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"Growth Party" has proposed to cancel the military call in Russia

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Russia is ready to cancel the call for the service of conscripts and form a fully professional army, Ридус opinion of the leader of the “Party of Growth”, the Federal Commissioner for Business Boris Titov.




The website of the Russian Public Initiative (ROI) launched a vote on amendments to the Law on Military Service, according to which “military service is carried out voluntarily (under contract).” At the same time, it is proposed to remove the article “Evasion from military service” from the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

“It’s quite realistic to make appropriate amendments to the legislation in the near future and to make 2016’s spring appeal the last,” Titov said. - The last step remained for the transition to a fully professional army. We have already passed the adaptation period, we know how the contract army works, all the technical part is there, it remains only to make a decision and refuse the call. ”

According to him, “there are enough people in the country today who professionally perform their military duty, and they are involved in real serious special operations, and recruits-draftees are digging trenches around their unit and are generally more used for housework than for their intended purpose” .

“The army, the military officers do not need them, but they are needed by the generals as a cheap labor force to fulfill everyday economic needs,” said Titov.

“For a year of urgent appeal, it is impossible to make a professional soldier from yesterday’s schoolboy. And even if in some cases it succeeds, the real term of its effective operation (less training time) will not exceed 2 − 3 months. And then the person will return to the citizen, where the acquired skills dissolve as useless. A contract soldier who came to military service voluntarily and for a long time will fulfill his functions for at least several years ", - Agency leads the argument of supporters of a professional army.
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  1. Altona
    Altona 9 June 2016 17: 00
    +28
    Rave! It can not be so!
    1. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 9 June 2016 17: 03
      +49
      Altona (2) RU Today, 17:00 New
      Rave! It can not be so!

      It cannot and should NOT be! The institute of compulsory conscription has grown into our army and is bearing fruit. Again ravings of commerce ...
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 9 June 2016 17: 13
        +16
        I wonder what else will be invented by the party before the election? what
      2. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 9 June 2016 18: 35
        +16
        It would be more correct to abolish this "growth batch". I didn't have time to grow up yet, but already crap.
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        2. RUSS
          RUSS 9 June 2016 18: 40
          -1
          Quote: Stock Officer
          It would be more correct to abolish this "growth batch". I didn't have time to grow up yet, but already crap.

          Let’s say the party was closed and, what then will we live ?, will it become easier ?? What kind of nonsense is it to close everything, kick it out, put it down, for what? What law did they break? Just think Titov proposed a call to cancel, so what? First time or what? What kind of panic?
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 9 June 2016 22: 26
            0
            The funny thing is that the Titov is now corephan by everyone's beloved Glazyev. At a council on economics, they kind of even acted together. And then there are such speeches. Zrada, however. crying
        3. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 10 June 2016 04: 49
          -1
          Quote: Stock Officer
          It would be more correct to abolish this "growth batch". I didn't have time to grow up yet, but already crap.

          Small bug, but smelly.
    2. Corporal Valera
      Corporal Valera 9 June 2016 17: 06
      +37
      For some reason, civilian "specialists" who have turned away from the army always know better what the army should be
      1. 2s1122
        2s1122 9 June 2016 17: 14
        +6
        It is visible to them bucks lyashki once press such. ... carry!
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 9 June 2016 17: 16
        +41
        "It is impossible to make a professional soldier out of a yesterday's student in a year of urgent draft. And even if it succeeds in some cases, the real term of its effective operation (excluding training time) will not exceed 2-3 months."

        The train of thought is correct, the conclusions are wrong. So it is necessary to increase the service life to at least 1,5 years, or even to two. yes
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 9 June 2016 17: 23
          +14
          Quote: Vladimirets
          The train of thought is correct, the conclusions are wrong. So it is necessary to increase the service life to at least 1,5 years, or even to two.


          The army doesn’t give a mind ... but dope kicks out - people's army wisdom ... laughing

          Zheka is healthy drinks
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 9 June 2016 17: 25
            +2
            Quote: vorobey
            The army doesn’t give a mind ... but dope kicks out - people's army wisdom ...

            Yeah, who served in the army is the most important in the circus. yes Hi Sanya. drinks
          2. Homo
            Homo 9 June 2016 17: 41
            .
            Quote: vorobey
            The army does not give a mind ... but dope kicks out

            Is that you about yourself?
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 9 June 2016 17: 42
              +9
              Quote: Homo
              Quote: vorobey
              The army does not give a mind ... but dope kicks out

              Is that you about yourself?


              and about myself too .... have someone to compare .. laughing
              1. Homo
                Homo 10 June 2016 19: 37
                0
                Quote: vorobey
                and about myself too .... have someone to compare ..

                And I received a lot of useful things for myself during the service (not material). But he didn’t have a dope before the army.soldier
            2. Homo
              Homo 10 June 2016 19: 41
              0
              The people, but the minus for what? Quite an adequate and innocent question. The army has given me a lot of things to me, to most of my classmates and friends.
        2. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 9 June 2016 17: 26
          +12
          Quote: Vladimirets
          So it is necessary to increase the service life to at least 1,5 years, or even to two.
          There is another proposal - since the "Party of Rosta" is categorically against the general conscription and for contract service and, given that this political organization is a party of entrepreneurs (and not pensioners), then let every commerce undertake the maintenance of at least one contract soldier. This will be really state-of-the-art! laughing
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 9 June 2016 19: 15
            +1
            Ami du peuple (5) RU Today, 17: 26 ↑
            given that this political organization is a party of entrepreneurs (and not retirees in any way), then let each commerce take upon itself the maintenance of at least one contractor

            I will disappoint you, many of these "commerce companies" contain not one, but several "contract soldiers" - they are called "bodyguards". ( bully - this is their "typical portrait")
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        4. RUSS
          RUSS 9 June 2016 17: 37
          -7
          Quote: Vladimirets
          The train of thought is correct, the conclusions are wrong. So it is necessary to increase the service life to at least 1,5 years, or even to two.

