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Conflict of interests in the space industry is purely financial in nature.


Several events brought to mind the forgotten problem of the Sea Launch, a unique floating cosmodrome, which was unclaimed and stuck in the base port of Long Beach in California for several reasons.

March 30 head of the Russian Federal Space Agency Igor Komarov announced the upcoming sale of the project "Sea Launch". He added that companies from the USA, Europe, China and Australia wanted to acquire the project.

“The available capacities of Russian launch vehicles are no longer enough to solve tasks in the interests of the Ministry of Defense”
17 May was followed by a statement by RSC Energia Vladimir Solntsev, according to which the tender for the sale of the Sea Launch will be completed by mid-June. And on May 20, the consistent advocate of using the Sea Launch project in the interests of Russia, the former president and general designer of RSC Energia Vitaly Lopota, was released from under the house arrest that lasted for two years. The period of its isolation strangely coincided with the time of preparing the draft of the Federal Space Program (FKP) before 2025, the fierce and consistent criticism of which in its present form was and is. It was this circumstance that played a decisive role in the fact that after the RKK he had briefly been in the position of vice-president of the United Rocket and Space Corporation.

Sad finish "Sea Launch"


Information about the attempts of the new leadership of RKK to sell the Sea Launch, either to Israel or to China, have been received before. But as it became known, they were frustrated by those who saw in this act an operation capable of causing enormous damage to Russia.

Curve moonlight


"The main interest of potential buyers was the most advanced and still not repeated technology of a fully automatic start, implemented on the launching floating platform Odyssey," one of the experts polled by VPK said. He has no doubt that it is for this reason that the Sea Launch cannot be sold, it can and should serve Russia.

Australia could be a new end customer for a floating space center. Given the impossibility of a direct transaction (sanctions, etc.), an indirect acquisition scheme through S7 was chosen, to which it was given for an amount equivalent to the Energy debt to Boeing (that is, five times cheaper than the real cost of the sea and land segments). consulting company Northern Sky Researh of two billion dollars). However, the deal turned out to be in fact disrupted - Komarov’s statement noted above sounded like an attempt to prevent the sale. Immediately after this, the American participant in the Boeing project blocked the deal through the court, explaining that it would violate the technology protection clause existing in the statutory documents of the consortium.

An amazing thing: as the "MIC" became known, according to unconfirmed official data, it was exactly the same amount that the industry leadership asked the government to solve the problems of the sea launch site. So, it will still be saved for our country?

The Sea Launch project was created jointly by companies from Russia, USA, Ukraine and Norway in 1998. The launches began with 1999, 36 starts were all, of which 33 was successful. More than a billion dollars of borrowed funds, including 200 million, were secured by the World Bank and the counter-guarantees of the governments of the Russian Federation and Ukraine for the creation of the cosmodrome.

The tacit task of the project was to consolidate Russia in the launch services market, as well as create a backup system that would ensure the launch into geostationary orbit when the Baikonur cosmodrome was under the jurisdiction of Kazakhstan and ambiguities with the creation of the Angara heavy class missile system.

She flew for the first time in 2014, and this seems to have been the verdict on Sea Launch with its Baikonur analogue Land Launch, as well as some of those who supported these projects. It seems to have been carried out by people involved in one way or another in the "proton-Angara" financial scheme.

Now few people remember that due to the first revenues from the Sea Launch, RKK was able to extend the life of the Mir orbital station by two years, ensure technological stability and load the industry’s strategically important industries. In the period from 1996 to 2014, Russian enterprises received orders for more than a billion dollars for this project, and more than 50 enterprises in the industry were retained with jobs for a total of about thousands of people. In other words, if it were not for the Sea Launch, much that is being done now by the state defense order would simply have no one to implement.

By 2010, problems in relations between the participants of the consortium related to the actions of western partners had matured. Initially, Russia's share (RSC Energia) in the company's authorized capital (25%) did not allow it to be effectively controlled, since the management was carried out by the Boeing group (40%). As a result, Western partners made a twofold excess of the approved estimates, servicing an excessive amount of borrowed funds - to pay for these overruns, Sea Launch had to attract bank loans against guarantees from Western partners, which led to significant financial problems of the project.

Invest to return money

In September, 2007, Vitaly Lopota initiated a financial and economic audit of the Sea Launch business. The audit was conducted in October-November by JPMorgan Bank, which confirmed all signs of the company's crisis and the mistakes made by management and managers. The Board of Directors made a decision providing for attracting investments to provide working capital required for advanced manufacturing of launch vehicles when servicing orders. Before attracting investments, RSC demanded to change the Sea Launch management, to develop and implement a business restructuring program. By that time, total debts amounted to about 2,5 billion dollars, including RKK’s liabilities - about 700 million dollars.

In 2009, the American partner attempted to turn the operation to recognize the Sea Launch as bankrupt and buy out the cosmodrome at the price of a non-core asset or scrap metal.

In the 2010 year, in order not to allow the Sea Launch to collapse, which became a hindrance to US launch service providers, the RKK leadership was forced to go to the reorganization already mentioned above, which resulted in the transfer of the RKK-based cosmodrome and ground infrastructure to Porto Long Beach. It is noteworthy that customers of the launch services contributed even before 2009-th 248 millions of advances made to perform 14-launches. Their implementation guaranteed the break-even operation of the spaceport for more than three years.

After the reorganization of 2010 in 95, the company’s shares are owned by Energia Overseas Limited (EOL) - RKK’s “granddaughter”, three percent by Boeing, and two percent by Norwegian company Aker Solutions. The headquarters of the consortium is in Nyon, Switzerland.

