Ostap Petrikovich Mask: Full Exposure of the Developments of the “Millennium Genius”

Man can not without faith.


If it is taken away, he frantically searches for a new fulcrum, believing in something else.

This natural mechanism has long been noticed by large corporations and now the monetization of faith is the main way to stimulate marketing and sales.

The matter is simple - by ridicule-lies traditional competitors in cassocks are removed, who squeaked something about spirituality, development, the benefit of labor and the like, and something brilliant, understandable, simple and cool slips. Immediately transferring self-esteem “one level higher”. You just have to believe that this level is there. What if before vodka booze, but now nnnnakatyvat 12 teepee summer - then this is a development. And if there used to be a Japanese car, and now a European one, then a new level. “I meet men who can afford a BMW,” they write on dating sites; and what is so bad about a disguised price tag, if a typical “man who can afford a BMW” has “allowed” her for that?

To brilliance (patented and certified) this topic in the consumer sector brought Steve Jobs. Not, of course, it was all up to him - but to bring to the sect “A new product of company X will come out and I will buy it at any cost, because I am worthy, because it will be a new level of life, God, what good fortune to have a dream” millions of people - all should be able to. For years, "here's a new phone - this is a new level in life, is about to change." That from 1 on 2, that from 3 on 4, that from 6 on 6S. That's about to change, yes.

To invest several hundred dollars in the price of a product for “You buy belonging to genius, to luxury, a part of our soul that we shiver in every stroke” and the like - it’s profitable how profitable any air trade is. Andy Tucker was selling “non-explosive sand” for kerosene lamps - well, development does not stand still, now they are selling a sense of belonging to non-explosive sand, and because of the horizon, there is a credit to the risks of reducing sales of the feeling of belonging, as well as insurance of this credit.

One of the exploiters of this theme is the famous showman Ilon Petrikovich Mavrodi, originally “Musk”.

Around his show programs a rather dense sect of believers was formed, who are technically illiterate (now they are called technographers - that is, those who are interested, but not in the subject), but are active in terms of advertising and public relations. They have a certain fixed list of postulates - like “everything that Musk does - successfully and high-tech” - which are not critically discussed, i.e. in general, this is the reason why this sect has recently been made to show chmorit. It's easy because they are stupid.

Considering that people's memory has now become quite brief, I noticed that all the fantasies of members of this circle revolve around several key topics - well, you can put it all into one article. Indicative - about how profitable to imitate high.

I am often accused of writing texts that are lengthy and completely scale - OK, this time everything will be relatively compact and sparingly for epithets.

PayPal Myth

Brief essence: “One of the successful projects of Mask is that he alone created PayPal”.

The facts, however, are much more prosaic.

PayPal was created in December 1998, and then it was called Confinity. Initially, the company planned to write software for handhelds. The founders are our compatriot, Soviet Jew Max Levchin, as well as Peter Thiel, Luke Nosek and Ken Howery.

PayPal was coined inside Confinity at 1999 as a service for quick money transfer. Under this idea, money was taken from an investor, BlueRun Ventures.

After the appearance of a fat investor and on his advice, the purchase of similar start-ups begins (standard move). And one of these startups is X.com, unprofitable at that time, which wants to be an online bank. 10 has invested millions of dollars in X.com, but it’s in a loss, business isn’t going. There works I. Mask. Mask comes to Confinity, draws dazzling perspectives, and his startup is bought among the packs of others, and he is put in to do marketing advertising.

Once again - buy in bulk. This technique is well known - for example, Cisco, which makes a year before the 500 acquisitions - that is, works. the market is simply cleared of potential competitors, plus promising developments are bought up at the root. Yes, it's expensive - but something will shoot - and if that happens, the successful will be immediately renamed to Cisco. So that later people would admire “how many developments and inventions they have”. They have money.

So, the Mask firm is bought in bulk together with another trifle, but it is placed not on a technical, but on an advertising position. Now, you know, there is such a thing - technology evangelism - when the techie is replaced by a showman (there are, of course, exceptions, but they die out naturally, that is, they pay more for the show than for the technology) - then, that term was not promoted but the essence is the same.

According to the results of technology from X.com in the paper are not used, but Musk has a share. The very same brand X.com quickly jammed, because after polls it turns out that users associate it not with a bank, but with a porn resource.

And then, when PayPal rises and spins, it is already buying at a high price (one and a half billion) eBay. And after all this, PayPal’s share of Mask is selling. For a lot of money - well, the dotcom boom began zero and all that.

Now compare this with “Ilon Mask single-handedly created PayPal from scratch, wow, that means - a genius, an inventor, a techie.”

Let's go from the recent, but already storiesto modernity.

Tesla cars

From the density of myths, it dazzles in my eyes - everything is “unique, high-tech, American, advanced, super-successful,” and so on. Everything, of course, was invented and developed by Musk personally.
Reality is easier.

Tesla Motors was founded in 2003 by two people - Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning. They came up with the concept of "electric sports car". There was no Mask nearby. Mask appeared later, as one of the representatives of investors. The product at this point was already developed.

During the 13 years (!!!) of evolution, Tesla has released several models that differ in design and interior. The technical part does not change, Tesla does not lead its developments. The batteries used are Chinese 18650 elements, which run the entire Chinese electric transport - from scooters to buses. These are standard elements on 3.7В, visually similar to finger-type batteries. Of these, batteries with the required parameters are collected - for example, for scooters, these are blocks of 12 volts and 12 or 20 amp-hours (for example, such). Tesla buys them in bulk from Panasonic, and he places an order in China. His production that Tesla, that Panasonic - no. There are no “special secret battery modules” either, Tesla has no patents related to technical solutions in terms of the battery module. The controller at the battery pack was developed in Shenzhen - and, by the way, based on the same in Chinese electric buses. In fact, Tesla simply buys what the Chinese have invented and implemented, so in terms of technology, Tesla is always catching up - she will have those batteries in the new model that have been used by the Chinese seller for 1200 yuan for six months.

Motors for Tesla are also made in China - a separate rotor, a separate stator, Tesla just puts his label on them (see http://www.cens.com/cens/html/en/news/news_inner_43640.html, “Fukuta Elec. It is a Taiwanese model that has a high-conductivity and compact size and lighter weight "). This “difficult” action is beneficial - it allows you to “honestly” put the US manufacturing site, and import motors at tariffs for components, and not for finished products (other duties). Often, by the way, the scheme used when imitating local production — the above-mentioned American company with the letter C, “localized” the production of secure routers in Zelenograd — imported routers as components, and inserted a module with support for Russian cryptography into them at the “production site” immediately magically turned into a “localized production of Russian routers”.

For almost a decade and a half, Tesla has done a bunch of patents, but all of them, if you look, are associated with design or design solutions. Those. stories about “moving science, what kind of capitalization, all at the expense of unique technologies” in fact describe numerous patents “wing shape” and “plastic color at the retractable handle”. A comical story is connected with this - in 2014, for the purpose of promotion and public relations, Musk said that he “gives the world all of Tesla's unique technologies”. The creative class started a tear and left thousands of comments, “God, he is great, our god, how happy it is to live on the same planet with such a unique genius who mines it to shiver,” and that was it.

It was expected, apparently, that “well, once such unique patents were published, now the Tesla analog shaft will begin”, because it was assumed that these are just some Unique Technical Patents - but nothing happened, because these patents, in fact, after publication gave anyone the opportunity to make the same trunk as Tesla, or the same upholstery in the cabin. In terms of technology, Tesla as it was catching up, and remained - to patent the Chinese engine, it can not, to develop its own - too. Such a “technological breakthrough”, yes, and “if their patents are worth billions, then that means they are geniuses.” This means only that a certain auditor estimated how much money a company could, in theory, receive, if suddenly, due to the appearance of competitors, sales would fall, for example, to zero. It turned out a huge (and purely theoretical) amount, this amount was attached to the patent “a door handle with a cool button”, and if someone wants to buy this patent, then he must pay that amount. Just nobody wants, there is no meaning. Therefore, there is a sum, there is a patent, and here what doesn’t apply to manufacturability, what to advancement;

Let us turn to environmental issues.

Environmentally friendly now is such a thing that allows you to sell an unnecessary thing not only expensive, but very expensive. In the variant with Tesla, it is also a reason to receive subsidies - moreover, from two sides at once, and with electricity for charging, and with cars. Simply put, buying a liter of gas in countries where there is a program of sponsoring electric cars, you pay for charging someone else's Tesla.

The first myth about Tesla’s environmental friendliness is that its charging is free because “on the roofs of the charging stations there are solar batteries and therefore you can simply charge the cars with the same energy”. In general, the Mask has a clause on any commercial of a new wonderful invention existing only in the form of an 3D model, solar batteries.

Being invited to the local Hong Kong Tesla for the Model 3 presentation and test drive, I clarified the moment in detail. Everything turned out to be simple.

A supercharger who charges a battery ultra-fast, eats 120 kilowatts. Such supercharges on 4 stuff on charge. This is half a megawatt. There are simply no solar batteries to provide around-the-clock ability to deliver such power (as well as batteries that can be charged and then powered by superchargers from which to charge cars), and you can estimate how much space they would occupy. Tesla's charges are connected to a regular city network and pay decent money for consumed electricity. The scheme “we charge our batteries and then cars from them” is not used for charging, as it is unprofitable (!!! - hello “Tesla wall battery”, about which further) - the cost of solar batteries plus batteries plus wear plus maintenance plus charge loss Discharging makes this “eco-friendly solar electricity” unprofitable even for Tesla herself.

Free charging is with a bunch of reservations that make it not free at all. She has a top Model S, which costs more than 100K dollars, while it is necessary that the car was at full official service (with a non-acidic price for normal hours), so that it would never be in an accident (that is, it was scratched - everything) and storage and transportation of the battery is paid for. Classics of the genre, in general. If you sit down and calculate the price of the car plus MOT, then it will turn out that the cost of “free of charge” will be higher than that of ordinary cars.

You can charge without a supercharger, from the outlet. Charging requests 400V with 32 amps. Given that in an ordinary apartment at the entrance, God forbid the 32A is automatic, and the wiring is generally sharpened under 16-25, it simply won't be able to charge from the “regular” outlet to the 220V. It is understood that such a charge will be in the cottage, where there will be a separate shield for this purpose, well, or a special charge in the parking lot at the house (again, for money). No special environmental friendliness here and does not smell as a result.

The second myth about the environmental friendliness of Tesla is that electric cars reduce CO2 emissions. No, emissions are only increasing. The destruction of this myth is extremely dangerous for Tesla - firstly in the study by reference it turns out that the power consumption in advertising is greatly underestimated (almost 2 times), secondly due to the fact that a lot of fuel is spent on creating the necessary electricity "Green" subsidies - and without them, and so unprofitable Tesla will feel completely bad. Therefore, there is a massive campaign "oh yes nonsense all this what's the main thing that does not smoke." The fact that next to this smoke in 3 times stronger than TPP - is silent.

As a result, under the brand name Tesla, we have a coolly developed Chinese electric machine, expensive to maintain.

The monetization scheme - “electric transport is a wow-exclusive for successful and extraordinary people, hence the markup of hundreds of percent for the brand and image”. Exclusivity, not inclusiveness, leads to the fact that, a priori, cheaper electric transport (there are fewer than knots and components in it) turns into a fetish and a prestigious thing. There is no development, no technical breakthroughs - 13 has been doing years, during this time nothing but a redesign has been made. The failure of 2014 of the year with the “discovery of the world of unique technologies” clearly showed that a dusty empty closet was waiting for Buratino at the magnificent door.

The financial side of the issue is even more dismal - despite state subsidies, despite electricity concessions for charging, despite subsidies to car buyers, Tesla is unprofitable and works in the red, spending investors' money. The mask failed to make a technological breakthrough or create a financially sound enterprise.

Let's go to the batteries.

Glitter and poverty of batteries

A wall-mounted battery that “saves” or even “generates” electricity is perhaps the best detector of “technogists” of the humanities. I thought everything before its appearance - this is for whom this spam is sent, such as “an economizer of electricity! Just plug it into the cigarette lighter! ”? It turns out that the typical consumer of such nonsense is the very “advanced technogic, fanatic of new technologies” who have not mastered school physics.
In May, 2015go, just over a year ago, Musk held a presentation of a wall-mounted battery. The essence of his idea was simple - a healthy bespereboynik is hung on the wall, through which the whole house is powered. Generating capacities are added to a bespereboynik - either a wind turbine, or solar batteries. They constantly recharge it, but it cleverly monitors subscribers, and when it is necessary, it feeds from the general network, when it does not, it saves. It may even sell electricity back into the public grid. In principle, ie Yes maybe. May buy electricity when it is cheaper, for example at night.

The presentation caused a sensation in greedy, infantile elderly children from office cubicles. So much “Well, now Gazprom Kapets” was not even when he really could have been kapets.

What in fact?

The whole idea with a wall-mounted battery is an attempt to further monetize the spent batteries. That is, in the Tesla battery module, a bunch of 18650 elements - they produce their resources in different ways - so it makes sense to somehow disassemble these blocks and put batteries somewhere, for example, half the capacity (which have lost their 2500% after 20, and then More 20%, for example). Since Tesla does not produce batteries, this is the only way to get a lot of cheap 18650 “almost working” elements from somewhere - the capacities of which are not very good for the machine and OK for the wall battery.

The ad tells about the fact that two versions of the Powerwall battery will be produced - on 7 kilowatt-hours and on 10. At the cost of 3 and 3.5 thousands of US dollars. Also, the picture “Beautiful Tesla is beautifully charged from a wall-mounted battery, everything is so white and technologically advanced” - however, how to charge a car that has a kilowatt-hour battery from an 85 battery, in which 7 or 10 is a mystery that has not waited for its researcher.

The 85 kilowatt-hour machine charges from one 7 kilowatt-hour battery. To get around the corner and shoot, I guess.

Ostap Petrikovich Mask: Full Exposure of the Developments of the “Millennium Genius”
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The battery promised to give 2 kilowatts constantly and up to 3 in peak.
To illustrate, the benefits were shown, of course, signs like “That's how much the most expensive electricity costs, but how much is the cheapest at night, you just imagine ...” and other tinsel, which Ilf and Petrov described in the immortal “Citizens of New Vasyukov nothing a century ago will spend! They will love it! ”

Well, immediately after the announcement (in which it was promised to begin deliveries within a few months), after studying the technical specifications, the following was clarified - the entire declared scheme and financial component are simply invented. Let us see why.

Specified technical parameters - what capacity, what - especially! - power output, do not give any opportunity to operate the battery as indicated in the advertisement. In fact, if we assume that a hipster with a laptop lives in an apartment, then this power will be enough for a laptop, modem, light bulb and you can turn on the microwave. But there is no sense in hanging a battery in an apartment, because there is no place to put generating capacity, so the target audience is the owners of the cottages. And there immediately another list of consumers is all sorts of pumps for water, tracking cameras, external and internal lighting, household appliances (refrigerator, washing machine, stove, a lot of little things like a kettle, which, however, eats according to 1.5-2 kilowatts) as well as air conditioners, possibly underfloor heating and heaters, and of the entertainment part of computers, televisions, audio systems. All this for the sum in 2 kilowatts does not fit, and in peak-time 3 - too.

If you hang several batteries, this linearly increases the cost, and other issues arise.

For example, a security issue - how lithium batteries burn beautifully-detonate if damaged, you can see on YouTube - and estimate how a meter-sized battery pack crashes (for detonation, depressurization is enough - for example, someone on the other side of the wall will be careless drill). Therefore, the battery must be placed in a safe room, with good ventilation (i.e., plus air conditioning, plus costs). Further, the owner’s permission is required for its installation (for example, not everyone agrees to place such hazardous equipment in the mortgage house - and who agrees will increase the cost of insurance to cover the new potential risk).

By the way, installation itself, by the way, is a separate topic - in fact, you need to redo the entire network at home so that all sockets and fixed consumers can be connected to the battery (or battery pack), and the protection added (RCDs are the same) and the new circuit is installed from the general network and from generating capacity). Judging by the information on the Tesla website, some partners had to make this operation - as is clear, as a result, the price of all this from 3 thousand dollars goes very far.

Also, the losses on the inverter were completely ignored - for many believers in Mask it was a revelation that the current in the outlet is alternating and in the battery it is not - and that a special device is needed that will do this conversion. And that this device has its own efficiency - and not particularly good (for example, you can see the power supply for computers - there you will have to pay several times more for the power supply with the efficiency 80 + or 90 + than for the usual one). And the battery has efficiency - that is, on each charge-discharge from the common network, there is a double loss - on current conversion and on charge-discharge of the battery with non-100% m efficiency. And all this is heated, and it needs to be cooled - and this is also a power consumption.

The interesting situation with a guarantee is finishing up - the 10 warranty is on the battery for years, but it is on the battery as a device, and not on the battery modules. That is, the real resource in terms of the number of charge-discharge cycles is not indicated, and Tesla evades direct questions about it. This is understandable - after all, inside the battery, used 18650 modules from the car, their real life in cycles is incomprehensible, and these batteries themselves are not covered by the warranty. The logical scheme is when you buy, for example, a TV, because you get a remote with it, but no one says that replacing the batteries in the console during the warranty period for the TV is free.

