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The Netherlands prosecutor's office published the next version of the report on the crash of a Boeing-777 in the Donbass

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Prosecutor of the Netherlands publishes another version of the report about the crash of "Boeing-777" in the Donbass. Immediately, you should pay attention to the fact that, as a kind of prologue, the Dutch prosecutors and representatives of the investigation publish a statement of the following nature:


The final conclusions on issues related to the crash of "Boeing" will be made this fall.


Among the regular ornate formulations of the special commission there is a statement that the representatives of this commission found the largest fragment of the Buk anti-aircraft missile at the site of the crash. The speech, as reported in the report, is about the back of the rocket, which (quote) "could have been released by chance."

The Netherlands prosecutor's office published the next version of the report on the crash of a Boeing-777 in the Donbass


When exactly this fragment of the rocket was discovered is not reported.

The submission says that the Dutch experts are going to contact the Russian manufacturers of this kind of anti-aircraft missile systems to obtain accurate information about the classification of a fragment of ammunition.

In addition, the report provides data on the collection of chemical analysis of the soil at the site of the crashed aircraft in the Grabovo area and at the sites where the anti-aircraft missile system is likely to be located.



Despite the fact that the Dutch soil chemical analysis of soil was carried out for about a year, unambiguous results of the research were not published - namely, from where did the Buka rocket launch, which shot down Boeing, and was it really only a means of destruction?
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  1. Stalker.1977
    Stalker.1977 6 June 2016 16: 06
    +2
    Again 25, well, at least at last they turned to our specialists.
    1. Altona
      Altona 6 June 2016 16: 18
      +1
      Quote: Stalker.1977
      Again 25, well, at least at last they turned to our specialists.

      --------------------
      Apparently, bending the version of the "Russian origin of the rocket" does not work. Otherwise what's the point?
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 6 June 2016 23: 26
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        Quote: Stalker.1977
        Again 25, well, at least at last they turned to our specialists.

        --------------------
        Apparently, bending the version of the "Russian origin of the rocket" does not work. Otherwise what's the point?

        Along the way, there is no need to talk about "bending".
        They themselves offer the option "random start"in the hope that if he suits Moscow, we will let them jump off ...
        It looks like "partners" are at a dead end
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  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 June 2016 16: 11
    +10
    "Accidental start" is powerful! This is already attaching the Maidania "under the use of an unnatural way", although for gay Europeans this may be a natural state? I do not know angry
    1. Altona
      Altona 6 June 2016 16: 19
      +15
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      "Accidental start" is powerful!

      ---------------
      This is yes. A little more and I will not be surprised "sho that curses Boeing killed himself" ...
      1. Karasik
        Karasik 6 June 2016 16: 41
        +3
        Quote: Altona
        This is yes. A little more and I will not be surprised "sho that curses Boeing killed himself" ...

        Yeah, brazenly "having rammed our cola racket, we fireworks launchers ..."
        1. pilot8878
          pilot8878 6 June 2016 21: 51
          +1
          Quote: Altona
          A little more and I will not be surprised "sho that curses Boeing killed himself" ...

          Quote: Karasik
          Yeah, brazenly "having rammed our cola racket, we fireworks launchers ..."

          And who knows, maybe his air conditioner exploded ... Himself ... Maybe even a condo of the same company as in Lugansk ...
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 6 June 2016 16: 12
    +1
    The final conclusions on issues related to the crash of "Boeing" will be made this fall. ... Well, yes .. where the political wind will blow .. such a conclusion will be ..
    Here's a Dutchman explain to me why Russia needs to drag a Buk into the territory of Ukraine so that a missile could be fired from it by accident, judging by the conclusions of the commission ...
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 6 June 2016 17: 06
      +6
      Quote: parusnik
      Here's a Dutchman explain to me why Russia needs to drag a Buk into the territory of Ukraine so that a missile could be fired from it by accident, judging by the conclusions of the commission ...

