Military Review

The crisis of the surface forces of the Northern Fleet

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Admiral V. Korolev became our "first sea lord" just two months ago (07? .04.2016). Prior to that, as is known, he acted as commander-in-chief (with 11.2015), headed the joint strategic command (USC) North (with 22.12.2014), and before its formation - the Northern Fleet (with 23.06.2011). Recently, the admiral has been very busy strengthening our military presence in the Arctic, so I do not intend to reproach him for the desolation to which the surface forces of the Northern Fleet have come - I just focus on this.



As can be seen from the table, from mid-2014 to mid-2016, i.e., for two years, of the nine main naval surface ships of the North fleet only two (22%) showed worthy activity in distant waters: the BPC Severomorsk and Vice Admiral Kulakov. Six others spent almost all this time either in reserve, or at VTG, or in lengthy repairs with modernization. The ninth, the destroyer Admiral Ushakov, can’t be monitored at all, because (according to media reports) it rarely goes into the sea and just as rarely gets into the lens at the berth in Severomorsk. As far as we know, the last time Ushakov was on a long voyage on August 23.08-14.09.2005-11, XNUMX (as part of the Kuznetsov KAG in the Atlantic), and an XNUMX-year stay in the OVR forces suggests sad thoughts.

How did it happen (and who is to blame for this) that most of the shipboard staff of the Federation Council for the long term was not in business (in the state not ready for use) - a question worthy of the attention of the main command of the RF Armed Forces and the competent authorities. Moreover, this is not the only or even the worst example - the multipurpose component of the atomic submarine forces of the Pacific Fleet is still completely absent (listed only on paper) - this has been repeatedly mentioned in the journal, and nothing changes. We need an effective (fast and high-quality) planned military ship repair, and some of its samples (well, or a close enough approximation to that) we already have - Dalzavod, 13-th SRZ and not only. USC need to pull the rest, and the Navy does not bring the matter to crowds in the bases and SRH. Big ships have a place in the ocean.
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  1. General70
    General70 10 June 2016 21: 27
    +8
    belay Yes, the situation is sad
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 10 June 2016 22: 15
      .
      Quote: General70
      Yes, the situation is sad

      I wonder who the author of this author is Write ?! After all, if the Fleet says its word, then it will be very bad for him, and I will help.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 10 June 2016 22: 50
        +49
        Quote: Tol100v
        After all, if the fleet says its word ... and I will help.
        The fleet, after such criticism, will immediately establish a planned ship repair and will you help him in this? What are you capable of? Work for the good of the Fatherland welded or, for example, a locksmith? Do not hesitate, skilled workforce is always in price.
        Damn, they are not capable of perceiving already reasoned criticism of our shortcomings. Well then read the news, where Ukrainians are not doing well - it will certainly warm your soul.
      2. severyanin
        severyanin 11 June 2016 01: 31
        +15
        Quote: Tol100v
        I wonder who the author of this author is Write ?! After all, if the Fleet says its word, then it will be very bad for him, and I will help.

        And in your opinion, on this site you need only URYAYA !!! shout? Open your eyes and try to think with your head, and if the topic is not close to you, then ask knowledgeable people not to look silly! hi
        And the FLEET tells you personally - the author described everything correctly! Absolutely everything to the point and so to speak "on a sore corn" sad
        1. ava09
          ava09 11 June 2016 11: 55
          -3
          Quote: severyanin
          And the FLEET tells you personally - the author described everything correctly! Absolutely everything to the point and so to speak "on a sore corn"

          There are many individuals with an undeveloped mental apparatus, unfortunately, always and everywhere. Among them, there are many Urya “patriots”. But I will note, the author, I do not know whether due to unconsciousness, or for provocative purposes, he tried to introduce such a virus into the consciousness of the lop-eared (c) Admiral V. Korolev became our "first sea lord" (c) And it does not matter that the throw-in definition is in quotes. ..
      3. Blondy
        Blondy 11 June 2016 01: 33
        0
        The crisis of the surface forces of the Northern Fleet

        Oh - what headlines.
      4. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 June 2016 02: 30
        +6
        Quote: Tol100v
        I wonder who the author of this author is Write ?!
        apparently indifference = author A. Shishkin:Honestly, I was sad to write this, but facts are a stubborn thing.
        http://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/135445.html#comments
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      6. Fayth
        Fayth 11 June 2016 03: 30
        +5
        Minus deserved, tk. You are an idiot and a traitor telling "how good it is in the land of the Soviets." And these show-offs about "yes, and I will help" ... what can you do?
      7. Ustinov 055 055
        Ustinov 055 055 14 June 2016 10: 02
        +1
        Quote: Tol100v
        After all, if the Fleet says its word, then it will be very bad for him, and I will help.

        The fleet speaks its word. I would print the same thing, but I can’t, as an acting officer. The man is completely right, but in reality it’s worse
  2. JackTheRipper
    JackTheRipper 10 June 2016 21: 30
    +3
    The Americans were counting on this when our Kursk was drowned, because it was the youngest of the series of "loaves". According to their estimates at that time, by 2020 we will neither have anything in the Strategic Missile Forces (a single number of Topol-Ms, as they imagined), nor in the Navy.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 June 2016 21: 59
      -3
      With the Strategic Missile Forces, everything is fine with us, both with land and with air and sea.
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        1. antivirus
          antivirus 10 June 2016 23: 23
          +9
          I was kicked out for 6 days for such a "p ... b", and here the robot is sleeping?
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 10 June 2016 22: 01
      +7
      Quote: JackTheRipper
      when our Kursk was drowned,

      Yes, as much as you can already. No Americans drowned him. Do not insult Russian sailors and SF.
      In addition, 949 have no relation to the Strategic Missile Forces
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 10 June 2016 22: 44
        +36
        But the submariners who served in command positions in the early 2000s have a completely different opinion!
        I personally communicated with them six months after the tragedy. And their opinion was unanimous ...
        Therefore, they "consigned to oblivion" for lying Kuroedov, Popov with Motsak, and about the "red cockerel" - Dygailo
        and do not talk!
        Take it yourself and put it on, or rather turn on the brains:
        - data on damage, repair and subsequent replenishment of ammunition in the Norwegian Tromsø submarine "Memphis",
        - a hasty visit by the head of the CIA to Moscow and writing off $ 10 billion of the debt of the Russian Federation to the IMF in just a week,
        - the unprecedented lies of our media about the allegedly successful emergency rescue operation, when they could not even get there, not to open the emergency hatches,
        - refusal from the help of foreign rescuers - God forbid they see what they don’t need to know,
        -mum didn’t even have to remove Ustinov’s PD-50 from a different angle so that the inlet with characteristic torn edges directed into the inside of the case between the 2nd and 3rd compartment was not visible,
        which corresponds to the seeker guidance algorithm mk.48 mod.2-3.
        And you can also cite a number of very interesting moments as an example, but I do not want to "substitute" my friends who are still in the service of the sovereign.
        Well, of course, the culmination of this "theater of absurdity on blood" was - Putin's pitiful babble in front of the families in DOP Vidyaevo and his answer to the question about "Kursk" - "SHE DROWNED" with a Jesuit grin on her sleek face!
        After all this, I hated him as a person until the end of my life!
        And as a miner by education, I will say one thing - I do not believe in the version that an explosion of a practical 53-65k in a torpedo tube and even on a rack in the 1st compartment of the "loaf" (and I was there and I really imagine this volume) could cause such an instant growth temperature and pressure to provoke detonation of ammunition!
        All this lies!
        And this lie is the greatest insult to the crew of the Kursk and. all divers!
        Eternal memory to them!
        1. arane
          arane 10 June 2016 23: 20
          +12
          For capmore! From me a fat plus. I agree one hundred percent. I’ll add from myself that no practical firing is carried out in areas with a depth of one hundred meters, it is more likely a trim area.
          And correction, the torpedo is not 53-65k. Rather, 65-76. But they have one essence
        2. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 10 June 2016 23: 29
          0
          Quote: kepmor
          Take it yourself and put it on, or rather turn on the brains:

