98
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[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Sanya, here is Kokorin-Bugatti Veyron, the price is about 1 500 000 euros, covered in leather with a chic model exterior 35kg + total weight with belongings. Silicone lips and boobs.
Sanya, why do you need such a life.

I want to suffer before death

[atalef]

Quote: Ruslan67

Hello missing

Quote: WUA 518

His grandfather is a little jew

Is it a little cropped?

no - it's not cut

[Monarchist]

With this level of exam, soon the players will not know where their gates are!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Monarchist

With this level of exam, soon the players will not know where their gates are!

Judging by the game, they are no longer in the know.

[The black]

why education if you can play football

So alright would know how to play football ... so there we have full

[Nix1986]

I can say one negative about higher education. While studying at the university, I did not go to study, because I got a job in my specialty to get real knowledge, and I took money to the university to close my eyes to my absenteeism and give the opportunity to study and get real knowledge at work. It's just a paradox ... Recently, a relative came to me to enroll in Moscow universities, for the sake of interest he went to the open day with him, except for one thing, the rest of the "cool" universities did not really say anything about the possibility of an internship - we draw the same conclusion - nothing has changed, the knowledge of the institute and real skills in work are still little connected, I see no reason not to buy a diploma for 50k in the transition and not start working from ordinary positions, you will save time, nerves and money.

[Kos_kalinki9]

I didn’t go to study at the university, because I got a job in the specialty to get real knowledge, and at the university I took money to close my eyes on my absenteeism and give me the opportunity to study and get real knowledge at work

And at work, who gave you real knowledge? And if they also bought a diploma in the underground passage?

I see no reason not to buy a diploma for 50k in the transition

[Monarchist]

Ohoho our sins are serious!

[Nix1986]

At work, knowledge was given by employees of the old school, specialists from siemens and representatives of SAP-a, plus he graduated from ACCA in parallel and received a degree at Oxford Brooks. The best test of the result is practice, not for show-offs - at the meeting of the stream at the age of 28, he was the only one who came on a 7-ke boomer. Let's separate flies from cutlets, the meaning of my post was as follows - if the university is really good and gives the required skills, then leading companies actively take its students for an internship. If not, then all the university’s statements about coolness are zilch, and in this case, if it’s not possible to enter a really worthwhile institution, then it is better to start with practice, the task of the university is to give a person a tool for making money (of course, if you are not a child of a deputy and do not go to university for self-knowledge, etc.). And of course, this does not apply to serious professions such as the nuclear physicist or physician, where without theoretical knowledge practice will not replace them in any way.

[The black]

You cannot enter a technical university with "basic" mathematics. It is taken only by those who will not have to study it in the future. Although, of course, there should not be such problems as given in the assignments. All this suggests that the school is not interested in leaving in the second year or graduate without a certificate (with a certificate), and since the level of teaching (and hence knowledge) has dropped sharply in recent years - hence the tasks for absolutely, sorry, stupid graduates. Until teachers have a decent status, including .h. and salaries will be so.
By the way, the specialized mathematics required for admission to technical universities was very difficult.

[insular]

Quote: Black

All this suggests that the school is not interested in leaving for a second year or graduating without a certificate (with a certificate),

When was it different? When not pulled complete idiots?
You probably don’t have a taste at all, that since the days of the USSR, teachers were punished if there are a lot of students in the class with grades that spoil the general statistics.

[Moore]

When was it different? When not pulled complete idiots?

Full idiots always pulled. The rest were not always lowered to their level.

[The black]

Full idiots always pulled. The rest were not always lowered to their level.

Exactly

[insular]

The author cast a shadow on the fence, technically kept silent that it was a) only questions of the first part, b) non-core test in mathematics.
And adults who were able to think critically and think did not think to check, but is that all?
Why did you pass the racially correct exam? So that I believe everything?

[Monarchist]

I agree. Under the Soviet Union, there was a perceptibility and outspoken idlers were "dragged" from class to class, otherwise you would get rid of the director, and he received trindels in the district.

[Iline]

Quote: Black

You can't enter a technical university with "basic" mathematics.

I will support in this matter. Yesterday, only in the local press appeared an article on the results of the exam in mathematics. I give a few excerpts.

