Russophobes of all countries ... shut up! (Gli Occhi Della Guerra, Italy)

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Does it happen at least one day when people are not told how barbarous, uncivilized, aggressive and harmful this country is Russia? The answer is no, it does not happen.

A joke from personal experience: a few days ago, being invited to one serious prestigious radio program, I listen to Robert Kaplan (Robert Kaplan), he says sensible things about the Middle East, and then gives out the usual introductory word about "Russian aggression in Europe." Kaplan is not just an eminent scientist, he was an adviser to Robert Gates, the US secretary of defense, so he knows perfectly well that NATO military bases were located long before the beginning of the crisis in Ukraine at 120 km from St. Petersburg. He knows that in 2008, on the initiative of the United States, a missile defense project was launched in Poland and Romania. But it is not important. Russia behaves aggressively, and we should not forget about it.

A joke from public life: Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Prime Minister of Denmark from 2001 to 2009, was NATO Secretary General from 2009 to 2014. In this position, he implemented a missile defense project, which, according to his stories, was directed not against Russia, but against the southern nuclear threats (implied Iran). The Iran with which the world a few months ago with the help of the “Five plus One” group (USA, France, Great Britain, China, Russia and Germany) signed an agreement to avoid such threats. However, a few days ago, Rasmussen became a personal adviser to the Ukrainian President Poroshenko, and in his first statement in the new position, he said that it was necessary to act in such a way that Europe would not only extend, but also expand sanctions against Russia. Against the aggressor country, the barbarian, and so on and so forth, see above.

This long introduction will help clarify how useful it will be to read the following two books as soon as they are published: “Russophobia - A Thousand Years of Distrust” by Guy Mettan (Guy Mettan) and Putinophobia by Giulietto Chiesa. These books complement each other in various aspects, as can be seen from the titles.

Mettan (Swiss journalist, historian and politician) analyzes this historical "Distrust" since the time of Charlemagne, explores it, not missing historical jokes, historical News from French, English, German and American sources. Of course, the most sensitive pages are devoted to current events: from the Khodorkovsky case to the alleged “invasion” of Georgia in 2008, from the Olympic Games in Sochi to the crisis in Ukraine in 2014. The author of “Putinophobia” is Julietto Chiesa, an expert on international issues, For many years he worked as a correspondent in Moscow, more sharply revealing a political debate: he turns to the latest episodes of Russophobia, which applies to Vladimir Putin. The constant attacks on Russia, according to Chiesa, are the embodiment of a complex conspiracy of American elites after the collapse of the USSR, built on a perverted, and therefore doomed to collapse system of exploitation of natural resources and financial speculation.

Both books written for different purposes are in many ways in contact with each other. Both authors point to a one-sided use of information that fuels old Russophobia, Mettan compares it to anti-Semitism, and Chiesa to a real military tool. Mettan also suggests that we reflect on the following fact: in China and Japan, who fought with Russia, the phenomenon of Russophobia did not develop, unlike America, despite the fact that the United States was an ally of the USSR in both world wars. It should mean something. The Swiss scientist analyzes high-profile cases (hostage taking in Beslan, a plane crash over Lake Constance) and sorts them down by brick, revealing propaganda hiding inside, distorting all the uncomfortable details, and with them the actual reality.

In the analysis of both researchers in cases, both political and criminal, when drawing parallels with modern versions of the same events, shocking details are revealed. Both Mettan and Chiesa, among other things, without hesitation isolate in such a distortion of reality the dangerous process of political speculation that could put at risk the stability of entire continents.

It seems obvious that neither Mettan nor Chiesa is trying to portray Russia as a paradise on earth or a knight without fear and without reproach. This is also explained by Vincenzo Trani, CEO of General Invest (General Invest is an Italian holding investing in small and medium-sized businesses in Russia and the CIS) and Vice President of the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and Industry who sponsored the translation of Russophobia into Italian: “Mettana’s goal is not to put the West on the dock, but to give Russia the word that the Western media refuse to do with a certain methodical approach in an attempt to reconstruct the complexity of relations between Russia and the West.” The same Chiesa warns Moscow not to "exhume the idea of ​​the Third Rome and the associated idea of ​​the great messianic destiny of Russia."

The difficulty lies in the fact that we are immersed in the opposite picture of the world, according to which the messianic destiny is attributed to us (the spread of our way of life), and for the sake of this goal we are inclined to justify anything (how many wars we organized and continue to arrange for others "Good"?). In this picture of the world, it is necessary that Russia be always and in all guilty, and the West is always innocent and under any circumstances. The reality is a bit more complicated. And forgetting it is dangerous.
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  1. +20
    9 June 2016 18: 29
    laughing Russophobes of all countries ... shut up!

    Otherwise, Russia will come and explain more and more popularly !!! Baltic States and Poland give you 60 hours to prepare a meeting with a loaf of salt and embroidered towels for a meeting !!!!
    1. +58
      9 June 2016 18: 34
      A good article, but who reads them in the West? no one, but read opposing opinions and wild balcony.
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      2. +35
        9 June 2016 18: 56
        Quote: cniza
        A good article, but who reads them in the West?


        They are right that the article is good, they are also right that FEW WHO reads this, but even though it is not enough, someone reads, someone penetrates. So it was not written in vain. This means that today someone does not scold, but sympathizes with us. After all, it is not for nothing that almost half of the EU countries have opened travel agencies that sell Europeans vouchers to Crimea, the Caucasus, Altai, Lake Baikal, etc. This is "not in vain". Yes
        1. +4
          9 June 2016 20: 27
          Quote: cniza
          but who reads them (books) in the West?

          Yes, in general, in the West, almost no one reads books? Basically, everyone watches telly and chews popcorn at the same time!
          It would be good for the content of these books to create an informational-popular film and show it by television companies throughout the country. Then approximately 30% of the adult population will turn to reading books. And so, in the best case, in principle, a small circulation will be sold out over the course of 5 years.
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          2. +7
            9 June 2016 21: 44
            Quote: Tatiana
            Yes, in general, in the West, almost no one reads books? Basically, everyone watches telly and chews popcorn at the same time!

            Yes Yes. Have you been to bookstores in Zurich or Frankfurt? I dare to assure you that it is quite lively there and the faces are no less spiritualized than we have on Vozdvizhenka or Myasnitskaya.
            1. +3
              10 June 2016 06: 57
              Quote: Pinky F.
              Have you been to bookstores in Zurich or Frankfurt?

