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How to kill the Russian space program. Part of 1

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After reading the comments to the material What are we going to fly through 5 in years? In the footsteps of publication, I caught, as they say, several of my miscalculations.


Firstly, I didn’t say "in the coffin" and, moreover, against this "in the coffin", no matter how some readers would like to show it.

Secondly, I absolutely agree that heptyl is not the best component. And it was decided to abandon it in favor of kerosene on the Soyuz and Angara by the 2025 year. But, excuse me, even this is not a reason to ruin such a plant and a design bureau like the KBCA.

I apologize, a little in 90-e closed, and now gnawing elbows?

Thirdly, it is wonderful if everything is as it was written by our readers in the Khrunichev center. Delightful. But then again, if you think that the Khrunichev Center will be able to pull everything out alone on its shoulders, no problem. Then, indeed, the plant and test site KBHA - in the furnace storieswith all the consequences.

How to kill the Russian space program. Part of 1


The problem is that the engines are assembled in KBXA. And who are not going to - they are being tested. Including those produced in Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center. Or am I mistaken, and burn dvigla for "Protons" in the same place, in Fili? Sorry then...

In any case, in the article I gave a certain announcement (for those who read line by line) about communicating with KBKHA employees. I completed my task. In my arms I have a two-hour story about what is happening in the enterprise. And I did not talk with hard workers. Engineers, including the head of one of the units. Two continue to work there, one came under the June reduction. At first I thought to just put the record, but then I refused the idea. Too a swagger there ... blossomed. But, if someone decides that this is a “polymer fake,” there is evidence of the authenticity of the conversation.

Perhaps the whole story does not fit in one article, nothing, we will continue. So I offer you the first person monologue of workers in the space industry. It was actually a monologue, so rarely I will give my explanations in italics.

... A little more than half a year ago there was a change of power in KBKHA. There were old-timers headed by the former general director and general designer Rachuk. Rachuk removed very ugly. They asked, persuaded for a long time, motivated both by age and by the fact that I already grabbed enough. Rachuk really scored enough laurels on the same developments of other engineers and designers, which led. Well, premiums, and other things. But, the truth is, when they say that they did not allow the plant in 90 to fall apart and ruin, they are telling the truth.

Using the story with "Cryoservice" (worthy of a separate material - RS), Rachuk removed. In October, 2015 bring a new mate. Kamysheva A.V. From Rostelecom. There were different rumors, someone said that he was a protege of our governor, Gordeyev, someone said that Kamyshev was a distant relative of Medvedev in the line of the Voronezh’s aunt of the prime minister. (In general, Governor Gordeyev has a hard alibi in terms of Kamyshev, since Kamyshev became a big boss in Rostelecom long before Gordeev appeared in Voronezh - R.S.).

For us, the workers, the appointment of a comrade banker is acting. executive director was a real shock. In spite of all the statutes and other documents, according to which such a position is not provided at all in KBKHA. However, the Moscow company Energomash appointed Kamyshev executive director. Do their will. And began a series of personnel changes.

It was logical to assume that the new executive director would lead the new executive team. But what happened in practice, we did not expect.

For some 3-4 of the month, the top leadership changed to 90%. Deputy Economy and Finance, Deputy Personnel, Legal Department. Began crushing departments. More precisely, Kamyshev began to create departments consisting of 2-3 people.

For example, all our life we ​​had one personnel department. And it is quite clear what he did. Now we have a recruitment department, a recertification department, a personnel department.

Lawyers. It was our jurbyuro. The Bureau! Not a department. From 3's people. Kamyshev created management. Of the 3-x divisions, in each 2-3 person. Naturally, the head of the department, the deputy secretary of the head, and in each department on the head of the department and a subordinate. And all the bosses with the appropriate salaries.

A little old began to displace. It came to frank humiliation, when at a weekly meeting, where everyone was invited, at some point the “old guard” was asked to continue working, and the director discussed further factory questions only with his team.

As a result, two of the old (!!!) people remained. This is the deputy. Executive Director for Production Volgin and Acting Chief Engineer Kodyntsy. And it’s not a fact that they will hold out any more.

We used to have three main engineers. The chief engineer of the enterprise, the chief engineer of the engine plant and the chief engineer of the test complex. Now there will be only one. How he can embrace everything, I, as an engineer, do not understand.

Directors also canceled. Previously, the factory and IC (test complex. - RS) were the director. Now on the test complex is the head of the complex and his two deputies. Deputy for production and deputy for poster systems. The deputy for poster systems is the former chief engineer. The essence of the duties is the same, but the salaries ... But I will tell you about salaries separately later, since I own the numbers.

Generally, when Kamyshev dragged his team, put them in chairs in the management and gave a salary in his own way, it turned out a huge failure. According to the salary of those who were and those who came.

Here are the numbers.

Deputy Executive Director for Human Resources. Salary 150 thousand. Plus surcharge for secrecy. 30%. In our department, which is completely secret, there are no such extra charges. And then - the personnel department ... What's the secret, except for wages and their impassable nonsense? I have a surcharge for the secrecy of 10%. And I work with technology as well. And then - the staff. Plus there is a variable bonus. I do not know why they are rewarded for personal service, but ...

For comparison. We had the position of general designer. Now it is not. Introduced the post of chief designer. Gorokhov we GK. Cool man, "Angara" engine designed, head, God grant him health and long years.

Gorokhov salary 105 (one hundred and five) thousand.

And this is a person who, in fact, makes it possible to earn money with his head. Not to ourselves, not to us. Country. Outraged? Wait a minute...

Kamyshev leads his secretary. Yes, a pipette that is necessary, the highest class. And gives her a salary of 70 thousand. To the secretary. Accounting, of course, infu leaked, the people began to resent, and in the old manner to speak out in the open. It got to and. about. In order to substantiate such a salary to this Pigalitsa, Kamyshev introduces the position of head of the department manager, and puts it to this position. Type she will now command all the secretaries of the plant, machine office, mail, and so on. With the same + 30% for secrecy, bonuses and other pleasures.

Recruited staff in the department of motivation, so there was almost no casting on the external data and the level of familiarity with and. about. Scored on 80 thousand laid. Recruitment - 65 thousand salary. Years that way on 30, in the heads of the vacuum. It came to idiocy, we came to the motivation department with our internal documents, but they honestly stated to us, we have been working here for two months, we don’t know what to do with your calculations.

Come on by who all the tests are. That is, we go through the IR. Here is your salary for the head of the Gurin test complex. 54 thousands. The salary of Matyukhin, the former chief engineer of the IC, is now the deputy director for bench systems. 42 thousands. Heads of departments. The fire department has always been more expensive, they have 35-37 thousands. Cold tests, balancing, accelerating, they are cheaper. 25-30 thousand. For the secrecy of no more than 5%, there is no change of the bonus for a long time.

The length of service was. In September, will be taken away. But there it is really necessary to otpahat half a life to get 12%. But the thing of the past, clean.

Here is the real level of salaries of managers. I have so far just walked through the leaders. Here you will appreciate the real difference between those who came to pull, is sitting, not fucking thinking that he should at least theoretically be able to, and those who are carrying themselves with tremendous responsibility for the launches.

And now we will move smoothly to the engineers and workers. Engineers. The difference between the 1 category and category-free - 3-5 thousands. Without a category - this is a boy after college, the 1 category is you for at least 10 years old.

There is still a difference between the main and auxiliary production. Basically, they still pay extra for harm from 5 to 20%.

To the basic rate of an engineer without a category, which is 16 thousands.

That's what an engineer at KBX is. Just consider yourself, anyway - tears in our time. The level of "free cash" in the normal hypermarket.

Further. Workers. Fitters, installers, mechanics, hydraulics, in general, all workers specialty 6 discharge (and less we do not take), the ceiling - 14 thousands.

Master - plus or minus 20%.

And it is clear that a normal, handy person, and even with experience for such pennies, will not squirrel. On the test the main majority of hard workers from Gremyachiy (nearby village. - R.S.). And there are such shots ... By the way, I noticed that if the drinker is more or less handy. But if the non-drinker and with Gremyachiy - it is generally better to stay away from him, there will be no good. Or look in four eyes, so that something is not screwed up.

We have a mechanic of the 6 category, who only mows the grass all day. Just because his hands exclusively under the scythe are sharpened. And the people work for him. Just because the grass also needs to be mowed. But on the grass in general is a separate topic.

In the 2015 year, we have had a lot of checks in the past years. So, the main task was to whiten, paint, mow and sweep. Expelled all: engineers, workers, heads of sectors ... Heads of departments did not leave unless. In the rain, not in the rain, do not care.

The curbs should be white, the grass should be mown, the asphalt should be swept out, the bushes should be cut into cubes. ALL commissions looked at the sanitary condition of the territory. This was discussed at the planning meetings. This is generally complete ... There would be no way for them to go to the workshops at least once, to see what was going on there.

Then read the comments and quietly shizeeesh. "Burn the branches, saw off emergency and dead trees" ... Everything. Commissions ...

But there will be a separate story about the workshops.

Here Rogozin spoke, blurted out that we are lagging behind the Americans by some amount. It was he who was not in our factory, it is interesting that the curator said after that. Zero would have attributed.

Meanwhile, we are doing what the Americans cannot yet. And fly on our engines. And the French, and the Spaniards, and the Germans. And on the ISS, without us, no one yet. Here's what for now.

And who is this "bye" will cancel? Old people who do not retire, because there is no one else and the morons are crooked, that they leave the old men? Who is leaving now? Here in June they made a reduction. And one more in November will be. And those who I said will remain. With all that it implies. Because they (points to the other interlocutors. - R.C.) horseradish can add up, like one on 16, and the second on 19 thousands to live. With families.

On patriotism to leave? Patriots will be these, in departments with a salary of 60 and above. And what would they not be patriots and patriots? What problems? And we have one problem - to survive, but to find work, in order not to survive, but to live. We want to live in a human way, understand?

I personally understand. Therefore, I will continue the "decoding" and publication of our rather long and somewhat chaotic conversation. Because then there will be another story about the "work" everyday life and management, and the plant, and the test complex. From the first persons. Which are really first, because they assemble and test the engines of "Protons", "Unions", "Hangars". If only because these people sincerely support their enterprise. And they would never leave it themselves. But here they simply survive.

