Media: the cause of the crash of the Su-27 was a stroke in the pilot

The reason for the recent fall of the Su-27 in the suburbs was the stroke of the pilot Sergei Eremenko, which occurred during the control of the aircraft, reports TASS a message from a member of the commission to investigate the causes of the tragedy.

"According to preliminary data, the cause of the crash was a stroke at the pilot during the flight," said a source.

Recall that the fighter from the “Russian Knights” air group crashed on June 9 in the Pushkin District of the Moscow Region. The Defense Ministry stressed that "Major Eremenko did everything possible to steer the car away from the settlement."

The plane was returning to Kubinka after the opening ceremony of the monument in the village of Ashukino, in which the “Russian Knights” were also involved.

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[Putinets]

minus to doctors. Stroke is recognized early.

[Dr. Bormental]

You will be awarded the Nobel Prize in medicine when you publish your own way of recognizing stroke at an early stage.
A bit of educational program, and then doctors will begin to blame here.
A stroke is an acute violation of cerebral circulation due to rupture of a vessel in the brain or its blockage (for example, an atherosclerotic plaque). There are many factors predisposing to the occurrence of a stroke, but when it can happen no one can predict.

[Putinets]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

Dr. Bormental (5) Today, 09: 12 ↑ New
You will be awarded the Nobel Prize in medicine when you publish your own way of recognizing stroke at an early stage.

high blood pressure, heart pain, arrhythmia;
tendency to thrombosis;
diabetes;
overweight;
atherosclerosis, high cholesterol;
smoking and alcohol abuse;
vegetovascular dystonia and periodic ischemic attacks.
Few? And now we will put the pilot with this diagnosis and with the Kid on the suspension?

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: Putin

Few? And now we’ll put the pilot with this diagnosis

Do you think that the deceased pilot had all these signs? Or at least some of them? Yes, with such indications, it’s not like flying a jet fighter - even a passenger in it will not be allowed to fly. Or do you think doctors are dumber than yourself? Unlike you, they bear responsibility for their work, even criminal.

[ancient]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Or do you think doctors are dumber than yourself? Unlike you, they bear responsibility for their work, even criminal.

So you yourself are proving that the "cause" is not at all a stroke !!!

[Dr. Bormental]

Dear Yuri, everything that you have listed is undoubtedly true. However, do not confuse predisposing factors and the presence of the disease itself. Understand that a stroke is an acute disease, it does not have an "early stage". Have you ever had a nosebleed? So abruptly, suddenly starting? Well, now imagine the same situation in the brain, when the outflowing blood presses on the brain centers. This happens in a split second. The first thing that happens is the loss of consciousness, and then how God will send it.
There is a pilot VLK (military flight commission), its pilots pass annually (except for pre-flight medical examination). The commission is very tough, and believe me, he will not allow a drunk fat pilot with diabetes and hypertension to fly

[ancient]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

However, do not confuse predisposing factors and the presence of the disease itself. Understand that a stroke is an acute disease, it does not have an "early stage".

You are very mistaken !!!!!

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: ancient

You are very mistaken !!!!!

Well, if various paresis with clouding of consciousness during small strokes are considered as the "early stage" of a good good stroke, then of course I am mistaken. I can imagine a pilot whose half-face is twisted and his hand does not rise, who has passed a medical examination and is getting on a plane ...

[ancient]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

Imagine a pilot whose skews are skewed and his hand does not rise, undergoing a medical examination and boarding a plane ..

I wrote to you (even emphasized) that "you are mistaken" precisely in the absence of "predisposing factors.
I will not repeat myself above posted a detailed comment on how it "should look in the light of" statements about a stroke. "
About the blood flowing through the nose or "more along the way of consciousness" .. it's not about the pilots!

[avia1991]

Quote: ancient

"you are mistaken" precisely in the absence of "predisposing factors.

Alexander, I don't know about your flying experience, probably there is something to remember. But you argue in vain with a professional doctor: he just gave you the right picture. And what you call the "harbingers" of the disease are not necessarily the harbingers of a stroke. Just as their absence is not a guarantee of the development of this dirty trick.
BUT!.. Ek, you were bombarded! Maybe you should clarify your point of view? Most of the comments are categorical emotions. What do you think happened to Drying?

[ancient]

Quote: avia1991

Alexander, I don’t know about your flying experience, probably there is something to remember.

Like in that movie ..... "I'm an old soldier and I don't know the words of love, but ...."

Quote: avia1991

But here you are arguing in vain with a professional doctor: he just gave you the right picture.

And I did not argue with him, but simply pointed out that the esteemed Doctor, with his statements and refutes "this .. stroke"

Quote: avia1991

Ek, you were bombarded! Maybe you should clarify your point of view? Most of the comments are categorical emotions. What do you think happened to Drying?

Well ... we don’t get used to it How much clearer already? And so everything ... "chewed"

Already wrote above, but .. I will repeat - "the engine puffed", "the SDU flew", Eremenko managed to switch to the "emergency mode of operation" of the ACS, "fell out" of the clouds at a very low altitude, to all events such as "determining one's own place", possible fall paths, etc. etc. he had ... less time, but at the same time he managed to do everything right ... no one was hurt on earth.
Neither the time nor the technical capabilities of the chair were in any way sufficient for a successful bailout.
If so, then Eremenko REALLY! A HERO and such as HE need MONUMENTS in all GROWTH in the city center!

[avia1991]

Quote: ancient

Neither time nor the technical capabilities of the chair

How is this so? After all, the seat, as far as I know (not to a fighter ANY way! ), ensures successful ejection even from the ground! .. I remember the dizzying "shot" of Magomet Tolboev, from a dive on a MiG-29 with a negative angle, in Farnborough! Wasn't it real?
Even in the news later they said that our chairs on the market, after this incident, went like "hot cakes"

[ancient]

Quote: avia1991

How is that?

