"Norman Four" in a night telephone conversation discussed Donbass and Syria

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On the night of Tuesday 24 in May there was a telephone conversation between the leaders of the so-called “Norman Four” - the presidents of Russia, France, Ukraine and the German Chancellor. The main topics for discussion were related to the settlement of the situation in the south-east of Ukraine. At the same time, as reported by news agencies, the Syrian issue was also discussed (and where is Poroshenko here? ..).

"Norman Four" in a night telephone conversation discussed Donbass and Syria


The report, published following the conversation, says that the representatives of the Normandy Four discussed the possible introduction of an OSCE police mission to Donbass to ensure the “security” of the local elections. The press service of the Ukrainian president said that the leaders of four states "expressed support for the deployment of a police mission in the territory of Donbass and began consultations on this issue."

Recall that the authorities of the DPR and the LPR reject such an initiative, stating that they are capable of ensuring security even without “assistance” from the OSCE police.

It is reported that during a telephone conversation, the President of Ukraine stated that "the shelling of the positions of the Ukrainian military in Avdeevka continues," that "does not contribute to the process of resolving the situation." It is strange that Mr. Poroshenko forgot, for example, about the shelling by the Ukrainian security forces of Gorlovka, the western outskirts of Donetsk, the provocations in the Yasinovatskaya denouement, the seizure of Shirokino, the use of PMCs in the Stanitsa Luganskaya region. Or does all this help in settling the conflict in the Donbass? ..

From the message presidential press service:

The issues of political settlement of the situation in the south-east of Ukraine were discussed. The importance of strict observance of the ceasefire regime, increasing the effectiveness of activities in the conflict zone of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission by giving it additional powers, as well as strengthening the Joint Center for Monitoring and Coordination was noted.

Vladimir Putin called for the immediate cessation of shelling by the Ukrainian armed forces of the settlements of Donbass. It was emphasized that the key element of the settlement should be a direct dialogue between Kiev and Donetsk and Lugansk in order to fully and fully implement the Minsk agreements of February 12 from 2015.

It was noted that the partners in the "Norman format" were given a package of proposals for the local elections, special status, amnesty and decentralization agreed with the DPR and the LPR, which should be carefully considered in the Contact Group.

There was also an exchange of views on possible steps to address a number of acute socio-economic and humanitarian problems of the south-east of Ukraine.

In addition, some aspects of the crisis situation in Syria are affected.


One of the topics for discussion on the web - why did you need to have a telephone conversation late at night? One of the discussed versions: so that Poroshenko can once again consult with Washington in real time ...
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  1. +18
    24 May 2016 06: 51
    "At the same time, as reported by news agencies, the Syrian issue was also discussed (and where does Poroshenko? ..)"

    He was then cut down, regretted, but a person cannot defend everything, both Europe and the Middle East. smile
    1. +5
      24 May 2016 07: 17
      Nobel Peace Prize, give this holy man! And what, Obama was given, and this virtue will not hurt.
      1. +12
        24 May 2016 08: 13
        Quote: Vladimirets
        "At the same time, as reported by news agencies, the Syrian issue was also discussed (and where does Poroshenko? ..)"

        He was then cut down, regretted, but a person cannot defend everything, both Europe and the Middle East. smile


        No, they told him and showed with an example what would have happened to his army if there had been Russian troops in the Donbas.
        1. +10
          24 May 2016 09: 02
          in an overnight phone call

