Romanians of Ukrainian Bukovina require Poroshenko to grant them territorial autonomy

Information Agency TASS With reference to the coordinator of the Assembly Council, the Romanians are publishing a material in which they speak about a note sent on behalf of the representatives of the assembly addressed to the President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko. The note states that the current situation of the Romanians of Bukovina does not meet European standards, and that Kiev should grant territorial autonomy to the Bukovinian Romanians.

At the same time, the note of the Council of the Assembly of Romanians states that the precedent Kiev has already been created. We are talking about the promises made by Petro Poroshenko to representatives of the so-called “Majlis of the Crimean Tatars” in the person of Dzhemilev and Chubarov regarding the granting of autonomy in the territory of the Kherson region. In his address to Poroshenko, they say that the Romanians “want their rights to be realized on their ancestral lands.”

From the text of the appeal:

At the same time, we, the Romanians of Bukovina, have special circumstances for leadership in this matter. Our land until the 1944 year was the territory of Romania. Our ancestors lived for hundreds of years in Northern Bukovina, creating the culture and national wealth of this land. At the same time, we today lack elementary rights and freedoms.

It should be recalled that previously Transcarpathian Rusyns and Hungarians had turned to Kiev with a similar initiative, but Kiev had ignored their demands.

For your information:
About 10,000 Romanians live on the territory of Ukraine today. The largest number of them is concentrated in the Chernivtsi region “Square”, where every fifth considers himself to be a Romanian-Moldavian ethnic group.

Comments

[Vend]

Well, the collapse of Ukraine can no longer be stopped. Extra Ukraine on the world map.

[cniza]

Quote: Wend

Well, the collapse of Ukraine can no longer be stopped. Extra Ukraine on the world map.

Yes, the point of no return is passed.

[Mahmut]

the situation of Romanians in Bukovina does not comply with European standards,

You might think that the situation of Romanian Romanians is in line with European standards.

At the same time, the note of the Council of the Assembly of Romanians states that Kiev has already set a precedent. We are talking about the promises made by Petro Poroshenko to representatives of the so-called “Mejlis of the Crimean Tatars” in the person of Dzhemilev and Chubarov regarding the provision of autonomy in the Kherson region.

The promises given to the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatars are not a precedent, but a promise that they have been waiting for 3 years, but forgetting on the 4th.

[Oprychnik]

In particular, Romanian gypsies were driven out of France by a filthy broom. There is no respect for human rights in the European world! But in vain!)))

[Oprychnik]

My mother, when she was studying in Astrakhan at the age of 17 at a fish technical school, a gypsy guessed her husband’s surname and was mistaken for only one letter.)))

[Thrall]

Budulai on vacation

[Lukich]

Quote: cniza

Yes, the point of no return is passed.

on the Maidan in 2014

[GSH-18]

Romanians of Ukrainian Bukovina require Poroshenko to grant them territorial autonomy

And this is just the beginning.

[haron]

Quote: GSH-18

And this is just the beginning.

The beginning of what ??
This is the beginning of how the Romanians of Bukovina will scam the Romanians of Romania.
Himself from those edges. Local Moldovans and Ukrainians (Bukovinians shorter), who sharply changed their colors to Romanians, needed Romanian passports - and free entry to the EEC for work. ALL! They don’t need anything else, especially Romanian order, when a policeman pounds his abandoned butt with a club without hesitation.
Do not have the inhabitants of Bukovina for idiots :) no one will change the soap for a club, but of course you need to shout from the rostrum and work out lei from ciguransa
When Odessa's mother was just being built in Chernivtsi, world-class gas-shafts were spinning. Some of the last figures, fed on the bukovina of which are: Kravchuk, Firtash, Yatsenyuk ...
Romanians will curse the day when they will return "THIS" Bukovina.

[oleg-gr]

Will each region become a state independent of Kuev? The UN will have to prepare new places ...

[Lelek]

Quote: oleg-gr

Will each region become a state independent of Kuev?

Everything is simple. The vultures sensed the end of the calf, flocked together, settled around and wait for the last cramp to pull the corpse through its nests (Poles, Magyars, Romanians). In the meantime, the main scavengers, the USA and the EU, are tearing pieces from still alive (they are not used to becoming).

[marlin1203]

Well? New ATO? I don’t think so!

[ohtandur]

they have the right! As a Moldavian, I categorically affirm that Ukraine has territories that it must return. Only not Romania, but Moldova as the successor of the Principality of Moldova and the only independent (legally) state formation of Moldavians. We also demand the return of the illegally seized territories of Southern Bessarabia - Belgorod and Izmail, historically belonging to Moldovans like Kiliya and Chetatya Albe (White Fortress), for which we shed blood in the war with the Turks (later they were lost and renamed by the Turks), but in the Russian Empire these the territories were considered Moldavian and Khrushchev privatized them like Crimea. Ukrainians are just enchantingly lucky that we have a corrupt Moldovan elite who does not advocate for national interests, but for Romanian, European and, first of all, their own pockets. Legally, Moldavians have accumulated a lot of questions for Ukraine.

[ohtandur]

but for minus have something to answer? why are you minus citizens? Express your disagreement.

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: ohtandur

but for minus have something to answer? why are you minus citizens? Express your disagreement.

Then some kind of damned wound up ... everyone who minus the case .. do not pay attention

[YGV-97219]

Well, judging by the minuses of the devils at least five!

[gg.na]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

.All who is in the business minus .. Do not pay attention

So even if I wrote a pancake for which it puts the cons, and then the society does not understand such hysteria!

[33 Watcher]

Quote: ohtandur

but for minus have something to answer? why are you minus citizens? Express your disagreement.

And I basically agree. Desovetization, so desovetization. All honestly.

