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Naftogaz - Gazprom: "Sell gas fraternally"

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From statements by Ukrainian officials of various ranks over the past year:
Ukraine refuses to purchase Russian gas.


Ukraine will not buy Russian gas, focusing on contracts with EU countries and its own segment of production.

Russian gas will not be purchased from the spring of 2016.

And this is a loud statement specifically the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko:
Ukraine will not buy this (Russian) gas, it does not need it.

Right! - Shouted the representatives of the public Maidan. - We do not need gas from the aggressor and occupier! We will buy liquefied gas from American friends, and then we will start producing ourselves from bio-raw materials, including manure and the contents of the toilets! We can! ..

And here on the eve of an event occurred, which neither Mr. Poroshenko, nor the officials in charge of the "Square" Ministry of Energy, nor other Ukrainian rulers, in a strange way, reported to their compatriots about it. We are talking about the letter, which recently received in the Russian "Gazprom". The head of the company, Alexey Miller, told media representatives that Gazprom received a “envelope” from NAK Naftogaz, which contained words of interest in continuing to purchase gas from Russia.

Information Agency TASS leads Miller's statement:
Yes, indeed, yesterday we received an official letter from the head of Naftogaz of Ukraine asking for the resumption of Russian gas supplies. It comes from nine months: the second half of 2016 and the first quarter of 2017, that is, about the whole of the coming winter and the period of preparation for it.


Naftogaz - Gazprom: "Sell gas fraternally"


Further, the head of Gazprom reveals the reasons why the Ukrainian side suddenly decided to forget about its high-profile statements about the “reluctance” to purchase gas from the Russian Federation and Gazprom specifically:
Changing the mood of the Ukrainian company is understandable. The daily volume of reverse from Europe decreased in June by 6,4 times as compared with May, and by 16,8 times as compared with April.


After that, the representatives of the Ukrainian media were alarmed. When the commotion subsided, we decided to turn to the head of NAK Naftogaz, Mr. Kobolev, with a request to clarify Miller’s statements, and implicitly hoping that Miller was giving what he wanted to do. However, the Ukrainian journalists Kobolev clearly upset, confirming that Naftogaz is going to buy gas from Gazprom again.

TV channel 112 Ukraine quotes the statement Kobolev:
The idea of ​​balancing gas imports in various directions came from Naftogaz. We offered this to the government if Gazprom agrees to make temporary changes to the existing contract, which is unprofitable and non-market, in order to bring the price to a level that is at least close to the market one, in this particular case, if the price lower than the price offered to us from the European direction, then from the point of view of minimizing consumer expenses and simply rational sense, it will be right to buy this gas from the eastern direction.


If you translate all of this from a Maidan-Naftogazovsky brain-breaking into a human language, you get something like this: “Our European partners with the volumes of gas we need throw them, now we have to ask for gas from Russia, but only we will again try to knock out another discount for ourselves.”

The same Kobolev adds that now negotiations have begun with representatives of the Russian gas giant, on the basis of which gas purchases in Russia can begin in the third quarter of this year.

Otherwise, it would be necessary to “prepare for the land” with cow cake, but the trouble is that with cow cake, as well as with the cattle itself, “not everything is so simple” on the territory of the “Square”. Peasant farms for the most part have to let their flocks available under the knife in the absence of markets for dairy products and the minimum solvency of the majority of the population.

The other day, here one of the creative representatives of the forest resources agency suggested that Ukrainian heat and power plants be transferred from coal and gas to firewood. And what! If Naftogaz had not sent its letter to Miller, then the issue of firewood would have been really open, despite its complete technological absurdity ...

In Ukraine, shouting loudly that they would not buy gas in Russia, they apparently forgot a little that the country needed gas not only to make scrambled eggs and cracklings. Gas also provides power generation and industrial facilities. No gas - not that there would be no cracklings in Kiev apartments ... No industry! Fershteyn, gentlemen from the Maidan? It seems that this industry from the Maidan is not needed at all, for there is Europe, which “will disarm, feed, obsess, clothe and warm everyone”, but the authorities need to report to the partners - not a single visa regime ...

And when in Kiev they began to figure out what percentage of the decline in industrial production against the background of the most serious industrial crisis that already emerged, Ukraine expects Ukraine at the current volumes of Slovak-Polish-Hungarian reverse, as it were, to quietly turn to Gazprom to sell gas again. at a fraternal price. " Quietly failed - Miller told about the letter. But for the Ukrainian elites it is no longer important. As they say, they are even with ... eyes ... If only it is cheaper, more and so that you can still fill your own pockets.

