Chinese uniform should not be in the military

Officials are trying to ban the production of camouflage for the Russian army from fabrics produced abroad.

The Ministry of Economic Development and the Ministry of Industry and Trade plan to limit the use of foreign-made fabrics for tailoring uniforms for the military. China has also become one of the countries that fall under this restriction. This was reported by a source in the military. At the moment, approximately 50% of the jackets and tunics are sewn from cheap Chinese fabrics, while the GOST standards are not met by the 20% of them. The military while saying that they can not control the purchases of suppliers.

- When announcing a tender, we can declare requirements for the quality of fabrics - weaving type, composition, physical properties - however, we cannot specify from whom suppliers should buy these fabrics. The 30 federal law prohibits us from doing this, the Defense Ministry told Izvestia.

The interlocutor explained that for the military it doesn’t matter from which manufacturer’s fabrics the form was sewn. The main requirement - compliance with the requirements. In order to verify this compliance, each batch of the new form is rejected and examined.

“According to my data, no cases were reported to the troops in uniforms of poor quality fabric,” the informed officer asserts.

Maxim Ilyin, commercial director of BMK-Textil LLC, said that at the moment nothing prevents a manufacturer from releasing one batch from fabrics produced in Russia, and the rest from Chinese ones.

- The meter of Russian fabric costs about 140 rubles, while the Chinese one costs 90. For sewing summer form you need about 4 meters of canvas. In the case of an order of, say, 50 thousands of sets only on the difference in the cost of fabrics, the factory can save approximately 10 million rubles, Ilyin cited his calculations.

However, for cheapness, as a rule, you have to pay with quality. Their China fabric is almost entirely made of polyester - a material made from plastic waste - bags, plates and bottles. And, unlike high quality fabrics, it does not contain viscose or cotton. Russian weavers while forced to comply with the requirements of GOST.

- Professional manufacturers of Chinese fabrics are called "glass." In them, the body is absolutely not breathing. In this form, the military risk getting allergic and skin diseases, says M. Ilyin.

Not a single company surveyed by Izvestia from the winners of the tender of the Ministry of Defense agreed to discuss the country of manufacture of fabrics for a uniform.

Only at one plant that fulfilled the order of the military, on condition of anonymity, it was reported that before, the fabrics were actually purchased in China, but now they are not at risk, since there are no quality guarantees.

- Foreign suppliers do not have any obligations to the Ministry of Defense. They do not provide mobilization reserve of the country. In this regard, there is a high probability that instead of one type of fabric, another will be put. But we cannot check the quality of the fabric in each roll - we sew from what was brought from the warehouse. In some cases, it is impossible to identify the differences on the eye - with the appearance of the fabric is absolutely the same. Therefore, we do not associate with the Chinese - we sew from domestic fabrics. Moreover, the cost today is almost the same, - said the representative of the sewing enterprise "Izvestia".

According to him, in the event of a military acceptance of the discrepancy of the used fabrics to the technical specifications specified in the tender, the sewing plant will be blacklisted and it will not be able to take part in the further struggle for the state order.

- It is easy to calculate poor quality tissue in the laboratory - it burns differently, reacts differently to reagents and solvents. Accordingly, it is quite easy to identify the form sewn from low-quality fabrics. However, if such a form does end up in the army, the military probably doesn’t check it very thoroughly, the interlocutor said.

He noted that until Russia imposes direct restrictions on the use of imported fabrics, manufacturers will choose cheaper ones.

Evgeny Titov, director of Tchaikovsky Textile, said that Russian fabrics, in addition to chemical composition, are superior to their Chinese counterparts in the first place in the quality of chemical processing and weaving.

- The cost price of fabrics of similar quality in China and in Russia is about the same, especially considering transport and customs costs. Therefore, if the cost of Chinese fabric is two times lower, then it means that the quality is underestimated in it. To reduce the cost in another way is impossible, - said Titov.

According to the draft government decree, which was developed by the Ministry of Economic Development and the Ministry of Industry and Trade, worsted fabrics used in the manufacture of clothing and equipment should be Russian-made. Now this project is sent for approval to the government.

At the same time, according to Izvestia, the origin of the threads used for the production of linen in Russia is not regulated, which means that no one can prohibit the use of Chinese threads in the production of Russian fabrics to Chinese weaving mills.

Comments

[shmack]

I immediately remembered the story of the Georgian uniforms captured in August 2008: a crookedly sewn Turkish copy of the American uniform, on which there was no vent. holes, Velcro did not stick, the buttons did not fasten ... Yes, the form must be sewn at home.

[snek]

Here the question is not who sews, but from whose fabrics. I doubt that the Chinese in this area can offer something unique (except, perhaps, prices), so you need to buy from your own.

[shmack]

It is possible to sew from Persian silk so that it will be impossible to wear, not to speak of war. My opinion is that it is necessary to sew in Russia from Russian fabrics - only in this way the central clothing department of the Ministry of Defense will be able to constantly monitor the process so that at the last moment it does not become clear that the laces on the boots are too short.

[Vadivak]

Quote: shmack

My opinion is that you need to sew in Russia from Russian fabrics

My Afghan woman is still intact, I use it at my dacha

[shmack]

Vadivak,
I also found the use of field form on a civilian, although not so old)

[Che]

There is no demolition for the Afghan woman, he really threw his pants away, and his jacket is nishtyak.

[kPoJluK2008]

The MO can only control the "central clothing control"

[Vadivak]

That's how the guys howl that after a strip of obstacles, their pockets fly off and the fabric creeps out

[APASUS]

Quote: snek

I doubt that the Chinese in this area can offer something unique (except, perhaps, prices), so you need to buy from your own.

