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Some details about the domestic "stuffing" of the latest Russian airliner MS-21

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Last week a new Russian medium-haul airliner MC-21 was presented. One of the most actively discussed issues is related to aircraft configuration, based on the practice of import substitution. Rostec presents some details related to the technological components of the airliner. In particular, we are talking about the fact that a significant role in the design and creation of MC-21 is held by the holding "Technodinamika", whose specialists supplied the chassis components of the new airliner.

Some details about the domestic "stuffing" of the latest Russian airliner MS-21


We are talking about locks and hydraulic cylinders, which are characterized by an increased period of planned operation. The company's press service reports that the equipment produced by Tekhnodinamika and used on the MC-21 has improved weight and size characteristics and is designed for 60 thousands of takeoffs and landings and 80 thousands of flight hours. The set of components used on the demonstration liner confirmed the 250 take-off / landing resource base, which is quite enough for testing.

In addition to the chassis components, the Tekhnodinamika holding is developing other systems of the latest Russian airliner. We are talking about the aircraft power supply system and the emergency oxygen supply unit. This unit is capable of supplying all people (passengers and crew members) on the plane with oxygen in case of depressurization at altitudes up to 12,5 km.



Domestic developments from “Technodinamics” on MC-21 - stabilizer shift actuator, electric drive of cargo compartment doors, auxiliary power unit TD-901 with a range of selected electric power from 90-120 kVA. Adaptation of the installation for various onboard interfaces is based on the use of the FADEC system (Full Authority Digital Engine Control System) (ECM) and a high-quality system for tuning the aerodynamic parameters of the main aircraft components.

TD-901 uses technologies of the so-called “dry” engine support assemblies (not requiring lubrication), advanced electric generators, drives of hydraulic units of the fuel and oil systems that have digital control, as well as high-speed valve motors of suitable power efficiency.

The MC-21 aircraft family includes 2 models: MC-21-200 (132-165 passengers), MC-21-300 (163-211 passengers).
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technodinamika.ru
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  1. Andrey K
    Andrey K 14 June 2016 07: 14
    +21
    Some details about the domestic "stuffing" of the newest Russian airliner MS-21 ...
    Of course, it’s nice to read about domestic filling in domestic aircraft. And when will we read about the complete absence of imported components, in general?
    The article talks about the components of the chassis manufactured by us ... about components... not the whole chassis request
    Thank God our glider, composite wing, Perm motor good
    And then the attempts of import substitution begin No.
    1. Yuri from Volgograd
      Yuri from Volgograd 14 June 2016 07: 38
      +19
      Quote: Andrey K
      Some details about the domestic "stuffing" of the newest Russian airliner MS-21 ...
      Of course, it’s nice to read about domestic filling in domestic aircraft. And when will we read about the complete absence of imported components, in general?
      The article talks about the components of the chassis manufactured by us ... about components... not the whole chassis request
      Thank God our glider, composite wing, Perm motor good
      And then the attempts of import substitution begin No.

      The motor is not Perm yet. While shtatovsky. In general, honestly and so badly.
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 14 June 2016 07: 52
        +20
        Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
        The motor is not Perm yet. While shtatovsky. In general, honestly and so badly.

        I wrote about the Perm engine, since he, PD-14, specifically "sharpened" specifically for the MS-21 hi
        And on that sample that rolled out - Pratt & Whitney's PW1000G hi
        There are plans to install PW1000G on a batch of MC-21 aircraft intended for "custom order" delivery to foreign customers hi
        1. cniza
          cniza 14 June 2016 07: 59
          +11
          Nothing is said about the filling, but still well done, we can if we want.
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 14 June 2016 08: 02
            +4
            Respect to the creators
          2. FID
            FID 14 June 2016 08: 24
            +11
            Quote: cniza
            Nothing is said about the filling, but still well done, we can if we want.

            The control system of the company "Thales" (French), SCV (air conditioning system) - Germans ....
            Unfortunately, up to 50% is imported, and not "hardware", but "filling" ....
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 14 June 2016 09: 02
              +12
              Quote: SSI
              The control system of the company "Thales" (French), SCV (air conditioning system) - the Germans .... Unfortunately, up to 50% - import, and not "iron", but "filling" ....



              In the world no one builds airplanes or other complex products, completely from their components, and there is no point in this.

              There are components for which it makes no sense to create production.

              Gradually, if there is demand, they will begin to produce their own components, the degree of "import substitution" will increase

              The plane is in any case Russian, not German or French

              1. bogdan4ik
                bogdan4ik 14 June 2016 09: 09
                +5
                Domestic aircraft is when the main, most technologically advanced, as well as vital components and assemblies are made in Russia and exclude the remote control of the aircraft or remote, using on-board systems, killing crew and passengers.
              2. FID
                FID 14 June 2016 10: 13
                +6
                Quote: bulvas
                There are components for which it makes no sense to create production.

