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Putin: there is no bargaining with Japan over the Kuriles

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Moscow does not conduct any bargaining when discussing the issue of the Kuril Islands, part of which is contested by Japan, reports TASS statement of Vladimir Putin.




“Regarding our relations with Japan and your thesis that we are ready to sell something more expensive. We do not sell anything. We are ready to buy a lot, but do not sell anything ",
President told reporters after the Russia-ASEAN summit.

“We are ready and want to conduct a dialogue with all our partners, including with Japan, including the conclusion of a peace treaty,” he added.

Recall that the Japanese government disputes the ownership of the islands of Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and the Habomai island groups, which after World War II were incorporated into the USSR.



TASS certificate (based on materials from the Historical and Documentary Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation): “The process of joining the Kuril Islands to Russia lasted for several decades. The first (from the north) islands of the Kuril ridge were attached to Russia in 1711, the last (southern) islands in 1778. The first map ("drawing") of the Kuril Islands was a Cossack-navigator I. Kozyrevsky (1711). On the first and subsequent maps, the Kuril Islands were designated as a single geographical object without dividing them into the Greater and Lesser Kuril Ridges. The accession of the Kuril Islands to Russia was carried out on behalf of the sovereign power of Russia and in accordance with the norms of international law of that time.

The indigenous people of the Kuril Islands did not have their Ainu statehood; before the arrival of the Russians, they considered themselves independent; no tribute was paid to anyone.

For almost the entire 70-year period of the development of the Kuril Islands, the Russians have never met the Japanese there. The first meeting of the Russians with the Japanese took place on 19 on June 1778 in the town of Akkesi on Fr. Hokkaido, where the Japanese arrived to trade with the Ainu. At that time, about. Hokkaido has not yet been completely conquered by the Japanese.

The Japanese invasion of the southern Kuril Islands (Kunashir and Iturup) refers to the 1786-1787. It was then that the Japanese threatened the Russian fishing workers who were there to leave the islands. In 1798, the Japanese military unit on Kunashir and Iturup destroyed all evidence of ownership of these islands of Russia. ”
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Alexey Druzhinin / Presidential Press Service / TASS
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  1. just exp
    just exp 21 May 2016 10: 41
    +32
    Yes, it was already clear. but even here there were those who believed that Russia would give the Kuril Islands.
    pancake . as you can understand these people, one day the news is that military equipment is going to the Kuril Islands, and a day later, the news about the claims of the Yapi komenty in the style that the Kuril Islands will be given. and the thought came to their head that - why then was military equipment being driven there?
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 May 2016 10: 56
      +14
      Putin said briefly and clearly - we are not trading in our homeland.
      1. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 21 May 2016 11: 28
        +3
        And the Shtokman shelf field, and the strategically important islands along the rivers, and the shelf in the Bering Sea ???
        Dvorkovichi in the Kuril Islands also think differently.
      2. kepmor
        kepmor 21 May 2016 11: 51
        +5
        And 700 billion rubles, "communed from the country" and shoved into offshores in 2015 alone by the ruling elite - is this not trade in the Motherland ????
        Well, tell me more that all the liberals-saboteurs did it, they say they are the only ones selling the Motherland in pieces, and the EP with the government and the Central Bank under the strict guidance of the GDP is generally "out of business"!
        1. sir_obs
          sir_obs 21 May 2016 13: 23
          +14
          Sir. Or just Mr. Kozyrev, who is now living in the USA, with companions like Kasyanov and the company have knocked it all down earlier and shoved it unthinkably much in offshore and other meta. Personally, he dealt with the sale of the Kuril Islands to the Japanese, and they wanted to transfer Siberia to the Americans for rent. Thank God there were people who stopped this topic. By the way, the current Russian representative to the UN Churki had a hand in stopping the looting of the country by the liberals.
          And if they come to power, God forbid, we will not only lose the island, but in general everything.
          The most corrupt country is the United States. They just made this topic legal and pay taxes on it. And then everything becomes legal. You need to shove any question in the congress, you go pay grandmother and lobby your interests in full. And what a heredity they have, the presidents father, son and grandson. And nothing, no one is outraged.