          Really zadolbali already with "Kursk, which the Americans drowned"
          This is where all your arguments are dealt with in detail.
          http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/3266779/post287058437/
          The article is already three years old hi
          1. arane
            arane 10 June 2016 23: 53
            +7
            Quote: Corporal Valera
            Quote: kepmor
            Take it yourself and put it on, or rather turn on the brains:

            Really zadolbali already with "Kursk, which the Americans drowned"
            This is where all your arguments are dealt with in detail.
            http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/3266779/post287058437/
            The article is already three years old hi


            I read the article at this link. Bullshit. Fiction based reasoning.
            By the way, I do not claim that the Kursk was torpedoed. I do not know what happened there, but this version cannot be ruled out. Yes, so categorically.
            I don't care what the prosecutor and experts said there. We will never know the truth.
            I have only one question for the prosecutor ......
            For all examinations and other garbage do not care.
            Logbooks are being kept on the pl. If you think that he is there alone, then you are deeply mistaken. There are about two dozen of them. And one thing unites them. In all of them emergency, training and combat alarms are recorded. These are indisputable documents. And they were found. Maybe not all, but found. And the accident of ammunition, and someone's torpedo attack would invariably be repelled.
            Where?
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 10 June 2016 23: 57
              -1
              Quote: arane
              I don't care what the prosecutor and experts said there. We will never know the truth.

              Your right. Believe it or not. It’s just wrong, to see the CONSPIRACY in everything
              1. arane
                arane 11 June 2016 00: 05
                +7
                Quote: Corporal Valera
                Quote: arane
                I don't care what the prosecutor and experts said there. We will never know the truth.

                Your right. Believe it or not. It’s just wrong, to see the CONSPIRACY in everything

                Yes, there is no conspiracy here. Just logbooks of the ship, command posts and battle stations - this is its black box ....
                And not a word about them ....
                So the question arises. Why?
                1. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 11 June 2016 00: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: arane
                  And not a word about them ....
                  So the question arises. Why?

                  Why not a word? 2002 year:
                  http://ria.ru/incidents/20020218/74517.html
                  1. Papandopulo
                    Papandopulo 11 June 2016 00: 56
                    -5
                    we are waiting for similar articles about how the Turks did not shoot down the F-16 ... oh, Su-25, oh Su-24

                    Are you from the Dutch prosecutor’s office?
                    1. Corporal Valera
                      Corporal Valera 11 June 2016 14: 24
                      0
                      Quote: Papandopulo
                      Are you from the Dutch prosecutor’s office?

                      Are you not from French television?
                      1. Papandopulo
                        Papandopulo 12 June 2016 13: 50
                        -2
                        And you are not the same Austrian corporal?
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                3. Ustinov 055 055
                  Ustinov 055 055 14 June 2016 10: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: arane
                  Just logbooks of the ship, command posts and battle stations - this is its black box ....
                  You can ask you a question whether you served on a submarine or a tax code, I know firsthand how the ZHUS is conducted and the like. Sometimes they simply do not have time or are later added. Here's an example of what you had to write during the exercises when Dobroskochenko issued such a pearl - Since Maryata does not change course, BC-2 gives the go-ahead for launching through Maryata island 10 witnesses to this, one of them is now commanding the fleet with another division.
              2. Papandopulo
                Papandopulo 11 June 2016 00: 59
                +3
                Quote: Corporal Valera
                wrong it, see the plot in everything


                Quote: dvina71

                Yes, as much as you can already. No Americans drowned him.


                why do you say so categorically about it?
                1. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 11 June 2016 04: 28
                  -2
                  Quote: Papandopulo
                  why do you say so categorically about it?

                  Because your, like, trolling weighs much less than the opinion of specialists. And the arguments given kepmorbut they fight easily and simply. I have not seen others yet. But you can believe what you want. Though attacked by aliens
                  1. Papandopulo
                    Papandopulo 11 June 2016 05: 08
                    -2
                    You have trolling with an alien attack, and you have never even seen specialists.
                    1. Papandopulo
                      Papandopulo 11 June 2016 05: 58
                      0
                      Because see above about the "market gypsies".
                      On anti-Russian contentment.
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                  3. Vasiliev Yu
                    Vasiliev Yu 11 June 2016 07: 10
                    +6
                    Quote: Corporal Valera
                    Quote: Papandopulo
                    why do you say so categorically about it?

                    Because your, like, trolling weighs much less than the opinion of specialists. And the arguments given kepmorbut they fight easily and simply. I have not seen others yet. But you can believe what you want. Though attacked by aliens

                    All this is easily beaten by Putin's behavior. Maybe you are so young that you don’t remember this, maybe you just didn’t pay attention.
                    And I, as a former submariner, closely followed the epic with the Kursk.
                    Also, I hated Yeltsin, and when he left Putin behind him, I did not believe him therefore. Also, when he gave up bases in Cuba and Cam Ranh in Vietnam, especially when the Mir space station was drowned for the sake of pin ... dosam, I could not calmly watch him on TV. And all this changed dramatically after the Kursk. He then began to conduct his policy, to make decisions not to please the ame ... rams, and at the same time pin ... they were silent in a rag.
            2. eugene
              eugene 11 June 2016 00: 22
              -1
              In the nest ... shove. Ah, faking brains was not enough. It’s hard to make such a fake volume. Especially so that the specialists also TRUSTED it.
              Almost impossible work.
              So it has not been completed.
            3. Papandopulo
              Papandopulo 11 June 2016 01: 06
              +1
              It is possible and necessary - CATEGORY even gypsies about ... bt in the market, and here are the political technologists ...

              At first it was predicted, then there was a clash of the hulls, then an unidentified nuclear submarine, which later turned out to be American, lay down on the ground and launched an emergency buoy, transmitting with its report what happened and that it had problems with the Russians.

              After that, CIA Director Tennet rushed straight to the Kremlin, without going to Lubyanka, "to settle the conflict."
        3. dvina71
          dvina71 10 June 2016 23: 55
          +9
          Quote: kepmor
          And as a miner by education, I will say one thing - I do not believe in the version that an explosion of a practical 53-65k in a torpedo tube and even on a rack in the 1st compartment of the "loaf" (and I was there and I really imagine this volume) could cause such an instant growth temperature and pressure to provoke detonation of ammunition!
          All this lies!
          And this lie is the greatest insult to the crew of the Kursk and. all divers!
          Eternal memory to them!

          Exactly. No torpedo, neither ours nor American nor 949 can inflict such damage.
          The second one. During the tragedy there were exercises. Where the surface soldiers were supposed to find pl. Do you understand? How they didn’t find Mumphis or whom you found there. It is this that offends both the crew of Kursk and the surface troops. It turns out that they are complete suckers. And they did not find the enemy nuclear submarines at a distance of launching a torpedo. Are you serious?
          And the third. I personally know those who built this boat, handed over and the three people who served there. Bch2 commander, boatswain and signalman. And from them I heard only one version. The boat died for technical reasons.
          1. eugene
            eugene 11 June 2016 00: 18
            -7
            Three is power.
            And most importantly, she not only died for TECHNICAL reasons, but did not want to save the rags from under the water for the same reasons!
            FOR TECHNICAL REASONS.
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 11 June 2016 01: 05
              +7
              Quote: eugene
              Three is power.