                Oh yes! It makes no sense to develop electronics !!! Let ALL control systems be imported ... We DO NOT NEED, DO NOT NEED to create our own microelectronics, software, etc. .... Anyway, the plane will be RUSSIAN ... Bravo to you, you are our patriot !!!
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                2. bulvas
                  bulvas 14 June 2016 11: 04
                  0
                  Quote: SSI
                  Quote: bulvas
                  There are components for which it makes no sense to create production.

                  Oh yes! It makes no sense to develop electronics !!! Let ALL control systems be imported ... We DO NOT NEED, DO NOT NEED to create our own microelectronics, software, etc. .... Anyway, the plane will be RUSSIAN ... Bravo to you, you are our patriot !!!


                  This is called - "he said and applauded to himself"

                  And what about microelectronics and software?

                  We are just doing it

                  1. FID
                    FID 14 June 2016 11: 46
                    0
                    Quote: bulvas

                    This is called - "he said and applauded to himself"

                    And what about microelectronics and software?

                    We are just doing it

                    Is that you about yourself? Can you name the components for which it makes no sense to start production ???
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                    2. bulvas
                      bulvas 14 June 2016 12: 55
                      0
                      Quote: SSI
                      Quote: bulvas

                      This is called - "he said and applauded to himself"

                      And what about microelectronics and software?

                      We are just doing it

                      Is that you about yourself?


                      No, it's me about you.

                      Quote: SSI
                      Can you name the components for which it makes no sense to start production ???



                      Amazing it's so hard to understand

                      If you need 1 component per aircraft, which you can buy, and it is planned to produce 175 such aircraft in a few years,

                      what to do:
                      - build a plant and develop technology, spending billions at the same time, or buy these few pieces?
                      - wait another 10-15 years, until the industry knows why it will learn to produce every screw and wire for its aircraft or buy these few pieces and start producing the aircraft?

                      In the future, if the aircraft goes into series, there will be firm orders, there will be other aircraft for which these components are required, it is possible to develop the production of components at some of the plants.
                      Some of the manufacturers will want to receive orders for components and try to organize their production themselves if they see that they are in demand

                      And why should I name these components?
                      To do this, there are specialists, economists who are able to calculate and determine what is more profitable, there is a limited budget that must be taken into account.

                      1. FID
                        FID 14 June 2016 13: 26
                        +4
                        Quote: bulvas
                        No, it's me about you.

                        No, this is not about me ... I never applaud myself, because I work in the aviation industry ... And I perfectly know the "components" that are needed for production, or rather, for the construction of aircraft ... They always speak well on TV, pardon me...
                3. vlad_vlad
                  vlad_vlad 14 June 2016 13: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: SSI
                  Quote: bulvas
                  There are components for which it makes no sense to create production.

                  Oh yes! It makes no sense to develop electronics !!! Let ALL control systems be imported ... We DO NOT NEED, DO NOT NEED to create our own microelectronics, software, etc. .... Anyway, the plane will be RUSSIAN ... Bravo to you, you are our patriot !!!



                  The electrician and components are the corrupt girls of imperialism and capitalism. They are there in capitalism basically частный medium and small business does. Nefig, nefig. We have another way — large state-owned projects will produce oil, sell and buy all the benefits of civilization.
              3. Alf
                Alf 14 June 2016 20: 21
                +1
                Quote: bulvas
                In the world no one builds airplanes or other complex products, completely from their components, and there is no point in this.

                Such planes were built in the Union and no one saw a problem in this.
                Quote: bulvas
                The plane is in any case Russian, not German or French

                Only the most important parts of it are foreign. It resembles a "domestic" yutafon.
              4. Tda tar
                Tda tar 30 May 2017 17: 23
                0
                Thales are military night sights in the first place. These technologies are developed through the sale of finished civilian equipment (including Russian). Technologies are intended to destroy primarily Russian soldiers (and the Russian population for them is also a "military target"). Technologies are not being transferred to Russia. Everything in the world is interconnected.
                Therefore, “components for the sake of which it makes no sense to create production” exist only if the entire economy is not “tailored” in the first place for NATO, which was created specifically for killing you personally. With the realization of this, the "sense" of "creating production" immediately arises. It would be nice sometimes to recall about the 30 million Russians who were killed in the previous clash just by “productions that did not make sense to create” and will be killed again without hesitation - in the absence of similar “productions” in Russia.
            2. evge-malyshev
              evge-malyshev 14 June 2016 09: 39
              +1
              Quote: SSI
              Unfortunately, up to 50% is imported, and not "hardware", but "filling" ....