And there is an opinion that Gazprom will again go to the “fraternal” agreement, as has happened many times even in the newest stories relations with the Ukrainian "partners".
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  1. Uncle Murzik
    Uncle Murzik 8 June 2016 05: 38
    +46
    There are no "brothers" in business! The so-called brothers have forgiven Russia 3 yards of dollars
    1. smel
      smel 8 June 2016 06: 00
      +52
      They may have forgiven us three yards, but we haven’t. They think that gas supplies could be linked to the terms of debt repayment. Yes, there is also a debt for the subway cars, for the space and road industry. So there is something to think about before selling gas or, all the more, giving discounts. But Gazprom would not hurt to think, and not just push buttons
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        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 8 June 2016 06: 46
          +26
          Quote: Black
          Sell ​​gas to Ukraine? No problems.

          And I believe that it is worthless to light up the ideas of hydency with teranic and kogov gas. Only a democratic liquefied American / Norwegian / Qatari / (reverse add it yourself) or reverse - although it is Mordorian, they don’t talk about it out loud, since the gas has been cleaned from the pollution of mode by distillation through the pipes of the European Union.
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      2. The black
        The black 8 June 2016 06: 44
        +28
        Sell ​​gas to Ukraine? No problem. But only if at least two conditions are met:
        1. The price should be a market price, not the one that Piglet dreamed of.
        2. In the morning money - in the evening chairs (gas) smile
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 8 June 2016 10: 43
          +3
          Sell ​​gas to Ukraine? No problem. But only if at least two conditions are met:
          1. The price should be a market price, not the one that Piglet dreamed of.
          2. In the morning money - in the evening chairs (gas)


          and point 3 and further in order until the "-XNUMXth" - the transfer of our prisoners, and not exchange for Savchenko. "You were in a hurry!" (C). But you never know what good can be done when in the desert only you have a can of water! repeat

          We need to learn from n (artner) s - nothing personal - still cowards left? Well, what to do with you, so be it ... over there, behind the bushes you can take off ... and we will give you these wonderful beads!
        2. Hon
          Hon 8 June 2016 11: 48
          +1
          Quote: Black
          The price should be the market price, not the one that Piglet dreamed of.

          the problem is that now the market price. very low
        3. Follow us
          Follow us 8 June 2016 13: 13
          +2
          3. carefully poke the whole world with his nose into everything previously said Svidomo. Dunk, so to speak, in your own.
      3. Winnie76
        Winnie76 8 June 2016 07: 28
        +17
        Quote: smel
        I think that gas supplies could be linked to the terms of debt repayment. Yes, there is also a favor for

        Let the prepaid turbines drive for the admiral series ...
      4. GSH-18
        GSH-18 8 June 2016 09: 29
        +4
        Naftogaz - Gazprom: "Sell gas fraternally"

        What kind of gas? Ukrodrova! Cheap and cheerful!
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 8 June 2016 11: 22
          +2
          Quote: GSH-18
          What kind of gas? Ukrodrova! Cheap and cheerful!

          That's right. "She died, she died!"
      5. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 8 June 2016 09: 41
        +11
        "There is an opinion that Gazprom will again agree to a" brotherly "agreement, as has happened many times even in the recent history of relations with Ukrainian" partners. "

        Of course it will. The phrase that the main thing is to fill your own pockets can equally well be attributed to Miller. Comrade oligarchs think about national interests in the last turn.
        1. mult-65
          mult-65 8 June 2016 12: 30
          +2
          Alas, this is so. As well as our military pension of 54%.
        2. Alf
          Alf 8 June 2016 23: 14
          -1
          Quote: Reserve officer
          "There is an opinion that Gazprom will again agree to a" brotherly "agreement, as has happened many times even in the recent history of relations with Ukrainian" partners. "

          Someone once said, There are also people. Who could it be ?
      6. avt
        avt 8 June 2016 09: 45
        +2
        Quote: smel
        They may have forgiven us three yards, but we didn’t. I think that gas supplies could be linked to the terms of debt repayment.

        Is that not a duty - a penny, here from the View
        The Ukrainian Justice Ministry has received an official lawsuit from three Cypriot companies associated with businessmen Igor Kolomoisky and Gennady Bogolyubov against the state in the amount of $ 4,674 billion in the case of PJSC Ukrnafta, a government source said.
        “That's really a miracle, so a miracle! You can say rightly. " bully Oh yes Benya! Ah yes son of a bitch!
      7. nrex
        nrex 8 June 2016 10: 20
        +9
        What infuriates this in everything, the result will be one, SIMPLE !!! Like all Ethiopians, Angola, and more. Our taxes are with you. And we go to paid hospitals and other paid institutions. I am a patriot of my homeland, but I do not understand such political MOMENTS. Who benefits from this? They smack us, smile, spit in the back in a day, and in two days already in the face. History does not teach our leadership anything. They can’t give it back, let them go with debts, like with full pants of shit. Not what debtors launder from their obligations.
        1. sergey. 1967.1967
          sergey. 1967.1967 2 December 2016 18: 07
          0
          Well done! I completely agree! And to expel all gastrobaytokhokhlov from Russia !!!
      8. Absurdidat
        Absurdidat 8 June 2016 10: 23
        +3
        Yes, ours will give up, that they do not care, they do not sell their gas and do not forgive their debts, but the people. (
      9. Hon
        Hon 8 June 2016 11: 47
        0
        Quote: smel
        They may have forgiven us three yards, but we haven’t. They think that gas supplies could be linked to the terms of debt repayment. Yes, there is also a debt for the subway cars, for the space and road industry. So there is something to think about before selling gas or, all the more, giving discounts. But Gazprom would not hurt to think, and not just push buttons

