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Reflections on the topic: do we really need "foreign Russians"?

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In general, the situation when “tomorrow is war, and we, as always, are not ready” for us, Russians, is habitual and normal. Well, so happened from time immemorial.


But just two years ago, we were faced with the problem of the mass migration of Russians to Russia. I note that faced once again. Were in our stories already mass resettlements of our compatriots from Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kirghizia. It is the turn of Ukraine. And here began to draw problems and difficulties for which we, as always, were not ready.

Actually, we, ordinary Russians, were ready. And met, and helped, and the whole world, and who how could individually. There was such a thing, and there was nothing to reproach myself with. But our bodies, as it were softer to say, were as always. In one place.

Yes, one can say that the state as a whole was not ready for those dances that the Kiev junta and the fascist accomplices began to dance. However. Since I continue to communicate with the Russians, who lived earlier in Ukraine, and now they are trying to arrange their lives here, here I have come up with some analysis of what comes to pass who wants to become a citizen of our country. And the conclusions, I confess, not very.

To begin, perhaps, with the fact that until 2015 in the Law on Citizenship there was no concept of "Russian" at all, just as our state didn’t actually care about all Russians who remained abroad after the collapse of the USSR.

Everyone survived as best he could. According to the law of the jungle. Although I agree that the times were still those in terms of survival. Themselves to survive, what can we say about those who for one night became a citizen of another state.

About Belovezhskaya treachery, which marked the beginning of all this disgrace, said so much that there is nothing to add. And the Russians became Ukrainians, Belarusians (not the worst option), Estonians and other citizens.

And everyone who did not want to live where Belovezhsky prefixed him, was chosen at his own peril and risk.

But under the pressure of circumstances, namely, under the shells and missiles of the Ukrainian army and the efforts of terbats and simply fascists, in 2014, a stream rushed towards us. And not just a flow, but a flow. And with this it was necessary to do something urgently.

And in April of 2015, the following article appeared in the “Citizenship Law”:

Art. 14, part of 2.1.
"Foreign citizens and stateless persons who permanently reside legally in the Russian Federation, recognized as native Russian speakers in accordance with Article 33.1 of this Federal Law, have the right to apply for citizenship of the Russian Federation in a simplified manner ..."


Simplified order is the real hope of becoming a citizen before you die of old age or hunger. With hunger, of course, bust, but we go further. And then we have an article 33.1.

"Foreign citizens ... by the results of the interview ... can be recognized as native Russian speakers, that is, people who speak Russian and use it daily in family, social and cultural spheres, if these individuals or their relatives live in a direct ascending line or previously resided in the territory of the Russian Federation or in the territory belonging to the Russian Empire or the USSR, within the borders of the Russian Federation ”.

The fact that the state of Russia, on the outskirts of which millions of Russians were born and lived, was slightly circumcised when the USSR was created to the borders of the RSFSR, nobody cares.

But it gives rise to many collisions.

No, if you, like Depardieu or Jones, for example, have a pair of suitcases with green or multi-colored bills, then there will be no problem with citizenship. Proven. And you sneeze on the fact that in Russian you know a maximum of five words. Citizenship will be.

And if not?

In this case, everything is much sadder.

I must say that all the rotation in the FMS environment look quite logical and justified. Although they require not weak investments of this very money. Starting from transfers to state fees. Here you can also add the passage of a full medical examination, but once again I repeat, it all looks quite logical.

But there is one thing that completely kills all these logical and understandable beginnings. And, I would say that this thing is the main obstacle to the return of Russians to their homeland. And the name of this phenomenon is REGISTRATION.

I mean not the primary one, which is necessary for obtaining RWP. This is just garbage, which I myself did twice run away from Ukraine. There is nothing difficult in it, especially since any management company does it quickly and clearly. What-what, but not a single Criminal Code will refuse to listen a bit of money. Therefore, half an hour - and "temporary building" in the pocket of the applicants.

You can start a campaign for citizenship. More precisely, for RAH. Hospitals, notaries, drug-onco-AIDS centers, translators, again notaries. But, if it is good to rest with a horn and score on everything, then in a month the desired paper, indicating that this person has received the right of temporary residence in Russia, will be ready.

Exhale? Yeah, right now ...

Just further, the fun begins. Citizenship application. Even under the simplified scheme it is still that hemorrhoids. Starting with the exam in Russian. No one cares at all how well the applicant knows. People are smart, they are well aware that the Russian who came from the same Ukraine speaks his native language perfectly. So this exam for ours from there is a complete profanation.

However, this profanation costs 15 thousands per head. But this is serious. Yes, the law has a lot of points to avoid this unpleasant procedure. But before that, in accordance with the letter of the law, you must have that very REGISTRATION. And no longer temporary, no.

The applicant must be registered at the place of residence. And the employees of the FMS do not shy away in some regions and checks. To find out whether the specified persons live at this address or not. Fair, yes. Accounting is required.

In general, a magnificent structure was drawn from the light hand of the former head of the fighters against migrants, Mr. Romodanovsky. That's just not quite clear against whom she is friends. It turns out that the "refugees" who arrived in good jeeps with Donetsk and Lugansk numbers, immediately bought their apartments and registered in them - these are ours, Russians. Returning home ...

And at the exit, more precisely, at the entrance, beloved and desired returnees, that they had already somehow forgotten, forgiven all the scandals. I note that the lion's share of the fights at the local level was initiated by them. What leads to certain thoughts on the topic, and whether they were so desirable. But it's not about them, not about Depardieu and other "Russians".

It is about those who are really not able to secure a normal life right away, because they do not have a suitcase with money. But able to be useful to the country. Workers of all stripes: shipbuilders, aircraft manufacturers, nuclear power engineers, engines. Everything that Ukraine could have been proud of before.

Instead of simply taking these people for ourselves, our state simply plunges them into a corrupt extortionate pool. The "left" registrations, bribes to the FMS (and do not say that they do not take, they grab for a sweet soul, schemes are established and debugged) everywhere.

And here, in fact, I turn to the main part. That is, from criticism to quite normal reasoning on the topic "And how it should be, ideally."

Having talked with those who came to Russia for permanent residence, I came to the following conclusions. Everything, by the way, is quite simple.

In each city (regional center, at least) such remnants of the Soviet past, such as hostels, remained. And people still live there. More expensive than in apartments, not so comfortable, but live.

Why should the FMS in particular and the state (of which the FMS is a part) not organize such a migration center in every city-participant of the resettlement program? Settle in a hostel and populate there people who come to Russia without having a suitcase of money or relatives. By the way, many of my current interlocutors there, abroad, are often stopped by the absence of relatives able to give temporary shelter and provide this damned registration.

How many, it turns out, hares are killed with one shot? Arriving job seekers do not have to worry about where to live and how to obtain registration. FMS does not have to ride around the city, checking the validity of the documents submitted, all at your side. And, most importantly, the flow of money, which usually flows into the hands of businessmen from regbusiness, is drying up.

A person received citizenship, became a full member of society, found a job - and you can change the living conditions. Rent an apartment, attend to a mortgage and so on.

That would be motherly. And so more stepmother turns out.

The thought, from my point of view, is not bad. However, when did our state do something for citizens to the detriment of themselves? I am referring to the citizens who live in the hostels. And which should be resettled in a good way. Well this will have to give them either apartments on preferential terms, or a preferential mortgage for those who pull. And not 12-13% per annum, such as at Sberbank, namely, preferential and acceptable. Half as much. This is, in theory, the state needs ... Whether it is necessary - that is the question.

And it turns out that having arrived in the arms of a new homeland, a person is forced to pass circles that are quite comparable with hellish ones. Find a home. With registration. Find a job. Collect, arrange to defend everything with documents. We do not forget to issue a patent for work. It is necessary. Also 4 thousands to give.

What is the most strange and insulting - people pass all this. And because the bridges have already been burned behind their backs, and because they really believe that the future will be brighter than yesterday.

And should it be?

Once again, I emphasize that the whole rich ragie-off type of Depardieu, Yanukovych Jr., Azarov I do not care three times and tenfold. Benefit from them is zero full. As well as from the fighter so characteristic tan. These people will be Russian only on a passport, and even then, because it is profitable. Political PR, nothing more.

But for real Russian offensively. On both sides of the border. For some, because they often come to nowhere, huddle around with relatives, acquaintances and half-acquaintances at times, and first look for a job, so that there is something to live and take shape, and then everything else. And for others, because then later reproaches go to our address. Fair quite often.

Barbarism? Barbarism, dear, as is barbarism. At the state level.

There will be those who will argue that in other places it is still worse. And should we even be concerned with these places? What, tell me, is there a difference, how is this the case in Germany (an unfortunate example, even an Arab live there completely for himself), France, Israel? In Russia, for the Russians it should be civilized and comfortable.

There is something to think about, is not it?
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  1. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 27 May 2016 09: 29
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    He collected documents for citizenship of the Russian Federation 2005-2006, he was Russian, he went through the circles of hell although he did it by acquaintance and by law in the Moscow Region! then the print is poor in metrics (letters cannot be clearly erased, as if it should have become fresher in 30 years, I had to wander to Uzbekistan, then the notary should be only Moscow), which was characteristically non-Russian, it was easier t, they kind of got a discount because of that that I’m non-Russians, at the end I have permanent registration in Moscow, I’m building a country house, I pay three loans, I have debts, salary delays, I pay for my daughter’s studies, and I have no regrets.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 27 May 2016 10: 23
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      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Collecting documents for citizenship of the Russian Federation 2005-2006
      That is, did not fall under the program of the return of compatriots? Well, yes, it seems to have been operating since the summer of 2006 .. Well, plus hemorrhoids, which, as I understand it, in non-rubber, they registered citizenship - it’s really expensive and long.
      I live in the same city with a respected author of the material. Adopted two families of refugees from the Donbass (close relatives). For a year and a half they received citizenship, without much strain. And many of their countrymen. whom I know. They did not encounter any particular difficulties when designing a military command and a military registration and registration certificate. Queues in the FMS, yes, piss out. But somehow I did not have to face extortions - everything was done on a common basis. I should add that my citizenship of the Russian Federation was received about the program for the return of compatriots; there were no questions about any exams on knowledge of the Russian language.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 10: 28
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        Quote: Ami du peuple
        I should add that my citizenship of the Russian Federation was received about the program for the return of compatriots; there were no questions about any exams on knowledge of the Russian language.

        all the same
      2. sa-ag
        sa-ag 27 May 2016 10: 58
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        Quote: Ami du peuple
        I should add that my citizenship of the Russian Federation was received about the program for the return of compatriots; there were no questions about any exams on knowledge of the Russian language.

        These are just two different ways, one according to the program for promoting the resettlement of compatriots, there the exam does not pass, the other obtaining a residence permit as a native speaker (well, then citizenship), then the exam exists
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 27 May 2016 11: 25
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          Quote: sa-ag
          These are just two different paths.
          I know perfectly. Recently, inevitably managed to become a connoisseur of migration legislation. In addition, the method of obtaining citizenship depends on the specific region. For example, in the Rostov region, to participate in the program for the return of compatriots, it is necessary to work at least a year and a half in the region in the specialty indicated in the diploma of education. What is almost unrealistic - try to get a stateless job, for example, as a teacher.
          1. sherp2015
            sherp2015 27 May 2016 16: 34
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            Quote: Ami du peuple
            I know perfectly. Recently, inevitably managed to become a connoisseur of migration legislation. In addition, the method of obtaining citizenship depends on the specific region. For example, in the Rostov region, to participate in the program for the return of compatriots, it is necessary to work at least a year and a half in the region in the specialty indicated in the diploma of education. What is almost unrealistic - try to get a stateless job, for example, as a teacher.

            The current Kremlin people probably do not need ...
            They prefer the wordless migrant migrant workers working for a bowl of pottage. Here they are likely to expect more Chinese than ethnic Slavs
        2. atalef
          atalef 27 May 2016 14: 38
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          Quote: sa-ag
          one on compatriots resettlement assistance program

          I believe that any RUSSIAN (something like the country of Russia) and members of his family should have the right to come to Russia. Without exams, without obstacles, with the only test - for the criminal past. With the instant receipt of citizenship and benefits for the first time.
          I repeat again - any Russian.
          You can’t divide Russians into the first, second or third grade, only for the reason - where the person was at one time or another or his parents.
          Russian is worthy of citizenship no less than Depardieu or some boxer.
          1. matross
            matross 27 May 2016 16: 36
            +3
            Yes, any Russian. But subject to renunciation of citizenship of another country (countries). Then it will be fair and confirm the intention to become a citizen of Russia, and not just to obtain citizenship.
            1. atalef
              atalef 27 May 2016 16: 40
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              Quote: matRoss
              Yes, any Russian. But subject to renunciation of citizenship of another country (countries). Then it will be fair and confirm the intention to become a citizen of Russia, and not just to obtain citizenship.

              Then in Russia it will be necessary to change the law (I don’t know if the same is spelled out in the Constitution) because the law of the Russian Federation permits to have dual citizenship. And this automatic demand will require the renunciation of the second citizenship of all citizens of the Russian Federation.
              I’m afraid many State Duma deputies, ministers, and Putin himself (whose daughter has dual citizenship) will not agree with this.
              1. matross
                matross 27 May 2016 16: 47
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                Well, I did not check out Putin’s daughter on Ausweis, so I’ll be silent about this. But the law does not have to be changed. Those who have received Russian citizenship and renounced their previous citizenship receive all the rights of citizens by birth. Including may claim Israeli wink
                1. atalef
                  atalef 27 May 2016 17: 00
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                  Quote: matRoss
                  Well, I did not check out Putin’s daughter on Ausweis, so I’ll be silent about this. But the law does not have to be changed. Those who have received Russian citizenship and renounced their previous citizenship receive all the rights of citizens by birth. Including may claim Israeli

                  not understood ? belay
                  1. matross
                    matross 27 May 2016 20: 18
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                    Quote: atalef
                    did not understand

                    I thought you were more smart.
                    This was a discussion proposal, not legal advice.
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              3. gladcu2
                gladcu2 27 May 2016 20: 14
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                atalef

                In your emotional presentation, you used the moral side of the issue.

                But there is always a pragmatic side. This is a motivation for emigration. First of all, it is a pragmatist, and morality will be already when all material issues have been resolved and the resource remains to think about something sublime, for example, morality.

                I'm not joking, I have experience.

                For example. A person who, when emigrating did not cut bridges behind him, will always return back to his former country and at the same time will wildly blame the country where he was going to emigrate.

                And the main reason for such an emigration failure is that countries are outwardly the same and attractive, but this is for tourists, and the internal morality and structure of the country are strikingly different. And in order to survive, and even more so to come to some kind of success as a result of competition with the direct population of the country, it is very difficult. Therefore, if the bridge behind itself is destroyed, then the motivation to survive is completely different.

                I could talk about this moral of survival and cite a lot of life examples to infinity.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 27 May 2016 20: 24
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                  Quote: gladcu2
                  This is a motivation for emigration. First of all, it’s a pragmatist, and morality will be already when all material issues are resolved and the resource remains to think about something sublime, for example morality

                  And to return to the country that you consider yours is not a reason for emigration?
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  For example. A person who, when emigrating did not cut bridges behind him, will always return back to his former country and at the same time will wildly blame the country where he was going to emigrate.

                  among Russians living in Russia, there are many who want their country.
                  People need to believe, emigration is a difficult process, and if a person decides to do it, then he has good reasons
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  Therefore, if the bridge behind itself is destroyed, then the motivation to survive is completely different.

