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Ukrainian air defense will be on the Belarusian chassis

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Ukrainian air defense will be on the Belarusian chassis


June 14 in the media leaked information about the delivery of the Minsk MZKT-6922 chassis to Ukraine. A train with transport bases for the air defense system was seen at the Ukrainian railway station Korosten, which is located fifty kilometers from the Belarusian border.

According to the author of the material, combat vehicles are delivered for the S-Tlet X-NUMX “Stilet” air defense system (a joint Belarusian-Ukrainian development) and through Ukraine follow the transit to a supposedly third-party customer.

However, one should not forget that the MZKT-6922 chassis can accommodate not only the Stilett T-38 air defense systems, but also a number of other types of weapons, such as the Osa, Buk, Tor systems and the AZ . The wheel chassis of the MZKT-6922 are, in principle, universal and may well be used to house the Ukrainian Dnepr air defense system or the Grom missile system developed by the Yuzhnoye design bureau. Moreover, the Minsk plant is a manufacturer of wheeled chassis of different classes and capacity ranges, which allows you to install on these platforms not only small and medium radar SAMs, but also long-range air defense systems.

So do not rush to draw conclusions about the destination of the chassis, especially given the deplorable state of the air defense system of Ukraine and the urgent need to modernize and update it.

To date, the Soviet army is armed with Soviet medium-range anti-aircraft missile systems C-300 of the PT or PS and Buk-M1 systems. But in spite of the fact that the service life of the air defense missile system was repeatedly extended, they are able to repel an attack only on paper. Kiev is well aware that the “anti-aircraft umbrella” is outdated and worn out, and all attempts by the Ukrainian “defense” to create a missile system solely on its own have proved to be a failure.

That is why we can assume that the universal Belarusian chassis for heavy weapons in Ukraine were not accidental and certainly not transit. In fact, the Ukrainian army expects to update its air defense system, including with the help of the Belarusian MZKT.

In addition, the close cooperation of Kiev with Minsk has already borne fruit - the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine buys MAZs for the army from Belarus and, moreover, the assembly of the army modification of MAZ in Cherkasy has begun. In addition, some analysts believe that Belarus has not only financial interest in Ukraine. About the Ukrainian roots of the Belarusian cruise missile "Stork" speak for a long time. So it is possible that with the help of our closest allies, not only anti-aircraft missile systems of various radius of action, but also ground-based cruise missiles, which can be directed against us, will soon be in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Interestingly, even in such a difficult situation, Lukashenko manages to maneuver favorably - now he has become not only a security donor in the region, but also import substitution donor for quarreled neighbors.

However, Belarus doesn’t supply Ukraine with a lethal weapon to blame its closest ally (although the Kremlin itself is actively arming Armenia’s ally and partner with Azerbaijan), and the Minsk chassis and MAZs for Kiev are only the result of forced diversification to which of our military industrial complex to adjust the entire production cycle of similar MZKT bases at home, thereby leaving the closest ally without a piece of our state defense order. But who is doing worse? Removing Belarus from our market, we force it to look for new partners. With this approach, if Ukraine makes a more profitable offer for Belarus, we risk leaving our nuclear shield without wheels. It may be enough to look for traitors among its allies, or even lose them.
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 18 June 2016 05: 53
    +13
    Nimble shots everywhere managed. Lukoshenko wants for everyone to be his boyfriend.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 18 June 2016 06: 20
      +52
      I once wrote here a long time ago that But father doesn’t need to start arming the junta, and it stops him, only the client’s limited solvency. So I got a bunch of reproaches from Belarusian colleagues, they say, yes you, that, never ...
      Nnnate to you! Eat ... laughing
      Well, what, that tractors do not shoot? Dashing trouble began, as they say. Now everything will work out with ammunition, and hundreds of tons of iron will sprinkle on the heads of the inhabitants of Donnbass.
      Comrades Belarusian colleagues, congratulations on your involvement! crying
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 18 June 2016 06: 28
        +9
        BAZ currently has its own design bureau and produces a chassis for 4, 5, 6 axles. Those. can already do (including development) everything except the chassis for strategic missiles. I think if there is an order, then such a chassis will appear. But Father father somehow inappropriately stated that the Russians have no brains to be able to do the same as the MZKT (approximately, from memory). It goes around.
        I would sell the father’s MAZ (MZKT) to Russia, if the enterprise had a large volume of orders and, accordingly, a large tax would be paid to the budget of Belarus. And so it will not be, and runs into trying to get pennies from the Ukrainians.
        1. VIT101
          VIT101 18 June 2016 07: 25
          +15
          Quote: Nikolay S.