So to be continued. Tomorrow.
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  1. An60
    An60 6 June 2016 06: 26
    -60%
    Everything is lost???
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 6 June 2016 06: 40
      +65
      Quote: An60
      Everything is lost???

      Yes! and we will all die! lol But seriously, apparently in the "sharashkas", there was no "mess" before, such a backlog was left by our fathers and grandfathers that we are still going out at their expense. and in the current "mess", I still think our liberal system is to blame, impunity, the understanding that now is not the 37th year, and "we are not giving up our own." in general, the thought comes that without a "magic pendel", the situation cannot be corrected, and instead of saying like: "are you crazy over there," the GDP will finally hit the table with its fist, and really cool it. ..
      1. An60
        An60 6 June 2016 06: 52
        +5
        Well then, take Stalin out of your pocket. The point of this article? Have you grown pissed, sat, parted ...
        1. Todessichel
          Todessichel 6 June 2016 09: 35
          +14
          Well, yes, there. Why finally write.
          In general, why do something.
          It’s better to impose stupid reviews instead of thinking.
          Here on the forum just the trouble
        2. sa-ag
          sa-ag 6 June 2016 10: 50
          +1
          Quote: An60
          Well then, take Stalin out of your pocket

          And that he will solve engineering problems, or will he put his brains into those who lack them? Where to get engineers, about this question in the article?
          1. Rus Ivan
            Rus Ivan 6 June 2016 12: 44
            +31
            Quote: sa-ag
            Where to get engineers, about this question in the article?


            Quote from the article: "Here's an estimate of the real difference between those who came by pull, sitting there, not realizing that he should be able to at least theoretically, and those who carry the enormous responsibility for launches."

            And this is the reality of the system. And what do you want? To their mediocre children do not sit on the doom raking in the loot?
            We’ve been sniffing their cookies for 25 years. And talking about social elevators, a progressive taxation system, ambitious never-ending reforms is nothing more than a grout of expensive brains.
            1. 2ez
              2ez 7 June 2016 13: 36
              +2
              And plus, and I will add on my own: "All bosses have children, and there are friends-comrades who have children" ... And they also said that in the 30s "the son is not responsible for the father" ...
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 7 June 2016 06: 21
            +4
            Quote: sa-ag
            or will he put his brains into those who lack them?

            Invest does not work. But to correct someone who doesn’t have the right direction, it is possible and necessary.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 7 June 2016 06: 32
              +5
              Quote: Nagan
              Quote: sa-ag
              or will he put his brains into those who lack them?

              Invest does not work. But to correct someone who doesn’t have the right direction, it is possible and necessary.

              Рђ Р »СѓС ‡ С € Рµ РІС‹ С € РёР ± ить РєРѕРµ-РєРѕРјСѓ револьвером имени РќР ° РіР ° РЅР °.
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 7 June 2016 16: 14
                0
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Рђ Р »СѓС ‡ С € Рµ РІС‹ С € РёР ± ить РєРѕРµ-РєРѕРјСѓ револьвером имени РќР ° РіР ° РЅР °.

                I agree. Bring customers, but one at a time.
        3. Aryan
          Aryan 6 June 2016 14: 11
          -25%
          It’s better that this dull article doesn’t have a sequel either tomorrow or ever
        4. Wasiliy1985
          Wasiliy1985 7 June 2016 19: 05
          +4
          Why then ?! For example, I work in a really "private" office that deals with industrial production. There were "fat" years, when orders and their value were simply thrilled by everyone .. That's when we, similarly, developed a whole bunch of "left" services with the staff of a normal department. Now, all of a sudden, all these services have been reduced to 1-2 people, or, moreover, to the merger of 2-3 services into one department: for example, we suddenly have a personnel department again with 4-5 adequate women of 45 50, who simply keep records of "sick leave", vacations, business trips, maternity (for the female part of the staff), and transmit questionnaires of potential employees when applying for work to the heads of specialized departments. And literally 4 years ago, we had such arrogant "wet snacks" - yes, they were an engineer of the 1st category, or there K.T.N. - just a rag .. However, the isolation from the state order makes the owners count money.
          I'm not talking about "effective managers" - I'm talking about those people who organized real production, they live with them.
      2. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 6 June 2016 08: 44
        -9
        "... and we will all die!"
        I, for sure, no! (Until 2061) I should marry my grandchildren and give my granddaughter in marriage! Articles like that cheer me up, however, from the construction of "ofuro" they distract and "slow down" the preparation of smoked fish .. According to "fen-shui" .... Recent comments by Yu. Loza have not read: "How, there is space .. ..?! "
      3. Igor39
        Igor39 6 June 2016 13: 16
        +4
        June 6, 1799 in Moscow was born A.S. Pushkin.
        lines from "Ruslan and Lyudmila"
        —------------------------------------—
        Oh, a hero! In a host of long years
        I had enough time to think;
        Do not deny me a small request
        Give advice to the people:
        “Until the Russian gets into it,
        That the enemy is not a king to him, not a master,
        Not a thief or an aristocrat
        Not a foreign trustee,
        Not a smoky city, not a village
        A ZIONIST MURLO.
        Until he takes it
        Both in words and in deeds,
        Languish mother Russia
        In international shackles! .. ”And you all quote Stalin ...
        1. Koshak
          Koshak 6 June 2016 14: 41
          +10
          Yes, about Pushkin a hard case. belay
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      4. Prisoner
        Prisoner 6 June 2016 14: 26
        +2
        Or maybe return sharashka? winked In fact, these are the first "silicon valleys".
      5. castle
        castle 6 June 2016 15: 26
        -27%
        Stalin is already tired of everyone except Nedomyshlenko. Go ahead, plant and shoot everyone! Russia, her mother. Maybe someone can manage the farm. And who knows how, that enemy, you can’t be able to in Russia. The mummers will run and their money will be knocked out. We, however, will not come running. We have laws and weapons in our hands. Declare Kudrin an enemy. Especially those who will not see him, who do not want to work
        1. luxprofi
          luxprofi 6 June 2016 21: 11
          +12
          "Stalin is already tired of everyone, except Nedomyshlenno. Go ahead, put everyone in prison and shoot! ... Declare Kudrin an enemy. Especially those who do not want to see him will not see him."

          Joseph Vissarionovich had no other methods. Only shoot the worthless little people. And if I read So-False-Nitsyn at night, I think no less than 100500 million enemies. And Kudrin, of course, he is not an enemy, he is a great friend of the United States.
        2. romandostalo
          romandostalo 7 June 2016 14: 07
          0
          And he is an enemy, and is not hiding!
      6. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 7 June 2016 22: 46
        0
        GDP finally hit the table with his fist, and really cool figure it out ...- blessed is he who believes :)
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 6 June 2016 07: 10
      +24
      Optimization, however! Duc, managers throughout the country have been bred and it’s necessary to attach them somewhere, especially if they are someone’s children.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 6 June 2016 07: 15
        +26
        Quote: siberalt
        Optimization, however! Duc, managers throughout the country have been bred and it’s necessary to attach them somewhere, especially if they are someone’s children.

        By the way, "children" already receive government awards "for contribution" ... wassat
        1. Bersaglieri
          Bersaglieri 8 June 2016 09: 10
          +2
          Uh-huh ... "For many years of work and achievements in leadership" at the age of 23.
      2. Altona
        Altona 6 June 2016 14: 17
        +12
        Quote: siberalt
        Optimization, however! Duc, managers throughout the country have been bred and it’s necessary to attach them somewhere, especially if they are someone’s children.

        -----------------------
        What Roman wrote is tracing paper from many plants. There, in the manual, there is completely a blatnyak and a comfortable place; the rest who work are bent by low salaries. And what kind of job is it from uncle and his bl ... woman?
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 6 June 2016 14: 41
          +6
          This is capitalism, in Russian. The capitalist is only interested in profit, and staff costs him. Costs need to be reduced. Nothing personal just business.
    4. atalef
      atalef 6 June 2016 07: 15
      +10
      Quote: An60
      Everything is lost???

      Interesting article. Confirms the previous statement of Rogozin (for which he was cursed 20 times in VO) only the publication of the salary level of specific people will not lead to lawsuits? In any case, we would simply be torn for such a thing.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 6 June 2016 08: 00
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        In any case, we would simply be torn for such a thing.

        Quote: atalef
        In any case, we would simply be torn for such a thing.

        and we have a free country! wassat Hi Sasha! hi
        1. aba
          aba 6 June 2016 19: 16
          +3
          and we have a free country!

          Oh oh ?! Capitalism, and even involved in the blat, is not at all a sign of freedom. Yes, if we are not even talking about the state, but about the primitive communal system, there is also no freedom, there is submission to the rules, traditions, all kinds of taboos and so on.
          Freedom, as the majority understands it, cannot be a feature of any state, even the most democratic.
          About the article itself. Simple and intelligible about the current realities of our state.
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      3. Simple
        Simple 6 June 2016 10: 09
        +12
        "Broke"?
        Is it?
        Do you have an income statement?

        And one more thing: The inclusion of clauses on non-disclosure of information on salaries in labor contracts is a personal initiative of employers. This clause has no legal force. An employer has the right to indicate the employee’s responsibility for disclosing information that is a trade secret, but according to the federal law “On Trade Secret”, wages cannot be a trade secret. There are no such restrictions in the Labor Code. Moreover, salary information is confidential information and is protected by the law on personal data. That is, the employee has the right to communicate it to anyone. But the employer just does not have such a right. ”
        1. atalef
          atalef 6 June 2016 10: 49
          -3
          Quote: Just
          "Broke"?
          Is it?
          Do you have an income statement?

          to the tax. personal data can be published only with the consent of the person or with the permission of the court
          Quote: Just
          And one more thing: The inclusion of clauses on non-disclosure of information on salaries in labor contracts is a personal initiative of employers.

          in a parallel universe / this is personal info and it has the right to be disclosed only with personal permission
          Quote: Just
          but according to the federal law “On Commercial Secrets”, wages cannot be commercial secrets.

          but in terms of not touching personal information?
          Quote: Just
          That is, the employee has the right to inform anyone

          about that and his speech - his s / n / - not a stranger
          1. Simple
            Simple 6 June 2016 11: 20
            +2
            Author and published "with permission"
            You don't have to "suffer" the annual fin. Report - there ph

            You read the law on RFI, and only then on "immunity".