                  You know, a lot of people from the former USSR came to Israel, someone stayed, someone came back, someone went on, but no one calls them traitors here, which is probably why all these people do not break ties with their country and always know that there is a country on Earth , where they are always waiting, glad and will not be asked questions - are you a traitor? My oldest daughter lives in Canada, she left to work and stayed. On health, I like it there - great, at home we are always happy to see you and are waiting for you.
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  I could talk about this moral of survival and cite a lot of life examples to infinity.

                  Well, if your flag is really Canadian, let's talk.
                  1. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 27 May 2016 22: 42
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                    atalef

                    I wanted to talk in more detail at the beginning, and then decided to summarize.

                    The choice of country for emigration is not great. Emigration pushes only serious need.

                    In any case, the emigrant must be ready for a serious breakdown of his morality. When one does not succeed in changing one's morality, disappointment will occur.

                    Well, in this regard, add life.

                    If the citizens of a country want to start living better, they must start not with revolutions, changes in the social system, but with the correction of their internal morality with the help of state mechanisms.

                    Why do I wear this morality like an eccentric with a written sack. Because the foundation of any state is internal morality and this property of society has never changed for millennia.

                    Aristotle always put morality at the foundation of the state.

                    An example of Lenin and Stalin.

                    Do you remember Leninsky? Studying, studying and studying again? This is to work out a single moral.


                    Stalin remember? Which launched capitalism in the form of NEP, and then transferred the spent capital in the free time of the population, reducing working hours, but subject to the development of the education system.

                    This is the development of a single morality.

                    Even VVP understands this when it talks about patriotism, although I am sure that the advisers do not instruct him in this way. Why "even", because the GDP is so busy that he definitely does not have time to read Aristotle.

                    I hope I get rid of it clearly.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 27 May 2016 22: 57
                      +1
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      The choice of a country for emigration is not great. Only a serious necessity pushes emigration

                      They are repatriated to Israel. Israel is the home of the Jewish people.
                      Nationality Canadian, I have not heard - which is probably why the views are different.

                      Quote: gladcu2
                      If the citizens of a country want to start living better, they must start not with revolutions, changes in the social system, but with the correction of their internal morality with the help of state mechanisms.

                      A strange position, but if the state is preaching a fascist ideology, should I break myself under it? Change your inner morality? And this will achieve a better life?
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      example of Lenin and Stalin.

                      Do you remember Leninsky? Studying, studying and studying again? This is to work out a single moral.

                      Do you think that by this Lenin meant morality? Founder of one of the most immoral regimes in history

                      Quote: gladcu2
                      Stalin remember? Which launched capitalism in the form of NEP, and then transferred the spent capital in the free time of the population, reducing working hours, but subject to the development of the education system

                      With facts you can confirm, especially the part of the reduction of the working day, the establishment of the federal labor standards and workers for enterprises, the ban on dismissal and transfer to another place of work, the enslavement of peasants on collective farms with workdays and lack of passports?
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      This is the development of a single morality.

                      Even the GDP understands this when it speaks of patriotism, although I am sure that the advisers do not instruct it in this vein.

                      United morality - Putin and the elite - the people of Russia belay

                      Quote: gladcu2
                      I hope I get rid of it clearly.

                      Unfortunately no. hi
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 22: 59
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                        Quote: atalef
                        Israel is the home of the Jewish people

                        and what was the USSR for you personally ?!
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 27 May 2016 23: 07
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                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Quote: atalef
                        Israel is the home of the Jewish people

                        and what was the USSR for you personally ?!

                        the same as Kazakhstan for you. - Homeland.
                    2. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 28 May 2016 15: 55
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                      atalef

                      I understood that you did not understand. :)

                      I will continue to come to one opinion.

                      I'll start with life examples. Fascism, communism, Zionism, let’s leave, I understand you don’t understand this, but use false stamps imposed on you by the media.

                      An example of the presence and difference of morality among different peoples.

                      Imagine a 6 lane highway. Speed ​​in all lanes is 100 km / h. According to the rules, if the speed on all the lanes is the same, then changing the line is very difficult. State stupidity, sheer. But as they say what is. In order to somehow correct the situation, they write on the electronic tab, the left line for overtaking. If we take approximately the difference in speed for overtaking 10 km / h, then in the sixth lane the speed will be 160 km / h. Fine ... no?

                      How do people survive? Moral, everyone understands that you can’t move statically, you always need to have a difference in speed. But here problems come in the form of emigrants.

                      These guys, not understanding or deliberately not accepting a single moral, go to the far left lane and reduce the speed to 90km / h. Creating an absolutely dangerous situation on the road. On the one hand, according to the law, everything is true, but on the other hand, it becomes dangerous to live.

                      Another case.

                      Driving slowly on roads creating obstruction is a property of residents from Jamaica and China.

                      Absolutely the same behavior among pedestrians in the subway. If everyone is trying to go with the flow, then the Jamaican will go against or go slowly stopping the flow. But the Chinese are so surprised at all. You just brought your foot into the subway car and then out of nowhere, a Chinese man emerges from under his right armpit and manages to run first. They were given the nickname, cockroaches.

                      All this is moral. Why is it important to maintain. To avoid conflicts at all levels, including work.

                      But in general, morality also affects the structure of the state and governance.
                    3. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 28 May 2016 16: 34
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                      I will continue, however, with ideology.

                      Ideology is an artificially changed morality. Maybe some time to be the core of the development of the state. But since ideology does not have a natural origin, ideology without constant support degrades, degenerates. It is clear that the country may die. An example is known. Well, Hitler’s Germany also perished.

                      Definition of ideologies. I’ll say in advance that it’s not on Wikipedia, it’s difficult and not clear there.

                      Communism as an ideology. This is an ideology of limiting personal needs in favor of the public. The Russian state was revived and kept it in the Great Patriotic War.

                      Fascism is the ideology of the unity of the nation under a significant pretext. For example, the superiority of a nation or an external threat. It is characterized by the merger of the state, large private capital and people. Fascism arises in the crises of capitalism. The prerequisites for this are a critical impoverishment of the people, not the opportunity to earn money by large private capital, the people are robbed, and the state, called upon to follow the laws, becomes an instrument for earning private capital. Why is fascism a negative ideology. Because all the forces of the fascist state are working to seize neighboring states. Capital rules. The moral changes are as follows. Instead of fighting capitalism, workers for their rights become together with capital under one banner and rob the neighboring state. Do you remember? That the soldiers of the Wehrmacht were promised land in Ukraine.

                      Zionism. This, atalef, is the answer to "why we are not loved".

                      Zionism is the ideology of the supremacy of a nation in terms of the assimilation of this nation in another country. In order not to talk for a long time, read the "catechesis of the Jew." It clearly states in black and white how to violate generally accepted moral standards in order to gain an advantage.

                      All ideologies have one thing in common; this is an altered morality.
              4. gladcu2
                gladcu2 28 May 2016 13: 37
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                atalef

                Return to the country that you consider yours. Gap concepts.

                If you received the citizenship of a new country. Settled, housing, work, home. Children went to school, they have friends. This is already your country. And you will protect it so that no one breaks this life.

                This perestroika wave broke into Israel precisely in the hope that they would return to the life of which they had lived before perestroika. They went there for a arranged life, to a country where it was normal. The quality of this wave was high; these were workers, engineers, youth.

                According to the ideology of the return of Jews to Israel in 70 years, a very small number left. The quality of this wave was, to say the least, not high. Since the motivation is very strange.

                And ride here - there. This is not a tour trip. This is serious.
        3. gladcu2
          gladcu2 27 May 2016 19: 51
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          matross

          If you are 45 and you have worked 25 years in another country, have arrived in the Russian Federation and become a citizen, what is necessary to renounce your pension in the country of your former residence?
          1. atalef
            atalef 27 May 2016 20: 05
            +1
            Quote: gladcu2
            matross

            If you are 45 and you have worked 25 years in another country, have arrived in the Russian Federation and become a citizen, what is necessary to renounce your pension in the country of your former residence?

            Nothing of the kind, the pension is funded and this is your money, no one has the right to deprive you of it.
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 27 May 2016 20: 23
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              atalef

              Will you teach me this? Smiled ...

              Your statement is completely false. Pension voluntarily, and no one will be forced to pay.

              You know, for example, that in Canada a pension in some cases amounts to several hundred dollars a month, and the rest is subsidies to a living wage. Living in another country will you demand these compensations?

              Israel, he is also not in a hurry to pay the money. I have experience with a friend.

              Preconditions for emigration can only be real and motivated without any snot on the face.
              1. atalef
                atalef 27 May 2016 21: 09
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                Quote: gladcu2
                Will you teach me this? Smiled ...

                Your statement is completely false. Pension voluntarily, and no one will be forced to pay.

                I'm not going to teach you, I absolutely officially bark you.
                Nobody can deprive Pnsia. In Israel, a pension consists of two parts - a funded pension (each one receives it, an amount depending on the amount of contributions) and a pension from the national insurance service (which is the same for everyone) and amounts to about 1500 shekels - something like that.
                tk here, to receive a pension from the national insurance service, you must be present in the country for at least 5-6 months a year.
                The funded part belongs to you and is paid to you regardless of where you live.
                Quote: gladcu2
                You know, for example, that in Canada a pension in some cases amounts to several hundred dollars a month, and the rest is subsidies to a living wage. Living in another country will you demand these compensations?

                This is the same conversation about a pension from the national insurance service - to receive it, you need to be in the country.
                But if (as an example) my funded pension should be approximately 10000 tons of shek + 1500 from the national budget. insurance. Well, 1500 can be donated or constantly ride back and forth. But 10.000 are yours and only yours, at least do not come to the country.
                Quote: gladcu2
                Israel, he is also not in a hurry to pay the money. I have experience with a friend.

                There is no such thing - Israel. there are pension funds and the law. Until you reach retirement age, that is, 67 years old, you cannot get money out of the pension fund (and rightly so). Is your friend probably younger than 67?
                Quote: gladcu2
                Preconditions for emigration can only be real and motivated without any snot on the face.

                Of course, if a person feels part of the Russian world and Russia as his country - why is this not a reason?
                1. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 28 May 2016 13: 25
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                  atalef

                  Thanks for the clarification . Accepted.
          2. matross
            matross 27 May 2016 20: 27
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            Quote: gladcu2
            What is necessary to refuse your pension in the country of your former residence?

            Let's be pragmatic - this is Russia’s drum. No country is interested in the influx of emigrants of retirement and pre-retirement age. Exceptions are prominent scientists, cultural and art figures, iconic political figures, etc. Who are you?
            1. atalef
              atalef 27 May 2016 21: 10
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              Quote: matRoss
              . No country is interested in the influx of emigrants of retirement and pre-retirement age.

              Of course, but the law is the law and have no right to refuse.
            2. gladcu2
              gladcu2 28 May 2016 13: 24
              0
              matross

              Emigrate in families. There are elderly parents. You won’t leave them. Age is also medicine.
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      4. igor1981
        igor1981 27 May 2016 17: 24
        +2
        atalef, now I read all your comments and honestly admit, this time, I fully agree with you. A month later, with my family I’m moving (returning) to Russia according to the state program for the resettlement of compatriots, there are so many squashes that my mother does not grieve. hi
        1. matross
          matross 27 May 2016 19: 58
          +1
          Quote: igor1981
          squash

          Igor, they’ll hack you on an exam in Russian)))
          This is a joke, of course, to Welkam that rush, my friend)))
  2. Aleksander
    Aleksander 27 May 2016 12: 53
    +2
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    under the program of the return of compatriots


    The Compatriots Resettlement Program is a big waste of money, nerves and time for those who wish. And also humiliating tests for soft and hard chancre, syphilis and gonorrhea, a bunch of figs of useless evidence- on this the whole industry feeds. This is a mockery of those whom Russia itself has refused in 1991.
    Do you know what it takes to obtain EU (Romania) citizenship in Moldova?
    Application and birth certificate of grandparents. EVERYTHING! After half a year or a year, you get an EU passport without going anywhere, without having a RVP and certificates about the absence of syphilis and without hemorrhoids. Drive, live, work on a par with a German or a Frenchman.
    This is the right approach! Prove that you are Russian and get a Russian passport so that IMMEDIATELY and EQUALLY live in Russia. And there is no need to lift, transport, etc. And then people will go and not only those who are forced to flee, but also those who want, but stop, looking at the wild red tape.
    If you look more broadly: several thousand people graduate from Russian schools every year — literate, young, beautiful, ambitious — come to them, invite them to Russia to universities, vocational schools, give RVPs, scholarships, they will gladly go — a wonderful acquisition for Russia !. Of course, they themselves go, there is a small amount of scholarships, but this is a drop in the bucket. But they spent and are spending tens (if not hundreds) of millions of dollars on the construction of the huge Cultural Russian Center, the Cyclopean Embassy of Russia (much more than the embassy in Washington!), Etc.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 13: 01
      -3
      Quote: Aleksander
      And also humiliating tests for soft and hard chancre, syphilis and gonorrhea

      and what's so humiliating ?!
      Quote: Aleksander
      This is the right approach! Prove that you are Russian and get a Russian passport,

      and how are you going to prove it ?!
      Well, if they offered to tell us how to legally correctly execute it - Russianness ?!
      or like the Cossacks - you drink vodka, you believe in Christ, we typeset it ?!
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 27 May 2016 15: 15
        +1
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        and what's so humiliating ?!

        And what’s in this non-humiliating ?!
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        how are you going to prove it ?! Well, if you’ve suggested, tell me how to legally correctly execute it - Russianness ?!

        Read the comment you are commenting on? !!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 15: 26
          +1
          Quote: Aleksander
          And what’s in this non-humiliating ?!

          Sorry, I don’t know how it is now, but before, to get into the pool you had to pass an analysis for syphilis and what ?!
          did it humiliate someone ?!
          For example, do you know that at one time Alma-Ata didn’t have enough sick people to recognize the syphilis epidemic? !!!
          Quote: Aleksander
          Read the comment you are commenting on? !!

          I’m reading and so far no legal norms of any kind, no one has brought just lace, but for all Russians, citizenship and who and most importantly on the basis of what can be considered Russian, no one could say, and hardly can, because Russian is not pure blood and not even birth in Russia
          1. Aleksander
            Aleksander 27 May 2016 15: 38
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            excuse me, I don’t know how it is now, but before that to get to the pool you had to pass an analysis for syphilis and what?! did it humiliate someone ?!


