Russian defense industry will not wait forever to improve relations with the EU

A return to the Russian-French development of the BMP "Atom" is possible, but Russian defense enterprises are not going to wait long to improve relations with Western partners, reports RIA News Statement by Rosoboronexport CEO Anatoly Isaikin.

“Hypothetically, the continuation of cooperation is always possible, but if this pause arising from the sanctions continues for another year or two, then what is the point for us to enter into some kind of cooperation? During this time, a new cooperation will certainly emerge, ”said Isaikin.

According to him, “the Russian defense industry with its new developments will simply not wait for the geopolitical situation to improve, since it is economically unprofitable.”

The Atom BMP project was first introduced in Nizhni Tagil in 2013. Initially, the machine was developed by the Russian Central Research Institute Burevestnik (included in Uralvagonzavod) and the French Renault Trucks Defense. As part of this cooperation, the Russian Federation proposed the “Baikal” combat module with an 57-mm gun.

Then, due to the sanctions imposed, the French firm was replaced by Emirates Defense Technologies, which produces the Enigma armored vehicle chassis.

In addition, the director general of UVZ, Oleg Sienko, recently reported on the development of the issue of creating a “joint venture with Kazakhstan, which has a new import licensing platform.”

Comments

[Observer2014]

Just one question. Why do we need BMP "Atom" (What's in the photo) if we have a "Boomerang" Which has been participating in the Victory Day parade on May 9 for two years already?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Observer2014

Why do we need BMP "Atom" (What's in the photo) if we have "Boomerang"

For export push.

[ava09]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Observer2014

Why do we need BMP "Atom" (What's in the photo) if we have "Boomerang"

For export push.

Like the Mistrals? There is a Russian proverb for such cases: "The law is not written, if it is written, then it is not read, if it is read, it is not understood, if it is understood, then it is wrong." Does it remind you of anything and nobody?

[cniza]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Observer2014

Why do we need BMP "Atom" (What's in the photo) if we have "Boomerang"

For export push.

Such joint projects are created for sale to third countries.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ava09

Like the Mistrals?

This one we had according to plan was produced.

Quote: ava09

Reminds nothing and nobody?

Reminds! And it reminds us of what is on the site, everyone knows how and what needs to be done in any crisis situation for the country, better than the president.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: Observer2014

Why do we need BMP "Atom" ... if we have "Boomerang"

Well, let's start with the fact that the "Boomerang" shown at the parades is an APC, and "Atom" is an BMP Although, on the platform of the first and BMP and self-propelled gun mounts are going to produce. In general, I have no answer to your question - the answer, apparently, lies in the field of sacred knowledge. We are all talking about unification, but in fact ..

[Observer2014]

Ami du peuple

Well, let's start with the fact that "Boomerang" is an armored personnel carrier, and "ATOM" is an infantry fighting vehicle smile

AND! Well yes. Really iron argument How long is this "shed" "Atom" in height? Judging by the photo, it is planned to enter it from the rear, so to speak, without bending your head.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Observer2014

Just one question. Why do we need BMP "Atom" (What's in the photo) if we have a "Boomerang" Which has been participating in the Victory Day parade on May 9 for two years already?

Serial deliveries of "Boomerang" are scheduled for this year
As for cooperation with Western "colleagues" - it depends on how you look at it ...
Somewhere this cooperation plays into our hands, as is the case with the same "Mistrals". Yes, it all ended on "zeros". But we lose sight of the fact that we, our military-industrial complex got a good kick out of this, not in terms of money. And in terms of developing competence for vessels of this class, which we did not have. We just didn't build them. Our western partners are pursuing the same goals. Why "reinvent the wheel" and throw insane for many money into development or take risks with industrial espionage. In the modern world, this is done in a gentlemanly way, with a gloss
Stirred up the topic with the "Atom", gave a small handful of Eureka and went mowing technologies that the French lacked. After all, the French Atom has a silhouette of a concept and a Renault engine
Corps "Uralvagonzavod", respectively, our armor. Armament - combat module BM-57, based on our own 57 mm. automatic cannon. Where is the guarantee that something did not stick to the French during the "development" of a promising infantry fighting vehicle?
We can recall the story of the "joint" development with the Italians of combat training aircraft, which in 1993-2000 was conducted by the design bureau named after. Yakovleva and Alenia Aeromacchi. The Italians had their own engines. Gliders could not be made. Developed a prototype. Some kind of delays and a break in relations began. After some time, two twins are exhibited at Farnborough - our Yak-130 and the Italian M-346. We ourselves "gave birth" to a competitor who has already taken away several orders from us