          Talk time was chosen at the request of the Ukrainian president. With the help of a reduced night tariff, he thus saved 23 euros for Eurovision in 2017 laughing
          1. 0
            24 May 2016 13: 11
            I personally believe that all this telephone “circus” was needed only exclusively for the “wiretap” of the USA, so that Obama (USA) could once again be convinced: 1) of impeccable colonial loyalty to the US policy in Europe and on Merkel (Germany) BV personally, the collaborationism of Hollande (France), as well as the mental “legal capacity” of his US agent Poroshenko (Ukraine) himself, and, MOST IMPORTANT 2) to probe and learn some nuances of possible changes in Putin’s (Russian Federation) position regarding the issues they raise in geopolitics.
            In principle, Obama could simply call Putin directly on these issues. But Obama does not want to do this - he does not find it necessary to shine (thereby simplifying the hybrid geopolitics of the United States in the world) and stop playing "democracy" in the EU and BV in front of the entire world community. Therefore, Obama continues to pretend in English that he (USA) allegedly stands aside and has nothing to do with THIS IT. Moreover, the United States has a very, very PREVIOUS geopolitical position in the sense of its global responsibility for inflicting on other countries and peoples the EVIL (!) That is happening in the world. In other words, the civilization of the “sea” of EVL (England, the USA and the US Federal Reserve and their transnational companies) does not want to stand out from the civilization of the “land” and craps the civilization of the “land” secretly.
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    2. +19
      24 May 2016 07: 20
      Quote: Vladimirets
      He was then cut down
      What for? Rather, Pedra was told how the ceasefire in Syria is ensured with the help of Russian VKS smile
      But seriously, I really don’t like this
      representatives of the Norman Four discussed the possible introduction of an OSCE police mission to Donbass to ensure "security" of the local elections
      and the press service of the President of the Russian Federation indirectly confirmed this
      performance improvement in the conflict zone of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission by giving it additional powers
      Are they preparing for the Donbass a scenario of Serbian Krajina or Kosovo? I remember that I was blamed for such an assumption. How do you like this confirmation now?
      1. +4
        24 May 2016 07: 35
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        But seriously, I really don’t like this

        representatives of the Norman Four discussed the possible introduction of an OSCE police mission to Donbass to ensure "security" of the local elections


        This is taken from the statement of the press service of Poroshenko. Kiev loves to wishful thinking.
      2. +1
        24 May 2016 09: 03
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        How do you like this confirmation now?

        Discussing does not mean getting married)))
    3. +6
      24 May 2016 07: 22
      The "Norman Four" is one political corpse, half-corpse, an unauthorized drunkard and a GDP! I think that this "body" will not last long! One GDP is enough to make the right decision on Donbass, and in Ukraine as a whole ...
    4. +3
      24 May 2016 08: 13
      Everything is simple, it is the outskirts that exports chocolate and lard to Syria .. Everyone else basks on a percentage of supplies. wassat
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    6. +2
      24 May 2016 08: 29
      Hh heh. And what, someone else does not know what condition Poroshenko is at this time? laughing
    7. 0
      24 May 2016 13: 25
      Merkel told Poroshenko: - And now Petya go to sleep, uncles will discuss serious topics!
      Poroshenko: - Well ma'am, can I listen for another five minutes? ..
  2. +3
    24 May 2016 06: 53
    With Ukraine and the Donbass it is clear, but what with Poroshenko also someone discussed Syria?
    1. +2
      24 May 2016 07: 08
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      With Ukraine and the Donbass it is clear, but what with Poroshenko also someone discussed Syria?

      What does the Norman gangway have to do with Syria? request
    2. 0
      24 May 2016 09: 08
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      With Ukraine and the Donbass it is clear, but what with Poroshenko also someone discussed Syria?

      So what? All the same, he had two handsets in his hands - at the same time, they had a talk with Washington. wassat
  3. +6
    24 May 2016 06: 54
    In addition, some aspects of the crisis situation in Syria are affected.
  4. +1
    24 May 2016 06: 58
    Quote: Vladimirets
    He was then cut down, regretted

    Rather, they could not cut it out, so he "took part in the Syrian issue." Petya, he is like that, he is not thrown off the tail much. smile
    1. +1
      24 May 2016 07: 08
      Quote: techie
      Rather, they could not cut it out, so he "took part in the Syrian issue." Petya, he is like that, he is not thrown off the tail much.