And, of course, the generating capacity with the required parameters also costs money and needs maintenance and proper installation. In order to properly power such a battery, it will be necessary to have an impressive area of ​​solar batteries or a wind turbine with 4 meter blades minimum - and all this needs space on the site (such a wind turbine will be problematic due to vibration) and again pay, pay, pay . Everything according to the precepts of the spiritual father I. Mask - comrade Mavrodi - the sucker has to pay.

The result of all this is simple - if the stated specifications are correct, then you can only use this in a country house, moreover, you will need several batteries, in a separate room, you will need to order an alteration of the entire electrical network of the house, plus installation and installation of a wind turbine or solar panels, plus an inverter ( and all this should be carried out by certified and authorized dealers, and the equipment - the same inverter - must be compatible with Powerwall), and as a result, the total consumption will only grow in general - because the network will appear I am a new load in the form of a battery, which will be discharged-charged with efficiency 100% m, and, therefore, to spend.

The total amount of the event will not be thousands of dollars 3, but somewhere in 10 more, plus there will be a fee for support (replacement of battery cells, maintenance of a wind turbine). It is possible to recoup all this by the difference in pennies on a day-night kilowatt for such a time, which makes the whole event meaningless - well, or it is necessary to increase electricity consumption to speed up the payback, but battery wear will accelerate - about which the manufacturer is tactfully silent, although this is an interesting item . Imagine, let's say that the kettle is turned on (normal, 2 kilowatt).

The battery switches to the “urgently give up to the maximum” mode. The kettle boils and turns off - the battery switches back to “background recharging”. Now the microwave - and again this situation, for a minute, a sharp consumption, and then - back. The charge-discharge cycles back and forth, the resource is ticking. But also security issues - such a thing in an apartment building cannot be mounted without the consent of neighbors (who wants to have such a bomb on the other side of the wall?), And in private - without increasing the cost of insurance.

When all this was published (I made a detailed posting with approximately the same text), as comments there were only tears “Mask genius, he will succeed - it is a pity that I cannot donate money for this battery in this country, however thanks to Mask in half a year there will be no Gazprom and rashki, then such batteries will be given to us by smiling American soldiers. ” It is logical - to say something essentially nothing. Moreover, it was not possible to give an example of the scenario in which this megabattery pays off. That is, if, for example, we assume that this is a big house with a plot - “solar panels will easily fit on the roof, plus there is always sun”, then in this clearly equatorial or tropical place there will be a large item on air conditioning costs, i.e. the larger the house, the greater the cost of electricity for the systems serving it. If the house is small - there is such consumption that the difference in price per kilowatt will have to pay off a century.

Then began the fun.

The fuckers ran to order, proud of "so I will soon join elite electricity ... the battery includes such ordinary electricity, but it turns out so prestigious, with rounded corners, for successful people who deserve it." Mask collected the dough and first of all for some reason changed the technical parameters of the batteries - saying that the versions on 7 and 10 kilowatts will be with different number of charging cycles, in particular, “the younger model will have about 500 cycles”.

What is about 500 cycles? This means that by remaking the entire power supply system in the house, in six months you will be forced to buy a new battery. And even less. 500 cycles are the cheapest Chinese 18650s, which are not LiFePo4, but ordinary LiFe, they are on a scooter (which has 1-2 cycles per day, i.e. you travel somewhere one-time and put it on overnight for charging, everything is simple ) You can kill for six months of normal operation.

The people were surprised, but continued to wait. After all, just about a battery on the wall can be hung and it will bring you money - so in advertising.

Passed “a few months” after May 2015.

2016 has come.

Silence.

In 2016, the reporter, using a drone for video, makes a panorama of the factory where Powerwall batteries were to be “produced”. The result is depressing - what should have been done “a few months after May, 2015, and the money can be donated now”, has not even fully got a roof.

State subsidies and investors' money are mastered - but not equipment in the shops, not even a finished “box”. As well as for some reason, there are no omnipresent and looking from each presentation Ilona Mask solar panels. In general, everything somehow looks lifeless. And this is February 2016, yes.

Against this background, other interesting questions begin: Study: A Tesla Powerwall pays for itself after nearly 40 years.

It turns out that in a certain “normal consumption” scenario, all the savings from a battery serving the whole house will be about 53 US cents per day.

As you know, thousands of costs in such a scenario will never pay back - the battery alone will be 3.5 thousand, and the recommended and certified SE7600A-USS inverter from SolarEdge's StorEdge will cost 3.5 thousands more dollars.

Even if we assume that all alterations of the power grid are free, installation is free, solar panels and wind turbines are free, then by 53 a cent you can pay back 7 thousand dollars approximately 14 thousand days - well, if zero wear and tear, the battery efficiency does not break, nothing is cooled, the battery is cooled from space, the conversion power loss is zero, and more. And this - if the difference between day and night rates - is almost 5 times. And if less ...

This idiocy "our system saves money and electricity - so let us, for example, to emphasize possible savings, increase the amount of electricity consumption, then we will save more", by the way, is absolutely familiar at the level of reflexes in a typical consumer - he was already told that the more you spend on the card, the more the discount, and he is already used to it - so do not laugh, this is no longer idiocy, this is already bytovuha.

The situation is heating up, people ask “Well, where is our battery?”, And then Andy Tucker takes the train ticket, removes the pot, gets a wig from his bag, changes clothes, and ... but we don’t have O. Henry, we have 2016y year, and everything even cooler.

Musk declares that the Powerwall batteries are dazzlingly successful so that everyone sold out - well, for those who donated money for the first version, you just have to wait for the second one, which will be in August! You're lucky friends!

The people begin to quietly ofigevat. The people look at the pictures of the unbuilt factory, where they were supposed to produce batteries last year. The people are interested, and who received from those who ordered? The people think about how it turns out that everybody enrolled in the queue, and somehow it passed unnoticed. The people are interested, but how did it all turn out, if there are no certified partners to install Powerwall so that you can’t find a successful installation history. People are looking for reviews on the Internet using Powerwall - well, think for it, don't have them, reviews. How is that? All this is swept aside with a laugh, “See, everything will be even more cool, we are a dynamic company!”.

Dazzling successful, you say?

Tesla, in general, declares that a certain Powerwall party was delivered, to some secret testers who were amazed at the genius and wisdom of the solution, but were so quietly amazed that nothing, silence, and wait for the new version.

In a letter to the shareholders, Tesla punctured what was delivered “about 2500” by Powerwall, moreover, you are going nuts! - they were supplied to another company Ilona Mask, SolarCity, for a pilot project in California, on state-owned 500 homes.

That is, there is no battery production, it has not yet been physically created All terms are profukany. Apparently, the stated technical parameters can not be reached. The next step is being taken - the batteries are ordered on the side (perhaps in China), manually assembled in the form of a small batch in the US, and one company Mask sells them to another company Mask - with zero leakage of information on actual performance and operating data. All this within the framework of the development of the state means of the rich state of California, i.e. the commercial side of the issue, any payback there and so on is absent as a class, even the contract price is unknown. And the result is “yes, we successfully made the batteries, we won, we are fine, wait for the second version”. And yet you say that Musk is a bad showman? Oi vey.

At the moment since the announcement and “in a few months we will change the world” more than a year has passed. The situation has not changed - the plant “is just about to be built”, those who signed up and donated the money “just about” will start supplying the batteries. Two of my friends who live in California and ordered Powerwall for themselves, on the day of this publication received from Tesla only a letter advertising the second version of the battery.

An annoying buyer came for a miracle, but it turns out that a miracle has not yet been invented


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Yes, and one more thing - from the original two versions, on 7 and 10 kilowatt-hours, one remained - smaller. The ten-kilowatt battery was quietly removed from the site, and the 7 battery became the 6,4 battery. Such actions, as is clear, inspired even more customers who made a prepayment more than a year ago.
Such is the success of the resale of used Chinese 18650 elements in a beautiful package and with the obligatory payment of subscription service from certified partners, yes. Another breakthrough, everything is so technological, so successful, “Beautifully Functional” comes first in the list of the merits of the battery - well, you understand - and what are the rounded corners and the patented design, mmm ...

Let's go further. On the table is a soup of seven ...

Hyperloop

The magazine “Young Technician” was ahead of its time (I still remember such a Polish “Horizons of technology for children” - oh, times, times) so that by copying ideas from it you can ensure a comfortable existence.
One of these ideas is something like an increased pneumatic mail system, only a train with people instead of a capsule with a letter, and electromagnets instead of air pressure.

The technical concept is beautiful, but rests on a bunch of implementation issues. The support of a vacuum in a pipe with a diameter of several meters, moreover, with very strong vibration (a multi-ton colossus with a speed of a bullet flies by), for hundreds of kilometers is a nontrivial thing. Maglev, in principle, has already been implemented - but again, the cost per kilometer he has is huge. Safety issues (depressurization of the car and all at once the dead, as well as the slightest deviation from the trajectory and departure from the road), the issues of organizing stations - a lot of questions.

But this is the sad tech-realists - and we are about a cheerful, dynamic, successful, positive humanist with a female name Ilona.

Mask takes on the job perfectly - in 2012, he reports that a new type of transport is about to be born. Which eclipse Concord. Which can be used on Mars. Which will be (I understand that deja vu, yes) environmentally friendly and cheap (???). And in 2013 shows a video with a train-in-pipe. All questions - a wide smile "Do not be afraid, just give money."

Nobody, in general, is afraid, everyone is wondering what will happen, since the method for solving technical problems mentioned above is not given.

Mask promises to make a demonstration and show everything. Years go by, the sect of believers in Mask already believes that everything in secret laboratories has been working for a long time, and again it is waiting for the end of world energy (this time also logistics). Secret laboratories are actually called Hyperloop Transportation Technologies (HTT) - and this is not a firm, it's about 500 engineers working under a part-time scheme who gather at a Skype conference once a week and discuss thoughts and hypotheses about the future of Hyperloop. Those. let's say honestly - this already shows that no one wants to invest seriously. In November, 2015 finally (three years from the beginning has passed) begins the construction of a test line, which is scheduled for completion in 32 a month. Test Pipes. 32 of the month.

In the meantime, it goes, the public show a completely epic spectacle. It consists in the fact that on a piece of railway in several hundred meters there is a trolley. Everyone applauds.

Apparently, on the video, a certain top-secret breakthrough, which finally gives an explanation to questions like “keep a vacuum for hundreds of kilometers in the tube” - maybe it just didn’t fit into the frame, the angle was unsuccessful.

However, this does not interfere in any way with carrying out active work on cold calls to potential customers - right up to Russian Railways. The liberal press, of course, is trying to pass it off as a “stupid rashka trying to somehow even stand next to a genius American hi-tech”, but in fact Musk is looking for someone who will fit into the topic - apparently, taking into account the development of the state budget and corresponding personal interest expressed as a serious percentage of the amount. Well, the idea is clear - it’s not American taxpayers ’money to master on“ this train will be needed on Mars when trains will be needed there! ”, But to breed Papuans from the colonies into beads.

At the moment, the situation is stable - until the next demonstration of a trolley traveling on a piece of rail more than a year, new drawings are being drawn, new videos are being rendered, children's contests of the level of the Soviet Palace of Pioneers “How do you see the train of the future” are being held, there are no investments. By the way, solar panels disappeared from presentations and drawings - an alarming symptom, because all of the fantasies of the Mask solar panels and the mantra “are environmentally friendly, technologically, free” are an essential component. The main financial secret “Like a pipe with a vacuum, plus a maglev, plus a train at the speed of sound, can cost less than a conventional railroad track per kilometer” remains a secret. Even a breakthrough that was understandable for the development of US state funds in the direction of “We used to lag behind everyone in the field of railway transport, especially from China, and now we’ll break into leaders!” Calmed down - they didn’t even give them money for this “restoration of reputation”.

thinking

American show business has gone through a long history - and at the moment is the most important tool for educating the gray mass of the American people. The necessary films are driven in, for example, an inferiority complex - that all successful heroes are not people, but mutants, or some special ones by birth - the approach is “you yourself can’t do anything, but if you were pecked by a rooster and you’d become A rooster, that's when ... for now, sit and wait, Superman will fly in and save you. ”

The formation of the image “We always, damn it, number one, we are not losers, we kick ass and always save our asses” goes in parallel - so that an ordinary American would wave a flag, be happy to live in a “successful” country and not worry. Did not think.

You know the phrase - “what do you reflect on” - something like this, yes. “You just don’t know how much fun we have here and don’t have to think about anything,” as it was written in “Predatory Things of the Century”. So that everything would be exactly like this, we need an illustrative successful showman who goes out in the light of spotlights to the screech of the idolizing crowd. Paying for their participation in the films (and this gives the result - I personally saw an adult from a large Moscow IT company who was sure that “Iron Man” is a documentary about Ilona Mask) and who pays for spreading rumors to himself.

And - what is key - collecting money for this sight and a sense of belonging to Haythu from the audience.

American classics - "worship" with dances and songs, after which it is necessary to throw off a large bill for the needs of the church.

Well, there are ways to generate income for everyone. That does not negate the fact that this religion of “chanting haith idols and their fictional holy acts”, like any other, is the opposite of science and development, and slips bright and noisy, but only an imitation of progress - however, the average person needs bread and spectacles?

With this, everything is OK.

And further. I guess what kamenty will be here - so let's be clear right away.

1. I have money for Tesla. Unlike 99.9% of typical senior managers for sawing rollbacks on wholesale batches of servers for Russian Railways, tied to Mask, and so on.

2. The cry of "OIVYVSYYYRONSYTHESEASY I DIDN'T READ AHAHA ALREADY LAUGHTER - MASK GOD" is not considered an argument and is considered an expression of personal pain.

3. The approach “I went to write something that didn’t bother me at all, we, calm wise chuckling successful ko-ko-ko seems to be covering” is considered the beginning of an attack and requires medical intervention.
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  1. Same lech 25 May 2016 16: 03 New
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    American show business has a long history - and at the moment is the most important of the tools to educate the gray mass of the American people.


    They want to make the same gray mass from the people of RUSSIA ... raised a very important topic
    Ruslan V. Karmanov (Advanced Training)
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    I can clearly see how the media work for the benefit of the capital of RUSSIA, and indeed to the capitalists ... all the means of fooling a simple layman to the level of a biomachine without its own brains were thrown into use.
    1. potroshenko 25 May 2016 16: 15 New
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      I can clearly see how the media work for the sake of the capital of RUSSIA and indeed the capitalists

      Or maybe it’s not in capitalism, but in people in important areas? In any system, no matter how good it may seem, not honest people in power can ruin everything. But capitalism-communism-socialism-something else is already a development strategy that may not work if the gears are rotten. And in that country in which there is more injustice and ordinary people live worse.
      1. iConst 25 May 2016 17: 26 New
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        The author of the article is somehow inarticulate about batteries: If he talks about LiFe / LiFePo4, then they are not 3,7 volts (LiPol), but 3,3.

        The 18650 is 3,6V LiIon, not LiPol.

        Secondly, even basement china no longer produces simple LiFe - for LiFePO4 the technology and costs are the same, and the battery is better - 1000+ cycles.

        Thirdly, LiIon elements do not work in the cold - below + 10С the efficiency (loss of capacity) decreases sharply, and at zero it becomes about 10%.
        At the same time, LiFePO4 works up to -30С.

        True, the battery can be wrapped up and heated by itself.

        In general - a high-voltage battery is the most gimornoe element. It requires a special controller-balancer to charge. And the characteristics declared by the manufacturer are maintained only at a discharge current of 0,2 ° C and discharge cycles up to 10% and a full (!) Charge with high accuracy (0,05 volts).

        In this case, the battery should (for our person) be able to relatively easily replace an arbitrary element. Otherwise, a dead (severely lost capacity) one element nullifies the life of the entire battery.

        In a low-cost LiIon 2100-2300 scooter, the discharge can be 10C-20C. Resource is reduced several times.

        Regarding the lack of batteries at Panasonic - this is a lie. As much as five years ago, Panasonic bought Sagno, the leader in lithium and other batteries.
        And where are the plants - what's the difference?
        1. fzr1000 25 May 2016 17: 54 New
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          In Tesla, the batteries heat up. Somewhere on YouTube or on Drom.ru there is a report of the owner.
          1. Rus2012 25 May 2016 18: 27 New
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            Quote: fzr1000
            In Tesla, the batteries heat up. Somewhere on YouTube or on Drom.ru there is a report of the owner.

            http://tesla-automobile.ru/tesla-v-holodnuyu-pogodu/
            From a happy story major pontoreza owner
            ... The Tesla battery has a heater. This is necessary so that the car can be charged in cold weather. When you start driving in a cold car, the heater turns on and can consume up to 6 kW. Interior heating works in a similar way. An ordinary stop at a stop sign eats up as much power as if you were driving 60 km / h. Fortunately, with the warming up of a car, consumption indicators are reduced.
            1. fzr1000 25 May 2016 23: 00 New
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              I post it at the request of Anton (Opus) for discussion with the author of the article, although I think that it is necessary to communicate not through an “owl”, but tete and tete. Blacklists are for non-men.