[your1970]

Chur Moldovans / Romanians / Gypsies do not kick very cruelly - it’s just now that it’s really very difficult to determine who owns any lands - the 20th century showed this especially clearly (sometimes using methods like in a movie -countries were cut like sausage in Olivier and that who got something and got it)

Z.Y. I love this film, it’s a sinful thing - it hurt the actors to play well, especially Bogdan Stupka ....

[weksha50]

Quote: your1970

Love this movie sinful

Hmm ... We knew how to convince before ... And the last phrase is very convincing: "You are a good leader ... There would be more such" ...

PS I wanted to do something the whole Duma and the government of the Romanians and send to the gypsy homeland - to Siberia ... Air ... Space ...

[Woland]

What about Sergey Gazarov? Well, the gypsy copy!

[Observer2014]

ohtandur MD Today, 16:41 ↑
but for minus have something to answer? why are you minus citizens? Express your disagreement.

Mom, dear, yes I am! me! Clicked the wrong way Read below my comments

[ohtandur]

Well, if by mistake, it’s not scary

[gg.na]

Quote: Observer2014

Yes I! me! Clicked the wrong way

Yes, it happens to me too that I’ll hit the wrong pancake and after that I don’t even know what to do! It was and often is with me!

[Observer2014]

gg.na (6) RU Today, 19:15 ↑
Quote: Observer2014
Yes I! me! Clicked the wrong way
Yes, it happens to me too that I’ll hit the wrong pancake and after that I don’t even know what to do! It was and often is with me! feel

That's it! Pray! There is no forgiveness to you!
Joke!

[gg.na]

Quote: Observer2014

Joke!

I understand the jokes! You 100500 +++++++++++++ !!!!!!!!!!

[weksha50]

Quote: ohtandur

but for minus have something to answer? why are you minus citizens?

Most likely, "Chihari guests" are from Ukraine ... Don't be surprised ...

[1rl141]

Well, let's say I do not agree. Although I didn’t set the minuses, I strongly disagree.
To start with, I want to ask you, Moldovans, is there enough space for the present territory? You don’t fit there? Or will you become happier if the Ukrainians return the lands to you, collect their manat and dump them wherever they look? And they will leave everything to you. After all, Ukrainians will not want to learn the Moldavian language, which means there will be contradictions. And the Moldavians with pleasure will begin to slice the Ukrainians. It’s their land! This has already happened more than once in the history of mankind. And you propose to step on this rake again?
And than the Moldovans, who have accumulated questions, are better than the Pole who sleeps and sees Poland "from May to May". You tell a Pole your reasons, he will explain to any Moldovan on his fingers, whose legal territory is.
It’s better to live quietly with what you have. It will be better. And they’ll take something else.

[ohtandur]

I understood your position. In some ways, even agree with you. But there is one caveat. We never attacked anyone, foreign lands were not captured. and ours were lost. By your logic, you can limit Moldova to Chisinau alone - let’s fit in. And we will not bother anyone. For the time being. Then there will be claims to Chisinau. It is so? But new lands now we really do not need, because our government is mediocre. And the access to the Black Sea is even not enough for us. And about nationalism .. here you can argue a lot. But Russia is multinational, multilingual. You live somehow, right? And for some reason you needed Crimea. Although you have a lot of land in Russia. I, maybe it sounds strange - but I'm against nationalism. But I am for historical justice. And manat, rake .. it is really very real. But this, with adequacy, can be avoided. Well this is so ... in theory. After all, no one will return the land to us)))

[1rl141]

Quote: ohtandur

For some reason you needed Crimea. Although you have a lot of land in Russia.

There are 2 million Russians living in Crimea, so there is no need to dump them, learn a foreign language, etc. Nobody will try to take something away from them, "squeeze it out according to the law," and so on. Therefore, Crimea now, like many years ago, is Russia. Moldovans and Bukovina will not be able to do that. Others have been living there for a long time. Did the Moldovans try to ban languages ​​other than Moldovan in Transnistria? Everyone knows what happened. Try to return your lands and ban the Ukrainian language there. Then Moldova will definitely be limited to Chisinau.

[dauria]

. But I am for historical justice.

Excuse me, what year (century, millennium) will we start? So it goes, or take a peek? You know, many may have objections, sometimes even with a nuclear warhead. Moreover, there was no GPS, and strained with satellite maps, but what if they drew a dash?

[haron]

Quote: ohtandur

but for minus have something to answer?

I did not set a minus, but I will answer.
If you really know the history, then take the trouble to look for how many and what nationalities lived in the northern Bukovina until 1918, until 1402 Further - who belonged to Wallachia and who Moldova (by the way, in what language was the case-production conducted there), and generally determine the difference between Moldavia, Wallachia and the territory of northern Bukovina - aka Shipin land, "the great Bukovinian contraband way".
Read Kindl, the Austrian historian of Bukovina.
Well, in the end, give the legitimate territories of Turkey or Italy.

[Weyland]

Quote: ohtandur

but for minus have something to answer?

You have 50 pluses and 7 minuses - and rejoice that they are - not in vain our Lord said: "Woe to you, when all people will speak well of you! "

[Observer2014]

ohtandur MD Today, 16:34 PM ↑ New
they have the right! As a Moldavian, I categorically affirm that Ukraine has territories that it must return. Only not Romania, but Moldova as the successor of the Principality of Moldova and the only independent (legally) state formation of Moldavians. We also demand the return of the illegally seized territories of Southern Bessarabia - Belgorod and Izmail, historically belonging to Moldovans like Kiliya and Chetatya Albe (White Fortress), for which we shed blood in the war with the Turks (later they were lost and renamed by the Turks), but in the Russian Empire these the territories were considered Moldavian and Khrushchev privatized them like Crimea. Ukrainians are just enchantingly lucky that we have a corrupt Moldovan elite who does not advocate for national interests, but for Romanian, European and, first of all, their own pockets. Legally, Moldavians have accumulated a lot of questions for Ukraine.

