The construction of 2 patrol ships will begin at the Admiralty Shipyards

"Admiralty Shipyards" in the fall will begin the construction of 2-x of the latest ice-class patrol ships, reports RIA News the message of the general director of the enterprise Alexander Buzakov.

“We are currently designing. Construction (will begin) approximately in 4 of the month, on the arrival of the metal ",

said the general director, specifying that "ships must be handed over to the customer before the end of 2020 g."

Earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Defense issued a contract to the Admiralty Shipyards for the construction of 2-s ships of the 23550 project in the interests of the Russian Navy.

As noted at the company, “the 23550 ice class patrol ship is a fundamentally new vessel combining the qualities of a tugboat, icebreaker and patrol ship.”

According to the experts, “the vessel can sail in the tropics and arctic waters, overcoming ice up to 1,5 meters thick”.

The set of characteristics of the ship has no analogues in the world.

Comments

[poquello]

The set of characteristics of the ship has no analogues in the world.

waiting for characteristics

[Wiruz]

As I understand it, patrolmen of pr.22160 will no longer build for the Northern Fleet? Right, no reason. The combat capabilities of these two ships are almost equal, only pr.23550 and the patrol officer, and the icebreaker, and the tugboat all rolled into one. Yes, and imprisoned under harsh conditions.

[Knight Rider]

Quote: Wiruz

As I understand it, patrolmen of pr.22160 will no longer build for the Northern Fleet? Right, no reason. The combat capabilities of these two ships are almost equal, only pr.23550 and the patrol officer, and the icebreaker, and the tugboat all rolled into one. Yes, and imprisoned under harsh conditions.

23550 is much larger

[Wiruz]

23550 is much larger

I was not talking about mass, but about the composition of weapons, about the autonomy and range of the ship.

[Victor_1]

Build and will continue to build. Do not walk icebreakers in the Black Sea. 22160 has other tasks. Same as 22800.

[Alex_Rarog]

I agree smartly get three different classes in one case!

[APASUS]

Quote: poquello

waiting for characteristics

It should be a photo, only need to increase

[weksha50]

Quote: APASUS

It should be a photo, only need to increase

Confuses the characteristics of the engines ... What, again, not ours ??? Or have I poorly reviewed - the font is very small ???

[APASUS]

Quote: weksha50

Quote: APASUS

It should be a photo, only need to increase

Confuses the characteristics of the engines ... What, again, not ours ??? Or have I poorly reviewed - the font is very small ???

The font there is beautifully expanding.
It is not known who will supply the propellers, although Zvezdochka has already announced the start of production of DRK-1200 propellers. There are a lot of companies producing propellers in the world, for example, Steerprop Ltd. or the same SCHOTTEL. For example, if the Germans from SCHOTTEL can balk, then they have a joint venture production in Suzhou (China)

[Inok10]

Quote: poquello

The set of characteristics of the ship has no analogues in the world.

waiting for characteristics

... voiced such:
Displacement: about 6800 t.
length - 114 m, width - 18 m, draft 6 m.
Maximum travel speed: around 18 nodes
Cruising range: about 6000 miles.
Autonomy: 60 days.
Crew: 49 people + 47 extra.
The vessel has the ice class Arc6 and is capable of breaking ice up to 1.5 meters thick.
The vessel is capable of carrying 2 patrol boats of Project 03160 Raptor.
The ship has a runway and a hangar for a helicopter.
The armament of the patrol vessel consists of a 100-mm gun mount A190-01 “Universal”.
Two full-rotary Azipod-type throttle and thrusters provide the vessel with good maneuverability. To carry out loading and unloading and rescue operations, the vessel has two cargo cranes (2x28 tons) and a towing device (with a pulling force of at least 80 tons), a Ka-27 helicopter ...
P.S. ... ahead of the bug APASUS + ...

[family tree]

Actually, the ice class, this is Pomeranian Kochi, take as a basis and do for small

[Orionvit]

The speed of 18 knots is not enough, at least 25, it would be normal.

[APASUS]

Quote: Inok10

P.S. ... ahead of the beetle APASUS + ...