After the reorganization, six successful launches were performed. However, the financial position of the consortium did not improve: according to knowledgeable people, the dumping was largely prevented by the ILS.

It is known that the reason for the investigation, which began in 2014, was the “verification” data initiated by the former leadership of Roscosmos. It was conducted by a commission headed by the former first deputy head of the agency, Oleg Frolov. She was charged for a negative result - despite the fact that at about the same time, the RCC checked the commissions of the three most competent control bodies, including the Accounts Chamber, which did not find any serious violations in the activities of the previous management of the corporation. The results of these inspections are approved by the shareholders of the enterprise and in the government. As for the “Frolov Commission,” she found that when lending funds to subsidiaries involved in the project, some damage was caused, the amount of which the prosecution still does not have consent. And was he really? The termination of the house arrest regime of Lopota is quite eloquent. “Damage” was revealed in the form of lost profits on the basis of specially modified data from the “Frolov Commission”, which was not confirmed and not proven, ”said the source of the“ MIC ”, familiar with the situation.

It was about RKK’s “daughters” and “granddaughters”, the funds largely remained in the corporation. Her right is to dispose of them as she sees fit. In any case, the previous leadership of "Energy" was trying not to get rid of the "Sea Launch", which makes the present, but to fight for it. However, as noted by the former leadership of the RKK, despite repeated promises to objectively deal with the materials of all the checks and decide to support the marine cosmodrome, in various instances, until recently, only the work of the “Frolov commission” was taken into account.

In 2014, Sea Launch preserved the floating launch platform Odyssey and the assembly and command ship Sea Launch Commander, and also fired some of the staff.

What has already given Russia the Sea Launch? He retained and gave a powerful impetus to the development of the school and technologies for the production of high-performance powerful oxygen-kerosene rocket engines RD-170 / 171 with 800 tons, which is Russia's main competitive advantage with the possible creation of super-heavy class launch vehicles exceeding in their performance characteristics developed in the USA SLS super heavy media.

High-speed digital control systems of the upper stages and the launch vehicle were created at the technological level.

High-precision technologies for rocket launches from a non-stationary launch have been developed and obtained flight qualifications that provide the best precision in the world for launching spacecraft into geostationary and geo-transition orbits with the obvious possibility of using them for certain military purposes.

Promising technologies for the fully automated preparation and launch of launch vehicles with remote control and, if necessary, with radio control of the launch complex, have been created. The latter is still not in Russia on any other.

The Sea Launch, along with the Land Launch, can become a real base for the creation and testing in the shortest possible time of reliable and competitive LV of medium, heavy and extra heavy classes Energy-1K at one of the Russian enterprises, especially since Ukrainian Zenit in fact, was on our 90 percent.

And here the fun begins.

Overweight problems

As is well known, in the new PCF, in terms of launch vehicles, emphasis was placed on the development of the LV line on the basis of the “Angara”, the base for which is URM with the 200-ton RD-190 engine. In particular, it is planned to develop a manned variant, the Angara-A5P, as well as a heavy increased-capacity rocket, the Angara-A5B, which will be capable of launching a payload of 35 tons into low orbit. Her first flight is scheduled for the 2026 year.

However, many experts doubt the feasibility of these plans. Skeptics were even in the team that created the "Angara". In particular, the ex-head of Salyut Design Bureau (part of the GKNPTs), Yuri Bakhvalov, argued that the modernization of the Angara-5 to the Angara-A5В option was not feasible, which cost him his position.

It seems that these fears are secretly shared by those who, for a number of reasons, have relied on Angara. Otherwise, how to explain that at the last moment an item on the development of the Phoenix LV got into the draft PCF?

With him, too, everything is not clear. At first it was about the fact that this carrier will be developing Progress Rocket and Space Center (RCC). As stated by the head of the RCC, Alexander Kirilin, the ROC was supposed to open in 2018 year. However, in the end it turned out that Khrunichev’s firm (Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center), the developer and manufacturer of Proton and Angara launch vehicles, will take care of the project. An amazing thing, the GKNPT received a tasty order without any tender, although other companies could also claim it. Everyone somehow forgotten that quite recently, the NTS of Roskosmos determined the project of the Energiya-K launch vehicle line as the most promising.

Meanwhile, the head institute of Roskosmos - TsNIIMash has ripened to that which Vitaly Lopota has repeatedly said earlier, pointing to the futility of using the "Angara" in the lunar version. A short expedition to the Earth satellite will require at least four launches of the Angara-A5B launch vehicle, for a long-term expedition, eight launches with a corresponding loss in reliability and in the price of the question about which the Angara supporters were so concerned about. In TsNImash, they confirmed the need to develop a truly super-heavy carrier with a carrying capacity of at least 80 tons for solving single-launch missions of a manned spacecraft weighing about 20 tons to the orbit of an artificial satellite of the Moon. They want to start solving this problem there from the year 2035, arguing that earlier there is no need for such a carrier. At the same time, at the head institute they forgot that there are not only civil payloads: the military already now cannot let what they would like. A good example is that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is forced to order four additional Meridian communication satellites due to the fact that the planned Sfera-V spacecraft planned to replace them turned out to be too heavy for existing RNs. Earlier, the head of the NTS of Roscosmos, Yuri Koptev, acknowledged that the available capacities of Russian launch vehicles are no longer enough to solve tasks in the interests of the Ministry of Defense.