              What is "hardware"? "filling"?
              1. FID
                FID 14 June 2016 10: 14
                +1
                Quote: evge-malyshev
                What is "hardware"? "filling"?

                Iron is a shell ... A chassis, for example ....
                1. evge-malyshev
                  evge-malyshev 14 June 2016 15: 39
                  -1
                  Quote: SSI
                  Iron is a shell ... A chassis, for example ....


                  A very peculiar interpretation of the aircraft system. Well, the filling, you need to understand - components?
            3. evge-malyshev
              evge-malyshev 14 June 2016 09: 39
              0
              Quote: SSI
              Unfortunately, up to 50% is imported, and not "hardware", but "filling" ....


              What is "hardware"? "filling"?
            4. Genry
              Genry 14 June 2016 13: 53
              +1
              Quote: SSI
              Management system of the company "Thales" (French),

              Avionics Russian!
              1. FID
                FID 14 June 2016 14: 32
                +2
                Quote: Genry
                Avionics Russian!

                What do you mean by avionics? Indicators in the cockpit are not all avionics, indicators are made in Ulyanovsk, they are controlled by NIIAO, but the helm control system is French, the automatic control system is NIIAO ... Excuse me, do you have any relation to aviation? You don’t need to bring messages from the TV, don’t ... If you are a specialist, let's talk in detail, and not like, do not need to produce components ...
          3. theadenter
            theadenter 14 June 2016 08: 25
            +3
            I hope the experience gained from the superjet will find application on a new plane.

            Shame on you, more than half of the planes in Russia - bought abroad, where does it fit?
            1. FID
              FID 14 June 2016 10: 15
              +1
              Quote: theadenter
              Shame on you, more than half of the planes in Russia - bought abroad, where does it fit?

              Over 80% of aircraft flying in domestic a / c - import ...
              1. iouris
                iouris 14 June 2016 11: 11
                +1
                There is no domestic market in the Russian Federation. When 95% of the volume of air transportation is provided by 5% of the population of the Russian Federation, what difference does it make to you?
                1. FID
                  FID 14 June 2016 13: 28
                  +3
                  Quote: iouris
                  There is no domestic market in the Russian Federation. When 95% of the volume of air transportation is provided by 5% of the population of the Russian Federation, what difference does it make to you?

                  Personally to me? No ... Let them carry them on anything, I want Russian citizens to fly on domestic aircraft built using domestic systems ....
                  1. Tda tar
                    Tda tar 30 May 2017 17: 27
                    0
                    5% of the population can be transported by bombers. Is free.
                    The comrade writes that in the absence of a solvent population - to talk about the "necessity" of domestic civil aviation - "from the evil one." And this is exactly so.
          4. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 14 June 2016 08: 29
            +3
            Quote: cniza
            Nothing is said about the filling, but still well done, we can if we want.

            About avionics is interesting to read.
            1. Genry
              Genry 14 June 2016 13: 55
              0
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              About avionics is interesting to read.

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        3. donavi49
          donavi49 14 June 2016 08: 20
          +1
          Not the fact that foreign. I mean, it is easier for any customer, even in Russia, to live with Prat than with PD.

          IF and VEB - by the way, like with Pratt ordered, and this is 2 / 3 real and more than half of the total orders.
          1. theadenter
            theadenter 14 June 2016 08: 53
            +2
            So no one argues, which is easier. But this is for the time being. If there are no our analogues, it will not be up to simplicity if they forbid us to sell it. It is better in this case to be prepared for such a turn.
            1. Tda tar
              Tda tar 30 May 2017 17: 31
              0
              It is not a matter of "prohibitions." Sales of rats and rats allow the Anglo-Saxons to breed. Sales of PD to Russian. Choose. Anglo-Saxon pensions will not be paid to you.
        4. Yuri from Volgograd
          Yuri from Volgograd 14 June 2016 10: 33
          +1
          Quote: Andrey K
          Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
          The motor is not Perm yet. While shtatovsky. In general, honestly and so badly.

          I wrote about the Perm engine, since he, PD-14, specifically "sharpened" specifically for the MS-21 hi
          And on that sample that rolled out - Pratt & Whitney's PW1000G hi
          There are plans to install PW1000G on a batch of MC-21 aircraft intended for "custom order" delivery to foreign customers hi

          The engine refinement is too complicated, and the global competitors that have been holding this market for decades.
          If you make an eroplan with not the best engine, with "what is" avionics, and so on, then no one will take it on the market.
          It is impossible now to make an excellent board at 100% localization. In the same Boeing and watermelon there are Russian details.
          In general, an excellent Russian assembly is better than no 100-domestic miracle. We will be realistic.
          1. Alf
            Alf 14 June 2016 20: 34
            +1
            Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
            In general, an excellent Russian assembly is better than no 100-domestic miracle. We will be realistic.

