Thailand buys 10 Mi-17 from Russia, but refuses to buy T-90 tanks in favor of Chinese MBT-3000

The Thai media, citing sources in the main military department, report that the Kingdom’s Ministry of Defense has decided to purchase X-NUMX Mi-10 transport helicopters from Russia. The total amount of the transaction is estimated at about 17 million dollars. This is reported by the Deputy Prime Minister of Thailand, Rahit Wongsawan.

A report by government officials in Thailand says that Russian transport helicopters are expected to become part of the country's army and will be used to put out fires and carry out search and rescue operations.

Against this background, the news agency Interfax spreads the message that the Ministry of Defense of Thailand decided to refuse procurement tanks T-90 Russian production. Official Bangkok announced that it was ready to conclude a contract with China for the supply of several dozen MBT-3000 tanks. This tank was developed by NORINCO. It was first presented to a wide audience during an international exhibition in France in 2012.

Of the characteristics of the Chinese MBT-3000: length along with the gun - 10,1 m, width - 3,5 m, height - 2,4 m, the maximum speed on the highway - about 74 km / h. Tank weight - 52 tons. It has 6 track rollers on each side. Engine power - 1,3 thousand hp

Armament - smoothbore 125 caliber mm with automatic loader. There is the possibility of using guided missiles. Machine gun caliber 12,7 mm with the function of remote control and machine gun caliber 7,62 mm, as well as automatic grenade launchers.

Comments

[HERMES]

And here is the first signal that the PRC is turning into a powerful competitor to the Russian military-industrial complex ... continue to sell the Su-35 and other advanced technologies and equipment to China, created by our great minds ... and we will raise a new "Tatar Mongol yoke on our head "with more narrowed features.

[Imperial]

China, this is the secret of the Open, and the essence of the signal is a raft, ordered to live a long time, like the entire military-industrial complex of Ukraine.

[cniza]

Some kind of contradictory information, someone stirs up water - Chinese technology does not yet have a history of operation ... we'll see.

[BARKAS]

Quote: cniza

- Chinese technology does not yet have a history of operation ... we'll see.

But the T-90 has a history and this Chinese tank will probably be advertised as its "improved" analogue!

[svp67]

Quote: cniza

Some kind of contradictory information, someone stirs up water - Chinese technology does not yet have a history of operation ... we'll see.

Yes? Wake up. Tank "Type-59" is one of the most massive tanks in the world.

[xetai9977]

I have a Chinese phone myself. 2 years exploiting it just mercilessly, almost around the clock. It works just great! China will also show itself in the near future.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: cniza

Chinese technology does not yet have a history of operation ... we'll see.

A few years ago, Korean cars were considered bullshit. And now they are seriously pushing the Japanese. Chinese electronics a few years ago caused a squeamish smirk, and now at the level of world brands. The expansion of China in the arms market surpasses the percentage of growth. And they act without regard to international copyright standards. And technical espionage is their priority. So they will cope with the operation.
In this regard, the sale of the latest models of military equipment is nothing but sabotage and betrayal.

[sieras]

bullshit and left Korean cars. Thank God this is already the former owner of the new Hundai.

[Ilya74]

I have been operating for 4 years I don’t know. The car is different.

[mvg]

Probably they took an accent? Yes, and the first car? There were more than 20 cars in life .. Koreans are no worse than Germans and Japanese. Soon the Chinese will catch up .. God forbid Russia to have such corporations and technologies as Samsung, Hundai, Goldstar have .. They build supertankers (the thickest in the world), destroyers (the best in the world), combat training aircraft (some of the best in the world, Yak-130 smokes)

[Dormidont2]

it was necessary to offer t90ms

[HERMES]

Comrades ... well, why are you hanging on to "Oplot" -y? How long can you poke "shit in a pretty candy wrapper?" If Russia has lost so much the progression of technological power after the collapse of the USSR ... then the situation in Ukraine is much worse. reversed the progress of degradation in this area, then Ukraine is still in deep Zh.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Imperial

China, this is the secret of the Open, and the essence of the signal is a raft, ordered to live a long time, like the entire military-industrial complex of Ukraine.

Everywhere megazrad! Bender come clean up the mess! Glory to Ukraine! Download above, pan-head.

[trenitron]

As far as the media follows, ours refused to transfer production technologies to Thailand, but the Chinese agreed.

[Altona]

Quote: HERMES

And here is the first signal that China is turning into a powerful competitor to the Russian military-industrial complex ...

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Yes, he is not a competitor. Read about these tanks at least first. China advertises them as "innovative armored vehicles of the current millennium, superior to" Armata "in all characteristics." In fact, the same golimy Soviet T-72 is being sold, packed in a new faceted design with a new FCS. The tank is so damp that it constantly breaks down and suffers from childhood diseases. It is bought on the "cheap, give two" principle.

[HERMES]

Quote: Altona

Yes, he is not a competitor

I didn’t mean the tank ... but I mean the whole military-industrial complex of the PRC ... Chinese junk earned its reputation ... but time goes on ...
... once the inscription "Made in Germany" was a sign of a poor quality product ...