And the emphasis is again placed on “Phoenix” in the GKNPT version, and it is forgotten that the existing technologies associated with the RD-170 / 171-based rocket unit allow us to make a competitive super-heavy carrier in five to seven years, that is, years on 15 before as planned at TsNIImash. And then RKK specialists will not have to make their plans considering the possible use of the American SLS carrier, and vice versa - the Americans will have to buy launch services from Russia.

If Roscosmos is really concerned about the fate of the Sea Launch, you can only support this initiative. It will allow to get a new version of truly independent access to orbit for Russia, and it is very effective.
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  1. volot-voin
    volot-voin 17 June 2016 15: 41
    +4
    I would like all the same, that ours were the first to visit the moon and expose the "Hollywood fraud". Good luck to Roskosmos.
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 17 June 2016 15: 44
      +2
      We do not need "sea launch .." .... All this garbage!
      Again, they are plotting something ... Don’t believe, don’t be afraid, don’t ask!
      1. Stalker.1977
        Stalker.1977 17 June 2016 15: 54
        +9
        That's just the point, what is needed allows you to launch missiles practically without taking into account the position of the earth, from the best points, you must wait from the continent for a long time until a window is provided, etc. etc., it’s easier here, I’m certainly not an expert, but I understand superficially situevina.
        1. opus
          opus 17 June 2016 20: 07
          +1
          Quote: Stalker.1977
          land, from the best points, from the continent, you have to wait a long time until a window is provided, etc. and so on

          1. At the Sea Launch, the same positional launch areas are limited (shipping, falling steps, ecology, etc.)


          The main launch area is the equatorial zone near Christmas Island in the Pacific Ocean.
          2. The Big Problem: Launch Failure (TK Drain, Lowers Launch, Transportation to the Plant) Several Thousand Miles (Tens)

          3. In case of an accident, the damage is still the same (the steppes of Kazakhstan will seem like a children's paradise
          and although kerosene is not UDMH, however ...

          and yes:


          increase in the speed of the launch vehicle (due to the tangential speed of the launching point due to the daily rotation of the Earth), the Taiga object (Baikonur) = in 316 m / s.
          For comparison: this indicator for the equator (MS) = 465 m / s.
      2. volot-voin
        volot-voin 17 June 2016 16: 05
        +6
        Quote: CORNET
        We do not need "sea launch .." .... All this garbage!

        Sea launch will allow launching devices from the equator, for example.
        1. CORNET
          CORNET 17 June 2016 16: 17
          0
          Quote: volot-voin
          Quote: CORNET
          We do not need "sea launch .." .... All this garbage!

          Sea launch will allow launching devices from the equator, for example.

          Calculate our costs ... hi Let it ride...
          1. volot-voin
            volot-voin 17 June 2016 16: 28
            +2
            Quote: CORNET
            Calculate our costs ... hi Let it be, as it will be

            Do you propose to abandon space programs, for what is expensive?
            Quote: CORNET
            We all dreamed of being astronauts and pilots ..

            What's bad about it?
            1. CORNET
              CORNET 17 June 2016 16: 41
              -3
              Quote: volot-voin
              Quote: CORNET
              Calculate our costs ... hi Let it be, as it will be

              Do you propose to abandon space programs, for what is expensive?

              We built our own spaceport ...! And then it will be very interesting .... hi
              1. volot-voin
                volot-voin 17 June 2016 16: 46
                0
                Quote: CORNET
                We built our own spaceport ...! And then it will be very interesting ....

                Built, I hope it will be interesting. Do you think that in vain? Should you have given money to the "poor"?
              2. opus
                opus 17 June 2016 20: 16
                +3
                Quote: CORNET
                We built our own spaceport ...! And then it will be very interesting.


                1. The fall zone of the separated parts of the launch vehicle at launch from the Vostochny spaceport

                Altogether East will require allocation of at least 80 000-100 000 square kilometers of land to the fall areas on the lands of the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia), Amur Region, Khabarovsk Territory, Sakhalin Region, Magadan Region and other Far Eastern constituent entities of the Russian Federation. The nature of Eastern Siberia and the Far East is no less sensitive to any environmental damage than the nature of the North, and therefore any damage, in Eastern Siberia and the Far East, will subsequently be paid at a high price.
                2. East gives + 358 m / s

                and MS + 465 m / s
                3. Next to the “in the open field” cosmodrome, from scratch, build a new industrial city Tsiolkovsky with a population of 50 000-100 000 people, incur tremendous costs and deploy new production of large-sized missile units in place, but about the full use of existing production capacities of the Russian Far East speech is out of the question.
                trillions of rubles

                the former secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU on defense issues, the Minister of General Engineering of the USSR Oleg Baklanov, and the head of the Baikonur Research and Testing Department, Evgeny Gudilin, spoke out : “In general, it is not clear why such a spaceport is needed ?! What m .... chose a construction site ?! ”
                all large-sized parts are manufactured by hzg (for 5-7 km) and transported by railway to the "end of the world"
                -------------------------------------------------- ---
                Sea Launch - a unique automated system of prelaunch preparation, refueling and launch
                +
                unique launch sequence diagram (note: launch of the PAS-9 spacecraft using the Zenit-3SL launch vehicle).