              They write all nonsense precisely those who have never been there! smile hi
              1. +3
                10 June 2016 14: 14
                Quote: Bayonet
                Quote: Pinky F.
                Have you been to bookstores in Zurich or Frankfurt?

                They write all nonsense precisely those who have never been there! smile hi

                Damn, how life did not work out ... That was not "lucky" for me to visit Zurich and Frankfurt! So now it is inconvenient for your "feeble mind" in front of your "brilliant" intellect and "impeccable" logic. Probably, I'm the only one left. Here are just something that does not pull complexes. And to Zurich too.
            2. +2
              10 June 2016 08: 32
              Quote: Pinky F.
              Yes Yes. Have you been to bookstores in Zurich or Frankfurt? I dare to assure you that it’s quite lively there and the faces are no less spiritualized than we have on Vozdvizhenka or Myasnitskaya

              I haven’t been. But I can say for sure that the point is not in spiritualized persons, but in the fact that it is these individuals who read and that they inspire them. Well, actually public opinion is formed not by bookstores both in our country and in Europe.
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            4. +5
              10 June 2016 08: 57
              Comics and other rubbish are flipping through "soulfully" ... They don't know Goethe, Andersen is heard for the first time, etc.
              1. +3
                10 June 2016 11: 00
                Forgot to add, "unlike us, where every Goethe quotes in the original."
                Did I understand you correctly?
                1. -4
                  10 June 2016 11: 31
                  Quote: Al1977
                  Forgot to add, "unlike us, where every Goethe quotes in the original."
                  Did I understand you correctly?

                  Yes - yes !!! Short evening with seeds in the mound wink
                  1. -4
                    10 June 2016 11: 40
                    Quote: Bayonet
                    Quote: Al1977
                    Forgot to add, "unlike us, where every Goethe quotes in the original."
                    Did I understand you correctly?

                    Yes - yes !!! Short evening with seeds in the mound wink

                    Sesh, neither Yes - yes, but ja-ja - Goethe, Clausewitz and Bismarck fellow
              2. +1
                11 June 2016 07: 22
                What is the argument about? You’ve already too much for classics, but what is better in Russia than you. You look at what kind of literature lies on the ruins of books the same comics, banditry and cheap fiction. Ask our students who Goethe, Schiller, Shakespeare, who wrote the Quiet Flows the Don, who such a Marshak and I doubt that you will receive an intelligible answer. If our students do not know the date of the beginning of the Second World War, Zhukov does not know so what can be argued about. And the last good book is hard to find, and even harder to get because of the prohibitive prices and low incomes of Russian citizens.
      3. +32
        9 June 2016 18: 59
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/227/shjw3.jpg
        1. -6
          10 June 2016 10: 51
          Quote: sever.56
          http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/227/shjw3.jpg

          how they like to believe in fairy tales
          http://gunter-spb.livejournal.com/1396328.html
          Hans Bock, Public Baths (Switzerland), 1597, oil on canvas, Basel Art Gallery.
          1. +9
            10 June 2016 11: 11
            Public Baths (Switzerland)

            Dear Atalef, Switzerland is far from the whole of Europe. No need to isolate exceptions and pass them off as rules!
            1. -1
              10 June 2016 11: 20
              Quote: GSH-18
              Public Baths (Switzerland)

              Dear Atalef, Switzerland is far from the whole of Europe. No need to isolate exceptions and pass them off as rules!

              Name the country and the century, and I will provide you with convincing evidence that we washed in Europe.
              Engravings and paintings (medieval) I hope you will be convinced no less than
              PICTURE Kustodieva 1926 years
              .
              1. +4
                10 June 2016 16: 58
                Well, Russia, Poland, Bulgaria - it's still geographically Europe. Almost half. If we consider from this point of view, then in Europe they did wash, yes. :) We even washed on the outskirts of Europe, right up to the Icelandic baths on geysers, washed in the English and Italian "provinces", etc. But the core of medieval Europe, under the religious pressure of Christian confessions, was an unwashed herd of arrogant "aristocracy."
                1. +2
                  11 June 2016 19: 20
                  Quote: andrew42
                  But the core of medieval Europe, under the religious pressure of Christian confessions, was an unwashed herd of arrogant "aristocracy."

                  I don't pretend to be a thorough knowledge, but it was MUCH worse. There was a primitive lack of wood. As a result - death for a felled tree, all sorts of talkers, paste and other dishes that do not require fire for cooking. Now it would be called an ecological disaster. Accordingly, the "social order" for the maximum reduction in the consumption of firewood was carried out by the then media in the person of the church diligently.
                  And atalef follows the old rule of "tell the truth, but not the whole thing." And his "proof" is crumbled into pieces by one simple question: "Well, you have washed in Europe, but who and in what quantity? In the baths for the soul in a year, bring numbers." In Brittany, something like a forest was somehow preserved in some places, so data ONLY for Brittany villages, as well as for Switzerland, are not interesting.
                  Otherwise, I can cite a portrait of Peter 1 in a shell - "proof" that the nobles of that time walked in shells, etc. Or vice versa - Count Sheremetyev in a dressing gown - "everyone wore dressing gowns." smile
              2. +1
                11 June 2016 22: 49
                about washing, look where the plague columns stand. Plague did not reach Russia on such a scale. And Europe was mowed by the plague oh-so .....
            2. 0
              10 June 2016 11: 43
              Quote: GSH-18
              No need to isolate exceptions and pass them off as rules!
              In ancient Rome, baths arose in the III century BC. They were not only a place to maintain personal hygiene, but also a place to relax and socialize. Roman baths are exclusively public institutions in which at the same time a large number of people could be. When they opened libraries, gyms for sports, dining rooms, massage rooms, that is, they can be called ancient spa centers. Greek terms - laconic. In ancient Greece, the laconicum was visited not only to maintain a clean body. People came here to chat, make useful contacts, and even solve political affairs. It was a kind of interest club. Most often, the Greek bathhouse was part of the gymnasium - a large sports complex, where there was everything to maintain body health and cultural pastime: massage and medical rooms, relaxation rooms, playgrounds for competitions, gyms, etc.
              hi
              1. +2
                10 June 2016 17: 01
                In both of the above cases, baths / baths / laconic, are elements of the so-called autochthonous culture. In the Apennines - the remains of the Etruscan culture, in the Balkans - the pre-Aheanic culture of the Pelasgians, in the captured terms of which Agamemnon basked, but then the Achaeans dolomized a lot (Mycenae and Tiryns were empty), but the laconicisms took root.
              2. +4
                10 June 2016 23: 20
                In ancient Rome, baths arose in the III century BC.