            Did you learn an example from our frigates without xoxlack turbines? They imposed sanctions and everything, frigates turned into piles of steel. They corrected the situation, but the ships did for themselves, and we will wait. But the foreign customer will not wait, go to another manufacturer.
            Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
            In the same Boeing and watermelon there are Russian details.

            Because both Boeing and Airbus are sure that Russia will not impose sanctions and the details will arrive as planned. But they themselves consider the introduction of sanctions solely their prerogative.
        5. drunkram
          drunkram 14 June 2016 11: 47
          +1
          These engines were obtained under license, they were originally planned for installation on the MS-21, for export. For the domestic market, of course, they are waiting for PD-14
      2. iouris
        iouris 14 June 2016 11: 09
        0
        Today almost any "filling" can be disconnected from the outside from the ground over the Internet.
    2. theadenter
      theadenter 14 June 2016 08: 20
      0
      I hope that work in this direction is underway. It is very bad to depend on imports from countries that put wheels in the wheels at any convenient moment. Especially on the verge of war ...
    3. Muvka
      Muvka 14 June 2016 09: 05
      +2
      Quote: Andrey K
      Some details about the domestic "stuffing" of the newest Russian airliner MS-21 ...
      Of course, it’s nice to read about domestic filling in domestic aircraft. And when will we read about the complete absence of imported components, in general?
      The article talks about the components of the chassis manufactured by us ... about components... not the whole chassis request
      Thank God our glider, composite wing, Perm motor good
      And then the attempts of import substitution begin No.

      It talks about the components because a separate holding is taken for the news. That's what they say about him, what exactly he produces for the aircraft. And not because the rest of the chassis was bought abroad.
    4. sergeybulkin
      sergeybulkin 14 June 2016 09: 41
      -2
      digitally controlled electric generators, hydraulic unit drives of fuel and oil systems
      electronic digital engine management system

      Digital control everywhere! Comp. it will cover or glitch and the liner will go with a stake into the ground. Why do such responsible things trust the "digital"? This is suicide ... am
    5. Verdun
      Verdun 14 June 2016 10: 54
      -1
      Quote: Andrey K
      And then the attempts of import substitution begin

      It is bad if the planes in the series will have a difference in filling and configuration. A headache for maintenance and a serious increase in the cost of operation. I would like to hope that before the start of the series everything will settle down.
    6. Alf
      Alf 14 June 2016 20: 18
      0
      Quote: Andrey K
      And when will we read about the complete absence of imported components, in general?

      Never. Because someone said that we will not replace all import, we will focus only on vital sectors. True, which industries one meant, he did not say.
  2. sa-ag
    sa-ag 14 June 2016 07: 15
    +5
    something about electronics not a word ...
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 14 June 2016 07: 19
      +3
      something about electronics not a word ..


      The goods are goods ...
      to sell it, you need to distribute it to heaven and specialists will deal with the nuances.

      It is gratifying that the matter is creaking, but things are going on ... our civilian aircraft industry is alive and is not going to die.
      1. theadenter
        theadenter 14 June 2016 08: 27
        +2
        Not dying, but on the brink. The current state of affairs is such that our civilian aircraft in Russia are a minority.
        1. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 14 June 2016 09: 59
          +1
          Quote: theadenter
          Our civilian aircraft in Russia are a minority.



          Our, Russian, almost none. It is regrettable ... Only the old Soviet ones remained, and then they are used only for domestic transportation.
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 14 June 2016 08: 15
      +7
      Quote: sa-ag
      something about electronics not a word ...
      Ask Dmitry Anatolyevich. He already tested bully
    3. Muvka
      Muvka 14 June 2016 09: 06
      +2
      Quote: sa-ag
      something about electronics not a word ...

      Because here it is told about one holding. And apparently Technodynamics is not involved in electronics.
      1. monah10
        monah10 14 June 2016 09: 46
        0
        Avionics seems to be involved in CRET.
  3. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 14 June 2016 07: 19
    +2
    It would seem that there is not so much in the total volume of aircraft production, but important components, most importantly their own and technologically advanced ones, cannot but rejoice. Good luck to the holding.
  4. derik1970
    derik1970 14 June 2016 07: 20
    0
    One of the questions, on whose elemental base is the airplane electronics assembled? Whose element base is that and the owner of the aircraft !!! At least a Chinese transistor is used ... When will we do it ??? Yes, never. In addition to transistors and microcircuits, high-tech sensors of various kinds are used, what are we doing them ourselves ??? I don’t believe ... GLONASS devices are assembled on the Chinese and other elemental bases ... it would seem that much more important there is no issue of defense but still ... and the chassis wheels, yes, very good ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 14 June 2016 08: 17
      +7
      But Boeing is also assembled on the same basic base and Watermelon ...