                RN: Soyuz launching satellites into specified orbits carried out according to the scheme with continuous operation of propulsion systems of all stages.In this case, launchers effects will be observed at a considerable distance from the starting point.
                1. pimen
                  pimen 17 June 2016 21: 02
                  0
                  in my opinion, a sea launch has its drawbacks: delivering a rocket to an offshore platform (at least an extra shift), unrest at sea (can you lower a rocket?), besides, launching heavy rockets is hardly possible
                  1. opus
                    opus 17 June 2016 21: 54
                    +1
                    Quote: pimen
                    in my opinion, the sea launch has minuses: rocket delivery to the offshore platform

                    Zenit-SSL compact missile (based on Zenit-2 + RB

                    railway, car, plane
                    it was created as an SC for the launch vehicle with a launch interval of 90 minutes (a unique technology)
                    Angara and Proton = "resting"


                    Ideal for USA



                    rockets "lost weight over time" -logistics / money
                    Data on missile launches over the past twenty years is a graph of the number of launches depending on the largest diameter of the stage (the widest tank).
                    1. opus
                      opus 17 June 2016 21: 59
                      +1
                      "engineering excellence" lost money



                      Only fools have "fucking shit gabbare 3,7 meters)

                      Quote: pimen
                      besides, launching heavy missiles is hardly possible at all


                      Such will no longer be (and not needed)

                      satellites "shrink"
                      here it is necessary to consider:
                      free 465 m / s and LV of light class at the equatorial
                      or 316 m / s and Baikonur with N-1 L
                      1. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 18 June 2016 04: 45
                        +2
                        The carrier based on RD-170 (Energy, or another) is made in 2 months or in half a year without straining. So far, their halves are slavishly provided to the United States for their Atlas launch vehicle, while Roscosmos is sucking its paw and “doing” something to divert its eyes with Angara. yes
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      3. siberalt
        siberalt 17 June 2016 16: 47
        +5
        Sea launch should work for Russia. It was created for commercial purposes, but investing in it, with our financial policies, is quite risky.
        1. CORNET
          CORNET 17 June 2016 16: 52
          -6
          Quote: siberalt
          Sea launch should work for Russia. It was created for commercial purposes, but investing in it, with our financial policies, is quite risky.

          Freeze it until he tries .... Sooner! hi
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 17 June 2016 22: 36
          +1
          Quote: siberalt
          but investing in it, with our financial policies, is quite risky.



          But we already invested in it nowhere at all, having bought a significant share of Americans and Norwegians ...

          So it will be a shame to sell it for a penny to the same Boeing, who diligently stirs up the water ...

          And in our scientific and production environment, there are undercover games that have nothing to do with understanding what is necessary for the benefit of the state, and not the realization of their own ambitions ... Unfortunately, these games are not amenable to real control and analysis (with our system) ...
      4. Proxima
        Proxima 17 June 2016 19: 04
        +8
        Quote: CORNET
        We do not need "sea launch .." .... All this garbage!

        WELL HOW IS IT "NOT NEEDED" !? If a rocket takes off near the equator, then it is already rushing at a speed of about 450 m / s. This speed is given by the Earth by its rotation. Imagine that a 500-ton rocket needs to reach a speed of 0,5 km / s. How much fuel do you need to spend? Moreover, the speed increment from 0 m / s is the MOST ENERGY COSTS (Obert's law). And here, please - free energy! Not to mention that maritime logistics are the most efficient. In a word, there are a lot of "pluses"! There is only one "minus" - this is our "effort" to combine high space technologies with the psychology of a bazaar stall.
        1. Operator
          Operator 17 June 2016 21: 10
          +2
          The speed of rotation of the Earth in the area of ​​the Vostochny cosmodrome is not zero, but about 350 m / s. The difference with the equator ("Sea Launch") is 100-110 m / s. The effective launch speed of the payload into low reference orbit is 10000 m / s. Those. the difference in the acceleration speeds of the last stage of the launch vehicle from the Vostochny cosmodrome and the Sea Launch equatorial platform is one percent.

          When starting from Vostochny, there is completely no risk of falling worked-out steps to settlements or to the territory of foreign states, which will result in costs or fines of hundreds of millions of dollars.

          Unlike Baikonur, from which they launch, incl. The "Proton" launch vehicle with poisonous UDMH + AT fuel, the Vostochny one, was originally intended for the operation of launch vehicles running on oxygen-kerosene fuel (Angara) and environmentally friendly oxygen-methane fuel (Phoenix). In the latter case, the entire remainder of the fuel evaporates before the steps fall off the ground.

          To these advantages of Vostochny is added full national control over it and the delivery routes of launch vehicles, fuel and payload (given the many launches of military satellites).

          In addition to the launch pad, the cosmodrome must have a so-called. assembly and testing complex in the form of a hangar, where assembly and testing of the assembled launch vehicle takes place. In contrast to the ground-based cosmodrome, the Sea Launch floating platform had a small-sized primitive MIC, located on a separate ship. The risk of a launch failure increased significantly.
      5. naraevskij1957
        naraevskij1957 17 June 2016 19: 34
        +1
        Right! It is better to "finish off" one to 100% than "blur" into two
      6. russkiy redut
        russkiy redut 17 June 2016 21: 45
        0
        We wish our designers, engineers, the leading staff of good luck and wisdom in their difficult task. Let Russia glorify once again!
  2. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 17 June 2016 15: 47
    -4
    Roscosmos is a loot, still that ...
    1. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 17 June 2016 16: 40
      +5
      And NASA is a super-economical option.
    2. Pirogov
      Pirogov 17 June 2016 16: 56
      +11
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      Roscosmos is a loot, still that ...