Until the XIV century, the territory of modern Moldova was part of the possessions of various tribal unions (Geto-Dacians, Goths, Antas) and state formations (the Old Russian state, So we will not go into details. In general, "Moldova is the way home" tell? Or you might think the Moldavians I don’t want to!? Ah! I don’t hear? Yes, the Moldovans are hardworking, wonderful people. To hell with the State Department in 1989. But General Lebed (Kingdom of Heaven) Healed! Now ask the Moldovans what they want? Yes, they want to Russia. And the names of we are common, although the alphabet is different.

[Dr. Bormental]

I confirm completely !!! Today a colleague came from vacation, was in Moldova, where he has relatives, graves of his parents ... He says they treat Russia very well, they love Putin, but they think that we "betrayed" them, they didn't take them with us. Prices for us are cheap, for them they are very high, because the salary is very low. A bottle of vodka (medium scab) about 60-80 rubles. for ours, the pension is about 1000-1500 rubles, for ours.

[ohtandur]

here in such a discord with reality and live

[Observer2014]

ohtandur MD Today, 17:18 PM ↑ New
here in such a discord with reality and we live recourse

That's the whole point. And you will ask men from Moldova.
"How is Europe?"
And they repeat it in unison. How they conspired.
"What a .. Europe!"
Yes, you really don’t know where you will find, but where you will lose.

[Lord of the Sith]

Quote: ohtandur

here in such a discord with reality and live

We have a pension in the Donbass 2000-4000 rubles.

[Observer2014]

Lord of the Sith

We have a pension in the Donbass 2000-4000 rubles.

At the militia, sorry, now on a contract at the forefront of 15000 rubles salary? (This is literally today enlightened me)
Dear "Lord of the Sith", if you know or find out, please let us know the real salary of people on the front line. Maybe someone allocates money and does not know about it. Others do not need to be afraid of the word salary. People need to feed their families for something, be treated, heal, teach their children. And when 1 kg of meat (pork) costs 500 r, is it probably hard to do? Or someone thinks differently?

[Krasniy_lis]

Quote: Observer2014

now on contract at the forefront

military personnel ordinary personnel zp 15 000 rubles. Absolutely.
Meat (pork) is still cheaper than 500. 350-400 somewhere.
You can not ask Vladyka, for he would receive this information from me

[gladcu2]

Dr. Bromenthal

Yes, the whole world treats Russia well, but not officially ...

Generally taking the opportunity at the expense of Bukovina. There is such a mixture of nationalities that the Romanians are definitely in the absolute minority. Some 2-3 Romanian villages. About 200 is already too much.

[gg.na]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

A bottle of vodka (average scab) about 60-80 rubles. for ours, a pension of about 1000-1500 rubles, for ours.

no-and-and-and-a-ass !!!

[ohtandur]

no need to mix history dear. You undoubtedly know well the history of your people. I know mine. Geto-Dacians are an ancient people. Partially conquered by the Romans and under their "democracy" for about 150-200 years, then the natives were thrown when the "gold reserve" ended. Until the 14th century, local residents cooked so much that right now the devil will break a leg whose heirs we are. Romanians shout that exclusively Romans. Although I doubt that we have a lot of their genetics. There is also, about horror, Slavic genetics. But nonetheless. During the Middle Ages, Modawans spoke a language belonging to the Latin group (premenéné). They wrote in Krill. We were friends with the Russians. There were no wars with the Russians at all. There were raids by the Cossacks, but this is a particular. Also the raids of the Tatars. Then the Turks appeared. Wallachia was quickly crushed, and Moldavia resisted. A century longer. And our "brothers" Vlachs helped the Turks. But this is the lyrics. Then, in order not to be completely trampled between the Poles, the Vegrians and the Turks (all buried themselves at us), Moldova became a vassal of the Ottoman Empire. For us it ended in tears because the state development is over. In the 19th century, RI took part of Moldova for itself - up to the Prut, calling the new territory Bessarabia (why the hell? Bessarabs was a dynasty of Wallachian princes before being conquered by the Turks). And the rest remained a vassal of the Axis, which later became half of Romania. In the Republic of Ingushetia, Moldovans have retained their identity. And in Romania, there was de-Nazification and performance - Moldovans began to call themselves Romanians. Well, this is the propaganda of the Wallachian elite. Over the centuries, the territory of Moldova has been decreasing. In the 19th century, by half (by the way, I still cannot understand why the Republic of Ingushetia did not demand the whole of Moldova about the Turks? It was a fatal mistake). Then Khrushchev presented Server Bukovina and Southern Bessarabia to nenka. Right now, thanks to the Romanian nationalists, Prednistrovie was torn away and lost.

And the fact that you emotionally piled up I understood poorly. The fact that our people treat Russians well is a fact. That Moldova is now not friendly to Russia at the elite level is also a fact. You in Russia have their own problems that you yourself voiced and you don’t know how to deal with. We have the same. So what?

[Weyland]

Quote: ohtandur

Geto-Dacians are an ancient people. Partially conquered by the Romans and under their "democracy" for about 150-200 years

The term Geto-Dacian is conditional, reflecting linguistic (but not state!) Unity. The Getae ("the fairest of the Thracians") lived on the territory of Moldavia, and the Dacians - much to the west!

[Weyland]

Quote: ohtandur

Geto-Dacians are an ancient people. Partially conquered by the Romans and under their "democracy" for about 150-200 years

The term Geto-Dacian is conditional, reflecting linguistic (but not state!) Unity. The Getae ("the fairest of the Thracians") lived on the territory of Moldavia, and the Dacians - much to the west!