      Everything is simple there - in order to have an elementary base, we need demand for it. All demand satisfies existing production.

      It is possible to accommodate production, but even with state subsidies and construction for budget money, China cannot be overtaken in terms of profitability. So again 2 paths:
      1) Raise prices, cutting off the demand that goes to China (cheaper there).
      2) Forcing people to buy with sticks only at built factories in Russia. But then, the same MS-21 will pick up in price, like everything else, which will sharply undermine export and contractual opportunities in general.


      And so, in the MS there are a lot of other imports, mainly that it is expensive to certify (Easton, Rockwell, Hamilton-Standard, Goodrich, Zoldak, etc.). Moreover, it is being collected on a completely foreign basis, you can still be outraged about this. In fact, the production of the MC-21 was made possible thanks to the successful purchase of the automated BA ATS line (Brötje Automation Assembly & Turnkey Systems GmbH), the Thyssen Krupp panel assembly line, Deckel-Maho machines, ABB robots.
      1. vv3
        vv3 14 June 2016 09: 53
        +2
        Very logical and convincing arguments. But there is one thing but .... We are still producing in the first turn and modern military equipment. When we sell this technique, like toys, there are no questions. But when this equipment comes into service of our troops, the question arises: how will it be used? We need information support, combat control systems, computer centers, integrated target designation and combat control systems. You can’t buy them. We must do it ourselves on our own element base ... So far, most of what is better to buy - and we will not have such systems. They are still absent. Example, the ESU TK system does not work. We cannot conduct a modern, I emphasize, modern war. And Syria is showing it ... There are UAVs that make films, and not give out coordinates, but where to give them? NO BATTLE INFORMATION SYSTEMS. There are systems, such as MLRS and the Coalition of SV, which can receive target designation, but there are NO BATTLE INFORMATION systems. Here are spotters of fire downloaded from enemy rear areas and often die ... So buy or do - the question is not worth it!
    2. Pavel1
      Pavel1 14 June 2016 08: 47
      0
      Quote: derik1970
      When will we do our own ??? Yes, never.


      this question, so the question, one more question can be included here - WHEN WILL THE RUSSIAN COMPUTER BE? We have all the possibilities and in order to create our own computer, we have ALL the possibilities to at least buy this production, but we do not do either one or the other. And this lasts for decades i.e. our backlog is planned. Then the question is who planned?
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 14 June 2016 09: 17
        +1
        Quote: Paul1
        Quote: derik1970
        When will we do our own ??? Yes, never.


        this question, so the question, one more question can be included here - WHEN WILL THE RUSSIAN COMPUTER BE? We have all the possibilities and in order to create our own computer, we have ALL the possibilities to at least buy this production, but we do not do either one or the other. And this lasts for decades i.e. our backlog is planned. Then the question is who planned?

        Has already. Elbrus-401 is called.
        1. Pavel1
          Pavel1 14 June 2016 10: 08
          0
          Quote: Muvka
          Has already. Elbrus-401 is called.


          Do you have any stores?
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 14 June 2016 10: 35
            0
            Quote: Paul1
            Quote: Muvka
            Has already. Elbrus-401 is called.


            Do you have any stores?

            If you really need to, find. Or do you think it does not exist?
            1. FID
              FID 14 June 2016 11: 11
              +1
              Quote: Muvka
              If you really need to, find. Or do you think it does not exist?

              Yes, even if it exists .... Where is it applied ??? If missile defense is one thing, is it in aviation? The answer is unequivocal - no !!! Everything comes from Gaidar - why do we need to develop our production, we will buy everything we need .... We paid for it ... Well, patriots, refute ... What do DOMESTIC airlines fly, including the STATE air carrier - Aeroflot? ?? We were 21 years late with the MC-5 (due to the superjet, by the way) ... A-320 NEO and B-737 MAX are already being produced ... Will the aircrafts wait until the MC-21 is certified ?? ? No, they will not, and the situation will repeat itself - the production of the MC-21 will be unprofitable ... And there is no need to whistle that there are "firm orders", etc. etc. 21 lards were invested in the development of the MS-100, when will it pay off ??? Answer, hurray-patriots ...
              1. Scoun
                Scoun 14 June 2016 11: 28
                0
                Quote: SSI
                Yes, even if it exists .... Where is it used ??? If this is one thing in missile defense, is it in aviation? The answer is no - no !!!