            Credit, banks, leasing, life insurance, health, etc.
            There are all the data about sn.
            "two know - the pig knows".
            And in Israel you will pull out any sn, strip and rinse, as much as you need. And they will not be anything.
            In the US, that is another problem:
            the situation began to change when representatives of the millennium generation came to the offices (people born in the 1980 and 1990 years, whose youth fell on the 2000 years). They are used to frankly discussing personal life in real time on Facebook and Twitter and brought this model of free communication to offices. They use the information they obtained in order to bargain for an increase from the current bosses or to demand a higher salary at their new job.
            1. Professor
              Professor 6 June 2016 11: 23
              -5
              Quote: Just
              And in Israel you will pull out any sn, strip and rinse, as much as you need. And they will not be anything.

              Not certainly in that way. If they lay out the salary not of an abstract locksmith, but of a specific person, then he will have happiness. bully The situation in the public sector is somewhat different. The prime minister himself posted a printout of his salary.

              The monthly salary of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is 48 shekels (about 815 thousand dollars) before taxes. After tax, this amount is reduced to 12,5 17 shekels (about 645 thousand dollars). Such information is contained in the salary sheet published by the Prime Minister on Twitter.
              1. atalef
                atalef 6 June 2016 11: 37
                -5
                Quote: Professor
                Such information is contained in the salary sheet published by the Prime Minister on Twitter.

                I posted it myself. I would look at someone else - who would post someone else's s / n / without permission
              2. Simple
                Simple 6 June 2016 12: 54
                0
                Come on.
                There will be time to look for a specific locksmith
              3. Gogia
                Gogia 6 June 2016 19: 56
                0
                Krutyak, proud of you. We have more than $ lyama per year from the presidential apparatus — and nothing. That’s for whom GAZPROM scopes%)))
              4. simbirzit
                simbirzit 7 June 2016 20: 57
                0
                stupid your prime minister ... this is an officer, but he forgot about the left ....
              5. simbirzit
                simbirzit 7 June 2016 20: 57
                0
                stupid your prime minister ... this is an officer, but he forgot about the left ....
            2. atalef
              atalef 6 June 2016 11: 35
              -1
              Quote: Just
              And in Israel you will pull out any sn, strip and rinse, as much as you need. And they will not be anything.

              with the names of people? belay
          2. Altona
            Altona 6 June 2016 22: 29
            0
            Quote: atalef
            to the tax. personal data can be published only with the consent of the person or with the permission of the court

            -----------------------
            There is a staffing actually Sasha. There is even a salary graduation sign in front of some personnel departments, everything is written there. The worker of the main workshop is 25-30 thousand, auxiliary-15-20, master-30-40, the management of the workshop and departments-50-60, designer-technologist-25-35 thousand, dispatcher-distribution-12-15 thousand ... Well, that’s what it’s written about, so that you can imagine what you can count on when working for this company.
      4. Gogia
        Gogia 6 June 2016 19: 50
        +10
        These creatures themselves must be torn into smaller kusmans. Nits, casemates. Imagine, I had a Jewish friend, in 91 he left like many others to Israel from the 3rd year of KAI. So he said - I hate ZHYDOV! We to him - how so? Are you a Jew? And he is proud of us - a Jew is such a nation, and ZHYDY is a painful condition of the body when a person grabs more than he can swallow. We laughed, of course, but now, after 20 years, I began to understand that the great Russian writers and poets did not write "ZHYDY" about Jews, but about those painful ones, including Russians, Tatars, Great Ukrainians, Chuvashes, etc. (and Jews) abound. I look forward to when at least one nit like Vasilyeva and Serdyukov will be forced to answer according to the laws of the revolutionary time. Temporary workers from "successful managers" are ready to destroy everything around for a 5 km radius for Porsche Cayenne and a summer cottage in Cyprus! This is insulting. Fortunately for you, in Israel, these phenomena are not so promoted as in our country, although they probably have their own Israeli guan in bulk.
    5. Corsair
      Corsair 6 June 2016 09: 48
      +11
      Quote: An60
      Everything is lost???

      In fact, now almost everywhere it is like that, at industrial enterprises of engineers and workers, about 30 percent, all sorts of managers and human resources with lawyers and economists, while these 30 percent of the really working sector receives 10 percent from the salary fund, and about top managers to all sorts of advisers ( who are they? do they even need anything?) - there’s even nothing to discuss - stupidly from the ceiling, so that there are more zeros after the digit is more than 1.
      1. Gogia
        Gogia 6 June 2016 19: 59
        +6
        The same crap and other factories in the defense industry. Everywhere nits from Moscow came in large numbers. The old cadres, who devoted their whole lives to production and knew every bush and corner at the factories - became unnecessary - they say they don’t understand anything in modern production, but they seem to understand the shit, who graduated in absentia and paid from economic institutes and universities at the rate of accounting for trade stalls or undergraduate lawyers.
      2. varov14
        varov14 6 June 2016 21: 42
        +5
        Naivnyak, well, where do we have capitalism and the owner, zh.d. is not the owner, this is an appointee. Therefore, it is profitable for him to keep various hangers-on, such as personnel officers, lawyers, economists and other "advisors", this is the backbone on which you can rely, on the other hand, they perform the function of a devil, since they are the highest paid workers, and for their own they will tear anyone, a person comes to them alone with their problem, and their flock. In production, they may not know a thing or two, there are still engineering personnel, although they are paid lower - the system. he is always at the top, fortunately he will not help anyone, and yes, the backbone is generally a godsend, and there is no need to look for a blatnik, if only he fulfills his role clearly.
    6. FID
      FID 6 June 2016 09: 50
      +5
      Quote: An60

      An60 Today, 06:26
      Everything is lost???

      No, everything is fine !!! We are waiting for you to join the work in the space and aviation industries !!! And then - Hurray! HOORAY! HOORAY!
      1. atalef
        atalef 6 June 2016 10: 51
        0
        Quote: SSI
        Quote: An60

        An60 Today, 06:26
        Everything is lost???

        No, everything is fine !!! We are waiting for you to join the work in the space and aviation industries !!! And then - Hurray! HOORAY! HOORAY!

        an optimist is not the first who shouts - Hurray / and the last one who says --- arctic fox (sorry moderators) -
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          6 June 2016 11: 00
          +8
          Quote: atalef
          only the publication of the salary of specific people will not lead to lawsuits? We would, in any case, for this would simply be torn.


          And the devil knows ... I have no reason to attract me. I was given information - I published. And about the one who gave it to me ... they will search for it, I’m not exactly that either.

          On the other hand, such information should be given, because the lawlessness of "effective" is obvious.
          1. ALABAY45
            ALABAY45 6 June 2016 11: 05
            0
            "... I was given information - I published ..."
            Without material analysis ?! Sly ... hi
            1. nov_tech.vrn
              nov_tech.vrn 6 June 2016 18: 53
              +2
              such conversations about the KBHA have been around for a long time and about an effective leader, in general, all effective begin with one, recruit such fiery girls, usually up to 30 years old, who do not have the slightest understanding of the specifics of the job, but who own all the creative technologies for personnel work, then middle and senior managers are dispersed, able to point out unprofessionalism, well, in addition to the minimum amount, you need to show the work ...
          2. Simple
            Simple 6 June 2016 12: 53
            +3
            You wrote not far away: "railgun / scam / SAW BABLA"
            It seems to me that it was just the top managers and their secrets that I sawed, which is described by the CBM.
            The same thing happened with AVTOVA!
            50 000 000 000₽ + team of top-managers (or 38 toli stopat hundred)
            So drank
            1. goose
              goose 7 June 2016 11: 23
              +1
              Quote: Just
              50 000 000 000₽ + team of top-managers (or 38 toli stopat hundred)

              It has long been accepted that the director + chief accountant (chief financial officer) + optionally some very close ones receive exactly 50% of the payroll of a large plant. The remaining 50% are spread among several thousand people.
              In the minds of many directors, it is perfectly normal to have a salary hundreds of times (or even thousands) of average production. Because the psychology of their slave owner, they pay exactly so much that they do not die quickly.
        2. not main
          not main 6 June 2016 23: 23
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          an optimist is not the first who shouts - Hurray / and the last one who says --- arctic fox (sorry moderators) -

          An optimist is one who sees the light at the end of the tunnel, and a pessimist sees an approaching electric train!
    7. castle
      castle 6 June 2016 11: 04
      +2
      You have to pay specialists, not clowns and buffoons, sorry, selected politicians and artists. Everyone deserves what they choose. Rosguard to help you! And Yunarmia, together with Pavlik Morozov! Lord save Russia!
      1. goose
        goose 7 June 2016 11: 26
        0
        Quote: hrad
        You have to pay specialists, not clowns and buffoons

        Like recruiting like. A "spectacular" director was appointed - everything was gone, he would kick all inconvenient literate techies out, recruit even more "spectacular" subordinates. And he will snatch, as long as they give, with full awareness that he is here TEMPORARY, and it is urgent to have time to build communism for a separate family.
    8. Raffaelx
      Raffaelx 7 June 2016 09: 48
      +2
      TO THE AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE: WHY DO NOT WRITE ALL THIS WANTED AT THE RESOURCE OF KREMLIN.RU
    9. goose
      goose 7 June 2016 11: 13
      +1
      Quote: An60
      Everything is lost???

      The situation is standard, the humanities of the new wave seize the entire leadership, having neither the knowledge nor the desire to do something real, and stupidly suck the juices like parasites until they die. Then they go to look for the next victim, actively waving "leadership experience". And what is interesting - they are taken with arms and legs. The illiteracy of the new wave of management strikes much more than the voluntarism of Khrushchev. There are no social lifts and competition in the management.

      Solid idiocy, as it began in the 90s, continues with rare exceptions. Similar examples - at least 50% of the country.