Well, I’m also a bug ........ thank you for not being called a poop

[Tersky]

Quote: poquello

waiting for characteristics

Michurin once noted that you do not have to wait for mercy from nature .... The performance characteristics of these ships are in the public domain Wike

[poquello]

Quote: Tersky

Quote: poquello

waiting for characteristics

Michurin once noticed that you do not have to wait for mercy from nature .... The performance characteristics of these ships are freely available on ...

Well, yes, well, as it were

“Currently, the design is underway ...

[Michael67]

It should be nuclear.
Otherwise, it will not trample on the ice.
And then you can count on speed.
A 02 pcs. just for now - probably due to the fact that vigorous are planned.
For expensive.

[Banishing liberoids]

Will there be two? There should be at least five of them at worst. Or two - this is just the beginning - will check how they will show themselves in the sea, and then, taking into account all the identified "diseases" and still build?

[Wiruz]

We have ordered two so far. How many of them will be in the future is not known.

[LÄRZ]

Deputy Admiral Alexander Fedotenkov, Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, said that the laying of new corvettes for the 20380 project is planned for this year. This year, the laying of 15 ships and vessels is planned. “Among them is the laying of two more small missile ships 22800, corvettes of the 20380 project, patrol ships of 22160 and a fundamentally new ice-class patrol ship of the 23550 project, combining the qualities of a tugboat, an icebreaker and a patrol vessel,” he listed. At the same time, Fedotenkov did not specify the place and date of the bookmarks. Also at the Admiralty Shipyards, the construction of the new generation icebreaker Ilya Muromets will continue. TASS Source: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/23550-patrol-ship/ MTC "BASTION" AVKarpenko

Hmm, the plans are "huge". Is the funding normal expected?

[Mavrikiy]

"According to experts," the ship can navigate in the tropics and arctic waters, breaking ice up to 1,5 meters thick "

This reminds me: "Baba is good, even as a prostitute, even if married, just buy it." Gentlemen, I'll ask you more seriously.

[Wiruz]

In "I will ask" the second vowel - "o"

And what doesn’t suit you? Do you know a lot of ships that can go to the seas at -50 and at +50?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Wiruz

You know a lot of ships that can go both at -50 and at +50 by sea

It’s not possible to build something, but I think that they will only go to the north. The point of driving an icebreaker to the tropics? I think about +50 it's just talking.

[31rus2]

Dear, you are wrong, did you forget Antarctica? It was the Russian icebreaker that saved the ship, I don’t remember which country it was sandwiched in Antarctica and it was going there through the tropics, the world is small and it is not known what will happen tomorrow

[poquello]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: Wiruz

You know a lot of ships that can go both at -50 and at +50 by sea

It’s not possible to build something, but I think that they will only go to the north. The point of driving an icebreaker to the tropics? I think about +50 it's just talking.

here it’s just an interesting question, the icebreaker then has a certain balance in the hull to crawl onto the ice, maybe the equipment was laid out so that the specialization turned out to be natural

[spravochnik]

This reminds me: "Baba is good, even as a prostitute, even if married, just buy it." Gentlemen, I'll ask you more seriously.

And you can be more literate. So many mistakes in two simple sentences.

[nrex]

The most pleasant words: "In terms of the totality of its characteristics, the ship has no analogues in the world." If we do, then only the best in the world !!!

[Wiruz]

I wouldn’t be so optimistic, our journalists are inserting this whole phrase. Not so long ago, on the Star there was a report from the tests of one of pr.11356, so it turns out that Calm-1 also "has no analogues in the world"

[Knight Rider]

Quote: nrex

The most pleasant words: "In terms of the totality of its characteristics, the ship has no analogues in the world." If we do, then only the best in the world !!!

Do not believe the reporters!

[Wiruz]

I don’t understand: why the hell are we constantly depicting Club-K complexes on many of our ships? And so with the States we are constantly exchanging mutual accusations of violating the agreement on the liquidation of the INF Treaty, and here we are once again demonstrating that Club-K not only exists, but is also in service.

Wouldn’t it be easier to just plug in the UKKS module?

[Maxom75]

Are Club-K ballistic missiles? in my opinion it’s winged, but there are no restrictions on them.

[Wiruz]

Are Club-K ballistic missiles? in my opinion it’s winged, but there are no restrictions on them.