Five graduates of the Saratov region passed the mathematics of the profile level by one hundred points. This was reported by the regional Ministry of Education.

Wow percentage, right? To the entire Saratov region. This year, everyone recognizes that the level of the profile exam in mathematics has grown significantly. I don’t know about the basic one, but it is mainly graduates who don’t expect to be strongly associated with this science in the future.

According to the rector of the SSTU Igor Pleve, preliminary results of the Unified State Examination in 2016 indicate that the level of knowledge of graduates of schools, lyceums, and gymnasiums is growing.
"For us, as a technical university, this is especially evident in the example of such disciplines as mathematics and physics. This year in our field the percentage of those who did not pass mathematics has significantly decreased. It is evidence of the improvement in the quality of applicants and the internal knowledge that we at SSTU annually conduct on this If a few years ago the results of internal control could differ from the USE scores, today the percentage of those who did not pass the university cut of knowledge is also decreasing, "said Igor Pleve.

[Monarchist]

Even if you pay fifty thousand to a teacher with such a USE, teachers also degrade! If lodari now goes to the ball to commemorate, and then all the stupid people will go to school! In the USSR, the level of education was high, but even then there were grief for teachers. The current "creators" of the Unified State Exam is their creation

[Sharky]

Yes, in my days I was asked questions at a physics exam ... For example: why, if you connect 20 batteries of 12V in series (240V) and grab one of the terminals of the latter, it will not hit the current, and if you grab the phase in a socket where there is about 220V then fuck ? The question is not simple, but interesting. And now - the snail is creeping ... Damn it.

[atalef]

Quote: Sharky

For example: why, if you connect 20 batteries in 12B in series (240B) and grab one terminal of the latter, it will not hit the current, and if you grab the phase in a socket near 220В, then it will hammer

And damage?

[Sharky]

I know something, and you?

[Muvka]

Quote: Sharky

I know something, and you?

Because the network has alternating current, and not direct?

[sdc_alex]

The topic has not been disclosed.

In short, for current to flow, there must be a closed circuit. There is a battery, + and -, the potential difference between them, and not between one of them - and the ground, so when you stick any of them into the ground, there will be no current. With alternating current, everything is a little different, what is called. "zero" is connected to ground, grounding, so the current between the phase and the wire buried in the ground will be. If you take a separate alternator and do not ground the neutral wire - yes, even though it is phase, this is rather arbitrary, there will be no current - it has nowhere to come from, there is no closed circuit, something like this

In general, the power engineer atalef just mocked.

[D. Dan]

You still forgot about such a thing as earth, in a change in the outlet, the gene for est is connected with the earth, mother, who we have a mega-conductor, well, those who take the phase and have the isolation to the ground will shake, but how much, a lot of factors. The battery is an independent source in this case. But, connect the minus to the ground on it and get a hit. True, the constant is not so dangerous.

[AID.S]

Quote: Sharky

For example: why, if you connect 20 batteries in 12B in series (240B) and grab one terminal of the latter, it will not hit the current, and if you grab the phase in a socket near 220В, then it will hammer

Oh, you’re not full conditions, you’re not complete. I solved this problem when I was 7 years old. I don’t hammer on a dry wooden floor until you grab onto zero ..

[Sharky]

All right, do not hammer on a dry floor (and why not hammer?). But the topic is not disclosed, sdc_alex and AID.S are already close to a solution. .

[AID.S]

Quote: Sharky

topic not disclosed

When I solved this problem, there was no permanent outlet ... well, I didn’t live in New York ..

[Sharky]

Okay, I see it’s hard to recall long-forgotten knowledge. There weren’t any keywords actually ... sdc_alex, all hope is for you! Dear experts, will you already open a black box or will there still be options?

[AID.S]

Was this exactly what you were asked at the physics exam?

[Sharky]

Yes, everything is within the school curriculum, the answer is below.