                Several years ago, a German company acquired a license from our company to manufacture processors / chips. Our "Angstrem" acquired a license and equipment for production from IBM.
                Something is being done, but so far there is very little information, NASA really liked our processors. during the day I’ll try to put the links, I haven’t got them for a long time))

                Quote: Paul1
                Do you have any stores?

                Our PC cost 400000 thousand rubles, make laptops for geologists
                1. FID
                  FID 14 June 2016 11: 49
                  0
                  Quote: Scoun
                  Our PC cost 400000 thousand rubles, make laptops for geologists

                  I worked with Zelenograd, but ... For geologists, for doctors, part for space ... For avionics, excuse me, minuscule ...
            2. Pavel1
              Pavel1 14 June 2016 11: 47
              -1
              Quote: Muvka
              If you really need to, find. Or do you think it does not exist?


              exists in the form of a star in the sky with the same availability. This is a bluff of power, it seems that there is something to cover up with eyes, but in fact, the kit is Chinese and the cost is half a million and no one needs it.
      2. K-36
        K-36 14 June 2016 12: 12
        0
        Uv. Pavel1. Why don't they have their own computers? They are, but their price (850 rubles) ... Does not inspire optimism. But, be that as it may, in the objective control groups of air regiments of the Aerospace Forces (for more than 000 years) our Elbrus laptops have been used.
        True, they weigh 10 kg, but here they have nothing to do with it, because there was such TK under them. After such TK they do not fight, falling on asphalt, and they can work in heavy rain. You can see, for example, here: https://meduza.io/feature/2015/05/29/nestydnoe-importozameschenie
        Best regards hi
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 14 June 2016 12: 26
          0
          Quote: K-36
          Uv. Pavel1. Why don't they have their own computers? They are, but their price (850 rubles) ... Does not inspire optimism. But, be that as it may, in the objective control groups of air regiments of the Aerospace Forces (for more than 000 years) our Elbrus laptops have been used.
          True, they weigh 10 kg, but here they have nothing to do with it, because there was such TK under them. After such TK they do not fight, falling on asphalt, and they can work in heavy rain. You can see, for example, here: https://meduza.io/feature/2015/05/29/nestydnoe-importozameschenie
          Best regards hi

          The person above wrote that we do not make computers. But this is not so. + for large companies, they are, with data protection and all that. Not for users of course. But this is only the beginning.
        2. Pavel1
          Pavel1 14 June 2016 15: 22
          0
          Quote: K-36
          SW Paul 1. Well, why are there no computers? They are, but their price


          Of course there is, only the kit is imported, even the zhashny matrix is ​​not ours, for example, the German KAMAZ cab, German motor, American box, so what happens? What is this KAMAZ ours? and the superfood of 80% is not ours, the same can be said about elbrus.
  5. ARES623
    ARES623 14 June 2016 07: 25
    +4
    Somehow very modestly about the new airliner. A shovel can be described more broadly ...
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 14 June 2016 09: 17
      +1
      Quote: ARES623
      Somehow very modestly about the new airliner. A shovel can be described more broadly ...

      Here about one holding is told. That's all.
  6. Kubatai
    Kubatai 14 June 2016 07: 34
    +2
    [
    Quote: Andrey K
    Thank God our glider, composite wing, Perm engine good
    Now there is an Amer’s motor, our engine is promised by the second half of the 17th .. Let's hope they do it ...
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 14 June 2016 09: 18
      0
      Quote: Kubatai
      [
      Quote: Andrey K
      Thank God our glider, composite wing, Perm engine good
      Now there is an Amer’s motor, our engine is promised by the second half of the 17th .. Let's hope they do it ...

      The engine actually already done and more than six months ago, he was already taking off.
  7. Wildfox
    Wildfox 14 June 2016 07: 49
    0
    Quote: derik1970
    One of the questions, on whose elemental base is the airplane electronics assembled? Whose element base is that and the owner of the aircraft !!! At least a Chinese transistor is used ... When will we do it ??? Yes, never. In addition to transistors and microcircuits, high-tech sensors of various kinds are used, what are we doing them ourselves ??? I don’t believe ... GLONASS devices are assembled on the Chinese and other elemental bases ... it would seem that much more important there is no issue of defense but still ... and the chassis wheels, yes, very good ...