              The original article first appeared to be here:
              http://rusvesna.su/future/1464100651

              Silly young people post in Learn
              http://tvsexycop.livejournal.com/34962.html
              carefully look at the author:
              Ruslan V. Karmanov
              3.See it in google.
              Especially onion seas and others I recommend.
              Reviews about him are epic

              lurkmore.to/Ruslan_Karmanov

              My Yota blocks access to lurkmore.to
              1. The spring was pierced a lot.
              2. It's a pity, they will laugh at us again
              3. I can only sympathize with the author and the topvar that I post such nonsense from such a source.

              I will not author:
              After "The pasta monster Ilona Mask, or the logical result of the adventure"
              / Faxing shit, cancer, cf ** th engineer, railway dimension 3,7 m and tenacity - nothing to regret, this is his property of the soul.
              I put a minus

              "Ashtrays fly to the moon" / Velors and co, a masterpiece compared to these slops
              http://www.free-inform.narod.ru/pepelaz/pepelaz-1.htm
              1. xtur 26 May 2016 10: 34 New
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                and what, Opus was banned that he himself does not enter into discussion, but transfers through others?
                1. fzr1000 26 May 2016 18: 47 New
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                  The author has it on the black list.
              2. abrakadabre 27 May 2016 10: 29 New
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                carefully look at the author:
                Ruslan V. Karmanov
                In fairness, the rules of discussion involve the voicing of arguments with evidence based on the author. And not the black-handed approach of hitting the identity of the author. Therefore, you personally deserve the iron minus from me. Regardless of the real personal qualities of the author of the article and the content of his opus.
                Consider yourself or under argument opus-And the author is not right - issue counterarguments. Consider it ... uh ... radish? What then do you yourself resort to dubious demagogic methods of pouring mud on the opponent.? You must be morally higher.
        2. Ingvar 72 26 May 2016 21: 31 New
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          Quote: iConst
          And where are the plants - what's the difference?

          To say about the one who spanks and who teases? wink I want to use goods not with Ali Express, but made by ours. And I do not need fairy tales about the effectiveness of globalization.
          But essentially komenta agree. hi
          P.S. Article - started for health, finished for repose. Neither + nor -.
        3. Felix 27 May 2016 06: 07 New
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          There is also the fact that Musk himself admitted that in order to release the promised volume of Tesla of 500 pieces per year, he will not have enough of all the lithium mined on the planet.

          Quote: iConst
          In this case, the battery should (for our person) be able to relatively easily replace an arbitrary element. Otherwise, a dead (severely lost capacity) one element nullifies the life of the entire battery.


          But this is unlikely. Look through the auto forums, what problems do the owners of hybrids face - the same Toyota that the Prius - there, the parameters of each element are looked at by their controller, calibrated and written to the general controller of the car. That is, the replacement of an individual element is not provided at all.
    2. Alexander Romanov 25 May 2016 16: 27 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      raised a very important topic

      I have not read the article either.
      1. Same lech 25 May 2016 17: 09 New
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        I have not read the article either.


        Bravo... smile for humor.

        I will be tossing more of my comments (I emphasize ... from my head ...)
    3. bastard 25 May 2016 19: 16 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      I can clearly see how the media work for the benefit of the capital of RUSSIA, and indeed to the capitalists ... all the means of fooling a simple layman to the level of a biomachine without its own brains were thrown into use.

      It seems to me that projects like "Skolkovo", "stem cells", "reproduction of neurons" and other chubaysyatin with a government flavor have been written according to the Gospel of Mask and the like. The main thing is that the steam goes to the whistle. In conversations, I often mention the program of Gundyaev and Solntseobodny (comrades from the Chabad-Lubavitcher sect) "church to every yard", it is not accidental that it costs nothing to deceive a believer.
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I have not read the article either.

      In vain, my friend, I rested, neighing well after work.
      1. smershxnumx 25 May 2016 22: 16 New
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        I read this opus early in the morning on Yaplakal.com. In kind, I cried ....
    4. Maksus 25 May 2016 21: 52 New
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      Why did Musk become so popular on the ax? A man - well done, really said that he would make a car - he did. It didn’t boggle Prokhorov with his lack of mobility ... And the whole future of the NSS cosmonautics is the same in him, guess this guy in one person (well, in the face of his company) is pushing the cosmonautics of the country participating in the space race. It is a pity we do not have such millionaires. Although there are trying.
      1. Maksus 26 May 2016 12: 46 New
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        I wonder who set the minuses? Fans of Prokhorov? I did not know that they exist)))
        1. Maksus 26 May 2016 19: 29 New
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          Wow, two more)
          1. Maksus 27 May 2016 07: 53 New
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            Oh, there are more. Well, after this I’m not at all surprised that someone goes to Chanson of the year and the concerts of Stas Mikhailov.
            1. Maksus 27 May 2016 11: 38 New
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              Fans of Dima Bilan and indignant men in extended trainings join us !!!
      2. Foxmara 27 May 2016 17: 47 New
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        Quote: Maksus
        This did not boggle Prokhorov with his nedoobomobile.

        Right. Prokhor boy in comparison))
        Quote: Maksus
        And the whole future of the NSS cosmonautics is in it alone, estimate, this guy in one person (well, in the face of his company) is pushing the country's astronautics

        The only question is where is he pushing her? Why are the United States still buying our engines? Well, the first step has sat down. And ... she can't fly anymore. Op. Whistle? The returned ship was already in both the states and ours. ALL technologies are already there. Europeans seem to already refuse to launch Ilon. Guess in whose favor?
        Quote: Maksus
        It is a pity we do not have such millionaires.

        But what about Red? wassat
        1. Maksus 27 May 2016 18: 16 New
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          Prokhor - an ordinary star-shaped, who tried to score points, and Tesla - rides and rides normally. Yes - the electric car is not yet for our climate, but in warm countries it’s a good thing.
          And what did Redhead do, what product?
          I don’t understand all the hype around Falcon, work is still underway on it. And the work, which has fruits, in contrast to Rusnano. When everyone laughed at stealth technology, so what? Today without stealth anywhere.
  2. VNP1958PVN 25 May 2016 16: 06 New
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    And further. I guess which kamenty there will be - so let's immediately clarify.
    Actually komenty-and somehow Bender inflicts request
  3. potroshenko 25 May 2016 16: 09 New
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    You can find out why such a sharp flurry of criticism on the Mask? Already the third article in a week, the second in a day.
    1. pavelty 25 May 2016 16: 25 New
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      Yeah, I also can’t understand something, Musk is right at every step. Some pour mud on it, others carry it on their hands and try to kiss in the ass) It's a mystery of nature ...
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      2. Nikolay K 25 May 2016 17: 35 New
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        The criticism of the author is largely fair. I agree with him in the main, Musk is not a techie, but a marketer. But this is not his minus, but his plus. Musk creates new PRODUCTS, the demand for which subsequently promotes technological progress. Moreover, as the author rightly points out again, he does not create a fundamentally NEW product, he only skillfully creates a beautiful shell for him, but this is what leads to the appearance of fundamentally new market niches.
        Take the same electric car. He appeared FIG knows when and by no means Tesla was the first in this market. But she created the FIRST PRODUCT of mass demand, she sent MODU to an electric car. Yes, the batteries are made by the Chinese. But the success of the Tesla project has become a huge Jolt for investment in the scientific development of new automotive batteries. And it doesn’t matter if Tesla, the Chinese come up with them, or who else, most importantly, mankind invents, evolves, does not stand still.
        I would have cast Mask as a model of technological capitalism. He does not just collect loot, pumping natural resources or sawing the budget, as is customary with us, he tries to make money with his head, investing in the very scientific and technological progress. What a pity that in our country there are few such Masks.
        1. xtur 26 May 2016 10: 40 New
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          I’m wondering, can someone without jerking in the article answer the questions raised by Musk’s critics - to prove that Mask’s projects are profitable, and to prove that his products have innovative characteristics.

          I skipped the previous cycle since Jagging and antics very poorly combined with a clear presentation and a thorough technical conversation.
          1. aiw
            aiw 26 May 2016 10: 49 New
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            > prove that Mask projects are profitable

            Well, is Musk still a businessman? If they are not profitable - go broke. Time will tell.

            > prove that its products have innovative characteristics.

            And what needs to be proved? Tesla's innovation? Well, give an analog. Innovation falcon? Well, tell me who before the Mask planted the first stage of the launch vehicle (or similar load) at such speeds and with such accuracy as the Earth’s atmosphere on a jet propulsion.
            1. xtur 26 May 2016 11: 01 New
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              > If they are not profitable, go broke.

              Well, the opponents of Mask are pushing that his projects survive only on state subsidies

              > Tesla's innovation? Well, give an analog.

              if I understood the topic I would write an article myself, what is incomprehensible here?
              1. aiw
                aiw 26 May 2016 11: 15 New
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                > Well, the opponents of the Mask push that his projects survive only at state subsidies

                They have already been refuted many times, the same Opus (about the Falcon). In any case, this is not an argument neither for nor against - in different countries there are different models of distribution of funds, somewhere (like in the USSR) gosudarstvo runs the bucket, somewhere it is handed over to private owners, somewhere something is average. An objective indicator is a working / not working thing - with Tesla Mask and Falcon, we have an e-mobile and a hangar.

                > if I understood the topic, I myself would write an article, what is incomprehensible here?

                Ok, there were no analogues, Musk was the first. It is clear that he didn’t personally draw it all, planed, soldered, but he was able to organize the process and make it profitable.
                1. xtur 26 May 2016 14: 55 New
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                  > They have already been refuted many times, the same Opus (regarding the Falcon

                  neither on our site, nor anywhere else have I read evidence of the profitability of the Mask business.

                  > OK, there were no analogues, Musk was the first.

                  I talked about an article where they would be considered in comparison with analogues, explained what is innovative. And I did not see such an article in which there would be enough technical details, and not a marketoid husk.
                  1. abrakadabre 27 May 2016 10: 52 New
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                    neither on our site, nor anywhere else have I read evidence of the profitability of the Mask business.
                    Well, the profitability of his projects in the sense of filling his personal pocket is beyond doubt. He does not look like an ascetic. But in a broader sense, it is more like financial pyramids, only in high-tech areas.
                2. Zvon 26 May 2016 16: 00 New
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                  That's right, in Russia we called the electric machine "E-mobile"! The first time I heard the name, the phrase “Emo-e” came to my mind immediately! The e-result didn’t work out, just like in the cartoon about captain Vrungel “what you call a yacht, it’ll sail!” The question is where were our PRs, advertisers and other managers? Why ours don’t do the same: presented a product (virtually) collected money from customers, then developed, tested, received certificates of quality and compliance, received state subsidies for this business, and finally put into serial production, and are everyone happy?
                  1. Foxmara 27 May 2016 18: 19 New
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                    Quote: Zvon
                    The question is where were our PRs

                    After the 80s, 90s, our people acquired immunity, it seems to me useless, it will not fail.
                    In general, he did similar redhead, NANO products))
                    Although, the Germans seemed to have bought a plant for the production of processors, they put it in Moscow, they all seemed to have broken through Skolkovo. Although I can lie, I don’t remember the exact details, if anyone is in the know, correct it.
                    here is a fresh idea:
                    http://topwar.ru/95853-v-rf-nachnetsya-razrabotka-plazmennogo-raketnogo-dvigatel
                    ya.html
                    In the Russian Federation, the development of a plasma rocket engine will begin
                    and first comment:
                    "Again in the future tense: First do - then say"
            2. fennekRUS 26 May 2016 23: 09 New
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              Quote: aiw
              If they are not profitable - go broke

              Well, breaking into the current economic realities is not necessary. Have you heard about a loan with a negative rate? And they give, and do not go broke. In fact, albeit chaotically and with stretch marks, the essence of the current model of a "society of developed marketing" is reflected. Old Man O`Henry will soon emerge in the Urals.
            3. Felix 27 May 2016 06: 22 New
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              Quote: aiw
              And what needs to be proved? Tesla's innovation? Well, give an analog.

              "In 1899, in St. Petersburg, a Russian nobleman and engineer-inventor Ippolit Romanov created the first Russian electric omnibus for 17 passengers" - from Wikipedia. Tesla differs only in the elemental base characteristic of the present.

              Quote: aiw
              Well, tell me who before the Mask planted the first stage of the launch vehicle (or similar load) at such speeds and with such accuracy as the Earth’s atmosphere on a jet propulsion.

              Aircraft with vertical take-off / landing? No, have not heard...
              Quote: aiw
              Well, is Musk still a businessman? If they are not profitable - go broke. Time will tell.

              Take away from him a free source of electricity in the form of the state - I will see what will happen to Tesla’s sales.
              1. abrakadabre 27 May 2016 10: 56 New
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                Well, tell me who before the Mask planted the first stage of the launch vehicle (or similar load) at such speeds and with such accuracy as the Earth’s atmosphere on a jet propulsion.
                For such large and expensive products, the question is not only about the technical feasibility or impossibility of implementation. But also in profitability. Against the background of existing systems without this landing.
        2. Zvon 26 May 2016 14: 36 New
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          Rogozin is really cooler than the Mask! He himself knows how to fly a fighter!
        3. Orionvit 27 May 2016 00: 21 New
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          Have you read the article carefully? Comrade Musk, as you rightly said, is a marketer and not a techie. A new product does not always mean a breakthrough in the technical field, as discussed in the article. A marketer, by definition, is not able to invent anything in the field of new technologies (equipment), but he perfectly invents new technologies in the field of earning money, which he does. And evolution here is only in the development of the theme, "1001 ways, once again shod a sucker." The article is remarkable, although stretched, although the author promised in short.
          1. abrakadabre 27 May 2016 10: 58 New
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            And evolution here is only in the development of the theme, "1001 ways, once again shod a sucker."
            And not just to put on shoes, but to put on shoes for a lot of money. Here he is a master - how to vparit goods at an excessively high price.
        4. abrakadabre 27 May 2016 10: 48 New
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          The price category of a Tesla car is by no means a commodity of mass demand. A mass-market product is a Chinese electric scooter for completely different, much more honest money.
        5. Foxmara 27 May 2016 17: 56 New
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          Quote: Nikolai K
          What a pity that in our country there are few such Masks.

          Unfortunately, we have enough of these. My boss is like that. He doesn't understand a damn thing about managing people, but considers himself a genius. He is drop dead yap, i.e. a businessman. And while he worked as a salesman - everything was fine, and as a director - a complete HS. Money is immeasurable, but he has a strong faith in himself, and with his deputies he put the same incompetent yap - several clones, now they are yawning, and several people are working for them who really pull. After the last "meeting" everyone was fucked up, he carried such a blizzard. Unfortunately, in our capitalism a lot of incompetent people are sitting in the wrong place, the whole country suffers from this.
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    3. Vadim237 25 May 2016 17: 09 New
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      This is such a subtle preparation of the public for the upcoming Mask breakthrough.
      1. hrych 25 May 2016 21: 54 New
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        Quote: Vadim237
        to the upcoming Mask breakthrough.

        Hurry to the upcoming impulse Mask. Yes, there is no breakthrough. Unhappy first step. The breakthrough was in the Space Shuttle program - it was a real qualitative leap in the development of the orbit, but the level of technology and materials led to the collapse of this program and a bunch of victims. There were reusable ship and accelerators, only a large fuel tank burned out. And here, after all, the real things are described by the critic, a lot of accidents, even with a regular landing, there is a fault, the body is deformed, the engines need to be sorted out and in the end it turns out that it is cheaper to re-assemble everything. This is a completely objective criticism, and in jet engines the resource is extremely small and any reuse is fraught with loss of both carrier and cargo. This is objective and undeniable.
        1. gridasov 25 May 2016 22: 27 New
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          It was rather a breakthrough desire than a real breakthrough. No, of course, at the first stage all the achievements are obvious. However, the project was closed due to the obvious complete inability of man to move in space, preserving the natural existence of man and the possibility of returning back to the planet. Those who are really familiar with the results of this breakthrough realized that it was still necessary to master a lot of questions. To begin with, it is impossible to lie and live in illusions. Cosmos is a new environment and everything in it is not as storytellers draw. Therefore, and above all, we need a new person and a new consciousness
        2. aiw
          aiw 26 May 2016 10: 52 New
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          > a lot of accidents,

          This is normal when developing a new technology and generally a new launch vehicle.

          > even with a regular landing there is a troubleshooting

          The shuttle and the TT accelerators of the shuttle also went troubleshooting.