                Do not confuse antique traditions with the Middle Ages. Christianity brought a very peculiar view of hygiene. Enumeration of texts devoted to the fact that washing often is a sin - a whole treatise will take.
              3. 0
                12 June 2016 01: 12
                Quote: Bayonet
                Everything for maintaining healthy body and cultural pastime: massage and medical rooms, lounges, competition grounds, gyms, etc.

                + blackjack (i.e. bones) and sluts.yuhi (i.e. getters). wink
          2. +3
            10 June 2016 23: 17
            that in Europe washed.

            In this case, not a fairy tale at all. There is a lot of evidence of eyewitnesses from Europe, who were surprised by the traditions of hygiene in Russia. Moreover, frequent washing in the West in the Middle Ages was considered sinful, saying that a person thinks too much about his body, and not about the eternal. Some Christian movements in the Middle Ages generally called for abandonment of water procedures.
      4. +15
        9 June 2016 19: 59
        Svezhak !!! laughing

        Georgia will not be able to send its military to NATO exercises in Poland because of chickenpox, the country's defense Ministry said. A few days before the mandate, cases of chickenpox were recorded in the unit, Interfax reports with reference to the Georgian Ministry of Defense. !!!
        1. +9
          9 June 2016 20: 46
          And diarrhea of ​​chronic cases is not registered, .. and then, after all, the I – V characteristic is what trouble ...
        2. +1
          10 June 2016 04: 07
          It seems to me that refusal due to chickenpox is a delicate political move. I want to believe in sensible commanders, but not all the same they turn to us backside.
          If I am mistaken, then here is the spark of God's providence.
        3. +1
          10 June 2016 04: 07
          It seems to me that refusal due to chickenpox is a delicate political move. I want to believe in sensible commanders, but not all the same they turn to us backside.
          If I am mistaken, then here is the spark of God's providence.
        4. +4
          10 June 2016 05: 58
          Quote: Persistent
          Svezhak !!! laughing

          Georgia will not be able to send its military to NATO exercises in Poland because of chickenpox, the country's defense Ministry said. A few days before the mandate, cases of chickenpox were recorded in the unit, Interfax reports with reference to the Georgian Ministry of Defense. !!!

          Why so? Makeup is natural, with your own it will somehow be cheaper.
      5. +30
        9 June 2016 20: 28
        Ukrainian: “Yesterday in the store I looked at the prices and accidentally said that Poroshenko is pi ... as, so I was almost elected as a deputy.” laughing
      6. +6
        9 June 2016 21: 38
        Chiesa is known in the west. And that means books are being read. I have not heard about Mettan before, but I think this is a well-known journalist, since he writes books with analytics. So those who need it will read and draw conclusions.
      7. 0
        10 June 2016 04: 24
        Quote: cniza
        A good article, but who reads them in the West? no one, but read opposing opinions and wild balcony.

        And here is the article. The article is an announcement of books. Books in the West will be read, do not worry. True 0,0001%. If you take the population of the West for lard. Maybe one of them will appear in the media once or twice, but this is informational noise. It would be nice to have more noise. Let's broadcast more to the West. We will not shout them out, and the population there is almost zombies, they are frightened and do not understand anything.
        But how could it be otherwise, for 70 years brainwashed. For 20 years they have made ukrov fascists. System.
        As the saying goes: Do your thing and be what happens.
        1. +1
          10 June 2016 05: 07
          After all, Russophobia is not 70 years old, but much longer. Long before the revolution, the Russian people and Russia were demonized. It is known that under Ivan the Terrible it already worked.
          1. -6
            10 June 2016 11: 02
            Quote: Reptiloid
            After all, Russophobia is not 70 years old,

            Well, this is not a record. For example, "The West is rotting" and "The West is falling apart" - this is more than 200 years old.
        2. +1
          10 June 2016 10: 29
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          ... Ukrov for 20 years, the Nazis did. System.
          As the saying goes: Do your thing and be what happens.


          They have always been like that, they just stopped being controlled in the last 30 years - so they, according to their own mind, built their own casino with blackjack and whores. It is enough to read about the "Chigirin sitting" about what led to this, who was that "prisoner" and where the proud and courageous "Ukrainians" were.

          PS And the memory of this "sitting" still stands in Moscow at the intersection of Pyatnitskaya Street and Vishnyakovsky Lane.
        3. -2
          10 June 2016 11: 07
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          But how could it be otherwise, for 70 years brainwashed. For 20 years they have made ukrov fascists. System.

          Nobody is washing our brains and we are an exceptional nation, do I understand you correctly?
          Around either fascists or stupid people, and only Russia rises above this world, proudly bearing the title of the most spiritualized, just and desired country in the world.
          This explains the fact that all the inhabitants of the planet dream of moving to us ... well, to capture the last thing, to die in nuclear ashes, to visit Russia for at least a second ... Something like this happens if I’m not mistaken, and I understand happiness for faces of our people on the street.
        4. 0
          10 June 2016 15: 19
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          70 years brainwashed.

          Has Charlemagne already passed 70 years? Fuck like time flies.
      8. 0
        11 June 2016 02: 35
        awesome, especially about the bases in Ukraine 120 km from St. Petersburg) if the zeros are an error then THOSE BASES THERE were not found BEFORE Moscow - if in the country of location it is not at all clear where and from which city (the Finnish seems to be not in NATO, even if in NATO is still not 120) Estonian current is suitable - but in Narva, is there a base? In short, the article is EXCLUSIVELY FOR US. URRRAYAYAYA we prepare hats by them their silver-footed and we will shower crying
      9. +1
        12 June 2016 13: 13
        The people there are not wild tea and there will be fewer fools, of whom their government and the generals there are trying to pass off as real. Well, nothing, wait and see who will take it. And the United States, yes there, there are many people, but there is not enough mind for everyone.
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    3. +33
      9 June 2016 18: 39
      Quote: Persistent
      Russophobes of all countries ... shut up!