    When we begin to make substrates then our element base will appear plus 4-6 years for the development of architecture. Here is the classic story of chicken and eggs. For the production of substrates, massive demand is needed, and for mass demand, the production of substrates is needed.
    If you have any ideas how to solve this issue, everyone is ready to listen. RosNano and the state program not to offer, the aquarium and "Vostochny" showed low efficiency of this path.
    You need to look in the private sector for a person who is rooting for this problem. Yuri Gagarin flew into space not so much thanks to the USSR as a whole, but thanks to enthusiasts to designers and workers.
    1. SSR
      SSR 14 June 2016 08: 06
      +3
      I will reveal a small SECRET for visitors to VO.
      If a newly minted student entering FizMat does not make his way to a budgetary place, but if he finishes the semester positively, then the State will begin to pay for this student, that is, he will be transferred to the budget. If physics doesn’t change me now, physics, mathematics, chemistry, and yes! Programming / Informatics! Our student wrote in a kind of coursework in the early 2000s ... In short, his program is used in Zern, and not only that.
  8. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 14 June 2016 07: 55
    +4
    Whoever said what, but in spite of the entire range of countermeasures aimed at delaying the release / readiness of the MS-21, Russia made it. And even if there was only rolling out - this is only the first step into the sky. I would like to wish the creators of the MS-21 to avoid the fate of the "Superjet", but to become a truly massive medium-range aircraft, as the Tu-154 once was.

    To all those who will bitterly ask, "How long will overseas electronics, avionics, etc. and so on remain on our aircraft? When will we begin to produce an aircraft from completely Russian spare parts and elements?"
    In my opinion, in civil aviation, never. Even the USSR, with all its planned economies and resources of 15 republics, did not extend such a project. And now, in the period of globalization, it is all the more difficult. I'm not saying that you have to sit back - you certainly need to develop your own mechanics and electronics. But so that from scratch and to the sky - it is unlikely to succeed.
    1. NikolaiN
      NikolaiN 14 June 2016 08: 15
      +2
      I support! Now, as far as I know, not a single aircraft in the world is assembled completely from components manufactured in one country. Such are the realities of modern production, globalization ...
  9. drop
    drop 14 June 2016 08: 05
    +1
    It would be desirable to describe all the electronic stuffing: whose radio navigation equipment, instrumental landing, radar. antenna systems, etc. On June 28, at the Expocentre in St. Petersburg, the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs is holding a round table on the topic "Import Substitution". What are we going to talk about there about our promising aircraft MC-21? I have the honor.
  10. Maxom75
    Maxom75 14 June 2016 08: 12
    +2
    to be honest, I am a little interested in whose electronics there is (I think they will not deliver), but the quantity and timing are of more interest. The main thing is not to stop as with a superjet, but to establish precisely the mass production of their planes, so that in Russia their companies use their equipment that does not depend so much on the dollar rate. Accordingly, the cost of transportation will depend on fluctuations in the ruble, not the dollar, and on our own leasing companies, and not on Western "partners".
  11. Engineer
    Engineer 14 June 2016 08: 35
    0
    Least of all, reading about the stuffing in the title, you expect a story about the chassis. Glass cabin visible from Transas.
    1. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 14 June 2016 09: 31
      0
      Quote: Engineer
      Glass cabin visible from Transas.


      God forbid, if so.
  12. skeptic
    skeptic 14 June 2016 08: 36
    +1
    I am glad that we are beginning to do at least something new.
    I am glad that certain nodes are used with us for the first time.
    It seems we are recovering from Elcinism-Urinsonism.
    But so slowly that we die before the iPhone
    will start mass production ...

    New developments in the province.
    Brakes in Moscow.
  13. quolta
    quolta 14 June 2016 08: 39
    0
    On TD-901, the technologies of the so-called “dry” engine support units (not requiring lubrication) are used; it is interesting on Su24 and Su17 that the engine mounts to the airframe are fastened; I don’t remember being lubricated)) but the engine shaft is lubricated
  14. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 14 June 2016 09: 07
    0
    MS -21 / YAK-242
    MS - Mainline Aircraft - Literal Abbreviation
    YAK - the abbreviation of the name of the designer Yakovlev, the name of the legendary design bureau designed the liner. The name to everything else is inextricably linked with the heritage of the USSR. Recognizable swift image. Going back to the times of social justice and accessibility, the times when ANY student could afford to fly home for the weekend ... The bright time of my youth!
    Isn't this what they are trying to erase by turning the image of the liner, simultaneously depriving me of the continuity of memory.
    How can I hide the name of the UC by obscuring it with the stupid abbreviation MS?
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 14 June 2016 09: 51
      0
      Quote: Igor Polovodov
      How can I hide the name of the UC by obscuring it with the stupid abbreviation MS?