Serdyukov brought to MO a whole gang of modern managers, for them the concept of combat readiness does not exist !!!! The rate of return is the main indicator !!!! And China will do everything that they buy.

[KASKAD]

Quote: shmack

I immediately remembered the story of the Georgian uniforms captured in August 2008: a crookedly sewn Turkish copy of the American uniform, on which there was no vent. holes, Velcro did not stick, the buttons did not fasten ... Yes, the form must be sewn at home.

Don’t @ @ form was the original US Marine Corps manufactured by EA Indastis and there aren’t any ventilation openings in nature and Velcro only on two breast pockets, the rest is on buttons

[танк]

In anticipation of joining the WTO, the rejection of Chinese textiles is vital for our enterprises, I am glad that the Moscow Region understands this, especially since everyone knows about their quality

[trojan768]

Hmm ... Obsurd ... I came across a good shape at the PCB, but what was issued six months later was just disgusting. It is sewn crookedly, the threads stick out and it stinks with something incomprehensible, I soaked it for two days ...

[Trudy]

However, for the cheapness, as a rule, you have to pay with quality.

Most importantly, you have to pay with health.

[Tyumen]

And what about the Belarusian fabrics? We brought winter overalls from there, so the people are in awe. Weightless, warm, full of pockets, our quilted jackets were recalled like a nightmare. Or is it expensive for the army?

[Tatars]

For border guards, uniforms are sewn from Belarusian fabric

[Capt.stryker]

Officials are trying to ban the production of camouflage for the Russian army from fabrics produced abroad

The logic of Russian officials is beyond comprehension, it simply does not lend itself to logic. The same bureaucrats are calling for the purchase of Western weapons, and to establish their production under a license in Russia.
And you need to sew uniforms only at domestic factories, and from domestic textiles, but you need not just tough, but the most severe quality control. It is no secret that soldiers are dressed in uniforms of much worse quality than those exhibited at various exhibitions.

[Gurza]

the same bureaucrats are calling for the purchase of Western weapons, and to establish their production under a license in Russia

I would not compare weapons and fabrics, not those creterias.
But control is the matter, it’s very easy to find out the purchase of goods, all the goods go through customs, you just need to look for whom it is intended, and then roll in the penalty to the supplier and return all the goods. In an instant, everyone will do as they should!

[танк]

Do not confuse x .. with a submarine, we buy what we can not produce (read-think out) these are drones and helicopter carriers, plus how much it costs to develop a new project, against this background, clothes are generally just zilch

[zmey]

In the "glass" in the warm winter is still so-so, and in the summer it is complete tin! (He served in Sochi).
High-quality breathable fabric is wonderful, here's a high-quality figure that does not wear off after a month of socks. after 1-2 months, pea jacket socks, a uniform, incomprehensible color is obtained that stands out against any background and unmasks the soldier.

[dred]

Of course you need to sew at home is a matter of common sense.

[Dzhanych]

I remembered my old "HB" Drift-no! Only fades, to the delight of grandfathers! "PSh" - on Holidays!
The road to Ivanovo weavers !!!

[merkawa]

,, The officials are trying to prohibit the production of camouflage for the Russian army from fabrics produced abroad, they would like to prohibit, would forbid, for that they are officials, to see some of them their interests in light industry

[PSih2097]

made from chinese fabric and made in china - different things ...
I’ve been carrying a slide from Chinese HB for the third year, and nothing ...

Ours then remained in Transcaucasia (Central Asia) ...

[Ascetic]

Even Peter I tore Aleksashka Menshikov for the rotten cloth for uniforms, but wait and there is no one to tear down all their "business interests" in collusion. The new look of the aircraft in one word

[Samsebenaum]

Behind all this are the selfish interests of those responsible. Somewhere even the soldiers were fed canned food. But they have been complaining about uniforms for a long time. Every winter, mass media write about mass hypothermia and hospitalization of l / s.
Questions: why weren't investigations carried out on the first "call"? Why did they only talk about it today?
I am sure that someone on this is not weakly cut down some money. Who are these faces?
And our weavers and seamstresses are able to make a solid shape for the military. Checked.

[bashkort]

In Russian-Japanese, soldier’s boots had cardboard soles, shells didn’t fit the guns, warheads of ship’s shells didn’t explode on the sides of Japanese ships, the Japanese knew the plans for the movement of Russian troops faster than the troops themselves. Doesn’t resemble anything?

[PSih2097]

As I already wrote in the article "on taxes from Putin," there one person wrote that cotton is expensive, it is also expensive to buy from the Chinese ...
Who is stopping the creation of PMCs - sticking it to Uzbeks, Tajiks and getting cotton ... Either buy fabric from the Chinese and dye it yourself, or make quality from flax as well ...

[Che]

Head turn on guys. Why do we need someone else - our own is better.

[Tatars]

Now everything is clear why our soldiers are freezing

[matolyan]

I don’t understand what the old form did not suit? Nevertheless, it was convenient and wearable. Why reinvent the wheel? Pea jacket in comparison with an overcoat is generally happiness !!! Because there are already no forces, neither armed nor what, therefore we pay attention to all crap. It is not necessary to think about a new nano uniform and armament, it is enough to train specialists on what is, to provide radio stations and batteries, and to motivate soldiers and officers. And if there is something new of his own, it’s only for God's sake, but not someone else’s, and not because someone else’s, but because there’s nowhere to repair, nowhere to buy, if something happens, God forbid.