          The liberals did nothing for this country, they never considered it their homeland, but only a means of profit. And at all times.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 21 May 2016 15: 55
            -2
            Quote: sir_obs
            stop the looting of the country by the liberals

            Quote: sir_obs
            if they come to power
            Hey hello. Putin himself admitted that he is the main liberal, and that Russia will remain a country with a liberal economy. And the same liberals at one time brought him to power.
            Quote: sir_obs
            The most corrupt country is the USA
            There is probably some other type of corruption that allows the country to have a high standard of living, excellent infrastructure, excellent roads, contain the most technologically advanced army in the world, excellent industry, astronautics, leading corporations and universities, and in general remain one of the most attractive countries for life. Look, thousands of people from our country are crowding there for a green card.
            Quote: sir_obs
            And nothing, no one is outraged.
            Because the system continues to work, changing very little the life of the average American. And everything from the president to the president in the country is changing.
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 21 May 2016 22: 53
              +1
              "There must be some other type of corruption that allows the country to have a high standard of living" - how many Americans are forced to live in trailers on unemployment benefits? "excellent infrastructure, excellent roads" - probably in Detroit! "" contain the most technologically advanced army in the world "- which has not won a single war!" excellent industry "- China is in shock." cosmonautics "- which roams the vastness with the help of Russian engines." leading corporations and universities "- and students are Hindus." and generally remain one of the most attractive countries for life "- that is why it is preparing millions of coffins and prisons for the future.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 22 May 2016 12: 45
                +2
                Quote: dr.star75
                how many Americans are forced to live in wagons for unemployment benefits?
                For the most part, these are marginal illiterate elements who do not want to work. But mind you, the allowance to make ends meet they receive.
                Quote: dr.star75
                probably in Detroit!
                And in Detroit too. Detroit was the victim of a total black resettlement of blacks and eventually turned into a ghetto. But the city itself in terms of infrastructure will give odds to any Russian.
                Quote: dr.star75
                who won no war!
                Well, depending on what you mean by winning. In one way or another, they achieved their goals in all recent conflicts. Undesirable regimes were overthrown, they appointed their puppets, freestuff oil was pumped, etc.
                Quote: dr.star75
                which plows open spaces with the help of Russian engines.
                They pay us for them. And they themselves are simultaneously conducting their developments in this area. And at the same time they launch rovers and probes to distant planets.
                Quote: dr.star75
                and Hindus students
                And the Russians too. And the Americans. And the Chinese. America in general is a country of emigrants.
                Quote: dr.star75
                that is why it prepares millions of coffins and prisons for the future.
                You just look at the statistics. How many Americans are eager to live in Russia, and how many Russians are in America.
            2. sir_obs
              sir_obs 22 May 2016 01: 03
              +1
              You study the life of the average American in the movies, or what? I have several friends who have been living in the USA for a long time. I know one thing from kindergarten. Here he is an average American, working around the clock to somehow make ends meet, to learn two children and all that. At the same time, he has diabetes and there are still a lot of diseases against his background. But he cannot afford to hurt, otherwise he will not survive. Health insurance does not cover anything. What is vacation he has already forgotten.
              Life in the states is not the same as in the movies.
              Not everything is rosy.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 22 May 2016 12: 53
                +1
                Quote: sir_obs
                on the movies
                Yeah, based on Santa Barbara.
                Quote: sir_obs
                I have several friends who have been living in the USA for a long time.
                Me too. And a couple of people in Canada.
                Quote: sir_obs
                Here he is an average American, working around the clock to somehow make ends meet
                Who works? What kind of education ?!
                Quote: sir_obs
                Life in the states is not the same as in the movies.
                If you have education (normal education, not a "public relations manager") and some kind of qualifications, then you can live quite normally. I have several familiar programmers, one electronic physicist, everyone settled there quite tolerably. Nobody tears back.
                Quote: sir_obs
                Not everything is rosy.
                Clear business. They are not waiting for us anywhere. Just prospects, for example, the IT specialist there really is more. Especially if he has profile certificates of American companies on hand.
                PS No need to think that I'm a fan of the States. I’m not tearing there, and I never even thought about moving there. But, objectively, by a combination of factors, living there is easier. Especially if you are really ready to work, and not beg for benefits.
      3. Vladimyrych
        Vladimyrych 21 May 2016 12: 53
        +7
        Well yes. Homeland neither. Bowels. Only subsoil. Bypassing 98% of the population.
    2. CORNET
      CORNET 21 May 2016 10: 57
      +5
      Putin might not have made excuses to the liberals .... It is not yet known who owes what to anyone! After all, the gold reserve of Tsarist Russia in Japan is stored (most) and with interest there has already run a lot ... All of Japan can already be bought! laughing So calm gentlemen, the deflection is counted (you can run for grants at the US Embassy))))
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 21 May 2016 12: 04
        0
        Quote: CORNET
        The gold reserve of Tsarist Russia in Japan is stored