            Hand over to the pool, and on the testimony of a migrant, savagery is stupid.
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            I’m reading and so far no legal norms of any kind, no one has brought just lace, but for all Russians, citizenship and who and most importantly on the basis of what can be considered Russian, no one could say, and hardly can, because Russian is not pure blood and not even birth in Russia

            Once again, send to your comment. If you can’t, then I repeat, based on the documents of grandparents, moms and dads, where the nationality is indicated.
            These people in the first place. Further, those for whom the Russian language is native and main.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 15: 40
              -1
              Quote: Aleksander
              Hand over to the pool, and on the testimony of a migrant, savagery is stupid.

              it’s wildness to accept people from dangerous regions without references, and note that I handed over this analysis and don’t think it’s stupid, by the way, when I handed over the doctor, the Russians were indignant, the smart ones check everyone and our stupid people take syphilitics indiscriminately
              1. atalef
                atalef 27 May 2016 15: 52
                +4
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                it’s wildness to accept people from dangerous regions without references, and note that I handed over this analysis and don’t think it’s stupid, by the way, when I handed over the doctor, the Russians were indignant, the smart ones check everyone and our stupid people take syphilitics indiscriminately

                A large number of AIDS patients enter Israel (repatriates from Ethiopia) - I would like to look at the official who forbade the entry of a Jew with a disease laughing
                He would have been fired if not on this day, then on the next, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs would have stuck such a claim that they would have been too tired to pay.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 16: 00
                  -1
                  you are still not very smart, accept the same with leprosy
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 27 May 2016 16: 09
                    +2
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    you are still not very smart, accept the same with leprosy

                    The law of return does not say anything about diseases. therefore, no one has the right, on this basis, to not let a Jew (and a member of his family (suppose a Chuvash - sick with leprosy) into the country and not grant him citizenship at the time of arrival at the airport.
                    Otherwise, the court, the loss of the case and compensation.
                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 16: 37
                    -1
                    Quote: atalef
                    The law of return says nothing about diseases

                    you are cunning
                  3. atalef
                    atalef 27 May 2016 16: 45
                    +2
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Quote: atalef
                    The law of return says nothing about diseases

                    you are cunning

                    no you can check
                    The Law of Return proclaims the right of every Jew to repatriate to the State of Israel. It was adopted by the Knesset in 1950. This law provides the legal basis for granting Israeli citizenship to every Jew. The exception is persons who are involved in activities directed against the Jewish people or that pose a threat to the public order and security of the country. Criminals trying to hide from justice in Israel also fall into this category.

                    http://il4u.org.il/blog/about-israel/repatriation/zakon-o-vozvrashhenii
                    find at least one word about the disease, I apologize publicly.
                  4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 16: 56
                    -1
                    you are cunning and you yourself admitted it, for a start you need to prove that you are a Jew, but you can DO NOT PROOF
                  5. atalef
                    atalef 27 May 2016 17: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    you are cunning and you yourself admitted it, for a start you need to prove that you are a Jew, but you can DO NOT PROOF

                    How can you not prove if the birth certificate says the nationality of the parents? belay
                    Or someone can not read? Or is this document a 10-page folio?
                  6. Aleksander
                    Aleksander 27 May 2016 22: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    How can you not prove if the birth certificate says the nationality of the parents? Or someone can not read? Or is this document a folio on 10 pages?


                    He will still say: "You are dissembling!" lol It’s useless to say ...
                    Israel RIGHTS at 100%.
                  7. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 22: 52
                    0
                    Quote: Aleksander
                    He will still say: "You are dissembling!"

                    Moreover, he cited documentary facts that this is a lie and that the link exclusively to the birth certificate is stupid since far from all countries in this document is the nationality of the parents, and accordingly, in this case, you can establish nationality only with the words
                    refute if you can
  3. Aleksander
    Aleksander 27 May 2016 22: 43
    +2
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    it’s wildness to accept without references from people from dangerous regions, and note that I handed over these analyzes


    From what you passed, he did not become less dumb. What are the dangerous regions, what kind of nonsense? belay
    Set borders!, Put obstacles: God forbid any Russian slip into Russia! They’ll gobble up their pension, they’ll take away the meters, ah-yy-yay!
    Take then southern BRUSH from non-hazardous lol regions with which no one asks anything (including the syphilis analysis you like so much), but they give citizenship in millions. Like pensions and meters to them. And nobody blathers, all in a rag.
    When enlightened (I hope, but sure that NO) in the brains of growers, let them look to ISRAEL: people understand and think how to save the country and the state.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 22: 49
      0
      Quote: Aleksander
      What are the dangerous regions, what kind of nonsense?
      the incidence rate in SA of dangerous infections is very high
      One question, did you personally use the resettlement program ?!
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 14: 19
    +3
    Quote: Aleksander
    The compatriots resettlement program "is a big waste of money, nerves and time for those who wish. And also humiliating tests for soft and hard chancre, syphilis and gonorrhea, a bunch of unnecessary inquiries, proofs, the whole industry feeds on this. This is a mockery of those whom Russia itself abandoned in 1991

    There will be those who will object that in other places it is still worse. But should we even care about these places? What, tell me, is the difference, how is the matter in Germany (a bad example, even the Arabs live quite there), France, Israel? In Russia, for Russians it should be civilized and comfortable

    He decided to leave for Israel in 1992, for half a year he issued a passport with all certificates from all places of work. military registration and enlistment offices and parental permission.
    Then he went to the Israeli Embassy in Moscow
    there, in one hour, I got permission to enter, they also gave me the phone Sokhnuta in which I ordered a plane ticket (I also saved it and paid for it), Sokhnut pays for baggage (I just didn’t send it), by the way, if you go without baggage, you get compensation for baggage .
    boarded the plane * after 2 weeks, in my opinion) Arrived, received at the airport citizenship and lifting in the early days , then took a look at the Ministry of Absorption, opened a bank account - where the money began to flow for the first half-year of life (not so much what amount), but with some savings would be enough.
    Then the compensation for the purchase of electrical goods, the first 3 years you do not pay income, free language courses, the first year free medical insurance, the rights were exchanged for local (without re-transfer - then it was still like that), and for the first 3 years you have the right to buy a car without customs taxes (somewhere around 30% cheaper). Courses (professional 0 - free.
    Pensioners - pensions. invalids of the Second World War - war dogs (though none of them concerned me though)
    Well, something like this looked like that.
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander 27 May 2016 15: 05
      +5
      Quote: atalef
      Arrived, received citizenship and lifting at the airport in the early days, then took shape at the Ministry of Absorption


      Israel in this regard has the most reasonable and correct policy, it really cares about its future and its fellow tribesmen.
      In Russia, it’s even easier — people come who know both the language and their own in fact.
      Give a passport and even lifting is not necessary, and people will go, and so ....
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 17: 01
    +2
    Quote: Aleksander
    Do you know what it takes to obtain EU (Romania) citizenship in Moldova?
    Application and birth certificate of grandparents. EVERYTHING!

    This is a geyropa laughing
  • igorek4515
    igorek4515 27 May 2016 13: 40
    +5
    That is, did not fall under the program of the return of compatriots? well, yes, it’s been acting since the summer of 2006 ..

    Well acting and what's next ..? For example, I tried to leave Kazakhstan in 2009 in Russia for this very state program for the return of compatriots. And I suffered just such a thing that the author Roman Skomorokhov describes .. And even more. As a result, he spat on everything and stayed in Kazakhstan. And I rushed to ever participate in such state programs, and by the way, others who want to go to Russia on it I advise you not to mess with her ..
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 13: 52
      -1
      but I didn’t try, but left in the same 2009
      made a decision in September 08, and on March 8, 9, moved into his home in Russia
  • AlexSam
    AlexSam 27 May 2016 14: 57
    +4
    I was born in Omsk, in Siberia, which is not in the RSFSR, then I moved to Kazakhstan with my parents and then to Ukraine ... it so happened that at the time of receiving the passport a citizen of the USSR lived in the city of Lviv. With the passport of a citizen of the USSR, I lived happily ever after, he warmed my soul (nifiga, everyone has eagles, but I have ours, my dear, hammer-sickled!) And I was not really eager to replace him with a new model passport ... but anyway, it's time to change it to Russian, and then the show began))) in the passport office they told me that since at the time of accepting something there in 1992, I did not have a permanent Russian registration, I I am a citizen of the Russian Federation ... in 1992 I couldn’t have it, because in 1989 I entered the Voronezh Polytechnic and had temporary registration at the hostel of the VPI campus, that is, at the place of residence for the period of study (after graduating from school in Lviv , I checked out there because I knew that I was leaving forever, terrible times were coming, the Nazis were given the floor to broadcast from high stands, entered the VPI, got a bed in a dormitory, registered, everything is legal) ... to my question, what citizen I’m then the state, passport office workers replied that about apparently NO, but obviously not Ukraine, since he left there in 1989, but also not Russia, since in 1992 and further on ... and I do not care that I was born in the Russian Federation, since 1989 I have been living in the Russian Federation, I have been registered since 1994 (after graduation, having moved to a place of permanent residence and work), moreover, in my own living space; the law says in black and white this way and not otherwise, and therefore I now need to apply for a residence permit, obtain temporary citizenship, and eventually get Russian citizenship ...

    here’s a story from my own life experience ... and I solved the problem of a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation as follows: I lost my passport of a citizen of the USSR, having refused the same police department in this regard, made a left reference in one of the hostels of the city, which indicated that from 1989 to 1994 I lived in it and had permanent registration ... all the formalities for 1992 were met))
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 27 May 2016 16: 40
      +1
      Quote: AlexSam
      I was born in Omsk, in Siberia, which is not in the RSFSR, then I moved to Kazakhstan with my parents and then to Ukraine ... it so happened that at the time of receiving the passport a citizen of the USSR lived in the city of Lviv. With the passport of a citizen of the USSR, I lived happily ever after, he warmed my soul (nifiga, everyone has eagles, but I have ours, my dear, hammer-sickled!) And I was not really eager to replace him with a new model passport ... but anyway, it's time to change it to Russian, and then the show began))) in the passport office they told me that since at the time of accepting something there in 1992, I did not have a permanent Russian registration, I I am a citizen of the Russian Federation ... in 1992 I couldn’t have it, because in 1989 I entered the Voronezh Polytechnic and had temporary registration at the hostel of the VPI campus, that is, at the place of residence for the period of study (after graduating from school in Lviv , I checked out there because I knew that I was leaving forever, terrible times were coming, the Nazis were given the floor to broadcast from high stands, entered the VPI, got a bed in a dormitory, registered, everything is legal) ... to my question, what citizen I’m then the state, passport office workers replied that about apparently NO, but obviously not Ukraine, since he left there in 1989, but also not Russia, since in 1992 and further on ... and I do not care that I was born in the Russian Federation, since 1989 I have been living in the Russian Federation, I have been registered since 1994 (after graduation, having moved to a place of permanent residence and work), moreover, in my own living space; the law says in black and white this way and not otherwise, and therefore I now need to apply for a residence permit, obtain temporary citizenship, and eventually get Russian citizenship ...

      here’s a story from my own life experience ... and I solved the problem of a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation as follows: I lost my passport of a citizen of the USSR, having refused the same police department in this regard, made a left reference in one of the hostels of the city, which indicated that from 1989 to 1994 I lived in it and had permanent registration ... all the formalities for 1992 were met))


      Our officials are such an infection! What is worse than leprosy
  • g1v2
    g1v2 27 May 2016 20: 33
    +2
    He made citizenship to a relative. Everything is as it should be - RVP, a year later, a residence permit, then citizenship. Two points.
    1. People make 90 percent of the problems for themselves - arrange kilometer queues, lists, night shifts. An electronic queue is needed, like in a savings bank or a pension fund. He came there, got a license plate from the car and wait for the window number to be displayed. Then people make hell. LISTS OF LENGTH TO A ROLL OF TOILET PAPER, night watch so that the left list does not appear, and so on.
    2. You need to go ONLY to the young through the window. 80 percent of women from 40 in all public institutions - complete bitching, offended by their small salaries and lack of sexual intercourse except for brains. Nitpicking, swearing, screaming. Damn I Chubais not so dislike as these bitch in the windows of government agencies. The dream is to be replaced by robots, damn it. Ales himself was when they wrapped us up, because the folder was a corner, not an envelope. Young people, as a rule, did not have time to get worried, plus they still really try to help. Twice it was when young girls spent a hour with us helping to fill in everything correctly. An elderly bitch wrapped people up after a blot or spelling mistake. I strongly hold back - a very bad woman. am
    And finally about bribes - I have never been asked or extorted a bribe for the last 10 years. Never. Damn, yes, I myself would be ready to pay the FMS employees - only so as not to stand in lines. They would say how much - I would pay. Ah no. Even conversations in the queue did not go that someone takes.
    It reminds me of how a young man in the army was usually asked - "How will we live? According to traditions or according to the charter?" And according to the charter, it turned out much more unpleasant than according to tradition. crying
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander 27 May 2016 23: 13
      +1
      Quote: g1v2
      90 percent of problems people make themselves - arrange kilometer queues, lists, night shifts. An electronic queue is needed, as in a savings bank or pension fund. He came there, got a license plate from the car and wait for the window number to be displayed


      Do you even understand what you wrote? People SAMI mustIn your opinion, organize an electronic queue and mount luminous windows? belay What nonsense!
      They are in the queues at night, because there are NO these srnh electronic windows!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 28 May 2016 07: 52
        0
        Quote: Aleksander
        Do you even understand what you wrote? Do YOU ​​people, in your opinion, organize an electronic queue and mount luminous windows? What nonsense!

        you will forgive me, but it’s you who nonsense and bear such nonsense that you get lost with the answer.
        people come without documents, but they didn’t think that they needed documents, they simply registered, etc. and so on
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 28 May 2016 00: 17
      +1
      Quote: g1v2
      You need to go ONLY to the young through the window. 80 percent of women from 40 in all public institutions - finished bitch


      Well, here's how lucky someone - from my experience is not confirmed!

      Quote: g1v2
      And finally about bribes - I have never been asked or extorted a bribe for the last 10 years. Never. Damn, yes, I myself would be ready to pay the FMS employees - only so as not to stand in lines. They would say how much - I would pay. Ah no. Even conversations in the queue did not go that someone takes.


      But this from my experience is fully confirmed - never was! And according to the Charter, it turned out much more unpleasant, because the finished United Russia bastards wrote it! am So I vote only for VVZh hi - The GDP did not do anything good to me, let Depradieu vote for it!
  • Weyland
    Weyland 28 May 2016 00: 10
    +1
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    That is, did not fall under the program of the return of compatriots?


    Valid - exclusively in depressed regions where visitors generously offer salaries 3 tyr per month (I don’t know how it is now, but in 2011, when I just moved to Russia, such generous offers came to me! am
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 May 2016 07: 55
      0
      Quote: Weyland
      Valid - exclusively in depressed regions

      again a rare nonsense, well, you at least find out before you write these nonsense
      Regions are participants in the resettlement program in 2016.

      Altay
      Amur Region
      Arkhangelsk region
      Astrakhan region
      Bryansk region
      Volgograd region
      Vologda region
      Voronezh region
      The Jewish Autonomous Region
      Trans-Baikal Territory
      Irkutsk Region
      Kaliningrad region
      Kaluga region
      Kamchatka
      Kemerovo region
      Kostroma region
      Krasnoyarsk Territory
      Kurgan region
      Leningrad Region
      Kursk region
      Lipetsk region
      Magadan region
      Murmansk region
      Nenets Autonomous Okrug
      Nizhny Novgorod region
      Novgorod region
      Novosibirsk region
      Omsk Region

      Orenburg region
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 28 May 2016 18: 40
        0
        I could be interested in this list 5 years ago, but now why - I’ve already received citizenship about a year and a half
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 May 2016 18: 53
          0
          so it is YOU who wrote that the list includes "exclusively depressed regions"
          that's why I'm interested
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  • siberalt
    siberalt 27 May 2016 10: 43
    +3
    In the final, citizenship applicants for the most part want to live in Moscow. Well, where else? laughing And what did they think for a quarter century?
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 28 May 2016 00: 20
      0
      Quote: siberalt
      And what did they think for a quarter century?


      Have you compared housing prices in Russia and Central Asia? Relocate to homeless? For a signal ... stop We arrived when we saved up money and work constant and found decent - or if it’s too hot!
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 28 May 2016 00: 20
      0
      Quote: siberalt
      And what did they think for a quarter century?


      Have you compared housing prices in Russia and Central Asia? Relocate to homeless? For a signal ... stop We arrived when we saved up money and work constant and found decent - or if it’s too hot!
    3. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 28 May 2016 00: 50
      +2
      Quote: siberalt
      In the final, citizenship applicants for the most part want to live in Moscow. Well, where else?

      This is a fact, only maskvastan or Moscow region! Well Peter yet.
      Two years ago in our region there were many refugees from the Donbass, they were accepted as relatives yes (I mean ordinary people, not officials), a year later, with the words, how the hell do you live here, 25-30% went home, and the rest settled in the capital and its environs.