              Often one is enough.
              They began to save the brotherhood immediately. After 4 hours, there was a rescue capsule on the hull. But they could not equalize the pressure, they did not open the hatch and the team remained on board the boat.
              After a few more hours there was no one to save. Cold water did the trick. According to the conclusion of medical experts in the aft compartment, no one choked.
              How long will you live in water +5?
              1. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera 11 June 2016 04: 37
                +1
                Quote: Papandopulo
                The nose of the boat was sawn off under water so that no one except the divers and those who had access would see them. Then they didn’t lift the sawn part off and they broke it with bottom bombs because of the same thing.

                yes And then the combat swimmers pulled the wreckage along the neighboring seas.
                1. Papandopulo
                  Papandopulo 11 June 2016 05: 31
                  -2
                  Maybe not. You answer in essence come on, instead of building faces.
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              2. Papandopulo
                Papandopulo 11 June 2016 05: 33
                -1
                They could not dock / moor and open it because there was damage on the hatch.
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              4. kepmor
                kepmor 11 June 2016 12: 39
                0
                Dear, I answer you:
                1.This exercise is the ZTU fleet, which is held annually in August in the vast waters of the Barents Sea (from Liinakhamari to the throat of the White Sea) - thousands of square miles.
                Hydrology of the sea 3-4 type - "layer cake" with one or two "jump layers", plus shallow depths of 120-220 meters in total. It is very, very difficult to find a foreign submarine under these conditions for the low-level GAS ships that are guarded by the OBK or are on the lines of closing the firing areas. The detection distance of the NK submarine is always several times longer.
                And I don't see any guilt, let alone shame, for the "rascals", because. he himself took part in ZTU 5 times, as the commander of the PLO ship and the commander of the formation!
                Whether the Kursk was discovered by the IPL or not, no one will know now, although information should remain in the logbooks, but they are classified and I think forever ...
                And your expression - "fuckers" is clearly not appropriate!
                2. What "4 hours" are you talking about?
                The tragedy occurred at 11.28 12.08. The submarine did not go to the communication sessions at 17.30 and 23.30 and only after that was declared "emergency".
                I discovered it at 04.50 on 13.08 and only at 18.00 the first bathyscaphe was lowered - more than a day has passed!
                3. Seismic stations recorded two explosions, with an interval of 2 minutes, the first -1.5 points, the second 3.5 points on the Richter scale.
                And you want to say that the explosion of hydrogen peroxide and kerosene in the dashboard, and even in the TA, is 1.5 points? Was there anything more than a ton of oxidizer and fuel in it?
                1. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 11 June 2016 14: 40
                  0
                  Sorry, accidentally put you a plus.
                  Quote: kepmor
                  And you want to say

                  Firstly, not me, but various research institutes and academics. Secondly, you’ll excuse me, but their opinion means much more to me than yours.
                  Quote: kepmor
                  that the explosion of hydrogen peroxide and kerosene in the dashboard, and even in the TA, is 1.5 points? Was there anything more than a ton of oxidizer and fuel in it?

                  Seismologists equated the first explosion (1.5 points) in power equal to 100-200 kg in TNT equivalent.
                  http://glavred.info/archive/2010/10/24/113652-13.html
                  In Dagestan, an explosion of more than 100 kg of TNT is being investigated

                  Moreover, it occurred in a confined space.
                  1. Papandopulo
                    Papandopulo 13 June 2016 01: 04
                    -4
                    The hydroacoustics of the ships around equated what, like the subsequent noise?
                    Yours does not mean to anyone.
          2. Papandopulo
            Papandopulo 11 June 2016 01: 11
            0
            What kind of damage? The nose of the boat was sawn off under water so that no one but the divers and those who had access were allowed to see them. Then they did not begin to pick up the sawn part off, and they smashed at the bottom with depth bombs all because of the same.
            Torpedoes are surface ships breaking in half.
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 11 June 2016 01: 32
              +5
              Quote: Papandopulo
              What kind of damage? The nose of the boat was sawn off under water so that no one but the divers and those who had access were allowed to see them.

              What did not see? When didn’t you see? what are you talking about? There was a serious danger that the bow would fall off during lifting. Even a displacement of such a mass would cause an unbalance and a possible break in the lifting cables.
              Sawed off to raise.
              All damage is clearly visible.

              Look here. It is clearly seen that in the upper part there is simply no piece of the case.
              1. eugene
                eugene 11 June 2016 01: 47
                +2
                On these frames, the work is already in full swing! Forests - the sea ... Partially, much has been handed down. Not that example for your truth.
                Here's an earlier shot and from a better angle.
                1. dvina71
                  dvina71 11 June 2016 02: 04
                  0
                  Quote: eugene
                  Here's an earlier shot and from a better angle.

                  AND? How does he refute my words? Rather, it is a confirmation of my side.
                  1. Papandopulo
                    Papandopulo 11 June 2016 05: 55
                    -3
                    What kind. These ones?
                    Quote: dvina71

                    What did not see? When didn’t you see? what are you talking about?
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              2. Papandopulo
                Papandopulo 11 June 2016 02: 12
                +3
                Sawed off like sappers, laying on a sand cushion without fear that at the same time something could explode there?
                Clearly what is missing, and because of what? Records of underwater examination before sawing where?
                It is much easier to correctly hang when lifting, tying and ensuring the 0th buoyancy, than to saw off under such conditions and volumes under water.
                Why then didn’t they pick up the sawn off, destroying the evidence underwater with deep bombs?

                Saw Schur, saw ... grants, for this in the media, they are so gold ...
                1. dvina71
                  dvina71 11 June 2016 02: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: Papandopulo
                  Sawed off like sappers, laying on a sand cushion without fear that at the same time something could explode there?
                  Clearly what is missing, and because of what? Records of underwater examination before sawing where?
                  It is much easier to correctly hang when lifting, tying and ensuring the 0th buoyancy, than to saw off under such conditions and volumes under water.

                  What nonsense are you writing?
                  What was supposed to explode after the explosion of the boat that turned the floor?
                  What are you going to hang out there?
                  \ ON look ..from the first person .. people raised.
                  1. Papandopulo
                    Papandopulo 11 June 2016 05: 12
                    -5
                    "Shura", you answer the questions, instead of writing the duty "nonsense" and posting foreign videos ...
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        4. eugene
          eugene 11 June 2016 01: 39
          -2
          Quote: kepmor
          . "SHE DROWNED"

          When these words were first heard on TV, I hit my face with my palm and smeared my snot and tears.
        5. Serg65
          Serg65 11 June 2016 06: 29
          +6
          Quote: kepmor
          inlet with characteristic torn edges directed into the inside of the housing between 2 and 3 compartment,
          which corresponds to the seeker guidance algorithm mk.48 mod.2-3.

          what Something I missed in my life ... MK-48 became an armor-piercing torpedo ??? Hd century live century learn!
        6. Vadim237
          Vadim237 11 June 2016 09: 50
          +2
          This hole between the 2nd and 3rd compartments was cut out by divers to penetrate the submarine if it was a Mk 48 torpedo. There would be a huge hole - from a torpedo explosion - Kursk died from a torpedo explosion in a torpedo tube.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 11 June 2016 10: 24
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            This hole between 2 and 3 compartments was cut by divers

            This is more true drinks , otherwise I thought that the "uncorrupted" American military-industrial complex had invented an armor-piercing cumulative torpedo bully
            Quote: Vadim237
            to penetrate a submarine if it was an Mk 48 torpedo there would be a huge hole

            Vadim. In connection with the death of the Kursk, I somehow read the pearls of one figure, and so he argued that TWO torpedoes hit the Kursk. The first hit the bull (yes, yes, it was the bull wassat ), and the second with uranium core made exactly this even hole. Now all this nonsense is being attempted by the average statistical man !!!
          2. kepmor
            kepmor 11 June 2016 13: 11
            -4
            "This hole between the 2 and 3 compartments was cut by divers to get into the submarine" ...
            Have you ever gone down under water, even in light diving equipment?
            Apparently not, if you write this.
            There, in the video, a hole with a diameter of about 1 meter, how can a diver in deep-sea equipment get into it? Yes, and why? Well, if only heroically die inside the boat.
            What do you think that inside the submarine is entirely open space and freedom of movement, especially after such destruction?
            Your sarcasm about MK.48 mod.3-5 is clear to me, Wikipedia has read ...
            But there are other sources (secret) where everything is stated in detail ... did not read? It's a pity!
            Of course, the shtatovites are "such" to keep their submarines armed with torpedoes that can penetrate only the light hull of our boats.
            Bravo! Prize in the studio ...
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 11 June 2016 14: 46
              +2
              Quote: kepmor
              But there are other sources (secret)

              Won cho, mykhalych!
              Quote: kepmor
              hole about 1 meter in diameter

              And how do you explain that only the light body is "pierced", and the solid body is intact in the same place? How did the torpedo sink the boat through only the light hull?
      2. Navigator
        Navigator 11 June 2016 00: 16
        +1
        And why are you so loudly declaring about the Kursk? How do you know the reasons for his death? If you do not accept the version with the Americans, then explain the reasons for the death of the Kursk.
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 11 June 2016 01: 16
          +7
          Quote: Navigator
          Why are you so loudly declaring about the Kursk? How do you know the reasons for his death?

