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R'RЅСѓС‚ренние РІРѕР№СЃРєР ° РїРµРЂРЂРЃСЃСЏРґСѓС ‚РЅР °" Медведь "СЃ устР° СЂРµРІС € РёС ... Р'РўРўРIn the near future, it is planned to replace a significant part of the BTR park of internal troops with new specials. police cars SPM-3 "Bear". D. Galkin, General Director of Military Industrial Company (MIC), spoke about this in an interview with RIA.News".


The CEO noted that at the moment it is not clear how many "Bears" will make an order. Galkin, however, stressed that a certain number of armored personnel carriers would still remain in service with this kind of troops, since it was the combination of the BTR and SPM-3 that would allow the command to solve operational and combat tasks.

SPM-3 "Bear" is an armored vehicle with enhanced mine protection. This vehicle was developed by order of the command of the internal troops included in the military-industrial complex "Military Engineering Center" in conjunction with the specialists of the wheeled machinery department of the Moscow State Technical University named after Bauman. The Bear provides protection against the damaging factors of explosive devices under the wheel and under the bottom with a capacity of up to 7 kilograms of TNT and ballistic protection.

SPM-3 can be used as a vehicle and operational service vehicle during counter-terrorism actions, the performance of territorial defense tasks, as well as operations to curb riots.

Dmitry Galkin earlier noted that when creating the “Medved”, two main factors were taken into account and successfully implemented - a new car can move along public roads and not scare the population with its militarized views. According to the calculations of the military-industrial complex, the Russian police will begin deliveries from the 2013.

In addition to the Bears, the main manufacturer of armored vehicles for the military-industrial complex also produces other light wheeled vehicles of this class - the BTR-82A, BTR-80 and armored vehicles "Tiger".

BTR-82A also bet

Dmitry Galkin did not rule out that in some of the districts of the Internal Troops the existing infantry fighting vehicles (BMP-2) will be replaced by new armored personnel carriers BTR-82А. The undoubted advantage of this machine over the BMP is their ability to move along public roads.

This year, the army has already received new BTR-82A. The data tower of armored vehicles, in contrast to the old BTR-80 model, is equipped with an electronic guidance system, which significantly improves the accuracy of shooting. The machine can now accurately shoot at full speed. Also, the BTR-82А is equipped with a more powerful engine having horsepower 300.

Recall the refusal of the Ministry of Defense of the new BTR-90 became known in the fall. Great hopes were placed on these machines, and enormous budget funds were spent on their development. As Dmitry Galkin explained to RIA Novosti, the main reason for this decision was the changing views on the methods of warfare. As a result, new requirements have been put forward for this class of combat vehicles.

The development of the BTR-90 was carried out by the Arzamas engineering plant, part of the "MIC". Earlier, Sergei Suvorov, a representative of the military industrial complex, reported that the main claim of the Ministry to the BTR-90 was the impossibility of going out to the stern of the landing force.

However, the MIC notes that, in spite of everything, the money spent on the BTR-90 was not in vain. When creating this car, the company tested innovations that were not previously used to create light armored vehicles. This provides the prerequisites for creating the newest machines of this class.

In the military industrial complex, a unified armored platform is being developed.

In an interview with RIA Novosti, D. Galkin said that, on the instructions of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the military industrial complex is working on developing a wheel unified armored platform for a family of vehicles. "This is not one particular car, but there will be a whole line, a family of cars, different in their purpose, on one universal base," he said.

The CEO, saying that the work is being carried out according to the schedule, refused to report at what stage they are, due to the secrecy of this information.

The development of a new medium-type combat platform (armored personnel carrier), called the Boomerang, was announced at the beginning of October by Lieutenant Colonel Sergey Vlasov, the official representative of the Ground Forces.

The Ministry of Defense with the "military industrial complex" in the framework of the state defense contract has already concluded

In the "MIC", the interest of the Ministry of Defense in cooperation with the company is noted especially. According to Dmitry Galkin to RIA Novosti, the military department has already concluded treaties with the MIC in the framework of the state defense order, 2012.