      It is also good that there are no people in the state close to the holding that holds shares, and who live in Moscow, and this plant has never been seen before. In other cases, up to 30% of the payroll goes to such "ghosts".
    10. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin 7 June 2016 11: 16
      +1
      Nope, this is just a trend of our time - the face of the current Russian economy, so to speak, is an EFFECTIVE MANAGER ... without him today - nowhere. And hard workers and really rummaging people tries nobody needs. The main thing to implement the project is to show some kind of "effective", and the fact that even without it the mechanism worked, it is nothing. MAIN PROJECT IS IMPLEMENTED !!!
    11. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin 7 June 2016 11: 16
      0
      Nope, this is just a trend of our time - the face of the current Russian economy, so to speak, is an EFFECTIVE MANAGER ... without him today - nowhere. And hard workers and really rummaging people tries nobody needs. The main thing to implement the project is to show some kind of "effective", and the fact that even without it the mechanism worked, it is nothing. MAIN PROJECT IS IMPLEMENTED !!!
    12. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 7 June 2016 22: 56
      0
      Quote: An60
      Everything is lost???


      Go yes shoot, or what? Around the Indians with tomahawks and cops. Druids from under the table and climb ...
  2. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 6 June 2016 06: 35
    +10
    The situation is just painfully familiar! Straight through the stages! In the same way, they "optimized" (actually killed) UEHK in my city!
  3. satelit24
    satelit24 6 June 2016 07: 05
    +7
    Was personally on the head. Progress (Samara), which makes rocket engines, - talked to a man who was 53 years old, and he is the youngest in the workshop recourse
  4. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 6 June 2016 07: 13
    +6
    And grass with borders is a real panacea in our time ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 6 June 2016 07: 16
      +4
      Quote: zulusuluz
      And grass with borders is a real panacea in our time ...

      this is holy at all times!
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 6 June 2016 07: 51
        +7
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        this is holy at all times!

        And the lids on the garbage containers, and then suddenly the scraps of sheet steel catch fire and soak the steel and reinforced concrete beams with fire-fighting paint so that they don't catch fire. Without laughing, from the requirements of the safety commission from high authorities like the question: "Why did they throw out another suitable sling? which the strands were cut off during the control test, for which the corresponding statement of the sling failure was drawn up
      2. varov14
        varov14 6 June 2016 21: 55
        +1
        And it’s funny for me personally, a person is in fact exposed as a lo.hom, and he is not only not offended, but also puffed up by his importance, he would have listened to what they say about him behind his back. Fine and gone if you bite on the "painted grass".
  5. SPACE
    SPACE 6 June 2016 07: 15
    -8
    Here Rogozin spoke, blurted out that we are lagging behind the Americans by some amount. It was he who was not in our factory, it is interesting that the curator said after that. Zero would have attributed.

    Meanwhile, we are doing what the Americans can not yet. And they fly on our engines. And the French, and Spaniards, and Germans. And on the ISS without us, no one has yet

    How can you lag behind if everyone on Russian engines fly))) it is not clear
    But it’s clear that sometimes it’s better for some to be silent than to speak.
    1. cap
      cap 6 June 2016 07: 41
      +5
      Quote: SPACE
      Here Rogozin spoke, blurted out that we are lagging behind the Americans by some amount. It was he who was not in our factory, it is interesting that the curator said after that. Zero would have attributed.

      Meanwhile, we are doing what the Americans can not yet. And they fly on our engines. And the French, and Spaniards, and Germans. And on the ISS without us, no one has yet

      How can you lag behind if everyone on Russian engines fly))) it is not clear
      But it’s clear that sometimes it’s better for some to be silent than to speak.


      Here the question is not about the quality of our equipment, it is beautiful, the question is who gets the dividends from its sale.
      The issue of distribution (pocketing) profits from its sale.
      Correct if I misunderstood.
      In terms of the corporation, this is a management issue, the prosecutor will not decide anything. The corporation’s council decides everything. To approve the tariff schedule or not.
      That something like this.
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      2. varov14
        varov14 6 June 2016 22: 07
        0
        Those. the question should be posed with an edge, or the engineering corps to amera for permanent residence, or stupid management there?
      3. goose
        goose 7 June 2016 11: 29
        0
        Quote: cap
        Approve the tariff schedule or not.

        There is no tariff policy or grid, cattle net, the rest have a personal approach.
    2. atalef
      atalef 6 June 2016 07: 42
      +13
      Quote: SPACE
      How can you lag behind if everyone on Russian engines fly))) it is not clear
      But it’s clear that sometimes it’s better for some to be silent than to speak.

      Very simple - you also need to add a rocket and payload to the engines.
      Further, about the engines - this parity of the ghostly shopping mall of NASA was simply not going to invest in these engines, the cooperation is international. Russia produces good engines - great. why invest in them. if you can just buy them?
      but in light of the latest political twists and turns - from 2017-18, NASA will already have its own engines, their own rockets, including private ones, they already have. reusable, reliable. Not so long ago, the article was published. that Russia holds 1% in the space segment.
      What do you think . what will happen after that. How will the Americans begin to produce their engines?
      American orders supported Russian factories for their production, what will happen when these orders disappear? Will Russia need such capacities for their production (all the more so since the RD181 is imprisoned in general under the Amer’s missile). what will be the result - and the result will be one - reduction in production. with all this rhetoric about trampolines, etc. Rogozin and Co. cut off potential customers from Russian plants. and this is the only thing today. what else was at least somehow competitive in Russian space.
      what's next ? What next . managers will remain. secretaries and motivation management departments
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 6 June 2016 09: 57
        -1
        Quote: atalef
        Very simple - you also need to add a rocket and payload to the engines.

        Russia is the leader in launches, the engines themselves do not fly, which means there are missiles. In addition, the country has absolutely the entire spectrum of space technologies, it manufactures and uses rockets and vehicles, including manned, practically for this industry in large quantities.
        Well, where is the lag?
        But the United States is indeed in fact so far behind.
        But, another thing is the commercial side of the issue.
        Quote: atalef
        with 2017-18, NASA will already have its own engines, their own rockets, including private ones, they already have. reusable, reliable.

        Probably I have no doubt, but when they will, I myself will personally say "oh, what fellow Americans, finally caught up with Russia")))
        Z.Y. In the meantime, these are just your words and dreams ...
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 6 June 2016 10: 55
          +1
          Quote: SPACE
          In addition, the country has absolutely the entire spectrum of space technology,

          about hydrogen give an example
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 6 June 2016 14: 16
            +2
            Quote: sa-ag
            about hydrogen give an example

            Such engines were and even flew RD 120 of the same KBHA, now they really are not, but developments are underway and I think there can be no doubt about what they will do. But besides the fact that we are comparing technologies and iron, we must then take into account the tasks that these technologies and iron can implement, and if traditional kerosene engines more than provide their solution at this stage, then perhaps there was no special need for the development of hydrogen atoms, unless what's in perspective.
            But the United States, for example, is a fact, despite its technology, it does not have the ability to carry out the tasks of delivering astronauts into orbit, and one can say a key and very responsible task, at least for now. Well, the task of delivering goods and satellites into orbit is already a commonplace routine.
      2. Julio Jurenito
        Julio Jurenito 6 June 2016 11: 25
        +5
        Real and reliable working rocket engines can be produced in series even with the most acute desire no earlier than in 10-15 years - this is not a whistle to blow from hazel trees, and an example with F-35 is proof of this.

        As for Ilon Mask with his megaafer, he painfully reminds me of the 1993 Berezovsky sample with his Lokhovaz - the kid also went by leaps and bounds to success. True, I came to a towel in the bathroom.

        Great note about the Mask and his brainchild:

        https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1128071823923229&id=1000016126
        75483
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 June 2016 12: 20
          +4
          The USA has been producing its engines for a long time: RS 68, RS 25, RL-10A-4-2, Merlin 1D +, TTRD and all these engines work reliably. "As for Elon Musk" - he already has everything flying and withdrawing payloads, and at the end of this year he will launch a heavy rocket with a carrying capacity of 54 tons - all this is too technologically complicated and costly to be a scam - SpaceX is an excellent indicator of the development of private space.
          1. Julio Jurenito
            Julio Jurenito 6 June 2016 12: 50
            +2
            The only success of the Mask so far is only the Dragon ship. The very idea of ​​a reusable missile is vicious, as it was correctly indicated, first of all, due to a decrease in the mass of the cargo being removed in favor of return systems. The same one destroyed all the runway planes at one time, especially the Yaks, who had to carry two special engines with ballast to provide this runway.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 6 June 2016 15: 32
              0
              Airplanes Yak ruined the collapse of the USSR.
              1. Julio Jurenito
                Julio Jurenito 6 June 2016 18: 36
                0
                What does the collapse of the USSR have to do with the laws of physics ?!
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 6 June 2016 20: 08
                  0
                  In the USSR, they simply could not repeat the Harrier engine.
          2. yehat
            yehat 6 June 2016 14: 26
            +1
            SpaceX is not private space, but a clever escape from budget control using private owners
            there were articles that convincingly prove that Mask has a private company only nominally.
            1. atalef
              atalef 6 June 2016 14: 30
              0
              Quote: yehat
              SpaceX is not private space, but a clever escape from budget control using private owners

              laughing fool
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            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 6 June 2016 20: 11
              -1
              These articles are just Internet junk - not proving anything.
      3. asiat_61
        asiat_61 6 June 2016 22: 43
        +1
        Russia produces good engines - great. why invest in them. if you can just buy them ... Especially if you have your own printing press. How much we need and draw. A good division of labor. Some money, green, earn money, and others print.
  6. Alex66
    Alex66 6 June 2016 07: 16
    +15
    One can feel the leadership of Medvedev, the principle of managerial management, when each pipette imagines itself an enema. And what is described in the article takes place in the country, the personnel principles are the same. We certainly won’t get out of their crisis with the Medvedev team, but Putin is protecting this team.
  7. 31rus2
    31rus2 6 June 2016 07: 28
    +22
    Dear, unfortunately, this is not only in the space industry, in particular, at the plant about which Roman wrote, they "bring" the director, he his appointees and off they go, the reduction of ITRs, hard workers, while unnecessary departments are proliferating with prohibitive salaries, naturally people leave (if there is where), the production seems to be still alive, but in fact it has already died and 2-5 years old becomes bankrupt, then the "innovative production" that produces innovative nails is split up or organized. I completely agree with the above opinion, the system is not consistent and, as it were uryakalka did not shout, we slowly roll down
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 6 June 2016 12: 07
      +3
      Yes, not quietly - at full steam we fly to tartarara. After all, even when import substitution was announced, all those who knew already knew that it would end with another zilch. However, as always in the history of modern Russia.
    2. krops777
      krops777 6 June 2016 13: 20
      +5
      Dear, unfortunately, this is not only in the space industry, in particular, at the plant about which Roman wrote, they "bring" the director, he his appointees and off they go, the reduction of ITRs, hard workers, while unnecessary departments are proliferating with prohibitive salaries, naturally people leave (if there is where), the production seems to be still alive, but in fact it has already died and 2-5 years old becomes bankrupt, then the "innovative production" that produces innovative nails is split up or organized. I completely agree with the above opinion, the system is not consistent and, as it were uryakalka did not shout, we slowly roll down