        Long gone for US reparations
    3. Teberii
      Teberii 21 May 2016 11: 00
      +1
      It's not about giving up or giving up. It's about the recognition of the two states by each other. "Missouri" is surrender, but not peace. In Japan, this issue is like "crap" in humans. Especially after the return of Crimea.
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 21 May 2016 11: 08
        +7
        Yes, the Japs of the island do not need these .. They need them to cut the Pacific Fleet from the ocean. And they have the same bucha with China, so that their fleet would not be let out for the islands
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 21 May 2016 12: 01
          +1
          1000 raz plus ...
        2. Vasiliev Yu
          Vasiliev Yu 21 May 2016 23: 38
          -1
          There are no words ... I write again: look at the number of people in Japan and here, and look at the size of the territories. Be very surprised, and you will no longer ask if they need islands or not.
      2. vovanpain
        vovanpain 21 May 2016 11: 27
        +8
        Quote: Teberii
        Especially after the return of Crimea.

        And Crimea is moreover a colleague, rather after Kosovo’s tearing away from Yugoslavia. request
    4. Finches
      Finches 21 May 2016 11: 02
      +5
      I have a strong feeling that it was the Anglo-Saxons by manipulating Japanese education after surrender in World War II that created the myth in the heads of the children of the rising sun that these islands are them! And I constantly cultivated this myth in Japanese broad circles with only one purpose - not to give to sign a peace treaty with Russia and not to give any reason for the rapprochement of our countries in the long run!
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 21 May 2016 18: 23
        +1
        And schoolchildren in Japan are convinced that the Russians dropped atomic beans on them. Where the world is heading. Or have imperial ambitions again begun to play at the American colony? What does it say? The results of the Second World War can be shown.
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 22 May 2016 02: 41
          +1
          As you already got with this stamp !!! Schoolchildren in Japan know very well who dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Do not make this nation stupid !!! And the country's imperial ambitions are a healthy trend, otherwise degradation will occur.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 21 May 2016 21: 07
        -2
        Well, until 1945, the skeletons of the South Kuril ridge were really Japanese, they were never part of the Russian Empire. We took them rightfully the winner of the war, which is absolutely correct.
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        2. siberalt
          siberalt 21 May 2016 21: 52
          +2
          There are specific historical documents proving that not only the islands of the Kuril ridge belonged to the Russian Empire, but also the island of Hokkaido. This island was discovered by Russian sailors Antipin and Shabolin on the Ekaterina galleon in 1769. The Ainu lived there and they became subjects of the Russian Empire. Yasyk was collected by Russian Cossacks. In 1786, the Japanese first visited this island, when the "Spatial Land Description" was already compiled under Catherine II, according to which the Kuriles and Hokkaido belonged to Russia. The fact that Hokkaido belonged to the Russian Empire is also evidenced by the letter of Alexander the First to the Japanese emperor in 1803. So that there is still that story.
    5. Stas157
      Stas157 21 May 2016 11: 11
      +3
      Quote: just explo
      Yes, it was already clear. but even here there were those who believed that Russia would give the Kuril Islands.

      And why then negotiations on sensitive issues? Well, you’re not leading, and will not negotiate, to give your wife to be used, as if who didn’t want to! Because the thought of it is insulting, and the situation is absurd! But if our government regularly negotiates on the topic of whether or not to give up the islands, should I react calmly ??
      1. just exp
        just exp 21 May 2016 11: 52
        0
        what are the talks on the Kuril Islands? ours meet on ALL GENERAL issues among which the JAPANESE raise the topic of the Kuril Islands. they are politely sent and they merge for a while.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 21 May 2016 12: 32
          +5
          Quote: just explo
          what are the talks on the Kuril Islands? ours meet on ALL GENERAL issues among which the JAPANESE raise the topic of the Kuril Islands. they are politely sent and they merge for a while.