        they will not bind, Gazprom has its own interests, the state has its own
      10. ver_
        ver_ 8 June 2016 12: 14
        +1
        ..a I don’t mind at all if Alexey Miller will sponsor Poroshenko from his personal account ..
      11. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 8 June 2016 13: 36
        0
        Right now the situation is no longer that they will not be given them discounts simply because there is no one to talk to about it will pay in advance at the price of the Poles.
        1. Hon
          Hon 9 June 2016 13: 10
          0
          177 dollars called the price
      12. bandabas
        bandabas 8 June 2016 19: 21
        0
        But Gazprom doesn't give a damn. They are tied together (oligarchs). And we will pay. Citizens of Russia. Finish out. And I think soon.
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 8 June 2016 06: 38
      +13
      And this is not a business .. It's just some kind of holiday .. After all, again, Gazprom will give a discount, why? ... A .. ".. FACT THERE ARE PEOPLE ALSO" V. Putin.
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 8 June 2016 10: 51
        +2
        And this is not a business .. It's just some kind of holiday .. After all, again, Gazprom will give a discount, why? ... A .. ".. FACT THERE ARE PEOPLE ALSO" V. Putin.

        addition - on Channel 1 they discussed the problem of gasification all morning, when the land was sold to the people with the condition of gas supply. They have built houses, they have been living on wood for more than a year and there are no extreme ones! And this is not an isolated case - they say that somehow everything is not so arranged in this "national estate", when for a project-piece of paper 1 re, and even then they throw it with a connection! We hear about these double standards, but they apply triple standards to ours!
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 8 June 2016 12: 58
        +2
        Quote: dmi.pris
        And this is not a business .. It's just some kind of holiday .. After all, again, Gazprom will give a discount, why? ... A .. ".. FACT THERE ARE PEOPLE ALSO" V. Putin.

        People are also in Crimea. But for some reason, Ukropia forgot about this, by imposing a blockade on the Republic of Crimea. Moreover, the president and government of Ukraine supported this blockade.
    3. Finches
      Finches 8 June 2016 06: 49
      +15
      If the leadership of Gazprom would not focus on the money, but on the national interests of Russia, then long ago it revised gas relations with such a forgiveness ... Lord unfinished, like Ukraine!
      1. antikilller55
        antikilller55 8 June 2016 07: 06
        +7
        And not only with them but also with other "partners" from the EU.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 8 June 2016 07: 12
        +9
        Quote: Finches
        If the leadership of Gazprom would put at the forefront not the money, but the national interests of Russia,

        It’s strange, then why does the Gazprom management give discounts to Ukraine?
        And as for national interests, what has Gazprom become a company independent of the state? And how long?
        1. edeligor
          edeligor 8 June 2016 08: 05
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Gazprom has become a state-independent company

          I agree. Gazprom is probably the best tool of the Kremlin. Miller words will not utter without a higher resolution.
    4. 72jora72
      72jora72 8 June 2016 07: 06
      +3
      There are no "brothers" in business! The so-called brothers have forgiven Russia 3 yards of dollars
      No one has forgiven or forgotten anything, I assure you ....
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt 8 June 2016 08: 37
      +3
      At yesterday's "Shuster on Weekdays", the resumption of the purchase of Russian gas was discussed from the standpoint of overcoming the problem. laughing We decided that gas should be bought from the one with whom it is cheaper. A masterpiece! laughing
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 8 June 2016 08: 50
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        At yesterday's "Shuster on Weekdays", the resumption of the purchase of Russian gas was discussed from the standpoint of overcoming the problem. laughing We decided that gas should be bought from the one with whom it is cheaper. A masterpiece! laughing

        So maybe they, for the sake of cheap gas, decided to recognize Russia as a European country (so that they were not so rotten)?
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 8 June 2016 11: 14
        +5
        Quote: siberalt
        At yesterday's "Shuster on Weekdays", the resumption of the purchase of Russian gas was discussed from the standpoint of overcoming the problem. We decided that gas should be bought from someone who has cheaper gas. Masterpiece!