          I know from the people who built, rented and exploited this boat. Not enough?
          Then answer the question .. even a few ..
          As the American apl approached Kursk at a launch distance and not only did Kursk not notice this, but also the BOD, IPC, TARK, which, according to the legend of the pl exercises, were supposed to miss the enemy?
          What damage does a torpedo do on a ship’s hull? Smooth, round?
          Not. Torpedoes are not able to penetrate the hull of the boat. There is no speed. Nor form. And the hull of the boat is designed to dive up to 600m, and a maximum of 200 more.
          Estimate the scale of destruction and estimate what explosion has such a blast wave? I recall - at least two rigid bulkheads were demolished, a piece of the nose compartment was torn out. Is this all a torpedo?
          And now from the vendors. The boat was taken at the direct direction of EBN. The military did not want to accept it. The reason was the batteries from the decommissioned boat. Awful gas. According to the boatswain, it was dangerous to sink into the accumulator pit without a breathing apparatus.
          1. eugene
            eugene 11 June 2016 01: 36
            +1
            And why did her nose rip off? Gases from the "battery pit"?
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 11 June 2016 01: 52
              +2
              And to think ..not?
              Hydrogen is the most efficient and environmentally friendly fuel. In terms of lower heat of combustion per unit mass, it is 2.75 times higher than gasoline, has a higher lower limit and a much wider ignition interval in a mixture with air (from 4 to 75 vol%), an order of magnitude higher propagation velocity of the laminar flame (about 3 m / c) lower values ​​of the ignition energy of the stoichiometric mixture (0.018 mJ) and quenching distances (0.6 mm) and higher combustion temperatures (for a laminar flame in air - 2300 K) and self-ignition in air (850 K).

              Gasoline ... rather, gasoline vapors.

              Hydrogen is many times more powerful.
              1. eugene
                eugene 11 June 2016 03: 28
                -1
                You compare the size of the Lada tank and its volume with the size of the TANK of the torpedo and the SIZE of the boat! In geometry, I had 3 in mathematics. Do you, apparently, get worse? At the same time, such a concentration of vapors (i.e. an empty Lada tank with ONE pairs!) Could not have arisen in the torpedo hull - IN PRINCIPLE! What, the torpedo was already with a spent engine and fuel residues (vapors)? Did she return to the parking lot with an empty tank, having sailed the sea then back to the torpedo compartment?
                Longing with such logic.
          2. Papandopulo
            Papandopulo 11 June 2016 05: 17
            -3
            And who died in it or were in touch at this time?
            Why did he get that Kursk or other ships didn’t notice her?
        2. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 11 June 2016 04: 59
          +1
          Quote: Navigator
          then explain the reasons for the death of "Kursk".

          For several years everything has been explained. To you together eugene, Papandopulo и kepmorthey modestly oppose:
          - The staff of the Rubin Central Design Bureau of MT and Academician I.D. Spassky;
          - The staff of the Central Research Institute. Krylova and Academician V.M. Pashin;
          - The staff of the Central Research Institute of CM "Prometheus" and Academician I.V. Gorynin;
          - Employees of the Central Research Institute "Gidpropribor", KB "Malakhit", KB "Lazurit", St. Petersburg Center for Speech Technologies, "Sevmashpredpriyatiya", 82 Shipyard:
          Moreover, the torpedo that exploded was directly inside the 4th torpedo tube.

          In a practical torpedo 65-76A, hydrogen peroxide was used as an oxidizing agent, and special kerosene was used as fuel.

          The primary impulse initiating the explosion of a practical torpedo arose as a result of abnormal processes that occurred inside the oxidizer reservoir of this torpedo. These processes were complex physico-chemical in nature.

          Hydrogen peroxide, upon receipt of the initial impulse for the development of the decomposition reaction, is capable of spontaneously decomposing into water and oxygen with a large thermal effect (temperature of about 2-3 thousand degrees Celsius). In order to assess the pressure developed in the torpedo and torpedo tubes, special experiments were conducted to simulate explosive loads. As a result, it was found that fragments of the torpedo (oxidizer reservoir) and the torpedo tube were destroyed by a pressure of about 50 thousand atmospheres.

          The primary impulse of decomposition of hydrogen peroxide arose from the contact of hydrogen peroxide with both organic (kerosene, antifreeze) and inorganic substances (metal). It is not possible to determine in more detail the specific mechanism of the occurrence of the decomposition site of hydrogen peroxide for obvious reasons (powerful explosive destruction).
          1. Papandopulo
            Papandopulo 11 June 2016 05: 20
            -3
            Modestly, the entire Fleet knows what was there under a subscription, but you can still push in as, according to the "official version", 911 skyscrapers were built from two planes in 3 from two planes.
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 11 June 2016 05: 38
              +2
              Quote: Papandopulo
              Modestly, the entire Fleet under a subscription knows what was there,

              laughing
              Quote: Papandopulo
              and you come again

              Correctly says not "you", but "you."
              Quote: Papandopulo
              official version "

              Get together and give us on the mountain how it was, Academician Papandopulo
              1. Papandopulo
                Papandopulo 11 June 2016 05: 48
                -4
                And you whimper on this subject yet ... It has already been written.
                1. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 11 June 2016 14: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: Papandopulo
                  And you whimper on this subject yet ...

                  Dear, poke around your family, please. Where you want and what you want. I understand that a reasoned argument is not your hobby, but it's more polite
                  1. Papandopulo
                    Papandopulo 12 June 2016 13: 56
                    -4
                    You write about yours, "polite" is ... where to whom and what. And answer above in essence, instead of making faces on this topic.
                    To argue with you is not worth what you are made of.
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    3. Lieutenant Izhe
      Lieutenant Izhe 10 June 2016 23: 31
      -1
      The Americans were counting on this when our Kursk was drowned,

      And, WHERE do you know ... WHAT "the Americans counted on WHEN our Kursk was drowned" ?!
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        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 10 June 2016 23: 49
          +8
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          Quote: Lieutenant Izhe
          Oh, WHERE do you know ... WHAT did the Americans count on WHEN our Kursk was drowned?! (DEbil, bl.d) -I HATE uryaIDIOTOFF !!! Padla, bl.d-inetovskaya, candom-
          YOU, SC.uk !!! ...

          - everything thumps, the campaign? wink
          - But three days are yet to come, forces must be .. calculated .. and cherished yes
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 10 June 2016 23: 51
            +3
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - everything thumps, the campaign?

            Denatured alcohol or what? Ivy even strong
      3. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 10 June 2016 23: 45
        +3
        Quote: Lieutenant Izhe
        Ah, WHERE do you know ... WHAT did the Americans count on WHEN our Kursk was drowned?! ! ...
      4. Papandopulo
        Papandopulo 11 June 2016 01: 17
        -5
        They didn’t count on anything, there, and the American Bukharik cap, which was so bursting like all of them, just grabbed a squirrel. And he commanded to respond with a combat torpedo in response to the shelling of the prkticheskimi (which is widespread practice) when ousting exercises from the square.
        This Turkish pilot planned to shoot down our plane on the orders of the NKP according to the plan.
        1. Papandopulo
          Papandopulo 11 June 2016 01: 35
          -6
          Oh, the minuses in response to the truth went ... but about Russian such posters mean you can?
        2. Papandopulo
          Papandopulo 11 June 2016 01: 35
          .
          Oh, the minuses in response to the truth went ... but about Russian such posters mean you can?
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 11 June 2016 05: 32
            +5
            Quote: Papandopulo
            but about Russian such posters mean you can?