          I would sell the father’s MAZ (MZKT) to Russia, if the enterprise had a large volume of orders and, accordingly, a large tax would be paid to the budget of Belarus.


          Read more carefully the article: "... Minsk chassis and MAZs for Kiev are only the result of forced diversification, which led to the intentions of our military-industrial complex to establish the entire production cycle of similar bases of the MZKT at home, thereby leaving the closest ally without a piece of our state defense order."
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 18 June 2016 09: 05
            +11
            Quote: VIT101
            Minsk chassis and MAZs for Kiev are just the result of forced diversification, which led to the intention of our defense industry to organize the entire production cycle of similar MZKT bases at home, thereby leaving the closest ally without a piece of our state defense order


            Well, everything is correct. Wheeled chassis for RK "Yars" - must be made in Russia. Russia cannot depend on anyone for the supply of such equipment.

            We have our own factories where we work - Russian citizens. Why should we give government orders to Belarus? In order for our factories to stand idle and eventually go bankrupt, and some Russian citizens turned out on the street, looking for work?
            I personally, sympathize with the Belarusians in the loss of our contracts, but I repeat once again - Russia cannot depend on the supply of military equipment of this class, from anyone else. This is a state security issue for Russia.
            1. Thrall
              Thrall 18 June 2016 09: 51
              +3
              "News" taken from ukroSMI. Nobody canceled transit through the Ukrainian ports of Belarus. Those who want to mock one of the few allies of Russia can continue their cruel jokes on Lukashenka ...
              I don’t understand why so quickly retype left stuffing?
              1. Darkmor
                Darkmor 18 June 2016 10: 04
                +9
                Bullshit and not an article.
                Firstly, it’s clearly said that the chassis is transported by a teaser to a third-party customer. If they were transported to (to) Ukraine, the Ukrainians themselves would have trumpeted another breakthrough - all the more so since Belarusians do not violate anything.
                Secondly, it is now pointless to change platforms for its air defense systems for Ukraine. They, damn it, cut "arrows" from the mtlb in order to weld there cassettes from helicopter NURS - they do not need modernized air defense systems in principle - there is no one from anyone.
                Thirdly - in Ukraine there is no money for such modernization - it means the Old Man comes and delivers everything on credit, his problems, how he will then repay this loan.
                Fourth ... yes, even if they change the chassis, what do we need? Let them change.
                This applies to Ukraine.

                Now nonsense concerning Ukraine and Belarus.
                Ukraine will become the Russian market deputy for MZKT? Thanks, laughed.
                Will they buy wheeled tractors for the ICBM? Ukraine will never buy anything - it can only beg or demand a loan, and it is better to be paid extra for this. And I doubt that in the next 10-20 years the situation will change.
                If the MZKT manages to earn something in this country, I will only be glad, honestly. But I just don’t see a way to get money here - only hemorrhoids with knocking out debts.

                That's the result - the whole article is based on one photograph and one rumor - and everything is inflated to the level of an elephant.
                1. derik1970
                  derik1970 18 June 2016 22: 44
                  -1
                  There is nothing funny. Talking about the fact that deliveries in transit can be arbitrarily. Who told you that Ukraine will not buy anything, who personally said that to you, TV? Believe him! Covert operations always disguise as something secondary. At the time of Yeltsin, tanks were sold to us under the guise of scrap metal over a hill, something was intercepted and something was gone, there was a report on television back in those glorious times ...
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              1. Thrall
                Thrall 18 June 2016 10: 10
                +4
                A tweet with this fake has been hanging since June 13th. Almost no Ukrainian media were bought for it. And in the comments, even the Ukrainians themselves very weakly believe in this stuffing.
            3. My doctor
              My doctor 18 June 2016 11: 25
              0
              Quote: wanderer_032
              We have our own factories where we work - Russian citizens. Why should we give government orders to Belarus?