        There would be something else to pay))) The treasury is empty, and the IMF is cutting off loans, and even those "trimmings" are intended to pay off debts for previous loans.
    7. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 8 June 2016 12: 50
      +1
      I really feel sorry for your bay bay leg, Bob.
      It’s very unpleasant for me to say this, but there is only one place. Bolivar ran out of steam, and he couldn’t take two down.
    8. APASUS
      APASUS 8 June 2016 22: 05
      0
      Quote: Uncle Murzik
      There are no "brothers" in business! The so-called brothers have forgiven Russia 3 yards of dollars

      These are all fables for the lop-eared, listen more.
      If the money were transferred under an interstate agreement, it is quite logical, but here the debt was formalized through an English bank and purchased on an exchange in the Netherlands.
      ALL shop closed!
      Due to $ 3 billion of Ukrainian debts, England and the Netherlands will not ruin the system of exchange trading in state financial obligations worked out in almost 200 years
      I think the court will still oblige to pay interest at the exchange rate + arrears
  2. 1536
    1536 8 June 2016 05: 52
    +9
    This situation is well described in Krylov's fable "The Dragonfly and the Ant". Classic!
  3. Air defense SSH
    Air defense SSH 8 June 2016 05: 56
    +9
    Last year, he started five cows, during the winter a shithead accumulated, while the neighbors in the garden rasstazheny ready to give Ukraine free of charge as humanitarian aid ...
    But seriously, I think - we need to be tougher with Ukrainians already, we supply gas to Donbas, but we need Svidomo at a double price, even if they ask for a reversal for a discount.
  4. Igor39
    Igor39 8 June 2016 05: 57
    +2
    "Is it possible to have chairs in the morning, and money in the evening? You can at least like it, only money in advance! (C)" Twelve Chairs "
  5. ProtectRusOrDie
    ProtectRusOrDie 8 June 2016 05: 57
    -14%
    "And it is believed that Gazprom will again agree to a" brotherly "agreement, as has already happened many times even in the recent history of relations with Ukrainian" partners. "

    This is logical.
    Once again, it plays into the hands of Russia's image as an adequate state with good neighborly intentions, which is clearly worth more than several million wrappers.
    1. poma
      poma 8 June 2016 06: 30
      +4
      An image, on the basis of which Gazprom can be spoiled, but it will still "go to the meeting."
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 8 June 2016 07: 15
        0
        Quote: poma
        The image, on the basis of which Gazprom can rub, and

        Well, try it, maybe it will work out for you.
      2. ProtectRusOrDie
        ProtectRusOrDie 8 June 2016 08: 24
        -9
        Quote: poma
        An image, on the basis of which Gazprom can be spoiled, but it will still "go to the meeting."


        Then I wonder - do you think that with the PEOPLE of Ukraine you can behave like a bad neighbor in the yard?

        And in the end, fill his face ... and then what? In ordinary life, a neighbor can move ... And where will the people transfer?
        Do you agree to the creation of a permanent, non-negotiable enemy for a much longer period than the existence of a one-day junta? For additional logistics costs when transporting goods by Western route, incl. via Kaliningrad (which, among other things, has become much more risky - can any cargo be delayed / deployed / destroyed?)

        Do not you think that such an approach in politics is not only stupid but also harmful?

        Or, after all, you shouldn't be like them, splashing saliva, and keep your face - or even earn points on "kindness" (for a leading position in the SCO and the EAEU, incl.)

        So much has been said about the information war - and at the same time, some individuals completely ignore the fact - that such "good" actions break the pattern of the Western man in the street and play into our hands ...

        Less further
        1. kryuger.mark
          kryuger.mark 8 June 2016 14: 01
          +1
          May demand from Germany to sell "Mercedes" at the price of "Zaporozhets"? We would understand that the Germans are adequate.
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    3. fif21
      fif21 8 June 2016 08: 35
      +3
      Quote: ProtectRusOrDie
      Once again, it plays into the hands of Russia's image as an adequate state with good neighborly intentions, which is clearly worth more than several million wrappers.
      Poland's statement of refusal to purchase Russian gas and Naftogaz's statement are links of the same chain! Europe forces Russia to sponsor Ukraine (discounts on gas and transit) And if Putin does not bend, then Nord Stream 2 will become a reality. But Europe doesn't care about its image wassat Even if they are not very profitable, they still support US sanctions! And do not complex.
    4. 1536
      1536 8 June 2016 16: 10
      +2
      You explain this to our gas and oil workers, or, at least look on the spot, how they put the siphon in the 50-degree frost, or turn the wheel at the gate valve. It's good to talk about "fraternal help" sitting in a Moscow office.
      And so, whoever is not called. And backward forever, and downshifters, and passengers lagging behind the train. And everyone is poking around here: Give, give! Let them ask Biden. The scheme is simple: Biden buys gas from us at a price that is similar to us, we can even offer liquefied gas, and sells it to the "brothers" as they want, i.e. is free.
      And in general, all this smells like another provocation, which is easy to buy.
  6. svp67
    svp67 8 June 2016 06: 03
    +15
    Sadly, but the option is that Russia will yield and sell gas at a discount of almost 100%. Since the coup, Ukraine has successfully emptied underground storage facilities, passing off this theft as a skillful energy policy that made it possible to abandon the "Russian" gas. And now these storage facilities need to be filled somehow, otherwise in winter problems with gas supplies to Europe may begin and, as always, Gazprom will be "guilty" of this.
    The most natural blackmail.
    1. fif21
      fif21 8 June 2016 08: 41
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      Ukraine has successfully emptied underground storage, passing off this theft as a skillful energy policy,
      They also managed to pump oil out of the pipe laughing Now they don’t know how to fill out, they want to buy from Rosneft, naturally cheaper. good
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 June 2016 09: 37
        0
        Quote: fif21
        They also managed to pump oil out of the pipe