            And where did you see the Russians in these pictures? Perverted fantasy however request
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            2. Papandopulo
              Papandopulo 11 June 2016 05: 40
              -3
              You don’t have enough to write such posts. Russians don’t dress like the first, and they don’t behave like the second.
        3. dvina71
          dvina71 11 June 2016 01: 37
          +4
          Quote: Papandopulo
          And he ordered to answer with a combat torpedo

          It must be assumed that you were at that time on the American nuclear submarine and sat next to the Turkish pilot later?
          1. Papandopulo
            Papandopulo 11 June 2016 02: 14
            -4
            Saw Schur, saw ... grants, for this in the media, they are so gold.
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 11 June 2016 02: 47
              +1
              Quote: Papandopulo
              Saw Schur, saw ... grants, for this in the media, they are so gold.

              And you look at the destruction of the boat and think .. how strong was the explosion.
              1. Papandopulo
                Papandopulo 11 June 2016 05: 23
                -1
                You should understand something in boats, pressure of sea water and explosions.
                Video boat at the bottom where? Just one thing?
                1. Vasiliev Yu
                  Vasiliev Yu 11 June 2016 07: 30
                  +2
                  A video at the bottom must be detailed. How else to determine if it is worth raising and how exactly?
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              3. Vadim237
                Vadim237 11 June 2016 09: 54
                0
                There were two explosions with a total capacity of 2 tons of TNT.
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  3. Verdun
    Verdun 10 June 2016 21: 31
    +6
    Big ships place in the ocean.
    Put the author a plus. The questions raised in the article are likely to affect many affected corns. Alas, without the availability of an effective repair base, the construction of any, the most modern ships, becomes meaningless. With the same success, you can just throw money away.
    1. masiya
      masiya 10 June 2016 22: 20
      0
      And why are you cringing here at all, it’s strange that the question of building new repair bases is being developed now and in Crimea, Kerch, Feodosia, large factories can do anything from boats to normal average tonnage of warships, for Norwegians in Kerch was built, and that we ourselves will not build ... ??
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 10 June 2016 23: 28
      0
      in the Mediterranean, it is necessary (Black Sea Fleet). and the North Sea and the Atlantic North-no (or 3rd stage after the Black Sea Fleet and Pacific Fleet)
  4. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 10 June 2016 21: 32
    +14
    What is true is true! The condition of the surface fleet of Russia leaves much to be desired. We have more than 100 dollar billionaires in our country, who have profited from the state, at our expense. Isn't it time to impose "dues" on them and oblige them to build, restore the infrastructure of the fleet, and help the state renew the fleet?
    1. lukke
      lukke 10 June 2016 21: 46
      +8
      In our country there are more than $ 100 billionaires who have made money at the expense of the state, at our expense with you.
      and also oblige them to replenish the gene pool of Russia, so that it would be from where naval officers and sailors to take))
      They will buy some picture of a Russian artist at a foreign auction and will return it to Russia with pomp - and that's good)
      And for the construction of the fleet, Peter the Great or Kuznetsov is needed)
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      2. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 10 June 2016 22: 27
        +2
        Quote: lukke
        They will buy some picture of a Russian artist at a foreign auction and will return it to Russia with pomp - and that's good)

        one word - "cellists"
    2. Vasiliy16
      Vasiliy16 10 June 2016 23: 19
      +4
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      What is true is true! The condition of the surface fleet of Russia leaves much to be desired. We have more than 100 dollar billionaires in our country, who have profited from the state, at our expense. Isn't it time to impose "dues" on them and oblige them to build, restore the infrastructure of the fleet, and help the state renew the fleet?

      Believe in fairy tales? Putin overlaid his. He doesn’t even want to cancel the flat tax scale.
  5. Winnie76
    Winnie76 10 June 2016 21: 33
    -4
    Raznosortitsa continuous, that’s what you need to get rid of. Americans cost the Burke and Ticonderoga
  6. Fin
    Fin 10 June 2016 21: 34
    +4
    Stupid, incompetent article of a chela far from the fleet.
    The resources of the GEC BOD are not eternal, because there are problems. Peter and Kuznetsov pass the tasks, Ushakov just returned from the seas (why he hasn’t gone to the dalnyak a hundred times already), the BDKs are running, with the exception of one.
    There are no other ships! And why the Queen dragged in general is not clear.
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 10 June 2016 21: 47
      +10
      Quote: Fin
      The resources of the GEC BOD are not eternal because there are problems

      For example, in the US Navy there are about 20 Ticonderoga-class cruisers and all are the same age as Admiral Ushakov. The earliest ones were written off, but more than half of the remaining ones intend to exploit for at least ten years. But we do not have such a large number of large ships, and even what we have is not possible to maintain in working condition. Really, problems ...
      1. Fin
        Fin 10 June 2016 22: 21
        +5
        Quote: Verdun
        But we do not have such a large number of large ships, and even what we have is not possible to maintain in working condition.

        Stopitsot times discussed. Once again: Ushakov is an extremely unsuccessful KTU, so almost all decommissioned or decommissioned, does not go far - dangerous. BOD - hard workers, the resource of the gas turbine was expended, the repair was just mastered (Ukrainian engines). In repair Chabanenko and Levchenko.
        1. Mister22408
          Mister22408 10 June 2016 23: 36
          0
          Type of flagship were not up to date?
  7. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 10 June 2016 21: 37
    +6
    The appearance of any problem implies the presence of its solution (or several). There is a reason, then there is a consequence of this reason. And therefore, there is nothing to dissolve the nurse, but you need to solve the problem angry And in order to rise high, you need to fall low. If a crisis has already come, then this means the bottom, and, therefore, all subsequent decisions should be a way out of the impasse. what
    The fleet should be a fleet, not a collection of scrap metal soldier And for this iron to float and benefit the country, PEOPLE must make their efforts! hi
    1. severyanin
      severyanin 11 June 2016 01: 44
      +1
      Quote: Rurikovich
      The appearance of any problem implies the presence of its solution (or several). There is a reason, then there is a consequence of this reason. And therefore, there is nothing to dissolve the nurse, but you need to solve the problem. And in order to rise high, you need to fall low. If a crisis has already come, then this means the bottom, and, therefore, all subsequent decisions should be a way out of the impasse.

      Not a comment, but a set of statuses from "VKontakte" wassat
      Quote: Rurikovich
      The Fleet should be a Fleet, not a collection of scrap metal. And for this iron to float and benefit the country, PEOPLE must make their efforts!

      Your g floats ... but in the toilet, the fleet is GOING !!! Literate pancake am
      Whoever needs it, and so do their best, believe me, just until you jump above your head! And judging by the comments, you can only attach little hands to the keyboard!
      No offense, but touched a living soldier
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 11 June 2016 06: 38
        +2
        Quote: severyanin
        Not a comment, but a set of statuses from "VKontakte"

        I do not sit in social networks hi unlike some wink
        It is time.
        Two, a lot of things hurt me too, but this is not a reason to insult a person. SWIMMING everything that can swim (laws of physics), ships go, I know this without snot. But if a person still not only speaks Russian, but also understands the structure of sentences, then he will understand that iron can’t go (based on the composition of the sentence)
        My comment does not humiliate anyone in any way, but simply briefly shows the opinion of one person who believes that instead of whining, one must do, then the Fleet will plow the seas! Fleet, not a couple of BOD. And if necessary, then you must jump above your head !!! Literate, damn it tongue
        1. severyanin
          severyanin 11 June 2016 11: 32
          +2
          Quote: Rurikovich
          I do not sit in social networks, unlike some
          It is time.
          Two, a lot of things hurt me too, but this is not a reason to insult a person. SWIMMING everything that can swim (laws of physics), ships go, I know this without snot. But if a person still not only speaks Russian, but also understands the structure of sentences, then he will understand that iron can’t go (based on the composition of the sentence)
          My comment does not humiliate anyone in any way, but simply briefly shows the opinion of one person who believes that instead of whining, one must do, then the Fleet will plow the seas! Fleet, not a couple of BOD. And if necessary, then you must jump above your head !!! Literate, damn it