      So this is not a MANPADS missile. It is necessary to direct it. It itself will not accidentally aim. And plus the blocking of the "transponder" it is necessary to disable it. Either the investigators are stupid, or they consider everyone to be fools.
  5. avva2012
    avva2012 6 June 2016 16: 12
    +5
    This, as reported in the report, is about the back of the rocket, which (quote) "could have been released accidentally."

    If "by chance", then we are talking about the Ukrainian Buk.
    If it were otherwise, then there was no question of any "accident", "Putin killed our children!" that's all.
  6. EvgNik
    EvgNik 6 June 2016 16: 13
    +5
    This, as reported in the report, is about the back of the rocket, which (quote) "could have been released accidentally."

    Accidents of this kind are found only in science fiction novels.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 6 June 2016 16: 41
      +3
      Eugenic! 16.13. Good time to you! It's like in a joke. I'm sitting potato brushing a sharp knife. Peel on the floor. Mother-in-law walked, slipped and fell right on the knife! And so forty times in a row! Here are all their accidents just from this opera.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 6 June 2016 17: 37
        +1
        Quote: Region 34
        Mother-in-law walked, slipped and fell right on the knife! And so forty times in a row!

        Regie, good evening.
        I will be harsh. Whose mother-in-law? Who is to blame and what to do?
        Always glad to see you.
    2. nerd.su
      nerd.su 6 June 2016 17: 09
      +1
      Quote: EvgNik
      Accidents of this kind are found only in science fiction novels.

      And also in the Ukrainian army. They already have experience shooting down civilian aircraft. And they didn’t recognize it, sort of. But compensation was paid then.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 6 June 2016 17: 38
        0
        Quote: bot.su
        And they didn’t recognize it, sort of.

        And when did they admit something? Something I do not remember such a case.
  7. rus-b4
    rus-b4 6 June 2016 16: 15
    +6
    The actions of Western propaganda lie two years that Russia brought down, and then quietly say that all the same Bendera. And everyone will still remember Russia.
  8. volodya
    volodya 6 June 2016 16: 19
    +1
    They have been offered help for a long time, but now they have decided to turn! In fact, they signed their helplessness!
  9. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 6 June 2016 16: 22
    +3
    I understand that soon the investigation can be frozen for a reason: too many versions, we are confused.
    It seems that they poorly boerach from all that was, for sure.
  10. Runx135
    Runx135 6 June 2016 16: 23
    +7
    Yeah, but experts from the Netherlands are cooler than English scientists, since they can determine from a wreckage that a missile was launched accidentally. It’s not for you to play pawns with your grandmother, and not to draw something on the fences ...
    Still, the speed of the investigation would be tightened and generally they would not have a price!
    1. sisa29
      sisa29 6 June 2016 16: 42
      +3
      Well, there, on the field, they could also dig a shell from KV 2 or t 34, but they will justify ourselves
  11. Observer2014
    Observer2014 6 June 2016 16: 23
    +6
    Everyone knows very well and "saw" (Russia and the states) Who and what the plane was shot down by! Russia, in its best traditions of "strangling python rings", "plays" with "poor" Europeans. "Well, blurt out who flunked the plane !!" Blame Russia specifically! And Holland is just h ..! No, in a place with Holland, all of Europe is h ..! p / s If Russia shot down the plane, the stench would have reached the heavens! And so, we sit and watch the Benny Hill show! laughing
  12. evil partisan
    evil partisan 6 June 2016 16: 24
    +2
    Suppose that after carrying out a chemical analysis of the soil in the area of ​​the crash of the aircraft, specialists will find an explosive from an American "patriot" belay . And then what? sad
    1. 1536
      1536 6 June 2016 16: 29
      +4
      The Chinese will probably be blamed.
  13. salad
    salad 6 June 2016 16: 25
    +3
    B ... so many people have killed ditch !! am
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 6 June 2016 16: 45
      +5
      B ... so many people have killed ck !! oy! ,,
      the goal was set to commit a provocation in order to accuse Russia. Remember, after Boeing, sanctions were introduced.
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 6 June 2016 17: 01
      +2
      salat (1) RU Today, 16:25
      B ... so many people have killed ditch !! am