              You don't owe anyone anything, and no one owes you anything. Why then cheat yourself when other countries are acting in their own interests? How did it happen that the Americans benefit from cooperation in the military-industrial complex with all their allies (satellites, if you like), while in Russia the opposite is true? Why do you have the number of external opponents can only be compared with the number of internal enemies? You can then ask more than a hundred different questions, the answer to which will be one - "for that there are only PICADORAS around."
              1. wanderer_032
                wanderer_032 18 June 2016 11: 47
                0
                Quote: MyVrach
                You do not owe anything to anyone, and no one owes you anything.


                That's right. And Russia did not start first.
            4. Verdun
              Verdun 18 June 2016 12: 20
              +1
              Quote: wanderer_032
              We have our own factories where we work - Russian citizens. Why should we give government orders to Belarus?

              Russia has no factories producing competitive equipment in this niche. Just as there is no production of mining dump trucks of the "BelAZ" type. At the same time, we are not ashamed to buy Pratt-Whitney engines for our aircraft and we are in no hurry to give Lukashenka an oil field in exchange for the plant. The leaders of even friendly countries are obliged to act in the interests of their own economy, and not to raise the economy of others. And if Ukraine is ready to take off her underwear in order to share pennies with Belarus, why shouldn't Belarus take advantage of this circumstance?
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        2. populist
          populist 18 June 2016 08: 54
          +3
          Nicholas C.
          But Father father somehow inappropriately stated that the Russians have no brains to be able to do the same as the MZKT (approximately, from memory). It goes around.

          Already comes in another direction. Transneft announced a reduction in oil supplies by 5 mln tons.http: //ria.ru/economy/20160616/1448813845.html Old Man specifically got the Kremlin.
          1. Woland
            Woland 18 June 2016 09: 12
            +5
            And what the hell to us this so-called "batska"? In which case, this Judas will sell us immediately. and not expensive. Yes, he himself publicly said it, "we will never go to war with anyone else for" someone "Ie-guys, do not count on me. With such an ally, no enemies are needed .And he sits in his chair only thanks to our money And as soon as you stop feeding him, the people themselves will quickly throw him off. What a chieftain he is without a gold reserve. With his tacit consent in Belarus, the nationalists raised their heads and the day is not far when they finally will turn their people against Russia. ”Already now they are supported by about half And there will be a new Hohland.
            1. Lex.
              Lex. 18 June 2016 16: 45
              +6
              And what the hell to us this so-called "batska"? In which case this Judas will sell us
              This Judas left a hymn and a flag from the USSR, unlike Russia, and in general the United States feeds NATO by 80%; supplies weapons for darm; probably Lukashenko chose the wrong basket in '94
              1. lesnik1978
                lesnik1978 18 June 2016 17: 46
                +3
                Not certainly in that way. He removed the hammer and sickle from the flag!
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        3. Lex.
          Lex. 18 June 2016 16: 40
          +3
          BAZ currently has its own design bureau and produces a chassis for 4, 5, 6 axles. Those. can already do (including development)
          Is it possible that 60% of the components from the same plant are supplied
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 18 June 2016 17: 33
            +1
            BAZ currently has its own design bureau and produces a chassis for 4, 5, 6 axles.
            I can introduce you to the comments on the BAZ.
            and I also want to note that the gene is the director of an alcoholic who just simply drinks the plant. Imagine 10 deputies, he takes to work with salaries above 100 rubles, and to take an ordinary worker with a salary of 000, he says Moscow does not miss. bosses have such a feeling more than workers and everyone is rowing big money, but the sense is from them from the bosses 14%. A janitor to put the director in the sense would be as much, or even more.
            or more:
            It would be better to write under what conditions they collect this technique. how do you pay zp In what condition is the equipment on which spare parts are made, and where does all the revenue from hundreds of these machines produced per year disappear. I’ve been working at this plant for a year now and alas, not even a single ... even a little machine for at least the year 2000. But the workshop is generally the top of modernization, especially in winter, bonfires that burn along the workshops, and it is better to keep silent during rain .
            If voiced by people you like, then you can continue to continue to blame Lukashenko.
      2. Good_Taxist
        Good_Taxist 18 June 2016 07: 27
        +4
        Yes bastard OH feeding on our hands !!!!
      3. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 18 June 2016 07: 38
        +13
        Article minus. I mean the statement that it was not necessary to push the Belarusians out of our market. But it was necessary to push out! As for the defense of the country, it should be done only with us!
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      5. gur4enk
        gur4enk 18 June 2016 12: 09
        +3
        Have you already celebrated your involvement?
      6. Lex.
        Lex. 18 June 2016 16: 39
        +3
        Well, what, that tractors do not shoot? Dashing trouble began, as they say. Now everything will work out with ammunition, and hundreds of tons of iron will sprinkle on the heads of Donnbass residents. Well, and what, tractors, do not shoot? Dashing trouble began, as they say. Now everything will work out with ammunition, and hundreds of tons of iron will sprinkle on the heads of Donnbass residents
        Well, Russia supplies weapons to Azerbaijan and this weapon kills the inhabitants of Nagorno-Karabakh
      7. Franciscan
        Franciscan 18 June 2016 17: 38
        +4
        Well, the Kremlin comrade is also involved. 2 times he saved the junta from defeat with his Minsk. that's who you need to thank first.
      8. derik1970
        derik1970 18 June 2016 22: 28
        -2
        I completely agree with you. I believe that Belarus has betrayed Russia, it supports the fascist junta. For them, it would not be difficult to supply rocket weapons or appropriate technologies for Kiev, for example, as spare parts for cars. They will also be proud of it, and somewhere the planes will fall. I join in your congratulations such as Belarusian colleagues with involvement. Now Belarusian cars will participate in the war against Russia, respectively, NATO will help the same. Yes, actually in this way Belarus is already fighting against Russia, no matter how strange it is, but we give them money and discounts on oil from which gasoline for Ukrainians again ...
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 18 June 2016 07: 06
      +3
      Quote: Teberii
      Nimble shots everywhere managed. Lukoshenko wants for everyone to be his boyfriend.