          Sorry, of course, if I offended you, but as the saying goes "if you are so smart, why don't you go in formation?"
          I had an "A" in Russian at school in those days when no one had ever heard of the Unified State Exam.
          And about your previous comment, which "shows the opinion of one person" - you are not a case in the State. Do you live in the Duma, engage in such verbiage? As if I watched the news on TV, where guys in expensive suits are pushing pretentious speeches, puffing out their cheeks, but in fact then - zilch am And your phrases from the category "Everything that can swim" does not show knowledge of the laws of physics, but disregard for naval traditions and isolation from the "sea" theme, IMHO
          It touched me vividly because, unlike you, I REALLY, on duty, deal with the issue of speedy restoration and commissioning of the missile cruiser, which has been stuck in Severodvinsk for the so-called repair for the SIXTH year!
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 11 June 2016 06: 41
        +1
        Quote: severyanin
        Your g floats ... but in the toilet, the fleet is GOING !!! Literate pancake

        And you, respected in the course of the morning, start with the fact that "my mother is on my chest without the sea, I can't live"?
        1. severyanin
          severyanin 11 June 2016 11: 20
          +2
          My dear, my morning begins with raising the flag on one of the remaining cruisers of the Northern Fleet, and you, comrade "general" do not rush to judge so as not to look stupid hi
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 11 June 2016 12: 25
            +2
            Quote: severyanin
            I, dear, the morning begins with the flag raising on one of the remaining SF cruisers

            Eugene, if not a secret then which of the four?
            Quote: severyanin
            and you, comrade "general" do not hurry with judgments, so as not to look stupid

            My dear, they scribbled a tunic on me (so as not to offend you) ..... Moreover, I have an 3 BS and ass in shells, but I don’t get smart about the hole and what floats in it! Especially in the Navy, no one canceled the terms subfloor, crew. Good luck, Eugene drinks And ..
            Quote: severyanin
            "do not rush to judge, so as not to look stupid

            hi
            1. severyanin
              severyanin 11 June 2016 13: 01
              +2
              Quote: Serg65
              Eugene, if not a secret then which of the four?

              RKR "Marshal Ustinov", BCH-5. I started with him, then there was "Peter the Great", then again on "Ustinov" with a promotion, now we are trying to get him out of the factory at last ...
              Quote: Serg65
              My dear, they scribbled a tunic at me (so as not to offend you) ..... Moreover, I have an 3 BS and ass in shells, but I don’t get smart about the hole and what floats in it! Especially in the Navy, no one canceled the terms subfloor, crew. Good luck, Eugene And ..

              "My dear" - so communicate with your "girlfriends". What a coincidence, I also have three base stations in the crew of "Peter", one of which was 7 months - to ensure the export of chemical. weapons from Syria in 2013-2014, escort of the "Syrian express" ... Oh, yes, and my jacket is tailored to order, like this wretched "office" uniform negative
  8. arnulla
    arnulla 10 June 2016 21: 37
    +5
    Without the construction of a new generation of destroyers, there is no way at all. How much can you pull with the project? !! no money? Shake a couple of oligarchs or declare a national gathering for the construction. Well, at least something already needs to be started !!
  9. Valevampo
    Valevampo 10 June 2016 21: 38
    +7
    Unfortunately, things are even worse at the Pacific Fleet, and these are our 2 main fleets
    1. severyanin
      severyanin 11 June 2016 01: 46
      0
      Quote: Valevampo
      Unfortunately, things are even worse at the Pacific Fleet, and these are our 2 main fleets

      Still, the situation at gas turbine ships is a bit better at the Pacific Fleet, almost everyone goes! Too lazy to search for yourself, google if there is a desire
  10. hunt1
    hunt1 10 June 2016 21: 39
    +3
    Well, soon 22350 SF will receive and so yes hope and all the load on the divers so far.
    1. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 10 June 2016 21: 54
      +1
      So he seems to be going to the Black Sea Fleet too.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 June 2016 21: 54
      +1
      This entire load on submariners will continue for another 15 years - warships are building very slowly.
  11. fa2998
    fa2998 10 June 2016 21: 43
    +3
    Why? We built a bunch of tugboats, corvettes, missile boats, all kinds of auxiliary vessels — rescue, research, minesweepers — we need to form squadrons — and forward. But seriously, these vessels are needed, but only to provide SHIP 1 RANK. Maybe it needs to be QUANTITALLY LESS to build, but to QUALITY to build ships of the ocean zone. Almost all large warships are the legacy of the USSR. You can thank the Soviet shipbuilders, they still go, there is the possibility of modernization. But they are not eternal, you can’t go by boat far. yes hi
  12. Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 10 June 2016 21: 47
    +2
    And this poet would go from LJ to hell. All this is known even without him, without his shitty moaning, everything just has its time, and now partners from NATO are in their pants. There will be a day, there will be a song. There are already new apls on the SF and TF, new frigates on the Black Sea Fleet, trouble will start, everything will be OK, and let the shit smear the feces on the drooping ass.
    1. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 10 June 2016 22: 29
      -4
      that's right !!! x - e - eer - th article !!
    2. severyanin
      severyanin 11 June 2016 01: 51
      +4
      Quote: Panikovsky
      And this poet would go from LJ to hell. All this is known even without him, without his shitty moaning, everything just has its time, and now partners from NATO are in their pants. There will be a day, there will be a song. There are already new apls on the SF and TF, new frigates on the Black Sea Fleet, trouble will start, everything will be OK, and let the shit smear the feces on the drooping ass.

      Did you read the article yourself before throwing shit on a fan? What does the new nuclear submarine have to do with it, not about them, but about the fact that with surface ships a complete ass, and the author is absolutely right in this !!!
      Or just give urki-articles to you?
  13. Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 June 2016 21: 50
    -5
    I wonder where the General Staff and the Moscow Region are looking, and there is still a commander in chief. The defense of the country is their diocese. I look with such a situation, it’s just right from the management that money should be pulled out, and not pay salaries to them.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 11 June 2016 07: 14
      +1
      Got it, here we have our own commanders. But you see, what’s the matter, I absolutely do not give a damn about your minuses. If a person does not agree with something, he enters into a discussion, and you are simply smug clowns, no more. fool
  14. Vadim237
    Vadim237 10 June 2016 21: 53
    +2
    In the Baltic, we no longer have a fleet, but a flotilla.
    1. masiya
      masiya 10 June 2016 22: 22
      -8
      What a negative, guys so about their country and the Navy ... it's a shame ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 10 June 2016 22: 41
        +2
        Look at the payroll of the Baltic Fleet and you will understand everything yourself.
      2. arane
        arane 10 June 2016 23: 30
        +7
        Are you offended? And it offends us that this is so
        It's a shame that funds for repairs are allocated and contracts are concluded, and ships do not come out of repairs .....
        It's a shame when the employees of the relevant bodies that unearthed the theft schemes are sent to the darkness to serve, and the case is jammed

        And the most offensive is that everything on the surface ....... and silence,
        The navy has nothing to do with this
        Here mass shootings are needed ...
        1. eugene
          eugene 11 June 2016 00: 13
          0
          Yes, "funds" are good (which are allocated). But where is CONTROL and ACCOUNTING! Where are the northern camps crammed with "effective managers" to the eyeballs, for the plundered "funds"? Where are the show trials with remorse and witnesses? Where are the "fixations" of everything and all relatives?
          Where are the examples? Where's the justice???
          1. arane
            arane 11 June 2016 00: 25
            0
            Quote: eugene
            Yes, "funds" are good (which are allocated). But where is CONTROL and ACCOUNTING! Where are the northern camps crammed with "effective managers" to the eyeballs, for the plundered "funds"? Where are the show trials with remorse and witnesses? Where are the "fixations" of everything and all relatives?
            Where are the examples? Where's the justice???