      I’m wondering in which state company it’s not as it is written here, remove the names and exactly the same as in my native Russian Railways
  8. Pioneer Leader
    Pioneer Leader 6 June 2016 07: 36
    +10
    it's time for all such directors and bureaucrats to arrange the 37th year. Otherwise, I’ll shame the country ...
    1. 1536
      1536 6 June 2016 07: 47
      +2
      You can arrange a whole decade 37-47-th years. And to 61 fly to Alpha Centauri.
  9. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 6 June 2016 07: 51
    +11
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    ... in general, the thought comes that without a "magic pendel", the situation cannot be corrected

    Duc, there is no one to give pendal to someone. Everything is in business, in cuts ... And to potential giveers, for a long time crushers tore off, alas ...
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    and instead of saying like: "are you crazy there," the GDP will finally hit the table with its fist, and really cool it ...

    And here it was even funny wassat Do you, in all seriousness, think that GDP will be able to restore order in the country? Come on ... Judging by his statements, deeds and actions, he is happy with everything, by 146%. Unfortunately...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 6 June 2016 08: 02
      +3
      Quote: Shelest2000
      And here it was even funny that you, in all seriousness, think

      sarcasm of course ... I'm not so naive. recourse
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 June 2016 20: 13
      0
      After such publication, the author can be pulled out of the factory.
      1. goose
        goose 7 June 2016 11: 39
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        After such publication, the author can be pulled out of the factory.

        The most disgusting thing is that after this a person in our country has nowhere to go. If you give everyone advice "go to Moscow, there is a lot of work", what will happen to the country ???

        This is an ugly financial bubble - like a cancer for the country. This is not about Muscovites, but about a system that centralized all resources under control so that the regions would not get the extra penny. As a result, Muscovites should be fed the same thing so that there is no local revolution - as a result, a financial bubble, a merger of capital with power, corruption and other delights.
      2. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 7 June 2016 23: 04
        0
        the author? - from the factory? - due to the fact that the yaks destroyed the collapse of the USSR? turnut? these are the ones that litter the Internet ...
  10. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 6 June 2016 07: 53
    +3
    Everything is lost? Not all may be lost, but this is the result of an artificial crisis, when the authorities begin to concentrate on narrow areas to save money, the rest begin to feel an acute lack of funding, which ends with such things as described in the article. You can write thousands of such articles now, about different directions.
  11. netvrz
    netvrz 6 June 2016 07: 54
    +5
    Do you think that railways are a strategically important industry or an unplowed field for investors (to say crooks)? So there everything is fully consistent with what the article says. Alas! And the state of affairs, and the staff, and the salary ... Everyone can perfectly judge this at least by that. that the cost of tickets, say, to Moscow at a distance of 1500-2000 km is higher or comparable to the cost of tickets.
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 6 June 2016 09: 42
      +4
      Quote: netvrz
      Do you think that railways are a strategically important industry or an unplowed field for investors (to say crooks)? So there everything is fully consistent with what the article says. Alas! And the state of affairs, and the staff, and the salary ... Everyone can perfectly judge this at least by that. that the cost of tickets, say, to Moscow at a distance of 1500-2000 km is higher or comparable to the cost of tickets.

      Quote: atalef
      . Rogozin and Co. cut off potential customers from Russian plants. and this is the only thing today. what else was at least somehow competitive in Russian space.
      what's next ? What next . managers will remain. secretaries and motivation management departments

      Quote: 31rus2
      , production seems to be still alive, but in fact it has already died and becomes bankrupt for 2-5 years, then "innovative production" that produces innovative nails is split up or organized. I completely agree with the above opinion, the system is not consistent and no matter how uryakalka shout, we quietly rolling down

      Businessmen, oligarchs, capitalists, who have squandered industry, live well, like deputies, officials, law enforcement officers with judicial officials protecting the asses of those in power.
      Meanwhile, the soul hurts for children who can only work for employers (slave owners) as slaves. There is practically no other job for a slaughtered industry
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 June 2016 12: 24
        -3
        Do not want to work for others - engage in individual entrepreneurship.
  12. ZAV69
    ZAV69 6 June 2016 08: 01
    +11
    Yes, this situation has been much where before. It directly brings to mind the memories of the diamond tool factory from where I quit 17 years ago. Yes, in fact, the connection where I work now is no better. The grassroots link is interrupted from bread to kvass, and the general golden parachute is 108 lyam. And what is going on in the middle ....
    So it looks like this is a SYSTEM problem in Russia. By the way, all sorts of white tape come out of such a management.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 6 June 2016 10: 57
      0
      Quote: ZAV69
      Yes, in fact, the connection where I work now is no better.

      And what is now in connection, I have not been working there for a long time, therefore it is interesting
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      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 6 June 2016 12: 09
        +5
        Quote: sa-ag

        And what is now in connection, I have not been working there for a long time, therefore it is interesting

        In connection with the collapse! RTRS - a terrible amount of papers, departments (without which they worked fine before), low salaries for those who really work with technology, nepotism. And the actions of the Moscow leadership do not lend themselves to a logical explanation at all - as if everything was deliberately done for the collapse! request
      3. ZAV69
        ZAV69 6 June 2016 19: 15
        +3
        Telephony in the pen, the Internet is everything. The staff working with subscribers is reduced to almost 0. Previously, they went to accept everything up to the rent, there were service workers working around the clock, now they are all closed. Networks were reconstructed very strongly, techies were reduced. The whole transport is outsourcing, in some places where there is also operational networks, in those places there is wild capitalism as in the USA of the 19th century, that is, there is no social package and a sweatshirt with non-working hours. Now the fashion has gone to sell everything that is possible and what is impossible, here we sell the building of the workshop. The last collective agreement ..... judging by it, there is no inflation in the country, and even that is not being implemented. Well, in short, like this
  13. Markoni1950
    Markoni1950 6 June 2016 08: 02
    +10
    Not from the outside, so from the inside, but Medvedev will "create" "comfortable living conditions" in the country ... For the entire population ... be sure. "But you hold on" is said for all of us, not only for the Crimeans. And whoever covers him and holds his post bears direct and IMMEDIATE responsibility. From 142 million, only one person was found in the "cage" to manage the farm!
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 6 June 2016 08: 02
    +3
    The author did not discover America, so in all sectors ...
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      6 June 2016 11: 05
      +8
      So, there is a reason to shout in all industries.

      However, not everything is simple and smooth here either. You will instantly become "sold to the West," as at one time someone "seemed to" "sold out" to ukrohunta, Kolomoisky, Avakov and others.

      Without hints, purely a statement.

      But it’s better not to be silent.
  15. alllll
    alllll 6 June 2016 08: 08
    +1
    The problem is that the engines are assembled in KBXA. And who are not going to - they are being tested. Including those produced in Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center. Or am I mistaken, and burn dvigla for "Protons" in the same place, in Fili? Sorry then...

    Engines are tested where they are manufactured at the Proton-PM plant in Perm. I personally hear this hum.
  16. viacheslav77
    viacheslav77 6 June 2016 08: 16
    +4
    This is a typical scenario for any corporation. A director from among the people random for the industry, replacing managers with his people, all have salaries at the level. As a result, we have a reduction in payroll, as a result of a reduction in staff.
  17. troyan
    troyan 6 June 2016 08: 17
    +6
    Normal article. Only exactly the same things are happening not only in the space industry, but also in industry in general.
    If this is not a conscious collapse of industry (or rather its completion, after everything that has already been done to it), then what? Ah, cheers!
  18. Nitarius
    Nitarius 6 June 2016 08: 17
    +8
    the fact that at PENSIONERS and OLD OLDERS is DIGGERLY BACK TO THE INDUSTRIES!
    Example: Father works for grinders in Kuzbass. already over 60. somehow he approached his superiors and said that we should have a couple of students, we are not eternal, but it will take at least 5 years to prepare a replacement.
    What they told him ... there is no money, we will train them to leave. so work ... like without you a lot of worries!
    But really young people come .. but specialists from them are krupinki! The rest doesn’t need anything .. they don’t want to learn or their hands grow from the backside!
    .. For the time being we are eating on frames from the Soviet era .. But it won’t be so long!
    and youth is now VERY illiterate! Technically, I mean!
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 6 June 2016 08: 44
      +2
      Quote: Nitarius
      But really young people come .. but specialists from them are krupinki!