          Now a year is enough, since in the same airborne forces, Strategic Rocket Forces, etc., only contract soldiers serve.
          The number of contracted military personnel in the Russian army (2015) for the first time exceeded the number of conscripts. Such a statement was made by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu during a visit to one of the contractual selection points in St. Petersburg.
        5. Rader
          Rader 9 June 2016 17: 41
          +14
          Quote: Vladimirets
          "It is impossible to make a professional soldier out of a yesterday's student in a year of urgent draft. And even if it succeeds in some cases, the real term of its effective operation (excluding training time) will not exceed 2-3 months."

          The train of thought is correct, the conclusions are wrong. So it is necessary to increase the service life to at least 1,5 years, or even to two. yes

          Until TWO years! Well then, exactly, they will mow everything wink ! It is enough to allot all the time for study, training and other exercises ... And in general, it is ridiculous to talk about some kind of "service life", no one will shove conscripts into Syria, Transnistria and other "hot spots" (First of all, not because "sorry for the soldiers", but because "ineffective"! And rightly so)
          But conscription service is necessary for the formation of a mobile reserve, without which a reflection of aggression in a big war is impossible!
          P.S. The pre-election time is a time of miracles and triple the number of pearls laughing
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 9 June 2016 18: 21
            +13
            Quote: Rader
            Until TWO years! Well then, surely everyone will mow!

            Will not! It is only necessary to combine the medical commission in the military enlistment office with the commission for driving a vehicle. If sick for the army, then sick and drive a car.
          2. GriggoT
            GriggoT 9 June 2016 22: 24
            +1
            And why does Titov care? Conceived something, with a distant sight, not otherwise
        6. igorka357
          igorka357 9 June 2016 17: 56
          +1
          Two very times, with a good command, they made real wars from the guys, I personally saw it!
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 9 June 2016 18: 27
            +1
            Quote: igorka357
            with putny command

            What is the semantics of the word "putnem"? laughing
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 9 June 2016 23: 15
              +3
              Quote: RUSS
              What is the semantics of the word "putnem"?
              Apparently, akin to the semantics of the word "war" laughing
        7. Prisoner
          Prisoner 9 June 2016 18: 38
          +4
          For half a year did. And the perfume took the exam. They send these growths !!!
        8. moskowit
          moskowit 9 June 2016 20: 55
          +6
          Absolutely correct. The call gives a trained reserve (these are common truths). And with the current deployment of motorized rifle and tank divisions from "castrated" brigades, it is simply necessary (with what legal status, the tenth thing ...).
          And those "figures" who call for a highly professional, mobile and small army are simply populists and demagogues who "pour water" on the mill of our potential opponents. And they were, are and will always be. And they are only held back by the highly professional Russian army on the basis of universal military service!
        9. proletarian
          proletarian 9 June 2016 21: 46
          +2
          Dear, I didn't put a "minus", but with all this I personally disagree with you, one year of conscription service is sufficient for learning basic skills and for a person to be able to decide whether he wants to devote himself to service in the ARMY or not. that the conscript is obliged to comprehend the art of war, and not to engage in "household work".
    3. vorobey
      vorobey 9 June 2016 17: 21
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      Rave! It can not be so!


      But I generally suggest hiring Americans ... laughing Huge budget, purely professional ... let them defend us ... laughing and Th .. over the Balts they protect, Europeans are protected .. Daesh protect ... and just for 2% of GDP belay

      I’ll develop the thought further ... we’ll place several of their bases with us ... and we will secretly get them .. when they either touch our girls or climb up flower beds ... we didn’t tolerate the Baltic or Japanese ... and everyone okay ... and the Americans are at work and we will scratch our fists ... everything is legal
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 9 June 2016 18: 46
        +5
        Quote: vorobey
        we’ll quietly p .. when they either touch our girls will climb,

        Sasha, and if they’re not girls and guys, they’ll get the guys? Oh and ah - World War III.
    4. Dam
      Dam 9 June 2016 18: 15
      +2
      Pure populism. The problem of a professional army in the absence of a reserve mode. Prof. Army-Peace Peace Army
    5. RUSS
      RUSS 9 June 2016 18: 25
      -5
      Quote: Altona
      Rave! It can not be so!

      Do not boil, everything will be fine !!! laughing
    6. EvgNik
      EvgNik 9 June 2016 18: 36
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      Rave! It can not be so!

      Unfortunately, as we see, such disgusting thing has a place to be. I don’t know such a party, and I don’t want to know. Every normal guy has to go through the army. And a year is not enough.
      At least 2 years.
    7. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 9 June 2016 18: 40
      +2
      "Growth Party" has proposed to cancel the military call in Russia

      This fellow, "the party of growth" is ready to finance the maintenance of the army with its party purse ?!
      Or do their adherents have the necessary age and knowledge to sign a military contract and perform military duties ?!
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 9 June 2016 19: 13
        +2
        Oh, the "special officer" from this party has already begun to minus our statements!
        But he is not an ardent opponent of the Kerch bridge ?!
        There minus also "fluttered" like white flies in the fall ...
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 9 June 2016 19: 22
          0
          Check out the recent party vote for the party. There are about 6 dozens of them. So that is not surprising.
    8. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 10 June 2016 04: 42
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      Rave! It can not be so!

      But the “Russian Public Initiative” (ROI) launched a vote.
      You won’t make a soldier out of yesterday’s conscript schoolboy. Good. And from yesterday’s schoolboy, today you’ll make a contractor a soldier in a year? Do it.
      So can recruits teach differently?
      After school, a guy got into a drive, didn’t settle in anywhere, I’ll go to the army. What does he know about her? Signed a contract and ... Oh, I was wrong, I don't want anymore. Down with the contract, fines, forfeits .. And where is the defender?
      We do not need such parties, the Growth Party, and such leaders, Boris Titov.
  2. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 9 June 2016 17: 00
    -1
    The question is extremely debatable .... this cannot be resolved with the condachka, it is necessary to conduct a lot of research and surveys both among draftees and active military personnel.
    I read that in France they are trying to train new recruits in the places of the former battles of the Second World War, and when they begin to whine, that they say they are tired, etc. they are told - yours, they say, great-grandfathers in this very place destroyed the Nazis, and you dissolve the snot.