Earlier, Anatoly Serdyukov, the head of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, said that most of the contracts in the framework of the state defense order for 2012 by the military department would be concluded this year. On specific amounts and terms of contracts CEO did not apply. Other power structures of Russia, he said, have not yet decided. They are holding tenders.

It should be noted that in the current year, the Ministry of Defense with agreements in the framework of the GOZ pulled to the last. The military department fought furiously with the military-industrial complex for lowering the cost of production. Only after the intervention of the government and the prime minister was the situation finally resolved. The last major agreements on submarines of the Yasen and Borey type were signed in Severodvinsk on November 9 in the presence of V. Putin.

Speaking about this problem, Galkin noted that the issue of pricing for military products is still open. The main reason for this, he said, is that the Ministry of Defense agrees on the final cost only with the parent manufacturer.

In this case, component suppliers may increase the cost of products while maintaining the price of the final product. Of course, the leading manufacturer to deliver products to the customer at previously approved prices becomes unprofitable, Galkin explained. The way out of this situation is the approval of the cost of components of the second and third orders.
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 28 December 2011 08: 59
    +5
    Going to the bears, interesting! It is difficult to say either what comes of it, time will tell.
    1. wall
      wall 29 December 2011 20: 12
      0
      Somewhere 4 years ago, the Kremlin switched to a bear.
  2. Nova
    Nova 28 December 2011 09: 45
    +5
    Is the "Bear" better armor than the armored personnel carrier?
    1. Gurza
      Gurza 28 December 2011 10: 19
      +1
      Is the "Bear" better armor than the armored personnel carrier?

      If I'm not mistaken, the armor of the BTR80 is flashed with the caliber 7.62x39. if I'm wrong correct me.
      I think the Bear will show himself positively. The machine is new, after all. But I still like the sleeve better!
      1. Kaetani
        Kaetani 28 December 2011 11: 11
        +4
        No, you are not mistaken. 7-62 punches 80 for sure if the rebound does not work. PCMS if it works under armor is a terrible feeling.
        1. PLO
          PLO 28 December 2011 12: 28
          0
          you are mistaken

          PCMS and SVD use a 7.62x54 rifle cartridge, and 7.62x39 is an intermediate cartridge for various AK rifles

          and I didn’t hear Kalash penetrate the APC, although I didn’t check it myself
    2. injener
      injener 28 December 2011 12: 43
      +6
      The main thing in this unit is that it is able to withstand the operation of mines and landmines, the special design of the bottom helps to scatter the blast wave. But in terms of capacity and firepower, it cannot be compared with the "eighty", especially the modernized one.
  3. swat2238
    swat2238 28 December 2011 10: 06
    +6
    They write off the APCs early. In my opinion, the "Bear" is higher than the APC by an order of magnitude, which makes it more noticeable, and 4 wheels, in the APC - 8.
  4. dred
    dred 28 December 2011 10: 40
    +2
    Quote: GurZa
    If I'm not mistaken, the armor of the BTR80 is flashed with the caliber 7.62x39. if I'm wrong correct me.
    I think the Bear will show himself positively. The machine is new, after all. But I still like the sleeve better!

    As a rule, from Kalash BTR80 do not flash at least dshk.
    1. PLO
      PLO 28 December 2011 11: 59
      +3
      7,62x54 from svd is quite capable of breaking through
      1. Maroder
        Maroder 28 December 2011 17: 15
        +4
        Quote: olp
        7,62x54 from svd is quite capable of breaking through

        with this cartridge from a hunting carbine metal 20 mm breaks through (not armor). I tried it myself.
        The warrior 7H1 is more penetrative. Probably with a glittering distance, the APC will strike. from a distance of 300 meters of energy, only half remains.

        7.62x39 at the take-off from the trunk, the energy is about 2200 J at a distance of 300 meters 800 J (the fact that Kalash shoots per kilometer is simply a provocation, there remains 70 J in fact traumatic.)