      They do so for Khrunichiv, they come, they work out for some time and dump them for a higher salary, with a dumbbell, they say, he worked for space.
  19. Verdun
    Verdun 6 June 2016 08: 39
    +20
    It got to the point of outright humiliation, when at a weekly meeting, where everyone was invited, at a certain moment the "old guard" was asked to continue working, and the director discussed further plant issues only with his team.
    Alas, at many enterprises - this does not only apply to the space industry - specialists with experience of work during the Soviet era are being ousted. Such people are uncomfortable; they tend to pump rights and have the audacity to express disagreement with their superiors. They interfere with various machinations, because they know the structure of production well. Remembering the once existing eight-hour working day, they do not want to constantly overwork for a healthy life. These people, as a rule, are well educated, which is completely unacceptable, since against their background modern leaders often look incompetent. For the career of "middle managers" such people pose a direct threat. Instead of looking at the bosses with devoted eyes and enthusiastically running on half-bent ones to fulfill the task, these idiots have the audacity to express their opinions. Since the main task of many owners of modern companies is to erase any memory that it is possible to manage science and production in some other way, such workers are the first to be laid off, or even better, they are fired under various pretexts. And you say - space!
    1. Sunseich
      Sunseich 6 June 2016 09: 37
      +6
      fiercely plus!
  20. Jack-b
    Jack-b 6 June 2016 09: 02
    +2
    If it’s good, then I would pack up and write a letter to the Accounts Chamber. Or sketch a petition and collect signatures. A letter to the Accounts Chamber is more reliable. To send by registered mail. They will be required to at least unsubscribe. But here it is necessary for the lawyer to correctly set forth all the arguments. That would not be a simple formal reply.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 6 June 2016 09: 35
      +8
      "Write" ... Yeah. For example, in the city of Novorossiysk, famous for its lack of water supply and Nord-Ostami, at the dawn of the 2000s, a meter for "in-house" metering of water consumption was installed in every house. In every house there are always those who do not pay either for utilities, or for the consumption of electricity and water, etc. or in the apartment where one person is "registered" there are 2-3 families of "refugees" or "Gaster". So in order not to bother with the courts to collect money from such debtors, the "city water utility" and housing and communal services offices quickly lobbied and pushed through the local law, which obliges the rest of the residents to pay this debt. That is, the "consumption" of water by debtors or someone else (leaks in pipes, etc.) is simply broken down by the rest of the residents. Naturally, the "law-abiding" payers, outraged by such "injustice", applied everywhere, even to the "Presidential Administration" and everywhere received the same answer: "There are no violations. Everything is within the framework of the current legislation."
      1. Zomanus
        Zomanus 6 June 2016 10: 29
        0
        It is called ONE. Everything is correct, here it is necessary to act through the GJI and through the district police officer.
        But since it is necessary to act, many prefer to just grumble.
        This is still garbage, an excess coefficient is added to ODN regularly.
        So it will be soon.
        1. Jack-b
          Jack-b 6 June 2016 19: 25
          0
          ONE is a common house need and not a fee for debtors. And the tariff there is the same as for everyone else. It rises as well as the tariff for residents.
      2. Tsoy
        Tsoy 6 June 2016 14: 22
        +3
        faced such garbage last year. I live in a private house, so the bill came to me over the summer in 15 thousands. To the question what the fuck? Send tales. Two blocks from the house a pipe burst through, allegedly 20 cubic meters of water flowed out. And by some miracle, everything that has flowed out should be paid for by the residents of 6 houses. I chose the wrong profession, I had to go to the utilities sector.
        1. Jack-b
          Jack-b 6 June 2016 19: 28
          0
          You can steal in any profession. And if you don’t know how to steal, it doesn’t matter which profession you choose. And 15 thousand for 20 cubes is that you IMHO bend. Let me ask: what is your tariff per cube?
          1. not main
            not main 6 June 2016 23: 56
            0
            Quote: Jack-B
            You can steal in any profession. And if you don’t know how to steal, it doesn’t matter which profession you choose. And 15 thousand for 20 cubes is that you IMHO bend. Let me ask: what is your tariff per cube?

            I won't tell you about the money. But in a city apartment at the "norm" of 300 liters per person, and in a private plot of 10 liters per one hundred square meters of land!
          2. Tsoy
            Tsoy 9 June 2016 05: 24
            0
            11,67 officially ... but the legitimate question why such a sum in the management company accrued not only the water that was spent, but also repair work, emergency replacement of the pipe, and other wonders. Here they obviously ohreneli. Neighbors like me just refused to pay. It was last year, appeals to the administration, the prosecutor's office, and other instances did not work. I just signed a contract to drill my own well, there will be my own water without tariffs.
      3. Jack-b
        Jack-b 6 June 2016 19: 22
        0
        Firstly, I do not see any logical connection between my message and yours. In Novorossiysk sued to invalidate the law?
        Secondly, I strongly suspect that you are talking nonsense. Give references to these laws and give ten against one that you are lying about such a law where everyone must pay for debtors.
      4. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 6 June 2016 21: 48
        0
        moreover, here is the local law, it is all-Russian and Dimon was signed by the president
        1. Jack-b
          Jack-b 7 June 2016 07: 08
          0
          Quote: nov_tech.vrn
          moreover, here is the local law, it is all-Russian and Dimon was signed by the president

          I don’t understand anything. What law are you talking about? And how does this relate to the topic of the article?
  21. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 6 June 2016 09: 03
    +12
    I've seen enough of this "optimization" of production. For example, at the previous place of work, old Soviet equipment and machines were used. Naturally, spare parts were required to keep them running. It was more and more difficult to find them - the "walkers" traveled throughout the country and the CIS in search of what they needed, until they raked out everything that could be found. The "owners" of the enterprise based in Cyprus sucked out all the profits and did not invest anything in the development of production, in the purchase of new equipment. As a result, when production began to collapse due to the banal wear and tear of the production and machine tool park, the "owners" did not invest in the purchase of new equipment, but changed the leadership, putting at the head a team of "effective" managers who were given the task of "finding reserves" to correct the situation ... "Reserves" were quickly found - they fired half of the staff, and the rest were loaded with additional responsibilities for "I can't do the most", without raising salaries. As a result, the people, the one that is more literate, simply began to leave production themselves, unable to withstand such a load. The "leadership" began to hire new personnel - Tajiks, Ubeks, Moldovans, etc. on the principle "three Uzbeks will replace one professional." Naturally, the enterprise soon collapsed completely and was resold to someone there and safely disposed of, under the "logistic" component (fortunately, the territory was vast with a good entrance).
  22. iwakura
    iwakura 6 June 2016 09: 12
    +9
    A familiar picture, they teach effective managers in all sorts of trash heaps like the HSE - to "effectively" manage, and they appoint their own salaries and a bunch of inflated positions.
    All because there is no "Master", so no one controls or asks.
    I work and before that I worked in offices with 100% private property. About three years ago, the owner, imbued with these "strange" ideas, also organized a personnel department as part of a personnel department, a motivation department, a training department, etc. a year later he counted his lost money and dispersed all the nafig - they returned to the personnel department. I'm not talking about the position of "owner's relative" at all - but these are people who organize their own freeloaders.
    and if it is a state enterprise, it turns out that everything is possible. now they grab, and then let them down under bankruptcy, like "well, I didn't shmogla"
    1. iwakura
      iwakura 6 June 2016 09: 14
      0
      please do not pay attention to the patchwork flag, we have the Internet on cards - and forums and other things are generally closed, you have to look for workarounds
  23. Siberia
    Siberia 6 June 2016 09: 23
    +6
    Alas, but such a situation as described in the article at almost any plant and enterprise (in all industries) in our country ... And rightly so, when the "old people" are professionals who work there from the Union, at which, by and large, everyone and they will keep going (cut them down, squeeze them out) and then the khan will soon come to this enterprise (plant). Because those young people who are going to replace them will not be able to replace them ...

    Ps: This is how in our country enterprises that make means of production are killed, which the USA and Europe will only applaud.
  24. Sunseich
    Sunseich 6 June 2016 09: 46
    +19
    kills everything that has at least a minimal relationship to the future of the country!
    Schools, circles ... I’m talking about painful things, since I myself teach in circles.
    And when you are told from the screens of zombies that "children are stupid" - do not believe it !!! I started to study with children in 2001, worked for 5 years, left, because they did not share a penny in the electronics circle.
    This year I started to raise a circle (with the help of members of the forum and private Finnish help).
    On May 30, this school year was closed.
    The other day, I began to analyze the performance of those children (until 2004) and these (2015-2016).
    Yes, the dropout rate is 70% (which I think is the norm).
    BUT! but what I explained a month earlier, we mastered in 2 weeks! Children are smart! just need to give them Good!
    on finances in pedagogical institutions and additional education: all articles are cut in 2 times, and some from year to year are underfunded
    At the same time, the deputy head of the district almost hinted that circles should be paid! they force her in the field. Barely struggled.

    no schools, no circles. The quality of school education is poop, compared to what I remember in the USSR. Children are wildly overwhelmed: there were cases when during class a few guys just turned off for 15 minutes, sitting at a desk. You begin to clarify: SEVEN lessons + sports section. These are grades 8 and 9. At the same time, he is interested, he collects circuits, solders ...
    damn, I want to speak

    and the Country’s margin of time is small! from the strength of 5-8 years! but to prepare teachers who will teach: FROM 12-15 years old !! (I'm talking about tech. specialists)
    1. Pulya
      Pulya 6 June 2016 12: 14
      +2
      Sunseich Your post pleased me.
      At least someone is doing business. Thanks you!!!
      1. Sunseich
        Sunseich 6 June 2016 18: 13
        +1
        I’ve been preparing for this for almost 4 years ... both materially and methodically
  25. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 June 2016 10: 01
    +3
    Outrageous, of course. To the general - 105 thousand. And to all the rest ... Let's compare the funds of the z.p. at the enterprise as a whole, and zp managers. The fact that the mess at KBHA reigns, and for a long time - I was told by many who have been there. And not with this acting he is connected. It seems to me that they are going to convert it, or even close it.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 6 June 2016 11: 01
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      or even close.

      Like the Saratov aircraft factory, why not, they will press on environmental friendliness and so on there
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 June 2016 12: 29
        -1
        The Saratov aircraft factory was closed because there was nothing to do on it - no one bought Yaki.
  26. Mestny
    Mestny 6 June 2016 10: 21
    -14%
    Quote: Todessichel
    Well, yes, there. Why finally write.

    You can write in different ways.
    For example, the author uses the classic throw-in technique - everything is gone, I talked, there is evidence, but I will not show it to you. Mate a lot, you see.
    Well, it's like about the stories of supposedly ukrovoyak about our tanks allegedly burned. I just couldn’t shoot - the battery is dead.
    Everything else written is just written by the "son of an officer of the space forces" about the fact that "everything is not so simple here."
    Here we can, if desired, write such stories - wow.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      6 June 2016 11: 09
      +7
      Dear Sergey!
      "Your opinion means a lot to us," but would you ... follow me?