[34 region]

16.34. No need to hysterical lieutenant colonel! The site is military! There is a war (informational). Put a minus, consider you hurt. But you won’t be screaming in battle for what they shoot at me and for what you’ve been wounded? You weren’t killed (banned). So why yell? Be a male officer! From me you are an analgesic plus.

[forester]

Plus for your nobility!

[gigiperfetto]

Comrade Lieutenant Colonel, help is not needed?

[brisk]

Quote: ohtandur

Only not Romania, but Moldova as the successor of the Principality of Moldova and the only independent (legally) state formation of Moldavians. We also demand the return of the illegally seized territories of Southern Bessarabia - Belgorod and Izmail, historically belonging to Moldovans like Kiliya and Chetatya Albe (White Fortress), for which we shed blood in the war with the Turks (subsequently were lost and renamed by the Turks)

Let's proceed from what is at the moment. And not something that once belonged to someone. You can go so far. Then Moldova must be returned to Rome. Or Macedonia. And it seems like Bolgrad is Bulgarian, not Moldavian. Will the Bulgarians want to surrender to Moldavia? Fershteen? Gagauzia to whom should they return?

[Woland]

And what does Moldova have to do with it. if there is 20% romanian? And then, in Moldova, the majority (as official Chisinau says) consider themselves Romanians. So, logically speaking, only Romania can pretend

[akims]

At school, the teacher gets acquainted with the students, asks what is the name, who are the parents.
Masha gets up, says:
- Masha Ivanova, father is Russian, mother is Russian, I am also Russian.
Moysha gets up and says:
- And my dad is Jewish, my mother is Jewish, I was born in Russia, therefore Russian. Here
Vovochka gets up and says:
- This is what happens, I have a Russian dad, a Russian mother, I was born in
garage, so what am I, ZIL-130?

[black]

In the ass. I, as a Kuban Cossack, a descendant of the Zaporozhye Cossacks, demand the return of the Kuban, Zaporozhye - our historical homeland, illegally annexed by Ukraine, with the direct participation of the imperial house of the Romanovs.

[moskowit]

And rightly demand. No one wants to live it is not clear what ...

[dmitriyruss]

- Ivan, and let's stir up the Maidan in Moscow!
- What for, Mikola?
- We’ll burn the tires, Sakhalin will delay, we’ll arrange a war in the Caucasus ...
- No I do not want
- This is because you are a zombie, Putin’s slave and you hate everything Ukrainian!

[kmv 77]

Who is next ?

[Dr. Bormental]

In theory, Psheki should claim claims ..

[33 Watcher]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

In theory, Psheki should claim claims ..

And they will say, this is only a matter of time. Moments of convenience await.

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: Observer 33

And they will say, this is only a matter of time. Moments of convenience await.

I’ve read somewhere about a year ago that Psheks filed about 1500 complaints with the courts for the return of property in Lviv (it was about mansions), but they were told that they could be considered for decades ... I don’t know how it is now, at what stage, but it seems like a precedent took place

[Altona]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

In theory, Psheki should claim claims ..

---------------------
What? Let Warsaw turn Russia back! Once things have gone. There, the Czech Republic and Germany will catch up on Polish Silesia and part of Prussia ...

[Proxima]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

In theory, Psheki should claim claims ..

Pshekam and the same Romanians it would be better to be silent in a rag. Especially, this applies to the latter. Everyone knows that following the results of WWII, Romania, which after 1944 "made a feasible contribution" to the "fight" against fascism, GOT A TRANSILVANATION. But how the Romanians "fought against fascism" before 44 is better not to remember.

[Dr. Bormental]

I once saw as a child how a wounded (or sick) pigeon of a raven was torn alive to shreds .. the picture was creepy. Right now, similar associations with Ukraine are self-evident ... maybe Ukrainians were going to rush to pieces in Europe? As part of different states? Like not a carcass, so stuffed?

[ohtandur]

but in vain, we must remember. And also Romania’s eye splinter in her behavior in WWI. Such a somersault like her, no country then did. Even the psheks. Fought on the side of the Antanatas against the Germans. After the revolution in the Republic of Ingushetia, it captured Bessarabia (such an allied assistance), then, to keep Bessarabia, it sided with the Germans. But the Germans lost and they again went over to the side of the Anatantes, and asking both nishtyaks for themselves - Transylvania and Bessarabia. But at the international level, legally, Bessarabia was not recognized for Romania. Therefore, until 1940 it was aggression. And the USSR had the right to demand these territories back, which happened. But the Romanians do not like to remember what they did in Moldova from 1918 to 1940. But they talk about the evil and aggressive Bolshevik Russia that took its native part of the country from it. Against this background, her story in the Second World War does not add anything new. What do you want? It was created in the 19th century from the Wallachian and Moldavian principalities initially as an anti-Russian project. Guess the authors ...

[sever.56]

The first step to the department of Bukovina. The second will be to receive Romanian passports. The third is a referendum on independence and a request for joining Romania.
What, Petya and "svidomye" will continue to talk about "Ukraine is tse Europe"?
The beginning of the big derban of the Outskirts by "brothers - Europeans" was laid ...
On the way to the pie - Ukraine, - Hungary, Poland, Slovakia.
With such a development of events, Russia has full moral and political right, and even a duty, to take under its wing the primordially Russian lands of Novorossiya, transferred to the new formation, called Ukraine, as a result of short-sighted and voluntaristic decisions of politicians who were at the helm of power in those days!