          Yes you! Our government, as it does not meet with the Japanese, so the topic of disputed territories is rising! Well, articles about it! And the water wears away the stone ... the USSR almost gave up two islands, Yeltsin, too! We were lucky, greed ruined the Japanese, they wanted all four, did not receive, not one! Remember, negotiations about the same thing are not brought to good, if you really do not want something, then there is nothing to say about it! It is enough to state this firm position!
    6. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 21 May 2016 11: 13
      +4
      Libers. And the whole Internet is full: the pension will be taken away in March ... April ... May ... now in June. Opinion needs to be formed, nervousness, not confidence in the future. A little glitch, a delay, and we told you. The scheme is one. I went on a visit, I clearly went to conspire. They arrived, brought it even clearer in a briefcase, they saw everything. Fifth column.
    7. bylec
      bylec 21 May 2016 13: 32
      +1
      class we have a lot but do not mind and buy
    8. 97110
      97110 21 May 2016 18: 36
      -2
      Quote: just explo
      Why then are military equipment being driven there?

      The command is given. Do not try to penetrate the surrounding reality by the power of sanity - maintain mental health. Older people, who saw what some civilian commanders-in-chief did with the USSR, are not so surprised.
    9. Alexdark
      Alexdark 22 May 2016 01: 15
      +2
      You write this to people who believe that 2/3 of Russia has already been given to China and the reptilians from Nibiru. That is to say, to a detachment of people calling themselves "all-propals".
    10. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 22 May 2016 09: 42
      0
      Here is an interesting - until deleted wink : http://www.gumilev-center.ru/putin-i-medvedev-podarili-norvegii-shelf-v-barencev

      om-more /
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  2. avvg
    avvg 21 May 2016 10: 44
    0
    Putin said that we are not selling anything, but we are ready to buy, that is, it is time to return Russia to all that we have discovered - Alaska.
  3. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 21 May 2016 10: 48
    +10
    I translate from diplomatic Russian into Russian: Zadolbali invent fairy tales and dissolve gossip! laughing
  4. newcomer
    newcomer 21 May 2016 10: 55
    +2
    Q.E.D. everything is fine.
  5. techie
    techie 21 May 2016 10: 57
    +2
    A little earlier there was an article here, which dealt with some statements by Shinzo Abe for the Japanese after the Sochi meeting that a breakthrough had been achieved in the "northern territories". I then said that well, there was simply nothing joyful to tell him in fact, so he took it and stupidly came up with a solution. laughing And Putin has now confirmed that the Japanese can dream of the South Kuril Islands even until they turn blue. And tell each other that here's a little more - and happiness will happen to them. Fools are generally richer in thought.
  6. Tanya
    Tanya 21 May 2016 10: 57
    +5
    We do not sell anything.

    The trading house "Gorbachev and K" is closed, I hope that it will be forever. Putin has the keys, Shoigu has the second set.
    As they say in one beautiful film - Walk, Vasya ... wassat
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 21 May 2016 15: 57
      0
      Quote: Tanya
      Putin has the keys, Shoigu has the second set.
      And what will happen after Putin, is he not eternal ?!
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 21 May 2016 16: 00
        -3
        Quote: Greenwood
        Quote: Tanya
        Putin has the keys, Shoigu has the second set.
        And what will happen after Putin, is he not eternal ?!

        Want to start a scrach?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 21 May 2016 17: 29
          -2
          Yeah, I’m already dreaming.
      2. Tanya
        Tanya 21 May 2016 17: 12
        +1
        [/ quote] And what will happen after Putin, is he not eternal?! [/ quote]
        Sorry, but this is a different topic. And here - about the islands.
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      4. Toeter tier
        Toeter tier 21 May 2016 18: 47
        -3
        There are still children of Putin
        1. svp67
          svp67 21 May 2016 18: 52
          +1
          Quote: Toeter Tier
          There are still children of Putin

          True? Oh, how interesting. And sho?
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          2. Toeter tier
            Toeter tier 21 May 2016 19: 01
            -3
            SHO-SHO-King is dead - Long live the King!
            1. svp67
              svp67 21 May 2016 19: 04
              +1
              Quote: Toeter Tier
              SHO-SHO-King is dead - Long live the King!