And so ... that is. as in an anecdote ... "though it said what was written between the lines ...", and the instructions also contain a phrase and "... 0 vertical rate of descent and the flaps of the lantern dropped", because. we only have the Yak-130 through a flashlight, and on all combat and UB there is a speed value from 87 to 140 km / h - restrictions on the discharge of the flashlight from the high-speed pressure (because the flashlight "flies away" not due to shooting with squibs, but due to the actuation of pneumatic registers, which "throw it, the flashlight, the front edge", but better, he himself ... "flies away".

Quote: avia1991

I recall the dizzying "shot" of Magomet Tolboev, from a dive on a MiG-29 with a negative angle, in Farnborough! Wasn't it real?

It was, just not at Tolboev's, but at Kvochur's, and it was at the salon in Le Bourget ... and here it is clearly visible that the chair also goes to the ground when fired and ... only the plane explosion "helped fill" the canopy of Anatoly's parachute , and even then .. not completely, so ... "Anatoly kissed ..." very, very nicely "oh .. Mother earth ... and another second of delay with deductions and .....
(quoted almost as "firsthand" ... or "my own ears")



Unfortunately, this is not so .. our K-36 type chairs are only on our planes ...... "politics-s"

[avia1991]

Quote: ancient

It was only not with Tolboev, but with Kvochur and it happened at the salon in Le Bourget ... and here you can see specifically that the chair also goes to the ground when fired and ... only the explosion of the plane "helped fill" the canopy of Anatoly's parachute, and even then ... not completely, so what ... "kissed" Anatoly

Thanks for the amendment, Alexander, reported Of course, Anatoly Kvochur! .. It was a long time ago, got confused in the old news. Moreover, then they both flashed constantly in messages.
However, Kvochur had practically no height reserve - less than 100m, 200 meters - "a whole lot of time"! .. ???

[potroshenko]

How can one prove that a crashed pilot had a stroke? In which inflamed brain was such an excuse born for technicians and guidance?

[Bort radist]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

Well, now imagine the same situation in the brain when the spilled blood presses on the brain centers. This happens in a split second.

You described one type, the second blockage of the vessel. Instant loss of consciousness is optional. Or it may be short-lived, fractions of a second.
PS I read today that the failure of technology. So not all points on i are spaced.

[ancient]

Quote: Bort Radist

PS I read today that the failure of technology. So not all points on i are spaced.

It's just that "that" hat "with which they tried to cover their ..." priests "" certain persons "... did not" stand up to any criticism "!!!!
It should be so !!!!
Here are the MINUSES ... "usss ..." when they officially announce ... what is it .. "HAT" (with a stroke)!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Putin

high blood pressure, heart pain, arrhythmia;
tendency to thrombosis;
diabetes;
overweight;
atherosclerosis, high cholesterol;
smoking and alcohol abuse;
vegetovascular dystonia and periodic ischemic attacks.

Is that what we have pilots ??? The conversation is not about the sick, but about the sudden death from which no one is safe. There are not a few such cases when a completely healthy person suddenly died of a stroke, heart attack or treacherous blood clot. God forbid anyone like that, but it happens ...

[ancient]

Quote: Bayonet

There are many such cases when a completely healthy person suddenly died of a stroke, heart attack or treacherous blood clot.

Only not at 35 years old with an ABSOLUTELY healthy person of the flight-lifting staff!

And about all of a sudden ... and who then .. "took the plane away from ....." and then ... ejected?

[Bayonet]

Quote: ancient

. and who then .. "took the plane away from ....." and then ... ejected?

And this is to the patriots

[ancient]

Quote: Bayonet

And this is to the patriots

So yes, just correct .... I have everywhere ... "urya-patriots" or "uryakalki"

[avia1991]

Quote: ancient

Not at 35 years old at ABSOLUTELY healthy

And at 30, and even at 20 (hockey players, for example, and athletes in general). And about "absolutely healthy" - there are very few of them on the whole Earth. And taking into account the qualifications of our doctors, everything is a big question today.
A dispute about anything, Alexander, what are you wasting your nerves? Let's wait for the official conclusion - then the drafts are bald! Is it worth it to react so sharply to every "blunder" of journalists?

[ancient]

Quote: avia1991

A dispute about anything, Alexander, what are you wasting your nerves?

Sergei ... am I wasting my nerves? Yes, I am very "gentle" and affectionate "... you talk to" live pilots "or" colleagues ".
So I always knew that my comrades-in-arms could talk in "native .. motherly", but that's what it would be ..... out of 10 words 15 on ..... "obscene"
None of them said anything good about this "news hat" ... the goal is one .... "cover someone's (it is clear whose) ..... oops" !!!!!

[avia1991]

Quote: ancient

one goal .... "cover someone's (it is clear whose) ..... oops" !!!!!

Or maybe everything is much simpler?
I had to ... some journalist had to dig up a "sensation" !!! .. And the editor with a sore head "after yesterday" - and "pushed", without looking, materialchik. And then - to rush about late, we must defend the honor of the company!

[ancient]

Quote: avia1991

Or maybe everything is much simpler?

Absolutely not excluded, +!