[Altona]

Quote: Observer2014

Just one question. Why do we need BMP "Atom" (What's in the photo) if we have a "Boomerang" Which has been participating in the Victory Day parade on May 9 for two years already?

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Another question is why do we need the French? The French are of interest only as a Thales company, producing modern optoelectronic systems, avionics, SLAs, surveillance devices and more.

[Blondy]

The answer, in my opinion, as in the case of the Mistrals, lies in the plane of the political, and not the economic - it is more difficult to see the enemy in who you cooperate with and trade with. And it is unlikely that eco-economic dividends played a major role here. But it did not grow together.

[Alexey-74]

I agree, I think this is just a commercial project.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Observer2014

we have a "Boomerang" Which has been participating in the Victory Day parade on May 9 for two years already.?

And where was he still lit up, except for the parade?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Bayonet

And where was he still lit up, except for the parade?

Here is a comrade writes - "... we have a" Boomerang "- where is it, at the parade or in the troops? Serial production is planned to begin in 2017. Cons for what?

[Maxom75]

He is so tall - it's a target on the battlefield. Why do we need this? We have a family of Armata, Boomerang, Kurganets. Why do we need this coffin on wheels? Maybe they wanted to make an analogue of a cannon tank, but for what? We get stuck in the mud.

[bulvas]

Quote: Maxom75

He is so tall - it's a target on the battlefield. Why do we need this? We have a family of Armata, Boomerang, Kurganets. Why do we need this coffin on wheels? Maybe they wanted to make an analogue of a cannon tank, but for what? We get stuck in the mud.

Height is not only a target, but also the first opportunity to detect the enemy and
destroy him.

Using drones, you can detect a low target as easy as a high

[bogdan4ik]

Boomerang not lower.

[ramzes1776]

It was originally made for export.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Maxom75

He is so tall - it's a target on the battlefield. Why do we need this?

Judging by the photo, the height is under 4 meters. The target is time. The second - try to climb on the armor on the go ... And to jump on the go - you will break your legs ... Of course, our airborne assault cannot be surprised by any height, but the native BMD-BMPs are somehow more familiar, closer to the ground.

And to cooperate with the bourgeois - "Mistrals" have not taught anything? Do they think the Arabs will be more honest, they will not bend under America like the French? I would not hope ... I do not think that there was at least one imported bolt in the BMD-1,2,3. In the 4, it is quite possible that the bolts are just Chinese. At least, in the construction markets, our self-tapping bolts have long been gone ...

[bulvas]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Quote: Maxom75

He is so tall - it's a target on the battlefield. Why do we need this?

Judging by the photo, the height is under 4 meters. The target is time. The second - try to climb on the armor on the go ... And to jump on the go - you will break your legs ... Of course, our airborne assault cannot be surprised by any height, but the native BMD-BMPs are somehow more familiar, closer to the ground.
...

Height is the result of a mine V - shaped bottom

Today this problem has turned out to be more important than the rest.

[Bureaucrat]

To the heap to the Mistals, the French will pull it. Where do they get from under the black boss.

[jetfors_84]

Is he transporting infantry while standing?

[aszzz888]

jetfors_84 (2) RU Today, 09:02 AM New
Is he transporting infantry while standing?

Yeah, transports. And the beds in it are three-tiered!

[Bayonet]

Quote: jetfors_84

Is he transporting infantry while standing?