      Well, a hundred grams for Syria is a holy cause. Yes
  5. +3
    24 May 2016 07: 05
    Actually, Hollande and Merkel care about Syria. Let them prepare their states for the "evakopriemnik" of sexually anxious refugees .... And where has "our" "ally" France gone? ... "Have you already won" everyone? " They lie again, like Napoleon about the "battle under the Pyramids"?
  6. +1
    24 May 2016 07: 09
    Putin must talk to scrap with these hamsters and pigs about what to do about politics. What can you generally agree with them about if they are not responsible for their words?
  7. +7
    24 May 2016 07: 12
    All these conversations in the Norman format once again show the incapacity of Germany and France to exert any influence on Kiev without looking back for a puddle. But it is time for the DPR and LPR to leave Minsk 2 and pursue their own policies. In Russia, in principle, such thoughts also exist, Moscow understands that all these blah blahs cannot last indefinitely.
    1. +1
      24 May 2016 07: 18
      Everything has its time.
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  8. 0
    24 May 2016 07: 16
    The subtle thing is politics ... In a simple way, send all polites into three sacred letters! Recognize the lands of New Russia. And let the partners (not for sex !!) puff out their cheeks and clap their lips! Victory will be ours !
    1. +4
      24 May 2016 07: 35
      Quote: 30BIS
      Recognize the lands of New Russia. And let the partners (not for sex !!) puff out their cheeks and clap their lips! Victory will be ours !

      Well, we admit, and then what? Will we give Kiev to Bandera?
      1. +2
        24 May 2016 08: 05
        Well, we admit, and then what? Will we give Kiev to Bandera?


        Horseradish with Kiev. Who has Kiev and has debts. To Novorossia pick up from Kharkov to Odessa.
  9. +1
    24 May 2016 07: 24
    But really what the hell do you need this powder? they drive with him like a decommissioned bag ... and indeed normal people sleep at night, and don't talk on the phone ... Putin, unlike them, works, he has no time to engage in nonsense laughing hi
    1. +3
      24 May 2016 07: 33
      Quote: OlfRed
      But really what the hell do you need this powder? they drive with him like a decommissioned bag ... and indeed normal people sleep at night, and don't talk on the phone ... Putin, unlike them, works, he has no time to engage in nonsense

      Well, why did you attack Petrushka? Well, they made him feel his greatness once! Though at night, but with big boys! They also gave me a go and smoke!
  10. +2
    24 May 2016 07: 27
    The agreement on the deployment of a police mission in the Donbass - does not meet the interests and goals of the DPR and LPR, but will condone the military destruction of the republics, I categorically do not understand and do not support the position of Russia on this issue !!!
  11. +1
    24 May 2016 07: 30
    the Syrian issue was also discussed (and where did Poroshenko? ..).