[kuz363]

Right Russia needs to make maximum use of such sentiments in Western Ukraine. To support, to help ... This will then be in the hands of Donbass and other areas. And then on this occasion, the official authorities are generally silent. And under the USSR, they always defended the oppressed blacks and other Asians!

[Amurets]

Quote: sever.56

The first step to the department of Bukovina. The second will be to receive Romanian passports. The third is a referendum on independence and a request for joining Romania.

Yes, the Romanians in Bukovina, like Moldovans, have long received Romanian passports.
http://www.bolshoyvopros.ru/questions/827010-skolko-grazhdan-rumynii-prozhivajut
-v-ukraine.html

[ohtandur]

Well, these I will tell you purely for easy access to Europe. I personally know that most of the Moldovans received passports put on the Romanians and their propaganda - you just need to earn money. I'll tell you more - in Moldova there are even Russians who received this coveted passport without even knowing the Romanian language which is a prerequisite for obtaining citizenship. ... So in this case "purely business". Although the Romanians naturally handle this process politically for themselves .. which is a little alarming ..

[Simon]

Oh! No matter how you had to change your passports, for some others, in Romania the same is not sweet!

[ohtandur]

Yes, I would have used my Romanian (which I didn’t fill out - it was a bad thing) I would gladly change it to Russian! I’m still thinking how can I renounce Romanian citizenship? stupidly agreed to him, so he never used it.

[Amurets]

Quote: ohtandur

Well, these I will tell you purely for easy access to Europe. I personally know that most of the Moldovans received passports put on the Romanians and their propaganda - you just need to earn money.

I don’t mind. Before the previous comment, I looked at what is on this issue and what kind of mood there is. And what is required of territorial autonomy is their right. Just Ukraine needs to think: what will it end with? Disintegration into separate regions or is it there will be a federation, union or something else, but it will be a normal Ukrainian state.

[ksv36]

So what? Will ATOs be done in the West too?

[A-Sim]

Give the Romanians
Their autonomy.
It's time for Ukraine -
to the junkyard of history.

[soroKING]

it was necessary to add that the prashenka folder itself is a Romanian yavrei

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: soroKING

it was necessary to add that the prashenka folder itself is a Romanian yavrei

A folder, not a folder, but it's too early to die. The instructions of amers are not fulfilled.

[Abbra]

... and then the gypsies went on the attack ...

[Abbra]

Romals !!!! For what minus ??????

[ohtandur]

I didn’t set a minus, but I’ll spend an educational program. For this comparison of Romanians with gypsies is tired. Romanians are still those bastards, but not gypsies. In past centuries, in the territory of present-day Romania, gypsies were very exploited, they were servants of the boyars. A lot of folklore and jokes on this subject have been preserved. But the slavery of the gypsies ended - they were given free rein. But the gypsies did not manage to dispose of it correctly. But they remained on the territory of Romania and multiplied very much. However, local Moldovans and Wallachians treated them with contempt and apprehension - they stole, stole, even children, and they did not like to work. From a certain canoe, the gypsies began to call themselves Romans - like they are Roma, the heirs of ancient Rome. And they are very scrupulous when they are called not Roma but Gypsies (as a Negro it is called the United States a niger - Brother 2). In the same 19th century, a new nation appeared - the Romanians. This is a merger of the Wallachians, Moldavians and Transylvanian into one whole (national reconciliation, hello Russians! ) But for many Russians, phonetically, the words rumyn, romal are considered close, which means the same thing. Therefore, Romanians are gypsies. But this is wrong. Romanians themselves are very affected by the gypsy culture and their association with this ethnos. Of course, their behavior also raises complaints.

[1rl141]

Quote: ohtandur

Therefore, Romanians are gypsies. But this is wrong. Romanians themselves are very affected by the gypsy culture and their association with this ethnos.

Somehow I was interested in reading about Gypsies, and that's what I read. Those gypsies who now live in Russia are mostly Romanians. They scattered all over Europe from Romania. Even now they have retained their generic names, largely from the occupations that their clan traded. Kotlovary, Kelderara, Servah and many others.
Gypsies were not loved at all where.
Sweden. A law of 1637 prescribes the hanging of male gypsies.
Mainz 1714 year. Death to all gypsies captured within the state. Spanking and stigmatization of women and children with the hot iron.
England. Under the law of 1554, the death penalty for men. According to an additional decree of Elizabeth I, the law was tightened. From now on, the execution awaited "those who lead or will lead friendship or acquaintance with the Egyptians." Already in 1577, seven Englishmen and one Englishwoman fell under this decree. They were all hanged in Aylesbury.
The historian Scott-McPhee has 148 laws passed in German states from the XNUMXth to the XNUMXth centuries. They were all about the same, diversity manifested only in detail. So, in Moravia, the gypsies were cut off the left ear, in Bohemia the right. In the Archduke of Austria, they preferred to stigmatize and so on.
Perhaps the most cruel was Frederick William I of Prussia. In 1725, he commanded the death of all gypsies male and female over eighteen years old.
Probably only in Russia, under the "bloody communist regime," they tried to treat the Roma like people. But wherever they were kissed, everywhere it turned out to be oops.

[The stranger]

Worse, from here they crawled everywhere.
In the X century, someone brought them through the Bosphorus, about 1 (one thousand) people. Bought somewhere in India, even for money, such as singers - musicians. And since they never intended to do anything else than reproduction, no matter what - this is the result ...
So it’s clear that we infected Russia through Romania, but from here (((

[Weyland]

Quote: ohtandur

Gypsies were very exploited in the territory of present-day Romania; they were servants of the boyars.