      Shl. The thing is that our state does not need citizens (citizens), and even more so citizens ("visitors").
      Although a month ago there was a conversation with an Asian. I ask a question: how old?
      -19th, he says.
      What kind of citizenship, I ask
      -RF
      - ?????? 7 Why aren’t you serving in the army?
      -And I had an uncle together with sports, the soldier bought ....
      There are already no comments.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 27 May 2016 10: 52
    +2
    Dmitry Potapov
    hi
    I support completely! Although, when I returned to my homeland, I did without hell. Probably at the FMS, due to the joy of not submitting documents to Armenians, they did everything at that time decisively quickly hi
  • Selendis
    Selendis 27 May 2016 09: 32
    +7
    On a personal example, in one company a year and a few months ago, they took a girl from Donetsk 20-23 years old, a specialist at a copy center, a young but far from stupid, quickly figured out programs and equipment, could make a good career ... if It would not be the law on the return of emigrants from Ukraine. One story she remembered - a year ago, from arriving in Russia, or later, during the peak of Ukraine’s attack on the Donbass, she went to the grocery store, met a patrol of the Donetsk militia, and after half an hour of asking and explaining that she lives across the road, got her butt in the face automatic machine. And she spoke calmly - because of the situation in the DPR, it happened and worse .. Sorry for the girl, she went back
  • volot-voin
    volot-voin 27 May 2016 09: 35
    +17
    Any Russian, moreover, any Slav, must have priority rights to Russian citizenship. Wherever the Russians live, these are our people, and Russia is their mother, and must always remain their native home. (The same position for the allied peoples having their own lands on the territory of the Russian Federation)
    Quote: Dmitry Potapov
    which was characteristically non-Russian, it was easier t, they seemed to be given a discount because they were non-Russian,

    Unfortunately, the authorities are still suffering tolerance and the experience of Europe has not taught anything.
    It is stupid and irrational to scatter your people, or our birth rate has become like a machine gun and people have nowhere to go.
    1. just exp
      just exp 27 May 2016 09: 59
      +10
      Any Russian, moreover, any Slav, must have priority rights to Russian citizenship. Wherever the Russians live, these are our people, and Russia is their mother, and must always remain their native home.

      but for those who voluntarily left, I would not do such a skid. he himself decided to dump where it is warmer, instead of rebuilding the homeland, then sit there. decided on his own, left on his own, solve your own braids on your new "homeland".
      and then I saw such, then rashka worthless country - it is necessary to bring down. and how they couldn’t get a new place (they worked here at bread positions. They sat in offices solitaires talked about or were bosses in offices. They didn’t get a normal job and come back a few years later, they say lousy there and in general I love my homeland) so abruptly they remember that the Motherland owes them something and they should all be taken back.
      and they want to live in the society that others have rebuilt, while they rubbed their trousers abroad in search of "where is more satisfying."
      we are out of the way.
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 27 May 2016 10: 31
        +10
        Quote: just EXPL
        we are out of the way.


        We can say they took it off the tongue! A classmate of my friend left for the USA and has been an American citizen for seven years now. We met several times at the bachelorette parties when she came from the states. To put it mildly, this is HORROR, both internal and external! A person is clearly in his head, something is changing, she is not really Russian, she is an American, and not in the best hypostasis of this so to speak "nation"! So the big question is, do we need SUCH "Russians" ?!
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 10: 04
      +1
      Quote: volot-voin
      Any Russian, moreover, any Slav

      and was Hypozhaba Russian, and yet another pale spirochete - Kovalev?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 10: 18
        -2
        that is, the one who minus is sure that gipnozhaba need to be given citizenship ?!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 10: 33
          -2
          laugh at laughing good
    3. 30BIS
      30BIS 27 May 2016 10: 28
      +6
      I remember the time of 2014 beginning of June. In New Russia, Slavyansk, shelling, fascists. ... Sevastopol. Park near the sea. People huddle in the park. Women, children, elderly people, men (there are not many of them). In tents, some wigwams made of cardboard, polyethylene, just in the bushes in the open. They go to take water to the beach. Cooked at the stake .. Someone brought his favorite pigeons with him .. Released near the park .. A flock of sits does not fly apart. Every day there are fewer and fewer birds ... Hawks, cats, owls. No one, no one needs .. Abandoned people .. Abandoned birds .. Very not comfortable at heart! It shouldn't have been like that!
    4. Altona
      Altona 27 May 2016 10: 45
      +5
      Quote: volot-voin
      Unfortunately, the authorities are still suffering tolerance and the experience of Europe has not taught anything.
      It is stupid and irrational to scatter your people, or our birth rate has become like a machine gun and people have nowhere to go.

      -------------------
      Our authorities only need people for the election period. Then, they don’t give a damn.
      1. volot-voin
        volot-voin 27 May 2016 11: 45
        +5
        Quote: Altona
        Our authorities only need people for the election period. Then, they don’t give a damn.

        Not only to our authorities. There are elective technologies when only the "Chosen" one always wins. Remember Yeltsin's ratings when he won the elections, despite the fact that 99% of the population hated him, and wished at least that he would die soon.
    5. 97110
      97110 27 May 2016 11: 02
      +4
      Quote: volot-voin
      Unfortunately, the authorities

      All you write correctly. Only the so-called "authorities" are quite real concrete people. Which non-Russians motivate at least by their community and solidarity. I'm not talking about bribes or hinting - my mother-in-law is in the process of naturalization. It could have been faster, but, having been born near Yaroslavl, over the years she became ... with a hooded mentality. How not to miss something there. I took it out at the beginning of 2014 for the first time. A couple of months later, she ran back - she had money and an apartment there. A lonely 80 year old retired teacher - what kind of money is there! The second time, when the shelling intensified and the "grad" passed through the neighboring house, they again took them out. I would have been younger, would have run away more than once. I also know relatives and friends who settled down normally in Russia and returned at the first sign of peace. Maybe I'm wrong, but the settlers themselves often do not pound. What can not be said about the swarthy peoples of the white race. Young Armenians have appeared on the market. They gripped their teeth, thrashed - now they already have a store and several places in the rows. The Russian brothers could not divide the passenger market, they fought right up to the State Duma. One left the market, an Armenian is working instead. I do not know their problems with citizenship, we have a lot of Armenians since Catherine's times. I am writing about how people build their lives, once and for all. And about the Russian immigrants - even if the FMS workers will coward over everyone - they still decide whether to live here? And maybe somehow back to Europe? What if they give you more?
  • koralvit
    koralvit 27 May 2016 09: 38
    +13
    I completely agree with the author. I wonder why in Russia only Putin, Lavrov, and Shoigu can think. Take it a little lower, that's it. Even at the government level, independent thinking is not noticeable, which would benefit Russia. Everyone looks west, accounts in the west, children in the west. Qualified personnel began to come from Ukraine - they must be peeled off, but there is no way to help with the device.
    1. just exp
      just exp 27 May 2016 10: 07
      +6
      Russia always broke through when the belly took up over the soul. petty bureaucrats stupidly want money and for the sake of money they will do anything. all non-Russians understand that they are non-Russians and that in order to become a citizen it is necessary to give it on its paw. and the Russians know that they are Russians and bureaucrats should do their work, and not take bribes. therefore, bureaucrats love non-Russians and do not like Russians. from the first, their belly is warmer.
  • Blondy
    Blondy 27 May 2016 09: 40
    +16
    Damn, how it has shaken modern clip thinking, especially those from government agencies. "Foreign citizens - native speakers of the Russian language" - you have to come up with something like that. Do they really think that we will forget that some of our Russian citizens of the USSR living in the union republics became foreigners as a result of the betrayal of the renegade communists in power.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 27 May 2016 10: 12
      +6
      became foreigners as a result of treason by the powers that be of the renegade communists. ,,
      here, according to laws and actions, they (renegades) remained in power and close.
  • Edvagan
    Edvagan 27 May 2016 09: 42
    +18
    we must rejoice with our demographic situation that the Slavs go to us and help them in every possible way, instead of importing Uzbeks and Tajiks ....
  • Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 27 May 2016 09: 50
    +4
    There have already been mass migrations of our compatriots from Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Kyrgyzstan in our history.


    Out of nowhere? They moved from almost all the republics of the former USSR, against the backdrop of devastation and national friction. And these four countries, however, deserve a separate mention. What is such an honor? request
  • GAndr
    GAndr 27 May 2016 09: 52
    +11
    It is high time to gather your people, I mean - all the Slavs.
    Look what is happening, the country is really dominated by aliens. Moreover, these same aliens settled in high positions and they do not care for anything. Of course, it makes no sense for them to facilitate the return of the Russians home. He would have expressed himself more strongly, but now everyone is touchy, they will still be accused of extremism and incitement.
    And if it’s real, then I take off my hat to the Jews, that’s where you need to learn how to gather your people home.
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 27 May 2016 09: 52
    +5
    Wow! And it is not Russian immigrants from the Caucasus and Central Asia who receive citizenship quickly and easily, why what
    This is what a clear organization means: a mediator and a denyuzhka - a Russian in a month. And nothing happens with it. In "Vesti-FM", for example, how many iaz were broadcast live on this topic throughout the country, and what? Are they really collecting taxes from bribes to the treasury and are they afraid to lose such an important source of budget formation?
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 27 May 2016 09: 52
    +7
    Our entire bureaucratic system is a "corruption and extortionary pool".
    This is just a special case, one of many. And nothing that most of our laws are intentionally written so that nothing is clear, so that there is a double interpretation and a direct possibility of "extorting"? And the one who is stronger and who has more dough is always right! And we have been living like this for 25 years! So why be surprised?
  • Victorio
    Victorio 27 May 2016 09: 53
    +1
    the problems of obtaining citizenship abroad, through consulates, are much smaller in the Baltic republics for sure. but in Russia they already exist, everything is at the mercy of local bureaucrats
    1. bocsman
      bocsman 27 May 2016 10: 21
      0
      Quote: Victorio
      the problems of obtaining citizenship abroad, through consulates, are much smaller in the Baltic republics for sure. but in Russia they already exist, everything is at the mercy of local bureaucrats


      I will add when you receive Russian citizenship abroad, you sign a commitment that you will not live in Russia! So the brothers are Slavs. And here we are enemies and are not needed at home!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 10: 27
        -1
        Quote: bocsman
        receiving Russian citizenship abroad, you sign an obligation that you will not live in Russia!
        how tiresome, YOU PERSONALLY RECEIVED CITIZENSHIP OF THE RF ABROAD? !!!
        Do you seriously think that by writing such a receipt you will not be able to enter and live in Russia ?!
    2. Starover
      Starover 27 May 2016 10: 41
      +2
      And what then do you, in the Baltic republics, have so many "non-citizens" living?
  • skedlof
    skedlof 27 May 2016 10: 01
    +10
    all right, from Lithuania and Latvia several (up to ten) friends tried to return to Russia. naturally, it didn’t work out - there’s no work to be found, there’s nothing to live on until there is no reg and citizenship. then they said angrily that it was natural to have some kind of deception, without money it was unrealistic, got lost and drove back.
    ... and went to England, oddly enough, it is easier for a Russian from some former republics of the USSR to go west than to return to his homeland.
    paradox - in Russia I constantly hear, they say, from the Baltic countries from a third to half of the population left for Europe, but did anyone ever think who these people are? Really Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians? no matter how, the Russians and Russian-speaking people who are really sick of the local idiotic Russophobia are leaving the Baltic States in droves.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 10: 08
      +1
      Quote: skedlof
      all right, from Lithuania and Latvia several (up to ten) friends tried to return to Russia. naturally, it didn’t work out - there’s no work to be found, there’s nothing to live on until there is no reg and citizenship. then they said angrily that it was natural to have some kind of deception, without money it was unrealistic, got lost and drove back.

      but I arrived without any problems, and the problems that I saw with the same ones as I were 99% due to their fault
      1. skedlof
        skedlof 27 May 2016 10: 16
        +4
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        but I arrived without any problems, and the problems that I saw with the same ones as I were 99% due to their fault


        oh well, friends all settled in england, 40-50kf, buying houses, families starting up - so everything is in order with them, what do you think? but in Russia for some reason they couldn’t do anything, what is their fault?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 10: 18
          -3
          Quote: skedlof
          no money unreal

          They settled in LANDON without money ?! wassat
          don’t make people laugh, either they hang noodles for you, or you’re the rest of her
          1. skedlof
            skedlof 27 May 2016 10: 31
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Quote: skedlof
            no money unreal

            They settled in LANDON without money ?! wassat
            don’t make people laugh, either they hang noodles for you, or you’re the rest of her


            I repeat again, if you did not understand from the first:

            naturally, it didn’t work out - there’s no work to be found, there’s nothing to live on until there is no reg and citizenship. then they said angrily that it was natural to have some kind of deception, without money it was unrealistic, got lost and drove back.


            Yes, we went to England and the work was almost immediately. it is clear that in order to rise, both local courses and diplomas were needed. I’m not saying that everything was at once ... and Moscow was not built right away. why grin?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 10: 34
              -2
              Quote: skedlof
              Yes, we went to England and the work was almost immediately. it is clear that both courses and local diplomas were needed. I’m not saying that everything was at once and Moscow was not built right away. why grin?

              all the same, they drove you to the ears, went to England, lived on what if there was nothing to live in Russia ?!
              1. skedlof
                skedlof 27 May 2016 10: 41
                +3
                Are you really that kind of felt boots or are you trolling me here? I have described the situation well enough, if you do not understand the first time, read it several times. say goodbye to sim.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 10: 45
                  -2
                  well, rudeness is yes
                  what you described, arrived, there’s nothing to live on, no work, no citizenship, you went to England with grief right away, but afterwards they wrote that it took time for the courses and something else, so I understand that all this lived in LandOne at the station
                  you hold all the idiots ?!
                  I also came to the Russian Federation from the former republic and I know the kitchen from the inside
  • YGV-97219
    YGV-97219 27 May 2016 10: 02
    +5
    From the beginning, grandfather Lenin cut us off from Russia, then Ebun and his comrades decided to become independent from us, now we are used as a lever of influence on the countries of our current residence, and so we live!
    1. Starover
      Starover 27 May 2016 10: 52
      +4
      This grandfather, who cut off and distributed a lot of things from Russia, probably wanted to be a good one for those whom he was distributing. And they, as a token of gratitude, demolish monuments to him. Like, we don’t know anything, nobody gave us anything, it always has been.
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 27 May 2016 11: 03
      -2
      Quote: yugv-xnumx
      From the beginning, grandfather Lenin cut us off from Russia

      What did he cut off there?
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      2. Weyland
        Weyland 28 May 2016 01: 50
        0
        Quote: sa-ag
        What did he cut off there?