            So, damn it, but what am I talking about?
      3. severyanin
        severyanin 11 June 2016 01: 53
        +5
        Quote: masiya
        What a negative, guys so about their country and the Navy ... it's a shame ...

        This is not a negative, pink glasses only slightly lowered you with this article, and you try to remove them completely - you will not only be offended, you will experience the whole spectrum of unpleasant sensations ...
  15. Berkut24
    Berkut24 10 June 2016 21: 59
    +12
    Fleets have always had problems. When more, when less. In Soviet times, my father served in the north, in the Baltic and in the Pacific Fleet. He told a lot of things. SF is now between the past and the future. that they will build it is already clear, but something is already being launched. Today launched the first icebreaker of the new series for the Navy. Congratulations to all of you!
    According to the article, I have a double impression. I myself served and I can say one thing - you cannot take a separate type or type of army like this and separately consider it in isolation from the general task and defense complex.
    The Black Sea Fleet is also not a dense ship, but the lack of ships there is compensated by aviation and coastal missile systems and something else. Those. the probable adversary knows that the Russian fleet itself is weaker, but in the aggregate, anyone who snoops through will get a snot.
    With SF I think the same situation. As long as there are not enough ships, island bases are being created, the radar field is expanding, the air defense strike zone is expanding, and reconnaissance equipment is being strengthened. That is, although partially, but force compensation is being done. There is still trouble with ballistic submarines, but so far the topic of land mobile complexes is not developing badly. In other words, some average level is maintained. And the fleet - well, yes, I got one. There is no need to despair, there is still time, new ships are being created. It's not about the commander and not at the Ministry of Defense. Industry needs new experience, technology and specialists, and money. And with money, I think, everything is clear to everyone at the present time.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 June 2016 22: 03
      -4
      In Soviet times, we had a fleet - "Mama Do Not Cry" - hundreds of submarines and hundreds of warships. But in the 90s they sailed - they cut everything and sold it.
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 10 June 2016 22: 41
        +15
        Let's not idealize. I remember that fleet well, I even visited Sevastopol on the Leningrad helicopter carrier.
        The first and chronic problem was the infrastructure. They built missile cruisers, built nuclear submarines, but in many cases there was no mooring infrastructure. The officers were also not happy with housing - many lived like that on the ship. After college I was supposed to be assigned to the Pacific Fleet, and before that they were going to send me to master the equipment on the intelligence ship "Ural", which was being completed in St. Petersburg. Thank you, Lord, that the personnel officers were mistaken and I went to Kapustin Yar. Few, probably, who knows that in Vdadik in the "Ural" in the early 90s in fact there was a riot with the participation of officers. This is on a ship with a nuclear reactor! Now read the news carefully - now the restoration of the Northern Fleet began with the infrastructure. And when the Mistral was ordered, they simultaneously began to build the corresponding quay wall.
        As for other stocks, these are, first of all, "underships" with "underplanes". Which served little and there would be a minimum of use in a real battle. Add to this the "assorted" types, often one-off items, which were to serve - a sheer headache. In general, there were prohibitively many technical problems. Sometimes there was an impression that the country's leadership itself did not know what it wanted; if the development plan existed, it was violated and altered a week after its adoption. How many ships were designed, then redesigned and even started to build, then to be cut on the slipway. It was not only in the fleet, there were 59 types and modifications of tanks ...
        I note a positive point - there is planning! The defense upgrade plan is calculated by money, by enterprise, and by time. And if you do not take into account Rogozin’s clowning, then we can say that the process is still controlled. And the plan is being implemented. I think that the SF also knows what to do and what when it goes into service. It is not necessary to demand too much from what 15 years ago did not exist. A long way has been traveled.
        1. eugene
          eugene 11 June 2016 03: 43
          +3
          In aviation, they built airplanes (that's me about mine) ... and that's it ... on that. On the Su-27, even mobile diagnostic stations began to be made not self-propelled (not on a car with KUNGs), but with trailers (2-4 trailers) on small "blowers" from the wing struts of the Yak-28 chassis! It was something! Blown away in 1-2 days, there was NOTHING to carry! Where to get such a number of tractors FOR ALL GROUPS of repair and maintenance, when it was necessary to go to the central locking center to prepare equipment for flights !!! Savings ... you know ...
          The Madhouse was away! I transferred two of our trailers to a decommissioned Zil-131 with kung remaining from the old Yak-28, which were changed to Su-27! We did all the cheeki-briks! Communication, larynges, heating ... u - !!! They all envied us in the regiment. In winter, warm, in the hall, everything was in a bundle ... In the cold, it was packed to warm ourselves in our kung PolzZ.
  16. dr.star75
    dr.star75 10 June 2016 22: 03
    +5
    "How did it happen (and who is to blame for this) that most of the fleet of the Northern Fleet was out of work for a long time (in a non-operational state) is a question worthy of attention of the main command of the RF Armed Forces and the competent authorities." - the author -> the author -> the author really does not understand, or is he trying to drive out the wave? We understand everything perfectly, we have already drawn conclusions. hysteria is not necessary.
  17. masiya
    masiya 10 June 2016 22: 27
    -5
    Something like demagoguery rolls over, everyone wants something incomprehensible and strange, in general, we need to strive for peace and tranquility, after all we have a little ... 3 world on the nose ... and there is everything to us, and to them, and them. .. URA URA URA LORD WITH YOU and ALLAH AKBAR ...
  18. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 10 June 2016 22: 27
    -7
    afftor !!! Who writes??? body living in Velyuchensk il where else ?? tupit on the couch .... well, let’s write ... we have a different doctrine-strategy .. we don’t need a thousandth fleet --- 1 expeditionary from 25-30 + pl - it was in the USSR - I hope the author to capture Nitsche is not going to ?? with your own control ... stratech ..
    1. severyanin
      severyanin 11 June 2016 01: 59
      +3
      Quote: Yak-3P
      afftor !!! Who writes??? body living in Velyuchensk il where else ?? tupit on the couch .... well, let’s write ... we have a different doctrine-strategy .. we don’t need a thousandth fleet --- 1 expeditionary from 25-30 + pl - it was in the USSR - I hope the author to capture Nitsche is not going to ?? with your own control ... stratech ..

      What do you smoke?
      Firstly, it is correct to write Vilyuchinsk, and secondly, Vilyuchinsk in Kamchatka (there are Pacific Fleet - you suddenly don’t know), and the article is about the Northern Fleet (this is where Severomorsk, the Kola Peninsula) wassat
  19. hirurg
    hirurg 10 June 2016 22: 31
    +2
    He himself served on EM Rampant 2005-2006, quit, I do not like a mess.
    My box at the pier stood like the cruiser Aurora, only in Severomorsk.
    And all because in 90 many things were stolen. And you need to restore a lot of time and money.
    But BOD, cruisers went and quite often.
    I don’t think they go less often now. Therefore, I don’t trust the author of the article that I know the kitchen from the inside. And the table is probably right from the headquarters of the Federation Council?
    1. severyanin
      severyanin 11 June 2016 02: 04
      +3
      Quote: hirurg
      He himself served on EM Rampant 2005-2006, quit, I do not like a mess.
      My box at the pier stood like the cruiser Aurora, only in Severomorsk.
      And all because in 90 many things were stolen. And you need to restore a lot of time and money.
      But BOD, cruisers went and quite often.
      I don’t think they go less often now. Therefore, I don’t trust the author of the article that I know the kitchen from the inside. And the table is probably right from the headquarters of the Federation Council?