      I do not agree with the term "Russophobia". Phobia is fear, fear, that is, fear of Russia. Throughout history we have not been overtly feared so often. Rather, it is a pathological hatred of Russia.
      1. +11
        9 June 2016 19: 02
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Rather, it is a pathological hatred of Russia.

        Zhenya hi !, True, the thought began, but somehow unsuccessfully finished wink ... Hatred is something else, rather it is a pathological fear of Russia, and of oneself, invented and inspired at the level of age-old auto-training sessions. Conclusion one - fear means respect. And their "authoritative" opinion about Russia personally to me to a button. Yes These blondes come and go, and Russia was, is and will be !!!
        1. +16
          9 June 2016 19: 13
          Quote: Tersky
          this is a pathological fear of Russia, and to ourselves, far-fetched and inculcated at the level of centuries-old classes of auto-training.

          Do you think the British are really afraid of us? We fought with them directly twice in history, and both times they pressed against us. No, Victor, they hate us, and this hatred is at the level of a mental disorder. Russia in its history has never been England's trade competitor (and the British fought almost all their wars due to economic interests) or some kind of fish. Well, let's say the Balts are afraid of us, the Poles are all sorts of things, but do you think that "old Europe" is really afraid of us? The Finns are not particularly afraid of them, although there seems to be something, judging by the history. smile So I stand my ground, this is hatred, and unmotivated. Hello to you too. smile drinks
          1. +6
            9 June 2016 19: 26
            the Finns, after nearly nearly drawing their independence twice and saw that they were not finished off either in the 40 year or in the 44, decided not to tempt fate with their ambitions anymore, they live quietly and are not afraid, or are afraid, but quietly :)
            1. 0
              10 June 2016 15: 33
              Quote: faiver
              decided not to tempt fate anymore

              Telik look. Already redefined. Because of this, even bears rushed to see the NATO members, it was recently at the VO.
          2. +2
            9 June 2016 19: 43
            Dear Eugene, hatred is fear.
            So, at least it always has been. One way fear drowns out emotion is with emotion. If you’re not afraid, then there is no need to cheat yourself, you beat calmly.
            1. +10
              9 June 2016 19: 52
              Quote: avva2012
              So, at least it always has been.

              Not necessary. Suppose I hate Westerners Natsik, for example, those who shot at jumping out of the windows in the House of Trade Unions in Odessa. But this does not mean that I am afraid of them. Yes
              1. +5
                9 June 2016 21: 33
                Dear, about the "Zapadenskiye Natsik" you went too far, basically it was "roguly" from Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Kharkov. These were the same "thugs" who arranged their "sabbath" in March 2014 in Zaporzhya, and after became mercenaries in Terbats destroying Donbas.
              2. +3
                10 June 2016 03: 31
                Quote: Vladimir Not necessary. Suppose I hate Westerners Natsik, for example, those who shot at jumping out of the windows in the House of Trade Unions in Odessa. But this does not mean that I am afraid of them

                Sorry to answer after so much time, the difference in time zones.
                In the commentary, I meant the content of the article, i.e., Russophobia. Phobia, translated literally, as fear. In honey. literature, phobias are described as un motivated fear, for example, open spaces. Why, why, a man is afraid, and hell knows.
                What you write about is a feeling that any normal person can understand. You (like me) share the views of those people who were burned by the Nazis (and they are exactly the Nazis), respectively, transfer that situation to yourself. "Enemies burned down my home, killed my whole family!" Emotion is conscious in this case, concrete and justified, and not based on fear. This feeling is better called rage. "Let the noble rage boil like a wave ..." hi
                When a person says that he hates, for example, Russians or Jews or Karakalpaks, but at the same time they did nothing to him personally (family, worldview), then this is fear.
            2. +10
              9 June 2016 21: 56
              Quote: avva2012
              hate is fear. So at least there has always been


              Hatred is different.

              "They hated the Bolsheviks. But not with point-blank hatred, when the one who hates wants to go to fight and kill, but with cowardly hatred, hissing, from around the corner, from the darkness. They hated at night, falling asleep in vague alarm ..." (Bulgakov, "White Guard ")

              Russophobes have just "cowardly, hissing hatred", roughly corresponding to your description!
              1. +2
                10 June 2016 03: 42
                Quote: Weyland "They hated the Bolsheviks. But not with point-blank hatred, when the one who hates wants to go to fight and kill, but with cowardly hatred, hissing, from around the corner, from the darkness. They hated at night, falling asleep in vague alarm ..." (Bulgakov, "White Guard ")

                A little, a little, I do not agree with you and Bulgakov. The hatred of the Bolsheviks is justified. The capitalist class, because of the Bolsheviks, they thought, was losing everything "acquired by excessive labor." Moreover, the rage was directed precisely at those who allegedly "deprived them of everything." This applies directly to the inhabitants of the Republic of Ingushetia. And, in my opinion, what Bulgakov writes about is precisely "hissing hatred" from behind a hillock. They are, РјРѕРіР »Ryo lose power and money. What, of course, they were afraid.
            3. 0
              9 June 2016 22: 08
              Quote: avva2012
              Dear Eugene, hatred is fear.

              The westerner feels neither fear nor hatred towards us. During the Crimean blitz, I was in Europe - the magazines of some German channel conducted a blitz-poll on the streets - a continuous grunt of respondents, no one has any opinion, after all, both Crimea and xoxland, and Russia too. There was, however, some kind of aunt who carefully selected German words from the meager vocabulary, but the television people very witty commented on her.
              1. +1
                10 June 2016 03: 47
                Quote: Pinky F. The westerner feels neither fear nor hatred towards us.