    “Armies, combat officers do not need them, but the generals need them as cheap labor to fulfill their everyday economic needs,” and for such lies you can get a subpoena.
    1. sever.56
      sever.56 9 June 2016 17: 10
      +10
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      debatable ....


      Maybe you wanted to say - "debatable"?
      Although, in my opinion, it is possible to discuss here only on the topic - how many hundredths of a percent the sharashka, called "Party of Growth" will gain in the September elections, and on the topic - how soon they will be beaten (and possibly kicked) when such a proposal is announced publicly , somewhere at a meeting with voters!
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 9 June 2016 17: 29
        0
        Well, why not? Offer, for example, a recruit a salary of 15-20t.r. in months, with the conclusion of a contract for a year. A year to teach him, and then to choose to offer to continue the contract with an increase in rank, cash allowance, etc., m. with the opportunity in the future to enter a military university. I think many guys would agree with a bang than mow down from the army. The number of recruits would certainly increase. Another question is where to get the money for it?
        In my opinion, the idea is interesting, but at the moment it is from the category of utopia.
        1. Homo
          Homo 9 June 2016 17: 44
          +5
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Offer, for example, a recruit a salary of 15-20t.r. in months

          And doesn’t crack the rookie?
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          2. RUSS
            RUSS 9 June 2016 17: 49
            -5
            Quote: Homo
            And doesn’t crack the rookie?

            Mug? Are you talking about conscripts? It will crack from anger and greed.
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 9 June 2016 18: 01
              +14
              Quote: RUSS
              Mug? Are you talking about conscripts? It will crack from anger and greed.

              I served urgently, so I can speak for myself: I would have cracked. yes
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              2. RUSS
                RUSS 9 June 2016 18: 04
                -8
                Quote: Vladimirets
                Quote: RUSS
                Mug? Are you talking about conscripts? It will crack from anger and greed.

                I served urgently, so I can speak for myself: I would have cracked. yes

                And you give them to whom it is more necessary for you and will not crack.
                1. Vladimirets
                  Vladimirets 9 June 2016 18: 11
                  +9
                  Quote: RUSS
                  And you give them to whom it is more necessary for you and will not crack.

                  If the conscript is paid 20 thousand, and last year 300 thousand people were called up, it turns out that the state needs to find an additional about 6 billion a month, 72 billion a year. The army has nothing to spend on it anymore?
                  1. KyrisAlive
                    KyrisAlive 9 June 2016 20: 12
                    -7
                    Those. to pay a person a couple of minimum wages for preparing to defend the homeland, is that a lot and is it better to spend them on something else? "Pay back your debt to your homeland, and you can somehow hold out for 500 rubles a month, or your parents will help you from home."
                    1. Vladimirets
                      Vladimirets 9 June 2016 20: 34
                      +5
                      Quote: KyrisAlive
                      and somehow stretch at 500r per month

                      Somehow? belay Soldiers are fed, watered, dressed, washed, given housing and a boring lesson. What else do you need money for? request No, well, if you plump in bump, then twenty is not enough. yes
                      Quote: KyrisAlive
                      better to spend them on something else?

                      So.
                      1. KyrisAlive
                        KyrisAlive 10 June 2016 12: 06
                        0
                        Well, yes, according to the logic of things, we are doing the right thing. The minimum wage is less than 10 thousand rubles, because they are enough to: eat, drink, get dressed, wash, and have no boring occupation (work), and even where to live ... if you get any of your relatives laughing
            2. EvgNik
              EvgNik 9 June 2016 19: 00
              +3
              Quote: RUSS
              Mug? Are you talking about conscripts? It will crack from anger and greed.

              And here is greed? A soldier should receive a minimum of money (at least at the beginning of the service), then you can increase it.
          3. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 9 June 2016 18: 03
            -7
            Quote: Homo
            And doesn’t crack the rookie?

            I know, Gennady, that you are a career officer, therefore I did not expect another answer from you laughing... Why lisp with recruits? Kick him under the s.aku to run more fun! "I will teach you to love your homeland!" I work in a military medical institution, I know your military topics. hi
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            2. RUSS
              RUSS 9 June 2016 18: 06
              .
              Quote: Dr. Bormental
              I know, Gennady, that you are a career officer,

              And as you can see conscripts for people do not consider, but the most probably the salary is not 20 tons of rubles?
              1. Dr. Bormental
                Dr. Bormental 9 June 2016 18: 19
                +2
                The active military is generally a kind of people. I work with them, although I am a civilian myself, but it took a long time to get used to it. For example, to enter the office, you need to say "allow" or "ask permission", if you ask "can I enter? -Say-" can Manka at the fence ", if you want to tell something, you must say" let me report. "Hands in front of you and you can't keep behind you - "stink" - it is necessary along the body, ie at the seams. Instead of a statement - a report, if you did any paperwork - "worked out the document." And this is just the tip of the iceberg. that when they take off their uniforms, they turn into normal human people, you can even talk to them laughing
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                2. RUSS
                  RUSS 9 June 2016 18: 29
                  -5
                  Quote: Dr. Bormental
                  The active military is generally a kind of people. I work with them, although I am a civilian myself, but it took a long time to get used to it. For example, to enter the office, you need to say "allow" or "ask permission", if you ask "can I enter? -Say-" can Manka at the fence ", if you want to tell something, you must say" let me report. "Hands in front of you and you can't keep behind you - "stink" - it is necessary along the body, ie at the seams. Instead of a statement - a report, if you did any paperwork - "worked out the document." And this is just the tip of the iceberg. that when they take off their uniforms, they turn into normal human people, you can even talk to them laughing

                  Set-off definition! good
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          5. EvgNik
            EvgNik 9 June 2016 18: 56
            +3
            Quote: Homo
            And doesn’t crack the rookie?