      It’s better to keep and cheaper to grow space than for example one oligarch.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 17 June 2016 18: 35
        +4
        That Roskosmos, that the oligarch - a difference of zero. It causes direct damage to the country no worse. Over the past five years, the main rocket has changed three times - first this Energy, then the Angara, now the Phoenix ... And the boats are changing just like gloves - the story with Clipper and the Federation is still heard. And they are rejecting the next project already at the final stage of readiness - and immediately starting a new one, again demanding tens of billions.
  3. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 17 June 2016 15: 47
    +6
    The absence of a really interested party in a "sea launch" for the Russian needs is the disastrous result that we now have.
  4. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 17 June 2016 15: 47
    +5
    It seems to me that the platform and the ship, if at the price of scrap metal our should buy and develop this topic to a working condition.
  5. Buffet
    Buffet 17 June 2016 16: 15
    +4
    Clear business that dark business. A missile is of course more serious than an airplane or a tank, therefore the management is obliged to oversee these issues. And that the change would come. So it turns out that as in the article How to Kill the Space Industry, it all starts with the exam.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 17 June 2016 18: 38
      +2
      And most importantly, all these efforts to kill the space and all other industries are a deliberate policy. That was originally conceived. But ... For what purpose? What are you trying to achieve?
    2. pilot67
      pilot67 17 June 2016 19: 00
      +1
      Totally agree
  6. Torins
    Torins 17 June 2016 16: 17
    +5
    This platform was built before my eyes, it is unfortunate that this unique project is waiting for such a sad end ((
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 17 June 2016 16: 20
      0
      Quote: Torins
      This platform was built before my eyes, it is unfortunate that this unique project is waiting for such a sad end ((

      Don't worry like that hi ... No time for this project yet!
      1. volot-voin
        volot-voin 17 June 2016 16: 33
        +4
        Quote: CORNET
        Don’t worry so hi ... No time for this project yet!

        The time will come when the US will create a military base on the moon? Will they build a sea launch? When do you think this time will come?
        1. CORNET
          CORNET 17 June 2016 16: 50
          +1
          Quote: volot-voin
          Quote: CORNET
          Don’t worry so hi ... No time for this project yet!

          The time will come when the US will create a military base on the moon? Will they build a sea launch? When do you think this time will come?

          They won’t have time ..... The machine will stop them, from overheating ... hi It's time to pay! And if not, we will fight .... And we will fight hard ..! We need our money!
          I spoke directly and I think everyone understood what I mean ..! hi Gentlemen, it’s time to return the money ... (and a lot .. otherwise ..))))
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 June 2016 17: 31
          +1
          The moon is no longer interesting to them - they are now interested in Mars.
          1. Rader
            Rader 17 June 2016 19: 19
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            The moon is no longer interesting to them - they are now interested in Mars.

            There are tons of different useful things on the moon wink One helium 3 worth! In addition, it will be much cheaper to fly to Mars in transit through the Moon ... In short, the Moon is the key, the key to the riches of space! Therefore, the words that we won’t wake up thinking about it before the mid-thirties would put me in a stupor ... And the situation with the launch vehicles is not encouraging, especially with the super-heavy ones (throwing weight up to 100 tons). In this context, fuss with a sea launch does not surprise ...
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 17 June 2016 20: 24
              0
              Helium 3 will "be worth something" when thermonuclear energy is mastered on earth.
              1. opus
                opus 17 June 2016 23: 04
                +3
                Quote: Vadim237
                Helium 3 will be "worth something"

                no, it still "costs": 930 USD per liter in 2009, now the auction price of helium-3 fluctuates around $ 2000 per liter, moreover, no downward trends are observed

                The total amount of helium-3 in the Earth’s atmosphere is estimated just in 35 000 t. Its release from the mantle into the atmosphere (through volcanoes and faults in the crust) is several kilograms per year.

                MRI:To obtain a signal that can be detected and separated from noise, a superconducting magnet is required - only he can create a magnetic field with induction of the order of 1 − 3 T.
                Not for nothing that in 1966, the French physicist Alfred Kastler received the Nobel Prize with the wording “For the discovery and development of optical methods for studying Hertz resonances in atoms”. He dealt with the issues of optical polarization of spin systems - that is, just the "magnetization" of gases (in particular, helium-3) using optical pumping at resonant absorption of circularly polarized photons.
                The hyperpolarized Xenon-129 has long been replaced by Helium-3.
                -main part helium-3 is used to make neutron detectors that are used in nuclear material detection devices.
                -cryogenic industry= To achieve ultra-low temperatures, the so-called dissolution refrigerator is used, which uses the effect of dissolving helium-3 in helium-4. At temperatures below 0,87 K, the mixture is divided into two phases - rich in helium-3 and helium-4. The transition between these phases requires energy, and this makes it possible to cool to very low temperatures - of the order of 0,02 K.
                Before the supply of helium-3 in the cooling system was exhausted, the Planck orbital observatory managed to make five sky shots in the microwave range.
                Planck - registration of CMB anisotropy (with a temperature near 2,7 K) with high resolution using 48 HFI bolometric detectors (High Frequency Instrument) cooled to 0,1 K
                ===========================================

                The only way to get helium-3 is to break down tritium.
            2. weksha50
              weksha50 17 June 2016 22: 42
              0
              Quote: Rader
              In short, the Moon is the key, the key to the riches of space!



              Ahem ... And it never crossed your mind that we have not yet learned how to use our real states effectively ???