[a housewife]

Because it’s not a power outlet, but batteries

[Sharky]

Yeah, but I thought that they would quickly solve the problem. It’s just right to send everyone to the exam ...
This is the case: a person, when he grabs the phase, forms a capacitor. That is, between the legs of a person and the ground, where the zero wire is dug, there is a dielectric layer (wooden floor, etc.). It would seem that the current should not go, because there is a dielectric ... But, the property of the alternating current is such that the capacitor starts to constantly recharge and current appears in the circuit. The capacitance of the formed capacitor is small and therefore the current is also not large. But, if you stand barefoot on the ground, then it will be chopped as it should, since the circuit will simply close (zero is dug in the ground, a person conducts current). Ah, the direct current does not pass through the capacitor. Therefore, the battery does not hit.
Physics textbook for 11th grade. Myakishev, Bukhovtsev ...

[Sharky]

Here you can read more.

[sdc_alex]

Uh, not a friend ....
The truth in your words is but only a fraction. Why did you drag a container here?

Quote: Sharky

between the human legs and the ground, where the zero wire is dug, there is a dielectric layer (wooden floor, etc.). It would seem that the current should not go, because there is a dielectric ... But, the property of the alternating current is such that the capacitor starts to constantly recharge and a current appears in the circuit

You are right, the current will flow, in such a circuit there will certainly be, but the current strength will be so small that you will never

Quote: Sharky

fucking properly?

Most likely you will not even feel this current.

Following your logic, in no case should you touch the bare phase wire with a tool with insulated handles or even with dielectric gloves worn on your hands - also a CAPACITY conducting alternating current.
Generally speaking, the bare phase conductor can be relatively safe to touch with bare hands while wearing dielectric boots. Provided that you are sure of the integrity of these bots and are also 100% sure that during such "touches" you will not touch any other part of the body to grounded parts of anything, or parts with a potential approximately equal to the ground.

[Sharky]

Read inattentively. The task was not originally said to be, standing on the ground or on a dielectric (rubber boots). Therefore, I immediately considered two options:
1. "But, if you stand barefoot on the ground, then it will bang properly, since the circuit will simply close (zero is dug into the ground, a person conducts current)."
2. "The capacity of the formed capacitor is small and therefore the current is also not large." (You will not feel a small current, but this does not mean that it does not pass). I have not written anywhere that in rubber boots - will bang, or in rubber gloves. I just explained why the current passes, but you will not feel it (the capacitor is small). Review my posts.
The main idea is that the direct current through the capacitor does not go, and the alternating one goes.
So, before sculpting "cons" read carefully and try to grasp the essence.

[Reserve buildbat]

And they also told me that ege is a difficult thing ...

[Humpty]

Although elementary actions with fractions can still be performed. But a task in two actions with numbers and percentages most likely will not be able to solve 95 or more of the eleventh graders out of 100.

[Dmitry Potapov]

The last "summer decade" seems to be in August, or am I confusing?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Dmitry Potapov

The last "summer decade" seems to be in August, or am I confusing?

in a month, three decades.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

a decade or three months,

Three months-quarter Old Yegshnik

[dFG]

How much can you break spears about this long-suffering exam? This is a chance for admission to the university and even if it is given to many, but the first semester, a maximum of two put everything in place, without knowledge, people are simply expelled and this was everywhere and at all times

[Knowing]

I would like to see how Livanov will pass those tests called the Unified State Exam ... I did not pass, please call:

[dchegrinec]

It was rightly said: the exam should not be obligatory. It should be by choice. Admission to the university should take place through "live communication" with teachers.

[sdc_alex]

An example of "live communication":

[96423 lom]

As Comrade Stalin said, "Cadres decide everything." The modern education system, built on the instructions of the CIA, is aimed at depriving Russia of the cadres who will revive the Great Power. you need to check those who introduced the exam for a subject where they still receive a salary.

[RussianRoulette]

Yes, everything is clear there, like God's day, and there is no need to check!

[Bramb]

I have been watching for a long time how information is presented one-sidedly. Moreover. everywhere.
Take this article: everything seems to be right, but! Speaking only about the exam, the author smoothly switches to ALL education in the country. And this is a LIE! The exam is just an exam, the denominator for all students, no more. Schools with a mathematical, physical, chemical bias have been created and are being created in the country (I give my this year to a physics and mathematics class), schools are being created at institutes for special education in robotics, biology, etc. Where about it? Why is it NOT said that, according to the results of the exam, they are NOT accepted into a serious university? Maybe they accept them as humanitarian ones - I do not consider this group.
In general, the article is one-sided, and it looks like a custom-made level "boss, fisiyo is gone." Article minus.