                The one who does not experience does not suffer anything. Russophobia, like any other phobia, is a disease. I looked into the ICD-10, section "F", everything is perfectly described there.
            4. 0
              10 June 2016 17: 04
              So fear for the average European is today the most controlling emotion. They became foolish, in the worst sense of the word. If you want to lead the crowd - scare, mobilize, lead to the slaughter. Unfortunately, you cannot talk with a geyropa without a sword, even in your left hand. Competently, politely, patiently, but they won’t listen without a sword. Weaned.
          3. 0
            9 June 2016 20: 51
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Russia in its history has never been England's trading competitor (and the British waged almost all of their wars because of economic interests) or some kind of fish.

            http://vsemirnaya-istoriya.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=108:a
            nglo-russkoe & catid = 5 & Itemid = 29
          4. +2
            9 June 2016 21: 25
            both fear and hatred are present - one does not interfere with the other ...
          5. +3
            9 June 2016 22: 16
            Quote: Vladimirets
            they hate us, and this hatred is at the level of a mental disorder.

            what the fuck upset? Read the comments of some mihan (or who is he there now? Oh yes - he’s cornet) Hurray-patriotic paranoia is also a psychiatrist. A man who virtually storms Washington or London three times a day is, to put it mildly, not quite healthy, is he?
            1. +1
              9 June 2016 22: 27
              Quote: Pinky F.
              Quote: Vladimirets
              they hate us, and this hatred is at the level of a mental disorder.

              what the fuck upset? Read the comments of some mihan (or who is he there now? Oh yes - he’s cornet) Hurray-patriotic paranoia is also a psychiatrist. A man who virtually storms Washington or London three times a day is, to put it mildly, not quite healthy, is he?

              And not getting up from the couch laughing
        2. +2
          9 June 2016 21: 37
          Russia is "to blame" only for the fact that they want to eat! Suppress, their ... Or suppress! This conflict between the East and the West is not one hundred years old. As the "sisters" Rome and Contantinople split, Catholicism and Orthodoxy were formed - and so it began! This is a struggle of worldviews that will not end until one of them wins.
        3. 0
          10 June 2016 15: 27
          Quote: Tersky
          The conclusion is one-fear means respect.

          They are afraid of. Not supported by history. As soon as the generation that has learned the lesson leaves, they immediately try to run over and bite off something. This is not fear, this is a great feeling of envy, which prompts envious people to come up with and publish fables about Russia for self-justification. That you so want to plunder. And I want her women even more. Look at the German women - yes, MAXIM is getting rid of the enduring horror. Here the Germans do not run away. Where? Home, and there she is sitting. Nope !!! And Italy? Yes, their "beauties" are really scared. There is only envy, well, and a desire for profit - where can you get to from the profit on capital.
      2. +5
        9 June 2016 20: 45
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Throughout history, we were not so often openly feared.

        You're not right. Russia, Russia, the USSR, and the Russian Federation are precisely afraid. How children are afraid of everything they can’t understand. So the West is afraid of incomprehensible Russia. They don’t understand how such territories can be developed, how so many nations can get along, how to survive and maintain their identity after so many wars and invasions. They don’t understand our mentality, or rather they cannot adapt our mentality to their own standards. They are afraid of us as warriors capable of winning where all other nations lost. They are afraid of our ability to assimilate any intruders. They are afraid of our SPIRIT! good
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Rather, it is a pathological hatred of Russia.

        Hatred must be based on something. And this is precisely the FEAR before the incomprehensible.
      3. +3
        9 June 2016 21: 22
        Dear, you probably did not quite understand the history, because it is the imposed fear that causes hatred of Russia and Russian people.
      4. 0
        9 June 2016 22: 11
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Rather, it is a pathological hatred of Russia.

        and we have a pathological hatred of the West. To everything. Quits?
    4. +3
      9 June 2016 20: 52
      A ghost wanders through Europe .. A ghost of Russophobia .. It’s time to send him to where they don’t come back ..
      1. -11
        9 June 2016 22: 30
        Quote: dmi.pris
        A ghost wanders through Europe .. A ghost of Russophobia.

        Well, to be honest, for no reason.
        1. +2
          9 June 2016 23: 59
          Quote: atalef
          Well, to be honest, for no reason.


          Of course for no reason.
          If the United Stateskali dies (and this will necessarily happen according to the law of balance of forces in the Drive. Nature always destroys excess potential, and Shakaliya is excess potential) as a state, then 90% of all troubles and troubles on Earth will cease to exist.
          1. 0
            10 June 2016 10: 48
            Quote: alexneg
            If the United Stateskali dies (and this will necessarily happen according to the law of balance of forces in the Drive. Nature always destroys excess potential, and Shakaliya is excess potential) as a state, then 90% of all troubles and troubles on Earth will cease to exist.

            Holy naivety.
            1. +1
              10 June 2016 20: 40
              Wait and see.
        2. +1
          10 June 2016 16: 22
          To be honest, the reasons on the European continent are all about the same. Neither the elves, nor the righteous here (from Moscow to London and from Stockholm to Istanbul) have been around for centuries.
    5. +4
      9 June 2016 21: 13
      It is good that articles of this kind are laid out on VO - this reminds us that there are sensible people in Europe and the world, most of them are undoubtedly - but the authorities and people have always been opposite in their perception of what is happening! The higher you go uphill, the less you are guided by the indicators of absolute justice, because it begins to contradict the laws of relations of this stage of society ... Unfortunately, a 100% combination of human virtue and supreme power is utopia! If you want to be absolutely virtuous - you do not even go to monks - to hermits, but if you go to power, then talking about the common good and justice is just words ...! But this is the paradox of human civilization, I will very figuratively express it now - the spiritual achievements of man belong to hermits, often martyrs, and technical achievements to Caesars! And between them there is humanity as a whole .....
    6. +1
      9 June 2016 21: 20
      It’s even unusual to read such articles, usually pro-Western journalists throw accusations against Russia, and here everything seems to be reasonably painted, as it actually happens.
    7. +4
      9 June 2016 21: 21
      "The difficulty lies in the fact that we are immersed in the opposite picture of the world, according to which the messianic destiny is attributed to us (the spread of our way of life), and in the name of this goal we tend to justify anything (how many wars we have started and continue to arrange for the sake of someone else's 'good'?). In this picture of the world, it is necessary that Russia is always to blame for everything, and the West is always innocent under any circumstances. The reality is a little more complicated. And forgetting about it is dangerous. "
      -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

      Reminded of a joke.
      If the Ussuri tiger attacked you, humble yourself - the law is on its side ...
      No, guys, your laws are for you, but we have our own laws - universal, which do not recognize the right of your elite to "persecute the Russian beast", because you are the animals with your "right of strength" to enslave the weak, we have the right strength to protect the weak from enslavement, which for your elites, stuck in past centuries and pulling humanity there, is beyond their understanding - we are the future of humanity, because we unite people in order to live better for everyone, and you disunite in order to rule ...
    8. +3
      9 June 2016 22: 29
      In fact, the propaganda war is already underway, in full swing. Recently I talked with some friends and realized they succumbed to the manipulations of the West, right now with a scratch I’m trying to convince them. Explain to your friends, acquaintances, relatives what really happens otherwise we may not survive the next coup.
      1. +2
        10 June 2016 05: 27
        About FEAR and HATE for RUSSIA. I would say it is an animal fear, unreasoning !!!!
        This fear is very ancient. This fear will not accept any arguments! At least prove it!
    9. 0
      10 June 2016 14: 08
      Quote: Persistent
      laughing Russophobes of all countries ... shut up!