              Moon ... Mars ... Helium-3 ... Martian apples ...
              We still do not really use our nearby outer space ... Unfortunately, ...
              1. opus
                opus 17 June 2016 23: 06
                +2
                Quote: weksha50
                We are not really using our nearby outer space.

                we have already dirtied him




                We must move to Mars
                -------------------------------------------------- -

                I recommend NF the story of J. White “Deadly trash”
    2. opus
      opus 17 June 2016 20: 26
      +5
      Quote: Torins
      This platform was built before my eyes,

      belay
      Are you from Japan? Do you live in Yokosuka?
      Maybe not in the know:
      The former OCEAN ODYSSEY, a self-propelled oil platform built in Yokosuka, Japan in 1982 — 1984, was used as a launch platform.

      Or in Vyborg (why did that "take you" to Ukraine?)
      The 1992 platform underwent repairs and refurbishment at the Vyborg Shipyard.

      Or are you hanging out in Norway (Stavanger)?

      In 1996 — 1997 at the Norwegian shipyard Rosenberg in Stavanger, they mounted the platform
      special equipment for launches, and it became known as "Odyssey."

      Illy did you mean SCS?

      Then you are either a Scotsman, or my "fellow countryman" (why did you "carry off" to Ukraine?)
      The Sea Launch Commander assembly and command ship (SCS) was built specifically for the Sea Launch project by Kvaerner Govan Ltd., Glasgow, Scotland in 1997
      . The 1998 SCS was retrofitted at the Kanonersky shipyard, St. Petersburg

      fool
  7. CORNET
    CORNET 17 June 2016 16: 28
    +3
    Flights to Mars, the Moon, etc. while canceled ... There are too many devils on earth! We’ll kill everyone, and then we will calmly take up space work! This is the dream of all the children of the USSR! We all dreamed of being astronauts and pilots ... Many did not succeed ..! But we will help our sons and grandchildren in this ... Cover you! soldier
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 June 2016 17: 35
      +1
      "Flights to Mars, the Moon, etc. are canceled for now ... There are too many devils on earth! So we will soak everyone, and then calmly we will be engaged in space development" - By this time they may no longer be needed, since the Moon and Mars will be in charge others.
  8. Engineer
    Engineer 17 June 2016 16: 35
    +6
    It seems that these fears are secretly shared by those who, for a number of reasons, have relied on Angara. Otherwise, how to explain that at the last moment an item on the development of the Phoenix LV got into the draft PCF?

    These are carriers of different classes, if you do not understand.
    At first, it was said that this carrier would be developing the Progress Rocket and Space Center (RCC). ... However, in the end it turned out that the same Khrunichev firm would be engaged in the project

    Phoenix is ​​Soyuz-5, with LNG engines. Unions are engaged in Samara.
  9. Army soldier2
    Army soldier2 17 June 2016 16: 42
    +3
    The article is interesting, but not unambiguous. 36 launches in 17 years is hardly a successful project. The author's references to the fact that Sea Launch ensured the preservation of jobs and technologies, in my opinion, does not stand up to criticism. If the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome had begun before 1998, this construction would have provided all this as well.
    I had to, let's say, promptly accompany the cooperation of the RF-US and RF-NATO in the field of anti-missile defense. Our sworn friends openly pursued one goal - to "lick" our technologies and in no case to admit Russia to Euro-missile defense and US missile defense.
    The share of Russia (RSC Energia) in the authorized capital of the company (25%) and Boeing (40%) somewhat reminds me of the situation “your technologies, our management.
    We have Plesetsk, Vostochny, Baikonur on lease. Of course, I would like to have a "Sea Launch", the money has nowhere to go. This is something like crying to the VO about the aircraft carriers: let's build 10 of them, and then figure out what to do with them.
    Well, links to sources in the military-industrial complex are generally bad news.
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 17 June 2016 17: 06
      +2
      Quote: Army 2
      If the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome had begun before 1998, this construction would have provided all this as well.

      Launches from a sea launch make it possible to put large loads into orbit at lower costs. If only for this reason it is more effective than Vostochny. And it's not worth scattering technology at all.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 17 June 2016 18: 37
        0
        Launches from the sea launch make it possible to launch large cargoes into orbit at a lower cost. ,,
        and somebody thought what was (costing) this very launch. It was necessary to maintain it and transport it and its missiles.
    2. pilot67
      pilot67 17 June 2016 18: 58
      0
      By the way, they began to build Vostochny in 80. Then it was called Svobodny. And the address for the letters was r / n Golenki. My uncle installed it there. If that, then this is the former missile unit.
      1. opus
        opus 17 June 2016 22: 12
        +2
        Quote: pilot67
        By the way, the East began to build in 80. Then it was called Free.

        yeah ...
        fool
        A small problem.
        1.On 1 in March 1996 by decree of the president, the 2 State Testing Cosmodrome of the Ministry of Defense of Russia was formed here.

        March 4 1997 the launch of the Start 1.2 launch vehicle with the Zeya spacecraft on board began the history of the Russian Svobodny spaceport. The launch was carried out from a mobile launcher of the "Topol" type.
        and you "in the 80s" uncle "edited"
        2.
        Free: 51 ° 49 ′ s. w. 128 ° 18 ′ c. d.
        East: 51 ° 53′04 ″ s. w. 128 ° 20′05 ″ c. d.
        1 degree of longitude is 1 / 360 part of the length of the meridian (as a circle). 40 000 / 360 = 111.111 km. For each different latitude, the value of 1 degrees in km will be different, you can expand by the formula (I don’t remember the formula), but at the equator it is equal to 111 km and decreases to zero at the poles.