    And how without him? This is a whistle in the EuroAss !!!
  12. +2
    24 May 2016 07: 36
    OSCE Military Mission (NATO) what CSTO maybe? Since the introduction of the OSCE military mission means an armed occupation of Donbass. The Germans will do everything for Poroshenko! The unrecognized republics will be disarmed, they will block the border with the Russian Federation, and the Ukrainian Central Election Commission will hold elections with a predicted result. Smartly! am
  13. +2
    24 May 2016 07: 37
    It's funny how the putriots pretend that they don’t give a damn about Donbass! What does Syria have to do with it? When Europolits are introduced to Russian lands!
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  15. +1
    24 May 2016 07: 49
    If there are Kazakhs, Serbs and Greeks in the OSCE police mission, then this can be discussed - we saw about other European police operations in Yugoslavia !!!
  16. +3
    24 May 2016 07: 52
    Nobody enters anyone! Well, what did Petya say about the police mission? Who supported him? It can be introduced only with the mutual consent of the parties, and the DPR and LPR clearly stated that they do not need people with weapons and incomprehensible powers on their territory.
  17. 0
    24 May 2016 08: 03
    I hope Russia will keep under tight control. The entry of OSCE police in Dombass. And then you can expect everything from them. And it’s also interesting that representatives from Russia will be there.
  18. +2
    24 May 2016 08: 03
    "Expressed support for the deployment of a police mission in the territory of Donbass and began consultations on this issue."
    The next question, obviously, is the disarmament of "illegal" armed groups. Read the army of Novorossiya.
    1. 0
      24 May 2016 08: 49
      The next question, obviously, is the disarmament of "illegal" armed groups. Read the army of Novorossiya.
      I can not agree with that. Putin has no conscience to go for it. He’s not that kind of person. To agree with fascism.
      1. 0
        24 May 2016 09: 26
        . Putin has no conscience to go for it. He is not such a person. To agree with fascism
        Politics and conscience are not compatible. Putin is a politician.
  19. 0
    24 May 2016 08: 20
    Evil uncles had him on the phone, and Petenka cried quietly, wiped his tears and showed Fig to everyone under the table ...
  20. HAM
    +4
    24 May 2016 08: 24
    I found it, not everyone on Urkain is zombified .... It is quite possible to recover, but, first, a surgeon, and then a therapist.
    1. 0
      24 May 2016 09: 27
      Quote: HAM
      It may well be recovery, but, first, the surgeon, and then
      pathologist.
  21. +1
    24 May 2016 08: 32
    While chatting in vain people die.
  22. +2
    24 May 2016 08: 39
    Poroshenko: And I believed him. Who needs me now!crying
  23. +4
    24 May 2016 08: 44
    It looks like things are moving towards the Yugoslavian scenario. It did not work to "embrace" the whole of Ukraine, the West will divide it and eat it up in parts. Another Poroshenko like this and the country will not be.
  24. +1
    24 May 2016 09: 03
    Why did you need to have a telephone conversation late at night? One of the versions under discussion: so that Poroshenko could once again consult with Washington in real time.
    Well, he is not the only one - Parashenko with Biden, Merkel with Obama.
  25. +1
    24 May 2016 09: 14
    Everything is thought out in Minsk, you just need to
    make Kiev comply with the agreement.
  26. 0
    24 May 2016 09: 36
    One of the topics for discussion on the web - why did you need to have a telephone conversation late at night? One of the discussed versions: so that Poroshenko can once again consult with Washington in real time ...

    The second version is due to the fact that after 22 hours they don’t sell vodka and Pedro will be able to hear and understand something ...
  27. 0
    24 May 2016 10: 49
    Quote: KRIG55
    It looks like things are moving towards the Yugoslavian scenario. It did not work to "embrace" the whole of Ukraine, the West will divide it and eat it up in parts. Another Poroshenko like this and the country will not be.

    Yes, the Americans began to implement such a scenario from the very beginning. Crimea was prepared for the fate of Kosovo with Crimean Tatars instead of Albanians, Donbass - Serbian Krajina with ethnic cleansing, Western Ukraine - Croatia with a Catholic population, Left-bank Ukraine - Serbia proper, etc. When a failure occurred in the American program and the people of Crimea did not let their land be torn apart and saved themselves from extermination and civil war by joining Russia, then the Americans simply went crazy: was it a joke that such a cluster as the Crimea, connecting everything, fell out of their "computer"? But time goes on, the system needs to be restored somehow, hence these attempts to talk at night, because, probably, the workload is less and third-party factors do not interfere. Do not forget that when we have night, in the USA it is morning / day of the previous day. In the "four", Washington's fifth leg is clearly visible, which everyone needs, like that dog.
  28. 0
    24 May 2016 14: 00
    I have a question? In general, three of the four decide something?
  29. +1
    24 May 2016 14: 33
    If there are no representatives of Donbass, what does gutting do there? Parties to the conflict are Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk, and let the rest stand behind their backs, control and guarantee ... And if the guarantors want to talk to each other on any issues, then there’s nothing Ukrainians to do ...
    DLNR have already declared their attitude to any policemen - to shoot at everyone who has weapons from the west ... Nobody hears?