You are mistaken, as it is. The restrictions apply to both ballistic and cruise missiles with a range of less than 5500 km.

[Maxom75]

Does the USA have long-range cruise missiles? And remind Tomahawk range? The United States has the most missiles and the longest flight range of 2500km. So what will the USA say there?

[Wiruz]

Does the USA have long-range cruise missiles? And remind Tomahawk range? The United States has the most missiles and the longest flight range of 2500km. So what will the USA say there?

It has long been suggested that moderators introduce mandatory registration of each new user when registering on the site for knowledge of the INF Treaty. Then you can take notes:

According to the agreement on the elimination of short and medium-range missiles, Russia and the United States undertake to withdraw from armament and no longer produce land-based short and medium-range missiles

You can read the last two words several times. That is, the Tomahawks, Caliber, Skalp-Naval, and other cruise missiles of air, surface and underwater basing do not fall under the ban.
But here is one "but" with which I started. Russia has already made it clear more than once that the Club-K complexes (I do not know the non-export name) are not only produced, but may also be in service with us. If such a container is on the deck of a warship, then there are no problems, but the very fact that similar containers "with filling" can stand both on land and in ports, and a hundred kilometers from the White House, all this is a great opportunity for our "partners" accuse us of violating the INF Treaty (which we are so brazenly violating ).

[Maxom75]

and where does the container and patrol ship? It seems that he has the function of a non-transport ship, or am I mistaken? And as far as I understand, the missiles will be based in its deck installations, so they are sea-based missiles and we are not violating the treaty. I know the contract, I read and I also know about the clause on basing. Just do not understand what the problem is? Put the containers on the old barges and take them out for a joke in the Volga delta, Don estuaries and here you have sea-based installations. And we believe such barges as mushrooms.

[Wiruz]

Michael, either I am explaining incorrectly, or you are paying the wrong attention. Read my last paragraph again. If we install Club-K complexes on ships, then they are accepted for service, then we use 99% of the pounds on land, so we violate the INF Treaty.

Chet, I'm tired of explaining ....

[stoker]

Quote: Wiruz

... Chet, I'm tired of explaining ....

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"... The complex can be used from ground launch sites, sea, railway and automobile platforms. Anti-ship missiles (3M-54KE, 3M-54KE1, Kh-35UE) and missiles to destroy ground targets (3M-14KE, Kh- 35UE) ... "
The range of these missiles is up to 300 km.
What bothers you so much?

[Wiruz]

What bothers you so much?

Drop in Wikipedia less often. 300 km is the maximum range of export missiles

[stoker]

Quote: Wiruz

What bothers you so much?

Drop in Wikipedia less often. 300 km is the maximum range of export missiles

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This is official open data. I quoted Wikipedia, but they are also available on other, quite official sites.
For example, here:
http://topwar.ru/18852-raketnyy-kompleks-club-k-kritika-i-perspektivy.html.
Or here:
http://army-news.ru/2011/10/kontejnernyj-raketnyj-kompleks-klab-k/
Do you have anything to object to, essentially?
And let's agree right away - no "advice" in this form. I will decide for myself where and how often I "look".

[Wiruz]

Yes, this is officially open data, but for export missiles 3M54E, 3M54E1 and 3M14E. They - yes, they do not fly further than 300 km. But non-export Gauges 3M14, just those that were shot at ISIS, have a flight range of about 1600-2600 km. And nothing prevents us from placing them in containers as well. More precisely, it hinders - the INF Treaty. It was from this that I began my discussion

[stoker]

Quote: Wiruz

Yes, this is officially open data, but for export missiles 3M54E, 3M54E1 and 3M14E. They - yes, they do not fly further than 300 km. But non-export Gauges 3M14, just those that were shot at ISIS, have a flight range of about 1600-2600 km. And nothing prevents us from placing them in containers as well. More precisely, it hinders - the INF Treaty. It was from this that I began my discussion

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You have some strange argument. KR "Tomahawk" has a range of 2500 km. Its length is less than 7m. "... And nothing prevents them from placing them in containers as well ..." In 40-foot containers.
So what?

[Wiruz]

You have some strange argument. KR "Tomahawk" has a range of 2500 km. Its length is less than 7m. "... And nothing prevents them from placing them in containers as well ..." In 40-foot containers.
So what?

