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When counting veterans of the Syrian operation, it is important to avoid old mistakes

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When counting veterans of the Syrian operation, it is important to avoid old mistakesThe status of the veterans of the operation in Syria can receive no more than 25 thousand Russians, said the representative of the Ministry of Defense, thereby for the first time calling the approximate number of participants in the operation of the Russian Aerospace Force. The relevant law, already adopted by the State Duma, raises some questions. Unfortunately, we can admit that in the field of awards, we have not fully understood the mess of 90's.


On Wednesday, the State Duma adopted in the first reading a bill on the recognition by veterans of the hostilities of citizens performing special tasks in Syria. This legislative initiative was introduced by the government and provides that “the status of a veteran of hostilities (and hence the social support measures established by the federal law“ On Veterans ”- approx. VIEW) will be established by persons sent to work to perform special tasks in Syria since 30 September 2015 of the year, which has worked out at the time of sending or who have been seconded ahead of time for valid reasons. ” According to Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov, the number of such citizens will not exceed 25 thousand. Thus, for the first time, the Ministry of Defense officially announced the approximate number of participants in the operation of the Russian Aerospace Force in Syria.

This is definitely the right decision. But, like all bills on the veteran theme, the new one contains a number of flaws. Surprisingly, in Russia there is no common status for a war veteran. There are several different kinds of laws and regulations that determine the status of a combatant and the benefits due to this person, but each specific armed conflict is determined arbitrarily. For example, the dates of the events that have taken place may be indicated almost as “from the scum”, while strange references are made to the registration of one or another military unit. But in Soviet and Russian practice, military units "in pure form" (that is, under a specific number, which is written in the military ID) in hostilities abroad, especially in undeclared conflicts, as a rule, did not fully participate. As a result, the officers did not have records of participation in hostilities in the military card and in their personal files, since the military unit itself did not participate in them. And a business trip turns out to be something like a “personal need,” which is difficult to legally substantiate.

All these lacunae, the Department of Personnel (CC) of the Ministry of Defense uses with benefit for itself. For example, the last law on privileges for war veterans of the Criminal Code could easily be circumvented if it wanted to, since military operations without specifying military units, but from a ceiling, the dates were listed in random order. Participation in hostilities was determined by the marks on missions and certificates, and the fact of missions could be challenged. A person could otbit two years as a translator in the jungle or a service engineer in the desert, but did not go through the database of the Criminal Code, since its military part did not leave the city of Balashikha at that time. As a result, the person not only did not receive any benefits or compensation for damage, but also risked getting under the criminal article “Mercenary”.

South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Karabakh and Yugoslavia at the beginning of the 90s are very significant in this sense. Leapfrog administrative changes in the Russian army led to a complete loss of control. For example, the Transcaucasian Military District gradually turned into a system of military bases, at the same time several armed conflicts took place, and the officers who participated in them did not receive any years of service or benefits. In some cases, they were even considered deserters - and this is only through the Ministry of Defense.
Big problems arose (and still exist) with the determination of years of service, status and benefits for officers who began serving in the former KGB of the USSR. But it was they who basically carried all these conflicts on themselves, often working in established posts in local governments, which fell under the criminal article (article 359, part three, from three to seven).

Another example. From the point of view of the State Duma, the war in Angola ended in 1985, that is, as if the battle for Kuito-Kuanavala did not exist. Officially, nothing happened at all in Ethiopia in 80's, although it was at that time that Soviet military advisers suffered the most serious losses.

There is no maliciousness or sabotage. Just the idea of ​​this kind of legislation implies legal accuracy in time and concepts. Now, on a specific Syrian issue, such problems as in the 90s should not arise, since the stay of the Russian contingent in the SAR is determined by other laws and agreed with the Damascus government. There are also orders for military units that record the terms of a business trip, its tasks and goals. However, this applies to pilots, service personnel of the air force base, sappers, and partly sailors. I would like to hope that there are real orders and in parts of the special forces, and on the gunners, as well as on the personnel, including civilians, who trained the Syrians to work on the Russian equipment or handed them weapons from hand to hand. The same applies to translators, as well as employees of reconciliation centers, of whom not all are on the staff of the Ministry of Defense.