        All so-called "union republics", with pieces of primordially Russian territories:
        New Russia, Pytalovsky district, Narva, Western and Northern Kazakhstan (the beginning of Kazakhstan's accession to Russia - 1731; Guryev built, EMNIP, at 1620m, Semipalatinsk and Ust-Kamenogorsk - in 1720)
        1. YGV-97219
          YGV-97219 28 May 2016 13: 36
          0
          I would add Uralsk here the year of foundation 1584! and Guryev (small adjustment) was founded in 1640!
        2. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 28 May 2016 14: 18
          0
          Quote: Weyland
          Northern Kazakhstan (the beginning of the accession of Kazakhstan to Russia - 1731
          Yakim, in such a miraculous way, "the annexation of Kazakhstan to Russia - 1731 suggests that these are" primordially Russian territories " laughing?
          And I'm thinking, here are the names - Abulkhair, Ablai, Tauke .. well, it really blows with the native-Russian spirit .. Such simple old Russian names .. crying good
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 28 May 2016 18: 55
            0
            Quote: Alibekulu
            Yakim, in such a miraculous way, "the annexation of Kazakhstan to Russia - 1731 suggests that these are" primordially Russian territories


            What's so incomprehensible? fool All these cities are founded. BEFORE 1731 - i.e. in those times it was never Kazakh territory!
            1. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu 29 May 2016 08: 31
              0
              Quote: Weyland
              it was never a Kazakh territory!



              laughing Whose thenrepeat ?
  • domokl
    domokl 27 May 2016 10: 04
    +3
    It is necessary to clearly distinguish between those who came to permanent residence and those who are sitting out from the war. That's all. To obtain citizenship, you need to simplify the system as much as possible. and, most importantly, why Russians from Ukraine are kept as a "settlement" for the duration of all these cultural excursions among officials. Daily check, absence of all and all kinds of documents, which means that work on the same conditions as gaster-illegals ...
    I agree, you can limit the resettlement. We put in addition to Moscow and St. Petersburg .. But in the regions of the land of the sea. Outside the Urals, as many people as you can can be resettled. Yes, you’ll have to spend a little bit .. But .. the Russians don’t abandon their own trees, stick trees ...
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 27 May 2016 10: 12
    +4
    Yes, even indigenous Russians do not need us anyway ...
    So not surprised at all.
    Maybe you should take a closer look at the nationality of those who manage this at the grassroots level?
    I do not want to rekindle of course, but there are certain suspicions.
    Anyway, how many nishtyak officials have accumulated?
    In fact, they themselves have long been no longer citizens of our country.
    She told them so, purely feeding trough.
  • Nasty
    Nasty 27 May 2016 10: 25
    +7
    I went to study in Kazakhstan. During the collapse of the Union, this n ... s, Nazarbayev, without asking me, gave Kazakh citizenship !!! To me, a Russian !!! (the passports were in the department, in the "safe", the seal was put and that's all. I did not hear or hear) Then there were problems ... When I reached the age when I need to change my passport, I was told - how are you lived, your passport is not valid! You are not a citizen of the Russian Federation or a citizen of Kazakhstan. There were also problems. Well, the passport officer was wonderful - she solved the problem in 10 days. What I mean. She says: "I came down from the mountains, postponed the sawn-off shotgun, and after 3 months a citizen of the Russian Federation." The Slavs need to be given the most favored nation treatment, to simplify the acquisition of citizenship. To all the rest, make it as difficult as possible, because it is not fig. Introduce visas, we have not yet grown to Schengen. Excluding Belarus and Ukraine. (A friend in the USA asked if it was easy to get US citizenship. He replied that it was almost impossible) This is my position, I will not move.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 10: 31
      -1
      Quote: Nasty
      (the passports were in the department, they put a seal in the "safe" and that's all. I have neither hearing nor spirit)

      What is it like?! belay in which safe? !!!!
      Quote: Nasty
      Upon reaching the age when I needed to change my passport, they told me - how did you live, your passport is not valid! You are not a citizen of the Russian Federation nor a citizen of Kazakhstan

      didn’t you look at your passport ?!
      In addition, if you have a stamp in your passport (Soviet) on the citizenship of the Republic of Kazakhstan, then why are you a citizen of the Republic of Kazakhstan, some nonsense
      1. Nasty
        Nasty 27 May 2016 10: 36
        +2
        It is said. It was.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 10: 37
          -2
          Quote: Nasty
          It is said. It was

          what was said that the passport in the safe?
      2. Bulrumeb
        Bulrumeb 27 May 2016 11: 43
        +1
        Because Opposite was most likely not studying at a civilian university, I had the same thing, they took my passport, issued it after graduation, though they didn’t put a stamp
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 11: 54
          -3
          Quote: Bulrumeb
          received a passport

          sorry for the harshness this is your stupidity and NOT KNOWLEDGE OF LAWS
  • Denis56rus
    Denis56rus 27 May 2016 10: 28
    +4
    In Samara, he sold watermelon, talked with Tajiks 150000 thousand worth a passport and citizenship. one summer in the market and a passport in your pocket
  • vanavatny
    vanavatny 27 May 2016 10: 44
    +4
    I’ll gladden it a year ago: it was people (Russians) moving with belongings (cupboard, washing machine, TV, etc.) paid for the container, the way, and here: customs clearance and a price tag ... and everyone is not sure by law that now that has changed, it’s good if the official is a person on the spot, and not with the press, if not, then you’ll buy your own horseradish
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 10: 48
      -2
      if under the resettlement program something like that, customs clearance is free, the railway container is paid
      1. Bulrumeb
        Bulrumeb 27 May 2016 11: 40
        +2
        and where did you see this? First try to move out of the resettlement program
        1. vanavatny
          vanavatny 27 May 2016 11: 42
          +1
          I don’t remember the details, I remember only the woman was crying - nobody warned them about anything
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 11: 52
            -4
            Quote: vanavate
            nobody warned them about anything

            Sorry, but a woman doesn’t know how to read ?!
            maybe before going to study the laws, read the documents ?!
            in classmates, everything freezes up and no one has access to the FMS website
            1. vanavatny
              vanavatny 27 May 2016 11: 58
              +5
              maybe brains, maybe the Internet, maybe embassies - anything: the Russians go to Russia with a set of furniture, dishes, a TV and a washer, what the hell should they spit in the face? Are they dragging a container of household appliances? meet them, leave them their junk and work with people and help them: do you have any circumstances, or again, just slogans ... drafted to complicate?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 12: 02
                -3
                Quote: vanavate
                maybe brains, maybe internet, maybe embassies - yes anything

                good excuse
                Quote: vanavate
                Russians go to Russia with a set of furniture, utensils, a TV and a washer, what the hell should they spit in the face?

                Do you think that the requirement to comply with customs legislation is a spit in the face ?!
                Quote: vanavate
                who knows what circumstances, and then again only slogans ... to hell complicate?

                no one complicates anything, there is a law in the country and it needs to be followed if you haven’t bothered to find out the laws of the country, then you shouldn’t blame everyone around
                1. vanavatny
                  vanavatny 27 May 2016 12: 09
                  +1
                  But can it make the law more sane? Or it’s always sticking the fifth wheel to the cart or sticks inserted into it, why does the person need to clear up his old TV, or plates of his grandmother?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 12: 14
                    -4
                    Quote: vanavate
                    But can make the law more sane?

                    cancel customs payments? !!
                    Quote: vanavate
                    is that why a person needs to clear up his old TV, or plates of his grandmother?

                    I’m lazy to explain the word, EVERYONE and not immigrants will carry you tomorrow under BU things, and you prove that these are not their personal things
                    1. vanavatny
                      vanavatny 27 May 2016 13: 16
                      +1
                      that is, if in Russia even 1000 old, contraband sofas appear, is that all, khan to us? Is it not migrants who is it? Well, they’ll bring rubbish and what? Belarusian oysters, supposedly Russian cheese (contrabass from non-stocking) and anything else anyone needs is tightened up if the Russian brings with him not one but two televisions, or the only one he sells, exported from some kind of uzbekistan, then what? mighty wave of immigrants bring down the economy in a muddy stream of double bass?
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 13: 19
                        -2
                        Quote: vanavate
                        that is, if in Russia even 1000 old, contraband sofas appear, is that all, khan to us?

                        I think our sofas will not be lucky, in addition, others will be transported under this sauce
                        Quote: vanavate
                        then what? mighty wave of immigrants bring down the economy in a muddy stream of double bass?

                        the conversation is not about that at all, there is a law today and it needs to be executed, but type of drooling and tear, I didn’t read, I didn’t think, sorry, I’m not serious
                      2. vanavatny
                        vanavatny 27 May 2016 13: 30
                        +1
                        Dura lex, sed lex, who would argue, but when we write laws for people, we only mean the need to implement them, I just was not too lazy to clarify with a friend - this is not an isolated case when people are not aware of this customs clearance: it means our flaw, since we shout that we are welcome home, then efforts should be made that before me the described case, then people are elderly from some kind of Uzbek hole and there are many
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 18: 50
                        0
                        Quote: vanavate
                        when people do not know about this customs clearance: then this is our defect

                        Sorry, this is a jamb of visitors, when you go to the country you MUST KNOW the basic rules of stay
                        Quote: vanavate
                        since we shout that welcome home

                        according to the program of resettlement of compatriots, there is NO customs clearance, more precisely, it is, but there is no need to pay customs duties
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 27 May 2016 12: 29
            +6
            There is something to think about, is not it?

            Quote: vanavate
            maybe brains, maybe the Internet, maybe embassies - anything: the Russians go to Russia with a set of furniture, dishes, a TV and a washer, what the hell should they spit in the face? Are they dragging a container of household appliances? meet them, leave them their junk and work with people and help them: do you have any circumstances, or again, just slogans ... drafted to complicate?

            Zhilinovsky is right, a hundred times right, saying, Every Russian has the right to return to his great Motherland and obtain citizenship in a week, after the necessary checks. Right! Because any Russian who thinks in Russian must have the right to birth in his homeland .
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 12: 46
              -1
              Quote: NEXUS
              Because the right to live in their homeland, any Russian who thinks in Russian should have the right to birth.
              Lyudmila Mikhailovna Alekseeva

              Are you seriously claiming that this snow maiden needed to be let in ?!
              1. vanavatny
                vanavatny 27 May 2016 13: 41
                +1
                oh angry you angry Well, nobody knew that it would not die or drown, and even that fashion was then
              2. NEXUS
                NEXUS 27 May 2016 13: 43
                +2
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Are you seriously claiming that this snow maiden needed to be let in ?!

                Do you seriously argue that, for example, these people deserve the right to be called citizens of the Russian Federation?
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 27 May 2016 13: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Do you seriously argue that, for example, these people deserve the right to be called citizens of the Russian Federation?

                  A lot of them
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 13: 50
                  0
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Do you seriously affirm

                  God bless you, I’ll say more I think that the article that you can’t deprive the citizenship of the Russian Federation is harmful and not true

                  By the way, and when I said this, I was talking about "claiming that, for example, these people deserve the right to be called citizens of the Russian Federation"?
              3. Weyland
                Weyland 28 May 2016 01: 15
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Are you seriously claiming that this snow maiden needed to be let in ?!


                Read a little higher, it is said:
                Quote: NEXUS
                in a weekafter necessary checks.


                To check out this snow maiden am and one day would be enough! laughing
              4. Weyland
                Weyland 28 May 2016 01: 15
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Are you seriously claiming that this snow maiden needed to be let in ?!


                Read a little higher, it is said:
                Quote: NEXUS
                in a weekafter necessary checks.


                To check out this snow maiden am and one day would be enough! laughing
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 11: 50
      -1
      Quote: Bulrumeb
      and where did you see this? First try to move out of the resettlement program

      Well, actually, I left RK on it and entered Russia, and most importantly, I’ve seen and know
      and you (PERSONALLY) excuse this program used ?!
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 18: 47
    0
    that's honest
    Well, take courage who minus for a specific koment, well, just interesting
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 27 May 2016 10: 50
    +2
    Well, yep, this is a matter of national priorities. In 1988, 4.8 million people lived in Israel. From 1989 to 1995, he accepted and poorly-well equipped 700 thousand people from the USSR. The percentage of new citizens count for yourself.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 27 May 2016 10: 52
    +3
    Yes, not everything is so bad with the "visiting Russians", you can no longer hear that "real Russians" somewhere in a village near Omsk burned down the house of immigrant sorcerers because their tomatoes ripened in the garden, and not in the room. Or burned alive for having a refrigerator and a sideboard. And that is already progress.
    Maybe because in the Russian villages a little wiser, or maybe because now almost nobody is going to the villages from the immigrants.
    1. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 27 May 2016 11: 38
      +3
      and in the first place it was like that when we moved and started building a house, following the tracks of a half-village at night we went to see what was being done and how laughing
  • def89
    def89 27 May 2016 10: 54
    +1
    Namesake!!! I cannot make a grandmother of 88 years old a citizen of Russia, so far only a residence permit. They transported it 5 years ago. I completely agree with you about the problems of the FMS. And at the expense of the points of the settlers ... Dig into the news about Ukrainian refugees in the Murmansk region where I live. Their arrogance has no limits !!!! Wrong job, wrong housing !!!! In Apatity last year they went to a rally in front of the administration !!!! You see, they do not like the living conditions and the work that they are offered !!!! Local, mostly miners, almost crippled them. Even riot police with SOBR from Murmansk called. In Murmansk itself, an incident when, after all the time periods, it was necessary to leave the temporary accommodation center, some of the Ukrainian refugees refused. Given that they provided housing, work, which many Murmansk residents do not have, benefits, humanitarian aid, and the primary admission of children to kindergarten and school. And we have a child recorded kindergarten for 2 years, i.e. right after birth! Given the fact that the Murmansk region did not receive federal financial support from the center, like other regions !!!
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 27 May 2016 11: 09
    +4
    Quote: siberalt
    In the final, citizenship applicants for the most part want to live in Moscow. Well, where else? laughing And what did they think for a quarter century?

    First: he came to Moscow just like the whole of Central Asia to earn money. Second: I wrote what I did through acquaintances, and I got acquaintances in Russia in Moscow, if you think that you can stick into the FMS on the issue of citizenship directly without friends (this was at least in the middle of the zero), then I feel sorry for you. Third: Do you think it’s easy to make a decision to move to another country knowing that no one needs you and there will be no roof over your head (meaning a full-fledged move with shmaty and furniture)? I made this decision after an unsuccessful personal life (I took a linen change with me and $ 100 at all times to get back) and there was nothing left to lose. And yet, the seeming ease of life in Moscow is very deceiving, I know a lot of people who disappeared along the way, I asked someone who got sick, who died, who came back with grief in half, he was on the verge of bombing, deportation, his hands fell, but survived.
  • Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 27 May 2016 11: 21
    +1
    Many of my interlocutors there, abroad, are often stopped by the lack of relatives who can give temporary refuge and provide this damned registration.

    at present, relatives are not at all eager to register someone else on their living space. I know a family who have been married for 17 years and seem to live together, but the husband’s wife doesn’t even register temporarily in his apartment, he says so just in case. So these are spouses, and what can we say about distant relatives
  • Heimdall47
    Heimdall47 27 May 2016 11: 33
    +2
    In Russia, we would have to decide for a start - who are the Russians and return the "nationality" column in the passport. Now real concepts are hidden under bullshit terms - "Russian-speaking", "Russian world", etc. It looks sad.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 11: 39
      -1
      Do you think Russian is a nationality ?!
      1. Heimdall47
        Heimdall47 27 May 2016 11: 47
        +3
        If you think not, then tell me who am I then? All Russians are native. Well, are we all non-national? Sad crying
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 11: 56
          -2
          Quote: Heimdall47
          If you believe not

          I don’t expect it. I know that it could be called Great Russian nationality, but Russians certainly aren’t, by the way in the Republic of Ingushetia Great Russians of Belarusians and Little Russians were included in Russians.
          if Russian is a nationality then Pushkin is definitely not Russian like many others
          Who am I then?
          no idea
          1. Heimdall47
            Heimdall47 27 May 2016 12: 51
            +2
            , one could call nationality - Great Russian, but Russians certainly do not.

            This, dear, is called ordinary verbiage. This is not provable and is purely your Wishlist. And Russian is a nationality and Great Russian is a nationality and it is one and the same.
            Pushkin is definitely not Russian

            And Pushkin is Russian. 1/8 of the Negro blood in it is washed away and redeemed by the overwhelming stream of pillar noble Russian blood.
            no idea

            And without your concepts I know that I am Russian. And you are probably not quite laughing With which I congratulate you.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 12: 58
              -2
              Quote: Heimdall47
              This, dear, is called ordinary verbiage.