Have you heard anything about the American strike missile system disguised as a regular sea container? Me not.

[stoker]

Quote: Wiruz

You have some strange argument. KR "Tomahawk" has a range of 2500 km. Its length is less than 7m. "... And nothing prevents them from placing them in containers as well ..." In 40-foot containers.
So what?

Have you heard anything about the American strike missile system disguised as a regular sea container? Me not.

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Me neither. Have you heard about real launches of Russian cruise missiles with the help of "Club K" with a flight range of over 500 km? Me not.

[Wiruz]

Me neither. Have you heard about real launches of Russian cruise missiles with the help of "Club K" with a flight range of over 500 km? Me not.

Why hear about them? The very fact that Russia is armed with the Club-K with Caliber missiles is already a reason to accuse it of violating the INF Treaty. Or are our "partners" so naive and will believe that we only put Club-K on ships?

Or do you think that those 8-meter calibers with which they fired at ISIS will not fit into such a container? So the "partners" have nothing to worry about?

[stoker]

[/ Quote]
... And why hear about them? ... [/ quote]
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Good answer.
But in the text of the INF Treaty, the knowledge of which is the subject of your undisguised pride, there is not a word about sea containers. Neither about 20, nor about 40, nor even about 45 feet. Generally, not about any else. Therefore, the presence of a launch complex in Russia mounted inside such a container cannot contradict this Treaty.
As for the worries and worries of "your partners" - I can not help you. I'm not a psychologist or a sex therapist. Maybe they have age-related erectile dysfunction and therefore a pessimistic view of the world.

[Wiruz]

I say again, the fact that we put the club-k on the ships (which is not prohibited by the contract), gives reason to assume that we put them and not on the ships. Who knows, maybe seaports around the world are teeming with such surprises ...

[Wiruz]

I say again, the fact that we put the club-k on the ships (which is not prohibited by the contract), gives reason to assume that we put them and not on the ships. Who knows, maybe seaports around the world are teeming with such surprises ...

[Bochik]

You are mistaken, as it is. The restrictions apply to both ballistic and cruise missiles with a range of less than 5500 km.

But not sea-based ...

[megafair]

“Project 23550 ice class patrol ship is a fundamentally new vessel, combining the qualities of a tugboat, icebreaker and patrol ship”

- Hello to all those who consider the Russian Federation a "regional power";) We have only 0 pind5s, we have 37 icebreakers of various classes, 8 more are planned, these are icebreakers, and plus such marvelous multifunctional ships!
http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/37821

[Wiruz]

Hmmm ... Not that I was from the "pro-Western camp" ... Icebreakers are cool! But let's count other ships too! How many aircraft carriers, destroyers, UDC, BDK, frigates, nuclear submarines do we have? And at the "pindos" And now let's compare the average age of our and "theirs" ships! Plus, if the forces remain, let's compare the combat capabilities ...

Of course, calling our country a "regional power" is stupid, but it would be even more stupid to call it a "great sea / ocean power".

Although, it’s purely in the Arctic waters, we have more advantages than the United States

PS And now, I’m waiting for your stinging sub-flag about my flag

[LÄRZ]

Quote: Wiruz

. And now, I’m waiting for your stinging sub-flagging about my flag.

Hello, Romanian-Kazakh American! Are you still wandering around the world?

[Wiruz]

Hello, Romanian-Kazakh American! Are you still wandering around the world?

Good day! Since it’s already impossible to travel, I rejoice for myself as virtual. Fortunately, the provider allows.

[vanavatny]

hi Pavlodar Bestuzhev street, house 14, apartment 172

[Wiruz]

Bestuzhev street, house 14, apartment 172

Yes, that's all. Got it I won’t talk about politics on the phone anymore

[megafair]

Quote: Wiruz

PS And now, I’m waiting for your stinging sub-flag about my flag

Hehe, hold:

Quote: Klitschko

He painted himself in those colors in which he painted himself

[Donlomakin]

When the division of the Arctic begins, they will not be superfluous.

[weksha50]

Quote: Donlomakin

When the sharing of the Arctic, they will not be superfluous.

The sharing, in fact, has long been going on ...

But Russia, thank God, has good powers in the Arctic and is building up them ...