        They also managed to sell their conscience ...
        Quote: fif21
        Now they don’t know

        They don't even bother about it, because "conscience is a chimera."
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  7. sgr291158
    sgr291158 8 June 2016 06: 04
    +9
    Well, what kind of people, first they wate shit and then they ask for gas at a free price. God forbid our agree.
    1. Renat
      Renat 8 June 2016 06: 46
      +6
      Agree, nothing personal, only business. But the price will probably be ridiculous. Citizens with an independent work for us, so they spoke frankly and continue about the fact that they pay much less for gas than we do at home. Policy. However...
      1. edeligor
        edeligor 8 June 2016 08: 13
        +8
        Quote: Renat
        so they spoke frankly and continue about the fact that they pay much less for gas than we do at home. Policy. However...

        This is not politics, this is betrayal. The Kudrin iPhone government can only tear three skins from its citizens. The incomes of the richest in the Russian Federation since 2014 increased by 40% !!! Who do they serve? I won’t be surprised that Dimon sends out Christmas cards and calls up regularly.
      2. svp67
        svp67 8 June 2016 09: 40
        0
        Quote: Renat
        so they spoke frankly and continue about the fact that they pay much less for gas than we do at home.

        Yes, but there was a subsidy from the state, now all this is in the past, Glory to the IMF !!! That's who brought "justice" there
    2. svp67
      svp67 8 June 2016 09: 38
      0
      Quote: sgr291158
      Well, what kind of people, first they wate shit and then they ask for gas at a free price.

      Common, human, descendants of "great ukrov" ...
  8. slovak007
    slovak007 8 June 2016 06: 08
    +3
    And what the "good fellows", for certain, they have raised the quarters for gas from their own people, amid frenzied screams about buying gas in the west, and now they quietly want to buy cheaply "in the eastern direction." Oh, it's not for nothing that they say "when a Ukrainian was born, a Jew began to cry" ...
  9. Uncle Murzik
    Uncle Murzik 8 June 2016 06: 11
    +3
    good "brothers" threw Russia for 3 yards of dollars!
  10. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 8 June 2016 06: 16
    +7
    And, there is an opinion that Gazprom will again agree to a "fraternal" agreement, as has already happened many times even in the recent history of relations with Ukrainian "partners".

    good I fully expect that the author will be right, although it will be insulting in the soul.
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  12. afrikanez
    afrikanez 8 June 2016 06: 31
    +5
    When will this mess with the Russian-Ukrainian gas contract end. They said that we will not buy Ukrainians, so we don’t even have to agree with them on some kind of price reduction and continue to supply gas to these earplugs. Let them learn to answer for their words.
  13. Brigadier
    Brigadier 8 June 2016 06: 36
    +5
    Our "Gazprom" is so flexible that sometimes one wonders what kind of specialists are sitting there who are ready to sell gas to the dill at a price that is clearly unprofitable for Russia ... It looks like the "Svidomye" have already made their way there ... angry
  14. Bramb
    Bramb 8 June 2016 06: 37
    +1
    And, there is an opinion that Gazprom will again agree to a "fraternal" agreement, as has already happened many times even in the recent history of relations with Ukrainian "partners".
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    Who exactly has this opinion? When they say "have an opinion", then for sure this person is either a fool. or a scoundrel.
    The article does not take into account one point: if Gazprom goes to the auction, then Naftogaz will easily challenge the "market nature" of the current agreement and it will be canceled. If he makes a discount - too. The whole point of the crazy pig-faced race is to admit that the current contract is not marketable. All! Gazprom simply does not need to react. And they understand it very well.
    The article is minus, because the most important points are not indicated. I heard the author ringing, but he doesn’t know. where is he.
    1. Volodin
      8 June 2016 14: 08
      0
      Quote: Bramb
      When they say "have an opinion", then for sure this person is either a fool. or a scoundrel.