Seeing, looking and hearing .. "the level of professionalism" of our journalists .. and especially the media flyers "... you are not surprised at anything already, but ...." people ... hawala "? (This is your answer to the question. .minuses)

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Putin

high blood pressure, heart pain, arrhythmia;

high blood pressure, heart pain, arrhythmia;
1. Never been seen
tendency to thrombosis;
2. Doctors have not noticed.
diabetes;
3. in the very initial stage. 6 mmol / l
overweight;
4. 105 kg with a norm of 95-100 kg
atherosclerosis, high cholesterol;
5. No elevated cholesterol was found.
smoking and alcohol abuse;
6. Active sports did not allow smoking and drinking alcohol
vegetovascular dystonia and periodic ischemic attacks.
7. I do not know. But a stroke visited me five years ago. Since then, on the disability group.
Something seems to be wrong here!

[Dr. Bormental]

Now everyone on the Internet diagnoses themselves, and they treat themselves .. they read all sorts of crap and then run to the pharmacy, and then we treat what they have "cured" for themselves. How many times did I tell my patients - do not meddle in what you do not understand ... nope ... useless.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

Now everyone on the Internet makes their own diagnoses, and they themselves are treated .. they read all crap

Exactly and not otherwise. Similarly with the repair of complex household appliances. They will wind it up, they will wind it up, they will break firewood, and then they are surprised: Why is it so expensive?

[ancient]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

How many times did patients tell their patients

Among the pilots there are no "patients" ..... with doctors only either "to zero" or to. "Booze" .. became a patient .... "forget about flight work"!

[Dr. Bormental]

Wow ... pilots guys are healthy or not pilots

[askort154]

Dr. Bormental ..... Now everyone on the Internet diagnoses themselves, they treat themselves .. they read all sorts of crap and then run to the pharmacy, and then we treat what they have "cured" for themselves. How many times did I tell my patients - do not meddle in what you do not understand ... nope ... useless.

Isn’t it time for doctors to think about why the majority of the population has become
prefer "being treated" on the Internet. It did not occur to you that they were driven to this by modern "aesculapians" aimed at the patient's wallet, but unable to establish the true diagnosis. As for this article, if this is not another fake, but a real conclusion of the commission, then everything is logical.
Since Khrushchev's times in aviation "laid down" - in an aviation accident
blame the lost crew. This is not speculation, but a cruel reality. So it is "more profitable" for everyone, both the aviation industry and the flight organizers. The true reasons are not voiced, but over time they try to eliminate.

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: askort154

Isn't it time for doctors to think about why the majority of the population began to prefer "being treated" on the Internet. It didn’t occur to you that they were driven to this by modern "aesculapians" aimed at the patient's wallet, but unable to establish a true diagnosis

Alexander! Any normal state is based on 3 fundamental things - this is health care, education and defense. Money needs to be invested in these things !!!! This is the basis, the foundation of the basics, and this is a very expensive story. And if today the military even began to receive more or less like people, then there are no doctors and teachers. In our country, medicine is almost self-sufficient; we treat it as in the 20th century, and not as in 21 because of the lack of funding. I have exactly the same eyes climbing my forehead from our modern medicine as yours ... I can only shrug my hands ..

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: askort154

Isn't it time for doctors to think about why the majority of the population began to prefer "being treated" on the Internet. It didn’t occur to you that they were driven to this by modern "aesculapians" aimed at the patient's wallet, but unable to establish a true diagnosis

Alexander! Any normal state is based on 3 fundamental things - this is health care, education and defense. Money needs to be invested in these things !!!! This is the basis, the foundation of the basics, and this is a very expensive story. And if today the military even began to receive more or less like people, then there are no doctors and teachers. In our country, medicine is almost self-sufficient; we treat it as in the 20th century, and not as in 21 because of the lack of funding. I have exactly the same eyes climbing my forehead from our modern medicine as yours ... I can only shrug my hands ..

[avia1991]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

How many times did he tell his patients to his patients - do not meddle in something that you do not understand ... not ... it's useless.

And where are we, mere mortals, to find a competent doctor, such as Ivan Arnoldych, when needed? AND? Give some useful advice? Paid clinic - not only that there is no guarantee, they will also find a LIST of what is not even in Nature!
Insurance medicine? In the polyclinic, there is no interest in your fate, the order there is such that you will lose a day for one piece of paper, precinct 1 to 2-3 precincts - and naturally, they always do not have time to examine properly, or think about the diagnosis. At best, he will ask "What do you take? What should you write out?" - and runs on.
So

Quote: Dr. Bormental

on the Internet they make their own diagnoses, they themselves are treated .. they read all crap

people are FORCED!
In general, it’s better not to get sick now. Both cheaper and healthier .. especially for nerves

[atakan]

What kind of gang of minus minors is grazing here today?
The right questions have been raised; there is no answer to them.
So what is Urpatriotism?

[Reptiloid]

I know that you, Dr. Bormental, are a doctor. ??????? Unfortunately, many relatives have had strokes in their older relatives and employees. They, strokes --- varying in severity. They were preceded by certain symptoms, With medical supervision and diagnosis - these symptoms are visible, because. long known to physicians. Especially do not want the details, because ..... But if the doctors are watching, then everything is done to prevent this from happening.

[ancient]

Quote: Reptiloid

, With medical supervision and diagnosis - these symptoms are visible, because long known to physicians. Especially do not want the details, because ..... But if the doctors are watching, then everything is done to prevent this from happening.

Absolutely, +! Well, for at least any "symptom" .... with flight performance, the "sentence" is one .... "bayonet into the ground"

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: Reptiloid

They were preceded by certain symptoms, With medical supervision and diagnosis - these symptoms are visible, because. long known to doctors

I do not think that a pilot with high blood pressure or poor health would be allowed to fly. I talked with the doctors of the military flight commission - tough guys. There is almost something wrong there - instantly "the wings are taken away." conducted. You can't prove anything. Doctors are for the most part very powerless ...