      Otherwise, Russia will come and explain more and more popularly !!! Baltic States and Poland give you 60 hours to prepare a meeting with a loaf of salt and embroidered towels for a meeting !!!!

      These comments are already tired. I am a patriot of my Motherland, but only backward people can shout like that. How are you going to explain, citizen? Are you going to "explain" yourself, or can you just throw such comments from the sofa? Think what you write. And everyone is happy and plus, - like, yes, we will come now - we will "explain" everything to them so that they would still remember 50 years ... What are you going to explain, and most importantly how? They wanted to go to Europe in war. And who needs this war, did you think? And the fact that the legacy of the USSR and the influence in Europe have been passed, then we have to put up with this ... You cannot return anything, but you don’t need to return it by force, and it’s enough to lay down the Russian guys for nothing. And there will always be dissatisfied people on the other side. They themselves have earned such a reputation, intelligence services work poorly abroad (they work well inside the country). A negative image of the Russian person has been created almost all over the world, and this is not the work of their media or the agitators of the USA and the West, but for the most part the Russian person himself (his terrible behavior, rudeness, etc., cattle). This is naturally a generalized opinion, of course we have exceptions. Now there are other problems. Internal problems need to be solved. And in our country every week it is getting worse (objectively - I don't see or hear any improvements, name it - I will know where someone can live well in Russia). I’m not what I whine, I’m personally all right for now, but I’m unpleasant for such comments from people or on May 9, for example, a slogan “We can repeat it”. Yes, our grandfathers could repeat it - yes !!! Who will now merge into one avalanche of not just crowds of people, but the well-functioning work of all branches of the armed forces and go to Europe to destroy and kill everything there? Are you out of your mind if you think or want this ?! To blame someone, you need to look at yourself. So that people of other countries look at us as an educated, intelligent, cultured, intelligent nation. And they strived for cooperation and friendship with us. I do not argue that all countries have frostbitten people. But we have a lot of them, and for some reason abroad ours are from rich and well-to-do families (getting education in prestigious universities) behave like geeks and barbarians. Naturally, the local population there thinks that the Russians are all like that. So much for patriotism.
      1. +2
        10 June 2016 17: 10
        That's for sure. We will choke on Poland just as the gay Europeans will choke on Russia. Let them "evolve" themselves. We don't need this "clamp", then you can't stick your head back out of it. There is no other way to keep administrative and cultural boundaries.
  2. +6
    9 June 2016 18: 31
    Everyone will come around ... Deservedly ...
    1. +23
      9 June 2016 19: 48
      Everyone will come around ... Deservedly ...

      Add ....
  3. +11
    9 June 2016 18: 32
    Yes Yes! We are the terrible wild Russians! We’ll kill the whole world, we’ll stay alone ... with slanting and greedy eyes fellow
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    2. +34
      9 June 2016 18: 34
      But seriously, here it is:
      1. +3
        9 June 2016 20: 53
        Great movie !!! Takes the soul, GLORY OF RUSSIA !!!!!
      2. 0
        16 June 2016 10: 20
        I like A. Block more: Scythians
  4. +17
    9 June 2016 18: 34
    Or shut up. soldier I’m telling you this as a Tatar. winked
  5. +7
    9 June 2016 18: 37
    "... The same Chiesa warns Moscow ..."
    Of course, thanks, but the Third Rome is not an indicator ...! "... the great messianic destiny of Russia ..." Well, why not ?! Should at least someone return the world to adequacy ...?!
    1. +7
      9 June 2016 18: 58
      Quote: ALABAY45
      "... The same Chiesa warns Moscow ..."
      Of course, thanks, but the Third Rome is not an indicator ...! "... the great messianic destiny of Russia ..." Well, why not ?! Should at least someone return the world to adequacy ...?!

      Chiesa loves Russia, but does not understand. Of course, it is convenient for the bourgeoisie to have Greece as the initial center of Orthodoxy, but the real center of Orthodoxy is Russia.
      1. +7
        9 June 2016 20: 11
        Bourgeois, in general, no matter who and for what. It is simply beneficial for them to have everyone. Especially if the victim believes that they do not have it, but they integrate Euro.
      2. +6
        10 June 2016 02: 41
        Not a Christian, but I understand that only in Russia there was not completely rotten morality left. The people are consolidating on the basis of love for their homeland, pride in their history, family values. Not everything is valued with money.
        The worms of Western values ​​tried to penetrate a lot, but patriotism somehow does not fit in with selfish selfishness, parental and sons (daughter) love with juvenile justice, homosexuals did not defeat traditional love and friendship, sanctions would kill any Western state, and we live for the World Cup getting ready for football ...
        Many will think - the guy suffered. Of course, everything is not perfect here either, and I don’t live sweetly, but not only in devouring the meaning of life. But this is exactly what all 90s tried to instill in us ...
        Russia is a unique country and has the right to be such that it has already proved many times. But the Tan suffers conceit and misianism - they climb with all their holes with their dermocracy ...
  6. +9
    9 June 2016 18: 46
    In the twentieth century, Goebels gave such patterns of lies and the creation of myths that he would not be outstripped soon, but his followers tried. Even in RUSSIA there are those who are lying, while claiming * political motives *, omitting that they get paid because of * the mound *. The fact that a lot of frank stupidity and frank lies about RUSSIA is propagated abroad is a long tradition, but the fact that these enemies are recognized as historical evidence and they certainly believe, right up to including them in history textbooks, is already a targeted action of the enemies of RUSSIA and their mercenaries from history.
    1. +4
      9 June 2016 19: 55
      Basil50
      In the twentieth century, Goebels gave such patterns of lies and the creation of myths that he will not be outstripped soon,