        7.62x54 at a departure from the trunk of 3400 j. at a distance of 300 meters 1800 J
        1. bashir141
          bashir141 29 December 2011 22: 31
          +1
          Does not break. Shot.
  5. PSih2097
    PSih2097 28 December 2011 11: 32
    0
    The development of a new medium-type combat platform (armored personnel carrier), called the Boomerang, was announced at the beginning of October by Lieutenant Colonel Sergey Vlasov, the official representative of the Ground Forces.

    You know, along the way it's a duck, some talk about the "Kurganets", others about the "boomerang", an acquaintance at the bottom works, told - that they are reworking "Rostok", under new realities ...
  6. 755962
    755962 28 December 2011 12: 57
    0
    "Bear" seems to be for the internal troops. There is also a flasher on the roof.
  7. J_silver
    J_silver 28 December 2011 13: 08
    -1
    Well, now the punitive will be easy to distinguish from normal military personnel ...
  8. Passing
    Passing 28 December 2011 13: 48
    +6
    In the photo is not the Bear, this is the first option, experimental, the one that they are going to take into service looks like this:
    1. koosss
      koosss 28 December 2011 18: 03
      +1
      there is at least a photo, and this is finally a 3D model .. the photo is somehow more confidence)
      1. Vulkan raven
        Vulkan raven 28 December 2011 19: 07
        +5
        Photos from the tests. More trust?
        1. koosss
          koosss 15 January 2012 13: 25
          0
          of course)..
  9. Denis
    Denis 28 December 2011 23: 28
    0
    isn't it better to bring an armored personnel carrier to mind?
    it is also suitable for police operations, but as a "Bear" on the battlefield ...
    and mass production for the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs is cheaper than specialization
  10. zombies
    zombies 28 December 2011 23: 39
    +2
    comparing an armored car and an armored personnel carrier is generally incorrect; these are different classes of vehicles with different tasks.
  11. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 29 December 2011 00: 20
    0
    His suspension, as they say, is unified with the BTR-90 (and why?)
    Isn't it easier to wait and rearm on typhoons or something similar with the army?
  12. Vulkan raven
    Vulkan raven 29 December 2011 05: 04
    +2
    isn't it better to bring an armored personnel carrier to mind?

    He will remain a fighting vehicle. For civilian operations is not suitable.

    it is also suitable for police operations, but as a "Bear" on the battlefield ...

    Police equipment on the battlefield? What for?

    and mass production for the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs is cheaper than specialization

    Learn materiel, the car was originally created by the TTZ Ministry of Internal Affairs as "BTR-VV". There was no talk about the army at all.

    His suspension, as they say, is unified with the BTR-90 (and why?)

    There is no other alternative for this mass class.

    Isn't it easier to wait and rearm on typhoons or something similar with the army?

    You would know the story of the Bear or something. Development at the Ministry of Internal Affairs began in 2004, at the end of 2007 the first prototype was manufactured, and in 2010 an improved, updated version with YaMZ-536. Already conducted all factory tests, in 2012 the machine must pass state tests, adopted by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and in 2013 in a series.

    "Typhoons" here are generally past the checkout, these are trucks, moreover, from other plants, AMZ should focus only on its products. "Boomerang" will only be produced at the end of 2012 at the maximum, but rather in 2013, with a series at least in 2015. You offer so many years stupidly wait?
  13. Nechai
    Nechai 29 December 2011 14: 54
    +3
    Quote: Denis
    suitable for police operations

    Here is the "casket" that opens up - for which OPERATIONS the armed might of the current state is being re-equipped and prepared ...
  14. Vingetor
    Vingetor 29 December 2011 15: 09
    +1
    Um, is there anything that police operations take place in Chechnya and the Caucasus?
    As it seems to me precisely for this and Bears are created. There are already too many soldiers and officers blown up on mines.
  15. Nechai
    Nechai 29 December 2011 15: 16
    0
    Quote: Vingetor
    Um, is there anything that police operations take place in Chechnya and the Caucasus?

    There, in the main, the Kremlin tributes unfasten, now. But such a large-scale re-equipment - and all for the North Caucasus? Cool in total it turns out ...

  16. Vulkan raven
    Vulkan raven 29 December 2011 17: 44
    0
    Here is the "casket" that opens up - for which OPERATIONS the armed might of the current state is being re-equipped and prepared ...