      It turns out that you have no opinion and never happens. Well ... Congratulations.
  15. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 8 June 2016 06: 40
    +1
    Isn't it time to send the "brothers" away, or to overcharge them so that they don't think little? And to link gas supplies with the payment of a debt of $ 3 billion. The "brothers" would have done so without batting an eye.
  16. dFG
    dFG 8 June 2016 06: 49
    +2
    Since ho.h.h.l. have repeatedly refused brotherly bonds, the discount must be denied and the gas supply should be reasonably and publicly or rigidly linked to a reasonable discount with a debt repayment, because trading with Europe is much more calm and profitable without all noodles about reasonable prices and fraternal peoples.
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  17. Dave36
    Dave36 8 June 2016 06: 52
    -3
    Need to sell, for the whole world we are an adequate state)
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 8 June 2016 13: 15
      +1
      Quote: Dave36
      Need to sell, for the whole world we are an adequate state)

      For the whole world, we are not an adequate state, because we forgive debts and trade at a loss.
      Quote: Kaliostro
      After Russia was peeled by the dill, and the mother had cheated, do not worry, high is stoked with brushwood

      Not brushwood, but dung and a derivative of pig farms.
  18. alex-712
    alex-712 8 June 2016 07: 09
    +2
    Once again, I recall the already winged expression of Sergei Lavrov: "Deblily bl ..."
  19. koksalek
    koksalek 8 June 2016 07: 15
    +2
    And here once again the hour of truth has come, and then you never know what they say from the stands on both sides
  20. netvrz
    netvrz 8 June 2016 07: 16
    +6
    A unique case in world practice: Russia for Ukraine is a successfully functioning hybrid of aggressor and cash cow. It's a shame for the power
  21. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 8 June 2016 07: 17
    +1
    You can and even need to sell gas, but talking about discounts in this situation is not just nonsense, but complete insanity. Not a cent less than the average European price! It will not be funny anymore.
    1. fif21
      fif21 8 June 2016 08: 55
      +1
      Quote: Volzhanin
      You can and should sell gas
      So they buy Russian gas, they just call it reverse! What is the point of selling them cheaper? We support the economy of the military junta ??? fool "Bandera" is worse than Erdogan!
  22. pexotinec
    pexotinec 8 June 2016 07: 29
    +2
    I hope the freebie does not work this time.
  23. Chulman
    Chulman 8 June 2016 07: 31
    +4
    And, there is an opinion that Gazprom will again agree to a "fraternal" agreement, as has already happened many times even in the recent history of relations with Ukrainian "partners".
    -----------------
    As they say good Russian soul! Yes, that's just to help at the expense of others it’s just not in Russian, it’s in the Judean !!!!!!!!!!
    And these ex-brothers need to sell at the market price, or not to sell at all. Let them flip around the market, maybe they will find cheaper, especially since they have so many friends !!!
  24. parusnik
    parusnik 8 June 2016 07: 48
    +3
    Naftogaz - Gazprom: "Sell gas fraternally"... But somehow it’s impossible to drown with firewood ...
  25. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 8 June 2016 07: 55
    +2
    Why not sell 404 gas? I am for. But only sell sarin, mustard and the like am wassat
  26. shcishcok
    shcishcok 8 June 2016 07: 59
    +6
    yes, here, this one with discounts is annoying! there is an agreement, everything has been agreed upon, signed, period. I do not understand our lisp in the direction of slackening prices and all kinds of discounts. They "haven't answered us for Sevastopol yet"!
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 8 June 2016 08: 17
      -2
      Quote: shcishcok
      there is a contract, everything is negotiated, signed and the point.

      read the contract?
  27. Kerry
    Kerry 8 June 2016 08: 03
    +2
    Where to go with such requests are you up to date. doubtful brothers? Start the movement.
  28. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 8 June 2016 08: 19
    +3
    This can be said to be the standard behavior of the so-called Ukrainian authorities.
    1. Half a year to spoil in every possible way, make loud statements, then,
    2. a quarter of a year, continuing to crap, to make hints that they are ready to do a favor and buy gas at a discount (somewhere, about 99.9%), then,
    3. another quarter of the year (without several days) screaming out loud that Russia still talked them to buy gas at a discount,
    4. the remaining few days quietly whine and humiliate,
    5. get gas (on credit, or for money borrowed from Western "partners").

    That's it, profit, next year is the next iteration.
  29. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 8 June 2016 08: 21
    +2
    Again, Ukraine from Russia makes fools - it requires discounts.
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  31. fa2998
    fa2998 8 June 2016 08: 28
    +4
    Quote: smel
    But Gazprom would not hurt to think

    According to my leadership of Tazprom, all these Russian-Ukrainian disagreements to one place! Deliveries to Ukraine, even at a discount, are already profitable (or you can still rip off your own). Money is pouring into their pockets, the rest does not bother them. There is a contract. They will steal less, but they don’t give a damn about the fact that they don’t give a damn about pennies in the Russian budget. ! negative hi
    1. atalef
      atalef 8 June 2016 08: 31
      +4
      WHERE IS SUCH SEEN THAT THE BUYER ON THE SIZE OF THE PRICE DICTATED ITS TERMS TO THE SELLER !!! [/ quote]