Separate история with the sailors, since their business trips are determined by “hikes”, and how to date them and refer them to operations in Syria is already on the conscience of the personnel department.

Recently, the Criminal Code and the award department have been carried away with the creation of departmental medals, which do not carry any preferential burden, but give a psychological effect. Inside the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff, this causes an ambiguous reaction, since the list of military awards is inviolable, it is determined by the laws of the Russian Federation and nothing more. That is, the memorial sign "For the release of Palmyra" legally does not carry any benefits for those who participated in it. In order for a veteran of the fighting in Syria or his family to receive any benefits, for example, in paying utility bills, he must receive a medal fixed in the official registry, for example, “For Courage”, and not a memorial sign for Palmyra. Opponents of issuing this kind of commemorative medals and signs insist on compliance with the law, on the other hand, the army is obliged to reward something for those who risked their lives in the distant desert, and it would be wrong to deny the need for such awards. The fact that they could be filled with certain content (capitalized in their own way) is another matter.

The doubts on the number of participants in the operation raise some doubts. No one has yet clearly determined whether the operation ended in Syria or not. If we proceed from official political statements, it is over. But then we fall into the very failure of 90's, when the operation seemed to be, but there were no people there. If we proceed from official orders for military units, we fall into the same trap, since the timing of the operation and missions are set by the Human Resources Department arbitrarily, not consistent with the real story.

If we evaluate only the quantitative issue, then the figure of 25 thousand people can in no way be qualified as a characteristic of the Russian operation in Syria. Caspian sailors should be added to this figure. flotilla, and maintenance personnel of bases in Russia. Most likely, this data is only an indicative indicator, which will change with time and with changes in the parameters of the operation itself. But then you will have to edit the award data, including secret ones. By the way, they themselves are a strange story, since the awards are considered the property of the state and are seized after the death of the awarded, only a copy is provided to the family. This is a global practice, but in the current situation, perhaps it should be changed.
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 June 2016 15: 17
    +2
    The other day we discussed this topic. Probably not worth repeating.
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 18 June 2016 16: 36
      +16
      The title of "combatant" is deserved by ALL Russian citizens who are in the combat zone, but ... We will immediately have a bunch of generals and colonels who will fly to Latakia for 3 days or go to Tartu and with good reason will start wearing this title. This kin should be avoided.
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 18 June 2016 16: 56
        +11
        Ensure that I am worthy.
        And you must all understand:
        The simplest thing is
        Man came from the war ...

        A. Tvardovsky. "Vasily Terkin"
        1. cniza
          cniza 18 June 2016 17: 58
          +5
          Quote: Denis Obukhov
          The title of "combatant" is deserved by ALL Russian citizens who are in the combat zone, but ... We will immediately have a bunch of generals and colonels who will fly to Latakia for 3 days or go to Tartu and with good reason will start wearing this title. This kin should be avoided.


          "To reward the innocent, to punish the innocent" should not be so.
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      2. vv3
        vv3 19 June 2016 01: 02
        -4
        And I think it's time to get rid of this circus. For participation in hostilities give a length of service for 3 months and triple financial allowance, plus insurance and all. And the ranks and titles on the ears of bureaucrats in the form of noodles ... Then there will be no abuse and double benefits.
    2. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 18 June 2016 16: 51
      +2
      Participants in hostilities in the Donbass with the Nazis also need to be assigned the status of "war veterans." They have also fulfilled and are fulfilling an international duty.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 18 June 2016 18: 32
        +4
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Participants in hostilities in the Donbass with the Nazis also need to be assigned the status of "war veterans." They have also fulfilled and are fulfilling an international duty.
        I agree, but with what wording? (we were not there ..)
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 18 June 2016 18: 57
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          I agree, but with what wording?(we were not there ..)


          Legally - everything is correct ... But humanly ??? And what to do ??? Incident, and what a huge ...
      2. rabbi's pais
        rabbi's pais 19 June 2016 00: 21
        +2
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        They have also fulfilled and are fulfilling an international duty.