              And then I watch Bush Sr., Bush Jr., Bush Jr. ...
              What about Putin’s children?
              1. Toeter tier
                Toeter tier 21 May 2016 19: 27
                -3
                Children of Medveput ....
                1. svp67
                  svp67 21 May 2016 19: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Toeter Tier
                  Children of Medveput ....

                  I read about the children of "Lieutenant Schmitt", but who are they?
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                  2. Toeter tier
                    Toeter tier 21 May 2016 19: 37
                    -2
                    First Putin, then Medvedev, then Putin. Then the children of Medveput. The dynasty of MedvePutov ...
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  7. Stas157
    Stas157 21 May 2016 10: 58
    +2
    Here is the news (for me)! It turns out all the Kuril Islands, originally belonged to Russia! I thought, by ignorance, that we won the islands from the Japanese! But it turns back! So, what ... then the Japanese generally drool on our original islands! Nothing to talk to them at all!
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    2. Toeter tier
      Toeter tier 21 May 2016 19: 29
      0
      Demand is not prohibited, let them demand.
  8. t118an
    t118an 21 May 2016 10: 59
    -2
    It could be more and more harsh answer .. like for example Estonians like .. "your ears, not .." .. in general, the Japanese also understood "ears" to them and not the islands good
  9. Monos
    Monos 21 May 2016 11: 07
    +17
    Now the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is in fact our inner sea. Discovering it passing the islands will be the height of stupidity. GDP has never been stupid.
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    2. Toeter tier
      Toeter tier 21 May 2016 19: 39
      -1
      I wish I could find out about IQ! -Mog and a lot would become clear ...
      Although I saw Putin, he even greeted me ... It seems like not a curve ...
  10. VSkilled
    VSkilled 21 May 2016 11: 07
    +9
    While the ENTIRE "Kuril Ridge" is ours, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is OUR INNER reservoir.

    With all the "nishtyaks" due, in the form of biological and mineral resources.

    And we have the full legal right not to let anyone go there.

    The Japanese do not need islands; they aim for resources.

    And the potential cost of these resources many times (!) Exceeds the cost of the entire Japanese economy.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 21 May 2016 21: 14
      0
      The Sea of ​​Okhotsk was recognized by the UN inland sea of ​​Russia.
  11. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 21 May 2016 11: 13
    +1
    Japanese mother! You cannot put the Yankees in their place in Okinawa, much less drive them out of there! And the Kuril Islands, they even have a Russian name! The hypothetical possession of the Kuril Islands by Japan means the possession of the United States by them, the samurai’s scent of islands stinks very strongly of star-stripe.
  12. aszzz888
    aszzz888 21 May 2016 11: 18
    +1
    Not an inch, Russian land, we will not give up. No options. Point. angry
  13. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 21 May 2016 11: 24
    +2
    for avvg
    Before returning to Alaska, for a start, it would be nice to restore the borders of Russia, at least within the borders of the USSR.
  14. sl22277
    sl22277 21 May 2016 11: 25
    +3
    A world without territorial concessions from Russia. We do not believe that a peace treaty is a synonym for solving a territorial problem! This is the most important thing.
  15. 31rus2
    31rus2 21 May 2016 11: 27
    +3
    Dear, everything is clear and clear, but the question itself is not for nothing raised, because oh, how rapprochement between Russia and Japan is, it’s worth starting from here, but it’s easier to speculate on the topic itself. About the island of China, the river has changed its course and the island logically ended up in the territory of China, about the shelf sold by Shevarnadze, yes it was, but this is a question for another government, and here we need a law prohibiting even attempts to discuss such issues, territories owned or in the future will belong to Russia are not even subject to consideration as bargaining instrument, (sorry as managed, so outlined)
    1. tafalar
      tafalar 21 May 2016 16: 05
      0
      how long did the river change course?) per night or per month? we gave the island that was just formed? and there were no buildings on it? What if the river changes again? so just in case I asked. then suddenly tomorrow I’m on Chinese soil.
  16. alfa19638
    alfa19638 21 May 2016 11: 45
    +1
    the main thing is that the words do not diverge from deeds
  17. Comrade Glebov
    Comrade Glebov 21 May 2016 11: 49
    -1
    But the comments ...
  18. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 21 May 2016 11: 56
    +2
    In 1798, the Japanese military detachment on Kunashir and Iturup destroyed all evidence of the ownership of these islands in Russia