[wolk71]

When did the Germans make low-quality goods? Well, if only in the GDR.

[HERMES]

Quote: wolk71

When did the Germans make low-quality goods?

Well, if you don't know ... why write? When was it? During the wave of the industrial revolution ... when in the UK, a product labeled "Made in Germany" meant that the quality of products leaves much to be desired. The Germans gagged everyone a little later ...

[Dr. Bormental]

Well, what are your suggestions? Stop trading with China? Blanch - blanched, now your vision of this problem in the studio ... we will discuss I just for example do not have a definite answer ...

[HERMES]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

Well, what are your suggestions? Stop trading with China?

I may be poorly informed ... but since when is trade between Russia and China characterized as trade only in the military-industrial complex of the above countries? Without selling a few dozen Su-35s to China, Russia will not become poor. But at the same time it will seriously slow down the development of China ... which will be anyone , but not Russia's ally.

[Winnie76]

Quote: HERMES

Without selling a few dozen Su-35s to China, Russia will not become poorer, but at the same time it will seriously slow down the development of China ...

Firstly it’s getting poorer, secondly it’s said a million times that China will not be able to steal anything new from the Su-35. The glider has long been copied. From the S-400, too. The whole point is in electronic stuffing, software, etc.
About the tanks - bought, so what? Our T-72 / T-90 has licked for decades. And here is clearly a crude product. Let them take

[xetai9977]

Each weapon-selling country has its own market segment. Western and Israeli weapons are quite expensive. Not every country has a budget. Yes, and there are restrictions on the sale of a number of countries. And the Chinese sell to everyone and at a lower price. Not everyone needs super-duper tanks or planes, for example. Give them simpler, but cheaper. For neighbors sometimes do not.

[Yeraz]

Quote: HERMES

And here is the first signal that China is turning into a powerful competitor to the Russian military-industrial complex ...

This was understandable for a long time. Poor countries will be taken into orbit by the PRC and PRC, a competitor to Russian weapons and its markets. Other US buyers, NATO countries, Arabs, Koreans and Japanese will not let the Chinese arms into them.
Well, maybe the Arabs, with a small exception.

[Olena]

-Yes, that's right ... -delivery to China of Russian S-400, Su-35, etc. ... -And then ... -the ghost of "Damansky" will be a simple "horror story" in comparison with the coming trouble .., impending Russia from China ...

[vodolaz]

Interesting news, Thailand did not wait for Ukrainian Bastions. In general, on the site of the Thais, I thought and looked at the tank biathlon, how Chinese tanks got up there.

[Yak-15]

Yes, it is unlikely that Thais are going to fight at all. And tanks for prestige more. Well, if the price is lower. then, in general, everything goes very well.

[APASUS]

Quote: YAK-15

Yes, it is unlikely that Thais are going to fight at all. And tanks for prestige more. Well, if the price is lower. then, in general, everything goes very well.

The problem is completely different - there are no allied countries in Southeast Asia, so the tangle of accumulated problems has become even greater with the growth of the Chinese economy. The purchase seems strange, if only because a purely economic war between the countries of the region is now escalating and the purchase of such serious equipment, say, from a "competitor "not the best sign.

[svp67]

Quote: HERMES

And here is the first signal that China is turning into a powerful competitor to the Russian defense industry ..

Don't be ridiculous, this is the "one hundred and first" signal. Certainly not pleasant, but it is not worth dramatizing too much for now. Thailand is purchasing one battalion set of tanks for military trials. Let's see how they show themselves. It is quite possible that the "Peruvian history" may repeat itself.

[ibirus]

Competition is normal.

[Yak-15]

But he refused the Ukrainian T-84. All raguli joy)))

[sever.56]

The master is the master ...
Probably buy equipment. based on their financial capabilities, although they are well aware that our tanks will be better. An example of this is the attempt to destroy the T-90 in Syria is not the worst TOW.
Or maybe they think that it is not necessary to refuse a neighbor - the PRC.

[HERMES]

Quote: sever.56

although they understand that our tanks will be better.

With such arrogance and with such a pace of development of the Chinese military-industrial complex, this argument will lose its weight very soon. To be honest, I admire the cleverness of the Chinese in terms of "borrowing" technologies. They have almost become a more serious "likely enemy" than the United States.

[Igor39]

And at Vzglyad they said they would buy VT-4.

[Volodin]

Isn’t this one hy ... a divine idea? It seems like the export version of MBT-3000 with slight differences.

[Abbra]

Thailand ... A mysterious and magical country. They would have been arranged by the MiG-15 ...

[old pioneer]

The decision is due to the ability of the purchased equipment to reach the customer on its own.

[mamont5]

Quote: HERMES

And here is the first signal that the PRC is turning into a powerful competitor to the Russian military-industrial complex ... continue to sell the Su-35 and other advanced technologies and equipment to China, created by our great minds ... and we will raise a new "Tatar Mongol yoke on our head "with more narrowed features.

And that, now close on all sides, build a fence around the perimeter of Ala Ruin and cook in its own juice. So this is the main dream for the United States and its henchmen.