[sabakina]

Ivan Arnoldovich, I am with you! Tell these Aibolites that a blood clot isn’t easy to find! ...

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: sabakina

Ivan Arnoldovich, I am with you! Tell these Aibolites that a blood clot isn’t easy to find! ...

Greetings! You can detect it using Dopplerography of the vessels, but you need to know what to look for, and for this you need the previous symptoms (headaches, dizziness, changes in blood tests, etc.). Everyone doesn’t do it. In this case, I don’t think that the blood clot was a young pilot, and God forbid they examine them. If there was a stroke, then hemorrhagic - i.e. the vessel burst - hemorrhage into the brain and all. There is also such an infrequent (usually congenital) vessel pathology as aneurysm, a kind of wall defect .. it is usually not diagnosed in any way, because it does not manifest itself, but if it breaks (usually with a sharp increase in pressure), then the effect is very, very sad.

[ancient]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

If there was a stroke, then hemorrhagic - i.e. the vessel burst - hemorrhage into the brain and all.

Then again the question REMAINS .... "WHO" then piloted the plane, "taking it away from residential buildings"? (despite the fact that it was necessary first to lower "break through" the cloudiness and determine ... "in which direction .. twist"?

[Bayonet]

Quote: ancient

. "WHO" then piloted the plane, "taking it away from residential buildings"?

Was it? Without indignation, only if you didn’t fall on the village, then did you take it away?

[samoletil18]

It is possible that a stroke has taken place. But without familiarizing yourself with the results of a pathological-antomic study, one can only speculate. But what kind of hemorrhagic stroke can fit any rupture of the cerebral vessel, including traumatic in a disaster, I cannot rule out.
Although, with subarachnoid bleeding, health will be very poor, but the preservation of all functions and consciousness at the same time. Those. a feat could have been with a stroke, only the pilot would have taken measures to climb and save himself and the car ... I only got questions from this message. In any case, the eternal memory of the pilot and condolences to relatives and friends.

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: samoletil18

for hemorrhagic stroke can fit any rupture of the cerebral vessel, including traumatic in a disaster, I cannot rule out.

And they’ll make you sure. All the same, the results of the forensic examination will not tell us. Unfortunately, everything can be attributed to the dead.

[samoletil18]

I would not want to be sure about this.

[askort154]

Dr. Bormental] I talked to the doctors of the military flight commission - tough guys.


Very harsh! A case from flight practice, a 35-year-old pilot passed
another VLEK. After taking the ECG readings, they left him on the couch and called an ambulance - "pre-infarction state." They took him to cardiology! One of the VLEKs on my X-ray film found two blackouts in the chest area. I was sent for examination to the Oncology Dispensary. There the doctor looked at the picture and in my presence began to call unflattering names "my aesculapians". "Blackouts" were my own nipples. For 40 years of flight work, I became convinced that doctors who work with flight crews for a long time lose their qualifications, since they constantly work with a healthy "patient".

[Dr. Bormental]

Yes, that's right ... we are people too, sometimes we are mistaken, although we do not have the right to do so ..

[samoletil18]

But the doctor from the oncology dispensary should not have forgotten about medical ethics. The military doctor is not a narrow specialist in oncology; he has shown zeal and fulfillment of professional duty.
But what if! Or then, after many years, again suspicions, and with the outcome in a year and a half? But the doctor (specialist) once laughed at another doctor ... And the patient ignored the referral . It is dangerous for the patient to behave this way.

[siberalt]

Yes, we will! And here are the doctors. A stroke may not happen as a result of a disease, such as: an injury, a blood clot, a sharp jump in blood pressure, a sharp change in temperature, air pressure, overload of the body with a sharp change in acceleration, etc.

[OlegV]

I agree. misfortune can happen to everyone. you can't guess where the "bony" one is waiting for you ...

aviation itself gave almost 14 years, although the ground crew, the hero pilot, was able to take the car to the side, and did not leave the car to its own devices ....... eternal memory to the pilot.

[Dembel77]

A stroke occurs not only from cardiovascular diseases, but also from overload when piloting at high speeds, this is a scientifically and medically proven fact. In any case, sorry for the pilot and equipment too.

[ancient]

Quote: OlegV

the pilot - a hero, was able to take the car to the side, and did not leave the car to its own devices.

Is it with a stroke ?????

[Ezhaak]

Quote: ancient

Is it with a stroke ?????

Stroke manifests itself in different ways. Someone who loses consciousness, but I personally, felt the "braiding" of the tongue, I began to "skid" to the left, So it was in the initial stage. After a few hours, I walked about two kilometers. home. And only at night, in an ambulance, he was sent to the hospital. I walked to the car and from it, to the hospital emergency room on my own! He became immobilized only a day later. I did not fall into unconsciousness.

[zadorin1974]

When I was in the "hospital" after a concussion (long and tedious) we, more or less walkers, were asked to look after the problem be able to raise his hands up, diction is lost, the tongue is wrapped in a screw. In general, I have seen enough. My friend died from a stroke, colleagues did not pay attention to him all day until he lost consciousness, and if someone was more attentive, he could still live (46 years old)

[ancient]

Quote: Hedgehog

, I felt the "braiding" of my tongue, I began to "skid" to the left, So it was in the initial stage. After a few hours, I walked about two kilometers. home

You are confusing the state .. "is on the ground .. sinful" and "stand" in the densest BP while performing aerobatics ".
Imagine sbyya to the cockpit .... "moves to the left" ... is that .. you "collect the whole" pyramid "...
In general, with a "stroke" this is the FULLEST HAT !!!!

[Ezhaak]

Quote: ancient

You are confusing the state ..