      Everywhere - if the seller has no monopoly
      1. region58
        region58 8 June 2016 10: 53
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Everywhere - if the seller has no monopoly

        You want to say that if there are three companies (for example) that successfully trade gas for 200, and a buyer comes and says - I will take 100 each, then they will give him as much as he asks for? Or sent to erotic places to travel? As a well-known character said - "however, I fail" ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 8 June 2016 12: 01
          -2
          Quote: region58
          You want to say that if there are three companies (for example) that successfully sell gas at 200, and a buyer arrives who says - I will take 100 each, then they will send him how much he will ask?

          no, I say, if there are 3 and everyone is trading at the same price - this is a cartel, and this is criminal
          there is a balance - and the consumer is not the last one - go to the market? bargaining? here is the same /
          Quote: region58
          Or sent to erotic places to travel? As a famous character used to say - "I am not successful however" ..

          and what will you do with gas? To eat?
          1. region58
            region58 8 June 2016 19: 28
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            there is a balance - and the consumer is not the last

            Not the last, but obviously not the first, and not the main one.
            go to the market? bargaining?

            Of course, you can come to the market and say that they have a cartel, and meat of 250 is wrong, I will take 100 each. I don’t even want to write further ... Trading goes within certain limits, beyond which it becomes uninteresting to both the seller and the buyer .
            Quote: atalef
            and what will you do with gas? To eat?

            Duc, it does not seem to deteriorate. And in the near future, neither fusion nor antigravity is visible. It’s clear that there are technological limitations - you just won’t shut the well, and the contracts are long-term, and I don’t take it today, I don’t take it next week, and then someday I can take it or maybe not ...
  32. Taygerus
    Taygerus 8 June 2016 08: 35
    +4
    gas can be supplied:
    1. when they fulfill all debt obligations;
    2. at the market price as for the EU (they can be used to integrate into the geyropu);
    3. when will the Minsk agreements be implemented.
    I think this will not happen and dear comrades, let's not talk about business here, there are state interests, and if everything is measured by business, then the outskirts are an example for you, there’s just one business hi
  33. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 8 June 2016 08: 58
    0
    Quote: smel
    But Gazprom would not hurt to think, and not just push buttons

    Mr. Gazprom is a businessman, first of all, he needs to press the buttons on the calculator, and think the task of the GDP and the State Duma. Kiev, like any buyer, certainly wants cheaper, but with the political will of the leadership of our country, he will buy for the reasonable price that we offer. They have nowhere to go.
  34. Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 June 2016 09: 02
    0
    Ukraine clearly indicated that they needed a price lower than the reverse.
    It’s not a question, it’s easy for us to come up with such a price,
    we’ll also be in profit.
    The question is payment. If I remember it right,
    then obtaining a loan for the purchase of "winter" gas is strictly linked to
    sellers of this gas. How will Ukraine pay us?
  35. semuil
    semuil 8 June 2016 09: 03
    +3
    They will again sell at discounted prices Miller himself will open the valve and say that this is how we help ordinary people. It's a pity if this happens, sell for the sake of selling. Gas is not available everywhere in our settlements, so they will have such "high" news.
  36. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 8 June 2016 09: 10
    +1
    The question is very complex, and it is quite possible that dill will be refused. Sales are possible only under the current contract, otherwise if the terms of the contract change, the proceedings in London will not be in our favor. It smacks of temptation for the purpose of fraud in court.
  37. SOB
    SOB 8 June 2016 09: 13
    0
    It is possible subject to payment of gas supplied by LDNR.
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 8 June 2016 10: 20
      +3
      But in DLNR, gas and everything else is not given for free! We pay all utilities! And how are the funds received distributed, the question? But, since the workers of Gorgaz, RES, Ukrtelecom, and possibly others, get paid in Ukrainian hryvnias, we can conclude that the funds are sent to Kiev!
      And the main curiosity, with this procedure, is that we really, as I say dill - "we are bombarding ourselves". DLNR, transferring fees for utilities and other services to Kiev, do not even receive retirement benefits in return, but there are funds for the maintenance and supply of punishers in the Donbass!
  38. 96423lom
    96423lom 8 June 2016 09: 45
    +2
    It seems to me that they will supply gas and give a discount and will continue to wipe spitting. Everyone would have such an aggressor.
  39. thinker
    thinker 8 June 2016 10: 12
    0
    According to Poroshenko, this year Ukraine is counting on a price "of 160-180 dollars per 1 cubic meters" ...
    Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak noted that since April 1, when the discount expired for Ukraine, the price of Russian gas is less than $ 180.

    http://ria.ru/world/20160607/1444167132.html
  40. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 8 June 2016 10: 23
    +5
    Quote: 96423lom
    It seems to me that they will supply gas and give a discount and will continue to wipe spitting. Everyone would have such an aggressor.