      The battery I did not sit down. And there is a record. But not about your interest. Throwing - put a minus and went on to entertain their self-esteem.

      Are you all right? I'm happy for you. It is possible that you are just from the galaxy of "effective". Dare, continue to be effective.
  27. Professor
    Professor 6 June 2016 10: 22
    +3
    Interesting article. I learned a lot for myself.
    Recruited staff to the motivation department ...

    Just don't understand what kind of department of such "motivation"? What exactly does he do? How does it increase motivation and why? request
    1. atalef
      atalef 6 June 2016 11: 05
      +10
      Quote: Professor
      Just don't understand what kind of department of such "motivation"? What exactly does he do?

      no money - but you hold on - good luck to you laughing
      1. Professor
        Professor 6 June 2016 11: 08
        0
        Quote: atalef
        no money - but you hold on - good luck to you

        And so every day? laughing Maybe this is the type of foreign troops at the checkpoint and around the perimeter?
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      6 June 2016 11: 11
      +3
      And this really no one knows. In general, he was supposed to be engaged in the calculation of premiums in accordance with the coefficients. But since for the main part the premium part is canceled, then ...

      Probably motivate leadership. For them, the floating part still exists.
      1. atalef
        atalef 6 June 2016 11: 32
        +8
        Quote: Banshee
        Probably motivate the leadership.

  28. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 6 June 2016 10: 22
    +2
    To be honest - you need to look at the effectiveness of the enterprise. If the enterprise is on the budget - then statesmen (there is no other word for it), they want to ditch - they want to give money.

    For example, KBM is now thriving - they live better than 3-4 years ago, and they are recruiting staff. Although the professors there receive less than a hundred per month.

    And a few words about efficiency:
    - Spase X Ilona Mask - 4000 employees, of which 150 are scientific personnel. Since 2002, the company has developed the Falkon (1, 9) family of launch vehicles and spacecraft, version Falcon 9 v1.1 (R), which is a modification of version 1.1, equipped with additional elements that allow the first stage to make a soft controlled landing for its reuse.
    The company produces rocket engines, launch vehicles, spacecraft, avionics and all software in its Hawthorne enterprise.

    The company also developed several rocket engines:
    Kestrel - for the second stage of Falcon 1,
    Merlin - for the first stage Falcon 1 and both stages Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy,
    Draco - shunting engines for the ship Dragon and the second stage of Falcon 9 v1.0,
    SuperDraco - for the emergency rescue system and guided landing of the Dragon V2 ship.
    Also under development is the Raptor engine, which will be used for future flights to Mars.

    Not a single Russian design bureau can boast of such successes in 10-15 years, although they have a large number of scientific and production personnel.
    I believe that if the design bureau for 15 years has not issued a single significant project in metal, then such a design bureau does not make sense to contain it - just as a "repository" of obsolete technologies.
    Well, either the state is so "efficiently" governed that it cannot provide unique design bureaus with adequate tasks.

    The US private space and rocket business, in 7-10 years, will dictate prices for launching cargo in low Earth orbits, having a minimum launch cost, due to reusable first stages. Now is not the time to relax
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 6 June 2016 11: 07
      +1
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      Not a single Russian design bureau can boast of such successes in 10-15 years, although they have a large number of scientific and production personnel.
      I believe that if the design bureau for 15 years has not issued a single significant project in metal, then such a design bureau does not make sense to contain it - just as a "repository" of obsolete technologies.

      The space industry is a rather slowly developing industry, it is impossible to give a new engine to the mountain every 10 years, all of them have already been reproduced before 1991, now they just can upgrade something, the engines flying in the Union for 40 years are quite satisfactory, they took RD-171 for the Angara as a basis, and made of it a new engine, as reduced as possible
      1. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 6 June 2016 12: 11
        +1
        Quote: sa-ag
        The space industry is a rather slowly developing industry, it is impossible to give a new engine to the mountain every 10 years, all of them have already been reproduced before 1991, now they just can upgrade something, the engines flying in the Union for 40 years are quite satisfactory, they took RD-171 for the Angara as a basis, and made of it a new engine, as reduced as possible


        Sorry.
        I fundamentally disagree with this!
        The breakthrough in technologies from A-10 to R-7 was colossal.
        Now the question has rested on the cost of removing kilograms of payload - if it is possible to drastically reduce the cost of launching - this will be another surge in the development of near-Earth space (space tourism, hotels, factories in low-Earth orbits, etc.) and deep space (observatories and research complexes, the assembly of modular space devices in orbit, etc.).
        Americans cheapen launches by reusing carriers. Our - groping a way to increase the specific impulse of thrust.
        I believe that private initiative is much more efficient in spending and implementing economically viable projects.
        An example of "effective management" of state structures in the space industry, we saw on the example of the Vostochny cosmodrome.
        1. lazy
          lazy 6 June 2016 13: 03
          +5
          "The Americans are making launches cheaper by reusable launch vehicles." Well, the shuttle was reusable, but the launches were never cheap. the mask is reusable only for the FIRST stage and it is still worth seeing how much will it cost to maintain and how reusable it will be? How many times has one and the same stage been used for launching into space? in my opinion, not even once
          1. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 6 June 2016 14: 05
            +1
            Quote: lazy
            the mask is reusable only the FIRST step and it is still worth seeing how much will its maintenance cost and how much will it be reusable? how many times did one and the same step have been used to launch it into space? in my opinion more than once


            But be sure - these state "men" do not count money.
            Mask is already flying and even landing - to put a dynamic object on a platform in the ocean is an outstanding achievement.
            If people started to do this, then there is a benefit in reusable first-stage engines - private business does not throw money away.
            Shuttle launches were cheap - you have incorrect information.
            1. lazy
              lazy 7 June 2016 18: 07
              +1
              and how many times did he send into space the same step? while he spends government money. drank dough. tell me a fairy tale with facts about cheap protons in comparison with one-time protons and all the more so with launches by unions. numbers in the studio
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 June 2016 12: 34
        -1
        "The space industry is a rather slow developing industry" - Unfortunately, this is only ours.
  29. Zomanus
    Zomanus 6 June 2016 10: 26
    +6
    Something tryndets continuous ...
    That’s why, in part, when the question of big money came up,
    I went from the factory to build a career in commerce.
    I feel that the means of production are sheer obscene.
    And who will go to work on such production with such a salary?
  30. sw6513
    sw6513 6 June 2016 10: 44
    +1
    Without reading the title of the article there is an answer, time-tested, to give the industry to Chubais and he will quickly correct everything, as elsewhere where he directed
  31. daerick
    daerick 6 June 2016 11: 26
    0
    I would really like to finally wake up the conscience of the leaders of such enterprises !!! If people are not provided with normal livelihoods, in the end, all worthy engineers will leave, because who will work for a penny? Talented engineers will leave their jobs in search of decent wages, inappropriately qualified specialists will be hired in their place, who by and large will not give a damn about production, as a result, the quality of components manufactured for LVs will significantly decrease, which will lead to irreversible human losses in the future, I not to mention the disruption of the implementation of tasks on the launch of spacecraft.
    1. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 6 June 2016 12: 07
      +9
      You are a strange comrade. Our "handlers" from top to bottom, instead of conscience, has long grown horseradish, and you keep calling them. They have a place in Kolyma, cut down the forest, and they rule everything. And all these articles, so chatter in the kitchen, We talked and that was the end of it. When voting again for "Eat Russia" and Solntselikogo, they will vote (and of course, there’s no one else). Patriots are imprisoned, and liberoids are called upon to rule again (Kudrin is everything from the economy, True, with the surrender of the country to the United States, but this is all for nonsense, for the Glavliberal) The main thing is that everyone is good, the liberals steal, the rains bark, the friends rowed the loot, and the people see the spectacles in the form of House 2, well, sometimes a hundred rubles increase, so that the pitchfork is not taken.
  32. bandabas
    bandabas 6 June 2016 11: 57
    +7
    Yes it is all over the country. Young talented menegars rule, the limit of which is "Klondike". They beat off the loot for the owners. And what will happen tomorrow with production, they do not care. But they offer to move to an open field of 1 hectare to the Far East.
  33. cyber
    cyber 6 June 2016 12: 06
    +2
    As a carbon copy https://habrahabr.ru/post/301106/ Features of the distribution of the wage fund in large enterprises of the Russian Federation
  34. Forever so
    Forever so 6 June 2016 12: 33
    +7
    The first stage of the destruction of the enterprise is completed. The effective manager is set up, with his own effective team. The old people will leave, the quality of products will drop sharply, the president will be dissatisfied.
    The second stage will come - the prime lawyer with the team will urgently sell KBHA to foreign partners, and here the Americans will breathe freely, just one iPhone and stupid Russians will make rocket engines that they themselves will bomb. Hawa nagila tovagischi. There was infa that the specialists of the South Design Bureau from the ruins are already launching an American rocket. so that a third option is possible, the KBHA will simply be destroyed as an enterprise so that there are no competitors. business, nothing personal.
  35. sibiryk
    sibiryk 6 June 2016 12: 37
    +6
    Quote: 31rus2
    Dear, unfortunately, this is not only in the space industry, in particular, at the plant about which Roman wrote, they "bring" the director, he his appointees and off they go, the reduction of ITR, hard workers, while unnecessary departments are proliferating with prohibitive salaries, naturally people leave (if there is somewhere), the production seems to be still alive, but in fact it has already died and 2-5 years old becomes bankrupt, then "innovative production" innovative nails. I completely agree with the above opinion, the system is not wealthy and no matter how the fools scream, we are slowly rolling to the bottom

    Unfortunately, even nails are now being released in China)))
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 June 2016 15: 38
      -1
      Only one way out - private enterprises for the production of technological products.
      1. Sunseich
        Sunseich 6 June 2016 18: 21
        +1
        Do you know the interest on loans for enterprises? ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 June 2016 20: 03
          +1
          I no longer take loans for my production for about 6 years - in view of the uselessness.
  36. serverny
    serverny 6 June 2016 13: 03
    +5
    Quote: Vadim237
    SpaceX is an excellent indicator of the development of private space