      Karel Paul In his book "Hitler Goes East (1h)" wrote that German soldiers were in shock. According to Goebbels' propaganda, the Russians were subhumans living in the cave age. Kokovo was their surprise when they saw the KV and PPSh tanks, B-4 (152mm howitzer), which the Germans nicknamed "Stalin's Hammer", and then "Katyusha". It was a real horror how subhumans - "cavemen" could create such a thing.
      So many began to think about the fate of the military company and their own, from the very first days of the war.
      And why? Yes, because they were always afraid when Russian would take the club.
      We have clubs and fly into space bully
      1. 0
        10 June 2016 17: 13
        So everything is already described in the tales — Kremeshk took a club, launched into heaven — the first time it fell in a day, the second time in a week, the third time — it still flies somewhere. Battle Space Station? !! :)))
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  7. +3
    9 June 2016 18: 47
    "... in China and Japan, which fought with Russia, the phenomenon of Russophobia did not develop, unlike America, despite the fact that the United States was an ally of the USSR in both world wars ..." Very interesting! Is it true that star-striped instead of convolutions in the brain (if they have brains) have one dollar?
    1. +1
      9 June 2016 19: 01
      Quote: vobels
      Are star-striped instead of convolutions in the brain (if they have brains) one dollar?


      Fifty-fifti with crap like any nation accustomed to living comfortably at the expense of others. Yes
  8. +10
    9 June 2016 18: 55
    I got the impression that the author deliberately avoided sharp language in the article. Probably worried that the article would not be published. Or the editors "corrected". Somehow everything is written "softly". Nevertheless, the water wears away the stone, and the appearance of such articles cannot but rejoice.
  9. +5
    9 June 2016 19: 05
    Europe and America will answer for nonsense and cliche to Russia, and answer dearly. In our world, you have to pay for everything. And the moment of truth (payment of sins) will come. And Russophobes of all countries will go in orderly rows (three cheerful letters).
  10. +9
    9 June 2016 19: 29
    Quote: cniza
    A good article, but who reads them in the West? no one, but read opposing opinions and wild balcony.

    The eldest daughter was on a business trip to Italy in winter. They sell books about Putin, Obama, and so on in all bookstores, shops, etc. Obama has stale goods and books on GDP very quickly. So they read a lot about Russia.
    1. +3
      9 June 2016 19: 37
      Quote: hunt
      and books on GDP are very quickly sold out. So they read a lot about Russia.

      Here, after all, the question is what is written there. request
      1. +1
        9 June 2016 19: 40
        Normally everything is written there :)
  11. +3
    9 June 2016 19: 35
    And to give Russia the word in which the Western media refuse with some methodicity ....,
    we don't need your charity. The time will come, you will crawl yourself, you will ask for more. And since the "great Europeans" don't really want to crawl, so their business is advocating the lifting of the sanctions until Kerdyk looks
  12. +3
    9 June 2016 19: 37
    Reality is a bit more complicated. And forgetting about it is dangerous.

    Well said!
    Likely Russian roots in the family.
  13. +2
    9 June 2016 19: 45
    And these "radishes" that we have in the government are not Russophobes? Gref is a Kabbalist freemason, Kudrin, Dvorkovich, Surkov, two hundred more names ... Are these "Russian knights"? With such "hares" we don't need any enemies!
    1. 0
      9 June 2016 21: 56
      There are always renegades in the people, it is nonsense that they are in power and control this people.
  14. +9
    9 June 2016 19: 47
    This is a really old story, Yes, we Russians (regardless of the nationality of the Georgians or Ukrainian) quietly hate the whole Western world, hate it because they don’t understand and fear, it’s absorbed in their mother’s milk, this is their whole life. You don’t have to go far for an example; read Tolkien with his middle family and evil in the east. We are in their understanding of the orcs, read the fierce warriors in which there is simply no humanity. Or historical examples When the Swedes fought with Petrovsky Russia, they behaved no worse than the Germans during the Second World War, they also burned and slaughtered the local population for the reason that they did not consider people, and if not people, then everything can be done.
  15. +1
    9 June 2016 21: 04
    Another one has brains, in the West it seems like you can count on the fingers of the hand.
  16. 0
    9 June 2016 21: 42
    I already wrote that Gref is a Kabbalist and Russophobe. But what he says about you and me, citizens of Russia:
    "For many Russians, who had little idea who is in control of the country's economy, part of the banker's speech caused a real shock." You are saying terrible things. You are proposing to transfer power into the hands of the population. If each person participates in management, then what do we manage? / ... / Once all people understand the basis of "self", it will be extremely difficult to manipulate them. People do not want to be manipulated when they have knowledge. ... The Jewish culture of Kabbalah, which gave the science of life, was a secret teaching for 3000 years, because people understood what does it mean to remove the veil from the eyes of millions of people and make them self-sufficient. / ... / How to manage such a society where everyone has equal access to information, everyone has the opportunity to judge directly by information received not through trained politicians, political scientists and the media, who, as it were, independent ... In fact, we understand that all the media are busy preserving the "strata" ... ", Gref said openly."
    And don't scare us with Russophobes in the West when there is such a "radish" here.
    1. 0
      10 June 2016 17: 18
      Well, where can we do without them, these "radishes". Where the smell of gesheft is, they are right there - "competently manage". Your money will be ours! - this is business, gentlemen! But seriously, such radishes are also needed so that the shepherds do not sleep. Only now you cannot give them leverage. Let them "bulk up" - there will be an excellent teaching anti-example. But, unfortunately, so far they rule, among other "helmsmen". Until now, after all, we do not know what the roof of VVP has. Leave the tales about the "team" to the children.
  17. 0
    9 June 2016 21: 44
    And the most interesting. None of those who fought with Russia, except perhaps Poland. Does not suffer from Russophobia. But whoever did not fight the Baltic states, the United States, didn’t think anyone else I remember in any way. Can Swedes?
  18. +1
    9 June 2016 21: 53
    Quote: Persistent
    laughing Russophobes of all countries ... shut up!

    Otherwise, Russia will come and explain more and more popularly !!! Baltic States and Poland give you 60 hours to prepare a meeting with a loaf of salt and embroidered towels for a meeting !!!!