[vetor]

China is not far from Asian negotiations, the mentality is similar. And the service will be closer.

[Urgent]

This is an experimental game. Master-master, let them try. It is impossible to create a tank building school in a few years, so our Chinese comrades are making "casts" from our tanks. Moreover, these casts are just casts and remain.
In this case (my opinion), the price is crucial. As with the Chinese compact: why buy a cargo Gazelle if you can buy two Chinese for the same money? Perhaps they will last longer.
We will see.

[Dr. Bermental]

so that the Chinese do not offend bought)) geopolitics

[F.Vastag]

THAILAND- Long-time Client of the STATES (their Elder King Bhumipong-98-US Citizen (since he was born in the States), during the Vietnam War - Thailand was a "Stress Relief" and Cheap Brothel for American pilots - who escaped encounter with Russian missiles - through Cheap miniature Thai prostitutes (Thailand constantly conducts joint maneuvers with the Americans on its territory, etc.) NOT ALL (for Grandmas) SHOULD SELL WEAPONS (Mi-17 helicopters) .The USSR did not sell weapons to the Chilean Fascist PINOCHET (although it stepped on the Moral Principles - could also make a good BREAK (in Monetary terms) - on the supply of weapons to the Pro-American Pro-Fascist Regimes.) There are countries in ASIA (THAILAND TAIWAN SOUTH KOREA JAPAN PHILIPPINES INDONESIA MALAYSIA AUSTRALIA) which have long been and completely USEDS and to whom any Weapons from Russia to supply (to put it mildly): Not Recommended (since it (this weapon) with the help of the Americans, can later be turned against us (Russia). Not everyone (in the sale of Weapons for the Hill) should be Decided by Grandmas (momentary Navar and WALRUS), but Reason with Meaning (To whom we are selling and Why - with what consequences) should be present too

[Awaz]

Guys, countries like Thailand, don't buy weapons for war. This is such a trend, having extra headstock - you need to buy weapons, that is, adult toys and play with them. They don’t need a good weapon. They can do cheap. The Chinese are on this and support their arms exports. Although, of course, they learn to do something and when they do, yes. By the way, Russia, too, some types of weapons began with copying American English or German technology .. There is nothing terrible here. The main thing is that we can do it, continue to do it efficiently, and not spoil our reputation. And there will be plenty of people willing to buy. The world is not calm right now.

[F.Vastag]

If Thailand has extra money (and he SHOULD (desperately) buy weapons (for Pontov) - then why not buy, for example, American "APACHES" (instead of Mi-17). If Thailand does not buy weapons for a possible war, then Why ??? (for Pontov). Do not forget WHERE and WHERE (in which country) - at the first demand of the Americans was detained and extradited to the States: VICTOR BUT (yes, it happened in that very "innocent" and, as it were " Neutral "Thailand, which" buys weapons not for war ", but for" Trend "(Pontov)))

[xetai9977]

Quote: YAK-15

Yes, it is unlikely that Thais are going to fight at all. And tanks for prestige more. Well, if the price is lower. then, in general, everything goes very well.

Thais have graters with Cambodia. And Myanmar is not going smoothly.

[erik cartman]

Quote: cniza

Some kind of contradictory information, someone stirs up water - Chinese technology does not yet have a history of operation ... we'll see.

I agree. But the issue with the tanks is most likely the price. The Chinese have offered cheaper, and military use is unlikely to be expected. Thais curtsied in the direction of a strong neighbor.

[BABA SHURA]

In short, turntables for business, and tanks for quantity. And this is not the tank that has the best tracks?

[Tim]

At my previous job, we bought heavy Chinese caterpillar-wheel equipment loaders and tractors, a year later, floor packaging problems with this equipment started, the quality and assembly leave much to be desired, the engine life is small and not repairable, there are no spare parts for them. When they contacted Chinese suppliers we were told that the engines need to be replaced with new ones and they are not involved in repairs. Perhaps my personal comparisons are not correct.

[GEV67]

That's good that China is buying. Advanced models of military equipment do not need to be sold at all. Selling our good military equipment, we undermine our safety by revealing the secrets of our capabilities. We must look for other ways of income for the state. After all, Russia has only 2 allies: the Army and the Navy. So do not lose these allies ...

[Comrade Glebov]

To argue about which is better than the T-90 or MBT-3000 is an empty matter. The experience of using t-90 - with a gulkin's nose, mbt - not at all. If there are specialists on t-90 tanks on the site who will tell us about it in detail, then on the mbt I am sure not. And the fact that the PRC is closer and more convenient to service is a real factor influencing the choice. And I would not underestimate the capabilities of the PRC to improve and develop weapons - their products in the early 90s were full of it, and I still wear the Chinese "boots" bought in 2008, the same thing with electronics (the computer is entirely from Chinese spare parts for complaints has not caused for many years). Our priority is not to "catch up" with China or "the United States", not to prepare "otvetka", but to set the tone and pace for the production and development of weapons, which our Soviet and now Russian specialists have always been able to do.