          > for jet engines, the resource is extremely small and any reuse is scarce

          Excuse me, what did the shuttle take off on? Didn’t he have a jet engine there?
          1. Orionvit 27 May 2016 00: 38 New
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            Can you even imagine what space flight is, what a space program is, and how much money does it all cost? Europeans even united in ESA, because not every developed state alone is capable of pulling such a cart of space-related problems. And here the lonely enthusiast takes literally “pennies” to make a breakthrough and shut up the countries that have been working on these problems for more than sixty years. Correctly, the author cited an analogy with New Vasyuki, all of this is designed for illiterate suckers. So, increase your level of technical knowledge, and you will also say that the Americans were on the moon, if now they simply can’t fly into space.
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      Ministry of Transport is going to invest in Super Loop!
    5. bunta 27 May 2016 18: 11 New
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      But the fact is that the state has lost the ability to control the development of science and technology. All American achievements from landing on the moon to rovers were made under state administration. Over time, the top snickered, and she had the ingenious idea to give everything to private owners from the army and collecting taxes to space programs. The Russian comprador elite completely copies this model.
      We are all given to China and India.
      This flurry, an attempt to stop brainlessness.
  4. opus 25 May 2016 16: 10 New
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    Dirty little article, dirty author
    The original first appeared, it seems, here:
    http://rusvesna.su/future/1464100651

    Silly young people post in Learn
    http://tvsexycop.livejournal.com/34962.html
    carefully look at the author:
    Ruslan V. Karmanov
    3. Search it in google:

    Especially onion seas and others I recommend.
    Reviews about him are epic

    lurkmore.to/Ruslan_Karmanov

    My Yota blocks access to lurkmore.to
    An expat settled in China
    Solid dirt. Decent people do not sit next to him.
    Oh, what I wrote

    1. The spring was pierced a lot.
    2. It's a pity, they will laugh at us again
    3. I can only sympathize with the author and the topvar that I post such nonsense from such a source.

    I will not author:
    After "The pasta monster Ilona Mask, or the logical result of the adventure"
    / Faxing shit, cancer, cf ** th engineer, railway dimension 3,7 m and tenacity - nothing to regret, this is his property of the soul.
    I put a minus




    "Ashtrays fly to the moon" / Velor and co, a masterpiece compared to these slops
    http://www.free-inform.narod.ru/pepelaz/pepelaz-1.htm
    1. hrych 25 May 2016 17: 41 New
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      Write a libel refutation of parts in three or four with a bunch of pictures, and even better understand electrochemical corrosion, or you climb into dark matter (which was conceived by scammers from science grantoids like Ilona and co. In order to ..., put aside, ears pulled Einstein heresy ), but with elementary problems.
      Quote: opus
      Silly young people post in Learn

      Yes, yes, all 3,14 ..sy, one I am Dartagnan.
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      Decent people do not sit next to him.

      Fraud and ended laughing . I sincerely wish that you be accepted into this company, on corrosion, like the F-22 and burn, and the long habit that you repeatedly mentioned is not a problem, you can shorten it at any time laughing
      Quote: opus
      I can only sympathize with the author and the topwar that I post such nonsense

      Topwar will figure it out somehow ...
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      "Ashtrays fly to the moon"

      So until now, technology does not allow you to personally visit the moon, not like forty years ago. But after all, the USA is an idol for you, but the obvious degradation of the scientific and technical sphere, both in aviation, rocket science, and in the nuclear industry, is in the face. But there is only one reason, the geniuses left the Russian Empire who fled from the Bolsheviks (ala Sikorsky and Zvorykin), the geniuses who fled from the Nazis (ala Fuchs and Bor), the Nazi geniuses left (ala Brown), but the USSR fell and a wave of geniots surged with stolen patents (for the development of Ufimtsev), the laboratories were flooded, avramic nepotism began, etc. This is the result, the purchase of dviguns from sworn friends, the hitchhiking for astronauts and dubious projects, wow, with an eye on Mars belay. They didn’t figure it out on the Moon, although everything is clear to you ...
      1. Vadim237 25 May 2016 20: 24 New
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        Just in the late 60s, technologies made it possible to fly to the moon, but it was and remains a very expensive pleasure - they don’t fly there, and for the children of the conspiracy theory it’s a mystery where they found such a giant pavilion for shooting the lunar surface (photo attached) ) there in the foreground, behind the lunar module, a space of several kilometers in height and width.
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          Enjoy
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            What to enjoy this video when it's left.
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              I like this picture more. good
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              Here are the scenery for the shooting, and so here everything is clear and the most important thing is the crane ...
              [img] http://bolshoyforum.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_Is filmed_you
              cradle to the moon [/ img]
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                As you know, the rails around the lunar globes for filming allegedly from orbit in motion, etc.
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              It’s easy to prove, let’s repeat at least once ...



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        2. abrakadabre 27 May 2016 11: 08 New
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          where they found such a giant pavilion for filming the lunar surface (the photo is attached) there in the foreground, behind the lunar module, there is a space of several kilometers in height and width.
          In the Borodino panorama, a perspective of several km is also visible. Although the premises of the panorama itself are not at all epic in size. AND WHAT?..
          Take a very low resolution panorama b / w through a dirty lens. And, lo and behold, the full effect of presence and the inability to determine that it is painted, not reality.
          Not an argument at all. This I am not writing to you in defense of your opponent, but in indicating the weakness of your argument.
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        2. I am human 27 May 2016 09: 36 New
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          Cheaper are you, Mr. Opus, all your attacks are smacked of Bandera pro-American ... Get out!
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      Silly young people post in Learn

      Uncle!!! And did you think that young people would be a humble herd and love the USA? No uncle, no again! You yourself wanted, dreaming of 200 varieties of sausage in cabinets, so that a critical-minded generation would grow up, so here we are, more and more eaten !!! tongue
      And looking like lovers of treasured French rolls broke firewood, we understand that under a beautiful wrapper hides cacao! wassat
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        1. kugelblitz 25 May 2016 21: 47 New
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          I'm Byashka, a fighter for the truth.

          Uncle! You probably think your truth, the most truthful truth in the world!
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          Not knowing me what you are talking about, nonsense about 200 varieties?

          Because uncle! I have read enough of your posts about the "backward rushka", stupid engineers who do not absorb the advantages of the best technologies in the world! Not a damn thing, but in the West !!! Doooo, where are we Lapotnikov! Even Pentium bastards can’t get rid of! (Although IMHO, x86 processors for a really huge amount of information, barnyard, a CPU with SIMD architecture is better for such tasks, but they are not the most complex in design)
          Quote: opus
          Well, by kakah you know better.

          Uncle!!! You need to be more tolerant, TOLERANT !!! wassat
          1. opus 25 May 2016 22: 02 New
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            Uncle!!! You need to be more tolerant, TOLERANT !!!

            I, unlike you, do not digest geymeninstva.
            There are children and not one, we are waiting for grandchildren.
            T.ch. go for it "boy" go for it .. In pink glasses (as in pink shorts) I suspect you live easier like that. Live
            1.Panasonic and Sanyo supply tesla unprotected batteries (until the plant starts),

            (This is not a "dokatka on Prius at 7 km, but traction)
            2. The cost of each battery, the cost of a similar battery is 45 000 USD.
            3. The battery compartment is formed by 16 blocks, which are parallel connected and protected from the environment by means of metal plates, as well as a plastic pad that prevents water from entering.
            3. Why did the boy tear the last picture of Tesla's batteries (did they disintegrate them for years?
            (whom I wanted to deceive ...)
            yourself? the same boys?
            Battery Tesla Model S. What's inside? Disassemble (link, click, for UO)

            Boy Dispel "Normal Toyota Batteries, SAME

            Tesla here, and about the batteries and about the "jamb" (go for it)

            cool guys with us, picking everything
            --------------------------
            When assembling their batteries, Tesla uses elements manufactured in various countries, such as India, China, Mexico, but the final refinement and packaging are made in the United States. The company provides warranty service for its products for up to 8 years.
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              I, unlike you, do not overtake gay minorities.

              Oooh, uncle !!! Already the callers go! Fsёvovreti Ouzyakie !! wassat
              Quote: opus
              This is not a "dokatka on the Prius for 7 km, but a traction

              Uncle, but at least to the flashlight, the point is not in shoving standard elements, but in creating special ones, both protected and lighter. They push the poppycock simply. smile
              As for the "corrupt girl of imperialism," this is to the laureate of the Stalin Prize and the hero of social work Lebedev, the creator of the first electronic computer in continental Europe. At one time, a purely Soviet processor was created in Zelenograd for staffers and minicomputers, which was pretty good, but they were removed for the sake of supporters "better in the West". Type DEC will provide all the technology and more. wassat
              1. opus 25 May 2016 23: 58 New
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                Oooh, uncle !!! Already the callers go! Fsёvovreti Ouzyakie !!

                closer to the topic, but now I’ll start to remember about the lack of calories to receive a full education full mental activity (note: about the victims of the exam)
                essentially pzh (about "normal" Prius batteries)
                Quote: kugelblitz
                this is to the laureate of the Stalin Prize and the hero of social work Lebedev, the creator of the first electronic computer in continental Europe

                LTD!
                Colleague"
                discuss it?
                by

                .
                to

                or about?

                I zzzza!
                1. kugelblitz 26 May 2016 12: 11 New
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                  Quote: opus
                  essentially pzh (about "normal" batteries for the Prius)

                  Well, let's talk about batteries, I mentioned the K587 processor, purely for encyclopedic interest, read about this asynchronous processor, whose ideas in a new manner suddenly began to be used in AMD and Melkosoft graphics computing. And about SIMD coprocessors at the same time. A striking example of the GCN APU kernel that can be used for OpenCL computing.
                  Sooooah! About batteries, for a start, disassemble your smartphone and your spouse's smartphone, compare sizes, capacity and estimate the possibility of their scaling. If they are of different sizes, it is much easier than packing 18650, i.e. to assemble a special battery, protected by an external casing, an integrated controller, that means here it is the desired battery for an electric car.
                  And there are questions to Tesla, why didn’t they use the motor wheels? wassat
                  1. gridasov 26 May 2016 12: 33 New
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                    Motor-wheel is a possibility of a breakthrough into the future. The fact is that, by and large, each wheel operates in separate and special conditions, while they are connected through a housing. Therefore, synchronization can be carried out only if it is an electric motor-wheel. This and more material is less expensive. This will generally allow the robot to drive the car. In general, there are so many aspects that it is undoubtedly worth developing the motor wheel.
                  2. opus 26 May 2016 13: 15 New
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                    And there are questions to Tesla, why didn’t they use the motor wheels?

                    I will only answer this (the rest is not worth the attention)
                    ОТВЕТ unsprung mass

                    this is not a solvable task yet: what is suitable for the BELAZ, Tereks mining dump truck.
                    Doesn't roll for la:
                    handling, dynamics, comfort, etc.

                    The ratio of unsprung and sprung masses in an automobile is on average 1:15. By changing this ratio, you can achieve a higher smoothness of the car. This ratio can be changed in two ways: by increasing the sprung mass or by reducing the unsprung mass. However, if you increase the sprung mass, for example, load the car interior to the maximum, the acceleration dynamics will decrease. But reducing the unsprung mass, you can save and even improve the dynamics, while achieving high smoothness. And this can be achieved only by reducing the weight of the wheels.
                    1. kugelblitz 26 May 2016 13: 46 New
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                      the rest is not worth the attention

                      Of course it’s not worth it, your truth, the most truthful zhezh! Where am I to the forefoot victim of the exam! wassat
                      And so the motor wheel! But we don’t drive in Formula 1 and ride a buggy on an intersection, we’ll push around the city on a trolley with batteries in traffic jams. In this case, the load can be scattered evenly along the motor wheels, for example. Like a Lunokhod (Yes, what! Again, not the Americans, here zhezh !!!)





                      Suddenly, even on buses and trucks.

                      1. opus 26 May 2016 14: 30 New
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                        Quote: kugelblitz
                        Suddenly, even on buses and trucks.

                        Why do you bring me buses and trucks? belay
                        there was a question
                        Quote: kugelblitz
                        And there are questions to TeslaWhy didn’t they use motor wheels?

                        Tesla DOESN'T LAUNCH NEITHER BUSES OR TRUCKS (LA) fool

                        1.Tesla Roadster
                        Tesla Model S
                        Tesla Model X
                        3
                        1140 kg + (depending on model)

                        The weight of 17 diameters can vary from 6,5 to 7,5 kg - this is an average.
                        Original cast disk R16 SANTIAGUITO (Ref 5402T0) - 9.2kg (Production Germany)
                        He is the original, but the production of Spain - 9,55kg
                        R16 replica almost all about 10kg +/-
                        PLUS TIRE
                        R16 SANTIAGUITO + 205/55 Continental contipremiumcontact 2 = 19 - 19,2 kg (depending on the remainder of the tread).

                        I explained about the "unsprung"

                        The optimal wheel weight for a medium-sized car is from 10 to 30 kg, excluding tires. Fit into these tight frames of the motor-wheel impossible

                        weight of the Active Wheel motor wheel second generation assemblyinstalled on the Heuliez WILL concept, is 42 kg

                        This result was achieved due to the extreme miniaturization of all structural elements - a leading electric motor, a single-stage lowering planetary gear reducer, an electric motor for controlling the suspension and turning of wheels, springs, a brake mechanism and a liquid cooling system.


                        Venturi Volage total 7 kg (75 hp and a torque of 58 N • m developed in the range from 0 to 8500 rpm), entrails in the Active Wheel fit in 11 kg.

                        High-speed electric motors of motor wheels need a reduction gear. It must be compact and airtight.

                        Result: Venturi Volage, Double all-wheel drive roadster, volume of production: 10 copies per year, Cost (for 2012): € 297 000
                        Is it "we need"?
                        Quote: kugelblitz
                        Where am I to the forefoot victim of the exam!

                        at least I don’t get into those questions in which I don’t petrify (to remind about the solid propellant rocket engine and "decrease in draft")?
                      2. kugelblitz 26 May 2016 14: 53 New
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                        Quote: opus
                        Why do you bring me buses and trucks?

                        Why are we going to smoke in the center of the city if we already hit the environment? wassat
                        Quote: opus
                        Tesla DOESN'T LAUNCH NEITHER BUSES OR TRUCKS (LA)

                        He cited as an example that an electric car is not a car and features are not a sin to apply in a design. At the same time, there will be more space left for the batteries. And the layout is something like this, with miniature wheels.



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                        at least I don’t get into those questions in which I don’t petrify (to remind about the solid propellant rocket engine and "decrease in draft")?

                        Well, I did not expect to hear another from such a smart uncle, all the more if my uncle was stumbling onto the Shuttle rocket boosters.
                      3. opus 26 May 2016 15: 35 New
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                        Why are we going to smoke in the center of the city if we already hit the environment?

                        1.Auto in the world more than 2, how many buses against their background can not be seen
                        2. The bus carries 20-100 people, cars: 1-4.
                        the bus craps up approx 40% than a unit of a car (mode, speed, more space for cat, etc.)
                        specific to the transported unit of a live head-bus spoils pah (50 times less cars)
                        3. Ostap Petrikovich Musk: Full exposure of the development of the "genius of the millennium", as if not struggling with the next genetics, cybernetics , ... by cars
                        Passazhiravtotrans will test and engage assembly of Czech electric buses Skoda

                        Petersburg bus fleet may recharge electric cars from China (BYD) or the Czech Republic



                        25.04.16/11/12 XNUMX:XNUMX final
                        "Passengersautotrans" discusses the possibility of localizing the production of BYD electric buses in St. Petersburg
                        BYD produces electric cars. One of the largest manufacturers of batteries and energy saving systems in the world. BYD electric buses are operated in some European countries, in particular in Finland.
                        Quote: kugelblitz
                        even more so if the uncle stumbles on the Shuttle rocket boosters.

                        1. Uncle, unlike the "boys" and did not know what the SRB was made from another test!
                        side with rocket engine, ali already pumped helium.
                        2. For "victims of the exam, who can not build a simple chain:
                        falayte (or what you do there)
                        MX LGM-118A Peacekeeper

                        look at the nozzle nozzles at the beginning ("thrust falls"

                        - >> Minotaur (1,2,3,4,5) from Orbital Sciences Corporation

                        Is there any difference, what do you think the “filetaker”?
                        What has changed?
                        explain how much g (and for what? KSPPRO) and how much g is Minotarva (and why)
                      4. kugelblitz 26 May 2016 15: 51 New
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                        Quote: opus
                        per unit of living head transported

                        It’s clear that the bus carries more, but the trolleybus still doesn’t crap, but the conversation is about the concept and genius. It turns out that mask-cars are finger-type cars, not at a low price for the elite, a chassis built according to the concept of a conventional car with a transverse engine, I won’t talk about the characteristics, let’s leave it behind the scenes. Where is innovation here, if only I see marketing ?! wassat
                        Quote: opus
                        MX LGM-118A Peacekeeper

                        Where is your Peacemaker now? Foul stol?
                        With such a craving at the start, a katsmanavtof just carry !!! wassat
                        As I understand it, nozzle nozzles are designed to increase the degree of expansion thereof, as we say in this.
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                        Where is innovation here, if only I see marketing ?!

                        you tired me, an unprincipled "bazaar" is not clear what.
                        Like living in pink underpants glasses, flag to you.


                        I’ll only add about NK (all native)
                        Quote: kugelblitz
                        Where is your Peacemaker now? Foul stol?