    60 hours, too much. It's a shame even that they think so.
  19. +2
    9 June 2016 21: 55
    most commentators have seized on "Russophobia." Why are we so rushing about with her? Doesn't the West love us? And to hell with him, why go to him with your love? "They arranged a chamomile here ...", as the well-known Vasily Alibababevich used to say. Civilization markers were not invented yesterday. How children rejoice when "from there" we hear some timid voices of Russophiles like Chiesa and immediately draw a conclusion - "oh, there is ... ah, the West is gradually beginning to see its light ..."
    Nonsense. Kipling's maxim works here too - "..and never the twain shall meet .."
    Spit on their love and understanding.
  20. 0
    9 June 2016 21: 55
    books written for different purposes


    In my opinion, all books have one goal - a fee.
    Well, the author needs to live on something ...
  21. +4
    9 June 2016 22: 01
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    But seriously, here it is:

    Praise the Lord that I am RUSSIAN!
  22. +7
    9 June 2016 22: 31
    As it turned out, clothes made under the brand "Russian Vatnik" are in fashion now !!!
    Thank ukrobanderovtsy for advertising !!!! wassat
  23. +4
    9 June 2016 22: 38
    ... as soon as they are published: “Russophobia - A Thousand Years of Distrust” by Guy Mettan and “Putinophobia” by Giulietto Chiesa.
    Something I did not understand when the article was written? Both books are published in Russian, and the titles are slightly different.
  24. +4
    9 June 2016 23: 46
    The article is normal, comments too.
  25. +1
    10 June 2016 05: 27
    everything is like in the famous fable "The Wolf and the Lamb" ... "You are only to blame for the fact that I want to eat ..." although Russia is far from a lamb, but the trashy vicious habits of the old woman of Europe and the Yankees who have gone wild from impunity to match the wolf habits
  26. +1
    10 June 2016 08: 21
    I think that those who bleed our countries,
    they themselves are well aware of this.
    And most importantly, they really affect the situation.
    And the rest ... well, from their knowledge or ignorance
    and even desire does not depend on anything.
    As an example, the situation with the lifting of sanctions.
    Just took and rescheduled the meeting,
    where it should have been discussed. That's all.
  27. 0
    10 June 2016 11: 29
    natural resource exploitation system and financial speculation
    And no one wants to live worse than today, but only better. And needs will grow. why? you know

    in China and Japan, who fought with Russia, the phenomenon of Russophobia did not develop, unlike America, despite the fact that the United States was an ally of the USSR in both world wars.
    Well, it means soon it will pass. So only a patient can strive for suicide. Their elites are very sick. No, not mentally ill. There, people have lost all sense of the reality of the world in which they live with the rest of the world.
    They in Europe do not understand where they are heading, they are heading. They do not control this approach to the end of everything. For they live by the principle, And after me even the grass does not grow.
    They do not need to think about tomorrow. After all, everything can be allowed. Unrestrained consumption of everything and everything has not yet led to anything good. Do not stop or do not stop these organisms today, tomorrow we will fly to tartarara together in a crowd.
    Suicides and parasitic organisms!
  28. +1
    10 June 2016 12: 15
    A. Hitler, Chancellor of Germany from 1933 to April 1945, did not manage to change the chemical composition of the brain of the Germans and other European peoples, whom his troops enslaved during these years. After Hitler’s death, Germany partially became even a democratic country, a republic.
    But in the postwar years, American propaganda, American food, the American way of life still changed the brain substance of the vast majority of Europeans. Now this zombie herd clangs its teeth and again tears to the East in the hope of satisfying its hunger and enriching itself. The end will be one except that Russia will no longer allow the revival of fascism in Germany and the United States. It was precisely with this understanding that the elites of Western countries began to fear us. What is good for the Russian is death for the German.
  29. 0
    10 June 2016 15: 08
    and THIS you read http://news-front.info/2016/04/07/v-tyazhelejshie-svoi-vremena-ukraina-umudryaet
    sya-stroit-nazlo-vragam-kerchenskij-most /? utm_source = 24smi.info & utm_medium = refer
    ral & utm_campaign = 2324 & utm_content = 211065 & utm_term = 1302


    Well, Ukrainians !!!!!!
  30. 0
    10 June 2016 17: 32
    Hatred of our eastern neighbors in Europe (that is, Russia in our time) is a very, very ancient thing. I do not know what the Romans of the time of Caesar thought there, who was "not allowed" either into the North Sea with the Baltic (with all their triremes) or beyond the Rhine (with all their praised legions). But since the time when the Visigoths, Franks, Lombards and others settled on the "burned vineyards" of the Western Roman Empire and inherited the spoiled versions of Latin as a language, since then these "Romans of the Germanic nation" have constantly turned eastward. The tool, of course, was for otmaz Christianity. But all these crusading campaigns of Charlemagne and later margraves with the bishops took place for one reason, which emerges from all their "chronicles": "... the Slavs live richly." Greed and desire of the stranger - this is the "perpetual motion machine" of Western "civilization". The rest (crossed Western Slavs, tenants-gesheftmachers followed by a knight-robber) are nuances. And waiting for mercy or understanding from there is stupid.
  31. 0
    10 June 2016 19: 52
    To all our opponents, it is necessary to hammer into the head the TRUTH: if Russia wanted to - they would have already driven them all into the earth long ago. Let them rejoice that, in our peacefulness, we do not want to. Do not wake famously while it is quiet.
  32. 0
    10 June 2016 20: 49
    Quote: Tatiana
    Yes, in general, in the West, almost no one reads books?

    Why write nonsense if you don’t know anything about it? Moreover, now it is easy to see statistics on book sales in different countries. And the West is far ahead of Russia.
    Undoubtedly, Russophobia is inherent in Western countries, but sometimes let us look in the mirror. Judging by the mood here on the site, all Russians just sleep and see how to bomb America and Europe :)
  33. 0
    10 June 2016 21: 50
    The article is not bad, the article is correct. I think that it is better to be afraid of us (than to "steer" us!) If they are afraid, then they respect!
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    12 June 2016 17: 45
    The same Chiesa warns Moscow not to "exhume the idea of ​​the Third Rome and the associated idea of ​​Russia's great messianic destiny."

    The same Chiesa nifiga does not understand the content of the idea of ​​a third Rome,
    if it connects with messianism. She is not directed to reverse
    Papuans in Orthodoxy, and serves as the core of the spiritual purity of our people.