PS. To the author and readers for reference: at the age of 7, my preschooler considers (at least up to a million and in the reverse order), reads, writes, adds up, switched to multiplication. And this is NOT a child prodigy, but NORMAL necessary knowledge for entering school, in first grade.
Doesn't fit in with this little article, right? )))

[Monarchist]

Ger Oberst, please clarify: whose order is "Papa Zu" or Kudrin? I do not like it when everyone haunts, and therefore I try to understand the reason for the negativity. Perhaps the usual grumbling of an old man tired of the current realities, simply a bitter person, or maybe one of those who say: "Putin is a dictator and a" radish "in general, but overseas ... therefore you have to blame from here for permanent residence there or choose liberalists. : ".. it looks like a custom one", but who is the customer?

[a housewife]

My daughter entered the historical one based on the results of the exam. Do you think you don't need math? Historical statistics are just a nightmare. And he brought the Russian language into a stupor. The teacher wrote the word "kerchief" on the blackboard, underlined "a", asks - "what is this?" Children try - Root vowel, unstressed vowel, open syllable, something else, everyone is smart. She shakes her head all the time - wrong. The correct answer is "this is the letter A." She continued in the same spirit, and it would be good if only a year. And the other, on the contrary, taught geography at school, twos poured right and left. I myself saw the questions in the test - something very difficult, not according to the program at all. It turned out that she also teaches at the university, confuses where the children are, where are the students. Both ladies are under 70. Why are they kept at work?

[a housewife]

My daughter entered the historical one based on the results of the exam. Do you think you don't need math? Historical statistics are just a nightmare. And he brought the Russian language into a stupor. The teacher wrote the word "kerchief" on the blackboard, underlined "a", asks - "what is this?" Children try - Root vowel, unstressed vowel, open syllable, something else, everyone is smart. She shakes her head all the time - wrong. The correct answer is "this is the letter A." She continued in the same spirit, and it would be good if only a year. And the other, on the contrary, taught geography at school, twos poured right and left. I myself saw the questions in the test - something very difficult, not according to the program at all. It turned out that she also teaches at the university, confuses where the children are, where are the students. Both ladies are under 70. Why are they kept at work?

[VP]

Mr. Volodin, you are not aware that you cannot do anything with "basic mathematics", that it was introduced precisely at the request of the "concerned population" for whom "the Unified State Exam is a very difficult mockery, children are worried, why would a future plumber need a mathematician, why force such children to take difficult exams "?
What is the problem?
I won’t believe that you don’t know that you can’t go with the result in basic mathematics not only at Moscow State University, but even at some kind of fence-building.
You know. But still you’re throwing.
For what? For the love of art?

[parusnik]

Education, where are you rushing? Give an answer. Doesn't give an answer. The bell is filled with a wonderful ringing; air ripped into pieces thunders and becomes the wind; everything that is on the earth flies by, and, looking sideways, other peoples and states say why did you abandon your education system ...? "

[Million]

Many excellent dzhigits apparently

[fa2998]

Quote: dfg

How much can you break spears about this long-suffering exam? This is a chance for admission to the university and even if it is given to many, but the first semester, a maximum of two put everything in place, without knowledge, people are simply expelled and this was everywhere and at all times

All these "purchased" high scores, plus the opportunity to send documents to different universities, create a big competition. This leads to the really "good" ones being left out. Well, these will be expelled, and the second is not easier because of this, they lose a year or two until they enter. Or go to the university to which "the soul does not lie."
By the way, NOT ALL OUR graduates can not solve the problems that are in the article, but if you need a high score and parents have money, please go to a separate office, there they will solve everything.