    I don’t know how the Japanese (they, of course, have a different opinion), but it was clear to normal people back in 1945 that they lost, calm down. And do not scratch "Honduras" - the proverb says.
  19. bmv04636
    bmv04636 21 May 2016 12: 25
    +2
    But the Japanese Hokkaido does not press and laughing. And our base there would have looked not bad at all
  20. Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev 21 May 2016 12: 25
    -3
    “As for our relations with Japan and your thesis that we are ready to sell something more expensive. We are not selling anything. We are ready to buy a lot, but do not sell anything "
    Hahaha.
    Industry, times: http://tor85.livejournal.com/3111602.html
    Agriculture, two: http://mcx-consult.ru/d/77622/d/uchastie-innostrannogo-kapitala-v-pischevoy-prom
    ylennosti-rossii_analiz.pdf
    And what about the financial sector, m? Under what currency does the Central Bank print rubles, for example?
    And with economic development? Here is a fresh from Ulyukaev: http://economy.gov.ru/minec/about/collegium/2016250402
    They don’t sell anything, yeah. They don’t sell at all. Especially in an economy where everything is tied to selling and buying. Ha ha ha
    1. Pyokhar
      Pyokhar 21 May 2016 15: 35
      +3
      Do you feel bad reading comprehension? smile Putin spoke out about our relations with Japan and about not selling the Kuril Islands. Why did you stick economics, finances and agriculture here?
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 21 May 2016 15: 59
        -1
        Quote: Pyohar
        Why did you stick economics, finances and agriculture here?
        Probably to Putin's phrase that "we nothing we do not sell. ”He not only meant the Kuriles.
        1. Pyokhar
          Pyokhar 21 May 2016 16: 05
          +1
          I realized what he wrote. I asked him: did Undermining Ustoyev himself understand what he wrote? laughing
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    3. Toeter tier
      Toeter tier 21 May 2016 21: 00
      +1
      Cool, thanks for the links, especially pleased with the table with Inn. shares in our industries, laughed heartily. But here they don’t like this, for the truth they are minus it, nobody needs it here. I’ve got a neighbor, I’m sawing the forest with hectares from Karelia, and the owner of the company is Finn! -And they take out the woods over the hillock))) You don’t have to go far — an example is obvious!
      1. Pyokhar
        Pyokhar 21 May 2016 21: 55
        -2
        So what? We have few foreign masters in Russia, is this a crime? smile Or maybe our lands are taken out together with the forest? So no, our land and our forest. What is the problem, what is your truth? And in general, how is it to stick to the Kuril Islands? laughing
  21. Mentat
    Mentat 21 May 2016 13: 06
    +1
    Quote: Talker

    There are problems and we need to talk about them

    Only you interpret them in a propaganda style.

    Honestly, if the GDP returned to Russia the piece of the sea given to Norway, I would be glad with all my heart and say: "Well done man!"
    Or would they rent part of the territory from China to expand the agriculture of the Khabarovsk Territory or deploy a military base in Mexico ...

    Honestly, you begin to doubt the sanity of the person who writes such opuses.
    Why should we rent land from China ?? Why do we need a military base in Mexico ?? Where was rational thinking when you wrote it? Do you have such a peculiar “pain for the Motherland”? Then this is about you: "Sometimes it's better to chew than talk."

    Regarding the definition of the border with Norway, this is a complex, complex issue that cannot be shoved into the framework of one stamped phrase that you are trying to do.

    In fact, in these territories there was a conflict of international legislative norms: the sectoral principle of defining borders, which had been working since the 20s of the 20th century, and the new standards of the 200-mile economic zone. The USSR and Russia recognized / recognizes both principles, respectively, this sea zone inevitably became a disputed territory.