                        Do you have vision problems?
                        MX is now Rocket Launcher MINOTAUR, blooms and smells

                        (only some individuals with topvar sour rocket fuel)
                        Minotaur, the same MX, the same SR-118, SR-119, SR-120 (sometimes variations)
                        Fourth stage - Star-48BV (or Orion 38 from Pegasus LV)
                        Fifth step - Star-37FM or Star-37FMV (or something from the Taurus launch vehicle)
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                        As I understand it, nozzle nozzles are designed to increase the degree of expansion thereof, as we say in this.

                        And then "go" weakly?
                        - Why do I need to increase the degree of expansion of the nozzle? PURPOSE?
                        - Why do you have to increase the degree of expansion of the nozzle?
                        Why didn’t the SNF be installed on the TRW-1 LM Descent Engine (LMDE)?
                        Oh sorry sorry, “Shikingfak”, this is Hollywood. he wasn’t there (from what drawings then, "the kid with bulging eyes tore off Merlin1" -hz). why take a steam bath?
                        Frets, then take MD ODE 17D12:

                        CH the same was not, however, as at all
                        38 UD + 8 DTO and 4x solid propellant rocket engine emergency department.
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                        Quote: opus
                        you tired me, an unprincipled "bazaar" is not clear what.

                        Uncle! Why are you, as a gopnik from raYona, gutar? wassat
                        Quote: opus
                        MX is now Rocket Launcher MINOTAUR, blooms and smells

                        Uncle! I wasn’t banned from Google, I was completely informed about the Minotaur, much less Peacemaker was removed from service under the agreement, although evil tongues say that it was extremely beneficial for the Americans to dismiss them, leaving the Minitmen in service.
                        And when was the last launch?
                        Quote: opus
                        - Why do I need to increase the degree of expansion of the nozzle? PURPOSE?
                        - Why do you have to increase the degree of expansion of the nozzle?

                        Uncle! I specifically hinted at the nozzle, in principle, showing its purpose, let’s tell you a clever rocket launcher and a specialist how to guess two fingers on the asphalt!
                        And what's there with electric cars finally? wassat
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                        Mdya ... They explained to you on the fingers that the motor-wheel is a beautiful concept, but it doesn’t work for a Tesla-type car - wheels are too heavy, other qualities suffer. Mask is still not a concept car, but does a production car, it is necessary that it is not current conceptually beautiful, but also went.

                        Since such simple things from the twentieth repetition are still incomprehensible to you, why do you even write in a technical topic? fool
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                        Do you even write a technical topic?

                        Sorry, but if you get into a dispute, then read the comments carefully, please.
                        I would not argue if it was a purely racing or off-road car, but in the role of a compact city, the weight of the motor wheels will not be so significant with 13-15 "wheels. The roads in the city are flat, unsprung masses are less loaded, and if the power is scattered over all wheels, it is possible to reduce the weight of the engine by starting 4 to accelerate and turning off 2 after gaining speed, and indeed jeeps with a continuous axle have, if not large masses, does not interfere!
                        I do not see another role, except as an urban vehicle, or of a suburban.
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                In grappled not childishly. It is clear in the article that they invented a bicycle. That is, an ordinary electric car with a patented design, or anything new, even the components and components of Chinese production. As now, however, everything in the states. So-so machine for lovers of exclusive with dough.
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              The main reason why motor wheels are not common in a few models of electric cars is the need to place equal angular velocities / cardan in the inner volume of the hinge wheel and, most importantly, a disc brake with good heat dissipation to the external environment.

              The most optimal at the moment is the design of the birotor electric motor for each of the axes, placed on the site of the differential. The rotors are connected to planetary reduction gears, and those with CV joints / driveshafts.
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              If we talk about the most advanced motor-wheel Duyunov and I will not emphasize the reasons for this advancement, then we can say that the motor-wheel itself is not important, but what new effect is applicable there. Obviously, this effect is not yet comprehended by the developers themselves. So, if you apply a new type of induction coil on the Duyunov motor wheel, then on one rotor you can get a divided circuit where one works as a motor and the other as a generator. And if we develop the topic further, then the motor-wheel can be combined with a mover that will work instead of the propeller blades in air or water. Therefore, you just need to see deeper.
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              Quote: Operator
              The main reason why motor wheels are not common in the few models of electric cars is it is the need to place equal velocity / universal joint in the inner volume of the wheel and most importantly disc brake with good heat sink to the environment.

              fool
              1. The hinge of equal angular speeds in the motor wheel -NO, and he doesn’t need him there


              SHRUS provides transmission of torque at angles of rotation up to 70 degrees relative to the axis.

              It is used in drive systems of steered wheels of cars with independent suspension and, less commonly, rear wheels and in the drives of the front wheels of SUVs.


              2. Cardan in the motor wheel -NO, and he tries there three times is not needed


              Cardan (Cardan transmission) - design, transmitting torque between the shafts, intersecting in the center of the driveshaft, and having the possibility of mutual angular movement.

              3. Here's the preparation of the wheel motor:


              SHRUS? Cardan? Disc brake?
              belay
              4. In the motor wheels, as a rule, the DRUM brake (the disc is difficult there,in the absence of a toroidal disk, as well as cardan and SHRUS mu)



              5. The heat from the traction Em is even more difficult to take away
              The main problem is the gearbox !!!
              Traction EM is up to 8000 rpm
              and protect against moisture / dust + large unsprung mass.
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              Again in a puddle ....
            5. kugelblitz 28 May 2016 06: 29 New
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              The main problem is the gearbox !!!

              The gearbox there is the smallest of evils, all the more planetary. And with these in my work, I have the least problems. The main thing to monitor the bearings, while structurally simple.
              And there are high-torque electric motors, but they are complex and quite expensive, it will be cheaper to put a planetary gearbox multiplied by a brushless DC electric motor. Already this can partially solve the problem with sealing. Cooling the winding is quite simple, the edges of the body perfectly remove heat, this is not BelAZ.
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              highinstant

              There are instant lotteries, loans, loans, as well as:
              instant payments ukrsibbank
              instant payments ukreximbank
              instant payments aval
              Sberbank instant lotteries
              well, etc .:
              Value
              carried out immediately, very quickly; instant ◆ Learn the truth: continuity and perseverance in profit and, most importantly, in accumulating stronger instant benefits, even at least one hundred percent! F. M. Dostoevsky, “The Teenager,” 1875 (cited from the National Corps of the Russian Language, see References) ◆ The forensic autopsy revealed that the wound inflicted on General Strelnikov, belonging to the category of absolutely fatal, should have led to instant death. V. Zhelekhovsky, “The Process of 17 People’s Volunteers”, 1883 (quote from the National Corps of the Russian Language, see References) ◆ He thinks little of his actions and acts under the influence of an instant outburst of anger. P. I. Kovalevsky, “Nebuchadnezzar, Tsar of Babylon”, 1900–1910 (quote from the National Corps of the Russian Language)
              Repeat:
              Quote: opus
              you tired me, an unprincipled "bazaar" is not clear what.

              Request: I don’t have to write (to mine), answer. Well, how can I perceive these things without hiccups:

              ?
              You there, someone reasonable wrote correctly: "in essence !?"
              PS: In South Africa, a new human species, Homo naledi, was found (its brain volume was almost half that of Homo sapiens.

              Not a kinsman?
            7. kugelblitz 29 May 2016 09: 12 New
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              There are instant lotteries, loans, loans, as well as

              Okay, okay, guardianship, of which I have in bulk, I gave you a good reason to get to the bottom, the gramarnacy was indignant at you! wassat
              So the question is, will it fit well highmoment electric motor DC current in the motor wheel? Since you are such a wacky istеOryos! Or maybe even laterаto the aliens from Sirius! Bring light and knowledge to us lapotniki here!
              And also, than the planetary gearbox is bad, let’s say than the CV joint.
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              Since you are such a wacky true Oriyans!

              8000 rpm traction em wheel (100 times already wrote).
              Wheel speed at 60-80 km / h for 14 ": approximately 8 -20 revolutions per second
              therefore:
              Quote: kugelblitz
              The gearbox there is the smallest of evils, the more planetary

              this is a puncture.
              To squeeze a reducer into such volume (diameter, disk thickness. It is very, very difficult.

              I brought the photos of the offense.


              what is it?
              And you again for your ...

              Quote: kugelblitz
              And also, than the planetary gearbox is bad, let’s say than the CV joint.

              1. SHRUSov, like Kardanov, cannot be in an emkole, by definition
              Only the "operator", but everything is forgiven him
              2. Nothing than a gearbox is not worse than a CV joint. They are just DIFFERENT (for different purposes)
              Gear (mechanical) is a mechanism that transmits and converts torque, with one or more mechanical gears. The main characteristics of the gearbox are efficiency, gear ratio transmitted power, maximum angular speeds of the shafts, the number of drive and driven shafts, type and number of gears and stages.

              where \ omega_1 is the angular velocity of the drive shaft; \ omega_2 is the angular velocity of the driven shaft.
            9. kugelblitz 30 May 2016 07: 55 New
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              8000 rpm

              Not all engines need such revolutions, there are those that give out 1000-2000 rpm in operating modes. Moreover, DC motors have very flexible speed characteristics and do not painfully lose much torque at low speeds. Therefore, DC motors are still popular in various kinds of technology, such as machine tools and electric machines with variable loads, despite the presence of converters. Although they are trying to replace asynchronous with frequency regulation, as cheaper, in principle, it can also be applied with the installation of an inverter with PWM.
              In your case, they simply try to reduce the size of the engines due to the revolutions and gear ratio of the gearbox.

              Quote: opus
              I brought the photos of the offense.


              Quite small size and gearbox can be arranged inside the armature (rotor).

              Quote: opus
              .Shrusov, like Kardanov, cannot be in an emkole, by definition


              A CV joint with a sprung common motor on the frame opposed a planetary gearbox with several small ones, that's all. Motor wheels have one advantage that is extremely impressive, namely their versatility for hybrids and many different models. Those. releasing a new model, the developer does not have to break his head over the layout of the engine installation, for example, to a gearbox or a separate drive. In this case, you can simply install data instead of the rear ones on the front-wheel drive subcompact, partially replacing the levers and shock absorbers, stick the battery into the free volume and thus get a hybrid. The energy is received partly by recovery, partly from an amplified generator on the internal combustion engine. Not the most effective, but the essence of a cheap and massive system.
  • Cherdak 26 May 2016 14: 46 New
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    SW Anton, in principle, it’s a pity that you are being minuscule, and not constructively polemicized, but there is Ruslan’s site and you can openly tuck him in the tail and mane - because of the “indignant soul” ...

    Please, do not be like the "scavengers of Gerashchenko" with his Peacemaker and do not go into the personal space of a specific person - this may put his family in jeopardy. I don’t like Ruslan that you can’t even “eat” - arrange a personal meeting, even with force-based evidence, if in the same weight category.

    You here http://www.atraining.ru/trainers/karmanov/
    1. opus 26 May 2016 14: 56 New
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      at. Anton, in principle, it’s a pity that you’re being minus

      it’s not scary, they don’t beat the face and that’s okay.
      Could be worse(maybe it will):

      Quote: Cherdak
      but there is Ruslan’s site and there you can openly tail him in the tail and mane - by virtue of the “indignant soul” ...

      already trying
      Quote: Cherdak
      Please, do not be like the "scavengers of Gerashchenko" with his Peacemaker and do not go into the personal space of a specific person - this may put his family in jeopardy.

      I know, comprehended, went too far (Lukmore seaside me wrong, there the style is normal) + (I will explain in hp)
      "the word is not a sparrow, flew out do not catch"
      "written with a pen cannot be cut down with an ax"
      Quote: Cherdak
      You here http://www.atraining.ru/trainers/karmanov/

      Applied maskology?
      Maybe it’s applied to maskologists here (the American sent me this: is that true?)

      thought lying, but no:
  • bunta 27 May 2016 07: 38 New
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    Quote: opus
    Use:
    WHOIS domain karmanov.org

    I also know how to use whois, but before the disclosure of personal data I never dropped. For I respect not only the law, but also the right to privacy.
    1. opus 27 May 2016 17: 32 New
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      Quote: bunta
      I also know whois

      And I do not know how. This is data from google search engine.

      Quote: bunta
      but before disclosing personal data has never dropped

      I also
      1. The Federal Law of the Russian Federation "On Personal Data", N 152-ФЗ dated 27.07.2006/XNUMX/XNUMX
      Article 3. Clause 1 personal data, Clause 2 operator., Clause 3. Distribution of personal data
      paragraph 4. provision of personal data
      I advise you to carefully get to know each other before talking / writing nonsense.
      PS. "Disclosure" - there is no such thing

      2.Before you give me a hug (throw a complaint, delete comments), you should CAREFULLY read which “personal” data is “disclosed”
      website, hosting, fax hosting.
      ALEs /
      Maybe you didn’t think about it, but the author: lives / is / works in CHINA.
      fool
      Quote: bunta
      . For I respect not only the law, but also the right to privacy.

      I don’t know what you “honor” there and whose laws ...you simply don’t know our laws.
      You have good, solid articles about weapons.
      Do not be like you zombie (same maidanuty kakly, Toko "ours").

      What is easier then:

      Only, as history has shown, the same erasers turned out to be the first traitors
      1. bunta 27 May 2016 17: 50 New
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        I don’t know what you “read” there and whose laws ... you simply do not know our laws.

        In this case, it will not be difficult for you to publish your home address, phone number and real name and surname here.
        PS. Panties Size ...
        1. opus 27 May 2016 18: 06 New
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          In this case, it will not be difficult for you to publish your home address, phone number and real name and surname here.
          Threat.

          You turn out to be dumber than I thought / expected.
          REPEAT:
          WHOIS domain karmanov.org ... Registrant Street1: ul. Gabrichevskogo, d.8, k.2,
          Complain (make people laugh)
          The appeal of citizens regarding violations of PD processing is considered by the FEDERAL SERVICE FOR SUPERVISION IN THE FIELD OF COMMUNICATION, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGIES AND MASS COMMUNICATIONS
          link to the online request form: www.rsoc.ru/treatments/ask-question/

          You are
          Quote: bunta
          For I respect not only the law,

          for!
          Well, for and for

          1. What fright should I publish?
          2. I'm someone's
          Quote: bunta
          address, telephone number and real name and surname.
          Threat.
          published? fool
          Quote: bunta
          Panties Size ...

          Why are you my underpants?
          I don’t accept intimate gifts from strangers, all the more from peasants (you need to go to Europe)
          Well, maybe I won’t hide (I won’t accept a gift): 46, L

          satisfied?
          1. bunta 27 May 2016 18: 21 New
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            People may not understand whois, but if he does not have a sense of humor, then this is for life. request
            1. opus 27 May 2016 18: 51 New
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              Quote: bunta
              People may not understand whois,

              Clear stump "people."
              No one but you?
              Whois - check the domain now - Whois Service from Ru-Center - nic.ru

              Quote: bunta
              but before the disclosure of personal data has never dropped.

              Oh-oh-oh-oh ... I’ve "lowered."
              "disclosed personal data" domain "topwar.
              Do you throw a complaint to the administration? or to me.
              Koment "will be deleted"
              Quote: bunta
              but if he has no sense of humor, then this is for life.

              Yes, I'm flawed.
              Especially compared to
              Quote: bunta
              For I respect not only the law, but also the right to privacy.

              fool
              what kind of humor is it, if you are interested in the size of my underpants and blurted out (out of stupidity to see) about the law and the law.
              shoot nah, the same family.
              Old newspapers: Izvestia, January 30, 1937


              Old newspapers: Pravda, March 5, 1938
              http://www.oldgazette.ru/pravda/05031938/text1.html
      2. Falcon5555 27 May 2016 18: 42 New
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        Opus, I don’t understand why this article was not attacked, and the author (the main one, about the Mask)? Normal, like, article. As a joke of humor, I suppose that you have not overeaten with tomatoes? Or they have not yet matured, and on the contrary you are starving. When a person is hungry, then he is evil - the law of nature.
        1. opus 27 May 2016 19: 07 New
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          Opus, I don’t understand why this article was not attacked, and the author (the main one, about the Mask)?

          we have the freedom of speech / thought / opinion.
          Snapped and what?
          Not correct, I agree. I wrote / admitted.

          The tone changed.
          What is the essence of claims to me?
          Will it connect to tol \ ne trash kicking 100 feet on 1st? Then yes
          "pounced" because

          About cybernetics, genetics, UAVs, odnodnikov I already described.
          in all this and much more we are ahead of the rest.
          The same article was. precisely

          1941 was the same
          Quote: Falcon5555
          that you didn’t overeat in tomatoes? Or they have not matured yet, and on the contrary you are starving

          the tomatoes froze (the greenhouse didn’t)

          Quote: Falcon5555
          When a person is hungry, then he is evil - the law of nature.

          I am angry after receiving an answer from alma mater, according to our achievements in space.
          "no one will talk to you, it’s not interesting to anyone"
          1. Falcon5555 27 May 2016 21: 03 New
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            What is the essence of claims to me?