        3. In 2011, the technical and preliminary design of "B" was started
        what kind of durimar will TiEP carry out if your uncle installed the "eastern" in the 80s? and even 20-30 km to the south and 30 km to the east?
        4.Zy. to "B" they specially pulled a railway line 30 km long
        hi
  10. hunt1
    hunt1 17 June 2016 16: 50
    +3
    everyone pulls the blanket over themselves and the whole space industry suffers. These disassemblies between the two pillars of our astronautics did not start yesterday, I think they were combined into one corporation in many respects because of this. It's sad to watch all this. But I still consider the integration into a single corporation a positive step and I hope all differences will be resolved and MOON and most importantly MARS will be ours! fellow
    1. pilot67
      pilot67 17 June 2016 19: 05
      +1
      Forgive me those who do not like Stalin. But with the current showdown, you can and probably need to revive sharashki. And then there will be no sandboxes, my corner, my middle. Everyone will be in one position.
  11. CORNET
    CORNET 17 June 2016 16: 59
    +2
    Lost this sign, many ... and sell the country to the right and to the x ....
    I read komenty and grab onto the heart. Well, you and svol.ochi .... All for sale ..
    1. pilot67
      pilot67 17 June 2016 19: 07
      +1
      More OGPU, MGB, SMERSH.
      1. CORNET
        CORNET 17 June 2016 20: 19
        0
        Quote: pilot67
        More OGPU, MGB, SMERSH.


        All the same .... And you stayed the same .. !!!! hi
  12. Verdun
    Verdun 17 June 2016 17: 03
    +4
    If Roscosmos is really concerned about the fate of the Sea Launch, you can only support this initiative. It will allow to get a new version of truly independent access to orbit for Russia, and it is very effective.
    All this is sad. It is painful to watch when in the course of an underhanded struggle, waged for the sake of completely non-scientific and non-national interests of specific individuals, good scientific and design developments merge into the toilet. It is hoped that at least the space industry will be able to free itself from oligarchic influence. Although the hope, alas, is rather weak ... ((
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 17 June 2016 17: 18
      +1
      Quote: Verdun
      If Roscosmos is really concerned about the fate of the Sea Launch, you can only support this initiative. It will allow to get a new version of truly independent access to orbit for Russia, and it is very effective.
      All this is sad. It is painful to watch when in the course of an underhanded struggle, waged for the sake of completely non-scientific and non-national interests of specific individuals, good scientific and design developments merge into the toilet. It is hoped that at least the space industry will be able to free itself from oligarchic influence. Although the hope, alas, is rather weak ... ((

      Hope is very weak ..... almost hopeless ..!
      1. volot-voin
        volot-voin 17 June 2016 17: 27
        +2
        Quote: CORNET
        Hope is very weak ..... almost hopeless ..!

        Yes, unfortunately, such initiatives can be buried. When will he finally be imprisoned?
        1. Samarin
          Samarin 17 June 2016 17: 38
          -1
          Quote: volot-voin
          When will he finally be imprisoned?

          Is this the scapegoat animal? And is it the same one?
          1. CORNET
            CORNET 17 June 2016 17: 47
            0
            Give mushrooms ...)))) Go on! bully
      2. pilot67
        pilot67 17 June 2016 19: 09
        +1
        In general, it is necessary to send the redhead to Kamchatka. Let all the furry ones hang tags on their skins there. All will be the benefit of taking into account living creatures.
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 17 June 2016 20: 00
          0
          Quote: pilot67
          In general, it is necessary to send the redhead to Kamchatka. Let all the furry ones hang tags on their skins there. All will be the benefit of taking into account living creatures.

          In no case! So you will not save any living creatures. Yes, and sorry for the animals ... Imagine yourself in the place of a bear preparing for hibernation. Voucher is a bad substitute for salmon.
      3. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 17 June 2016 20: 05
        -1
        As long as Putin is in power, this red cattle and utter thief will feel great!
  13. Samarin
    Samarin 17 June 2016 17: 23
    +1
    In Russia now all the money and money, rowing faster loot in your pocket, and Cosmos ...... but no one needs it here, unfortunately. sad
  14. Vadim237
    Vadim237 17 June 2016 17: 26
    +2
    "Angara 5V with a lifting capacity of 35 tons - its maiden flight is scheduled for 2026". The Mask has a Falcon Heavy with a carrying capacity of 54 tons and will fly by the end of this year. "Superheavy problems" - there is only one superheavy problem in our cosmonautics - Roscosmos.
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 17 June 2016 17: 34
      +5
      Quote: Vadim237
      "Angara 5V with a lifting capacity of 35 tons - its maiden flight is scheduled for 2026". The Mask has a Falcon Heavy with a carrying capacity of 54 tons and will fly by the end of this year.