You, giving examples, probably do not understand that hemorrhage can be miserable and profuse! All the consequences are highly dependent on the amount of leaked blood, I suspect. However, I completely agree with your assessment of the dreamers. We must find the switchman. Or appoint a switchman. So they try.

[potroshenko]

Quote: ancient

Quote: OlegV

the pilot - a hero, was able to take the car to the side, and did not leave the car to its own devices.

Is it with a stroke ?????

It’s not clear what the disadvantages are for you. Really mutually exclusive paragraphs - either a stroke, or drove the car to the side. It seems that the leadership covers its backside, shifts the blame on the health of the pilot.

[ancient]

Quote: potroshenko

It’s not clear what the disadvantages are for you.

And who loves the TRUTH ..? That is why we have everything in everything ...... okay .. let's not get into .. "in politics"
They said ... "hold on and ... all good to you" .. means ... lumin

[zadorin1974]

Greetings colleagues! What is the dispute about? This is another speculation by reporters. Don't you see it yourself? One of the commission, well, if this is the official version, then why without specific names? Why are not links to certain documents provided? Until there is an official conclusion of the commission of such retellings ( fictions or vyserov) "expert experts" will be a wagon and an even bigger cart. For such lazy stuffing you need to break your fingers so that there is nothing to poke on the keyboard and the tongue is not needed to hit the tonsils. Even with me, with my 5 classes and 5 educational corridors , I understand that the health of the aviation elite, constantly experiencing overloads, is monitored like our father. Every year our drivers at the enterprise pass a medical examination in the RCH, they are removed from the helm once, until the pressure stabilizes, and here is an elite pilot.

[ancient]

Quote: zadorin1974

.For such crap stuffing, you need to break your fingers so that there’s nothing to poke on the clave and stick your tongue to the tonsils. Even with me, with my 5 classes and 5 education corridors, I understand that the health of the aviation elite, constantly experiencing overloads, is monitored Our father. We have drivers every year at the enterprise the medical board in the Republican Clinical Hospital passes, they are removed from the steering wheel at a time until the pressure stabilizes, and then an elite pilot.

Hororsho said ... simple, but even for "stoned uryakalok" .. maybe .. "get" +!

[CORNET]

Quote: Putin

minus to doctors. Stroke is recognized early.

Do not always trust me, I saw a lot of such .... The pilot felt it, but at the cost of his life he avoided falling on houses, I can imagine what it cost him (what kind of tension of the body and fortitude ..) everything starts to refuse there sharply .. Eternal memory to the hero!

[ancient]

Quote: CORNET

. I felt the pilot see, but at the cost of my life I avoided falling onto residential buildings, I can imagine what it cost him (what a strain of the body and fortitude ..) everything starts to refuse there abruptly.

Here is a sensible conclusion, but ... if something happens, then there is a mandatory report to the group commander ... and therefore the question is ... quiet ... even the pilots who flew with him ... "for some reason are silent"

[ancient]

Quote: CORNET

. I felt the pilot see, but at the cost of my life I avoided falling onto residential buildings, I can imagine what it cost him (what a strain of the body and fortitude ..) everything starts to refuse there sharply ..

Felt WHAT ???? If I felt it, I would immediately .. "REPORT", this time ... before "turning away" you have to see ... WHERE !!!! * Clouds 10 points, NG 200-300 meters) began to fall from 900 meters! !!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ancient

Felt WHAT ???? If I felt, I would immediately .. "PRESENT",

Serge, as for a stroke disease. In the air during overload, if it’s a real stroke, a person can’t say anything, not a single word, just a spasm. A person is conscious, it’s difficult to move his hands even in such a situation. And during a flight to fighters, I think this will strengthen the symptoms.

This is about a stroke, which is before the article itself. All links to some source. What kind of source is unknown, because it’s too early to discuss. I won’t be surprised that the official comments from the Moscow Region about the causes of the crash will be completely different.

[ancient]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

. In the air during an overload, if it’s really a stroke, a person will not be able to say anything, not a single word, just a spasm. A person is conscious, it is difficult to move his hands even in such a situation. And during a flight to fighter jets, I think this will intensify the symptoms.

You say everything correctly ... only "what to do" in this case ...... "and the city thought ....."?
And "about say" ... "press" the SPU button on the group's internal channel or .. wheeze something .... there are many options
And that none of the "next to you" noticed that the plane fell off and did not report it on the air?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ancient

And "to say" ... "press" the SPU button on the group's internal channel or .. wheeze something ..

In the case of a stroke, it’s not realistic, a person understands everything, but can not do anything.

Quote: ancient

And that none of the "next to you" noticed that the plane fell off and did not report it on the air?

But this is a big question. And there is nothing on the ground, negotiations are not laid out.

[figwam]

Quote: ancient

Felt WHAT ???? If I felt it, I would immediately .. "REPORT", this time ... before "turning away" you have to see ... WHERE !!!! * Clouds 10 points, NG 200-300 meters) began to fall from 900 meters! !!

REPORT! Well, this is the same as writing a report on dismissal, respectively, goodbye to a career, a dream to fly, a pension, etc.

[ancient]

Quote: figvam

! Well, this is the same as writing a report on dismissal, respectively, goodbye to a career, a dream to fly, a pension, etc.

Sorry, but you wrote it ... stupidity!

[Simon]

I do not believe that doctors missed this! Pilots, before each flight, they are checked on medical devices and their data is recorded, especially with the aerobatic team of such a high class. A stroke can only show an autopsy, but how can a crashed pilot determine this?

[CORNET]

Quote: Simon

I do not believe that doctors missed this! Pilots, before each flight, they are checked on medical devices and their data is recorded, especially with the aerobatic team of such a high class. A stroke can only show an autopsy, but how can a crashed pilot determine this?