      Playing independence! He wants to sit on all the chairs at once!
    3. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 18 June 2016 07: 31
      +3
      Quote: Teberii
      Lukoshenko wants for everyone to be his boyfriend.

      Andrey, we may not understand the sofa, but But Father is great! I, too, do not like a lot of things, I just gasp from some things, but there is neither time nor desire to go to ride "Maidans"!
      1. CORNET
        CORNET 18 June 2016 07: 58
        -1
        Well, Old Man, well, the cunning fox .... He says one thing and does the other (the collective farm bazaar spread on sanctions ..) Or is he just afraid?
        1. anfil
          anfil 18 June 2016 08: 19
          +1
          Quote: CORNET
          Well, Old Man, well, the cunning fox .... He says one thing and does the other (the collective farm bazaar spread on sanctions ..) Or is he just afraid?


          I wonder if this cunning 404 prepaid product delivers and or believes in the "honesty" of customers?
        2. VIT101
          VIT101 18 June 2016 15: 38
          +1
          Quote: CORNET
          Well, Old Man, well, the cunning fox .... He says one thing and does the other (the collective farm bazaar spread on sanctions ..) Or is he just afraid?


          It's just that the dad has a head on his shoulders and a complete lack of minerals in the form of gas, oil and other ways to replenish the budget. And if he does not spin, then the Belarusian Maydan will come to power. And such sentiments in part of the population, and considerable, in Belarus there. Instantly Belarus will receive an offer to join the European Union and then NATO. And then, when the American missile defense appears near Smolensk, we in Russia combed our turnips, who is to blame, and how could we allow this. And those who criticize the Old Man in their comments do not calculate the situation beyond their nose.
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 18 June 2016 08: 05
        +1
        Quote: Nikoha.2010
        Quote: Teberii
        Lukoshenko wants for everyone to be his boyfriend.

        Andrey, we may not understand the sofa, but But Father is great! I, too, do not like a lot of things, I just gasp from some things, but there is neither time nor desire to go to ride "Maidans"!

        It may not be understood, but why, for the sake of the Old Man, I can’t get it differently: they killed the Vladimir and Lipetsk tractor plants, the KZKT analogue of the MKZKT, other plants that have understudies in Belarus? But factories of the Republic of Belarus are located near the border and if Destruction of the Russian factories required strategic weapons, because of their remoteness, the factories of the Republic of Belarus can be destroyed by tactical weapons. What can I not understand? And the fact that the Old Man is selling the chassis for missile carriers is a business and nothing personal. In principle, the S-300PS or S-300PT were put on KrAZ. And KrAZ works and produces products. http://wroom.ru/cars/kraz
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 18 June 2016 21: 07
          +1
          Quote: Amurets
          But why, for the sake of the Old Man, I can’t understand otherwise, did they destroy the Vladimir and Lipetsk tractor plants, the KZKT analogue of the MZKT, and other plants that have understudies in Belarus?