      Having ruined the development of the Energia launch vehicle, which could fly 25 years ago and in different versions could carry from 100 to 200 tons! - we dream of having an "Angara" lifting 2026 tons by 35. am Your maman! ((
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 June 2016 17: 48
        0
        Now, in the superheavy rocket building relay race, the United States took the lead, with the SLS rocket with a carrying capacity of 70 to 130 tons, and this rocket will fly at the end of 2018.
    2. Samarin
      Samarin 17 June 2016 17: 36
      0
      Quote: Vadim237
      Superheavy problems "- there is only one superheavy problem in our cosmonautics - Roscosmos.

      super-heavy cuts in the problem of "Roscosmos", where vidmo is run by the "best friend" of the self-aware.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 June 2016 18: 25
      +1
      The Mask of space plans seems to be full -
  15. Torins
    Torins 17 June 2016 20: 38
    0
    Quote: opus
    Quote: Torins
    This platform was built before my eyes,

    belay
    Are you from Japan? Do you live in Yokosuka?
    [/B]
    fool

    in Vyborg, it was built, the Vyborg shipyard. Maybe not completely, but for three years it was built there, I also have pictures on the soap dish made in the family album hi
    1. opus
      opus 17 June 2016 22: 18
      +2
      Quote: Torins
      in Vyborg, it was built, Vyborg shipyard

      what did i write?
      Quote: opus
      Or in Vyborg(why did you get carried away to Ukraine?)
      The 1992 platform underwent repairs and refurbishment at the Vyborg Shipyard.

      refitted !!!!! but not built!
      she was built
      Quote: opus
      The former self-propelled oil production platform OCEAN ODYSSEY was used as a launch platform, built in Yokosuka, Japan in 1982 — 1984 years.

      Customer Ocean Drilling & Exploration Company (ODECO) Contractor Sumitomo Heavy Industries, cost US $ 110 million.



      Then there was a fire ...
      then Vyborg, then Norway, then again Vyborg ship repair
      Quote: Torins
      I also have pictures on the soap dish made in the family album

      I have a lot of things ...
  16. Torins
    Torins 17 June 2016 21: 10
    0
    Quote: Torins
    Quote: opus
    Quote: Torins
    This platform was built before my eyes,

    belay
    Are you from Japan? Do you live in Yokosuka?
    [/B]
    fool

    in Vyborg, it was built, the Vyborg shipyard. Maybe not completely, but for three years it was built there, I also have pictures on the soap dish made in the family album hi

    In general, I'm not from Ukraine, I have a vacation, my wife and I went to my mother-in-law))
    1. opus
      opus 17 June 2016 22: 25
      +1
      Quote: Torins
      In general, I'm not from Ukraine, I have a vacation, my wife and I went to my mother-in-law))

      Well, call me.
      So vyborzhets?
      "neighbour"?
      I then her (platform) in Norway matured
  17. 1536
    1536 17 June 2016 21: 19
    0
    I was always amazed at how, with the equipment, trained people working on it, capable of making money, organizing this production in a promising business, some crooks come in and begin to take it all away, plunder, close and cut it.
    Although why be surprised? Everyone probably knows, and many saw how the bark beetle destroys entire forests, centuries-old oaks, pines. Such a little, gluttonous and does not get fat at all. But there is no forest. And he doesn’t make out the Russian forest, or someone else’s. Only in someone else’s forest they destroy it, do not let it multiply, because then it will cost more to itself. And our freebie continues.
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 June 2016 05: 06
    0
    Sea launch can and is beneficial when launching missiles from the equator,
    but enemies will send against this platform, as it were, pirates and profit, sobsno like the platform ...
    So the project is certainly good and necessary, but not in these conditions.
  19. romex1
    romex1 18 June 2016 06: 01
    +1
    Quote: opus
    Quote: sharp-lad
    Ltd! Dolbolob showed up!

    mutant


    rather mudant ...
  20. cedar
    cedar 18 June 2016 08: 50
    0
    Quote: kotvov
    Launches from the sea launch make it possible to launch large cargoes into orbit at a lower cost. ,,

    and somebody thought what was (costing) this very launch. It was necessary to maintain it and transport it and its missiles.


    We, dear, in 2014 "flowed" over the hillock 154 in greenery, in 000 another 000 in total for the two previous years, uncle who Sam shook out of our pockets $ 000! We multiply by the ruble exchange rate, so two things came to mind ... As a result, fuck you, not high technologies, aircraft and rocketry and Space with its Moon and Mars and Helium-2015. For some reason, "The Musk plans for space apparently full" and money, our money, dear. Sadly, but true, the competitors are overwhelming.
    Experts say that the damage from the activities of the pro-Western Central Bank of the Russian Federation is greater than from the fall in oil prices, from sanctions and from the financial crisis combined! And this is about the Head Bank of Russia. "Having lost their heads about their hair, they don't cry!" Namely about them there is another latent sadness.
    Putin in the first term, which in fact went to the second Chechen and Georgian Ossetian, and in fact the Izrayl-Russian, tried three times to take the Central Bank, but the Anglo-Saxons did not and will not give if the people do not support, because how to take not long, but go and hold ... Bulk will be cruel!
    That's when, at the Victory parade, behind the Victory banner passed to us by the Victors, the Central Bank of Russia, who have conquered and held, will go and the state machine will roll in front of military equipment to print sovereign Russian rubles working for Russia, including Space. Then it will be us, you happiness. Victory gained in competitive ... battles.
  21. syuromyatnov
    syuromyatnov 18 June 2016 12: 26
    0
    Khrunichevites are not concerned about the development of promising launch vehicles for Russia, but about their monopoly and financial position. It is necessary to build promising superheavy missiles. on the basis of RD-170-171 so as not to bite your elbows later.
  22. Torins
    Torins 18 June 2016 16: 39
    0
    Quote: opus
    Quote: Torins
    In general, I'm not from Ukraine, I have a vacation, my wife and I went to my mother-in-law))

    Well, call me.
    So vyborzhets?
    "neighbour"?
    I then her (platform) in Norway matured

    How to say, I lived half of my life in Vyborg, my father lives there) And in general I am a Belarusian from the Minsk region))