              But what are you interested in reading the definitions of nation and nationality for fun, and after that we will discuss or you think the Yusupov princes as Slavs, or maybe Kolchak, you read for the sake of interest how many Russian nobles, learned artists do not have Slavic roots
              Quote: Heimdall47
              And Pushkin is Russian. 1/8 black blood in it is washed away and redeemed

              especially liked the redeemed
              let’s leave Pushkin, in me flows Polish, Cossack and Great Russian blood, who am I by nationality?
              Quote: Heimdall47
              And without your concepts I know that I'm Russian

              I’m happy for you, but I consider myself Russian, although only half of the Great Russian blood in me
              1. Heimdall47
                Heimdall47 27 May 2016 13: 21
                +3
                interesting read the definition of nation and nationality

                This whole rubbish - nation, nationality, numerous definitions of this came up with the Jews and the French. In order for an honest simple person to obscure consciousness.
                There is one normal concept - people. From a simple Russian word - "kind". Those. a people is a community of people by blood.
                Here Shulgin wrote (I can be mistaken in the accuracy of the wording, since I am writing from memory) that people are a community of people united by relatively closely related ties.
                In my opinion - a good, accurate definition.
                you think the Yusupov princes are Slavs, or maybe Kolchak, for the sake of interest, you read how many Russian nobles, learned artists do not have Slavic roots

                I don’t know who to consider them. I believe that belonging to a nation does not depend on the roots (although it also depends on them), but on the racial, behavioral, cultural characteristics of the individual in the aggregate.
                In general, the issue is complex and how two or two is not solved.
                Polish, Cossack and Great Russian blood flows in me, who am I by nationality?

                Well, since all this is obviously the same thing, I believe that you belong to the Russian people. Very happy for you in turn laughing
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 13: 25
                  -1
                  Quote: Heimdall47
                  This whole rubbish - nation, nationality, numerous definitions of this came up with the Jews and the French. In order for an honest simple person to obscure consciousness.

                  then do not use these terms or give your definition
                  1. Heimdall47
                    Heimdall47 27 May 2016 13: 35
                    +2
                    then do not use these terms or give your definition

                    I would not use it, but the word "nationality" for most people means a person's blood belonging to some nation. I have not yet met another. I readily believe that there is a cunning definition behind this term (and more than one), and this word is not really what most people think.
                    But I do not want to engage in casuistry, and I use a common sense in terms.
                    For me - a people, nationality is one and the same and means blood kinship of a group of people. What is a nation? This is probably a broader concept that does not imply consanguinity. Therefore, you can use the phrase "Russian nation".
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 13: 51
                      -1
                      Quote: Heimdall47
                      means the blood affiliation of a person to some people

                      that is ethnic?
                      1. Heimdall47
                        Heimdall47 27 May 2016 14: 04
                        +1
                        that is ethnic?

                        Probably so. And what - the Russian language is not enough to describe this issue?
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 14: 07
                        +1
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        Probably so. And what - the Russian language is not enough to describe this issue?

                        once again Novodvorskaya spoke Russian and I think everything is fine with the ethnic component, are you sure that she is Russian
                      3. Heimdall47
                        Heimdall47 27 May 2016 14: 14
                        +1
                        once again Novodvorskaya spoke Russian and I think everything is fine with the ethnic component, are you sure that she is Russian

                        Russian is not an order and not a mark of quality. This is a formal concept describing the racial and cultural characteristics of a person.
                        On the face, it’s Russian. I don’t know her pedigree. At the same time, she is sick all over her head. Yes - among the Russians, too, there are those, oddly enough.
                        But if we talk about the cultural side - Novodvorskaya is hardly Russian.
                      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 15: 04
                        -1
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        pissing racial and cultural human features.

                        But if the CULTURAL features are different ?!
                        if Russia is not the motherland?
                      5. Heimdall47
                        Heimdall47 27 May 2016 15: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        pissing racial and cultural human features.

                        But if the CULTURAL features are different ?!
                        if Russia is not the motherland?

                        You ask very difficult questions. I believe that it is impossible to give an answer that will solve all situations in advance. Here it is necessary to build on the context - a specific person.
                        Personally, my template opinion (it may not cover all the many problems):
                        If a person has a typical Slavic appearance and the Russian language is native to him in the second generation, he is Russian.
                        Of course there are numerous exceptions. Offhand - General Kornilov for example.

                        Conversations - "he loves Russia, Stalin, Putin, whether he dances squatting or not" have nothing to do with clarifying belonging to the Russian people. Because this is not an ephemeral concept - it is blood relationship. And nothing can cross him out.
                      6. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 15: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        Of course there are numerous exceptions.

                        that is legally indefinable?
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        Because this is not an ephemeral concept - it is a consanguinity
                        But what about Kornilov ?!
                        or is there a consanguinity no longer counts ?!
                        By the way, why didn’t Kornilov please you?
                      7. Heimdall47
                        Heimdall47 27 May 2016 15: 49
                        0
                        that is legally indefinable?

                        Not a lawyer, but a mathematician. smile Therefore, I don’t know what it means “legally not definable”.
                        Any rule has a bunch of exceptions.
                        But what about Kornilov ?!

                        What is Kornilov? I wrote that Kornilov, for example, is the very exception. It's just that his name crossed my mind when he wrote.
                        By the way, why didn’t Kornilov please you?

                        He pleased me all, just his mother was a Kazakh and in his face he was a Mongoloid. At the same time, my personal language will not turn to call it non-Russian. Nor does it fall under my definition. Therefore, I brought it as an exception.
                      8. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 16: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        Any rule has a bunch of exceptions.

                        fucking you are a mathematician, there are not many exceptions or there is a definition of basic conditions
                        and if, as you propose to make a "bunch of exceptions" for the LAW, then it will already be the law, and a brown, smelly substance
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        from just his name occurred to me when he wrote.

                        Hmm, that is, you recognized the person as not Russian because it took you a head, and now imagine that such a thing will come to the head of the FMS employee regarding you
                        Quote: Heimdall47
                        He pleased me all, just his mother was a Kazakh and in his face he was a Mongoloid.

                        that is, again, under the category to which you and your supporters are inclined, he still doesn’t fall, well, neither is he thoroughbred, by the way, is another example Catherine 2 is Russian or not, Bagration is a Russian general or not? !!!!!
                      9. atalef
                        atalef 27 May 2016 16: 22
                        +2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        By the way, another example is Catherine 2 Russian or not,

                        of course not
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Bagration Russian general or not

                        Russian general, Georgian.
                        Bagration
                        Prince Peter Ivanovich Bagration (Georgian груз ივანეს ძე ბაგრატიონი; 1765 - September 12 (24), 1812) - Russian[2] Infantry general, chief of the Life Guards of the Jaeger Regiment, commander in chief of the 2nd Western Army at the beginning of the Patriotic War of 1812. The elder brother of Lieutenant General Prince R. I. Bagration, uncle of Lieutenant General P. R. Bagration.
                        Representative of a side branch of the Georgian royal house of Bagration. The branch of the Kartli princes of Bagration (ancestors of Pyotr Ivanovich) was included in the number of Russian-princely clans on October 4, 1803, with the approval by the emperor Alexander I of the seventh part of the Common Herbovik.

                        Tsarevich Alexander (Isaac-beg) Iessevich, the late son of the Kartlian king Jesse, left for Russia in 1759 due to disagreements with the ruling Georgian family and served as a lieutenant colonel in the Caucasian division.
                      10. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 16: 40
                        0
                        Quote: atalef
                        Russian general, Georgian.

                        So everything is so Russian or Georgian ?!
                      11. atalef
                        atalef 27 May 2016 17: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Quote: atalef
                        Russian general, Georgian.

                        So everything is so Russian or Georgian ?!

                        Whatever Russian is native (I mean the language)
                        Russian (this place of residence), Georgians - nationality.
                      12. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 17: 11
                        +1
                        Jew, definitely wassat
                  2. Weyland
                    Weyland 28 May 2016 02: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    Russian general, Georgian.


                    Yes your he your laughing
                    Bagration - Georgian (junior) branch Armenian royal the Bagratuni clan - only there is a legend in this clan that they are the descendants of King Solomon, "rooted out" by the Assyrians (the Assyrians did not reach Georgia, but Armenia - in the sense, historical, west of Lake Van - was crushed). These are 2 southern tribes Nebuchadnezzar "rooted out" in the capital Babylon, and 10 northern years, 130 years before him, Shalmaneser scattered everywhere - they still cannot find ...
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                2. Heimdall47
                  Heimdall47 27 May 2016 16: 37
                  +1
                  I do not agree with you. You seem to misunderstand what I'm writing.

                  Here, as an approximation of points, there is a given initial set of points (people), and we need to obtain a function of a certain type from these points and construct a graph from it.
                  After that, a certain number of starting points will not get to the constructed function graph. And for each of this point it is necessary to decide whether it is Russian or not.

                  I gave a rule (function), which, in my opinion, most accurately describes the solution to the problem - who is Russian and who is not.
                  There are exceptions to this. Kornilov is not a Slavic appearance and his mother’s Russian is not native. According to him, one must separately decide who he is.
                  one example is Catherine 2 Russian or not, Bagration is a Russian general or not? !!!!!

                  Of course not. Why are they Russian? One German, another Georgian. This does not detract from their merits. Being German or Georgian is not at all shameful.
                3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 16: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Heimdall47
                  Being German or Georgian is no shame

                  no one wrote about this, do not distort
                  Quote: Heimdall47
                  Why are they Russian?

                  and here is what Catherine herself wrote
                  I have the honor of being RUSSIAN, I am proud of this, I will defend my homeland with my tongue, pen and sword - as long as I have enough life.
                  so who will we consider her ?!
                  But what about Bagration? After all, it is written everywhere that he is a RUSSIAN general
                4. Heimdall47
                  Heimdall47 27 May 2016 16: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Quote: Heimdall47
                  Being German or Georgian is no shame

                  no one wrote about this, do not distort
                  Quote: Heimdall47
                  Why are they Russian?

                  and here is what Catherine herself wrote
                  I have the honor of being RUSSIAN, I am proud of this, I will defend my homeland with my tongue, pen and sword - as long as I have enough life.
                  so who will we consider her ?!
                  But what about Bagration? After all, it is written everywhere that he is a RUSSIAN general

                  Well, you know, it is likely that pleading guilty is not absolute evidence. Similarly, here - no one is interested in personal opinion if there are compelling arguments that contradict this.
                  You can consider yourself Napoleon, you can Russian, you can black. Catherine was German in Russian service. The Empress is also a service.
                  But what about Bagration? After all, it is written everywhere that he is a RUSSIAN general

                  You kind of wrote above
                  Prince Peter Ivanovich Bagration (Georgian პეტრე ივანეს ძე ბაგრატიონი; 1765 - September 12 (24), 1812) - Russian [2] general

                  Russian is not Russian. Chechens are also Russians. Will we write in Ramzan’s russians now?
                5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 17: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Heimdall47
                  Similarly, here - no one is interested in personal opinion if there are compelling arguments that contradict this

                  it turns out that Kornilov is not Russian?
                  Quote: Heimdall47
                  Russian is not Russian. Chechens are also Russians.

                  Did we really talk about Russianness ?!
              2. atalef
                atalef 27 May 2016 17: 12
                +2
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                and here is what Catherine herself wrote
                I have the honor of being RUSSIAN, I am proud of this, I will defend my homeland with my tongue, pen and sword - as long as I have enough life.

                And if the Tajik says it tomorrow - do you agree with this too?
                And here comes an application for Russian citizenship from a citizen
                Sofia Frederick Augusta Anhalt-Zerbst was born on April 21 (May 2), 1729 in the German city of Stettin - the capital of Pomerania (now Szczecin, Poland).
                Father, Christian Augustus of Anhalt-Zerbst, came from the Zerbst-Dornburg line of the Anhalt House and served in the service of the Prussian king, was a regimental commander, commandant, then governor of the city of Stettin, where the future empress was born and ran for the dukes of Courland, but unsuccessfully , finished the service by the Prussian Field Marshal. Mother - Johannes Elizabeth, from the Gottorp ruler’s house, was the cousin of the future Peter III. The family tree of Johannes Elizabeth dates back to Christian I, king of Denmark, Norway and Sweden, the first duke of Schleswig-Holstein and the founder of the Oldenburg dynasty.
                and says, give citizenship, and you answer her with such personal data, only a visa for 30 days, with mandatory registration with the Department of Internal Affairs at the place of residence
                laughing
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                But what about Bagration? After all, it is written everywhere that he is a RUSSIAN general

                Russian, look in the encyclopedia.
              3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 17: 17
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                Do you agree with this too?

                say what and where will you poke ?!
                are you dumb or with an understanding of the problem ?!
                I'm talking about the need to determine Russianness, and you ditch
              4. atalef
                atalef 27 May 2016 17: 32
                +1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                say what and where will you poke ?!

                I myself know how and where to poke you
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                are you dumb or with an understanding of the problem ?!

                Actually, I'm smart and I understand the problem better than you.
                Russian living in any country and wishing to return to his historical homeland - must have the right to this, with instant citizenship and lifting for the first time -
                Are you against probably because you are a little Russian.
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                I'm talking about the need to determine Russianness, and you ditch

                I don’t know what criteria you decided to choose for your concept - Russianness.
                It is enough for me if a person says “RUSSIAN” in the birth certificate or passport of a person.
                Everything, nothing more is required.
              5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 17: 38
                0
                Quote: atalef
                Russian living in any country and wishing to return to his historical homeland - must have the right to this, with instant citizenship and lifting for the first time -

                It is still a diagnosis, how to determine Russianness among those living in the USA ?!
                I myself know how and where to poke you

                yeah, with the Russian general already poked at the very top
              6. atalef
                atalef 27 May 2016 17: 43
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Quote: atalef
                Russian living in any country and wishing to return to his historical homeland - must have the right to this, with instant citizenship and lifting for the first time -

                It is still a diagnosis, how to determine Russianness among those living in the USA ?!
                I myself know how and where to poke you

                yeah, with the Russian general already poked at the very top

                Vova, do not choke with saliva from anger.
                Well this is necessary Vasilenko trying to determine the creteria of Russianness laughing
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 17: 37
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Russian, look in the encyclopedia.

          RUSSIAN, slaughter it on your hunchbacked nose, and put Russianness in the ass, along with modern EG

          TSB
          Bagration I Bagration
          Peter Ivanovich (1765 - 12 (24) .9.1812), prince, Russian general from infantry (1809), a hero of the Patriotic War of 1812. Born in the city of Kizlyar in the family of a colonel from an old Georgian princely family. In military service since 1782. He served in the Caucasus, participated in the Russian-Turkish war of 1787–91 and the Polish campaign of 1793–94. In the Italian and Swiss campaigns of A.V. Suvorov in 1799, with the rank of major general, he commanded the vanguard and distinguished himself in all major battles. During the war with France, 1805–07, leading the rearguard of the Russian army, distinguished himself at Shengraben, Preysisch-Eylau and Friedland. He participated in the Russian-Swedish war of 1808–09, and commanded a division that occupied the Åland Islands in the spring of 1809. During the Russo-Turkish War of 1806-12 from July 1809 to March 1810 he commanded the Moldavian Army. Since August 1811, the commander of the Podolsk army, and since March 1812, the 2nd Western Army, which during the Patriotic War of 1812, with a skillful maneuver, led the fighting out of the attack of superior enemy forces to join the 1st Western Army near Smolensk. In the battle of Borodino, he commanded the left wing of the Russian army, showing exceptional stamina and personal courage, was seriously wounded and died in s. Sims of Vladimir province, where he was buried. In 1839, his ashes were transferred to the Borodino field.
          Lit .: General Bagration. Sat documents and materials, L., 1945; Bagration in the Danube principalities. Sat Documents, Kish., 1949; Rostunov I.I., P.I. Bagration, M., 1957.
        3. atalef
          atalef 27 May 2016 17: 51
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          RUSSIAN, slaughter it on your hunchbacked nose, and put Russianness in the ass, along with modern EG

          TSB
          Bagration I Bagration
          Peter Ivanovich (1765 - 12 (24) .9.1812), prince, Russian general from infantry

          TSB laughing
          She will make any Georgian a Russian laughing
          1769: Prince Bagration, a descendant of the Georgian royal family of Bagrationi, was born in Kizlyar. The exact date of birth is unknown. According to other sources, he was born in July 1765 in Georgia, most likely in Tiflis. Bagration’s childhood passed in the parental house in Kizlyar.
          the hero of the Patriotic War of 1812, Prince Peter Ivanovich Bagration came from the oldest family of Georgia, who gave many Georgian and Armenian kings.

          RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/history_spravki/20120411/623366030.html#ixzz49rsCPaZ6

          dad - Georgian, mother - Georgian --- son Russian laughing
          although you, Vasilenko, are very close. laughing
        4. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 18: 34
          +1
          the fact of the matter is that you need to be born a Jew, not a Jewish mother and that’s all, Israel doesn’t need you, but you can become a Russian as a German princess and as a Georgian prince and even as an arap, therefore, in the garden, in the garden
        5. atalef
          atalef 27 May 2016 20: 08
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          the fact of the matter is that you need to be born a Jew, not a Jewish mother and that’s all, Israel doesn’t need you, but you can become a Russian as a German princess and as a Georgian prince and even as an arap, therefore, in the garden, in the garden

          uneducated and knowing little russians laughing
        6. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 20: 13
          +1
          you all know from us, the face was washed from the mud where we stuck with the Russian general ?!
        7. atalef
          atalef 27 May 2016 20: 25
          -1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          you all know from us, the face was washed from the mud where we stuck with the Russian general ?!

          Bagration or what? belay
          Well, it's like a Russian Lyashko. laughing
        8. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 23: 01
          0
          no, you boor, what boor stupid, you even have no brains to read the plate on the bust
        9. atalef
          atalef 27 May 2016 23: 15
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          no you boor what boor stupid

          stupid Jew, sounds even more funny than smart Little Russia.
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          read the plate on the bust

          On the fence it’s written - horseradish, the grandmother came up, touched - and there is a bitch.
          laughing
          it’s only in the brains of Little Russia that things can add up
          The surname ends in - * ko * - but it has no relation to Ukraine, mother, father - Georgians, son - Russian laughing
          Are your relatives Little Russians?
        10. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 May 2016 08: 36
          -1
          Quote: atalef
          stupid Jew, sounds even more funny than smart Little Russia.

          here is all Zhidovskaya Nazism in all its glory, a Jew can only be smart, the rest is so-so
  • Weyland
    Weyland 28 May 2016 02: 08
    0
    Quote: atalef
    now Szczecin, Poland). Father, Christian Augustus of Anhalt-Zerbst, came from the Zerbst-Dornburg line of Anhalt


    In-in ... Stettin - originally Szczecin, Anhalt-Zerbst - Anglo-Serbian (google "Lusatian Serbs"), Bremen (from "burden"), Leipzig ("Lipsk"), Lubeck, Rostock are Slavic cities, and Ekaterina is a Slav by blood, albeit Germanized! By the way, Schleswig was also Slavic 1000 years ago!
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  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 14: 55
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    once again Novodvorskaya spoke Russian and I think everything is fine with the ethnic component, are you sure that she is Russian

    nor do you divide people into Russian and non-Russian, just for the reason, whether their personal position suits you personally or not.
    there are different children in the family - successful, not very, with a normal and non-traditional orientation, pacifists and militarists who love the tsar, Lenin, or Pinocchio.
    Nevertheless, they remain members of this family. And throwing one away, tomorrow you will find out that you are in the minority and have already kicked you out.
  • Heimdall47
    Heimdall47 27 May 2016 15: 02
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    once again Novodvorskaya spoke Russian and I think everything is fine with the ethnic component, are you sure that she is Russian

    nor do you divide people into Russian and non-Russian, just for the reason, whether their personal position suits you personally or not.
    there are different children in the family - successful, not very, with a normal and non-traditional orientation, pacifists and militarists who love the tsar, Lenin, or Pinocchio.
    Nevertheless, they remain members of this family. And throwing one away, tomorrow you will find out that you are in the minority and have already kicked you out.


    To the point they said, respect. Life went on - Jews teach Russians to define and love their people. But the Russians themselves are no longer chopping a bolt. Eh, the race is gone ... sad
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 15: 15
    +1
    Quote: Heimdall47
    . But the Russians themselves are no longer chopping a bolt. Eh, the race is gone ...

    Well, if the "Russians" distort the Name of their Motherland, it will really disappear, but as for teaching, it would be interesting to see if the Jews had some "Novodorskaya" thread offered to bomb Jerusalem, and some "Kovalev" thread would handle Hezbollah and offer to kill more a hundred other Jews
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 15: 38
    +2
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    it would be interesting to see if the Jews had some "Novodorskaya" thread suggested bombing Jerusalem, and some "Kovalev" thread handled Hezbollah and offered to kill another hundred other Jews

    Enough of these.
  • Heimdall47
    Heimdall47 27 May 2016 15: 40
    +2
    well, if the "Russians" will distort the Name of their Motherland

    Do not be so serious - this is a common popular name.
    "Eh, Russ, my Russ ...
    asian side "
    (S. Yesenin)
    it would be interesting to see if the Jews had some "Novodorskaya" thread suggested bombing Jerusalem, and some "Kovalev" thread handled Hezbollah and offered to kill another hundred other Jews

    I heard that they have those who disclose the nuclear secrets of Israel. He’s in prison, sort of.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 15: 48
    -1
    Quote: Heimdall47
    Do not be so serious

    must
    Quote: Heimdall47
    "Eh, Russ, my Russ ...
    asian side "
    (S. Yesenin)

    this is where it starts
    Quote: Heimdall47
    He’s in prison, sort of.

    and we have Russian heroes
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 15: 53
    0
    Quote: Heimdall47
    I heard that they have those who disclose the nuclear secrets of Israel. In prison he’s like

    Released about 6 years ago.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 15: 06
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    just for the reason, whether their personal position suits you personally or not.

    if the brow’s position in life is to destroy Russia and Russianness, then you can’t forgive him to be called Russian, you can love or dislike Tolstoy as a writer, you can agree or not that St. Nicholas 2 is holy, but there is a foundation RUSSIA
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 15: 41
    -1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    if the brow’s position in life is to destroy Russia and Russianness, then forgive him for being Russian,

    And who is this man?
    Tchaikovsky was a pederast and a pedophile, do you also think that he is less Russian than you?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 15: 49
    +1
    I for example about Novodvorskaya
    Quote: atalef
    And who is this man?

    Quote: atalef
    Tchaikovsky was a pederast and a pedophile, do you also think that he is less Russian than you?

    why are you distorting?
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 15: 55
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    I for example about Novodvorskaya
    Quote: atalef
    And who is this man?

    Quote: atalef
    Tchaikovsky was a pederast and a pedophile, do you also think that he is less Russian than you?

    why are you distorting?

    for nothing, if I removed the name Tchaikovsky from the sentence, would you not let him into Russia as well?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 15: 59
    0
    you ... or pretend to be ?!
    because they perfectly understood what I mean, but you need to turn out in Jewish
    the conversation is about the attitude to Russian culture and Russia, and not about who is sleeping with whom, I don’t care if it’s not in my house or at the show
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 16: 06
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    you ... or pretend to be ?!
    because they perfectly understood what I mean, but you need to turn out in Jewish

    no, I don’t understand, it’s you who are spinning like a frying pan.
    In my opinion, I asked you an absolutely specific question, is it possible (according to your criteria) to consider Tchaikovsky Russian?
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    the conversation is about the attitude to Russian culture and Russia, and not about who is sleeping with whom, I don’t care if it’s not in my house or at the show

    then there was the next question, the Russian converted to Catholicism and believing that Putin leads the country into the abyss, Stalin - the executioner, Nikolai the second - the bloody, and Lenin - the greatest genius - is it considered in your Russian?
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 14: 52
    +2
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    that is ethnic?

    Quote: Heimdall47
    Probably so. And what - the Russian language is not enough to describe this issue?

    No, knowledge of the language, if a person is ethnically Russian, should not matter.
    A simple example. a large Russian diaspora lives in Argentina, some of them do not know the language, but they feel they are part of the Russian ethnic group and consider themselves Russian, so now forbid them to come?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 15: 07
    0
    Quote: atalef
    No, knowledge of the language, if a person is ethnically Russian, should not matter

    Belarusian and Russian is a nationality?
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 15: 43
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Belarusian and Russian is a nationality?

    Of course
    if Ethnos has its own language and self-identifying itself as a given nationality.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 15: 54
    0
    then what do you say such a picture
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 16: 01
    -2
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    then what do you say such a picture

    And who are the Great Russians?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 16: 29
    0
    Quote: atalef
    And who are the Great Russians?

    wrong, you are not a Jew
  • Heimdall47
    Heimdall47 27 May 2016 16: 10
    +1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    then what do you say such a picture

    Good picture. She says that Belarusians, Little Russians and Great Russians are branches of one single Russian people.

    And this separation is somewhat artificial. At least for Belarusians and Russians.
    With the same success, Russians can be divided into Kursk and Voronezh residents.
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 16: 19
    -2
    Quote: Heimdall47
    Good picture. She says that Belarusians, Little Russians and Great Russians are branches of one single Russian people.

    so who are the Great Russians?
    is it just russian? I understand?
  • Heimdall47
    Heimdall47 27 May 2016 16: 42
    0
    Quote: atalef
    so who are the Great Russians?
    is it just russian? I understand?

    Weird question smile
    This is the Russian population of the Moscow state before the accession of Ukraine and Belarus.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 16: 30
    0
    Quote: Heimdall47
    She says that Belarusians, Little Russians and Great Russians are branches of one single Russian people.

    that is, we came to the fact that the Russian concept of ethnic, unifying
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 16: 34
    -1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    that is, we came to the fact that the Russian concept of ethnic, unifying

    that is, in your opinion, any Ukrainian or Belarusian has the right to Russian citizenship (provided that he meets the criteria) - they know and respect history and mentally Russian (by the way, what do you mean by that)?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 16: 54
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Ukrainian

    and you saw in this table somewhere Ukrainians ?!
    I have not found laughing
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 16: 59
    -1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    and you saw in this table somewhere Ukrainians ?!
    I have not found

    Yes, you can call it what you want, those are the questions in the following - then it turns out that (in your opinion) the Russians are fighting the Russians in Ukraine? So then it is not clear what it was to climb into Ukraine? to protect Russians from Russians?
    Well, I'm not talking about that, then again the question
    In your opinion, any resident of Ukraine (a priori Russian (in your opinion), is entitled to Russian citizenship?)
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 17: 14
    0
    Quote: atalef
    in Ukraine, the Russians are fighting against the Russians?

    to some extent yes to some no
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 17: 39
    -2
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: atalef
    in Ukraine, the Russians are fighting against the Russians?

    to some extent yes to some no

    Yes ?! So Ukrainians do not exist. They are Russian, and even if they have the name Vasilenko
    typical endings and suffixes of South Russian surnames [edit | edit wiki text]
    -enko [edit | edit wiki text]
    -enko (-enko): patronymic suffix. Fixed in vocative case. Typical for Cossacks, citizens and peasants of the Dnieper Ukraine... Examples: Shevchenko, Ovcharenko, Susarenko, Borisenko, Dubchenko, Tkachenko, Tereshchenko, Tymoshenko, Kovalenko, Bondarenko, Parkhomenko, Eremenko, Kirilenko, Romanenko, Symonenko, Savenko, Ivanenko, Lukashenko, Petrenko, Pavlenko, Ivaschenko, Klyaravchenko, Sklyarenko, Zakharchenko, Ponomarenko, Temchenko. "
    Surnames with the ending -enko are the most common among Little Russians

    Now it’s clear that you’re so killed that there are no Ukrainians - these are Russians laughing
  • Heimdall47
    Heimdall47 27 May 2016 16: 47
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: Heimdall47
    She says that Belarusians, Little Russians and Great Russians are branches of one single Russian people.

    that is, we came to the fact that the Russian concept of ethnic, unifying

    We have come to the conclusion that the concept of "Russian" is the most ethnic. But Little Russians, Belarusian, Great Russians are artificial, reflecting most likely just the region of residence and, possibly, some mental characteristics.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 17: 09
    0
    But what about Catherine
  • Heimdall47
    Heimdall47 27 May 2016 15: 07
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    that is ethnic?

    Quote: Heimdall47
    Probably so. And what - the Russian language is not enough to describe this issue?

    No, knowledge of the language, if a person is ethnically Russian, should not matter.
    A simple example. a large Russian diaspora lives in Argentina, some of them do not know the language, but they feel they are part of the Russian ethnic group and consider themselves Russian, so now forbid them to come?

    Correctly spell out.
    But I meant that the imported word "ethnos" can be completely replaced with a similar previously used Russian phrase.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 15: 22
    0
    the main thing is not the name, but the meaning of Koka to invest in it, if in Russian you mean exclusively ethnic component, we discard culture and mentality, then you take away from the people a huge layer of both culture and people
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 15: 45
    -1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    the main thing is not the name, but the meaning of Koka to invest in it, if in Russian you mean exclusively ethnic component, we discard culture and mentality, then you take away from the people a huge layer of both culture and people

    What do you mean by mentality and culture?
    Russian who converted to Catholicism and is fond of occultism and local culture - in your opinion is not Russian?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 16: 07
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Russian who converted to Catholicism and is fond of occultism and local culture - in your opinion is not Russian?

    in my opinion you are a JEWISH and that says it all
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 16: 23
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: atalef
    Russian who converted to Catholicism and is fond of occultism and local culture - in your opinion is not Russian?

    in my opinion you are a JEWISH and that says it all

    In my opinion, you have nothing to say, they are buried in their theory, soon you will begin to measure Russians by their skulls.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 16: 42
    0
    Sorry, you’re not a Jew, but the definition I’ll give the site will not miss
    By the way, you blundered there that the embassy needs to confirm Jewry, as you confirm ?!
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 17: 17
    +1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Sorry, you're not a Jew

    you are so changeable, in 10 minutes 3 times changed your opinion
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    but the definition that I will give the site will not miss

    scared, I already ...
    Of course I understand. after living in Kazakhstan with dad early. a weaving factory and mom who served a Finnish crime - offended the whole world
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    By the way, you blundered there

    Not Hami, Volodya
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    about in the embassy you need to confirm Jewry, as you confirm ?!

    One document - A birth certificate is called.
    Do you have one or are you a foundling?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 17: 52
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    Not Hami, Volodya

    well, we are goyim. it is only God's chosen nation that can be poked and rude, but with you on "you" and with aspiration
    Quote: atalef
    One document - A birth certificate is called.
    Do you have one or are you a foundling?

    ... even the foundlings have evidence, now the question for idiots in the Frenchman’s birth certificate is what is written?
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 17: 59
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    even foundlings have evidence, now the question for idiots in the Frenchman’s birth certificate is what is written?