          Why exactly to please the father? These factories were simply ruined. Just like AZLK, ZIL, textile enterprises of the Ivanovo region and much more. Think for yourself how things are, even if the benefits from the production of vodka are in question and the Moscow plant "Crystal" is being rebuilt into lofts, reducing production and moving it somewhere to the outskirts.
      3. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 18 June 2016 08: 24
        +1
        Certainly well done! Go to Belarus, Look at the cleanliness and order, the absence of traffic jams and intrusive advertising ..
        1. 25ru
          25ru 18 June 2016 08: 44
          +5
          Quote: dmi.pris
          Certainly well done! Go to Belarus, Look at the cleanliness and order, the absence of traffic jams and intrusive advertising ..

          I’ll not say for all of Belarus, for Minsk, Gomel, Smorgon (they say both through a and through about and so on) and Molodechno, well, and Vileyka - I will subscribe.
          The fourth time I watched the passage of the presidential motorcade along Masherov. 10 minutes to cover is all. Cleanliness - the eye hurts. Well and well-known: to provide all students with work for the summer, it is carried out.
        2. Nikoha.2010
          Nikoha.2010 18 June 2016 08: 50
          +5
          Quote: dmi.pris
          Certainly well done! Go to Belarus, Look at the cleanliness and order, the absence of traffic jams and intrusive advertising ..

          Dmitry! hi We went, we know! Putin simply cannot stupidly from Moscow understand that there is Russia beyond the Urals, and not wells!
    4. Juborg
      Juborg 18 June 2016 10: 51
      +1
      And the article is like an order. Not analysts, or anything, one statement. It’s not a word that Belarus has practically stopped supplying the chassis, demanding a higher price despite the signed agreements, moreover, it has openly stated that it is not going to meet the delivery dates. Russia has no choice but to leave their market. And about the more advantageous offers from the Ukrainian side, don’t tell the people the author, you are not a clown, unless of course from the Ukrainian side.
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 18 June 2016 11: 57
        +3
        Quote: juborg
        Not a word about the fact that Belarus has practically stopped supplying the chassis, demanding a higher price despite the signed agreements


        It was so. I recall. Since this all started.

        http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1771984.html?thread=171577552

        http://ria.ru/sg/20160421/1416304667.html

        http://vpk.name/library/r/mzkt+volk/
  2. Revolver
    Revolver 18 June 2016 06: 02
    +5
    In this case, there is nothing to be afraid of. Novorossiya simply has no targets for the air defense system, from the word "absolutely". It is an expensive pleasure to shoot missiles at reconnaissance copters, and it is not painful to shoot at ground targets from an air defense system. And the Russian Federation, no matter how much Ukraine tried to make war with it, somehow it did not come to war, and is unlikely to appear in the foreseeable future. Unless the squadron of the Buryat armored cavalry will send a couple more.
    Well, the truth can still fill up the passenger side. I wonder if there are still idiots flying in the corridor in which the Malays were overwhelmed?
  3. Dezinto
    Dezinto 18 June 2016 06: 03
    +8
    damn dad is getting steeper and steeper behaving ... request

    Does he want to sit on four chairs? Why not five? And then it will be - "Stop"?
    1. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 18 June 2016 06: 12
      +3
      Quote: DEZINTO
      damn dad is getting steeper and dumber

      Kolya hi Hello! Everything is different there. I have a bunch of Belarusians friends! Everything is chyky-chyryk! There, a broken harvester starts to work when they hear the noise of the pinwheel of the president! But seriously, Belarus could explode worse than dill, but But father did well!
      drinks
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 18 June 2016 09: 23
        +4
        Quote: Nikoha.2010
        Belarus could explode worse than dill

        Sorry, but you just said nonsense .. That's what Belarus did with maidanutyh guest performers from Femen before the Guinness Revolution in Ukraine. They shave, paint and let go for a walk in the forest.
    2. Motherland Russia
      Motherland Russia 18 June 2016 06: 21
      +8
      No wonder ...
      He always has cookies in his pocket ...
      1. Nikoha.2010
        Nikoha.2010 18 June 2016 06: 30
        +6
        Quote: Motherland Russia
        No wonder ...
        He always has cookies in his pocket ...