    The issue began to gain urgency due to the fact that significant hydrocarbon reserves are opening up in these territories. In order to remove the problem of exact ownership, legal claims, to eliminate in advance the probable attempts to hinder the normal operation of the mining industry in the region, an agreement was made on demarcation in the Barents Sea.
  22. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 21 May 2016 13: 53
    +2
    Quote: Sarmat149
    Tolmach just got it. Go to the presidency and do it right.

    why the hell am I such a president? There were already Gorbachev Yeltsins, they did the right thing for the interpreter. Enough, already sick of urapatriots.
  23. loginovich
    loginovich 21 May 2016 14: 30
    +3
    When I was a Soviet schoolboy I never heard that the Japanese would make claims against the Kuril Islands. For 30 years now, the Japanese have been pouring the mill on the exact same mill. Are the Japanese really stupid. Khokhl Brezhnev was embarrassed to claim the islands and the Russian patriots EBN, Medvedev, They are not embarrassed by Putin. Maybe Khokhol Brezhnev was more Russian than my comrades above. In conclusion, there is a popular wisdom: there is no smoke without fire.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 21 May 2016 21: 18
      0
      When I was a schoolboy, I heard about these claims many times. The Soviet press constantly wrote about them.
  24. gg.na
    gg.na 21 May 2016 14: 51
    0
    In general, as for the Kuriles, then: - "Bargaining is not appropriate here!" bully
  25. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 21 May 2016 14: 58
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    Pusher, you seem to be a writer, not a reader. You have been answered in detail all your questions about Japan, China and Norway, but you continue to bend somewhat to the side. There are a lot of materials on the Kuril Islands on the Internet, look at least at Wiki at your leisure.
    Yes, by the way, today is Military Tolmach’s day, even if you don’t have a relationship, it’s all the same with the Holiday!
  26. Greenwood
    Greenwood 21 May 2016 16: 04
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    It would be interesting to hear how the islanders themselves relate to the hypothetical prospect of joining Japan. As far as I heard, one of the accession projects provides for the automatic granting of Japanese citizenship to all Kurilians, as well as the possibility of moving to any prefecture if desired. And this is in a country whose citizenship is almost impossible to obtain.
  27. bmv04636
    bmv04636 21 May 2016 17: 24
    +1
    In general, the Japanese occupied the islands by destroying the Ainu, as the Britons occupied Australia and America, crowding out the local population
  28. Toeter tier
    Toeter tier 21 May 2016 18: 17
    +2
    Quote: Talker
    Quote: just explo
    but even here there were those who believed that Russia would give the Kuril Islands.


    If there were no precedents with a piece of the Barents Sea - Norway
    http://www.gumilev-center.ru/putin-i-medvedev-podarili-norvegii-shelf-v-barencev

    om-more /
    And the islands of China
    "During his visit to China, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a document on the voluntary transfer of the Tarabarov Island and part of the Big Ussuriysky Island to the PRC."

    So no one would doubt it!
    In addition, the results of the negotiations are secret from something. So they’re hiding something.
    And since there is no trust and no information, the appearance of speculation is a natural process. And there is nothing to be surprised at.

    And the fact that the officials on all channels assure that they will not give up the Kuril Islands - there is no trust in them.
    In general, I stopped paying attention to the statements of all the Peskovs and other "talking heads" there, because their words specifically for television and reality have nothing to do with it.

    Sensible link-read with wide eyes, doesn’t it seem to you that something is wrong? So that you need to give good reasons to distribute the territories ..
  29. Cat man null
    Cat man null 21 May 2016 18: 31
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    Quote: Toeter Tier
    Don't you think something is wrong here? In order to distribute territories, you need good reason ..


    Quote: flay
    Disputes about a piece of the Barents Sea have been going on since 1970.
    The site was called "controversial", as there were disputes about ownership. And since this plot, an area of ​​175 thousand square meters. km., was controversial, then he, as it were, was "no man."

    And from here there are a lot of problems. No owner? Who wants to climb. For example, until recently, fishing vessels from all over the world fished there. And this is a loss. Both ours and Norwegian.

    The dispute itself was fought only on the topic of who will get the most, they understood about the need for a section back in 1970.

    Norway wanted to get into the blue line, the USSR - to the red line.
    At the moment, it is divided “according to concepts”, as a result of which, by the way, Russia got a larger chunk from the disputed region. Now the border is drawn, it is and legalized. No "left" miners, no "left" prey.