      Are you embarrassed to ask, generally about the conflict in the Donbass? Or about this plane? repeatp / s For comment definitely + +
  14. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 6 June 2016 16: 27
    0
    No, well, it’s necessary to manage so well that so much (and so long) to write and at the same time not say anything specifically!
    Among the regular ornate wording special commissions ...
    Here they are masters. If concrete results of this Dutch so-called commission are needed, it is only through Washington. And from the slaves what demand?
  15. Donlomakin
    Donlomakin 6 June 2016 16: 27
    0
    This, as reported in the report, is about the back of the rocket, which (quote) "could have been released accidentally."
    "If the stars are lit in the sky, then somebody needs it!"
  16. mamont5
    mamont5 6 June 2016 16: 27
    0
    "This, according to the report, is about the rear of the rocket, which (quote)" could have been fired by accident. "

    Yes Yes. Master's dill for such "accidents". Not for the first time already.
  17. 1536
    1536 6 June 2016 16: 29
    +3
    The Dutch do not want to admit the obvious! They do not want to admit the fact that since the time of Peter I a lot of water has flowed, and now how to conduct an examination of the wreckage of a passenger plane is not a sin to come and study in Russia, listen to and take into account the analysis of our specialists in this field.
  18. black
    black 6 June 2016 16: 30
    +3
    If you are talking about a random shot, then there is no doubt. They think how to tell what the country of 404 found. Knowing our western neighbors is a matter of great trade.
    1. Naum
      Naum 6 June 2016 17: 00
      +4
      Quote: black
      talking about a random shot

      That shot was not accidental at all. On the same day, at about the same time and in the same square, the flight of the Russian "board number 1", returning from Argentina, was expected. The silhouettes of the planes and their colors were very similar. Filled up the "broiler" by the Kuevsky "litak" with an "air-to-air" missile. He himself told about this with regret after landing to the airfield specialists. There were witnesses to this a couple of years ago ... And now the miserable attempts to hide the truth continue. It was not very successful to lay the blame on Russia, there is no order to accuse Ukruin. The way out is to pull the rubber as long as possible. To make everyone tired of waiting. The mistake is that the DPR authorities handed over the remains and remains to the Dutch, but it was necessary to store them in the controlled territory and provide the West, Malaysia with a joint investigation of the causes of the disaster with Russia. It was clear to everyone that there would be attempts at falsification and lies to the whole world about "the fault of the Russians."
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 6 June 2016 17: 27
        +6
        "On the same day, at about the same time and in the same square, the flight of the Russian
        "board number 1", returning from Argentina "///

        Did the route for Putin’s plane, in your opinion, be laid right above the war zone in the Donbass? laughing
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 6 June 2016 17: 42
          +3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Did the route for Putin’s plane, in your opinion, be laid right above the war zone in the Donbass?