[VP]

Quote: fa2998

All these "purchased" high scores

I have a strong suspicion that the vine on the exam is caused by the very problematic buy high scores.
It used to be just wonderful: at graduation school it was always possible to agree, upon admission there was also an established business in the selection committees, people made this state in just a couple of summer months. A place in the waiting room was almost inherited. If suddenly what happened (for example, a member of the waiting room became ill), then a thoroughly tested comrade was put in place of the retired fighter, who almost notarized that after returning this fighter he would voluntarily return this heated place.
And here - cut off.
Now you are in the selection committee, but no one runs to you to "agree to enter the position." And now some incomprehensible Vans from Ryazan and Vladimirov get into the places in the competition, even if they have finished their physics and mathematics schools, and the respected children of Ashot from Nazran or Vsevolod Oskoldovich from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs fly out being not even in the first hundred. Disgrace, agree? Only the tutoring business remains. But there it is necessary to plow with children, there are not two months of sitting in the selection committee, and the money is completely different.
So the old proven cadres rush into the attack with the requirements "to allow the university to accept on the basis of their test."
Everything was firmly pushed away from the feeder.

[volodya]

For more than ten years Zadornov has been talking about this, but no one wants to hear him, but in vain!

[Alexander S.]

Oh and whiners. I have been following this exam for 10 years .. I periodically solve tests in my subjects. And this year I decided to really go write an ege in Russian. To plunge, so to speak. What used to be .. and that this year .. a huge difference. And promotion is for the better. Tests are phased out. In particular, in Russian. I immediately remembered my Russian language textbook. Practice. All exercises are exactly from there. I am satisfied in Russian. It seems like in biology and chemistry, too, tests from next year will be canceled. This is a plus. Is it really bad? OK. The tasks are different ... there are simple ones ... there are complex ones. I would still raise the lower threshold for the certificate. In Russian, for example, up to 50 points.
In general, work on the bugs is underway.
And the advantages of ege are very large. As I remember ... I entered two universities. Oh, and suffered ... passing 6 exams in a month. And now you don’t have to waste nerves at all. A plus.
In mathematics I will not say. I didn’t decide. Yes, and completely forgot this subject. Although there were no problems at school.

[VP]

Quote: Alexander S.

And the advantages of ege are very large.

Here this opinion is very unpopular.
The people strongly idealize the system "write an exam of three or four tasks that your teacher will check"

[AID.S]

Quote: Alexander S.

As I remember ... I entered two universities.

At the same time? Broke the system?

[Tsoy]

The most inexplicable happens right before the end. When guests from other parts of the country appear in the Siberian outback. Strange why you can not donate?

[Bort radist]

Quote: Choi

The most inexplicable happens right before the end. When guests from other parts of the country appear in the Siberian outback. Strange why you can not donate?

What are you talking about, God forgive me. Exams are taken at special points. All rooms have 2 cameras. There is a round-the-clock broadcast. You cannot turn off the cameras or change the angle. If the broadcast stops during the exam, everyone will retake. Any! a person, if desired, can find any school and watch the exam in a live broadcast, in any region, even Siberia, even Dagestan.

[olimpiada15]

Education in the country is aimed at reducing the intellectual level of the population. Slaves should not be smarter than the owners. And so, there are two pleasures for the world hegemon: the cost of education is rather big and the mental development is low.
Examination in itself is progress. When teachers took exams, there was a subjective approach, in the specialties with high competition. The commission was faced with the task of enrolling alone, and filling up competitors. And they failed, they knew that they were wrong, but they underestimated the grades.
Unified State Examination blocked this trap. And then the next stage of pushing the necessary offspring began - to reduce the complexity of the tasks. The examples presented in the article indicate that out of the 11 academic years, 6 years were superfluous.
This is not the USE that should be abandoned, it is necessary to drive officials from education from their positions, because their activities are a detriment to national security. Only who will kick them out, they are doing the work of colonizing the country, for the sake of the current elite. So the "golden" youth with a rotten gut is driving around the capital. Such is the property of modern gold.

[nadezhiva]

The examples given in the article do not say anything. Because they are pulled from the basic exam, which does not go for admission to a university.
Examination really, many like a bone in the throat. But for most gifted children, this is a social elevator. Without the USE, they would have almost no chance of entering the leading universities of the country.

[Prince of Pensions]

All in all seriousness

Who is he, this Serious? What is it? I just can’t get used to it. Hearing hearing eyes))

[Kenneth]

Yes, the basic exam in mathematics is simple and primitive. But specialized universities do not need a basic exam. And the one that is not basic this year has become very complicated.