        Enough already to flog this nonsense. There is no Russia in front of anyone
        no stupid international debt. We are doing a favor.
  2. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 18 June 2016 15: 25
    0
    "When counting the veterans of the Syrian operation, it is important to avoid old mistakes"
    Not including the 33-year-old "generals" ....!
  3. azbukin77
    azbukin77 18 June 2016 15: 34
    +6
    Lord !!! Everyone on the battle (grave) want to earn. But when will it end ???
    1. Comrade Schucher
      Comrade Schucher 18 June 2016 16: 37
      +11
      Quote: azbukin77
      But when will it end ???

      Here your question is more likely to appeal to human conscience.
      I myself am an old warrior from Uncle Vasya’s Troops, 345 PDP, 1980-82, a participant.
      And on August 2, I often see the type of "ours", guzzling water and pouring heroic tales, but in terms of muscle gain, they clearly have nothing to do with combat landing.
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 19 June 2016 10: 25
        0
        but in terms of muscle recruitment, they obviously have nothing to do with military assault.

        For a long time, according to the muscle set, they began to refer to the military?
    2. Alekseits
      Alekseits 18 June 2016 17: 43
      +5
      "... everything in the world has a limit,
      Only the meanness of man is boundless ... "
      = E. Yevtushenko. =
      1. Comrade Schucher
        Comrade Schucher 18 June 2016 20: 28
        +5
        Quote: Alekseits
        Only the meanness of man is boundless ... "

        During my youth, this is, of course, the USSR and socialism, the measure of conscience was different, and I still had to somehow decide on meanness - it was almost like a "feat" ...
        Now it’s sadder ... villainy somehow enters into the social norm ...
        Well, what can I say, the enemies in our rear are working successfully.
        1. An64
          An64 18 June 2016 23: 12
          0
          Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER
          During my youth, this is, of course, the USSR and socialism, the measure of conscience was different, and I still had to somehow decide on meanness - it was almost like a "feat" ...
          Now it’s sadder ... villainy somehow enters into the social norm ...
          Well, what can I say, the enemies in our rear are working successfully.

          Here we are discussing to whom and how to confer the title of a veteran of the database. In the USSR, and this is stated in the article, neither Angola, nor Egypt, nor the same Syria gave the participants the right to be considered veterans of the database. Ours, as it were, was not ...
  4. Pereira
    Pereira 18 June 2016 15: 36
    +2
    Was there an 2 division in Syria?
  5. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 18 June 2016 15: 36
    +4
    well, it begins ... "intimidation, obfuscation, punishment of the innocent and rewarding of those who do not participate ..." sad
  6. Barakuda
    Barakuda 18 June 2016 15: 36
    +5
    Veteran or member? Forgive someone who cooked porridge, and who is at the forefront with binoculars .. The difference, however. Although all well done!
    Yes, and it's time to close this topic. Otherwise, a "party" will be formed to protect geckos in the desert ..
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 June 2016 18: 34
      0
      Quote: Barracuda
      Veteran or member? Forgive someone who cooked porridge, and who is at the forefront with binoculars .. The difference, however. Although all well done!
      that's it.
  7. dmitriyruss
    dmitriyruss 18 June 2016 15: 40
    -3
    It is a pity that none of the military-political leadership of Russia lacks the mind to nominate our clever -Vladimir Vladimirovich for an award .... Well, who exactly deserves the award for operations in Syria. He himself is a modest man - he will not reward himself
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 18 June 2016 15: 45
      +8
      Enough Brezhnev ..
    2. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 18 June 2016 15: 47
      +4
      If they reward, then the world will rise ... Brezhnev will be remembered, etc. Putin, in my opinion, is now the most discussed person in the world and, unfortunately, the most hated for our enemies. Do not give them a reason for sarcasm.
      P.S. and if you say who really deserves the Nobel Peace Prize, it’s for sure he, not eggplant.
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    4. RUSS
      RUSS 18 June 2016 16: 06
      +5
      Quote: dmitriyruss
      It is a pity that none of the military-political leadership of Russia lacks the mind to nominate our clever -Vladimir Vladimirovich ....