        Two cookies, one of them is Russia! Sorry, I don’t see your name, I agree completely! Plus I can’t deliver, I was banned without correspondence for a mat! negative
        1. family tree
          family tree 18 June 2016 08: 16
          +1
          Quote: Nikoha.2010
          for the mat!

          Seryoga, this is a toast! drinks For the future, bend the censorship matyugi, at five your copper!
  4. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 18 June 2016 06: 17
    +3
    You need to look for a dog that rummaged! Lukashenko will not be without an advance payment or the presence of a serious guarantee that he will export something. Ukraine today is not solvent, to lend, it is more expensive to itself - they will never give it back. I admit that the chassis falls under dual-use products and delivery is carried out privately by direct agreement of the two enterprises.
  5. Brigadier
    Brigadier 18 June 2016 06: 18
    +4
    With such an "ally" as Lukashenka, you must constantly keep your eyes open and in no case let him go from behind, because it is fraught! am
  6. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 18 June 2016 06: 27
    +3
    So, not far off the new downed Boeing and Airbus, only Lukashenko will never wash himself of this blood!
    1. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 18 June 2016 06: 41
      0
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      So, not far off the new downed Boeing and Airbus, only Lukashenko will never wash himself of this blood!

      But father sits on two chairs, it is genetically laid! IMHO! Here it is not necessary to catch up! We have already been surrounded. Europe is crazy. Enough is enough. Post earlier, NATO needs to justify the loot, that’s aggro. Well, who will go against us now? Beats, yes, fuck us! Dill has already defeated everyone. USA is not so stupid! Money decides everything with them! Come on, bang, and then what?
    2. Eragon
      Eragon 18 June 2016 08: 27
      +3
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      So, not far off the new downed Boeing and Airbus, only Lukashenko will never wash himself of this blood!

      Well finished ... Is that a tractor pulled into an airplane? Or a Soviet-made rocket, to maintain the combat readiness of which until recently, for the most part, Russian components were used?
  7. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 18 June 2016 06: 31
    +3
    After all, Ukrainians are going to switch to NATO standards, and for this it is necessary to rebuild all the factories. It seems to me that Ukrainians will simply be obliged to buy weapons in mattresses.
    1. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 18 June 2016 07: 26
      +1
      Quote: Alexander 3
      Ukrainians are going to switch to NATO

      Sasha, they need to step over themselves, I don’t know more words!
  8. midashko
    midashko 18 June 2016 06: 34
    +4
    Now Old Man will receive numerous requirements for discounts on his products ...
  9. Warm Padded Jacket
    Warm Padded Jacket 18 June 2016 06: 55
    +5
    as always, put on it what kind of thread palette, go around with nets from beds or fences from the cemetery, and that’s all ... the latest Great Ukrainian development is ready)))
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 June 2016 07: 05
    +4
    Quote: Observer 33
    Nnnate to you! Eat ...

    I completely agree with you. When he wrote that Lukoshenko is too cunning and grazes on all the "lawns", he also received a lot of disadvantages, mainly from visitors under the flag of this country. But this is not the first time, he supplied the junta with cars in the midst of the fighting, and what other agreements he and Poroshenko have probably only our leadership knows. But when he comes to Moscow he tries to kiss the GDP, which categorically does not accept this (kissing). I wonder how true Belarusians will react to this information?
  11. 25ru
    25ru 18 June 2016 07: 08
    +2
    In general, the last paragraph of the article is enough. When I visit Minsk, I watch Belarusian TV. It is difficult for the old man to refuse consistent actions for the benefit of his state, and not of mythical allies and partners. And I remember this: "... We do not have inexhaustible resources, like a great neighbor. We must rely on industry and self-sufficiency in agriculture ...". Not quite literally, but the meaning is this.
  12. Barakuda
    Barakuda 18 June 2016 07: 12
    +6
    Yes, nothing to put! Remains s-300, from three to one. Imagine. I finished, and it was already glued together. And that was 20 years ago, which is now .. Ukraine’s air defense is one name. And there are no engineers left, the USSR school. What they invent there, one ho.hlyats.komu God knows.
  13. boris-1230
    boris-1230 18 June 2016 07: 15
    +9
    With this approach, if Ukraine makes a more advantageous commercial offer to Belarus, we risk leaving our nuclear shield without wheels. It may be enough to look for traitors among their allies, or we’ll even lose these.