Plaque in the vessel can be detected only during Cardiography (mini-operation) That's it! If the vessels are clean do not care high or low pressure ... Stop discussing this already! The pilot died, do not allow the death of civilians ... Earth rest in peace and eternal memory!

[ARS56]

A pre-stroke condition is recognized at an early stage.
Doctors blinked or the pilot persuaded the performance not to disrupt. The result is tragedy.
True, the number of minuses of incompetent in medicine comrades will not be false.

[ancient]

Quote: ARS56

the pilot persuaded the performance not to disrupt.

This does not "pass" (or rather passes, but not when the doctor already .. "presented")!

[svp67]

Quote: Putin

minus doctors.

"minus" to such "news" from a number of OBS (one grandmother said). I still understand when such, if I may say "news," tell "ukroSMI" and the rest of the "free media", but our
While there is no OFFICIAL MESSAGE, all this "news", just "concussion".
"Pilot's stroke", "he did not fly the plane", "tried to eject", it means not a hero, but you, "quilted jackets" and "Colorado", were so proud of him.
Yes, maybe everything was so, but judging by the footage from the crash site, the plane fell almost flat on, although all witnesses say that it was falling, diving, which meant it had to enter the ground a few meters, and it lies, therefore tried to get out of the dive, which means he was controlled. But this is so, in my opinion, I will immediately say the "amateurish" view.
But everyone now has their own opinion, but I suggest waiting for the OFFICIAL STATEMENT of the commission and not making hasty conclusions.

[Turkestan]

If the pilot was not wearing an anti-reloading suit or the pilot for some reason did not use this suit, then when performing aerobatics at high overloads of 90%, you can get a stroke. Most likely this happened.

[Dam]

No horseradish is not recognized. Overload, bursting vessel and hello everyone. Eternal memory, a man with a stroke took the plane away from housing. Flint was

[kirsa]

Give each pilot a doctor’s cabin! Think before you say it.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: avvg

The load was big and the Heart could not stand it

How interesting. And he has nothing to do with the brain?

[pan.70]

The media has already published that the crash occurred due to the failure of the aircraft. The pilot, if he took the car away from the village with such an ailment, must be presented posthumously for the award.

[Bayonet]

Quote: pan.70

The pilot, if he took the car away from the village with such an ailment, must be presented posthumously for the award.

And from every accident, is it necessary to do a feat? Well, people like to be proud of fictitious exploits ... They do not understand that by magnifying such a fictitious exploit they belittle real exploits. Better remember the person in our, in Russian.

[ancient]

Quote: pan.70

A pilot, if he took the car away from the village with such an ailment

Believe yourself ... what did you write?

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Corporal

Let me doubt a little.
Stroke is a good version for maintenance services, flight managers, the commander-in-chief of the Aerospace Forces (at whose "request" these flights were carried out). Nobody's ass gets hurt. ...

So I say that those who are now minus. expressed bewilderment about the conclusion about the reason. Doubts expressed. And, by the way, they are also present at the doctor.
Regardless of the cause---
EXPLOITING A HERO!

[LÄRZ]

And the signs of an impending stroke could not be detected earlier? I will not believe. God bless the soul of your servant Sergey in peace. He did everything he could.

According to eyewitnesses, Major Sergei Eremenko, the commander of the Russian Knights' Guard, who died on 9 in June after speaking at an air show in the Moscow Region, before witnessing the fall, tried to choose a place in a densely populated area where there were no residential buildings, and perhaps did not manage to escape because of this Sam. A few days before the pilot, Jeff Kuss from the American aerobatic group Blue Angels also took his F / A-18 away from the houses with which the area around the airfield was densely built up. He also did not have time to catapult and died.

According to experts, the whole point is in the conditions under which these people work. These conditions differ not only from the life of an ordinary, average person, but even from the conditions in which ordinary pilots fly. Aleksey Kochemasov, comparing ordinary aerobatics, which is used in aerobatic groups, said that they differ in about the same way ordinary walking on the ground with a performance on a rope under the circus dome is distinguished: “Aerobatic and difficult aerobatics is driving a car on the verge, and sometimes beyond, of the possible, and even possible for a person,” said Konstantin Bogdanov.

http://tehnowar.ru/44072-aviashou-smertelno-opasnaya-rabota.html

[Boa kaa]

Quote: LÄRZ

“Aerobatic and complex aerobatics is driving a car on the edge, and sometimes beyond the limits of the possible, and even possible for a person, including”

This is true. But single aerobatics (aerobatics) is fundamentally different from group. In the first case, you are your own master and the whole sky belongs to you alone. You are doing everything that the body can withstand. But the soul sings!
And in the second case (group pilots) physical activity is not great, but the stress and responsibility for one's "place in the ranks" increase threefold. Everything here is on the nerves, that's why adrenaline is boiling, and responsibility weighs heavily on the psyche.
This was told to me in Kubinka by a lieutenant colonel from the group when I brought him greetings from a school teacher, his relative, who taught me ... And then Igor was gone ...

[dchegrinec]

A stroke seems to be the result of high blood pressure. But how is it possible that the pilot could suffer from increased pressure and be allowed to fly? Or is it a spontaneous phenomenon during overloads ..

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: dchegrinec

A stroke seems to be the result of high blood pressure. But how is it possible that the pilot could suffer from increased pressure and be allowed to fly? Or is it a spontaneous phenomenon during overloads ..

I'm not an expert. But I think maybe the blood clot came off.

[CORNET]

Quote: dchegrinec

A stroke seems to be the result of high blood pressure. But how is it possible that the pilot could suffer from increased pressure and be allowed to fly? Or is it a spontaneous phenomenon during overloads ..