      His people rewarded them by re-electing them for the third term, they will reward them in the future, choosing them again, and they will give orders and medals when the GDP is retired.
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 18 June 2016 22: 22
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        His people rewarded them by re-electing them for the third term, they will reward them in the future, choosing them again, and they will give orders and medals when the GDP is retired.

        I am not a political supporter of Putin, but for Crimea, I think, he deserves the title of hero.
        And then, and for other things, it may accumulate.
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 18 June 2016 16: 15
      +2
      Ha! Award decrees are signed by the president. From here and draw conclusions.
  8. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 18 June 2016 15: 43
    +6
    "No more than 25 thousand ...". The order reminds me of the police plan to catch the criminals. Probably, this is so that the number of fake veterans does not exceed the numerical strength of the RF Armed Forces. Oh, how many of these snubs will appear now. Hmmm, the problem is serious, how to separate the goats. The Arbat Parquet District seems to have been dispersed, so a decent shift is growing, how can it be without them.
    1. dauria
      dauria 18 June 2016 17: 26
      +6
      Arbat Parquet District seems to have been dispersed, so a decent change is growing, how can it be without them.


      Generals dancing at the ball
      when I left for the war of 1826


      We carry one burden;
      Only our lot is different:
      You are left to the tribe,
      I'm assigned to slaughter.

      1826
      Davydov D.V. Poems. - M .: Soviet Russia, 1979.
      That was a long time ago.... wink
  9. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 18 June 2016 16: 10
    +9
    Parquet sharks have always been, are and will be. This tribe is indestructible. As for the awards in the tsarist era, naval officers and SUVs, Valentin Pikul described it well in my book "Cruiser".
    Of course, the guys who were in Syria should be accepted into the cohort of veterans. And if he was at the forefront or cooked or prepared equipment - no need to distinguish. Because without a strong rear there is no powerful front. There is no need to generate discontent and slanting looks among the guys whom the Motherland once again sent to fight over a hill.

    PS We had a cook in our squadron. I never went out of the way, but when they gave him "Veteran" none of the guys even thought bad. Everyone does their job. He did well.
    1. Chisayna
      Chisayna 18 June 2016 17: 01
      -2
      In more detail, you can know what kind of veteran he was given and how he was given. Before the formation he was presented with a certificate "Veteran of military operations". Or handed the badge "Veteran of the Border Troops".
  10. family tree
    family tree 18 June 2016 16: 20
    0
    Well damn. My grandfather was a veteran, Finnish and Patriotic, from bell to bell, a mortar, and the current business trips, especially to the highest command, yes, I’m silent already, cho belay
    1. n.dybnev
      n.dybnev 18 June 2016 20: 16
      +2
      you try. Then talk about the non-conscientious.
      1. family tree
        family tree 18 June 2016 21: 36
        0
        I don’t argue about service, military, business trip, I don’t argue, they should be noted with their orders, with the corresponding life pension, tied to the award, just don’t give them right and left, but again, as always what
  11. pts-m
    pts-m 18 June 2016 16: 31
    0
    Although Russia is going through the 21st century, the problems are still the same as in the previous centuries. As people say ... who is closer to the headquarters is the hero ... Although I would take Pikul’s novel “Cruiser”, the same the song itself.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 June 2016 18: 38
      +1
      Quote: PTS-m
      .Although I would take Pikul’s novel “Cruiser”, the same song.

      and "tsushima" -Novikov-Surf ...
  12. Observer2014
    Observer2014 18 June 2016 16: 36
    +4
    I read the comments and realized that the one who after the Syrian company will scream the most and the first one will climb the television screens and be appointed to the State Duma or the chairman of some fund. He shed the least blood there. True heroes are distinguished by modesty.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 June 2016 18: 41
      +2
      Quote: Observer2014
      True heroes are distinguished by modesty.

      not even modesty, but a pathological unwillingness to speak on this subject, and even more so to get a "profit" ... hi I judge according to my grandfather and brother (Afghan).
  13. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 18 June 2016 16: 37
    0
    "For a feat and a reward" - it would not fit in my head if Stalin suddenly issued a decree - to reward not for a military feat, but for the ability to lick the set sopog! Fought, deserved - reward !!!
  14. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 18 June 2016 16: 39
    +1
    Anyway, who should be "endowed" and we will not be asked.
  15. bad
    bad 18 June 2016 17: 08
    +4
    Quote: Comrade Schucher
    Quote: azbukin77
    But when will it end ???