    SpaceX is the same "private space" as Boeing with Lockheedmartin. Direct infusions of billions from the state budget bypass tenders and competitions, because "National security".
    1. atalef
      atalef 6 June 2016 14: 32
      -2
      Quote: serverny
      Quote: Vadim237
      SpaceX is an excellent indicator of the development of private space

      SpaceX is the same "private space" as Boeing with Lockheedmartin. Direct infusions of billions from the state budget bypass tenders and competitions, because "National security".

      is there evidence? Or as always OBS?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 June 2016 15: 53
      +1
      Anyway, who and how invests in SpaceX - the guys show their work in practice, and not in words and pieces of paper like our Roskosmos.
  37. Signaller
    Signaller 6 June 2016 14: 23
    0
    Personally, it seems to me that we need to create institutions of power independent of the country's leadership. Like Today, Putin and I adopted one program for space exploration, tomorrow Dyumin will come (exaggerated) and everything will turn back 180 degrees. You can’t work like that. Especially in a very long term. Therefore, these announced costs should be out of the budget. Or should be a priori-protected. In the meantime ..... today one gentleman has come-WANT- Tomorrow another gentleman will come-DO NOT WANT. And Where science, production go ???? . That's why nothing is developing. Only what can be mastered during the reign of one gentleman. We leave the rest to the next. And whether the new managers will hire us is also not a fact. That's how we live. From deadline to deadline.
  38. AlexSam
    AlexSam 6 June 2016 15: 32
    +1
    I read and fucked ... some and ** people manage for a hundred a month, others and ** people collect and test for 16 a month, and everything rests on a dozen or two people ... and then flies half the world on all this .. .. our state in general for what? Does anyone really think that Rogozin himself does not know and does not suspect about this? how sometimes you want to go back to the Union, if only not to see the unscrupulous well-fed and arrogant faces of directors, founders, owners, advisers, heads, deputies ...
  39. JonnyT
    JonnyT 6 June 2016 15: 56
    0
    there is no limit to my indignation. And what should we do ??????

    If you start pumping your license, you will be immediately in the fifth column and the agents of the State Department will write it down. Trying to change something by force - into terrorists. It is very convenient to produce "patriots" from the population. But this situation is everywhere, except for profitable enterprises. What is not an attempt to restore the plant - optimization, modernization is now synonymous - sawing, theft, sabotage and sabotage.

    The integration of Soviet planned enterprises into a market economy has failed.
    But the lovers and friends of the powerful live perfectly. One hope for sanctions if security forces continue to be cheburashki. Let’s include more names in the lists, so that there wouldn’t be them the opportunity to squander millions of people's money in the Maldives. To make it more difficult to withdraw national capital abroad.
  40. Anton56
    Anton56 6 June 2016 18: 23
    +1
    He did not work at defense enterprises. But on the usual a very similar picture is observed. While the old Soviet specialists are working, they love their job, they are used to it, they do not demand much. They, whatever one may say, have a pension, length of service and while they are kept. But young people from factories are "washed out" by categorically uncompetitive working conditions. Why should I work as an engineer at a factory for 12 thousand clean, if a private owner in the same city will pay 20-25?
  41. Buffet
    Buffet 6 June 2016 19: 46
    +4
    I read an article with an open mouth, because we have at work almost the same. Word for word. Unless the borders were painted and the grass was not mowed. We are engaged in electronic warfare, but I can’t say more because of circumstances. Serdyukov came to us (the same one) ate under the stars of science and left, or rather flew away, back to Moscow ... and the mess was gone. And also in September-November there will be reductions, and the same problems with personnel ...
  42. smershxnumx
    smershxnumx 6 June 2016 20: 57
    +1
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Quote: An60
    Everything is lost???

    Yes! and we will all die! lol But seriously, apparently in the "sharashkas", there was no "mess" before, such a backlog was left by our fathers and grandfathers that we are still going out at their expense. and in the current "mess", I still think our liberal system is to blame, impunity, the understanding that now is not the 37th year, and "we are not giving up our own." in general, the thought comes that without a "magic pendel", the situation cannot be corrected, and instead of saying like: "are you crazy over there," the GDP will finally hit the table with its fist, and really cool it. ..

    Eprst! Well, straight "Zadornov"! "Some-kakers" (ie managers) in action! And, the worst and most offensive - not only there !!!! In fact, they have only one thing in their heads - to cut the dough - and then - even a flood !!! And this is a disaster !!! IMHO.
  43. Alfer
    Alfer 7 June 2016 07: 00
    +4
    I read the answers to the article. So much from the patriots of bile. But the person described the reality. Without inventing anything. I’ll add from myself. In Moscow, at the Avangard plant (Almaz-Antey concern) everything is about the same. Those who are closer to the feeder made it so that they are invaluable and brainless under the contract. And they get very significant amounts under the contract. For example, the former director, and now it’s not clear what adviser to the current one. According to the contract, 450 thousand a month. .I'm an installer of 6 category 60 thousand a month. For some with processing and Saturdays up to a hundred comes out. And that's it. And it's like in personnel policy. They’re gaining from Gremyachy. It’s not clear who. Here comes the limit. I am not against visitors. But if he knows work. And it’s not like that. They take someone who gets there. Young people come. They have 25 thousand salaries. They run away right away. Chekharda is complete in one word. But I’ve written and described this at the top of our ranks. natures and described reality. And please. Ura-patriots, do not write to me all nasty things. You can in order to calm the nervous system out, Ukrainians to troll for example.
    1. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 7 June 2016 17: 53
      0
      And what, 60, and with refining 100 thousand installer is not enough? ..
      1. Alfer
        Alfer 8 June 2016 01: 17
        0
        Is there not much 450 thousand to the director’s adviser?
  44. Sunseich
    Sunseich 7 June 2016 08: 25
    +1
    unfortunately, patriotism is the easiest to justify
    I am too sick of this. It seems to have become more adequate))
    What I wish to everyone
  45. Raffaelx
    Raffaelx 7 June 2016 09: 49
    +2
    TO THE AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE: WHY DO NOT WRITE ALL THIS WANTED AT THE RESOURCE OF KREMLIN.RU
  46. DPN
    DPN 7 June 2016 14: 48
    +2
    We got to you late, it all started with the collapse of a country called the USSR, for which neither YOU nor WE stood up for it, at the moment we are tasting the fruits of our indifference, we got what we wanted or allowed ourselves. We got capitalism with a human FACE,
  47. su163
    su163 7 June 2016 18: 13
    +1
    At the Samara TsSKB Progress (unions and satellites) the situation is similar. Kozlov died a long time ago (an associate of SP Korolev). The TsSKB (Cosmos Resource series satellites and other scouts) were attached to Progress (Duks factory No. 1), which produced the famous sevens now alliances. And the curve started. At all the initial places, thieves (from relatives to newcomers to the Vikings), the ZP is also not a fountain within 15-25 tons of river (working foreman foreman). The head of the workshop is already 120 tons. Higher still higher. TsSKB Energy (branch) even earlier tearing apart and dismissed specialists. Nearby, Aviakor (Voronezh Plant No. 18, shown in the movie Particular mission IL-2) suffocates without orders and sells its assets. When I was in the early 80s, they collected up to 12 Tu-95s and up to 20 Tu-154s a year. Now one carcass is for repair.
  48. cedar
    cedar 7 June 2016 19: 08
    0
    No one stopped the competitive wars.
    Conducted and ongoing. As a competitor removed the USSR,
    Now they are cleaning Russia by all means.
    See the root!

    "The war will end, everything will settle down and settle down. And we will abandon everything that
    we have: all gold, all material power and fooling and fooling people!
    The human brain, the minds of people are capable of change. Sowing there
    chaos, we discreetly replace their values ​​with false ones and force them into these false ones
    values ​​to believe. How? We will find our like-minded people, our allies in
    Russia itself.
    Episode by episode will be played out
    a tremendous tragedy of the death of the most rebellious people on earth,
    the final and irreversible fading of his identity. For example, from
    art and literature, we will gradually etch its social essence; wean
    artists and writers - we will discourage them from engaging in image and research
    those processes that occur in the depths of the masses. Literature, theaters, cinema -
    everything will depict and glorify the most base human
    feelings.
    We will support and raise in every way
    called artists who will plant and hammer into the human
    consciousness cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal - in a word, any
    Immorality. In government, we will create chaos and confusion.
    We will be unnoticed but actively and constantly contribute to tyranny
    officials
    prosperity of bribe takers and unscrupulousness. Red tape and red tape will
    be elevated to virtue. Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and no one
    will become needed, will become a relic of the past.
    Rudeness and arrogance, lies and
    deception, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shamelessness,
    betrayal, nationalism and enmity of peoples - primarily enmity and hatred of
    to the Russian people - we will cultivate all this cleverly and imperceptibly, all this
    will bloom in terry color.
    And only a few, very few will
    to guess or even understand what is happening. But we will put such people in
    helpless position, turn into a laughing stock, find a way to slander them and declare
    the dregs of society. We will dig up spiritual roots, vulgarize and destroy
    foundations of folk morality.
    We will loosen like that
    generation after generation. We will take on people from childhood, youth, and
    we’ll always make the main bet ON YOUTH - we’ll start to decompose,
    to corrupt and corrupt her. We will make cynics, vulgarities and
    cosmopolitans.
    This is how we do it! "
    A. Dulles, Director of the CIA, 1953-1961. Ideologist
    Cold War
  49. Belousov
    Belousov 8 June 2016 11: 57
    -1
    Everywhere is devastation, everything is stolen, but this is another HPP, right? Where are the uryakalka? Or will you continue to instill in everyone that "the tsar is good, these are bad boyars"?
  50. kirpich
    kirpich 8 June 2016 16: 47
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    How to kill the Russian space program.

    Elementary. It is necessary to lead it, and if it is not appointed as the head of the program - to destroy it, as not promising. And then, as historically - "After us, even a flood."
    P.S. A huge plus article.