            Gennady, have you noticed that Dr. drifts from time to time? Therefore, I do not advise discussing with him. Plant bruises for yourself.
            1. Dr. Bormental
              Dr. Bormental 9 June 2016 20: 02
              -1
              And what does that bring me to? I didn’t say anything offensive ... only the truthsad
              1. Homo
                Homo 10 June 2016 19: 35
                0
                Quote: Dr. Bormental
                I didn’t say anything offensive ... only the truth

                Your truth.
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            3. Homo
              Homo 10 June 2016 19: 35
              0
              Quote: EvgNik
              Gennady, have you noticed that Dr. drifts from time to time? Therefore, I do not advise discussing with him. Plant bruises for yourself.

              So I am silent.
        2. Alf
          Alf 9 June 2016 22: 32
          +1
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Another question is where to get the money?

          In 2015, 150 BILLION DOLLARS were exported from Russia.
        3. Alf
          Alf 9 June 2016 22: 34
          +1
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Offer, for example, a recruit a salary of 15-20t.r. in month

          And why is the recruiter-draftee such an amount? He is already on full welfare.
        4. Essex62
          Essex62 10 June 2016 12: 35
          -1
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Well, why not? Offer, for example, a recruit a salary of 15-20t.r. in months, with the conclusion of a contract for a year. A year to teach him, and then to choose to offer to continue the contract with an increase in rank, cash allowance, etc., m. with the opportunity in the future to enter a military university. I think many guys would agree with a bang than mow down from the army. The number of recruits would certainly increase. Another question is where to get the money for it?
          In my opinion, the idea is interesting, but at the moment it is from the category of utopia.

          Where to get it? And the aligarchs and dispossessed burglars are bureaucrats. (Not to be confused with an official, people are necessary for the country and society if they work honestly and productively)
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    2. V.ic
      V.ic 9 June 2016 17: 59
      0
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      The question is extremely debatable.

      Mb debatable?
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 9 June 2016 18: 08
        -1
        Quote: V.ic
        Mb debatable?

        Debatable-discussion-debatable-controversial. These are synonyms.

        Below is a link to the dictionary of synonyms of the Russian language.

        https://yandex.ru/search/?lr=2&msid=1465484629.25089.22874.8800&text=%D0%B4%D0%B
        8%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%
        D1%8C%20%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BE
        You are not the first to try to correct me hi
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 10 June 2016 06: 07
          0
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Quote: V.ic
          Mb debatable?

          Debatable-discussion-debatable-controversial. These are synonyms.

          Below is a link to the dictionary of synonyms of the Russian language.

          https://yandex.ru/search/?lr=2&msid=1465484629.25089.22874.8800&text=%D0%B4%D0%B

          8%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%

          D1%8C%20%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BE
          You are not the first to try to correct me hi

          Friend Arkady, do not speak beautifully.
    3. Alf
      Alf 9 June 2016 22: 31
      +2
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      I read that in France they are trying to train new recruits in the places of the former battles of the Second World War, and when they start to whine, that they say they are tired, etc. they are told - yours, they say, great-grandfathers in this very place of the Nazis destroyed

      Fascists destroyed? In France ? Oh, don't make me funny. Rather, we must say, In this very place, your great-grandfathers were fleeing from the Nazis.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 10 June 2016 15: 30
        -2
        Quote: Alf
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        I read that in France they are trying to train new recruits in the places of the former battles of the Second World War, and when they start to whine, that they say they are tired, etc. they are told - yours, they say, great-grandfathers in this very place of the Nazis destroyed

        Fascists destroyed? In France ? Oh, don't make me funny. Rather, we must say, In this very place, your great-grandfathers were fleeing from the Nazis.

        Well, it’s unlikely that they were from the Nazis. I didn’t send my brave men to France. In Africa, the British shaved, they shaved off near Russia in Stalingrad. But they weren’t near Paris, the National Socialists led the Wehrmacht themselves.
        1. Alf
          Alf 10 June 2016 22: 14
          0
          And for me it’s that the Nazis, that the National Socialists, that the SS men are one hell-enemy who must be destroyed.
  3. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 9 June 2016 17: 01
    +10
    Will the growth party itself pay contractors?
    1. poquello
      poquello 9 June 2016 17: 03
      +3
      Quote: Arctidian
      Will the growth party itself pay contractors?

      will be, before the election
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 9 June 2016 19: 08
      +1
      Quote: Arctidian
      Will the growth party itself pay contractors?

      Now, this is a specific question, and there must be a specific answer to it.
  4. poquello
    poquello 9 June 2016 17: 01
    -1
    The website of the Russian Public Initiative (ROI) launched a vote on amendments to the Law on Military Service, according to which “military service is carried out voluntarily (under contract).” At the same time, it is proposed to remove the article “Evasion from military service” from the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

    if you remove, then the ability to dial if necessary, leave
  5. mamont5
    mamont5 9 June 2016 17: 02
    +6
    Not now - that's for sure. Here, with the current situation, on the contrary, military training should be given to as many citizens as possible, moreover, by all means.
  6. engineering
    engineering 9 June 2016 17: 03
    +10
    “The army, the military officers do not need them, but they are needed by the generals as a cheap labor force to fulfill everyday economic needs,” said Titov.