    Here your question is more likely to appeal to human conscience.
    I myself am an old warrior from Uncle Vasya’s Troops, 345 PDP, 1980-82, a participant.
    And on August 2, I often see the type of "ours", guzzling water and pouring heroic tales, but in terms of muscle gain, they clearly have nothing to do with combat landing.
    ... I categorically support it! .. I also came across this more than a dozen times .. they were beaten by muzzles .. what's the point? them like damn cockroaches ..
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  17. ssp27
    ssp27 18 June 2016 18: 27
    +1
    It is sad that we began to measure the degree of participation in the performance of our military duties in the number of benefits due for this.
  18. Navuxonastupil
    Navuxonastupil 18 June 2016 18: 36
    -5
    My late father, an invalid of the Great Patriotic War, once illustrated to me the way of distributing awards in those years: "Vanka for the attack - hell in ...., and Manka for .... Krasnaya Zvezda"! I think that Manki is a PW (field wives), but after all, they not only gratified the bosses, so they deserved it!
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 18 June 2016 20: 22
      +4
      With the girls of the 46th Guards Regiment of night bombers, they would try to be rude like that under Catherine Zavaliy. Sorry, she would fill up someone, excuse me, slurp.
      1. Navuxonastupil
        Navuxonastupil 18 June 2016 21: 10
        -5
        So the percentage of night witches was not enough, but there were a lot of medical battalions, field laundries and mouth communications!
      2. An64
        An64 18 June 2016 23: 29
        0
        Here is a presentation to the Order of the Red Star!
    2. dauria
      dauria 18 June 2016 22: 49
      +3
      I think that Manki is a prostate cancer (field wives)


      You, my friend, didn’t think about it, they wrote meanness. To dilute peasant collective farms in such conditions is simply a necessity, so that they do not go mad at all and do not gulp each other's throats. We had waitresses and cooks, saleswomen and doctors in Kunduz. Sometimes you just throw a couple of jokes and breathe easier. And it’s embarrassing for people like you to be ashamed of where they were, but what they saw. Some got it, not every man can stand it without turning his back.
      I still remember one over there. For one heart-to-heart talk
      I remember to the grave.
  19. weksha50
    weksha50 18 June 2016 18: 55
    0
    As always, it all depends on bureaucratic arbitrariness ...

    And, as always, someone, without leaving the premises of the General Staff, will become a veteran of military operations in Syria, but the real participant (s) can be forgotten ...