    There, in the main, the Kremlin tributes unfasten, now. But such a large-scale re-equipment - and all for the North Caucasus? Cool in total it turns out ...

    double facepalm
  17. grizzlir
    grizzlir 29 December 2011 17: 57
    +1
    The Americans abandon their Hamers, since an RPG charge is guaranteed to lead to the death of the entire crew. And the BTR 80 received several cumulative charge hits and remained able to fight. The crew in the BTR have a great chance of surviving the miscarriage of more armor space and lineup. the engine or some of the transmission and control elements will disable any lightly armored vehicle. It’s not at all clear with whom they are going to fight on the Bears, the car is more suitable for actions to curb riots in the city than for military operations.
    1. Viking
      Viking 29 December 2011 19: 55
      +4
      Quote: grizzlir
      The crew in the armored personnel carrier has a great chance of surviving the stampede of more armored space

      Is this in the BTR-80 "a large reserve space"? Were you inside it? I would not talk about "big space". And the RPG-7 and "Hammer" well, this is not at all comparable. The RPG-7 was actually created to destroy tanks, what can we say about an armored vehicle?
      And about "for what, for whom." No one wondered why armored UAZs and URALs were so popular during the hostilities in Chechnya? An APC is a battlefield vehicle. And for many other tasks - for example, for movement in the front line or in zones of local conflicts, or patrolling in emergency zones, for transporting personnel, and indeed for hundreds of other cases, it is armored vehicles that are needed.
    2. Passing
      Passing 29 December 2011 20: 23
      0
      Americans abandon their Hamers

      They refuse, but not at all in favor of an APC, but in favor of MRAP.
      The crew in the armored personnel carrier has a great chance of surviving the claw of more armor space and lineup

      In MRAP, the armored volume is no less, and if we compare the BTR-80 with large MRAPs, it is much larger.
      the car is most suitable for actions to curb riots in a city than for military operations.

      The function of that armored personnel carrier, that of MRAP, to deliver infantry to the place of military operations, to protect it from sudden shelling and explosions. It’s a bad idea to attack both the armored personnel carrier and the MRAP; tanks and infantry fighting vehicles are intended for this purpose.
      In fact, the conceptual difference between an APC and an MRAP is the first one for off-road action, the second one for road-side action. Those. the first is sharpened to fight a strong enemy, when flank detours, river crossing, etc. are required, and the second is sharpened to suppress a weak enemy, i.e. control of roads, cities, etc.
  18. Owl
    Owl 29 December 2011 18: 12
    +2
    For carrying out police functions (patrolling, cordoning off, fighting mass riots) "Bear" is suitable, for carrying out "arrest (liquidation) of an armed or especially dangerous criminal (group of persons)" the APC is more suitable. I am always very interested in the answer to the following question: with the declared bullet resistance of the windshield in 5-7 hits, how will the driver perform the task of approaching the criminal's shelter, if on the windshield he sees 3 bursts and cracks from the hits of automatic bullets and go through the mud to shelter at a speed of 10-15 km / h about 50 meters?
    1. Viking
      Viking 29 December 2011 19: 59
      +1
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      if on the windshield he sees 3 bursts and cracks from machine-gun hits and go through the mud to the shelter at a speed of 10-15 km / h for about 50 meters?

      And why should he drive on mud and not on asphalt? By the way, the same "Tigers" are in service in the army. For about the same tasks that I described above. And also as a platform for different types of weapons. Here ATGM was installed on it not long ago.
    2. Passing
      Passing 29 December 2011 20: 46
      0
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      I am always very interested in the answer to the following question: with the declared bulletproofness of the windshield in 5-7 hits, how will the driver perform the task of approaching the offender’s shelter, if on the windshield he sees 3 bursts and cracks from automatic bullet hits and drive through mud to shelter at a speed of 10-15 km / h about 50 meters