          Of course not. Our plane over Ukraine would not have flown in any case. But how do you know this poor?
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  19. brasist
    brasist 6 June 2016 16: 31
    +1
    And right away this (piece of iron) wasn’t in any way, and here you have one more reason to pay off at once, (skillfully and truthfully) dolphinous work.
  20. Shuttle
    Shuttle 6 June 2016 16: 31
    +6
    ... "could have been released by accident."
    This neighboring country was created as if by chance.
    More precisely, it was created, as it were.
    Even more precisely - a neighboring country, as it were.
  21. vanavatny
    vanavatny 6 June 2016 16: 32
    +1
    For 101 years, the world has been waiting for the Bundestag to decide on the genocide, the Dutch may be even more scrupulous. Although it’s certainly more difficult for them, you need to pull the evidence on the slogans and there’s a chance that what they eventually give birth will turn out to be a mournful cry of a freak - a Kiev-born newborn junta
  22. Prisoner
    Prisoner 6 June 2016 16: 33
    +1
    You will not envy the Dutch. Not only are they sitting with their bare backs on the porcupine, they are pouring hot resin over their heads. It is impossible to see the facts to falsify. I wonder why they "found" this piece, what are they trying to do?
  23. Starik72
    Starik72 6 June 2016 16: 37
    +2
    Brothers Dutch by chance it’s like, it means not expected. But you know that only PUK or diarrhea happens unexpectedly or accidentally. So, the Dutch brothers stop the diarrhea of ​​words and say directly, the plane was shot down by Ukraine from the command of the USA. We see and understand where the horns stick out. Do not tail before USA! True, it will come out like an awl from a bag.
  24. Makarov
    Makarov 6 June 2016 16: 39
    0
    this is not a crash report this is a progress report ...
    1. tolancop
      tolancop 6 June 2016 17: 13
      +2
      This is not a report on the progress of the investigation, but ... (further obscene ...). The report implies an unambiguous and orderly presentation: a complete list of measures taken, their results, working versions of what happened, planned events aimed at confirming (refuting) the versions ... That's it. Well, where is the report? It has been 2 (TWO) years. On conducting an examination of a certain object of appealing turned ONLY now. The object of study just discovered? Doesn’t climb into any gates. The object is cut over for a long time, but the examination is appointed only now? Again it doesn’t climb ...
      Explicitly visible desire and love and fish soup ....
  25. drundel861
    drundel861 6 June 2016 16: 47
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Quote: sana_59
    it is in service with our "beloved" neighbors.
    And now attention:
    Quote: from article
    ... experts are going to turn to Russian manufacturers of such anti-aircraft missile systems to obtain accurate information on the classification of a fragment of ammunition.
    "Fragment classification", you say? In my opinion, the little crests jumped ...

    And I understand they also jumped, or rather, they still jumped on the Maidan negative
  26. gg.na
    gg.na 6 June 2016 16: 56
    +1
    The final conclusions on issues related to the crash of "Boeing" will be made this fall.

    Let's wait for the fall of this year, hear what they think up. wassat !
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 6 June 2016 17: 27
      +1
      Quote: gg.na
      Let's wait for the fall of this year, hear what they think up.

      The same thing happened in October, February, May. And they will pull the donkey by the ears until the elephant slams its own.
  27. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 6 June 2016 16: 56
    +4
    Another "razvodilovo", first of all, for Western inhabitants, with the main goal of reducing the result of objectivity to zero - we can not change anything, something is lost over time, it is impossible for sure due to the lack of required elements, Russian experts cannot be completely trusted, and so on ! In two or three years, though no one needs it anymore, the transitional ukrovlast will be replaced by another (European) one and everything will remain only in the memory of those involved and loved ones. West is a bitch tribe and puppies from the same litter!
  28. Arkan
    Arkan 6 June 2016 17: 02
    0
    The grass does not end there, and even without it they are brakes and amateurs. The owners of the local garbage dump do not need objective data and the results of the investigation.
  29. cap
    cap 6 June 2016 17: 08
    +1
    Blue-horned writings will be dictated from phasington.
    I do not expect another.
    The more silent, the more visible the ears of 404.
  30. novobranets
    novobranets 6 June 2016 17: 19
    +3
    This, as reported in the report, is about the back of the rocket, which (quote) "could have been released accidentally."
    What nonsense. Only a bunch happens by chance. To launch a rocket, it is required to carry out more than one procedure, and in a certain sequence. Only in anecdotes the rocket starts from the "felt boot on the remote control."
  31. Ros 56
    Ros 56 6 June 2016 17: 31
    +2
    This investigation reminds me of the length of the TV series "Slave Izaura". The truth itself did not watch this nonsense, but according to this, it took two or three years. negative
  32. taseka
    taseka 6 June 2016 17: 57
    +2
    Accidentally overwhelmed over the Black Sea, then accidentally overwhelmed over Dombass - these are such weirdos with Ukrainian air defense !!!
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 6 June 2016 19: 54
      +1
      So that half an hour before this, Swedish newspapers accidentally write about it - by chance it doesn’t happen ...
  33. Dronza
    Dronza 6 June 2016 18: 19
    0
    “It could have been released by chance” - the world is being prepared for the discharge of Hohland, shot down by accident, with whom it does not happen. Soon there will be American satellite images, such as they could not find for a long time, they were lying around somewhere in the table.
  34. nozdrevat58
    nozdrevat58 6 June 2016 18: 48
    0
    “It could have been released by chance” - the world is being prepared for the discharge of Hohland, shot down by accident, with whom it does not happen. Soon there will be American satellite images, such as they could not find for a long time, they were lying around somewhere in the table.
    Under Kuchma, they "accidentally" shot down a plane flying from Israel. And they didn't apologize. "Well, who doesn't happen to?" I agree, the world is being prepared to drain Ukraine. To Russia, well, no matter how it was impossible to translate the arrows, for that it will be - "accidentally".
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  36. Timson
    Timson 6 June 2016 18: 57
    +1
    - Thomas! The plane was shot down!
    “I see, master.” It is necessary to investigate.
    - How much will you do?
    - I'll do it in a day.
    - And for two?
    - Well ... For ... We’ll do it in two.
    - And in five days?
    “Well, if you try, you can do it in five.”
    - And for ten?
    - Well, master, you are setting goals! For ten days one can not cope, then an assistant is needed - homo sapiens!
    - Take assistants, but not earlier!