[BOB044]

Let's wait and see what happens. I hope that it really will be "unparalleled in the world.

[Kulneff2009]

Good news! But two, it’s still not enough.

[ty60]

This is the first pancake. In the process of trial operation, improvements are inevitable. After a larger batch.

[masiya]

Oh, sorry for the years ... after all, it did not work out to get into the naval school, my eyesight pumped up, but I graduated from the naval department of the Polytechnic University with honors, the head of the department himself, caperang alone persuaded him to enter the active fleet in the early eighties, to a submarine in the North, but to a boat didn’t go, maybe it’s right there "Kursk" and further down the list ... And now it would be like returning everything so maybe it was necessary ..., new ships are new trends .. only youth cannot be returned ...

[Igor V]

And the food is a dovetail.

[VladimS]

Quote: Wiruz

I would not be so optimistic, our magazines ...

So you are not an optimist. And clearly demonstrate it here! Peace, friendship, kvass!

[Wiruz]

Better to be a young pessimist than an old optimist

[Altona]

Quote: Wiruz

Better to be a young pessimist

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Well, you yourself wrote nonsense. You yourself understood what? Youth is not a time to lose heart and pick sores. You doubt it, throw a nafig and find a more suitable business. Than to sit and drive yourself into a depra.

[Wiruz]

Well, you yourself wrote nonsense. You yourself understood what? Youth is not a time to lose heart and pick sores. You doubt it, throw a nafig and find a more suitable business. Than to sit and drive yourself into a depra.

I'm too sober to argue about pessimism and skepticism coming with age

[Altona]

Smaller than Zumwalt, but no worse ...

[Wiruz]

It’s like Marshal already, it’s not the first year on the site ... And they wrote such a cheap and stupid comment that even I was ashamed of you

[Altona]

Quote: Wiruz

And they wrote such a cheap and stupid comment that even I felt ashamed of you

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I wrote what I think. Your comments are absolutely useless to me ...

[gispanec]

[quote = Altona] Less than Zumwalt, but no worse .. [/ quote
is it worse than that ?? .. strike weapons? ... or seaworthiness? ... how can one compare the little finger and pipisku ?? ... t-34 and merkavu3 ??? that 134 and fu-22 ???
[quote = Altona] I wrote what I think [/ quote]
it is strange that you succeed ....

[Altona]

[quote = gispanec] [quote = Altona] Less than Zumwalt, but no worse .. [/ quote
is it worse than that ?? .. strike weapons? ... or seaworthiness? ... how can one compare the little finger and pipisku ?? ... t-34 and merkavu3 ??? that 134 and fu-22 ???
[quote = Altona] I wrote what I think [/ quote]
it is strange that you succeed .... [/ quote]
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And you so sensible came and decided to be smart to the heap, to remember. How do you manage? You manage to shit in the morning. Isn't it worse? The spinner is standing, the gunners are the same, the speed is worse (18 versus 30), but the ice is bad. In general, this is a carrier that you put in will be, and a missile container too. There is such a concept - "open architecture" is called. But you and the Virus have brains wandering in Kazakhstan, in the Chuy valley area.

[Wiruz]

The spinner is standing, the gunners are the same, the speed is worse (18 versus 30), but the ice is bad. In general, this is a carrier that you put in will be, and a missile container too. There is such a concept - "open architecture" is called. But you and the Virus have brains wandering around in Kazakhstan, in the Chui Valley area.

Zamvolt (although I don’t like him, even though he is handsome) has 80 cells of VPU under Tomahawks, PLURs, missile launchers, in the long run and RCC; we have a place for two containers, which gives us 8 Caliber. Although following your logic, with such containers you can force the entire deck.

Zamvolt has two artillery installations 155mm and two 57mm (I don’t know about the latter). His artillery is capable of beating, if I am not mistaken, at a distance of 80-120 km; our handsome man has nothing but one gun, either 76mm or 100mm.

About how powerful at the American ship HAK and radar I can not say anything. But obviously, they did not spare the money for the electronics of such a ship. As for the composition of the HOOK and radar of our ship, nothing is known.