      This is the weakness of a specific implementation, for example, in our promising army MRAP, windshields can be closed by an integrated armor shield.
      For MRAP police, this option is definitely redundant, ordinary criminals, albeit especially dangerous, do not go with a light machine gun and a grenade launcher under the floor, their typical weapon is a pistol.
      Or do you politically correctly mean by "especially dangerous criminals" Chechen fighters? Then, of course, it is more optimal to use the army version of the MRAP or the armored personnel carrier, if they are not enough, you can also a tank, if it is completely tight, then the S-13 or KAB-1500 will solve all the problems.
      1. Owl
        Owl 29 December 2011 21: 03
        +2
        I just do not understand why "developers and customers" forget the technical solutions that have been tested over the years and by battles: "eyelashes" and loopholes. On the "Tiger Rat" they forgot the protection for the shooter of the machine gunner-grenade launcher, maybe in our Army and the BB there are not killed "Duncan McLauds" serving? I saw how the "Tiger Rat" overloaded with the assault ladder barely drove up to the building at the "show", the fighter on the ladder held on to everything he could, so as not to fly out when moving. The "faces" are armed with a non-overloaded police "Land Rover" with an assault ladder.
        In the central region of the country in the hands of the population there are a lot of "unregistered weapons" (AK, SKS, "Tiger", "Vepr", etc.)
        1. grizzlir
          grizzlir 30 December 2011 07: 12
          -1
          It seems to me that in the higher Russian military circles there is some kind of fashion for Western models. An unprotected machine gunner on an armored vehicle is the number 1 target for enemy shooters. It is easily accessible if the fire is fired in the ultra-hemisphere, in urban or mountainous areas. they are suitable only for dispersal of demonstrations, and not as counter terrorist operations and warfare. I’m still confused by the cross-country ability of 4x4 vehicles in off-road conditions, I don’t even talk about smoothness. If, again, compared with the BTR 80, then the Bear is not even close It’s on cross-country with an armored personnel carrier. And smoothness is very important when firing on the go.
          1. Vulkan raven
            Vulkan raven 30 December 2011 08: 55
            0
            An unprotected machine gunner in an armored vehicle is the No. 1 target for enemy shooters.

            A remote-controlled machine-gun mount with the "Utes" has already been installed on the "Bear". The "Tiger" is now equipped with a DUMV "Adunok".

            . These models of armored vehicles are suitable only for dispersal of demonstrations, and not as counter-terrorist operations and warfare.

            "Tigers" have been participating in CTO and DB for five years already. Even in the war (Georgian-Ossetian) they lit up.

            I am also embarrassed by the cross-country ability of the 4X4 technique in off-road conditions, I don’t even talk about smoothness. If, again, to compare with the 80 APC, the Bear is not even close to the cross-country ability with the APC. And smoothness is very important when firing on the go.

            Our equipment has always been distinguished by high traffic, this also applies to the Tiger with the Bear. The smoothness of the move does not correlate with the possibility of firing on the go - you need an arms stabilizer.
        2. Vulkan raven
          Vulkan raven 30 December 2011 08: 48
          0
          On the "Tiger Rat"

          You have prejudices.

          forgot protection for gunner-grenade launcher

          Made as it was written in TTZ, "unparalleled" two-seat rotary turret. The same is on the "Gusar". Armored shields were offered, it is on the Indian export version - but not for our MO.

          The "faces" are armed with a non-overloaded police "Land Rover" with an assault ladder.

          It is equipped with bulletproof armor, can transport equipped fighters to the 10 assault gangway and reach the 3 floor?
      2. Vulkan raven
        Vulkan raven 30 December 2011 08: 33
        0
        This is the weakness of a specific implementation, for example, in our promising army MRAP, windshields can be closed by an integrated armor shield.

        The "concrete implementation" has not yet passed the GSE. What prevents it from equipping like the Uruguayan Tigers? Nothing, a penny revision is needed there (brackets and 4 video cameras with a monitor). But of course this should be reflected in the TTZ of the Ministry of Internal Affairs - and this is not yet available.

        Or do you politically correctly mean by "especially dangerous criminals" Chechen fighters?

        Militants have long moved from forests to settlements, sitting in apartments and fortified houses where they are taken by storm. There is not much to bomb there.
    3. Vulkan raven
      Vulkan raven 30 December 2011 08: 30
      0
      to carry out the "arrest (liquidation) of an armed or especially dangerous criminal (group of persons)" the APC is more suitable

      You are arguing with the command of the VV MVD now. They do not agree with you.