    "Formula of love" in a modern interpretation.
  37. rus-5819
    rus-5819 6 June 2016 18: 58
    +1
    Among the ornate formulations of the special commission, there is a statement that the representatives of this commission at the scene of the crash found the largest fragment of the Buk anti-aircraft missile at the moment.

    I’ll also throw a version (do not disclose to the Dutch!) The chip could have arrived a little earlier, because there were military operations, and the APU was not too shy in the methods of destroying the civilian population of their country.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 6 June 2016 19: 50
      0
      there since the first civilian "White Tiger" has been driving, and this nozzle could have brought the SBU from the landfill or some other bad boys from any country on this list:
      Azerbaijan
      belarus
      Egypt
      Finland
      Georgia
      India
      Iran
      North Korea
      People's Republic of China
      syria
      Russia
      Ukraine
      Venezuela
      Other Former USSR Republics
  38. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 6 June 2016 19: 07
    0
    In general, everything is as in the old hohlyatsky proverb: "Who is perdnuv ?!" Nevistka! "" And de vona? "" Telyativ pass. "Aaaaaa! So Vittila is viter nese!"
  39. volodya
    volodya 6 June 2016 19: 40
    0
    Tired of everything, everyone lies, America, Ukraine, Netherlands, Germany! It's time to go fishing, for a week!
  40. Simpsonian
    Simpsonian 6 June 2016 19: 40
    +4
    and was she really the only means of defeat?

    And was she at all? Unlike the teachings of anti-aircraft gunners of the Armed Forces, and the holes of the Su-25 cannon long ago shown by Arkady Mamontov, or did he shoot his movie not in Russian?
    In the report, they "forgot" to attach a piece of cabin skin on which the largest number of them to the Boeing fuselage assembled in the hangar.
  41. Castor oil
    Castor oil 6 June 2016 19: 52
    +2
    The Golans are stirring up, I suppose everything points to the version about the shelling of the unfortunate Boeing by the crest-flyers, here the rusty Bukovsk I-beams did not work, and a video surfaced in the first hours after the tragedy, where a local old man talks about a plane in the sky chasing the liner, etc. and so on .... So we decided to move out of duality - like "it's not clear who shot down, maybe those, and maybe these, but by chance, and let's not find out further, otherwise we can no longer, the competence is not enough we have ... "And bam! - here's a fragment of the engine! We are waiting for a fragment of the case with the inscription "To Amsterdam, .la!"
    PySy: "The toilet is Holland! Because the tiles are not exactly laid, constantly reminds that it was laid by some .... races!" (from)
  42. mr.vasilievich
    mr.vasilievich 6 June 2016 22: 13
    +2
    The Dutch will have many of these versions, and all are not final, until the Americans give the command. And the Americans prefer to remain silent.
    1. atalef
      atalef 6 June 2016 22: 31
      0
      Quote: mr.vasilievich
      The Dutch will have many of these versions, and all are not final, until the Americans give the command. And the Americans prefer to remain silent.