Write directly - if the Romanians and Moldavians were serfs at the boyars, then the gypsies until 1864 were real slaves completely officially!
And the self-name "rum" is not from Rome, but the so-called. lambdaism plus rotacism: - and the Middle Eastern gypsies are called - "house", Armenian "scrap" (here lambdaism - transition "d" into "l", as in Odysseus / Ulysses), European - "rum" (rotacism - transition "l" in "p"; you have so even "n" in "p" goes - for example, Latin fenestra - in ferestra)

[Weyland]

Quote: ohtandur

Gypsies were very exploited in the territory of present-day Romania; they were servants of the boyars.

Write directly - if the Romanians and Moldavians were serfs at the boyars, then the gypsies until 1864 were real slaves completely officially!
And the self-name "rum" is not from Rome, but the so-called. lambdaism plus rotacism: - and the Middle Eastern gypsies are called - "house", Armenian "scrap" (here lambdaism - transition "d" into "l", as in Odysseus / Ulysses), European - "rum" (rotacism - transition "l" in "p"; you have so even "n" in "p" goes - for example, Latin fenestra - in ferestra)

[Air Force Colonel]

So it started. Soon everyone will forget this, as it were, country of great ukrov.

[maxim1987]

Well, walk Vasya! Only let Bucharest silently swallow when we finally decide to accept Transnistria

[kostya-petrov]

What happened there in Karelia?

[Pitot]

This is a big trouble. But damn it did not pile up one day? Inside the state do not care at all. And the children in this situation are the most defenseless. Loot steers. Moreover, the opportunity to get big profit. Capitalism ..... for him is the norm.

[Dr. Bormental]

What happened was that our officials responsible for the safety of tourism had to be nailed to the fence with eggs. The management of this "hotel-camp" is unambiguously guilty, but I read that parents have repeatedly written complaints to higher authorities about problems and shortcomings in organizing recreation in this camp ... there was no reaction, as you understand ...

[Pitot]

Gayropovskie hyenas. Mongrel. They rush at each other in their geyrop, like spiders in a bank. Faster would kaklyandiya died as a state, it would become quieter ....

[Dr. Bormental]

Now romals will teach Poroshenko to think

[Ros 56]

After the Donbass, the discord continues, and this is in all seriousness. Offal, your division, are you really a fool or where? We will help to clear your pockets, and then what?

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: Ros 56

Offal, your division, are you really a fool or where?

And he has nothing to lose. He knows that he has a place in hell next to Hitler, so he drinks without a break .. he is in a hurry to meet with Satan ..

[Banishing liberoids]

So the Romanians sent a bolt to the petite! And this is just the beginning of the clouds who want to leave the "kingdom of crooked mirrors" !!!

[BOB044]

So it started. Now do not stop.

[Stena]

To the collapse of Ukraine, such a message is, from my point of view, not the slightest. Who knows what yells. There are no real actions. Yes, and no one will give anything ... A throat to tear - of course you can. Here is the result only - about nothing ....

[sounddoc]

Well, are we waiting for a lot of trips to Poroshesku?

[erased]

And great all these ethnic groups divide the Russian land. Where were they in 1941-1945? Boots licked the Fritz! And before him Napoleon, before him Carl. And hell still knows to whom. Everyone wants to pinch off a piece. Alien.
Once again, one can see that there is nothing to pour the blood of their soldiers, freeing foreign lands. Either pick them up for yourself, or not touch them at all. Otherwise, there will be such garbage again.

[Koresh]

And according to the news of the central television channels, all this is ignored by us ...

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: Koresh

And according to the news of the central television channels, all this is ignored by us ...

If you mean "here" it is in Ukraine, so there is nothing surprising

[Koresh]

Now we are most struggling with domestic separatists, and perhaps such statements or requests from the population in that territory are ignored so as not to give rise to or impetus for upheavals in other regions. Perhaps the SBU will conduct some purges in such areas, so everything is hushed up.

[romex1]

Yeah, see that you are not calculated by IP and in the SBU, for stripping.

[brisk]

As they like to say here, what and how much should leave Ukraine! For them, this is a balm for the soul. Especially when the problems themselves are growing! Nothing will leave Ukraine. As well as from Romania will not go to Hungary. And from Poland to Germany. Not those times and tastes.

[your1970]

controversial, very controversial ...
In Munich (also between serious business and dinner) serious guys cut the Czech Republic into pieces, first the Sudetenland, then the remnants. And in 1945 .. and later many times .. Kosovo for example ....
So what about "Not those times and tastes" you need to be more careful - you never know ...

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: svelto

Nothing will leave Ukraine.

Crimea already, and Donbass is in the process .. or am I wrong? People are not stupid, what your leaders say on cameras is their thoughts, but an ordinary Ukrainian only had to make extra holes in his belt, Ukraine has no prospect .. that's the trouble. Europe wanted to sneeze on you, but with us you ruined your relationship to death .. such a sadness

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: svelto

Nothing will leave Ukraine.

Crimea already, and Donbass is in the process .. or am I wrong? People are not stupid, what your leaders say on cameras is their thoughts, but an ordinary Ukrainian only had to make extra holes in his belt, Ukraine has no prospect .. that's the trouble. Europe wanted to sneeze on you, but with us you ruined your relationship to death .. such a sadness

[forester]