No and not always ... The plaque in the vessel comes off and clogs the blood supply to certain parts of the human brain, the pain is not always, just the hand ceases to act, you can’t talk, etc. .... The terrible thing! If you do not help in time (brain areas start to die ..) you can turn into a vegetable and you don’t even understand what happened to you ... Take care of yourself, men, it often happens with us 40-45 years old now and much younger ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: dchegrinec

A stroke seems to be the result of high blood pressure.

A stroke is a rupture of a vessel with subsequent hemorrhage. With the loads that pilots experience, this is quite likely.

[Thunderbolt]

I believe that with such low cloud cover, conducting group aerobatics was a dangerous business and the program had to be canceled. If even this was not the cause of the disaster, but still --- the group left the clouds in incomplete composition ...

[CORNET]

Quote: Thunderbolt

I believe that with such low cloud cover, conducting group aerobatics was a dangerous business and the program had to be canceled. If even this was not the cause of the disaster, but still --- the group left the clouds in incomplete composition ...

It is in this weather that the cores feel bad ...

[ancient]

Quote: CORNET

It is in this weather that the cores feel bad ...

Yes ... but here I am at 35 ... "I swallowed slightly toasted nails and ... even salt" (just kidding).
Well, we do not have ... "cores" ... they are immediately identified on the VLC!

[Wildfox]

Quote: Putin

Quote: Dr. Bormental

Dr. Bormental (5) Today, 09: 12 ↑ New
You will be awarded the Nobel Prize in medicine when you publish your own way of recognizing stroke at an early stage.

high blood pressure, heart pain, arrhythmia;
tendency to thrombosis;
diabetes;
overweight;
atherosclerosis, high cholesterol;
smoking and alcohol abuse;
vegetovascular dystonia and periodic ischemic attacks.
Few? And now we will put the pilot with this diagnosis and with the Kid on the suspension?

There is not a single sign of an approaching stroke here, only a description of high-risk groups! A stroke can also be in a completely healthy person, the blood supply to the brain is one of the most fragile systems. I’m interested in something else, like a pilot with a stroke took off an airplane, usually with brain damage, partial or complete paralysis or loss of coordination occurs. Wash a phony excuse.

[ancient]

Quote: WildFox

Wash a phony excuse.

Let's hope that it was "blasted out by the media aircraftsmen" !!!

[Sergey-72]

The military profession, and especially the pilot !!!, implies risk (for life). Honor and praise to the major that he did not take the lives of others. And to argue from what a stroke for honey can occur. sites.
PS, although we have enough military doctors.

[meriem1]

What happened is what happened. Nefig whine now. Glory to the Hero and may Zeil rest in peace. Amen.

[corporal]

Let me doubt a little.
Stroke is a good version for maintenance services, flight managers, commander-in-chief of the Aerospace Forces (at whose "request" these flights were carried out). Nobody's ass gets hurt. And now there is "know-how" - not the pilot is to blame, but the pilot's organism.

The Queen is delighted ... (c) Cat Hippopotamus.

[ancient]

Quote: Corporal

Stroke is a good version for maintenance services, flight managers, commander-in-chief of the Aerospace Forces (at whose "request" these flights were carried out). Nobody's ass gets hurt. And now there is "know-how" - not the pilot is to blame, but the pilot's organism.

That's right ... "but it won't work for them ..." although .. knowing what is now ... "reality" ... we can assume that ... and "they will swallow it"!

[Banishing liberoids]

Earth rest in peace!

[Vladimir]

Quote: meriem1

What happened is what happened.

What is true is true, perhaps this is one of a thousand cases, it is clear that the pilot had such a fate and there really was no one to blame. He rested in peace.

[iouris]

A message has already appeared that the relatives of the pilot will be paid 6 million rubles.
In the USA, relatives of a passenger of a liner in case of death in a plane crash were paid several years ago at least 0,5 million dollars were automatically paid. On average, the price of life is in the range of 2 ... 6 million.
Does anyone know if there is a legal basis for the existence of "aerobatic teams"? Does the pilot included in the group have any special status? Who pays for the "show"? Who makes the decision to "apply"? How is the scientific, methodological support of their activities organized? How is flight management organized?

[Pete mitchell]

He rest in peace.
Several years ago, my friend was vacationing in the turret region, swimming, not snorkeling, not diving, just swimming. There was a "click" in my head and my hand "hung", I returned home - a micro stroke. It took six months to restore. On Friday he wrote that he passed the medical examination and was "fit without restrictions." The next Thursday they buried him, he simply did not wake up in the morning, only he was over 40. This is the life of pilots, and it is often far from and does not fall under scientific descriptions.
He did everything right, rest in peace for him ...

[atamankko]

Condolences to relatives should be expressed,
and not show your knowledge in medicine.

[gg.na]

Medicine, after all, is not an exact science (not mathematics, not physics, not geometry, etc.) with an accuracy of thousandths of a micron to predict health as well as a disease is not possible no of course some diseases that doctors can predict I can not argue ... But not absolutely all! And man by nature is a combination of many mechanisms and details with different directions and different processes, and that's why doctors can’t predict everything, they are the same people as you and me. Doctors are not gods, they are just people! I offer my condolences relatives and friends of the crashed pilot Sergei Yaremenko.

[avg-mgn]

Quote: Putin

high blood pressure, heart pain, arrhythmia;
tendency to thrombosis;
diabetes;
overweight;
atherosclerosis, high cholesterol;
smoking and alcohol abuse;
vegetovascular dystonia and periodic ischemic attacks.