      The Dutch have not yet identified a single version (except that the resin was shot down by Buk) - they have not indicated. They work calmly and methodically without hysteria.
      Please note - at first there was hysteria in the Russian media, dozens of versions - the Moscow Region and the TFR were torn apart because the plane was shot down, and there was also a state witness at the TFR.
      Nobody said anything about Buki. The Dutch were silent and calmly collecting evidence, and suddenly ..... before publishing the preliminary report of the Dutch, Almaz-Antey jumps out of nowhere with his famous pre-conference and declares that the Boeing was shot down by Buk, but with an old rocket and not from the territory of the DPR.
      SKR and MO suddenly shut up with their dozen versions, calculations, interception data, Spanish dispatchers, su-25 mi and state witnesses?
      And after five days, the Dutch voiced about Buk.
      Why so, what kind of coincidence? Here All the media are united in unison and led by Almaz Antey and his field experiments for weeks calling about exclusively Ukrainian Beech.
      Note, the Dutch are silent and calmly continue to work saying one thing - this is Buk, we check all versions.
      Then the type of missile that was in service with the Russian Armed Forces, including again, is voiced - the media are silent about the old missile, but they say that it is Ukrainian.
      The Dutch continue to work without hysteria and collect evidence, remaining constant only in one thing (today) - no one could dispute their conclusions, and I would even say that the Russian media are beginning to voice exactly the Dutch version (in their interpretation), as a rule a few days before its official voicing by the Dutch.
      So today - hundreds of versions were in the Russian media, Mo and SKR - the Dutch voiced only one - the Beech and the type of rocket. But the question is why
      The Dutch Prosecutor’s Office said that after the summer it will present a detailed report on the weapon with which it launched a missile that hit the plane of the Malaysian airline MH17, as a result of which the liner crashed in Donbass, reports NU.nl.

      The prosecutor's office noted that the investigation is at a "final stage." At the same time, the statement states that prosecutors made “several requests” for legal assistance from the countries involved in the case.

      At the same time, the prosecutor’s office emphasized that they are still awaiting information from Russia about the Buk anti-aircraft missile system, from which, according to the investigation, they launched the missile into the passenger airliner.

      Take your time - so far no one has been able to challenge the Dutch conclusions, including Russia.
      Let's wait for the fall.
      1. sogdianec
        sogdianec 6 June 2016 23: 18
        0
        Whoever shot it down, it happened on the territory of Ukraine and they fired from the territory of Ukraine. And the responsibility must therefore lie with the only state. But for some reason they blame Russia, "in May, the relatives of the victims of the plane crash from Australia, New Zealand and Malaysia filed lawsuits against Russia at the ECHR."
      2. frekenbok
        frekenbok 7 June 2016 02: 27
        +3
        yeah, two planes have already fallen (France and Sinai), everyone has figured everything out everything is clear and the Dutch are all working and working quietly and systematically and most importantly without tantrums ..... well, well
      3. saber
        saber 7 June 2016 08: 39
        0
        The beech hit has always been the most realistic version. although there were others - Mukhin is straightforward that it was scattered about pieces of old fighting and the bodies of homeless people. The TFR has a different version ... so what? Naturally, at Almaz-Antey, engineers expressed their versions, suggested experiments, and simulated. Then we got a team, money and away, and conducted a natural experiment. Such things, dear, are not done quickly! Especially in our military-industrial complex. okay at least a year managed.
        And now, an experiment has been carried out, its results are known. You can refute them or yell that there were different versions ... But shooters blah blah blah ... why Russia did not want to play with shelled cards (that is, agree to the tribunal). REFUSE PHYSICS!
      4. Cynic
        Cynic 7 June 2016 19: 13
        0
        As always, balanced, polite, neat and a little past.
        I carefully read the comments, huh ... A human memory is weak and selective, no one remembers such an impression !!!
        Everything was discussed and the course of board No. 1, it was not flying there, and the plane, from the filing of our Moscow Region, that someone was there, etc.
        By the way, Boeing, it was immediately said, could be shot down either by an air defense system or an air-to-air missile.
        No need to hope that everyone with memory is bad, no need.
        And the fact that the Dutch so exalted by you are cunning, politely speaking, is clear to everyone.
        Still, purely interesting, doesn’t it seem strange to you to constantly mention a Buka made in the Russian Federation? BukM1, as the main suspect, was made in the USSR, etc.
  43. loginovich
    loginovich 7 June 2016 01: 57
    0
    The missiles of this complex have 2000 or 4000 damaging elements, depending on the modification. For two years I once saw information that a melted piece of metal was found that was very similar in shape to the damaging element. It was also specified that examinations to establish the grade of steel were not carried out. this question is always kept mixed up. Question to whom?
    1. atalef
      atalef 7 June 2016 05: 51
      0
      Quote: loginovich
      The missiles of this complex have 2000 or 4000 damaging elements, depending on the modification. For two years I once saw information that a melted piece of metal was found that was very similar in shape to the damaging element. It was also specified that examinations to establish the grade of steel were not carried out. this question is always kept mixed up. Question to whom?