    The question is, where do professional soldiers come from, are professionals born themselves from childhood?
    1. Dr. Stein
      Dr. Stein 9 June 2016 17: 12
      +2
      After counter strike and WOT soldier
  7. Abbra
    Abbra 9 June 2016 17: 03
    +6
    ... It's just a public relations campaign on the eve of the elections ... In a year, with normal and dynamic training, a fully operational combatant can be raised from a conscript. Just THIS you need to do thoughtfully and purposefully.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 9 June 2016 17: 04
    +6
    In anticipation of the elections, they count on the votes of draftees .. just 5% barrier and pass .. From here and the proposals are ..
  9. Galleon
    Galleon 9 June 2016 17: 04
    +13
    The expectation is that young people and mothers will vote for them. Cheap stuff ...
    1. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 9 June 2016 19: 41
      +2
      "Adequate youth" and "adequate mummies" will not vote, they are driven into a dead end! What, "young people", that compassionate (thinking with their heads) mothers, are well aware that, in the current conditions: without an army, neither for the civil service, nor for the security forces, they can’t get through, but they don’t want to get into steelworkers, majors !!! winkedMaximum - a janitor to a nightclub, where a teenager used to "light up" ...! And, the number of banks is irresistibly decreasing, therefore, the number of novice effective managers is also falling ... Moreover, given the current "higher education" ... ...
  10. volot-voin
    volot-voin 9 June 2016 17: 04
    +8
    The appeal - provides training for all citizens of a male country, and the state - the opportunity, if absolutely necessary, to mobilize significant forces. This initiative is in the hands of enemies.
  11. Teberii
    Teberii 9 June 2016 17: 05
    +1
    The contract will lead our army to the same state as the US army. The contractors were not able to defeat the Vietnamese peasants. The contract is only for specialization where experience and constant combat training are needed.
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 9 June 2016 17: 35
      +3
      The question, in the sense that some contract soldiers fought in Vietnam, is very controversial. But the fact that any country always needs a mobilization reserve of citizens who have completed military service is impossible to deny.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 9 June 2016 18: 23
        +2
        There was an American film from the "Convoy" era. In our box office it was called "Disbat". I watched it in 82-83 in the cinema, fully dubbed and with our titles. What a nafig contract army !!! Don't tell my slippers !!! In adequate, if the country begins to train its fighters in advance, at least to a minimum, then the losses are reduced specifically. From history: By June 41, the main serving staff was dismissed (only junior commanders remained under arms). Instead of the dismissed, they recruited new ones to teach and teach (at the same time, in an agrarian country with a large periphery, even a mosink for young people who had not seen the Civilian was a real wunderwolf). And 9 out of 10 were killed. From the parade on Red Square, those who had passed OSOAVIAKHIM in the main went into battle. And at this time, in the rear, those who drove to the west were closely taught. Real combat training lasts six months (taking into account the combat experience of the current war, not the last one) and this is for those who know how to wind footcloths, and those who do not know how much to teach ??? Do not forget that at this time the "cannon fodder" lies down in layers and is held by the teeth!
        1. Alf
          Alf 9 June 2016 22: 39
          0
          Quote: NDR-791
          : By June of the 41st, the main serving staff was dismissed (

          Who told you such nonsense?
          In the USSR, universal military duty was introduced on September 1, 1939, i.e., it would be possible to start dismissing the reserve only from SEPTEMBER 1941, but not earlier.
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 9 June 2016 18: 05
      +3
      Oh, don’t need it, the Americans of Vietnam didn’t fail, not because the contract soldiers fought there, but because the rebellious and non-surrendering people cannot be defeated, the partisans cannot be defeated! By the way, we had the same thing in Afghanistan!
  12. NDR-791
    NDR-791 9 June 2016 17: 06
    +4
    Quote: poquello

    if you remove, then the ability to dial if necessary, leave

    The possibility of recruitment is not cannon fodder, but at least those who did not hold a mouse in their hands, but Kalash and knows where the left hand, and where the right. Finally, the Growth Party - what the hell ??? If our call is canceled, I will sign up as a Jew so that my boy can serve even there. Brain Freedom Party ... yeah ...
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 9 June 2016 18: 08
      +2
      Or maybe if they cancel it, then they’ll try to teach their own to teach, although if you have thoughts in your head for Jews to dart, then I doubt that you can teach him something .. wink , a joke of course, as I hope with you, about the Jews!
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 9 June 2016 19: 24
        0
        It's a joke, of course, if in truth he already knows a lot, but it was "dad taught", not a real SCARY sergeant. It's not scary at home, under my mother's wing, but go there and get YOUR EXPERIENCE! From here comes our - "Didn't serve - Not a man"! Office plankton at home is NOT NEEDED. In any case, I don't need a wife of the same opinion !!!
  13. Des10
    Des10 9 June 2016 17: 06
    +1
    “The army, the military officers do not need them, but they are needed by the generals as a cheap labor force to fulfill everyday economic needs,” said Titov.

    Yeah, where there are no (few) conscripts - "cheap labor for the daily economic needs" --- contract soldiers.
  14. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 9 June 2016 17: 08
    +3
    only traitors and saboteurs, who like a bone in the throat .. the growth of strength and influence of the Russian Army. can say that now.
  15. vanavatny
    vanavatny 9 June 2016 17: 08
    +3
    have reduced their service life, and now they are pleased that they do not have time to cook - is that what? And the Syrian experience teaches something? Yes, and our own? well, soon the elections will be soon: down with the blacks from Africa, the factory to the peasants, the land of the workers, the mobilization reserve is a profanation ... are they stupid people or enemies there?
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 9 June 2016 17: 41
      +3
      Enemies of the vulgaris, paid. If a fighter can be taught to wind footcloths in two weeks (I exaggerate), then in a year, with normal training, he no longer only knows his "business", but he can well for "that guy". I will give my example: We had a lot of narrowly focused specialists at the communications center of the missile division, however, six months later, in the part standing on the database, you know to such an extent that you climb "from a friend to learn", for interest !!! It got to the point that I, a diesel operator, replaced the radio mechanic until the beginning. shifts are sleeping. And they didn’t study anything “for interest” in their own clearing. The only thing that I could not figure out for 2 years - what is YABPVU? Even the company commander did not know, and the documentation is FULL !!! did not find. Thirty years have passed, and now lift it up at night, because I will switch to autonomous, maybe even meet the standard.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 9 June 2016 18: 05
        0
        Quote: NDR-791
        We had a lot of narrowly focused specialists at the communications center of the missile division, however, six months later in the part standing on the database, you know your own to such an extent that you climb "to learn from a friend", for interest !!! It got to the point that I, a diesel operator, replaced the radio mechanic until the beginning. shifts are sleeping.