[evil partisan]

Dear Alexey! I fully share your desire to make our secondary education more perfect, especially in the field of natural sciences and mathematics, because he himself graduated from the Faculty of Physics in due time and all my labor activity was connected with science, industry and the educational process. However, there is no need to dramatize the situation in secondary education so much. Still, a person receives the most important education in his life himself, in the process of self-education. School is just a small window into the world of knowledge, giving the little person initial knowledge about the nature and structure of the world, the language of his own and other countries, etc. Anyone who wants to become an engineer, programmer, electronics engineer, materials scientist, doctor, astronomer, biologist and etc. will always find a way to do this and easily fill all the gaps in school education himself or with the help of university teachers. Fortunately, the social need for highly qualified workers and engineers has already formed in our country. And this is the main point. The rest (and the USE in particular) are already details. And further. The upbringing of LOVE people is a purely state task. And the State should not shy away from this task. In the end: "Science is a way to satisfy the curiosity of individuals at the expense of the state." - when else it was said ...

[Aventurinka]

No one talks better about the exam, in my opinion.

[NordUral]

Yeah, the heyday of high school ... In the distant 1966, there were only three fives in my math exams at the institute exams. A crook from education will ruin the country.

[Bort radist]

We have an ordinary school, the profile is not mathematical.
11 class
Maths:
base - surrendered everything;
profile - an average score of 44, passed everything.
Russian language - an average score of 81, one 100 balnitsa (the second year there are graduates of 100 points), several people scored 96, 98 each. I repeat in grade 10 they took everyone. In Russian, they showed the result above the gymnasiums. In our area (sleeping) there are 4 restrooms.
Social Studies average mark - 64.
Several children have submitted documents to St. Petersburg, they will probably do so.
The performance of children is almost 100% dependent on the mutual understanding of children and teachers. Another thing is that a certain number (far from all) neither want to learn by any system. The vocational schools were removed, and a wall was formed on which teachers, parents and children are fighting. I am not an ardent champion of the exam, but there is a rational kernel in the system. And I repeat: if parents raise their children correctly, the child has a desire to learn, the teacher knows his subject from and to. No matter how our enemies try, we will always have the best minds, scientists and discoveries. The general higher is not necessary. Turners, milling workers of the 6th category do for the country maybe more than generators of ideas.

[Rostislav]

What is the goal of the ministry of education to ensure that the next generation does not know how to think?

Destroy the country, what else. It is not possible to take by force, now they are trying to get close from the inside - "European values", etc. And the exam is needed to make it easier to manipulate these "educated".

[afrikanez]

It’s time to end the sabotage in education, those responsible for the chopping block for treason. Only this way and not otherwise.

[Super Black]

The tasks are really not difficult, but when I entered the university (in the era before the exam), the tasks were also not difficult, not the same as at MIPT or MSTU, and it was much easier to enter than to study later. Out of 52 people in my specialty I finished my diploma 24. The university itself is engaged in filtering and not the selection committee, I think the approach is correct and in this case there is no difference ege-neege. The approach is very reliable.

[AK64]

The tasks are really not difficult, but when I entered the university (in the era before the exam), the tasks were also not difficult, not the same as at MIPT or MSTU, and it was much easier to enter than to study later. Out of 52 people in my specialty I finished my diploma 24. The university itself is engaged in filtering and not the selection committee, I think the approach is correct and in this case there is no difference ege-neege. The approach is very reliable.

Your logic is amazing to me.
Look, you have finished out of 52 accepted 24, that is, less than half.
And you consider this kind of selection "reliable" and "correct"?

And in my opinion it would be easier and much cheaper to accept people on the basis of school graduation --- and the result would be the same.

Entrance exams were necessary for one reason - from Central Asia and the Caucasus, "excellent students" and "medalists" were crowded. It was them that was necessary, if not weed out, then at least check.

[Super Black]

I consider it reliable and correct. In any case, fools will not pass such a filtering system, while there is less chance of eliminating good students at the entrance exam stage due to random factors.

[AK64]

With a final delivery of less than 50%, it would be cheaper and easier to accept according to the results of school exams.