Well and just, without going into details, Zamvolt is a 14-kilot strike destroyer, whose task is to deliver powerful attacks on coastal / naval targets, both with missile and artillery weapons. Our handsome man, as was rightly noted, is just a patrol ship, with the capabilities of an icebreaker, a tugboat, and it can shoot a few missiles.

We here, in the Chuy Valley, may smoke from morning to night, but even drug addicts didn’t even think of COMPARING THESE SHIPS BECAUSE, since they are representatives of completely different classes, and even more so, to say that our patrolman is no worse than them destroyer. So, Altona, admit why you're so pinched? What do you use?

[gispanec]

Quote: Altona

And you so sensible came and decided to be smart to the heap, to remember. How do you manage? You manage to take a shit in the morning. Isn't it worse? The spinner is standing, the gunners are the same, the speed is worse (18 versus 30), but the ice is bad. In general, this is a carrier that you put in will be, and a missile container too. There is such a concept - "open architecture

put 30 containers with a club on a lighter carrier ... place a D30 cannon on the nose .... on the sides of the marines with the Pechenegs .. = superwunder wafer cruiser ??

Quote: Altona

But you and Virus have brains in Kazakhstan, in the Chui Valley region.

with the virus, I also have different views on the development of our Navy .... but it is simply adequate and does not fast senility ...

[megafair]

Quote: Wiruz

Here it’s like Marshal already, it’s not the first year on the site ...

Explain in what way the fact that you are a "marshal" in toy shoulder straps awarded according to the ... system - makes your speculations valuable?

Your shoulder strapsbased on your comments, prove only the imperfection of the rating system on this site, and that - that a significant part of people - understand that they like - like a housewife in politics;)

[Sergey333]

Soon the entire fleet will consist only of patrol ships, tugboats and boats. They load factories that can build large ships with all kinds of garbage. Such a trifle can be built at the Volga shipyards.

[Igor V]

They would be ashamed to call a trifle a ship with a displacement of 6800 tons. Moreover, an icebreaker.

[Yak28]

Quote: nrex

The most pleasant words: "In terms of the totality of its characteristics, the ship has no analogues in the world." If we do, then only the best in the world !!!

And we say so about all the equipment on TV, our tanks have no analogues in the world, planes have no analogues in the world, helicopters have no analogues in the world, and so on, in the United States in the 90s they brought a bunch of Soviet equipment from the countries of the Warsaw Pact, and a lot of interesting things were bought and stolen in Russia. I personally do not believe that our equipment is so perfect and ahead of foreign analogues.
Already in what, and in the construction of floating facilities, the United States is far ahead.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Yak28

And we say so about all the equipment on TV they say that our tanks have no analogues in the world, airplanes have no analogues in the world, helicopters have no analogues in the world, and so on

- a new generation of journalist .. victims of the exam ... forgive them, they just do not know how to. Because the words of others do not know

[3officer]

The screaming gnome from "Military Acceptance" is a typical representative of this subspecies.

[poquello]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Quote: Yak28

And we say so about all the equipment on TV they say that our tanks have no analogues in the world, airplanes have no analogues in the world, helicopters have no analogues in the world, and so on

- a new generation of journalist .. victims of the exam ... forgive them, they just do not know how to. Because the words of others do not know

Do you also think that the USA is ahead of us in icebreakers?

[Cat man null]

Quote: poquello

Quote: Cat Man Null

Quote: Yak28

And we say so about all the equipment on TV they say that our tanks have no analogues in the world, airplanes have no analogues in the world, helicopters have no analogues in the world, and so on

- a new generation of journalist .. victims of the exam ... forgive them, they just do not know how to. Because the words of others do not know

Do you also think that the USA is ahead of us in icebreakers?

- Nope .. but what, it is necessary to consider so?
- in general - it’s not my topic at all, but as far as sclerosis doesn’t change me, the Amerts have an icebreaking fleet .. in its infancy
- I didn’t climb into Google, therefore - I can be a little mistaken ..

[poquello]

Do you also think that the USA is ahead of us in icebreakers?

Quote: Cat Man Null

- Nope .. but what, it is necessary to consider so?

My apologies, I did not notice the lack of communication with the above post

Quote: Yak28

Already in what, and in the construction of floating facilities, the United States is far ahead.