        By any chance, you haven't mastered Morse code "for your interest"? wink
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 9 June 2016 18: 09
        +1
        Don’t meet it, I didn’t meet it in twenty with a hook .. hi
      3. Freeman
        Freeman 9 June 2016 18: 17
        +1
        NDR-791 (1) RU Today, 17:41 ↑
        The only thing that I could not figure out in 2 years is what is YaBPVU?
        ... thirty years have passed

        Intrigued, already on the Internet climbed
        YABPVU 100 (unified fuse-switch block box) is a switching element used in electrical circuits, if necessary, to organize infrequent on / off switchings in them (no more than 3 commutation per hour). The index “100” in the designation of this product means the value of the rated current (A) of the fuses included in the YaBPVU.

        Perhaps he was not in the diesel engine room, but in the control room, it is more convenient for radio interference to "cut the phase" if "smoke goes out" from the equipment.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 9 June 2016 18: 55
          +1
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS !!!!!! YES, that's exactly what it looks like, I still remember our common nutcase about the fact that we can't find it anywhere (we even sinned on demobels) - well, you never know, they signed it, mocked, and we look for the truth !!! Now our darling will be calm. Only we had "300". Now I will unsubscribe to mine, even to the company commander (he is true with the 99th civilian, but we communicate). Maybe the radio mechs had one, I don't remember. We stood at the entrance from the "hospital" to the switchboards (between the boards and the second diesel engine). We turned it off once a week to check the automatic transition. At the same time, I will answer those who are higher:
          1 - we didn’t have a Morse code, nevertheless, MPRD, and not a bunker - our business is to provide a signal.
          2 - I will fit in the abstract, but after all, each device has its own "character", so I will only fit "in my own", but it is not like that, in general you are right. The main thing is that? That's right - SCHOOL !!! It is her that all sorts of "committees of mothers who have not given birth" and so on want to scam.
  16. avva2012
    avva2012 9 June 2016 17: 09
    +1
    The party of growth, the party of progress, Parnassus, liberals with a very bad anamnesis. Some are financed from abroad directly, others indirectly, but all are working to undermine the country. "PR", apparently, is so divorced from the Russian reality that they do not know that there is no end to conscripts in the military registration and enlistment offices. This time. And, two, this is that for such a huge country like Russia, one "professional army" cannot defend the Motherland. Yes, and simply, any healthy guy is obliged to serve. Moreover, the whole year.
  17. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 9 June 2016 17: 10
    +1
    This party does not even gain the first% of votes, like. Well, those who want to slope will vote for it --- it will have a solid 1%.
    Oh, the call is one of the foundations of our security. What is the next proposal --- to start dissolving the Strategic Missile Forces to relieve global tensions and more conveniently integrate the Russian Federation into the world system ...? And why not --- because missiles in mines are like the call --- the bricks of which our army is built.
    P.S. And they found the time --- when there is no money besides.
    "Party of growth and" mowers "then rename, so that the electorate found you easier.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 9 June 2016 17: 20
      +1
      Quote: Stormbreaker What is the next proposal --- to start dissolving the Strategic Missile Forces to relieve global tension and more conveniently integrate the Russian Federation into the global system ...?

      It is very likely that training manuals do not change. It was like that already in the 90s. Muru-mir, "you give a professional army!" Gentlemen from the PR, but what can you do, took the money, be so kind as to fulfill the terms of the contract.
  18. Pitot
    Pitot 9 June 2016 17: 14
    0
    Here the fucking "shit-gold" youth will be delighted. It's easier to drive on helene than to go to the army. Again, the 5th column is wise ...
    1. Yak28
      Yak28 9 June 2016 17: 33
      +1
      Children of wealthy parents will not go to the aria in any way, in any scenario
  19. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 9 June 2016 17: 15
    +1
    According to him, "today there are enough people in the country who professionally fulfill their military duty ..."
    The road to the best is not always lined with good intentions! Such do not ask the question: - "If tomorrow is war?" They see themselves exclusively in the ranks of advisers, but not in the ranks of defenders.
  20. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 9 June 2016 17: 17
    0
    Election populist nonsense.
  21. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 9 June 2016 17: 19
    +4
    Military duty is a serious and important matter.
    At a minimum, initial military training must be returned to schools.
    In professional educational institutions, one also needs to train a military specialty.
    Especially technical specialists, although certain knowledge is also needed for those whose work is related to people.
    The country should always be ready for war, especially in the current difficult time.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 9 June 2016 17: 26
      +1
      Quote: olimpiada15 Military duty is a serious and important matter.
      At a minimum, initial military training must be returned to schools.
      In professional educational institutions, one also needs to train a military specialty.
      Especially technical specialists, although certain knowledge is also needed for those whose work is related to people.The country must always be ready for war

      The question for filling, "and who are they from the PR, what sex?"
      It would be better for the LGBT community to campaign, it would be more honest for them, or rather closer.
  22. 2s1122
    2s1122 9 June 2016 17: 23
    +1
    I suggest Boris Titov to be shaved into recruits for as much as 25 years, as in the times of Peter laughing
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 9 June 2016 18: 11
      0
      Quote: 2s1122
      I suggest Boris Titov to be shaved into recruits for as much as 25 years, as in the times of Peter laughing