[BISMARCK94]

Sending children to study abroad is not patriotic, and "but where does the money come from, but show the declaration."
Sending children to our schools - "they don't teach nicherta there", "future victims of the Unified State Exam", now they got to the bottom of the prom. As the saying goes: "You either put on your panties, or take off the cross." The audience is constantly unhappy.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Vadim237

Yes, if now the author, with a Soviet education, was given the exam, in mathematics, he would surely fail him miserably.

Of course I would have failed now! Each has its own time. I’m sure that even in 1989 the Soviet schoolchildren would have passed excellent marks, and to argue that the author hasn’t passed the exam now, at least not logically. How much time has passed since the school Personally, I once did well both in higher mathematics and in the TOERC and OTS, but that doesn’t mean that I would have passed it with the same result. To the author +! EGE is just stupid coaching without the basics of logic. Having solved the same problems, anyone can show result.

[Vadim237]

You try to pass first this "Dull coaching without the basics of logic" - especially part C - it is not the most of the same type in the exam.

[atamankko]

Need to turn to school
and not to officials from education.

[bandabas]

The difference between the Soviet school was that it was necessary to explain not only how, but also why. Of course, there were also minuses, but homework did not consist of a choice of 3-5 points for answering the question. I know, since my daughter is now in the 6th grade. In short, they are slowly destroying the country.

[Kotr]

The current education is profanity. Very illiterate, and even militants. There are no literate journalists. All the professionals have left the Soviet school. Is it really difficult to learn at least the correct stress?
Sorrel, croutons, croutons, etc.? Interlinear even on the central channels are illiterate. For this you need to drive from work! After all, the ignoramuses on TV increase the number of ignoramuses at times! It's sad.

[tilix]

The author is right, of course, but does not fully explain why. The fact is that the assessments of such events must obey the law of "Normal distribution", and with 40% of excellent students, Gauss does not even smell.

[ishty]

And they add a factor, apparently. This factor may be the percentage suitable for the profile exam.

[evil partisan]

Quote: tilix

evaluations of such events must obey the law of "Normal distribution"

Just the same, no. Education is not a random process. Analogy: If you ask the question "What is 2x2?" random people on the street, then you will not get the Gaussian distribution no matter how you try ...

[tilix]

then the Gaussian distribution does not get

Why do we need a street, we can assume that anyone older than 7 years old will answer correctly, and younger in age up to infants, with varying degrees of success. And what will this tell us? What would know the home would live in Sochi?
As I understand the author, the exam should not be a memory of dozens of times the decision repeated, but should be a reflection of his own thoughts and understanding. In such conditions, the notorious bell must appear. Otherwise, the exam is not in mathematics with a due degree of difficulty, but let's say, in spelling with a mat. bias.
Therefore, he wrote that the author "does not fully explain." IMHO, the correct exam, with the due degree of difficulty, will give Gauss.

[evil partisan]

Quote: tilix

we can assume that anyone older than 7 years old will answer correctly, and younger in age up to infants, with varying degrees of success.

All the same, you will not receive Gauss. The age distribution will be clearly with a maximum after 20 years. Yes, and assignments in mathematics are performed by no one horrible (... babies under 7 years old ), namely, those who have studied in the required volume (well, like, I studied ...) all the mathematics course necessary at this stage of training. I'm not talking about the fact that some respondents according to your method have not yet been taught to talk ... So your example with Gauss doesn’t work either .

[tilix]

Maybe I didn’t explain it so? Yes, we won’t get Gauss with your example, I don’t argue, but for the same reason there is no Gauss in this exam. It should be. If not, then it’s not that they will examine. What Gauss, at forty percent then?

[evil partisan]

Quote: tilix

It should be.

Once again I explain: education is not random, but an ordered process, the purpose of which is reliable, and I repeat - reliable receipt by students of knowledge in a certain volume. Due to the orderliness of the process itself and, consequently, of the exam, as an integral part of the process, we will not receive a Gaussian distribution. A simple example: we bring a class from a physical-mat school for an math exam in a regular school. Well, what kind of Gauss will we get then?