            I have no complaints against you, of course. Just weird.

            the tomatoes froze (the greenhouse didn’t)

            Oh no no no!
            1. opus 27 May 2016 21: 32 New
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              Quote: Falcon5555
              Just weird.

              Well, I explained .... Steam also needs to be let down sometimes, the Persena is already sick
              Quote: Falcon5555
              Oh no no no!

              I told her right away: let's plant aluminum cucumbers on a canvas field (how much less hemorrhoids.
              Smart people advised.
  • xtur 26 May 2016 10: 58 New
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    > Dirty article, dirty author

    we still do not Lurk, and the argument is to strive for technical. And your / your desire to be lulled in each answer leads to the fact that the technical arguments that are in your / your answers become unclear.

    In a word, I’m not specifically interested in the author’s authority in any circles, unless of course he is convicted of murders, I am interested in argumentation. And the counterargument against this article is to prove that the Mask projects are profitable, and have serious innovations.

    Until these two things are proved, such articles will have the right to exist.
  • Foxmara 27 May 2016 18: 26 New
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    If you are looking for someone to support, then it’s better not to find Lurk, the trouble is that they themselves are also “poets”. What is their faith?
    Quote: opus
    3. I can only sympathize with the author and the topvar that I post such nonsense from such a source.

    Topvar is a platform for discussion, if nonsense, then the essence will come up anyway.
    1. opus 27 May 2016 19: 14 New
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      If you are looking for someone to support, then it’s better not to find Lurk, the trouble is that they themselves are also “poets”. What is their faith?

      I didn’t look (they don’t need to be looked for)
      Lurk is not so bad, there are schools, the data are confirmed in 90%.
      "poets"?

      D-ki?

      You know better

      Quote: Foxmara
      Topvar is a platform for discussion, if nonsense, then the essence will come up anyway.

      why do you just refuse me the discussion?
      If you’re such a bad guy, write to those who in the same manner (even worse) and absolutely unsubstantially wrote to my article / articles!
      why not?
      here + and there you can get a minus minus?
      1. Foxmara 28 May 2016 09: 47 New
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        D-ki?

        You know better

        What is qs ??
        Quote: opus
        why do you just refuse me the discussion?

        Did I shut your mouth ??
        Quote: opus
        here + and there you can get a minus minus?

        You can of course, man is not a god, he can and should strive for the ideal))
        In general, you won’t be a sweet candy for everyone. In the next branch, "comrade" really stood up for fagots. How and who didn’t like my assessment of this fact? Well, I didn’t like it. And in this thread I generally pushed such nonsense .. And also a friend in one place plus grabs, in another minus. This is not an objective assessment, but only the average opinion of the inhabitants of the portal.
        Quote: opus
        If you’re such a bad guy, please unsubscribe to those who in the same manner (even worse) and absolutely unsubstantially wrote to my article

        Which one? If about your article about Mask, then I personally put you +, I even wanted to drag him to my page, but in connection with a very controversial position I did not.
        1. opus 28 May 2016 12: 48 New
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          What is qs ??

          I can’t write: I’ll get a ban, but in the screen it is: “figuratively,” fool ** and “”.
          Do you call them "poets" and agree with the definition of "poets" on a wiki?
          really think they are "poets"?
          Quote: Foxmara
          Did I shut your mouth ??

          I admit you are not.
          I’m here for what:
          print this article in the USA, in Ukraine?
          And mine too. Reaction?

          Well, about Ukraine, I will not say anything (the censor is indicative).
          But I doubt that in the USA there will be such clown comments (affluent)

          The “operator” has been looking for a week “facsimile 3,7 meters for transportation of falcons by train.” It doesn’t work out at the heart, for some reason I decided to put the universal joint and the constant-speed drive in the electric wheel.
          and this one?

          and these 2a?

          Quote: Foxmara
          and really stood up for fag. How and who didn’t like my assessment of this fact?

          generally should have been banned.
          And so stupid people complain only the rustle is worth it.
          I gave the DOMAIN address of the author of this article, and?

          And such stupidity (with aplomb about knowledge of laws and decency ")

          For some reason, I became interested in my cowards ...
          Quote: Foxmara
          but in connection with a very controversial position did not.

          The essence of my position: Konanykhin’s article says stupidity (in my opinion I proved it), and complete stupidity.
          This article too.
          It’s better to save it to your archive. May 27, 2016:

          landing (with the "operator probably everything was squeezed into an accordion)
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            Something black again !!! Or made of titanium? wassat 3100 kg per GSO is said to be Proton-M, which does not flatter nuts, starting from Baikonur. And the fact that the quilted jackets are launched from 63 degrees of latitude, and not like white people bullying from 28 degrees of latitude, is to blame! lol
            1. Simple 28 May 2016 22: 37 New
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              You are better in essence!
              And where is Proton latitude and quilted jackets?
              But the black one wasn’t in the dishwasher!
              Get down from 100km at 5500 miles per hour.
              Will you be white and fluffy?
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                Essentially.
                Quote: Just
                And where is Proton latitude and quilted jackets?

                The proton needs to bring in excess fuel, since the carrying capacity at launch from high latitudes drops significantly. Compare the capacity of the Union with RD-107A. From Plesetsk - 7,8 tons, from Baikonur - 8,2 tons, from Kuru - 9,2 tons.
                Quote: Just
                Get down to 100km at speed 5500 mph.

                Do you think the aluminum-lithium alloys of which the tanks are made will normally carry speed data? With a melting point of 720C. You look at the Shuttle body, which is also made of aluminum alloys and hung with tiles. That's all.
                1. Simple 29 May 2016 12: 03 New
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                  The breadth is clear!
                  No one argues
                  What God has given has given.
                  Nam Gazprom, Rosneft and the cold.
                  They are oranges, canave and hurricanes such as Catherine.

                  As for the shuttle: there are slightly different:
                  From 25800 km / h and 400km descent.
                  According to Mask, Rogozin said:
                  “Today in the space industry we are nine times behind the Americans. And all of our ambitious projects say that we must increase this productivity by one and a half times. Well, we’ll increase it by one and a half times, but still they will never catch them, ”said the Deputy Prime Minister (quoted by RIA Novosti
                  1. kugelblitz 29 May 2016 17: 23 New
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                    Quote: Just
                    Mask said Rogozin

                    Rogozin is still that talker, however, he has already explained what he had in mind. wassat

                    I didn’t say that. In LABOR PRODUCTIVITY we remain from them in the rocket and space industry, and not in general

                    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/science/20160527/1440002709.html#ixzz4A3S5cRNy
  • Engineer 25 May 2016 16: 10 New
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    Tired already with these full revelations of genius. Tesla travels, and the satellites take out the rockets and deliver the cargo to the ISS, whistleblowers, damn it.
    1. Vadim237 25 May 2016 17: 19 New
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      Yes, these scribblers - "techies" and "engineers" - know-it-alls and their scribbles and eggs are not worth a damn, the only thing they can do. throw garbage to anyone who doesn’t need it on the Internet.
  • Aaron Zawi 25 May 2016 16: 14 New
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    Lived saw, wait and see. The success or failure of such projects can only be ascertained after several years have passed since the project leaves the test stage.
    1. Blackmokona 25 May 2016 16: 17 New
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      When is a commercial cargo launched for cargo, is this the stage of testing or mass operation? wink Or are you talking about reuse?
      1. Aaron Zawi 25 May 2016 16: 36 New
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        Quote: BlackMokona
        When is a commercial cargo launched for cargo, is this the stage of testing or mass operation? wink Or are you talking about reuse?

        About re of course. This is the highlight.
        1. Blackmokona 25 May 2016 16: 59 New
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          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: BlackMokona
          When is a commercial cargo launched for cargo, is this the stage of testing or mass operation? wink Or are you talking about reuse?

          About re of course. This is the highlight.

          Just now, they offer a price almost 3 times less than that of their main competitors ULA. It seems to be a notable achievement.
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    3. gridasov 26 May 2016 11: 58 New
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      Very dangerous position. Someone will definitely be a leader, and therefore will impose his position on everyone else. Pending and external observers will remain third-rate.
  • Blackmokona 25 May 2016 16: 15 New
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    Yes, there is a real war against Mask, I wonder what he hurt someone so vividly. Maybe the guys from ULA (Boeing and Lockheed) are unhappy that he is robbing them of military and civil contracts letting them in for a third of ULA requirements? laughing
  • Lumumba 25 May 2016 16: 20 New
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    Looking at the "Transport pipe Mask" for some reason I recall this video here:



    Interestingly, Musk will personally test the first launch?
    1. NordUral 25 May 2016 17: 23 New
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      Good example.
  • vnord 25 May 2016 16: 25 New
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    Hyperloop In the USSR (somewhere 1987-1989) there was such a project "TRANSPROGRESS", two experimental lines of internal production transport were launched in Surgut and, like, in Kuzbass. (And exhibited at the Exhibition of Economic Achievements of the USSR) The only difference from Hyperloop was that the freight car did not move in a vacuum and speed is not the speed of sound.
  • Aleksandr1959 25 May 2016 16: 26 New
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    Usually, when a new breakthrough solution appears that offends the interests of entire industries, assaults begin.
    Take the e-book example. As long as they were quite expensive, nobody really cared. But, as soon as they became available to the mass buyer, it began ... Torrent trackers, electronic libraries are blocked ... It seems that there is a struggle with the so-called "piracy". But in my opinion, this greatly affects the interests of the printing industry, paper producers, manufacturers of equipment for the printing industry, the interests of forest dealers are strongly affected ....
    Immediately followed by action, and at the legislative level.
    I took this example vskidku, not particularly delving into details.
    Ask yourself, whom could Musk interfere with?
    1. NordUral 25 May 2016 17: 24 New
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      There is such a thing. But brains. especially techies need to include.
  • roman72-452 25 May 2016 16: 28 New
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    I read this article before, I liked it.
  • vnord 25 May 2016 16: 31 New
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    About the car TESLA. In the USA, there is a company renting solar panels for these cars, which are mounted on the roof of these cars and recharge the batteries of the car. So, that is not all clear. And about charging from a power outlet and at charging stations, if not for subsidies and tax benefits, ordinary cars are cheaper to operate. This is the same as with hybrid cars, but the consumption is less, but if you calculate the difference in the cost of cars and maintenance, with ordinary cars, then the cost of 1 km will be more expensive.
    1. Garris199 25 May 2016 16: 48 New
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      Quote: vnord
      In the USA, there is a company renting solar panels for these cars, which are mounted on the roof of these cars and recharge the batteries of the car. So, that is not all clear.

      You can also put a windmill on the roof, in general it will be cool to recharge. He pressed on the sneaker and okho went charging! A couple of mortars to disperse the clouds above the machine and you can safely move to the sea with your family.
    2. ilya_oz 25 May 2016 17: 07 New
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      How much will the car charge from such a battery?
      1. adept666 25 May 2016 18: 38 New
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        How much will the car charge from such a battery?
        100500 hours EU smile
    3. NordUral 25 May 2016 17: 27 New
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      These batteries are more PR move. Well, how much can they add? Non-stop flight of an aircraft on batteries (such a light aircraft, and the battery area is large). Everything is mirrored in a car, the battery area is small, and the engine is strong (I won’t even search the network for those cars).
    4. your1970 25 May 2016 19: 16 New
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      try to dial at least for an electric kettle of solar batteries — how much will they occupy the area? 3 kW require 17 sq.m, motor power of the VAZ-2101 ( repeat ) -56 kW ... steppe above the roof
  • vnord 25 May 2016 16: 31 New
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    About the car TESLA. In the USA, there is a company renting solar panels for these cars, which are mounted on the roof of these cars and recharge the batteries of the car. So, that is not all clear. And about charging from a power outlet and at charging stations, if not for subsidies and tax benefits, ordinary cars are cheaper to operate. This is the same as with hybrid cars, but the consumption is less, but if you calculate the difference in the cost of cars and maintenance, with ordinary cars, then the cost of 1 km will be more expensive.
  • Garris199 25 May 2016 16: 38 New
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    The fact that this is presented by Musk casts vague doubts about the implementation of such projects. Americans are marketing geniuses. In this they really are ahead of the rest. With regard to the electric car, this concept has been embodied in metal for a hundred years at lunch and not one hundred of the most different electric cars, but for some reason the revolution has still not happened. Reusable spacecraft and rocket stages were also and have not yet shown the desired efficiency and reliability. I do not believe this guy, until the same Jobs, him as before China in an electric car.
    1. Vadim237 25 May 2016 17: 30 New
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      “There were reusable spacecraft and rocket stages” Of the reusable ships I know the Space Shuttle and the Buran - the first flew long enough, the second flew once, and then he was safely stolen. But no reusable rocket stages were created - only Mask managed to return the first stage.
      1. adept666 25 May 2016 18: 39 New
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        But no reusable rocket stages were created - only Mask managed to return the first stage.
        What is it? What about the Shuttle boosters?
        1. Vadim237 25 May 2016 19: 25 New
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          I’m talking about reusable rockets, and you tell me about Shuttle boosters.
          1. adept666 25 May 2016 20: 01 New
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            I’m talking about reusable rockets, and you tell me about Shuttle boosters.
            And how do you let me know in principle the accelerators of the first stage of the Space Shuttle system differ from the first stage of a rocket?
            1. Vadim237 25 May 2016 20: 44 New
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              Yes, nothing special, only this principle of launching spent accelerators in conventional missiles was not applied, the Shuttles were very expensive machines, but they would not fly anymore.
              1. adept666 25 May 2016 21: 10 New
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                Yes, especially nothing, only this principle of launching exhaust accelerators in conventional missiles did not apply
                Nevertheless, both the first and part of the second stage of the space system returned (except for the tank). Therefore, in the return of the first stage, Musk is not a pioneer.
                Shuttles were very expensive cars, but neither they nor their boosters will fly anymore.
                Let's see how much the Falcon with the return stage flies. That's the technology of descent and landing, that the accelerators that the shuttle itself look more reliable.
    2. voyaka uh 25 May 2016 17: 37 New
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      "With regards to the electric car, this concept is one hundred years in the afternoon" ///

      There were no good batteries. They are now not very, but all sorts of
      nanodistribution at cathodes greatly helps.

      The leader is Nissan. Toyota, though very addicted to hybrids,
      but strategically going to switch to hydrogen.
      Ford and Volkswagen follow the path of Tesla.
      1. fzr1000 25 May 2016 18: 21 New
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        Volkswagen has already produced breakthrough robotic gearboxes and diesel engines. Mmmmm's reputation is pretty tarnished. According to the mind, the consumer needs to wait for the declared 8 years of operation of Tesla. By then, competition can reduce the price of the product and the jambs that inevitably come out will be eliminated. But Russia doesn’t have to yawn, we can’t arrange our own diesel engine for cars, so can we use an electric motor with batteries?
      2. Garris199 25 May 2016 19: 28 New
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        There were no good batteries. They’re not very right now, either

        My smartphone completely agree with you, if you actively use it, it turns out to be a practically wired, stationary device. And again, the use of electric vehicles in countries with a warm climate, I can still imagine, but what will the process look like in winter at -20 for example? I'm afraid there will be very unpleasant surprises.
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        Ford and Volkswagen follow the path of Tesla

        It is still noticeable that both concerns are switching to low-volume turbo engines, which personally make me very happy as a consumer with their operational properties.
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        Toyota, though very addicted to hybrids,
        but strategically going to switch to hydrogen.