      I am always very interested in the answer to the following question:

      You obviously are not aware of the armored plates on windows and camcorders. On the Tiger, they are placed at the request of the customer, minimal revision is needed.
      1. Owl
        Owl 30 December 2011 17: 39
        0
        I appreciate the car that is in service with our division (in other divisions the same), if they show something else at exhibitions, then I do not work "at exhibitions", the cross-country ability of the "tiger" is "off-road vehicle", autumn (spring) the field is not for him, the ditches are problematic.
        1. Vulkan raven
          Vulkan raven 30 December 2011 18: 02
          0
          The Tiger patency score is higher than that of the BRDM-2, the verdict of the 21 testers of the Research Institute of Atomic Energy of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
          1. Owl
            Owl 30 December 2011 22: 14
            0
            this if the BRDM does not lower the additional rollers
            1. Vulkan raven
              Vulkan raven 31 December 2011 06: 28
              0
              Additional wheels are needed to overcome trenches, trenches and other specific obstacles on the battlefield, which are now almost not considered. They do not significantly increase the permeability, they realized this and on today's modernizations of the BRDM-2 these wheels are everywhere removed.
              1. Owl
                Owl 31 December 2011 13: 34
                0
                I’m telling you about trenches and ditches
                1. Vulkan raven
                  Vulkan raven 31 December 2011 15: 31
                  0
                  BRDM was created for a great war and taking into account the experience of the Second World War. The tiger is the brainchild of the late 90 years, when all the charms of local conflicts, including in urban areas, with an abundance of roads were already quite significant. Is it necessary for a police and police special forces operating in the city, a floating armored car with the ability to overcome trenches?

                  Yes, and in general, the New Year is already on the nose, with the holiday of you, so let's end the discussion, we will remain at our side.
  19. Klibanophoros
    Klibanophoros 29 December 2011 23: 58
    0
    Well, that's the driving force of the police state on the way
  20. Rico1977
    Rico1977 30 December 2011 01: 03
    +1
    And why vvshniki get first, not combatant units ???
    1. woland05
      woland05 31 December 2011 13: 49
      0
      In combat units, this type of machine is not really needed, but armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles are needed. It all depends on the tasks to be solved ....
  21. SAVA555.IVANOV
    SAVA555.IVANOV 30 December 2011 03: 04
    -2
    And no one asked a question! ?? WELL AND WHAT THE FUCK DO WE NEED SUCH INTERNAL TROOPS WHICH RIDE ON "TANKS" !!!!!! ????? Then it's better to come up with a ROBOCOPE, and then they crap, they insure themselves)))))) For that, they enter the database looking for their opponents,)))))
  22. Nechai
    Nechai 30 December 2011 14: 15
    0
    Quote: Vulkan Raven
    double facepalm

    In moments of intense nervous tension, a person switches to his native language. wink Yes, both remarks and right on target ...
  23. Vulkan raven
    Vulkan raven 30 December 2011 15: 07
    0
    In moments of intense nervous tension, a person switches to his native language. Yes, both remarks and right on target ...

    FGM.
  24. dmitri077
    dmitri077 1 February 2012 23: 10
    0
    phrases: "It is planned in the near future" and "at the moment it is not clear how many" Bears "will make an order" are key to understanding the essence of the "work" of the Russian military-industrial complex .. the master-servant does not even try to explain what is happening to the citizen-slave .. .. what for? SPM-3 was supposed to appear in the troops back in 2001-2002 at the beginning of the grandiose "mine" war in the Caucasus ... today is the line of 2011/12, and defensemen and generals are babbling at something like "pearls" ... maybe they "The fifth column", which all ears have already buzzed here?
  25. Disasterpiece
    Disasterpiece 23 June 2012 11: 50
    0
    Since this car is so anti-mine, so what is it on wheels? Okay, with a bottom, everything is more or less clear with it, but what about wheels? Tear the rubber in the first mine.