      C'mon, everything was found and the twutauric striking elements and characteristic traces and the examination was carried out and the type of missile was unambiguously indicated.
      http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2015/10/13_a_7818707.shtml
      1. saber
        saber 7 June 2016 08: 25
        0
        yeah ?? ... the truth is in violation of all conceivable procedures .. it's like Sashok beaten frozen in the back.
  44. Evil 55
    Evil 55 7 June 2016 04: 04
    0
    Wow ... The word "accidentally" has already appeared in the wording .. So the traces still led to the dill ..
    1. atalef
      atalef 7 June 2016 07: 51
      +1
      Quote: Evil 55
      Wow ... The word "accidentally" has already appeared in the wording .. So the traces still led to the dill ..

      No, it says that they wanted to bring down another plane - it’s worth remembering who at that time almost daily dropped planes
      1. saber
        saber 7 June 2016 08: 23
        0
        which other? what big plane could fly out of ukraine to russia? Ukrainian IL76 landing flew to throw?
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    1. saber
      saber 7 June 2016 08: 22
      -1
      Don't talk nonsense, this is not "echo-moscow" for you. There was a downed transporter, and it seems like a day before the Boeing (although there Strelkov was "knocking down" someone every day) Almaz-Angtey set up experiments a year later, when there were already 100500 versions and all were different. , talked about the big and the LITTLE planes in the sky that day. In general, the xsperds fly like flies to the betrayers, knock down a coin. you too-xperd. Well, only a complete idiot will agree with the tribunal after the Yugoslavian one - again, look for those on ehemaska
  46. Larra anathema
    Larra anathema 7 June 2016 15: 30
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    Despite the fact that the Dutch soil chemical analysis of soil was carried out for about a year, unambiguous results of the research were not published - namely, from where did the Buka rocket launch, which shot down Boeing, and was it really only a means of destruction?

    This means that they cannot yet decide where to "start" it.
  47. Novik
    Novik 9 June 2016 03: 24
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    Isn't that clear? They are intensively preparing an "alibi" for the ukrovoyak. Why didn't anyone pay attention to the keyword "accidentally"? The rocket "accidentally" launched. The horse understands what will follow - that her, that we didn't want, then it itself. Well, something like a child in a kindergarten, "I didn't touch it, it broke by itself."
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 9 June 2016 07: 32
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      Yes, she could not accidentally start, accidentally shot down a Boeing! That's what the conversation is about.
      Given the earlier statement of the same commission that pilots themselves turned off (in the Donbass), then everything goes the way for dill.
      They shot down either a target plane, there were exercises, or a militia dryer, and then MH17, suddenly, get out of nowhere! BY CHANCE!
      The fact that there is still a couple, the three civilian sides were, who remembers ...