        Well, this is completely different.
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          But what will the process look like in winter at -20 for example? I'm afraid there will be very unpleasant surprises.
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            The car was in the garage (not even in a heated temperature higher than on the street). How much she stood there is unknown. Maybe just an hour.
            The car drove 32 kilometers with a "95 km charge", that is, three times as much. It turns out that the power reserve at such an expense is about 170 km (it is better not to leave far from home). Heated cabin significantly eats up the battery, plus from the loss of capacity in the cold, there is no escape.
            And if she stood on the street the night? And would the battery already be like two years, and not a new one?
            1. adept666 26 May 2016 06: 10 New
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              The car drove 32 kilometers with a "95 km charge", that is, three times as much.
              Yes, about 30-33% of the charge sags.
              It turns out that the power reserve at this expense is about 170km
              Maybe even less because Davydych "innocently" convicted tested it in greenhouse conditions not in the city cycle (although the electric car, in principle, is almost exactly that) and they only had enough for one trip on the return road, the battery died (although they seemed to fit into the consumption in range ) This is due to the features of the discharge of the batteries and the features of driving Davydych laughing .
              And if she stood on the street the night?
              Without constant heating, it would not start at intervals, but in fairness it must be said that even a car with a gasoline engine (and especially a diesel engine), having stood in the cold at -30 for the whole night without cyclic starts, does not start every one and fuel consumption for heating also increases significantly. For operation in the city as a whole, the norms are even 100 km (in the mode home-work-shop-kindergarten / school-house).
  • Banishing liberoids 25 May 2016 16: 41 New
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    Is it an order for Mask, or is it really someone who wants to prove that Mask is not a person but a project of some top-secret organization?
  • black 25 May 2016 16: 42 New
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    Oh guys. Whoever let me go, bookkeeping at Ilon, check. There must be such scams with stocks and other capitalizations. But it is evident that these techies, Mask has already got.
  • Basarev 25 May 2016 16: 43 New
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    Something in recent years has been too tightly tackled by a mask of assorted accusers. Black PR or rancor?
    1. voyaka uh 25 May 2016 16: 54 New
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      Not the first time: this is a sign of the success of Ilon Musk's projects.
      The better the project, the more devastating articles.
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        Controversial statement.
      2. NordUral 25 May 2016 17: 28 New
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        Mavrodi also had a successful project.
        1. avva2012 25 May 2016 17: 42 New
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          It was also clear that a scam. How many bought, but not once? O. Henry is a genius or just knew his country well?
        2. Vadim237 25 May 2016 19: 28 New
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          We found someone to compare with Mask - the earth and the sky.
  • Days 25 May 2016 16: 44 New
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    Rusnano what articles orders?)
    1. Days 27 May 2016 13: 10 New
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      And minus sympathizers of Chubais? Like he does everything right, that he invests Russian money in cement factories instead of new technologies.
      1. yehat 27 May 2016 15: 55 New
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        Musk child compared to the genius of Chubais in the field drank laughing
  • alstr 25 May 2016 17: 00 New
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    Described to me is reminiscent of the film "The Trust That Burst." Nothing new.
  • avva2012 25 May 2016 17: 04 New
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    As you call a ship, it will sail. There are many things connected with the name of Tesla. Here, de, he is both a magician and a wizard and a genius of all time. People love fairy tales to old age. I don’t remember who said it.
  • Arkan 25 May 2016 17: 05 New
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    Good article. If you hear rustling money, then the sucker went to spawn. I remember the advertising of power mats in 1 sq. Of consumption, but with return in 10 sq.
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      Quote: Arkan Good article. If you hear rustling money, then the sucker went to spawn. I remember the advertising of power mats in 1 sq. Of consumption, but with return in 10 sq.

      Yes Yes. Read the classics. Let's say O. Henry. wink
      1. Arkan 25 May 2016 23: 03 New
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        Not things are always advertised, but simple human happiness. They always show equally happy people, only in different cases this happiness is caused by different acquisitions. Therefore, a person goes to the store not for things, but for this happiness, and they do not sell him there.
        Victor Pelevin.

        About the rugs. They tried to prove to me that seven rugs would replace me with a gas boiler with a capacity of 65 kilowatts. Did O'Henry say anything about this?
  • VladimS 25 May 2016 17: 25 New
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    Quote: pavlentiy
    Yeah, I also can’t understand something, Musk is right at every step. Some pour mud on it, others carry it on their hands and try to kiss in the ass) It's a mystery of nature ...

    How can you not understand? Timing, the actual implementation of promises (not a small amount taken by prepayment)!
    So the people are worried. And not everyone blindly believes in technical genius
    anyone. If you have an elementary calculator, a little brain and still not forgotten skill of simple calculations .. everything will become clearer. Why are people in unrest and articles .. not only laudatory. The people (everywhere) are stupid and greedy. "As long as fools live in the world, we have to deceive - from the hands ..!" (C)
  • Operator 25 May 2016 17: 25 New
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    Taking into account the average efficiency of electricity generation at thermal, nuclear and hydraulic power plants, losses on the transfer of electricity from power plants to places where cars are recharged, losses on the conversion of alternating current in the network into direct current in electric car batteries, payment of the additional cost of batteries (up to 250 percent of the cost of a gasoline car equal class) the cost of using the Tesla electric car from 2 to 4 times (depending on the country) exceeds the cost of using a gasoline car.

    The main contingent of Tesla customers is concentrated in the US state of California, which introduced a special excise tax on gasoline to finance the construction of electric charging stations, i.e. subsidizing the purchase of electric vehicles.

    The Tesl home battery project, considering their failure during the first year of operation, the need for additional purchases of an ultra-expensive DC / AC transformer and solar / wind generators will never pay off for the consumer at all.
    Given the direct fraud of consumers who have already paid in advance, in terms of delivery of home batteries (instead of months, a year has passed, and there is no delivery and will not be), this project is a pure scam.

    After Musk scores a hangar at the Canaveral Cosmodrome, the first Falcon-9 steps that have worked once and are squeezed into an accordion will stop his scam with a reusable launch vehicle.

    It doesn’t matter - domestic white-tape humanitarians and idolaters of the western prodigies immediately find themselves another fetish for worship laughing
    1. avva2012 25 May 2016 17: 35 New
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      Previously, there was an article for admiration for the West, now there is democracy, it is necessary to introduce a diagnosis.
  • voyaka uh 25 May 2016 17: 27 New
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    I haven’t switched to an electric car, but on an electric bike
    I ride for more than 3 years. Amazingly convenient!
    And all on the same lithium battery from the store.
    At about 25 km it is enough. He saved a bunch of gasoline on
    small trips for which a gasoline engine is foolish to turn on.

    I am for the transition to the electo. The path is not fast, the "great, smelly and noisy" gasoline engine
    It has been improved for 150 years and will not retreat without a fight.
    So the mask of success!
    1. avva2012 25 May 2016 17: 49 New
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      An electric car is understandable for what, but an electric bike? Great for health is needed.
      Riding longer distances if not an athlete? And, like a seat after 25 km.?
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        In the center of a large city up to 10-15 km is quite convenient, no need to pay for parking, plus no one forbids you to pedal. It’s a pity that the climate in Russia is not bicycle.
      2. voyaka uh 25 May 2016 18: 18 New
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        "Great is needed for health" ///

        Right. I also have a bicycle for health.
        But it is hot and humid with us. You twist a couple of times
        the pedals are all sweaty.
        (Great - for winter, mostly).
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          You are like on another planet. Great in winter. Right, at least keep warm by pedaling. We have.
      3. Bayun 25 May 2016 20: 08 New
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        Aw, don’t tell. Elktrovelik - POWER! Especially if you are for 50. You ride on the plain and downhill yourself, and you turn on electric traction in the hill, so that pedaling is like "plain". 100 km per day is a joy. And for the 5-th point special. lining today is in different versions. You only change the front motor wheel and put the battery on the frame, that is, you just turn the ordinary into electro in 15 minutes.

        By the way, if there are Kulibins, estimate what will happen if you put a gas generator on an electric quad with a body;)
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          Quote: Bayun
          Aw, don’t tell. Elktrovelik - POWER! Especially if you are for 50. You ride on the plain and downhill yourself, and you turn on electric traction in the hill, so that pedaling is like "plain". 100 km per day is a joy. And for the 5-th point special. lining today is in different versions. You only change the front motor wheel and put the battery on the frame, that is, you just turn the ordinary into electro in 15 minutes.

          By the way, if there are Kulibins, estimate what will happen if you put a gas generator on an electric quad with a body;)

          Uh! This is already a hybrid, if we can attach a distinct switch to the batteries. According to Toyotovsky!
    2. Alexander_ 26 May 2016 15: 32 New
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      Yours need success !!
    3. yehat 27 May 2016 15: 57 New
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      and I would say success is not a Mask. Need to move forward.
  • Blackmokona 25 May 2016 17: 52 New
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    Riding longer distances if not an athlete? And, like a seat after 25 km.?

    And what will happen to him in less than an hour? winked
    1. avva2012 25 May 2016 18: 10 New
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      What happens when riding a bike. But there is at least cardio training, but here what?
  • isker 25 May 2016 18: 00 New
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    Mavrodi also had a successful project.


    To the compartment ...
    Mavrodi sponsored a successful Russian expedition to the very wilds of the Amazon River, to the last, true cannibal tribes on Earth!
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      To visit your ancestors?
  • andranick 25 May 2016 18: 10 New
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    As batteries, Chinese 18650 cells are used, on which all Chinese electric vehicles run - from scooters to buses. These are standard 3.7V elements that visually look like finger batteries. Of them, batteries with the necessary parameters are typed - for example, for scooters these are blocks of 12 volts and 12 or 20 ampere-hours (for example, such).
    As simple as two fingers on asphalt ?! I didn’t know, I didn’t. But I, naive, thought that assembling a unit of more than 7 thousand batteries was not a trivial task. It turns out - cooling, charging, power take-off, troubleshooting, etc. - this is garbage, which the kids won’t even bother with. And here everything is so simple ...
    Chinese elements 18650, which runs the entire Chinese electric transport - from scooters to buses
    Aha, only Panasonic.
    That's all, I didn’t begin to read this stool.

    Opening the "battery" Tesla: https://www.drive2.ru/b/1978720/
    1. kugelblitz 25 May 2016 20: 10 New
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      If you would like to develop a real battery for an electric car, then I probably think it looked like a Toyota Prius. There are not cylindrical, but rectangular banks with decent terminals, occupying a smaller volume. There is no extra metal shell elements, but a common casing of the removable module. In general, the impression is decently it turned out easier, but as a minus the old nickel-metal hydride batteries. On the other hand, the car is not new, and it can withstand frosts better. In general, you can essentially develop a special lithium, lightweight design and larger capacity.

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        Yes, it’s better to immediately put the ionistors.
        1. gridasov 25 May 2016 22: 37 New
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          Rather, new energy elements with the properties of both ionistors and energy sources built on chemical reactions with a long discharge charge cycle. The fact is that no one is considering the total magnetic field around the systemic and non-systemic arrangement of energy elements. And by the way, knowing the basic principles of the distribution of magnetic force flows, they can be arranged in a system of three coordinate axes. Therefore, I think that along with the layout of the elements that went into mass sale, they worked out other schemes.
  • behemot 25 May 2016 18: 11 New
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    Mask like that, Mask like that. And Tesla rides. At least sign up articles, rides. The truth is expensive. Try to create at least an electric bike, then write "crushing" articles.
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      minus one - justify
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        Quote: behemot
        minus one - justify

        Justify ...

        A duck and a cart with a horse identity ... laughing
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          By the way ... minus-justify ... laughing laughing laughing

          shl
          Because ... What post, behemot, such and the rationale ... laughing
  • Altona 25 May 2016 18: 50 New
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    An instructive cartoon as early as 1949. No comments.
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    1. your1970 25 May 2016 19: 24 New
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      direct relation - because it is connected with space.
      We can taxi in the wrong direction, get distracted by beautiful ideas, it still sounds so beautiful !!!
      That is why it is necessary to understand - a scam or not? Applicable / not applicable? Need or whim for suckers?
      Otherwise, you can lose years and billions, on checks, but we have no extra years or billions, unfortunately ..
      1. Vadim237 25 May 2016 19: 34 New
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        “Otherwise, you can lose years and billions — on checks, and we don’t have any extra years or billions, unfortunately ..” - This is precisely what Roskosmos does not have competitors in, it’s either shutting down any promising programs or pushing them back, but money is still gets.
    2. hrych 25 May 2016 19: 44 New
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      Quote: Алексей_К
      What does all this have to this site?

      Nevertheless, a con, this Mask is financed and promoted by the state government and the defense department, and the main reason for this is the information war. So it was with the first satellite, the first astronaut, etc. It was these cosmic victories that brought the capitalist world (or rather the world order) to the brink of existence, all people connected the progress and future development of mankind with the USSR and socialism. However, the corn head and other primitive primitive filthy bureaucratic abomination did not take advantage of this. The West (the world behind the scenes) stole the main conquest of the social system - the social system, moreover, doubling and tripling it relative to the citizens of the USSR (due to the robbery of the third world, of course). But the Marxist heresy was not smoothed out. And of course, Stanley Kubrick filmed the moon landing in order to drop our space achievements ... At stake was the world order, no more, no less. That’s why they decided on the main fraud of the 20th century ... Why the government, as if not in the affairs of this state program with pasta - so that in case of failure it is not to be disgraced against the background of stability and progressive movement of the Russian cosmonautics. But there is nothing to oppose, there is no "scientific poetry", there are no "poets" of the level of Tsialkovsky and Korolev, and here they let the pasta, it looks spectacular, but without umbrella. Purely PR and info war. Also with electric cars, they still hide behind the "holy" name of Nikola Tesla ...
      1. Vadim237 25 May 2016 20: 26 New
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        Evidence is that Musk is a crook?
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          Quote: Vadim237
          Evidence is that Musk is a crook?

          Is there evidence that Musk is not a con? So he is an actor (lyceum) and plays his part, entrusted by the director and director.
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            There are significant ones - everything that he created, works with his team of engineers and designers.
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          Yes. in one of the articles, estimates were made on the cost of launching cargo into orbit. Everything is laid out there and it is clear that Musk is deceiving and underestimating the declared value by almost half.
    3. Bramb 25 May 2016 20: 15 New
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      Do you, Alexei, know how the periodic table originally looked? I mean the first element.
      Or explain the dualism of light? Dualism means that our knowledge is wrong. Etc.
      The most ingenious minds of mankind for Aleksey-ka fuckers. And he is the only one here who has a genius!
      Okay, genius, a simple question: calculate the transit time of electric current through a copper and aluminum wire from Moscow to Vladivostok. Use the speed of light, prove to us your knowledge! )))
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        > The most ingenious minds of mankind for Alexei-ka suckers.

        Announce the list of ingenious minds, sat down easily. Let me guess - Shipov, Akimov, Levashov ...?
  • Bramb 25 May 2016 20: 09 New
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    Started wrong.
    That's right: "a stupid man cannot live without faith!" A smart man does not need faith, he needs knowledge !!!
    And where there is knowledge - there is no place for faith.
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      A person often encounters inexplicable phenomena in the knowledge of the world. FAITH helps not to draw premature conclusions in the existing, which means that through FAITH we go through a period of cognition of what is created as rational and harmonious.
  • Vitali-46 25 May 2016 20: 28 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    "With regards to the electric car, this concept is one hundred years in the afternoon" ///

    There were no good batteries. They are now not very, but all sorts of
    nanodistribution at cathodes greatly helps.

    The leader is Nissan. Toyota, though very addicted to hybrids,
    but strategically going to switch to hydrogen.
    Ford and Volkswagen follow the path of Tesla.
  • demiurg 25 May 2016 20: 33 New
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    If we compare the electric motor and the internal combustion engine, then the electric motor is undoubtedly incomparably simpler, and has an efficiency in the range of 85-90% (well, if you take the power of 60-70 kW), if you compare with the efficiency of the internal combustion engine, which is no more than 30%, the choice seems to be obvious at all. But still, theoretically, the resource of the electric motor is many times more. The main problem is where to get electricity in the car. At the moment, this issue is not resolved from the word at all. And charging with losses, and losses in the battery, plus losses in the conversion of direct current to alternating current, plus high cost, reduce all the advantages of electric movement for a personal car to zero. There is only pathos, which is successfully sold.
    But with small daily runs, like on a bike with Vojaki, the idea is already quite lively. By the way, is there a recovery mode on the bike? And in any case, you can get home pedaling.
    My work is 7 km away from me, I would also not give up 3-4 wheels with a roof and heating (Siberia however) to go to work.


    I do not believe in geniuses who immediately betray revolutions in several industries at once. You can sell something, the seller may not know anything about the product, except for price and consumer properties. So at best, there will be a new Edison, who has a new Tesla.
    Start selling their cars cheaper than China, then we'll see.
    And about missiles, you can not remember. 100% will do 10 for example launches, choose one case less or less intact, and launch. But in any case, until the fuel and drive are replaced, no reduction in prices by orders of magnitude, even at times, and to hell with him, will not even be discussed twice.
    A good example, the same engine. In the steady state, the stationary engine eats as much fuel as it did 50-60 years ago. The same can be said by the way about electric motors.
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      So there is such a transport, called a trolley bus, devoid of the disadvantages of rail transport, especially the presence of the rails themselves. Even the filmets has “Mario Super Brothers”, where in the parallel world cars were powered by wires, and taking into account new batteries ...
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        powering the car is not a problem. The problem is to do this in a way that does not harm the driver and is comfortable. The methods have already been developed by the sea.
    2. kugelblitz 25 May 2016 21: 06 New
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      There's a focus with a wall-mounted battery, although in fact the owners of the windmills are either powered from the mains in calm, or turn on the diesel generator. The efficiency is too low for her, and the capacity is only for the tropics.
      The wind turbine delivery set, for example, additionally includes as an option. Yes, the dependence on wind speed is in fact often used only in the injection of water and its heating. I myself want to buy a windmill in the country and adapt it for this purpose.
    3. Altona 25 May 2016 22: 07 New
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      Quote: demiurg
      A good example, the same engine. In the steady state, the stationary engine eats as much fuel as it did 50-60 years ago. The same can be said by the way about electric motors.