      You shouldn't have been like that, for 10 years a lot of water has flowed under the bridge, but the number of combat-ready surface ships in the Northern Fleet has increased by as much as ONE unit (BOD "Kulakov" after 20 years of repair in St. Petersburg), there is no need to talk about new ones at all ... misunderstanding, loudly referred to as the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" project 22350 he is far from combat-ready, and he is alone ... hi
  20. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 10 June 2016 22: 32
    +9
    Before the 2023 of the year (according to the most optimistic forecasts), we cannot build new 1 ships of rank. There is only one way out: to upgrade the little that is still on the move. Now our step is 2 rank ships, frigates. Then there will be destroyers ... maybe even missile cruisers with aircraft carriers, God willing, get there.
    In the meantime, we have that little that remains of the mighty Soviet fleet. And this little need to be very well cared for ships to go to sea.
  21. starhina01
    starhina01 10 June 2016 22: 53
    -4
    something seemed to me an article with some kind of darling, what
    the author did not indicate any specifics, only a table request
    the cartoon recalled: "alesha popovich and tugarin snake"
    if you want to specifically offer, so say it!
    and if you scratch your tongue like that with a barrel,
    don't fool people’s heads.
    hi
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 10 June 2016 23: 20
      +2
      Quote: starhina01
      if you want to specifically offer, so say

      It is necessary to paint the table in green. negative
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  22. eugene
    eugene 10 June 2016 23: 00
    +3
    Our fleet today is in the most terrifying state. This, it seems, can be understood. The most expensive, costly weapon is, of course, ships and the Navy’s general command. no money, no trained shipbuilders, no universities, no shipyards ...
    And, most importantly, there is no SYSTEM, WILL and DESIRE among those in power. The Navy is a very serious organization, logistics, planning for the DECADES ahead! And, they don’t have time to plug holes, and even more so they don’t know how to look forward.
  23. red_october
    red_october 10 June 2016 23: 49
    -1
    By the end of this year, lead frigate 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" will be in service.
    1. severyanin
      severyanin 11 June 2016 02: 06
      0
      Quote: red_october
      By the end of this year, lead frigate 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" will be in service.

      I laugh out loud, but in general I want to cry and call Stalin and Kuznetsov to deal with these "storytellers"
  24. eugene
    eugene 11 June 2016 00: 28
    +2
    And, the main thing is not to ask anyone! After all, their own. And who are not their own, those gn. Serdyukov has outlived.
  25. Antiprogressor
    Antiprogressor 11 June 2016 04: 28
    0
    The noise is great. Maybe right. However, they were getting ready for the Second World War, getting ready, but it turned out that the fleet mainly had aviation, landing forces, submarines, air defense and miners working, and trirpits, bismarcks, Yamato used up so many resources, and what's the point? Yes, and Missouri all sorts for signing treaties and for shooting militants ...
    Therefore, the future world war will also sweep away all the monsters. In the ocean now you can’t walk around. It’s more profitable to protect the shores, as well as reliable backup intelligence, absolutely reliable communications. A lot of projects were developed for ships, but with a construction site like the aircraft industry: they put all the steps on each other (however, we have both the rocket launchers and the y) And it is completely unclear which way it will fly from. The French won the Maginot line away ... In general, I do not think that the heads of the admirals are busy compiling victorious reports. Money, as always, is not enough at all ...
  26. Vasiliev Yu
    Vasiliev Yu 11 June 2016 07: 41
    -2
    I don’t know what to say about this article and therefore I don’t argue with anyone (except for Kursk).
    The only thing that hurts the eye (especially the left one) is the phrase: "As far as we know, the last time" Ushakov "was on a long march."
    As already got these pseudo-signs: `` extreme '' and similar nonsense. Some invented, while others repeat.
    I myself served in the Premier League, at close range I can’t remember anyone’s any “good” or “bad” take on this score.
  27. 31rus2
    31rus2 11 June 2016 07: 48
    +1
    Dear, there’s no conspiracy, this mess everywhere and everywhere, in the army and in civilian life, the system is not capable of work, wait, appoint at least someone, the result will be the same, only the reform of the state system can change the situation in the country, only who will conduct
  28. acetophenon
    acetophenon 11 June 2016 08: 04
    -1
    if you want to ruin a small country - give her a cruiser ... what
  29. Zomanus
    Zomanus 11 June 2016 08: 54
    +1
    This is for the Pacific Fleet did not provide statistics. Everything is very sad there.
    For several years now, I have been watching a submarine under repair at the Dalzavod dock.
    It seems that this is a purely museum exhibit.
    Figley, power for repair-construction was destroyed in due time.
    And now you can’t get it back, because it is a chain from a school desk to a culman / machine tool.
  30. Wayna qhapaq
    Wayna qhapaq 11 June 2016 11: 07
    -2
    The navy is expensive. And we are more of a continental power. It makes sense to invest in hypersound, improve accuracy and take aim at the AUG "partners". An asymmetric answer, so to speak.
  31. MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 11 June 2016 11: 43
    -1
    Guys, this article is very necessary as a desa. Maybe the truth is as bad as the author writes, but maybe the other way around. Here the Yankees will read the article and break into our North, Russia to capture ... And there they will be greeted with all the love by the Red Banner Northern Fleet! And it's time to remember that the SF is strong with its underwater power. NK so for the overall development.
  32. dmitriyruss
    dmitriyruss 11 June 2016 12: 15
    -2
    We need to publish less such articles, it certainly does not have much sensitive data, but why make it easier for the enemy to analyze fleet readiness?
  33. zak167
    zak167 11 June 2016 13: 35
    -2
    Please note that it is not indicated who the author of the article is. After all, this hack knew in advance that a wave of criticism would fall on this nonsense, and everything that he wrote is not worth a dime. And we need to be prepared for the fact that such "Specialists "will constantly publish their nonsense.
  34. cedar
    cedar 11 June 2016 14: 36
    +1
    The article is yet another statement of facts, but where are the conclusions worthy of considerable experience and obtained in the hard, often dangerous way of knowledge? Where is the sharp eye and accurate sight? I see criticism, but where is self-criticism in the end? Neither the author nor the commentators descend to her darling. The Constitution of the Russian Federation VOTING BY VOTE, and the Anglo-Americans slipped it to us, but did we get led out?
    And they slipped it because we had nowhere to go, the USSR lost the Cold War! They didn’t bomb us, they didn’t press us with tanks, what kind of war? The amers themselves sold ships for scrap, so that the remaining crews had something to put on their teeth. Factories themselves were closed, vouchers were covered for indemnity. And what, are we also out of business?
    No matter how you do it? Indeed, in that constitution, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation describes the full independence of the RF government from the government of the Russian Federation, which means that the complete dependence of "our" printing press on their Fed, the third is not given. And we have nothing to do with it again, but take out and put money on toilet paper and on the surface fleet, right?
    There is an article there that secures external management, i.e. OCCAPATION and COLONIAL ECONOMY in which it is supposed from three aborigines to tear skins, and not to build fleets and planes for them. Where, what, what occupation?
    There is an article that prohibits us from ideology, i.e. left the port to the sea, and where we are going neither in ideas, nor in thoughts, nor in the commander, nor in the team, there is anything intelligible, and according to the constitution of the Anglo-Saxons it should not be. “People, where are you going? Yes ... three funny letters! In, so we go there! ”
    Tomorrow will be another attempt to celebrate the day of the separation of the Russian Federation from the USSR, i.e. from big RUSSIA. For the freedom and inviolability of borders, with which our peoples laid 27 million lives in the Great Patriotic War! Now what is war?
    Yes! War without declaration of war. We are now pushed together by our foreheads, so that we would put many times more, but then what would there be no traces of Russia's borders together with its fleets. "Bleed, divide and rule" - this is the slogan of the British Empire. Dear, do not get fooled, do not tear, once again a vest on the chest. Look at the root.
  35. BastaKarapuzik And
    BastaKarapuzik And 11 June 2016 23: 54
    +1
    The table is not so pessimistic at all, in fact, the presentation of the material in the article is misleading.
    As evidenced by the comments. If the crisis was, then it is largely overcome. Light green hatching this means, presumably combat-ready.

    I am for the construction of new ships, these are jobs for manufacturers and work for design bureaus. Together, this is a good incentive in development. But PCM is an average repair and modernizationThat, too, is ultimately not bad.

    So it’s not clear what the whole fuss is about.

    Threat At the request of the Russian side, the Mistral project was changed almost to the ice class.
    Here you have the missing green squares in the table.