[Galleon]

If such an armament is one weapon, then this is really only a patrol ship. Although the dimensions are impressive, without irony.
Accordingly, there is no large armament - a small crew, and the catering stuffed with gud will be eaten for 2 months . With such increased autonomy, perhaps 2 steamers will really be enough for one decent area, like from the ZPI to Novaya Zemlya ...

[3officer]

Yes! large provisions in the ice will sometimes be more important than the "Calibers" ..

[gladysheff2010]

Quote: Wiruz

Are Club-K ballistic missiles? in my opinion it’s winged, but there are no restrictions on them.

You are mistaken, as it is. The restrictions apply to both ballistic and cruise missiles with a range of less than 5500 km.

You are mistaken, sir. Limitations under the INF Treaty do not affect sea basing, only land!

[Wiruz]

I know that very well. But the point was that Club-K is on the ship, which, with the help of a port crane, can easily become a land missile system.

[poquello]

Quote: Wiruz

I know that very well. But the point was that Club-K is on the ship, which, with the help of a port crane, can easily become a land missile system.

yes calm down already, two bolts will be welded and it will already be with a wrench and a port crane, and this is a completely different song

[Scharnhorst]

It has no analogues in the world because only we can order an icebreaker with national money for patrolling in the tropics and publicize it as a masterpiece of domestic shipbuilding.

[Wiruz]

What confused you personally:
1) That it is built on "people's" money?
2) What can he walk in the tropics?
3) Or that it is quite fair, can be called unique?

[31rus2]

Dear, I wrote about the tropics above, if you want to work hard on fractions and find the necessary information, I’ll add that we are being laid over bases, including the pro, the North is becoming a strategic destination in all respects, now the Americans are recovering and will begin, although they have long been North Sea the way is considered the common property, i.e. they spat on borders and treaties

[Monos]

Quote: Scharnhorst

only we can ...

You know, dearest worm, he loves to pick his shit not because he lives in the ass, but because he is a worm.
I sympathize with you.

[masiya]

Great new ships .. we’ll check everything, normal coast guard boats will cover along the entire border and the border ...

[okroshka79]

It is interesting how the earlier problem of the mechanical strength of the HV radar antenna mountings was technically solved. In particular, on the nuclear icebreaker, the antennas of the MR-310 "Angara" radar station simply, roughly speaking, broke off due to the enormous dynamic loads during the breaking of pack ice.

[JD1979]

Quote: Maxom75

It has long been suggested that moderators introduce mandatory registration of each new user when registering on the site for knowledge of the INF Treaty. Then you can take notes:

According to the agreement on the elimination of short and medium-range missiles, Russia and the United States undertake to withdraw from armament and no longer produce land-based short and medium-range missiles
You can read the last two words several times. That is, the Tomahawks, Caliber, Skalp-Naval, and other cruise missiles of air, surface and underwater basing do not fall under the ban.
But here is one "but" with which I started. Russia has already made it clear more than once that the Club-K complexes (I do not know the non-export name) are not only produced, but may also be in service with us. If such a container is on the deck of a warship, then there are no problems, but the very fact that similar containers "with filling" can stand both on land and in ports, and a hundred kilometers from the White House, all this is a great opportunity for our "partners" to accuse us of violating the INF Treaty (which we are already brazenly violating).

Here you are, testing and failed, the examiner heh ... the elephant is not called as they are. The treaty affects only ground-based missiles, and you can hang anything on the water, under water and under the wing. And only export imposed restrictions in the form of 300km on any type of missile.

[ver_]

Quote: Wiruz

Michael, either I am explaining incorrectly, or you are paying the wrong attention. Read my last paragraph again. If we install Club-K complexes on ships, then they are accepted for service, then we use 99% of the pounds on land, so we violate the INF Treaty.

Chet, I'm tired of explaining ....

Quote: Wiruz

Michael, either I am explaining incorrectly, or you are paying the wrong attention. Read my last paragraph again. If we install Club-K complexes on ships, then they are accepted for service, then we use 99% of the pounds on land, so we violate the INF Treaty.

Chet, I'm tired of explaining ....

... you might think that they called Nizya Chipollino ..

[drunkram]

a little expensive for a tug ...

[AKsvlad047]

Beautiful and necessary for the Russian Navy karablik !!!