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      Well, here it’s possible to argue. Fuel is consumed less, nevertheless, the accuracy of processing has increased, and the metal is more durable. Hence the endurance, smaller gaps, and hence compression. There is still progress. Fifty years ago, engines with comparable power ate 50-15 liters, 20 years ago about 70, now 30-6 liters. Regarding electric motors, too, nevertheless new start-up systems appeared, phase-frequency ones, which reduce inrush currents and energy losses. And the ICE is also entangled in an electronic injection system with a computer optimizer.
    4. gridasov 26 May 2016 12: 05 New
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      Electric motors with typesetting printed disks allow one part of the structure to work in motor mode, and the other in the mode of creating an alternating magnetic flux without the effects of self-induction. In other words, in generator mode. The time period when it will be invented is not long to wait. Therefore, such as Musk will be ahead of everyone and "on horseback"
  • Arandir 25 May 2016 20: 41 New
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    article is super. It is a pity for those 11 who have been minded. By the way, he writes how O. Henry is easy and affordable. It is amazing how, in 21 eyelids, millions can be easily fooled, openly crank the scam and get out of the water dry. Though. The first Mavrodi - MMM, the second Mavrodi - the "genius" Elon Musk. I wonder if there will be a third?
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      24 missile launches is too cool for a rogue, but it is better to compare with Chubais and his Rusnano with Mavrodi - the latter is still pulling money out of the budget.
  • gridasov 25 May 2016 21: 00 New
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    I will not prove anything to anyone, but as far as I know, Tesla’s electric motor is not quite simple and the author is apparently not quite competent in this. By the way, this electric motor is finding more and more fans. There is another important point in which the developers of Tesla are ahead of many others. This is an arrangement of the components of an electric battery. So, if the groups of batteries are arranged according to a certain technique, then a whole complex of positive moments arises that determine, through an increase in the magnetic flux density and the very moment of rotation of the magnetic flux. These effects have long been observed by scientists in the United States and in Russia. Moreover, in Russia this has its own achievements
  • Vitali-46 25 May 2016 21: 05 New
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    And what is the leader Nissan? He has one electric car in his portfolio, But according to the Characteristics he is far from Tesla! Well, Musk is a swindler! In the United States in 2015, 25 electric trains were sold, although in 416 sales were more modest than 2014 units in Europe over the past two year, the demand for Model S (while Europeans are offered only this electric car) increased from 16 to 689 pieces. After the show, model 8, the quantity to buy this model exceeded 841 people. Now the manufacturer announced its plans for the future. So by 15, sales will grow to 169 cars. (Three models. SX3.In connection with such plans, a factory in China can be built! By the way, AvtoVAZ produced 400 over the past year ..) By the way, Tesla gives a 000 year warranty on Chinese batteries! Question! Cars from Tesla's company scam ???
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    Question! Cars from the company Tesla this scam ???

    This is an iPhone on wheels. The thing is to show that you are not like everyone else. Consumer properties of a car are unimportant.
    If they don’t give anything to the consumer, they can plant it. And if you give a cocoa, and convince the client that this cocoa costs so much because it is "status", this is marketing. Feel the difference.
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    Lived saw, wait and see. The success or failure of such projects can only be ascertained after several years have passed since the project leaves the test stage.

    I agree. The main thing is not to participate economically in these shamanistic dances, otherwise you can suffer, including mentally laughing .
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  • megafair 25 May 2016 21: 46 New
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    Surprisingly, all who "criticize" the Author, especially from the camp of all "Opus'ov" - do not cite any revealing facts about the fact that the Author writes about the Mask, but they begin to revile and denigrate the Author ...

    How so? Well, bring revealing facts on each point, for which the Author has claims to the Mask, and then insult ...

    No, at first they try to expose the Authors for some reason, and then - "Well, you all already understood that ... to listen to him ... fi ..."

    And these (I didn’t print the abuse) - they also ply ... See, the same ones - "Apples from the apple tree, which are in the evolutionary distance from the monkeys, have not gone far, because they walked around the monkey" (C "Opus'nikov" )
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    I read this article yesterday. On the original site. And the discussion of the article is the same, ibid.
    And my conclusions are as follows: Elon Musk is a talented marketer and follower of the ideas of the late Steve Jobs! And he is neither Petrik nor Mavrodi! Unlike scammers, he offers a product! Really good product, premium quality, but at an extremely high price! Their main success with Jobs is the creation of a new type of consumer. Consumer sectarian! This category of zombie consumers will do anything to possess this idol product! For him, there is nothing better than this product, and it cannot be! This consumer has his own specific portrait. Non-technical higher education, work as a manager or middle manager, or your own business. Or what a glamorous TP. The main thing is that a person does not understand the issue. And the iPhone iPad or Teslacar is sold! And no matter that there is a more worthy alternative nearby, you will not prove anything to the zombie consumer.
    1. fzr1000 25 May 2016 22: 42 New
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      Elon Musk is a talented marketer and follower of the ideas of the late Steve Jobs!

      I completely agree with this. With the rest - not really.
    2. gridasov 25 May 2016 22: 43 New
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      The entire evolution of human development is based on enthusiasts obsessed with ideas. But never when it was not the prerogative of only academic scientists or those who owned the diploma of the corresponding specialist. Therefore, reading American scientific analysts and you see that they realized this and created a system of searching for ideas in all layers of people's creativity. By the way, look at the same DARPA structure. There are far from all specialists of applied profile. Therefore, it is not standard people with new thinking that are able to show themselves in a new quality and become new pioneers of further evolution
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        1. gridasov 25 May 2016 23: 40 New
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          I think you are mistaken. The mask was given a blank check. If you had seen statistics on the growth of cash investments by Americans over decades, you would have understood that money is not wasted. The results will certainly be. In addition, this is part of the program for the transition to new types of energy. Therefore, one cannot believe everything that is said and written. Mask company is a new platform for the development of new technologies. Another thing is that it is not always possible to buy knowledge and find talents for money. And I think that one cannot speak rudely about all Americans. These are those hard workers and talented people. And they have something to learn. Especially in the organization and establishment of new industries.
    3. megafair 25 May 2016 23: 14 New
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      At least on the example of Tesla’s “miracle car” and “amazingly beautiful” wall-mounted power supplies - tell me what is its difference from scammers (I'm talking about Mask), and where was the author wrong or wrong.
      1. gridasov 25 May 2016 23: 32 New
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        Just the same author does not write about the achievements of Tesla developers. YES, Chinese and standard batteries, but motors may not be theirs, but Chinese. But! I repeat. They reserve the priority in arranging these batteries in a common battery. But we understand what this means, because we ourselves figured out how to arrange them not in a plane, but in a three-dimensional system. Motors with typesetting discs in the stator are also far from universally recognized priorities. If they also applied winding location algorithms, like D.A.DUYUNOV, then efficiency would have increased. At the same time, we also consider and understand what is at stake. True, we are talking about completely new induction coils that completely copy processes in permanent magnets. And the principles of both Mask and Duyunov on old coils level out efficiency. Therefore, Musk is far from a crook. He’s smart, but he lives and works in his own conditions. And it would not be sponsored by those people who know the value of money. I will only add that the path of the Mask to improve the battery system is the path to nowhere. You just need to use devices to control the density of magnetic power processes and then we can talk about the new quality of email. current and, accordingly, about a DC boost device, which means the battery will be smaller. This path is more attractive. And there are solutions.
        1. megafair 26 May 2016 00: 33 New
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          The adept must be able to bring the teachings of the Master, and you, he was lowered to the level of a rogue Mask ... Dune will not say thank you ...
    4. Blackmokona 26 May 2016 07: 01 New
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      Three times cheaper than the main competitor ULA is it at an extremely high price? At such a price that the leading space launch companies and government agencies announce a need for restructuring to compete with it?
      In connection with the strengthening of SpaceX, the United Launch Alliance (an Atlas and Delta rocket company) announced a massive restructuring aimed at halving the launch cost [73] [74]. In May 2015, the company announced the threat of bankruptcy if it could not fight for commercial contracts in the face of a decrease in the number of state military orders [75].

      The Japanese company Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (producing H-II missiles) has also announced plans to halve the launch cost [76].

      The Chinese company China Great Wall Industry Corp (produces the Great Campaign missiles) has announced that it does not intend to cut prices, despite pressure from SpaceX [66]. Before SpaceX, the company was a monopolist in the low-budget launch segment [66].

      The head of the European company Arianespace (manufactures Arian rockets) said that due to the pressure of SpaceX, the entire European space industry is being restructured [77]. To maintain its market position, the company was forced to lower prices [78] and request subsidies from the state [79]. By the end of 2014, SpaceX began to supplant the company from a leading position in the market for commercial launches [80].

      commons: SpaceX on Wikimedia Commons?
      n: SpaceX on Wikinews?
      Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the rocket and space industry in Russia, stated that he respects the work of Ilon Mask and called for making launches of Russian spacecraft much cheaper - as “competitors are on our heels” [81].

      According to the head of Roscosmos Igor Komarov, SpaceX carries a certain threat to Roscosmos. According to Komarov, Roscosmos will focus on reducing the cost of launching rockets in order to compete with SpaceX and other private companies [82] [83] [84].
  • Ilya77 25 May 2016 22: 35 New
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    Something IN already rolled to such opuses, already the second article where the Mask is watered. What do we care about him? A civilian is doing something with the money of investors overseas, what is x to us before? We have something to be proud of, except for the military uniform that our fathers and grandfathers were building, now we are somehow riveting something on the basis of this, and all sorts of managers of state corporations are sawing.
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    Everything is consumer-built on human vanity, stupidity and greed. Each of us has its own Pinocchio, and why doesn’t an “intelligent” person use it and make you a sucker, since you yourself strive to be a sucker. Imagine a blouse in a boutique for 40 pieces - a piece of rag with two seams, i.e. man pays for a sticker, naked antlers. It turns out that all these couturiers correctly shoe suckers. Take a car, it is needed to carry your own ass from place to place, efficiency, maneuverability, speed, possibly air conditioning, everything else scam and so on for any product. My father gave me the Victory watch, I wore it for 20 years, then accidentally broke it, they were already pretty shabby, but they walked exclusively, and they were a memory of a father who had died a long time ago. Imagine this mechanism in the golden case, and in diamonds, the mechanism has not changed, empty show-offs have been added, that's what they catch us on, to be involved.
  • Freelancer7 26 May 2016 03: 21 New
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    Brand new and high quality! Nothing to add! Article on the shelves !!!
  • v.yegorov 26 May 2016 03: 32 New
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    For a long time I did not get such pleasure from reading the article, often
    laughed for a long time. An outstanding personality, this Musk, in our country is full of such
    in power, only a smaller scale. Although they were bigger.
  • WERSTA. 26 May 2016 03: 36 New
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    Deployed! Evidence! And ... convincingly! Consumerism drives state progress.
    For moderators. "Consumption is a disease that threatens the world." John de Graaff David Vann Thomas H. Naylor.
    Published in San Francisco 2001-2002.
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    Karmanov, have you even stood next to Tesla? I'm not talking about a ride in it. Loser....
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      Is this a joke, or really?
      Does the article have something to say?
      But who forbids you to ride Tesla, for those for whom the status is important, many different machines are made in small series. Only under the maybas in our office building had to redo the entrance to the parking lot, cast the rounding on the ramp so that it would not catch on the bottom.
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    Quote: Altona

    Well, here it’s possible to argue. Fuel is consumed less, nevertheless, the accuracy of processing has increased, and the metal is more durable. Hence the endurance, smaller gaps, and hence compression. There is still progress. Fifty years ago, engines with comparable power ate 50-15 liters, 20 years ago about 70, now 30-6 liters. Regarding electric motors, too, nevertheless new start-up systems appeared, phase-frequency ones, which reduce inrush currents and energy losses. And the ICE is also entangled in an electronic injection system with a computer optimizer.


    In the steady state, with optimal speed and load, the fuel consumption will be virtually the same. All these 4 valves per cylinder, controlled inlet and outlet, electronics play a role only in transients with non-optimal loading and at non-optimal speeds.
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      EMNIP improved control allows you to increase the degree of compression and therefore efficiency (thermodynamic cycle and that’s all). Of course, an exotic thread, such as a special fuel resistant to detonation, and a plasma ignition thread ... or a set engine capable of working in detonation mode will give even greater gain.
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    Mdya ... about the low environmental friendliness of Tesl - Acre TPP there are other types of energy generation, including renewable (in the EU and the USA their share is growing steadily) and there are still nuclear power plants, so this is not an argument.

    You can of course see how the production and disposal of batteries affects the environment. But in this sense, there is an interesting historical parallel - for more than a century ago megacities were suffocated by horse manure. The main draft force was horses, and in large cities there were so many and they pooped so intensely that it was not clear where to put it all. There were debates, projections of the fight against ... everything was decided with the advent of a car. For several decades, citizens have been suffering from smog - well, electric cars obviously solve this problem, in addition, the good dynamics of electric cars reduces traffic jams. Burning gas is barbarism.

    So, in fact, all of the afftor’s claims to Mask come down to the fact that "here is what a bastard Musk was - he managed to make a design and promote a Chinese car." I want to note that
    1) the design in the car is far from last.
    2) it is very strange to accuse a businessman of doing business well.

    As for the powerwall.
    “The picture“ Beautiful Tesla is beautifully charged by a wall-mounted battery, everything is so white and technological ”was also used - however, how to charge a car that has 85 kilowatt-hours of battery power from a battery, in which 7 or 10 is a mystery that did not wait for its researcher . "

    For the sake of curiosity, I went to the Tesla website and did not find this picture there. There it is proposed to use powerwall for the work of any household, but not for charging Tesla. If I didn’t know hu from the author, I would simply ask for a reference to Tesla’s use of such a spreading cranberry in advertising - but since the author is widely known for his opuses, we have to regret that the author is once again brazenly and shamelessly lying. Fu to be like that.


    "Installation itself, by the way, is a separate topic - in fact, you need to redo the entire network of the house so that all sockets and fixed consumers are connected to the battery (or battery pack), as well as add protection (the same RCDs) and mount a new circuit with two inputs (from the network and from the generating capacity). "

    Alterations (insignificant) requires only switchgear. Hearing from someone else like that one could decide that, well, the journalist did not understand, it happens. But the author then positions himself as the guru of all kinds of technology - i.e. the author again arrogantly lying.

    The idea of ​​powerwall itself is very robust, it is clear that modern batteries are far from ideal for it, but nevertheless it gives an obvious gain. T.O. Based on the afftor’s claim, again to the Mask, he took an advance payment and frustrated all the deadlines. It’s not good of course ... but this happens for all kinds of innovative projects. And here I already want to ask the afftor (in the best traditions of the afftor) - why does the author not come down with such angry exposures on the developers of the Angara? Maces? Builders of the East? Rusnano and Skolkovo? Why are afftors so excited about the money of American taxpayers and the clients of an American businessman? Neusto Musk promised more than Chubais and mastered money More than Chubais? Does the afftor have any kind of morbid attitude towards America? the author there said something about medicine ... IMNO his diagnosis is obvious.
    1. ingener1966 27 May 2016 13: 23 New
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      Dear, I, as an electrician with experience, can say for sure, powerwall is a beautiful scam !!! I myself use the uninterrupted I live in a country house, sometimes they turn off the electricity and in order not to defrost the heating system, I had to install it. Efficiency of the inverter, taking into account the fact that the batteries are not at 12 but at 36 Volts 86%. I explored the topic about solar panels and it turns out that for my needs I need to make a roof out of them, but taking into account the fact that we have snow is not uncommon, and the regularity should be provided for their heating. Plus, they will have to be constantly washed differently, the duller they are, the less current they can give. Efficiency in our band is close to zero. And again, the price !!! They will pay for themselves in about 100 years. The most profitable version of an internal combustion engine with a gas generator. Again, to assemble a battery from the same 18650 to 220 Volts, how many will they need? In addition, they have the largest capacity of 3,6 Ah, which means that in order to increase their capacity they must be collected in parallel, up to at least 20 Ah, 6 pieces. And plus controllers to put on these parallels since when connected in parallel, the charge on the batteries is not distributed evenly, and this entails the failure of the entire battery. It turns out such a tricky picture that my industrial batteries at 140 hours with a service life of 12-15 years are much more profitable than what the "great" Max "invented" hi
      1. gridasov 27 May 2016 13: 38 New
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        As we say in Odessa, that "the people have learned a lot of beautiful words, it is now difficult to distinguish fools from them." Knowledge is like a spoon for dinner. Situations are changing and that means knowledge must be transformed identically. The Russians are used to solving problems, but only to think about the total cost of expenses. Therefore, you should find for yourself the best option for the cost of energy reproduction, and not go about advertising. By the way, it works well as part of the task of saving gasoline in the internal combustion engine through a "burbulator". Do you know what it is?
        In general, you read such forums and think, but what is the result. What can be highlighted from all that has been said useful? But nothing, everything is as always, but things are still there. No ideas or forecasts. Trepatnya and nothing more. Everyone considers themselves smart, but they go and spend money on old technologies. The same Musk. in a new quality, he presented the old technologies for the new hip generation. And download yourself money from fools. In general, American economists have done well in this regard - how much money was given out to the people and returned. It's just that every generation has the same sweetie, only in different wrappers palm off and "the pump will move working capital as a perpetual motion machine."
  • Denis Skiff 26 May 2016 12: 38 New
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    Horizons Techniques
    The magazine “Young Technician” was ahead of its time (I still remember such a Polish “Horizons of technology for children” - oh, times, times) so that by copying ideas from it you can ensure a comfortable existence.
    There are both, and TM is available! Tell me how? How can I ensure this existence? winked