      It’s not suitable for age.
  23. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 9 June 2016 17: 23
    +4
    a growth party would be better off suggesting something about the country's economy, for example, let's give up Kudrin.
  24. isker
    isker 9 June 2016 17: 25
    +1
    living classic illustration:
    "The party is growing, but they are beating it." (c) J. Hasek

    fifth column on the march
  25. bad
    bad 9 June 2016 17: 29
    +4
    "Growth Party" has proposed to cancel the military call in Russia
    ..archigulity! fool brainless initiative from brainless and apparently not serving individuals ...
  26. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 9 June 2016 17: 34
    +4
    Which member to get involved in defense? Huckster decided to be smart! Understand it, and where to train counterparts first? The campaign soldier at one time bought his fingers now oppressed. I myself have served not a bit sorry! After an urgent one, any contract will seem like a fairy tale, this blow is not in the know about this!
  27. Kotost
    Kotost 9 June 2016 17: 35
    +2
    The appeal is needed, first of all, not in order to create the quantity, but in order to have at least a little combat-ready reserve, even in 1 year a person acquires some skills, even knows how to hold the machine in his hands, and this is already a big advantage over the usual civil
  28. semuil
    semuil 9 June 2016 17: 35
    +7
    And who will be recruited for the contract, the jerks of which were inspired by computer shooters? Urgent service allows you to at least realize whether you are suitable for military affairs, whether it is worth growing further and whether you need the army at all. And this party, as it is there, is saboteurs. as well as ege in education.
  29. Ivan Ivanych
    Ivan Ivanych 9 June 2016 17: 36
    +1
    A hired army is an army of invaders. For money, no one will die.
    From here, the conclusion is that the "Party of Growth" are zaslanets and offer what the "partner" ordered them
    1. Homo
      Homo 9 June 2016 17: 45
      0
      Quote: Ivan Ivanovich
      A hired army is an army of invaders.

      Clean the srach out of your head!
      1. Ivan Ivanych
        Ivan Ivanych 10 June 2016 15: 02
        -1
        Out of your head
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  30. Air Force Colonel
    Air Force Colonel 9 June 2016 17: 37
    -4
    The motivation of the conscript and the contractor in case of war is completely different.
    1. Homo
      Homo 9 June 2016 17: 50
      +2
      Quote: Air Force Colonel
      The motivation of the conscript and the contractor in case of war is completely different.

      Are you fucked up? If war has come to your house, what difference does a conscript or contract soldier make! World War II, rank and file - conscripts, contract officers (in fact, they served for a salary).
      1. Parsec
        Parsec 9 June 2016 18: 05
        +3
        Non-personnel officers sent to the mobilization troops, and served there in those posts to which they were sent by the personnel body of the armed forces.

        The contract provides for some conditions for the contractors.
        Let someone say after mobilization that he does not want to serve as the commander of a small platoon, but instead wants to be the head of the rear area bathhouse, and if not, he terminates the contract.

        Contracting officers, for your salary ... Ek has crushed you with realities.

        The officer’s cash allowance used to be a salary, and never a salary.
        1. Homo
          Homo 10 June 2016 19: 31
          +1
          Quote: Parsec
          Contracting officers, for your salary ... Ek has crushed you with realities.

          The officer’s cash allowance used to be a salary, and never a salary.

          Verbiage.
      2. reservist
        reservist 9 June 2016 18: 38
        +3
        Quote: Homo
        World War II, rank-and-file draftees, contract officers (in fact, they served for a salary).

        hmm ... my grandfather was called privates in 1939. (at that time they served for three years as conscripts, a wife and two daughters remained at home), they were commissioned as a junior lieutenant in early 1944. ...
        everyone had a monetary certificate, but naturally the satisfaction of the ordinary and officer was different ...
        1. Ivan Ivanych
          Ivan Ivanych 10 June 2016 15: 08
          0
          Missile tricked
      3. Ivan Ivanych
        Ivan Ivanych 10 June 2016 15: 07
        0
        My grandfathers did not serve for wages
  31. horoh
    horoh 9 June 2016 17: 38
    +1
    Titov, you need to go to the wall !!! Mr ... selling ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 9 June 2016 18: 10
      0
      Quote: horoh
      Titov, you need to go to the wall !!! Mr ... selling ...
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  32. Million
    Million 9 June 2016 17: 39
    0
    There’s a catch
  33. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 9 June 2016 17: 41
    +4
    Are there too many parties in Russia.
    Who does not want to work., And the language as boldly, so right there in Napoleon!
    Gentlemen, do you want to tell jokes to penguins or polar bears?
    I want to remind you that since the time of the Great Revolution, we have a national tradition. All the great leaders and revolutionaries, first in penal servitude and in prison. And then to power.
    Have you completed the training course for a young politician?
  34. Chulman
    Chulman 9 June 2016 17: 41
    +2
    Serve NECESSARY !!! And at least 2 years !!! Do not breed snot !!! angry
  35. BOB044
    BOB044 9 June 2016 17: 48
    0
    Russia is ready to cancel the conscription and form a fully professional army, Reedus leads the opinion of the leader of the Growth Party, Federal Commissioner for Entrepreneurship Boris Titov.
    I agree that the vineyards and wine cellars that belong to Boris Titov will be transferred to the state. These rush ... rushing to the deputies.
  36. V.ic
    V.ic 9 June 2016 18: 01
    0
    M. b. enty "party" to abolish the constitutional obligation to defend the Motherland?
  37. qwert111
    qwert111 9 June 2016 18: 01
    -2
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    Well, why not? Offer, for example, a recruit a salary of 15-20t.r. in months, with the conclusion of a contract for a year. A year to teach him, and then to choose to offer to continue the contract with an increase in rank, cash allowance, etc., m. with the opportunity in the future to enter a military university. I think many guys would agree with a bang than mow down from the army. The number of recruits would certainly increase. Another question is where to get the money for it?
    In my opinion, the idea is interesting, but at the moment it is from the category of utopia.