[mega lord]

I see here the majority is indignant, not paying attention to the fact that the author is distorting the facts, speaking about excellent students in the exam. Basic mathematics is taken into account, passing which you will not be able to enter a university for an engineering or economic specialty, or another, where a mathematical mindset is required.
Passing the basic exam in mathematics is very simple and only checks the mastery of the school curriculum at level "4". While passing the profile exam in mathematics at 70-80 points is already a very great achievement, because students are practically not prepared for it, and assignments are from an advanced level.

[evil partisan]

Quote: Megalord

Passing the basic exam in mathematics is very simple and only checks the mastery of the school curriculum at level "4".

What is it about, Colleague!

[ride78]

In fact, which shows the girl on the first desk, much can already be said about her and her future.

[Erg]

Nothing. Soon the teachers who passed the exam will "catch up" ... Vo, then the result will trample.

[Ilya77]

As much as you can whine about the Unified State Examination, today's children are no more stupid than you, the Soviet education has brought up not only engineers and scientists, but all this gangster shusher of the 90s and the current corruption layer. The unified state exam in the presently completely corrupt country is a chance for many to enroll without prestige in a prestigious university, and the reverse introduction of examinations in schools and universities will dissolve corruption even more and pressure will increase even more on teachers. It would be better if they attended to free meals and textbooks in schools.

[Evil 55]

Laughter, laughter, but in the Far East There were no such idiotic tasks ... neither in the base nor in the profile ... the exam, in mathematics, in physics, in social science, it was really harder than in Western subjects ... Perhaps, in order to "consolidate" the potential in the regions, perhaps even from some someone's "interests" or "assigned tasks." In classes, 30% of them did not pass the minimum threshold, and these are not teaching flaws, but an "attitude" to oust residents Siberia and the Far East in techies, colleges and vocational schools for the development of "blue-collar occupations", free hands for "highly intellectual" majors from the Western regions ..

[Alexander S.]

Where is your evidence?

[Aviator_]

USE is debilitation, how will applicants at universities study with such knowledge?

[Erg]

I helped a friend make repairs. In the process, the question "area of ​​a circle" arose. I asked (for fun) from a friend's daughter (3rd year inst.). She doesn't know, she got into an iPhone ... You try to use literary devices in a conversation with her - you don't know the characters (Dumas, Druon, Cooper, Scott, etc.). He looks at me like an alien ... But they and their friends know how to "hang out" and "stick out" ... Girls are 20-22, and in the head partying. My mother gave birth to me at 17. Work, evening institute. And this was not a feat ...

[Egor123]

So, in St. Petersburg, “graduating” from school costs about 20 thousand rubles (this is an average of one of the gymnasiums), but in Sakhalin there are frequent cases of graduation balls of 80 thousand per person ...

I don’t know how everywhere, but this year I graduated from the 9 class and paid only 2 thousands, I live in the Stavropol Territory

[the same doctor]

The author is malicious or incompetent. The five in basic mathematics does not give the right to enter a university, because all its insinuations are groundless. If the exam were tougher, then the author would likewise denounce the pointlessness of mockery of future vocational schools. Grantoed? And who released him with this subversive nonsense to the public?

[serverny]

The "level" of the USE's success perfectly shows that the Russian Federation has ceased to take first places in international Olympiads in mathematics, although the USSR took them once every 2-3 years.
Children did not become dumber, but it is obvious that the system has learned to kill the craving for knowledge and self-improvement in talented promising children.

[D. Dan]

No, all the same, Soviet education was better! Well, except for any water about the history of the revolution

[valbar]

Dear Alexey Volodin! Before throwing a stone into education, I advise you to understand the structure of the math exam. After all, they passed the basic level perfectly. It is important only for obtaining a certificate, but does not give a right to enter a university! For this, the students pass the exam in mathematics of a profile level. And the results of teachers and schools have long been compared not by these results, but by the number of graduates who enrolled in universities on a budgetary basis! And you did it like gossip women in the market!

[tracer]

Many, many people confuse the very essence of schooling. For some, solving examples and problems is simply an end in itself. And this is the same as thinking that the most important thing in jumping rope is jumping rope. And not training the muscles and ligaments of the legs for endurance and strength. Who dared to say that, hello to the “advantages” of modern school education, graduates of these schools are smarter than graduates of the pre-reform period?