    Do we need such an ally? Which, receiving oil and gas from us at bargain prices, trades in petroleum products with a hostile country against us, supplies a chassis for military equipment for this country hostile to us, which in the near future may be turned against us. Russian world should not include scammers, traitors and "businessmen" (business is nothing personal). And Cain's seal has been hanging on the old man for a long time. He trades in alliance, honor and loyalty, as in a bazaar - whoever offers more, that I am an ally. And Muscovites should constantly give discounts, otherwise the EU will be friends. For me he "rat"! And the Belarusians are good people, they only got the "wrong" dad - a collective farmer. You can't stay in power for so many years - dictatorial habits wake up. Only maybe soon Janeka will have to run along the beaten path! negative hi
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  14. Moore
    Moore 18 June 2016 07: 17
    +10
    But who do worse? By expelling Belarus from our market, we are forcing it to seek new partners.

    Well, for yourself - it’s definitely not worse. Making yourself a hostage to a capricious economic hit is not the best way of military construction.
    Are we few examples of ship engines and helicopter engines?
  15. sl22277
    sl22277 18 June 2016 07: 21
    +8
    One can endlessly discuss the pros and cons of such cooperation. The extremely consumer attitude towards the Russian Federation is shown by the leadership of the fraternal republic, headed by the unchanging Alexander Lukashenko.
    But there is only one conclusion: the military-industrial complex of Russia cannot depend on the hypocritical ally in Minsk.
  16. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 18 June 2016 07: 23
    +4
    Quote: Alexander 3
    After all, Ukrainians are going to switch to NATO standards, and for this it is necessary to rebuild all the factories. It seems to me that Ukrainians will simply be obliged to buy weapons in mattresses.

    You are not right. For the current war, the United States will arm Ukraine only with Soviet-developed weapons in order to show the whole world that they have nothing to do with it. And for the future ... Ukraine has no future. They ask him whether ***.
  17. 454545
    454545 18 June 2016 07: 30
    +5
    it is necessary in Russia to develop the construction of tractors and not to close factories
    1. family tree
      family tree 18 June 2016 08: 29
      +1
      Machine tool construction should be developed, then the tractors will be. Survived, Lada more imported than St. Petersburg Hyundai
  18. wild
    wild 18 June 2016 07: 32
    +3
    But actually, have you somehow forgotten about the supply of diesel fuel from Russia to Dill for APU ?? And supplies of KAMAZ ??? To whom the war is and to whom the mother is close, they sneezed on the DNI and LC from a high bell tower, business, his mother and them.
  19. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 June 2016 08: 10
    +8
    By expelling Belarus from our market, we are forcing it to seek new partners.