    Should I be interested in what is written in the Frenchman’s birth certificate, if you are Russian (from the CIS countries) with an entry in the birth certificate - RUSSIAN - I’m not ready to let it go either.
    The Frenchman will figure out how to prove Russian origin - Depardieu won how quickly He proved laughing
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 18: 45
    -1
    sorry for directness, with the brain everything is in order ?!
    or to Israel exclusively from Russia go ?!
    Quote: atalef
    The Frenchman will figure out how to prove Russian origin - Depardieu won how quickly He proved

    AS?!
    I’ll come in and say Russian, with Depardieu in general an idiotic example, he received citizenship not like Russian, (wee-hee) damn
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 16: 31
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    wrong, you are not a Jew

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    in my opinion you are a JEWISH and that says it all

    are you so changeable today? wink Will the criteria for the selection of Russians be changed every 5 minutes? laughing
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 16: 55
    -1
    in .., on ... and very fast
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 17: 19
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    in .., on ... and very fast

    And your surname ends on * o *, are you not from Little Russians? Dad in Kazakhstan, not exiled by chance?
    In what year did you get to Kazakhstan?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 17: 45
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Dad in Kazakhstan, not exiled by chance?

    dad was born Alma-Ata, grandfather in Verny
    a hint of ukrAintsev is stupid op Jewish, the ending "ko" in surnames is not a sign of "holiness" these endings were also worn by the Cossacks, but for you ... it's pointless to prove something, just tell me what the oranges came for
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 17: 56
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    dad was born Alma-Ata, grandfather in Verny
    a hint of ukrAintsev is stupid op Jewish, the ending "ko" in surnames is not a sign of "holiness" these endings were also worn by the Cossacks, but for you ... it's pointless to prove something, just tell me what the oranges came for

    Well, about the ending on * o * and that this is not a sign (what did you call there? Crested?
    That you tell grandmothers on a bench.
    laughing
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 18: 39
    -1
    before arguing, you have studied the topic

    In the days of Kievan Rus, the patronymic suffix -enko, now erroneously called Ukrainian, among the southern Slavs meant "little" or "son of such and such", that is, Vasilenko was literally understood as "son of Vasily"
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 20: 10
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    In the days of Kievan Rus, the patronymic suffix -enko, now erroneously called Ukrainian, among the southern Slavs meant "little" or "son of such and such", that is, Vasilenko was literally understood as "son of Vasily"

    the son of maloross Vasily - well, that's right
    Russia is Kievskaya, Little Russians, who called themselves Ukrainians, to whom you belong.
    How is it that Vladimir does not remember kinship?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 20: 18
    -1
    Jew, do you even know what Kievan Rus ?!
    or besides ancient Israel, you don’t know what
  • Heimdall47
    Heimdall47 27 May 2016 20: 35
    +1
    Have fun here laughing
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 21: 12
    -1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Jew, do you even know what Kievan Rus ?!
    or besides ancient Israel, you don’t know what

    Little Russia, Kievan Rus - this is what Little Russians claim that ancient Russia and they also dug up the Black Sea, though part of it later went to the Urals to level the mountains and create the Kazakhstan steppes - your father was probably one of them. laughing
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 22: 45
    0
    you cannot be called a victim of EGE by age, but your knowledge is not even mediocre, in the red, by the way, the prince of Kiv was created by the Novgorod prince, since you have tight history and geography, I explain Novgorod is a modern Russian Federation

    Quote: atalef
    though the part later left for the Urals in order to level the mountains and create the Kazakhstan steppes - your father probably was one of them.

    ... my father was born in Alma-Ata, in the city founded by him and my ancestors.
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 22: 50
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    you cannot be called a victim of EGE by age, but your knowledge is not even mediocre, in the red, by the way, the prince of Kiv was created by the Novgorod prince, since you have tight history and geography, I explain Novgorod is a modern Russian Federation

    laughing
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    My father was born in Alma-Ata, in the city founded by him and my ancestors.

    Why did he run away from his historical homeland - Little Russian-Kazakh Vasilenko?
    From a city founded by ancestors
    in the Middle Ages, the settlement of Almaty was located on the territory of the present city of Almaty) - the largest city in Kazakhstan, known as the "Southern Capital".
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 22: 55
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    Why did he run away from his historical homeland - Little Russian-Kazakh Vasilenko?

    My homeland is Russian, I’m Russian, but you don’t think much, but an ordinary train waiting for a warm place for your seat
    why I left unfortunately I realized that either I would bang a thread of Natsik-mambet or they would bang me, but certainly not at a convenient place for my ass
  • atalef
    atalef 27 May 2016 23: 20
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    My homeland is Russia, I am Russian,

    Your Motherland - Kazakhstan - your grandfather was born there, your father and you, and you are not Russian, you are Ukrainian (although you can call yourself Little Russian)
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    and ordinary ZhYd who was looking for a warm place for his seat

    Well, hamlo - it’s also hamlo in Kaliningrad.
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    why I left unfortunately I realized that either I would bang a thread of Natsik-mambet or I would bang

    Come on, don’t score Vladimir Vasilenko’s tanks, Google can help you and there is less light in social networks laughing can you tell me why your mother served and whom did you throw there, that you had to escape to Kaliningrad?

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    , but certainly not for a comfortable place for an ass

    Well, yes, in Kazakhstan, for your ass, there was definitely not much to expect, although maybe not laughing
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 28 May 2016 08: 39
    -1
    Your Motherland - Kazakhstan - your grandfather was born there, your father and you, and you are not Russian, you are Ukrainian (although you can call yourself Little Russian)

    my homeland is Russia, I am Russian by whom you think me to me
    Quote: atalef
    can you tell me why my mother served

    a completely unintelligent person or just mowing, and it was customary to throw it at ZhYdov, grandmother's favorite occupation was counting, even Hitler managed to sponsor and earn money on the Holocaust
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  • Weyland
    Weyland 28 May 2016 02: 24
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    the ending "ko" in surnames is not a sign of "holiness" these endings were worn by the Cossacks


    Now I’ll throw in your firewood flame:
    ending it to Little Russians got from Circassian language, and the Cossacks were called Cherkasy about 400 years ago (at least read Zagoskin!), and the city of "Cherkassy" is from there ... laughing
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 28 May 2016 08: 39
    0
    I personally purple
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  • Weyland
    Weyland 28 May 2016 01: 38
    -1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Pushkin is definitely not Russian like many others


    His haplotype is R1a, not just Russian, but primordially Russian (Aryan).
    You’d better give his namesake Alexander 3rd as an example. I would try something in the face to call him non-Russian ... laughing No, there is no Siberia there - just could have driven into the butt, it would have seemed a little too (194 cm, 130 kg) laughing
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 May 2016 08: 40
      0
      you do not take quotes out of context
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 27 May 2016 12: 11
    +6
    Quote: Heimdall47
    In Russia, we would have to decide for a start - who are the Russians and return the "nationality" column in the passport.

    Russian is not a nationality, dear. My friend lives in Moldova, but he is not Moldovan, and does not even know the Moldavian language. He speaks and thinks in Russian, and his children too. But the passport is listed in the column nationality-Ukrainian, while he is a citizen of Moldova ... so who is he?
    And there is a purebred Russian living in Uzbekistan. Even in the union time of his grandfather, a military soldier, he sent his homeland to Uzbekistan, they stayed there. And he has been making documents for Russian citizenship for 10 years.
    And these people tell me, it’s easier to get a European passport than a Russian one. And we don’t want to go to Europe, we want to go to the Motherland, because here our roots, language, culture and future ... but only the big Motherland does not care about these same non-Russians ( Russians without citizenship of the Russian Federation). Although among them, most are skilled workers and engineers.
    And in the big Motherland, the seams are full of demographics. The people are dying. And abroad, more than 30 million Russians! Only their country does not need them for nothing. And they hear these non-Russians from all directions, come in large numbers, ticket-station-Moldova, Uzbekistan, the Baltic states ... and this is said not only by the authorities, but also by citizens of the Russian Federation, who are often unable to connect two words in Russian.
    1. Heimdall47
      Heimdall47 27 May 2016 12: 58
      +2
      Russian is not a nationality, dear

      You infringe on my rights - the last Uzbek has a nationality, and millions of Russians mean no. smile
      My friend lives in Moldova, but he is not Moldovan and does not even know the Moldovan language. He speaks and thinks in Russian, and his children too. But the passport is listed in the column nationality-Ukrainian, while he is a citizen of Moldova ... so who he?

      I don’t know - these are your friend’s problems. Why should someone decide for another and determine his national, sexual, religious affiliation? An adult must do it himself. Personally, my opinion is that he is not Russian. Let's call him a Russian or let him belong to this as him - the "Russian world". laughing Once invented - let it be. There is nothing wrong.
      I agree with everything else.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 13: 04
        -1
        Quote: Heimdall47
        the last Uzbek has a nationality, and millions of Russians mean no.

        learn terminology
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 27 May 2016 11: 42
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    skedlof
    I guess I can explain to you why they do not go to the Russian Federation from the Baltic states. in 92, he moved to the Russian Federation. So, it seems to me that the reason for the ode is that there is a very big difference in mentality between the Russians of the Russian Federation and the Russians from the Baltic states. (I am surprised by the number of jokes about the brakes of Estonians, although many Russians can argue for this title)
    Many of our classmates went around the world in search of a better life, sometimes we even argue when we boast that we work and live in Helsinki and say that there is no work in Russia, I answer that you can go to Russia to earn money without leaving the country, and that’s just as if from the Baltic states we went to work in the EU countries.
    By the way, you are a little disingenuous, saying that everyone succeeds because you have examples showing that not everyone is doing well in a new place.
    If you move to work from provincial Russia to Russian megacities, this is the extinction of the Russian countryside and lack of work, but if you move from the Baltic to Europe to work, it is freedom of movement and the choice of work. But in fact, also from provinces forgotten by everyone, where there is no work, people go to places where they can earn money, for the Baltic states it is Europe, in Russia it is megacities and other countries of the world, someone succeeds with someone who doesn’t, everyone chooses for himself.
    1. skedlof
      skedlof 27 May 2016 12: 37
      +3
      please re-read my posts and give me a quote where I stated that "everyone succeeds."
      I described a very specific example that my specific friends who wanted to return to Russia managed to get settled in England.

      I do not claim that everyone succeeds in Europe, by no means. moreover, I am familiar with those who went to Russia and settled there, there are just literally such few.

      my opinion is why this is so - in Europe you can get a job on a common basis right away (take into account the minimum wage per hour, rent a house and prices and compare with the Russian ones and understand where you will win). and only in leading positions may recertification or obtaining a local diploma be required.

      in Russia, however, a lot of obstacles and conditions that are difficult to overcome and, moreover, for a decent time, it is quite possible for years.

      I admit that now the situation has changed for the better, but from zero to tenths I hardly have enough five good examples.
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 27 May 2016 13: 17
        0
        sorry, attributed to you what you did not write. Excuse me.

        In my opinion, it will be easier to settle in from the Baltic countries in Europe because one economic zone, roughly speaking a single state, is like working from some sort of Russian Kouchevka to Voronezh.

        Yesterday I talked with refugees from Ukraine, so they are already citizens of Russia. 2 years in Russia. problems with obtaining citizenship did not arise. But the friend of a pure Russian from Uzbekistan, arose because the gouging!
  • 31rus2
    31rus2 27 May 2016 11: 45
    +2
    Dear, what are you talking about? All my life I have been living in Russia (the USSR), even distant ancestors on both lines are Russian and that, in the Russian passport, there is not in any other document that I am Russian, except for the birth certificate, that’s not in Russian, there are Russians, in the FMS when replacing a passport, he raised this question, I want to be Russian, the answer is negative, and why not do it at will, a person wants to record Russian or another nationality, write no, then they write Russian, some kind of nonsense, but you're talking about visitors. In general, it's time to disperse our lawmakers
  • mamont5
    mamont5 27 May 2016 11: 48
    0
    "There is something to think about, is there not?"

    Yes, here, really, you need to think carefully ...
  • 31rus2
    31rus2 27 May 2016 11: 57
    0
    Dear, you are only needed in the elections, when you cast your vote, this is the only day of the year when you are needed, but otherwise, you yourself know
  • 96423lom
    96423lom 27 May 2016 12: 02
    0
    For many years, the state shifted problems onto the shoulders of people and we all got the result.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 12: 03
      -2
      which problems?
  • Fox
    Fox 27 May 2016 12: 04
    +1
    The novel, with its political connection, always omits one thing: there are no Russians in Russia. There are no Russians. There are no laws. 80% of the population, no. By the way, what did the "guarantor" mumble about? don't remember?
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 May 2016 12: 05
      -1
      Quote: Fox
      in Russia

      in any case, distorting the name of your homeland does not look beautiful
  • Corvetkapitan
    Corvetkapitan 27 May 2016 12: 36
    0
    No, Russia is obliged to accept Russians, another question is that you don’t have to rush with them ... Russia must provide them with citizenship and rooms, in communal apartments, if they need housing, and then let them ...
  • agbykov
    agbykov 27 May 2016 12: 42
    +1
    Addendum: if you want to obtain even a residence permit as a native speaker of the Russian language (it is mandatory before applying for Russian citizenship), you must renounce your existing citizenship, i.e. become stateless. According to UN international rules, Ukraine will not deprive you of citizenship if, as a result, you become a stateless person ... Therefore, in fact, the program of Russian speakers does not work for Russians who are Ukrainian citizens. Full profanity ...
    It is probably believed that if the Russian Federation is a multinational country, then all peoples, including Russians, should have equal rights (it seems beautiful, but fundamentally wrong. There are no equal rights in nature for unequal entities).
  • Samoyed
    Samoyed 27 May 2016 13: 11
    +2
    I want to go to Russia, but I don’t want to be a burden, the age is pre-retirement, there are no relatives left. But at least the children moved to Russia.
  • Begemot
    Begemot 27 May 2016 14: 49
    +1
    Barbarism, dear, as there is barbarism. At the state level.
    Actually, this phrase absolutely accurately describes the majority of Russian laws. The author very accurately noticed that the motivation for adopting the law and its individual provisions are quite logical and do not cause rejection, BUT together !!! together they create that ugly, shaggy, little adequate monster, which is our legislation.
  • russkiy redut
    russkiy redut 27 May 2016 22: 44
    +1
    In the article, the author shakes the situation, tries to manipulate, does not cite facts, there are no extracts from legislative acts. He offers dubious solutions to the problem, believes that fools are sitting there, but he knows exactly how to solve the situation. Firstly, what you write about a few people does not mean that everywhere. I have relatives, my current work colleagues moved from Ukraine without problems, of course I had to tinker a bit with the papers
  • dipole
    dipole 30 May 2016 22: 31
    0
    simple life example. USSR Army Officer. after the collapse, he served in the army of the Russian Federation under B.E. in the territory of a foreign state at the moment a stateless person. He asked for Russian citizenship from the Romadanovsky department. What a person was offered a long road to the Russian Passport. In fact, spitting in the face. With us, as always, we are in the face of our own and we praise strangers. Russians are waiting in line at the Federal Migration Service for a patent for working with people who, according to nationality, have no relation to them at all. how fingerprints are taken from the last criminal. it's about what kind of resettlement of compatriots can we say who will go here.
  • Mikhail Matyugin
    Mikhail Matyugin 31 May 2016 01: 09
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    Quote: dipol
    What a person was offered a long road to the Russian Passport. In fact, spitting in the face. With us, as always, we are in the face of our own and we praise strangers.

    Unfortunately, this is the main problem of Russia for a long time, and especially recently. We consider the “necessary” ones “our own,” but the Russians proper, but who are not particularly needed by the state - we put them on a par with migrants from Central Asia and treat them like a beast. Is this the way a great country should behave?