Dimensions "Atom"
Body length, mm 8200
Case width mm 3000
Height, mm 2500

Dimensions BTR-80
Body length, mm 7650
Case width mm 2900
Height, mm 2350..2460
As you can see, the size difference is small

[Corsair0304]

To be honest, I don’t understand why we should cooperate with the French at this historical stage. They had one sensible leader - Charles de Gaulle, and after - not a single one. As a partner in the military-industrial plan, France consistently shows itself from the negative side. Some Mistrals will be hiccupping for the French government for years. By the way, where are these half-dumps now?
Only cooperate in order to put your Baikal module with a 57-mm cannon on the platform of their wheeled armored vehicles? Well, so to speak, it’s not important. And the tomb turned out bluntly .. grenade launcher's dream. In the photo behind the stern BMP men are standing, so they do not reach their heads to the top cut. I mean, the car body is more than two meters high ?! To go nuts, a colossal in the optical sight and a grenade launcher smile from ear to ear - this is easier to get into than miss.

[Pitot]

Business is nothing personal.

[Corsair0304]

Quote: jetfors_84

Is he transporting infantry while standing?

Quote: aszzz888

Yeah, transports. And the beds in it are three-tiered!

Yes, sort of sitting

[Observer2014]

Corsair0304

Yes, like sitting no

Not a. There it looks like sitting and standing places will be. You see in your photo to the ceiling like in a bus there are already two handrails screwed across the entire length.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Observer2014

In fact, in your photo on the ceiling like in a bus, there are already two handrails bolted across the entire length.

It is good, comfortable. By the way, did you notice the composter there?

[Corsair0304]

But the module itself is quite interesting:

[hirurg]

I think this is a purely commercial project. It is beneficial to us only in terms of financing and promotion in the arms markets oriented towards NATO standards.

[Alf]

Quote: hirurg

advancement in armament markets focused on NATO standards.

Guys ! Who will let us into NATO markets? Maybe it's time to forget the tales of fair competition in the arms markets? At one time they created the AK-101, -102 under the NATO cartridge. Are they sold to anyone?

[Ros 56]

And what is it that they themselves poorly develop a chassis for armored vehicles, or process something from the existing ones, because our engineers have enough experience. That you are all drawn to import, so I was convinced that with a few exceptions, in the form of a car, import is usually a beautiful package with average, or even lousy, quality content. I understand that we don’t grow bananas, kiwi, mango, etc., I haven’t seen pineapples in the fields either, but to drag potatoes from Egypt or Brazil is too much. And in terms of military equipment, well, to hell with us, the French, especially as they did with the Mistrals. Of course, to know what is being done behind the hill is very necessary for the overall development, but not to the same extent that without them we can’t do a chassis for the armor. Nonsense.

[avg-mgn]

Quote: hirurg

It is beneficial for us only in terms of financing and advancing arms standards-oriented NATO markets.

Somehow incorrectly you put it. Probably large countries using weapons by NATO standards will not rush to buy equipment from us. Rather, the countries of the third world, where high-quality and cheaper equipment is in demand.

[alex-cn]

What conversations can there be .... What is being done for third countries can be done in cooperation with anyone, but what is being done for the Russian Army can only be completely its own. (Another question is that if you managed to take the technology away from the "partner" and establish it yourself, it is almost sacred ...)

[atamankko]

The lesson with the Mistrals cannot be forgotten.

[rotmistr60]

Russian defense enterprises are not going to wait a long time improving relations with western partners

It’s hard not to agree. Worse than how to wait and catch up. Especially if you have to catch up after something is useless (to no avail) waiting.

[bad]

Quote: Observer2014

Just one question. Why do we need BMP "Atom" (What's in the photo) if we have a "Boomerang" Which has been participating in the Victory Day parade on May 9 for two years already?

... just like a colleague .. + a waste of resources ..

[Winnie76]

Quote: bad

bad (2) Today, 10:37 am New
Quote: Observer2014
Just one question. Why do we need BMP "Atom" (What's in the photo) if we have a "Boomerang" Which has been participating in the Victory Day parade on May 9 for two years already.? ... that's exactly how a colleague .. + a waste of resources ..

Make money ... Not?