    If they had new partners in the future, Lukashenko would not swear his love for Russia every time he visited. Tellingly, he says one thing when he arrives in Moscow. It is clear that it is not handy for Russia to lose an "ally", but there must be some measure in the behavior of the Belarusian president. When both yours and ours, but at the same time to the west on the half-bent, and Russia's claims for the gas price (we are a buffer between NATO and Russia), then I'm sorry, but this characterizes the human qualities of this leader.
  20. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 18 June 2016 08: 20
    -3
    Only business. Nothing personal.
  21. 7race
    7race 18 June 2016 08: 31
    +3
    "Affectionate child of two queens sucks"
    Well, or "nothing personal, just business" (c)
    Everyone earns currency as best he can, the most important uncle in the country, Vova himself, said that we live under capitalism. So everything is normal, we disagree comrades.
    1. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 18 June 2016 08: 52
      +1
      Eh pumps))
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 19 June 2016 03: 48
      0
      Well, of course, business. And this businessman, how will he react to the idea, to pay the full market value for the delivered S - 300?
      I think, not really.
  22. Ivan Ivanych
    Ivan Ivanych 18 June 2016 08: 51
    +2
    "Nothing personal, just business" ... It would be necessary to start building relations with the "dad" on such conditions, otherwise the coast has beguiled
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  24. masiya
    masiya 18 June 2016 09: 24
    +3
    The trend is unpleasant and promising little for us ...
  25. Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 June 2016 09: 52
    +2
    The news is not surprised. Old Man supplies fuel to us, receiving cheap oil from us. True, I read the news the other day that a quota for cheap oil would be covered for him.
    Because he doesn’t deliver fuel to Russia, and a rather sickly debt looms for gas.
    That is, we still have to fight alone, without allies.
  26. Chak
    Chak 18 June 2016 09: 53
    +2
    Once I already wrote that Father wants to sit on two chairs, but only from such a raskoryachka the seat can crack ... One "hatman" also tried to dodge like that, now in Rostov "6 acres" spud ...
  27. Venenedim
    Venenedim 18 June 2016 09: 54
    -1
    Guys, why don’t you be indignant that Russia sells fuel to Ukraine. After all, it can be used to refuel military equipment. Lukashenko is looking for opportunities to sell his products, Russia does not buy his mazs, protecting Kamaz. What does he have to do?
    First, let Russia deal with its politics and its oligarchs, otherwise the words are spoken alone, but they act differently.
  28. corporal
    corporal 18 June 2016 10: 01
    -5
    Well put the tractors, why panic then? In order to install something on them, it is necessary to produce something, but they do not have such a production.
    And yes, the factory workers producing these tractors also need to be fed, but with what? If we stopped exporting.
    IMHO - nefig Belarusians offended, everyone spins as best he can.
  29. Evil 55
    Evil 55 18 June 2016 10: 48
    -1
    The MZKT does good shassiki .. Why not sell UKRAINE .. The new equipment of New Russia is clearly needed ..
  30. vnord
    vnord 18 June 2016 11: 11
    -1
    And why run into the Old Man, yesterday on RBC there was news Lukoil resumed deliveries of diesel fuel to Ukraine and where is the outrage and discontent of the masses ????
  31. kvv1969
    kvv1969 18 June 2016 11: 53
    +1
    Key phrase of the article: "That is why it can be assumed"
  32. grau
    grau 18 June 2016 15: 49
    +6
    From the beginning lies the devil’s ass and then climbs kissing the real bow of God
    1. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 18 June 2016 17: 03
      0
      Deep thought! laughing
  33. Venenedim
    Venenedim 18 June 2016 16: 27
    +6
    So Lukashenko is no different from the RUSSIAN leadership, because your government behaves as I do, all of you have partners, you cooperate with all. What prevents the ban on the sale of titanium to countries that have announced sanctions, or other rare earth metals. After all, it will immediately be put on the shoulder blades of the aviation industry of rivals. But you are partners, you need to earn money. Lukashenko is not an ideal, but you should not blame him, if everything is not normal at the top in your state.
    Ps. And whoever says anything, ALL Luke’s children live in Belarus, and do not travel abroad
    1. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 18 June 2016 17: 05
      +2
      The fact is that your tractors will carry missiles, which may fly in you. What's not clear?)
  34. Venenedim
    Venenedim 18 June 2016 16: 47
    +1
    Send minus, but no one has denied a single fact. Do not you find it two-faced gentlemen minus signers.
  35. The legacy of ancestors
    The legacy of ancestors 18 June 2016 17: 26
    +3
    Quote: dmi.pris
    Certainly well done! Go to Belarus, Look at the cleanliness and order, the absence of traffic jams and intrusive advertising ..


    As well as the poverty of the people and total depression and intimidation.
    1. VIT101
      VIT101 18 June 2016 21: 46
      +1
      Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors


      As well as the poverty of the people and total depression and intimidation.


      Some people have pluses and minuses in their heads - a vacuum. They put this plus, and judging by his syllable, he is just one of those who want to deploy Belarus to the west. According to his logic, then the same can be said about Russia.
  36. The legacy of ancestors
    The legacy of ancestors 20 June 2016 03: 30
    0
    Quote: VIT101
    Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors


    As well as the poverty of the people and total depression and intimidation.


    Some people have pluses and minuses in their heads - a vacuum. They put this plus, and judging by his syllable, he is just one of those who want to deploy Belarus to the west. According to his logic, then the same can be said about Russia.


    Yeah, and if it’s not like your leader, your beloved decided, it means immediately to the west.