    Some of them became Heroes of Russia ... parquet ... Unfortunately, ...
  20. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 18 June 2016 19: 17
    +1
    The sharing of privileges has reached Syria.
    1. n.dybnev
      n.dybnev 18 June 2016 20: 23
      0
      WBD privilege 2638r27k
  21. masiya
    masiya 18 June 2016 20: 30
    +1
    And what is surprising is that I have a grandfather (a Pole by metric, but there are some Swedes and Germans and others ... according to stories) born in 1904 a boy with his parents fled from near Kovno in 1914 to N. Novgorod from the war, they have half the farm, some to America, some to Canada ... and now they are beaten in Russia, a participant in the Finnish war, and the Second World War as it should be, but only in 1945 in April from a sniper (cuckoo) he received a bullet coming in from the top left, and coming out from the pelvis on the right, he saw the scars and wondered how he survived, but survived by a miracle, our wounded were pulled out and sent to the dignity. and the train was mistaken for a dead man, he just groaned and pulled out, (just like in the novels) then more than six months in the infirmaries, and disability threatened to give documents, destroyed what the family should support his wife and two girls .., and had to hide the obvious disability, and as a result, there were no awards from the USSR, until my father started digging what a mess .. in the USSR Ministry of Defense, a man was seriously wounded while defending our Motherland and there is nothing .., after that they lifted the documents. and the slow process started, they suddenly queued up from the rotten place ... and started giving orders and medals, since 1975 ... ONLY it was all late, now it is all remembered as some kind of miracle, but life has passed .... ...
  22. rotfuks
    rotfuks 18 June 2016 22: 35
    +2
    I remember I studied at a Soviet university. There was no water in the hostel and we went to the city bath. And in a bath without a queue only disabled people without limbs. Once we stand in line, and the line confidently pushes the guy off our course and pokes a certificate under everyone's nose. The line silently missed him. I then asked him about the ID, he said that he was an internationalist warrior, he served in Afghanistan. He received all the benefits laid out at the time and was proud and arrogant. We had a military department at the university and we had to hand over military tickets to the department to determine the university. Our internationalist warrior turned out to be a battalion clerk and, judging by the marks in the warrior, he served at a hot spot for six months. Okay, he was a soldier and slept in the barracks with everyone. A couple of years ago, loudly demanded to rank themselves among the soldiers-internationalists, civilian women. All who served in Afghanistan as signalmen at the headquarters, sellers in chips, waitresses in officers' canteens. The waitresses were definitely civilian and did not go to combat. I mean that the benefits to the military should be like the benefits of miners. Miners benefit only to those who descend into the face. And cleaners, locksmiths and electricians hanging on the surface have no benefits.
  23. gsl2007
    gsl2007 19 June 2016 02: 08
    -1
    Dear editors of the site!

    Please highlight the details of the joint Russian-Israeli exercises.
    Shoigu is already in Syria, so the teachings will begin soon.
    Airplanes of the Russian Federation will fly with Khmeimim to support the Israeli Navy near the Israeli oil platform Leviathan in the Mediterranean Sea.
    Everything connected with the sea is always interesting.

    Thanks in advance
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 19 June 2016 02: 21
      0
      What OAK did you crash from?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 19 June 2016 10: 11
        0
        And these are echoes of rumors that Putin and Netanyahu have agreed
        about the deal: Gazprom gets a stake on the Israeli gas shelf,
        and the Russian Air Force from Syria for this cover the towers from possible attacks by Hezbollah and other gopniks.
        I do not know if this is true, but believable.
        For Israel, gas is an auxiliary income, and protection is costly, and
        Gazprom is actively seeking access to various global fields.
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  24. alex_V15
    alex_V15 19 June 2016 10: 14
    0
    Hmm ... I got to the bottom of the medal "For the Liberation of Palmyra" ...
    This is a medal of the Order. Orders of participants in this terrible war with the beast. Intraordensky. Do you want them to have benefits? Create a fund! And provide them with benefits from it. This is a private initiative, by the way. For which I bow to their feet. It also makes it possible for the Motherland to separately award distinguished students. Nobody bothers, right? They consider it necessary - they will reward.
    But a serious question has been raised.
    A new, modern veteran law is needed. Here is the order for the updated Duma! Design and adopt one! Which would replace a bunch of different laws and regulations. Where even covert operations would be considered. How and how to take this into account and so on. Personnel officers will be happy. When everything is extremely orderly and understandable. Thank you so much!
  25. PRepod RViA
    PRepod RViA 19 June 2016 12: 18
    0
    Here they talked about the Arbat district. On the whole, I agree that it is not worth raking in all the "Arbat" people. At the Central Bank of Ukraine in the capital, the guys in the opera groups plow, God forbid, do not sleep for days, the workload of the "directors" is capital, and as a result, there is not even money for combat duty! Well you were on a regular business trip, what you want, here is the answer upon returning to the unit.
    And then here everyone remembers about the rear, but planning and organization itself is done by respected forum users?
  26. Volchara85
    Volchara85 3 May 2018 23: 26
    0
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Quote: Observer2014
    True heroes are distinguished by modesty.

    not even modesty, but a pathological unwillingness to speak on this subject, and even more so to get a "profit" ... hi I judge according to my grandfather and brother (Afghan).