No, dear, you solve the problem initially, having only X, negative numbers and floating variables in the source. Ukraine is just a member of this equation, and the decision will be made by others, including constant variables and actual members - Russia, Germany, the USA. It’s time for you to choose, under what yoke you find yourself again, under our Horde-cotton-Mordor-Russian, generous in essence, either under German, or under Polish, and maybe also Romanian. Or go to Canada. You do not understand nifuya, Russia and Novorossiya is essentially a fact, but everything is born in blood, and painfully. But the birth took place, and Russia will feed Little Russia and New Russia (whatever it is called). Come to Russia, listen to the opinions of ordinary working people, and you will understand that our people with heart and soul for Donetsk, Lugansk, Makeevka, for the Ukrainians and Russians whom you kill. We will liberate Kiev too, it is a Russian city! Everything is divided, all your areas and territories, the bargaining is already for the people, Russia does not want the victims that the United States needs (you, of course, by us), so we are waiting. You yourself began self-destruction, this can’t be stopped, but here you yourself, if you pick up a weapon, at least ask the person you are pointing at - what is your name, your mother and father? And in what language will they answer you? On the one that you recognized as the ancestor of all languages, even your kings cannot speak, you canceled Russian, there remains the language of violence and impunity, which is spoken by the Americans in their colonies. Well, or pshek will call you a word, which is even in printed Polish dictionaries. In Russian, cattle. Times are changing, there are no world orders, in this century Ukraine will be divided. What will we sing, have not yet died, or just pray and say - Amen?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: svelto

As they like to say here, what and how much should leave Ukraine! For them, this is a balm for the soul. Especially when the problems themselves are growing! Nothing will leave Ukraine. As well as from Romania will not go to Hungary. And from Poland to Germany. Not those times and tastes.

Do not be so self-confident)))
There was a time when no one could even imagine that the unification of the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic would happen, that the USSR would collapse, the Warsaw Pact would go into oblivion, and a number of quasi states would appear on the world map ...
Nothing is eternal.
And now, we are witnessing a reformatting of the world order, during which those countries that, for the sake of a narrow stratum of oligarchy and corrupt national elite, will trade their sovereignty, to which, among others, Ukraine are erased.
Unlike the politicians of Ukraine, the national elites of Romania, Hungary, Poland and Austria know exactly about the historical origin of the lands they claim, because they had all territorial disputes exclusively with the Russian Empire, but not with Ukraine, which is an artificial territorial education.
The most interesting thing in this situation is that by adopting a law on decommunization, Ukraine voluntarily recognized the rejection of the USSR’s heritage, i.e. refused gifts from Lenin and Stalin.
Russia is the legal successor of the USSR, and it could be the guarantor of the preservation of Ukraine within its existing borders, if what happened had not happened. It is absolutely unnecessary for us to preserve Ukraine, and it has no other defenders, there are only “partners” who are not against restoring historical justice. Moreover, this chance absolutely rolls for them, i.e. free of charge)))

[brisk]

Quote: Nyrobsky

The national elites of Romania, Hungary, Poland and Austria know exactly about the historical origin of the land

Well...? The Nazis of Poland know whose Gdansk and East Prussia? Does Austria want to become the federal state of Germany, under the Berlin administration? Do not carry nonsense. How do you feel sick to read here! Well, one stench! If you do not believe the junta propaganda, then after reading the military review you can confidently say ---- here it is with your own eyes! here is a bunch of sworn enemies of Ukraine! The Russian Federation is also an artificial formation, also ridiculous. Only you do not want to admit it, do not want to notice it for the time being ...

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Quote: svelto

How do you feel sick to read here! Well, one stench!

Comrade, why do you go here and read if this is SO disagreeable to you? It would never occur to me to register at the Ukrainian forum to explain to Ukrainians later how stupid and disgusting they are and how disagreeable they are to me. But this not only occurred to you, but also the audacity to insult the forum participants with the connivance of the administration.

[forester]

Kabzdets, the Gypsies are already wringing the territory away from the Ukrainians, some kind of camp under the roof of the "Council of the Assembly of Romanians" is giving Poroshenko ultimatums. Walk the field!

[parafoiler]

Oh, ce love!

[atamankko]

And this is the beginning of the end of the under-state.

[kolexxx]

After installing the missiles about the Romanians felt a surge of strength ... I wanted to do something! And then the hohland is at hand, it’s a little lively, its tongue has fallen out, it’s barely breathing, its eyes roll up ... Well, and ...

[sergey2017]

Quote: ohtandur

they have the right! As a Moldavian, I categorically affirm that Ukraine has territories that it must return. Only not Romania, but Moldova as the successor of the Principality of Moldova and the only independent (legally) state formation of Moldavians. We also demand the return of the illegally seized territories of Southern Bessarabia - Belgorod and Izmail, historically belonging to Moldovans like Kiliya and Chetatya Albe (White Fortress), for which we shed blood in the war with the Turks (later they were lost and renamed by the Turks), but in the Russian Empire these the territories were considered Moldavian and Khrushchev privatized them like Crimea. Ukrainians are just enchantingly lucky that we have a corrupt Moldovan elite who does not advocate for national interests, but for Romanian, European and, first of all, their own pockets. Legally, Moldavians have accumulated a lot of questions for Ukraine.

The independent Moldavian principality, which included present-day Moldova, arose in the middle of the 14th century. Despite the active resistance of Prince (Lord) Stephen III the Great (1457-1504), who won a number of major victories, Moldova was unable to resist the military power of the Ottoman Empire. Having been defeated, Moldova was forced to pay tribute; the rulers of the Ottoman Empire appointed Moldavian rulers. Moldavian lands were repeatedly devastated by foreign armies that invaded its borders. The modern division into eastern and western Moldova dates back to the very beginning of the 18th century. Part of the territory located east of the Dniester, the Ottoman Empire ceded to Russia in 1792 under the Iasi Peace Treaty. Bessarabia was annexed by Russia after the Russo-Turkish war of 1806-1812. In 1858, the western part of Moldova, together with Wallachia, formed the basis of the Romanian state.

[forester]

Romanian he, in a word. No, he's a Bulgarian. Who cares?

[ohtandur]

that's exactly it.

[brisk]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

Quote: svelto

Nothing will leave Ukraine.