    Doctor, why not offer the client to first cut a kidney, for example, for a salary of 15-20t.r with a contract for a year. A year to treat him, and then to choose to offer to continue the contract with an increase in rank, cash benefit, etc., m. with the possibility of cutting out the heart in the future and further admission to the morgue (already free). Russia has always held on to the call, and if in the future it becomes purely symbolic, it should be. They fought against the crusaders, they gathered according to the draft, they fought with the Mongols, they gathered the drafted by draft, people fought in the Great Patriotic War and drafted. No questions should arise, Motherland called, you have to go.
  38. nrex
    nrex 9 June 2016 18: 03
    +1
    This is a provocative slogan with an incomprehensible goal. One thing is clear to me that this will undermine the combat effectiveness of the reservists and destroy the primary training of personnel for the selection of contract military personnel.
  39. vetor
    vetor 9 June 2016 18: 03
    0
    Yes, to cancel in the end this non-democratic relic. A call from whom Iran has already been blocked in Poland and Romania. NATO will save the world And Russia.
    Chet name Boris Association in R.F. Moisev also calls out, Yeltsin TITOV - a preacher of values.
  40. 31rus2
    31rus2 9 June 2016 18: 03
    +2
    Dear, I completely agree, not only will the party be closed as detrimental to the country's defense capability, without any reasoning, the question of increasing the term of service has so far been excluded from the campaign of all parties.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 9 June 2016 21: 05
      -3
      Quote: 31rus2
      Dear, I completely agree, besides closing the party as detrimental to the country's defense

      Michael, we will delegate you to collect signatures for the closure of the "Party of Growth" or even better if you create a petition on the Internet to close the party. And by the way, how are parties closed, what is this process and how does it happen? And Michael?
  41. rudolff
    rudolff 9 June 2016 18: 05
    +9
    As an option, reduce the life of conscription to six months, remove all benefits and deferrals, sign a contract only after an urgent one. The call should remain at least in terms of the formation of a mobility reserve. Yes, and the husks random among contractors will be less. For the incentive, the prohibition of non-serving urgent admission to the civil service, police, work related to weapons, etc. You can’t learn much in six months, but the course of a young soldier plus a simple military specialty is easy. Next, monthly fees every 5-10 years.
    1. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 10 June 2016 15: 20
      0
      Interesting offer. According to the principle of militia formation of the army. Swiss experience must be studied))
  42. KRIG55
    KRIG55 9 June 2016 18: 23
    +1
    For such proposals, you must immediately shoot. This could offer either a complete ..... or an outright enemy.
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 9 June 2016 18: 47
      -3
      Quote: KRIG55
      For such proposals, you must immediately shoot. This could offer either a complete ..... or an outright enemy.

      What a passion !!! laughing
  43. Prisoner
    Prisoner 9 June 2016 18: 39
    +3
    I propose to cancel the batch of growth due to the fact that they are not mature.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 9 June 2016 18: 44
      0
      Quote: Captive
      I propose to cancel the batch of growth due to the fact that they are not mature.

      File a complaint with a court or the Ministry of Justice of Russia since it is there that political parties are registered. Well, when file a lawsuit or write a statement? When to wait for cancellation then?
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 9 June 2016 20: 46
        0
        How to remain non-partisan so consider that you have waited. laughing
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  44. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 9 June 2016 18: 59
    +3
    The army is one of the pivots of our community. I am a conscript from Kaliningrad, where only Lithuanians traded at the markets, I saw the Bashkirs for the first time, it was a shock for me, it was even amazing to hear the correct Russian language from them, and then nothing great guys, very all were pretty cute.
    1. Tim
      Tim 9 June 2016 23: 52
      +1
      And you thought that the Bashkirs would ride horses and don’t understand Russian (Belmes), come to Bashkiria and see how people live relatively well in comparison with other regions of the Russian Federation. By the way, Tatars and Russians live there more than the Bashkirs.
  45. vfqjh
    vfqjh 9 June 2016 19: 00
    +1
    Bullshit !!! And from where will the contractors be taken ??? How was it before? Oktyabryonok, pioneer, Komsomolets, party. From small to large, step by step. Do you think lawyers, economists and dentists are in line for contract service ??? Well, complete idiocy. Have a good mood, but NO money! (brains too).
  46. AlexTires
    AlexTires 9 June 2016 19: 03
    0
    I completely agree if it was a question of any state inside the MKAD. And for Russia it sounds inadequate ....
  47. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 9 June 2016 19: 08
    +1
    And if (pah, pah, pah) a grand schucher a la 1941? request
  48. TeKuS
    TeKuS 9 June 2016 19: 14
    0
    To see imbecile in the nineties he slanted on a yellow card or as the only breadwinner. The fool did not at that time choose such a PR clearly in those nineties he stuck his chicken with his chicken.
  49. Freeman
    Freeman 9 June 2016 20: 01
    -1
    Quote: bad
    "Growth Party" has proposed to cancel the military call in Russia
    ..archigulity! fool brainless initiative from brainless and apparently not serving individuals ...


    Well, I wouldn't say that. These "individuals" were clearly inspired by the experience of neighboring Ukraine. I explain below-

    Quote: Homo
    Quote: Air Force Colonel
    The motivation of the conscript and the contractor in case of war is completely different.

    Are you fucked up? If war has come to your house, what difference does a conscript or contract soldier make! World War II, rank and file - conscripts, contract officers (in fact, they served for a salary).


    War-war strife. Domestic or civil.
    Last call to the APU: On October 14, 2013, Presidential Decree No. 562/2013 was signed, according to which, on January 1, 2014, conscription for military service was suspended and further recruitment was to be carried out exclusively on a contract basis.

    Remind me on whose side the practically contracted army of Ukraine acted?
    (Draftees served 12 months.)
    And this is even before the "first blood", after which the basic law of war came into force - "Kill or you will be killed".

    Quote: mamont5
    Here, with the current situation, on the contrary, it is necessary to give military training to as many citizens as possible, moreover, by all means.

    But the aforementioned "individuals" understand the current situation differently. In the conditions of growing social tension, "it is necessary to give military training to as little as possible number of citizens, moreover by all means."
    IMHO.
    1. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 10 June 2016 15: 25
      0
      No dear. Everyone should be able to defend their homeland. And everyone should know their place in the ranks
  50. earloop
    earloop 9 June 2016 20: 09
    +6
    Conscription must be mandatory! During military service, each soldier must master the use of small arms in battle, shoot accurately, throw grenades. And then either contract service or demobilization.