    Do not go to the fortuneteller, so it will be, now our "guarantor" will start a record about the "brotherly" people, that we need to help the poor, and again, the "partners", their mother and children, will approve, again for the image it is good, here is Israeli pensioners will pay money, though for their "no money", well, this is garbage, we will endure, thirst, nothing, image everything!
  41. Obolensky
    Obolensky 8 June 2016 10: 50
    0
    Let them buy without discounts. Brotherly ended a long time ago. But the most annoying thing is that discounts will still be ... To fill not only their pockets, but also others.
  42. Kamarada
    Kamarada 8 June 2016 10: 54
    +3
    Well, of course, gas is cheaper for Ukrainians (and then forgive) and Israelis pay pennies. Che Russian man will pull everything out
  43. newterra
    newterra 8 June 2016 11: 06
    +1
    for there is Europe, which “deactivates all, feeds, shods, clothe and warm”
    Well, Europe will definitely "shove" Ukraine
  44. atamankko
    atamankko 8 June 2016 11: 20
    +5
    Rulers, how much can Ukrainians humiliate their people?
    They are not brothers, but traitors.
  45. Romanenko
    Romanenko 8 June 2016 11: 29
    +2
    Yeah
    give gas to us fraternally,
    and we will throw you in - b ... dsk ...
    And for the market to answer?
    The cockpits of liquid gas from Norway were already choked, it was time to hear something intelligible from Kiev, but not in a whisper. Sent in full voice, so ask, so that it can be heard! And nothing personal - pure politics!
  46. demos1111
    demos1111 8 June 2016 12: 31
    +2
    Good day, Vladimir Vladimirovich, given the bulk of the comments described above, I beg you to put before fraternal Ukraine the following conditions for the resumption of gas supplies:
    1 To recognize Crimea as an integral part of the Russian Federation
    2 Remove all units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions.



    If these simple conditions are not met, we ask you not to sell gas to Ukraine, and to Europe to supply a possible minimum, according to the contract.
    Respectfully....
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 8 June 2016 15: 49
      0
      I would not sell to Europe. Or for rubles and on an advance payment, at the price of Russia, and not some exchange. Friends are cheaper, due to non-friendly buyers.
  47. tnk1969
    tnk1969 8 June 2016 12: 44
    +3
    I am sure that they will deliver Ukram gas at a great discount and forgive three lamas. After all, accountants and managers from the Government of Russia are not thinking about the prestige of the state, but about financial benefits. So they were taught and the same thing is required of them by their teachers from the World Bank and the US Federal Reserve. Indeed, it is precisely according to their laws that the Russian economy lives today, and not according to the law of a sovereign state that the Russian Federation.
    I don’t understand why the political parties, which allegedly “get sick” about their compatriots, are silent? The same communists and spravedlivorossy could have started a political campaign long ago to hold hearings on Ukraine's debts to Russian suppliers and also on Russians' debts to utility companies. And if accountants are forgiven Debts to Ukrainians, then why don't they write off debts to their compatriots? Maybe here on the forum it is worth starting such a company and linking the cancellation of any government debts to Russia to zeroing all debts of Russians to their utility suppliers.
    1. Siberian 1975
      Siberian 1975 8 June 2016 18: 05
      0
      I demand an all-Russian referendum on the approval by the people of the extension of existing and the conclusion of new contracts for everything, including gas, with dill, Georgia and the Baltic states. Let these mongrels recognize our attitude towards them.
  48. fa2998
    fa2998 8 June 2016 12: 46
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Everywhere - if the seller has no monopoly

    I don’t know how you do in Israel, but we don’t have a monopoly on the city market, there are a lot of sellers: resellers, farmers. For example, meat is sold for 250-350 rubles. So you go and DESIGN your terms, I will buy for 100-120 rubles. wassat It is possible with the seller to AGREE for a discount, under certain conditions, but DICTING your prices born in a sick brain (this applies to Ukrainians) is not accepted. yes hi
    1. atalef
      atalef 8 June 2016 13: 00
      0
      Quote: fa2998
      I don’t know how you do in Israel, but we don’t have a monopoly on the city market, there are a lot of sellers: resellers, farmers. For example, meat is sold for 250-350 rubles. So you go and PRODUCT your terms, I will buy for 100-120 rubles

      the conversation is not about this, but about the fact that in a competitive environment, the seller cannot dictate the price sucked from the ceiling.
      there is a balance - demand-supply-balance.
      What is the gas price in Europe now?
  49. cergey51046
    cergey51046 8 June 2016 15: 46
    +1
    Fascist Ukraine is the enemy of Russia. Gas is a stratagic raw material and it is criminal to sell it to enemies.
  50. Enoch
    Enoch 8 June 2016 16: 24
    0
    For a week or two, cut off the gas all over Europe, and then talk. And then we are already taking off our socks, and we are all liberal, but we bow - the 5th element does not give everything peace, however, physics. Thank God that you are!