      I think that MC21 is a working abbreviation, and so on his nose is Yak.
      Quote: evge-malyshev
      It is not clear why they abandoned the world-famous "brand" YAKOVLEV (so modern?).

      I hope that he will fly like a Yak and not of the type MS / Dreamliner and more ... At his official show, A.S. Yakovlev was written in full.
      a long video but at the end from 12.30 can be seen, by the way, and on the splash screen the video is visible to the left of the door of the UAC and to the right is the Yak brand name.)))
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 June 2016 09: 25
    0
    The variety of equipment for such a complex product as a civil aviation aircraft will NOT give the opportunity to immediately replace all the screws in all devices FOR ALL RUSSIAN. Too expensive. Is everything American in Boeing? Actually, I want to reveal a little secret. There are not many factories in the world that produce so-called "chips" - processors, "memory", and much more. Market law. Mass production is profitable. But if we are talking about serious devices ... I know one private company in Oryol that supplies its products to Siemens! In the form of crystals. Power electronics, high voltage. Which not everyone knows how to do. And gentlemen, the Germans "package" these crystals and gladly put their own label on them. Well, I also know someone else. In Bryansk, a renowned plant supplies important crystals to the USA. Moreover, the packaging is carried out in ... India! This is a complex business, import substitution, diverse and it is necessary to approach it wisely. To attract knowledgeable specialists, not effective managers. Work in progress, do not hesitate. And our foreign "partners" famously bypass the sanctions, just to "smell of profit." Well, ours need it that way. Well, piece production in the production of civilian products will not pay off! Weapons are another matter. Military schemes are always different. Both technologies and topological norms. You can't go anywhere there.
  16. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 14 June 2016 09: 28
    +1
    It is not clear why they abandoned the world-famous "brand" YAKOVLEV (so modern?).
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 14 June 2016 09: 29
    0
    The main thing is to start the series, and over time, some other ideas may come to mind and something unusual will arise on their basis. good
  18. Mercenary
    Mercenary 14 June 2016 11: 42
    +1
    Read wildly! They learned how to make chassis - before that they bought something in Mongolia? Their developments and in the Technical University and in the IL and the same Yakovlevites! What about oxygen masks? They saw this plastic consumer goods bought in China (if ours, why not in Russian or in two languages?)
  19. K-36
    K-36 14 June 2016 12: 48
    0
    Quote: Mercenary
    Read wildly! They learned how to make chassis - before that they bought something in Mongolia? Their developments and in the Technical University and in the IL and the same Yakovlevites! What about oxygen masks? They saw this plastic consumer goods bought in China (if ours, why not in Russian or in two languages?)

    SW Mercenary. Gently throw my thought. Maybe it’s not at all about oxygen masks, as such? And in a stand-alone oxygen production plant? Here, for example, on the T-50 install this, http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/archive/letchikam-istrebiteley-t-50-ne-strashen-kis
    lorodnyy-golod17-07-2013-14-15-00/
    Considering this a very advantageous "chip". Indeed, for two hours of flight on a fighter, it is necessary to carry 90 kg of oxygen supply along with cylinders. And the station weighs only 30 kg! And if the flight lasts more than 2 hours, where then to get oxygen (if it runs out in cylinders)? recourse And the oxygen supply by an autonomous installation is not limited by any flight time! yes Yes, and a special oxygen-charging machine is unnecessary when preparing the plane for departure good .
    However, in this article not a word about it, maybe I am anticipating an event that has not yet taken place? If so, it’s a pity ...
    Best regards hi
  20. puffnutiy
    puffnutiy 14 June 2016 14: 09
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    Quote: SSI
    Quote: cniza
    Nothing is said about the filling, but still well done, we can if we want.

    The control system of the company "Thales" (French), SCV (air conditioning system) - Germans ....
    Unfortunately, up to 50% is imported, and not "hardware", but "filling" ....


    Is there a full layout of what is imported and what is Russian? Are there any components from Belarusians?
  21. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 June 2016 14: 18
    0
    The most important thing is to start the engine in the series, the PD-14 will then get on the IL-76 during remotorization and will go a lot more. If it is possible to completely replace the import of A-319/320/321 and Boeing 373, this will be good. PD-14 needs a large series and modern indicators for the reliability of profitability.
  22. iouris
    iouris 14 June 2016 19: 26
    0
    In short, without a deep socio-economic reform, almost a revolution, nothing of high-quality mass production will be possible. And the roads will remain as they are. The volume of the domestic market in a country with a population of 100 million. people too small. You need 300-400 (minimum). We need to start by creating a market in the same volume as the CMEA member countries. We started by giving all markets to competitors. This means that there is no such task - to create a "domestic filling" for the MS-21.