Crimea already, and Donbass is in the process .. or am I wrong? People are not stupid, what your leaders say on cameras is their thoughts, but an ordinary Ukrainian only had to make extra holes in his belt, Ukraine has no prospect .. that's the trouble. Europe wanted to sneeze on you, but with us you ruined your relationship to death .. such a sadness

Well, Donbass get better not all, but 1/3 of Donbass. Occupied by a neighboring state. From the rest of your Donbass kicked out in the ass. The Crimean peninsula is a separate issue. And then Romania and Hungary to the EU and NATO. And there such unclean methods like KRYMNASH, as they like in the Russian Federation, are not accepted at present. It was you who ruined our relationship, not you and me. Stubborn you footcloths.

[forester]

Zaruby on your nose that Crimea is in fact the territory of Russia, has always been and will forever remain, and Russia will decide with the Donbass, and with 7-8 volosts. But later. But will decide. And you, svidomye like vipers, devoid of fangs and poison, waiting for cutting in the kitchen. Do you expect Uncle Sam to pour you exceptional sauce?

[brisk]

Quote: Foresterer

Crimea is actually the territory of Russia, has always been and will always be, and Russia will decide with the Donbass, and with 7-8 volosts

Old tradition, hard to believe That's when you give China their ancestral lands --- Primorye, Sakhalyan and Transbaikalia, and then we will discuss the problems of belonging to the Crimea and another "7-8 volosts" ... Another self-taught boar was found!

[forester]

We are talking about our country and about the treacherously lost territories, which, you pigs, knowing that it’s not yours and will leave you, are deliberately destroying, drinking blood. The Hague will not help you, vaguely, they will hang you on aspens. Blood always comes for blood. And about our Russian territories, the Bandera spawn, don’t worry, China is a conqueror in fairy tales, his totem is Panda, and our Bear! Yours is a pig, and that’s it.

[Amurets]

Quote: svelto

That's when you give China their ancestral lands --- Primorye, Sakhalyan and Transbaikalia

Sakhalyan, a former Manchu village, turned into the Chinese city of Hei-he, and most of Manchuria became the Chinese province of Heilundjiang.

[your1970]

"Well Donbass get better, not all, but 1/3 of Donbass. Occupied by a neighboring state. From the rest of Donbass, they kicked your ass out" -
did you see our aviation there? helicopters? tankers for at least hundreds of tanks ?? answer YOURSELF to this question and then two more: a) will Russia fight seriously without the use of mass aviation / tanks, b) will NATO stand up for non-NATO members ?

Z.Y. and one more question for appetizer: how valuable is the HOMELAND for the people - that one of the main achievements of the Maidan is the ability to dump it without visa (not really getting out yet, but everyone is trying to solve this problem).

Z.Z.Z. the answers are only for yourself ....

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: svelto

Stubborn you footcloths.

Come on without this .. already tired of dogging, can I talk to you as a person? If it becomes easier for you, I am also partly Westerner, my grandmother was from Transcarpathia. I'm just wondering what we did to you? If we forcibly took the Crimea away why then the Crimeans do not run back to you? Why didn't the DPR and LPR surrender to you that we force them into our "scoop"? We are confused ourselves, and we are to blame, right? That year, Ukrainians and Moldovans did repairs in my apartment ... excellent guys, and I poured with them, for a lifetime, I did not like you. They are not waiting for you in Europe as well as for us. When you understand that, despite all the disagreements, you and I are on the way, as always, then there will be something to talk to you about.

[isker]

Quote: svelto

As they like to say here, what and how much should leave Ukraine! For them, this is a balm for the soul. Especially when the problems themselves are growing! Nothing will leave Ukraine. As well as from Romania will not go to Hungary. And from Poland to Germany. Not those times and tastes.

Yes!
From Territory 404 - really, nothing will go anywhere, here I agree with you!
But not at all because Poproshenko has seven hollows in his head and all such an autocrat - even if he signed up for consent - the same Donbass would insert a piston for him - because there is nothing to squander the state lands near Russia’s side! the outskirts were, are and will be - under the full control of the Kremlin, no matter how the Ukrainians dodge, but they cannot pull the "main and directing" out of their dupa in life ... that's why the zlyatstsa

[masiya]

They found the authority of Dzhamilev with the Crimean Tatars, whom he himself did not fall into FIGs, with their autonomy, only the USA and POROSENKO with a bunch of renegades of the Tatar Wahhabi sense take this subhuman into account.

[ksn63]

Soon, restitution will begin soon !!! And then Kiev will remain from Ukraine, nothing more. Kharkiv region, Nikolaev, Odessa and even a bunch of it belong to Russia. Lviv-Poland. Southwest of Hungary and Austria, a bit of Romania. In Lviv, the furniture factory belongs to Zhirinovsky! What will you do with OWNERS RIGHT?

[bad]

... heh .. claims of the poor to the poor ..

[Maddog]

they all can’t share their globe))

[Evil 55]

MoldovaUkry, it sounds proudly .. Here they will dig the Moldavian sea, then Petenka will make them happy with his attention ..

[dchegrinec]

Well, if you disperse the Romanians, then you do not need to provide anything! Then the autonomy of the Gypsies, then the bombs .. we will go so far! Artists Christmas tree sticks.

[Ros 56]

Yes, what to argue with banderlog, everything has its time. Sooner or later, everything will settle down and fall into place. They will determine the place for Khokhlobanderites, and they will build normal and adequate lives for their children and will communicate with their neighbors in the language of reason.

[Vladimir]

What other autonomy do they need, a Romanian passport is probably only for the lazy one, they work of course abroad, Poroshenko was recently in Romanian, I think everyone decided.

[black]

A blue dream will come true. Ukraine will enter Europe. But piecemeal. As organs for transplantology, from fresh Zhumurik.