Well here you can’t argue with a specialist (neurophysiology and not only are forgotten.) With such a set and in a coffin it’s uncomfortable. But the pilot is, first and foremost, a living person, I emphasize, living, and like any living organism, failures are possible, not to mention a piece of iron, even three times duplicated. Without data from the boxes there is nothing to talk about, you have to take it on faith ...

[Sergey-72]

Quote: Corporal

Let me doubt a little.
Stroke is a good version for maintenance services, flight managers, commander-in-chief of the Aerospace Forces (at whose "request" these flights were carried out). Nobody's ass gets hurt. And now there is "know-how" - not the pilot is to blame, but the pilot's organism.

The Queen is delighted ... (c) Cat Hippopotamus.

I don’t want to beg our equipment for so long, the option with a stroke (pilot’s health), in this case, is not logical to say the least. This is an elite unit, a flight commander .... What can be the conclusions? ...

[iouris]

Quote: Sergey-72

This is an elite unit, a flight commander .... What conclusions can there be?

Sad conclusions. It is necessary to change this system.

[ancient]

Quote: iouris

Sad conclusions. It is necessary to change this system.

That's YES, but ... unfortunately ... THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE !!! +!

[iouris]

So sooner or later something will happen.

[newcomer]

Okay, enough doctors to make a fool of themselves. the ace pilot died, and you deployed the council here. and the pilot’s feat was that he didn’t abandon the car, leading all the way away from the village, realizing that at the cost of his life. kingdom of heaven to the pilot of the asu.

[gg.na]

Quote: newbie

and the pilot’s feat was that he didn’t abandon the car, leading all the way away from the village, realizing that at the cost of his life. kingdom of heaven to the pilot of the asu.

I totally agree with you!

[bad]

it is necessary to draw conclusions from the tragedy .. how the way out of the situation is to create a robotic aircraft control system in supercritical situations .. without the participation of the pilot in pre-planned situations .. the car, in case of inadequate pilot behavior, takes control itself and returns to the base airfield or the nearest spare ... you can save the pilot and the car, and exclude the death of people on the ground .. and this is not a fantasy .. "Buran" landed without a human presence .. and this was when it was ..

[termite]

armor is strong and our nanks are fast
MiG-27 crashed in western India, two houses damaged

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: termit

armor is strong and our nanks are fast
MiG-27 crashed in western India, two houses damaged

Sorry, Bedbug, that you were not in one of the houses.

[dvg1959]

A pilot is a heroic profession. The pilots of the "Russian Knights" are doubly heroes.
What tricks do they do.
Every flight is a feat.
This is an undeniable fact.
These people need to be respected, they are constantly risking their lives and still do their job.
Technology has not yet reached such perfection when you can fly without risk.
Let us honor the memory of the deceased.
Eternal memory to him.

[megafair]

I have not read all the comments, there are many of them ...

I have one question:
Like a pilot who had a stroke (again - what the hell was he with, was he overload at that moment and got the car out?), flying in a straight line, having a stroke - I managed to taxi, and managed to eject ... Or I don’t understand something in the diagnosis, or someone does not make the correct diagnosis.

If a person who, at an extremely low altitude, taking the car away from the village, ejected and did not survive, some "doctors" find signs of a stroke, - I would like to ask these doctors a question, "as they understood what the stroke was - BEFORE the bailout, and not as a result of it!"
??

[Bayonet]

Quote: megafair

, "how they understood that the stroke was - BEFORE the ejection, and not as a result of it!"

Forensic medicine can tell you exactly when the death occurred, from what and how. In this case, I dare to suggest that the nature of the hemorrhage can be determined when it happened - after hitting the ground, the heart did not work exactly. Experts know many subtleties about which we have no idea.

[engineer74]

I am not a pilot or a medic. On the photo lies almost the whole engine (as far as it can be seen)! As far as I know, upon impact of the WORKING GTE, it collapses almost completely ...
IMHO, at the time of the collision with the ground, this engine did not work!

[Avis24]

VLK and pre-flight inspection turned 50% into a formality. The severity of doctors is often determined by "cockroaches" in the head. The former TsNIAG turned into a semi-commercial organization of snobs, although real doctors remained there. In this regard, I have only positive emotions from the Kirov Military Medical Academy in St. Petersburg. There are fans of their craft. To all the causes of strokes I will add vertebral artery syndrome, which occurs against the background of sewing osteochondrosis. I almost bent my head, turned and OP, ischemic stroke.
And one example: a 32-year-old pilot in flight doubles in his eyes and his hands go numb. Secretly checked: 2mm hearth burst vessel. It was also quietly treated and flies further. VLK in the hospital did not notice anything. May God grant him health.

[Avis24]

VLK and pre-flight inspection turned 50% into a formality. The severity of doctors is often determined by "cockroaches" in the head. The former TsNIAG turned into a semi-commercial organization of snobs, although real doctors remained there. In this regard, I have only positive emotions from the Kirov Military Medical Academy in St. Petersburg. There are fans of their craft. To all the causes of strokes I will add vertebral artery syndrome, which occurs against the background of sewing osteochondrosis. I almost bent my head, turned and OP, ischemic stroke.
And one example: a 32-year-old pilot in flight doubles in his eyes and his hands go numb. Secretly checked: 2mm hearth burst vessel. It was also quietly treated and flies further. VLK in the hospital did not notice anything. May God grant him health.

[sgapich]

"... TASS reports a message from one of the members of the commission to investigate the causes of the tragedy."

I have a friend at the IAC (Interstate Aviation Committee), I've known each other for about 20 years. We meet, however, about 10 times a year. So here. During meetings, he talks a lot and interestingly about work, but not a word about the investigation, says: we will lay out the official conclusion on the site - read.