    Svalbard Norway got only because they put a flag on it before, but ours may have been there before.

    In china.

    "One and a half islands." Amur river. Tarabarova Island and less than half of Bolshoi Ussuriysky Island.

    The territorial dispute around the island of Tarabarov and the Big Ussuri Island on the Amur began in 1964, when the USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev and Chinese leader Mao Zedong agreed on the demarcation of territories, but did not agree on the issue of these islands.

    After that, the Chinese launched the so-called irrigation war and began to regularly flood sand barges in the Kazakevichev duct. If the channel dried up, the islands, having connected with the Chinese coast, would automatically become Chinese, so the Chinese poured sand into the Amur, and the Russians deepened the bottom and strengthened the coast.

    In 1991, Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev signed a border treaty with China, and the border was drawn along the Amur channel. All this time, the border between Russia and China for almost 4 km remained unmarked.

    Now answer why:
    Khrushchev muddied the whole cheese
    I signed this h..rnyu Gorbachev.
    But to blame - of course, Putin?

    Here .. it’s already higher, for the lazy and stupid specially copy here .. wink
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    2. Toeter tier
      Toeter tier 21 May 2016 19: 04
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      Yeah, and the States also gave up the disputed territory that they divided for 200 years))) - so that the third person does not go there .. For those who are not dull
  30. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 21 May 2016 21: 21
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    I advise everyone, before starting the discussion, to read in textbooks or on the Internet, what is the difference between territorial waters and the marine economic zone, what is the continental shelf, what is the inland sea.
  31. Lens
    Lens 21 May 2016 21: 42
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    Here, probably, "by contradiction" you need to go. Once the topic has been raised, it means "smoke without fire ..." you understand. And the king's retinue, if something happens, will endure! Today he said one thing, tomorrow another. The hangers-on will confirm in unison - they misunderstood him! One Peskov is getting money in vain ...
  32. ILIA
    ILIA 22 May 2016 02: 15
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    Need to close the question and forget ....
  33. Evil 55
    Evil 55 22 May 2016 05: 21
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    The Kuril Islands is a strategic reserve .. of Russia, not Zhapanii ..
  34. Private27
    Private27 22 May 2016 05: 54
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    Quote: Talker
    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    Kasparov is hiding under your sign ?!

    Perhaps Mr. Navalny, together with Mr. Kasparov, the Helsinki Group, I would put on a par with all sorts of Rotenbergs, Peskovs, and the EP in full force in one row ... near the wall! Of course, after a fair trial and sentencing, everything is according to the law of the Russian Federation.

    Do not go to the wall. Just let them sit and think. Put them on the count! am
  35. nik230794
    nik230794 22 May 2016 14: 33
    +1
    Too much Russian blood has been shed for every patch of our land to just give it away ...
    Relations between Russia and Japan over the 20th century have been very difficult, starting with the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905, in which our country lost the southern part of Sakhalin. Then there was an intervention during the years of the civil war.
    The victory of the Soviet troops in Mongolia, on the Khalkhin-Gol River, under the command of Zhukov, played a decisive role in Japan’s non-aggression against the USSR in 1941 and forced it to radically revise its strategic plans and plans.
    During the Great Patriotic War until mid-1943, hanging with its millionth Kwantung army over the Soviet Far East and Eastern Siberia, Japan fettered the Red Army troops stationed here, not allowing them to be used in the fight against Nazi invaders.
  36. Edvid
    Edvid 24 May 2016 02: 17
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    Quote: Pilat2009
    Quote: CORNET
    The gold reserve of Tsarist Russia in Japan is stored

    Long gone for US reparations

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    On the southernmost island of the Kuril Islands, Iturup, work is underway to build an enterprise for the extraction of Rhenium. This is the most expensive metal mined on Earth, and the only deposit on the planet is discovered on Iturup.
  37. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 24 May 2016 08: 41
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    There is no smoke without fire - Valdemar Valdemarovich says "there is no trading", but the Japs, on the contrary, "exists"? Who the hell knows who to believe? It is clear that the exit to the Ocean should NOT be given to the narrow-eyed !!!
  38. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 24 May 2016 10: 32
    +2
    If only Novorossia would politely decide to finally find it!