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Carter spoke against resuming the production of F-22

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Pentagon chief Ashton Carter spoke out against resuming production of the F-22 fighter, reports Lenta.ru report, the message "National Defense Magazine".




“I am afraid that this (restarting production) will only divert funds from much more important defense programs. It will not be the most effective way to move forward. ”
said the minister.

According to him, today "you need to focus on the modernization of existing fighters."

“Our task is to improve the machines so that their electronic weapons will continue to meet the highest requirements. But production should not be resumed, ”the head of the Pentagon emphasized.

The magazine recalls that in April of this year, "members of the Committee on the Affairs of the Armed Forces of the House of Representatives of the US Congress issued a statement in which they stressed the need to resume the release of fighters of this type, stopped in the 2011 year after the transfer of the 187 machine to the Air Force.

As the newspaper notes, the F-22 into service with the US Air Force entered the 2005 g, it "is the first fifth-generation combat aircraft accepted into service, and is still the only (closest competitors: F-35 and the Russian PAK FA)."
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  1. 52
    52 17 May 2016 15: 00
    +2
    So let the Mustang resume right away, which is the Raptor.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 17 May 2016 15: 11
      +5
      Ashton Lockheed brought for Super Lightning 2 aka F-35. What is the modernization of the Raptor? This is a completed stage. to which the grandmothers are already mastered. Here in the F-35 still invest and invest! And on the campaign, another cut - a 6th generation fighter with a super-uber laser.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 17 May 2016 15: 18
        +3
        Pentagon chief Ashton Carter spoke out against resuming production of the F-22 fighter

        Saw, Ash, saw ... they are golden ... yes
      2. Altona
        Altona 17 May 2016 15: 45
        +1
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Ashton Lockheed brought for Super Lightning 2 aka F-35.

        ----------------------
        In the United States, the opinion of the military is not very interested. If there is a possibility of profit, then not the most successful weapon model will be imposed.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 17 May 2016 17: 53
          +2
          Approves the military budget of Congress. Even
          the military is asking for something, it’s not a fact that they will approve it.
          And if the military says: "no need" - no chance.
      3. clidon
        clidon 17 May 2016 20: 06
        +1
        Why write nonsense. Both F-22 and F-35 - both Lockheed - and the resumption of the program would bring the office much more money.
  2. Urgen
    Urgen 17 May 2016 15: 01
    +2
    No no no!
    Renew! After 10 years, you will need to resume the release of F15! lol
  3. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 17 May 2016 15: 03
    -1
    You see, they also have an adequate Minister of Defense now!
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 17 May 2016 19: 03
      +2
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      You see, they also have an adequate Minister of Defense now!
      Is he? Yes, he is an open bugger, and is proud of it. However, he is a non-traditional not only in orientation, but also in life. Or have you already recorded non-traditional in adequats?
  4. Romin
    Romin 17 May 2016 15: 11
    -9
    I can not help but rejoice at this news! Our fifth generation fighter has not even been adopted yet.
    The production rate of the SU-35x is negligible. Are they generally collected on their knees? Is such a construction rate the norm? And the norm for which state?
    But I am comparing the production of the F-35 and Su-35 and I just can’t understand how it turns out that they collect many times more on our board. Here you can delve into the official documents how many F and Su 35 have been released. I just don’t want to ... I’m afraid it will become unpleasant from the count and stop believing that the staff are on the way to the abyss, they are all bad, lose their positions and soon fall apart, then we will live !!! (oh! Something I argue like dill ..)

    But seriously, and you can imagine, they will re-open the line (it’s a good thing, they didn’t plunder), but they will start riveting ... Yes, and the allies ... no one will refuse the 22nd, there will be a turn!
    Here's how they manage to release at such a pace?
    Do we have different lines?
    Are the design and assembly systems different?
    Are people dumber? Or move and speak 10 times slower?
    Can you explain to me how this can be?
    1. _Alexei_
      _Alexei_ 17 May 2016 15: 22
      0
      rivet what shisha you know its price the line will be
    2. Bradypodidae
      Bradypodidae 17 May 2016 15: 38
      +6
      The French make their "Rafale" 12 pieces a year. They dream of reaching a pace of 18 units a year. Do they also do it on their knees?
    3. Odysseus
      Odysseus 17 May 2016 16: 18
      +9
      Quote: Romin
      Here's how they manage to release at such a pace?
      Do we have different lines?
      Are the design and assembly systems different?
      Are people dumber? Or move and speak 10 times slower?
      Can you explain to me how this can be?

      What is there to explain? You forgive the hell with a finger comparing. The USA is the hegemon of the modern capitalist world (globalism). They have huge accumulated capital, they use the resources of the whole world, they are the main money emission center, etc.
      The USSR, being a poor country compared to the USA, maintained parity in the military-industrial complex with the United States due to the amazing efficiency of the planned economy, but even in the case of the Soviet Union it concerned only the military-industrial complex. Now Russia itself is included in the cap system, how can it compete with the USA? More precisely, in order to compete with the United States, Russia needs to take its place in the capital system.
      PS By the way, given their resources, I would say that the Americans are extremely wasteful and inefficient.
      1. cap
        cap 17 May 2016 16: 31
        0
        Quote: Odyssey
        PS By the way, given their resources, I would say that the Americans are extremely wasteful and inefficient.


        "Papuans" all over the world believe the "green serpent", and as long as they believe they can afford to be wasteful.
        As soon as the hegemony of the dollar is over, the war will be unleashed and it doesn’t matter where, and no matter who and with whom.
        That something like this.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 17 May 2016 18: 35
          0
          Quote: cap
          Once the hegemony of the dollar is over

          That's right, the only question is how to finish it?
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 17 May 2016 17: 23
        0
        Quote: Odyssey
        What is there to explain? You forgive the hell with a finger comparing.

        The US economy is certainly large, but in 2014-2015 Russia built military aircraft at the level of the Americans.
        In addition, the US has a negative trade balance.
        PS By the way, given their resources, I would say that the Americans are extremely wasteful and inefficient.

        It turns out that way.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 17 May 2016 18: 33
          0
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          but for 2014-2015, Russia built military aircraft at the level of Americans.

          Well, 20 years before that they practically didn’t build it. It’s necessary to catch up. The Americans are now changing generations, but they have already riveted 35 F-180s alone. And they want to build more than 3000 in total!
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          In addition, the US has a negative trade balance

          So far, the dollar is the main means of payment, and the US emission center is not critical for them.
          Well, yes, the USA lives on credit, only who can take this debt from them ...
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 17 May 2016 19: 32
            +1
            Quote: Odyssey
            .Americans now have a change of generations, but only F-35s have already riveted 180 pieces. And they want to build more than 3000 in total

            So they have an old park, it's time to change, most of the 70s-80s.
            Quote: Odyssey
            So far, the dollar is the main means of payment, and the US emission center is not critical for them.

            It's not about money; balance is an insidious thing. The USA is gradually losing leadership in industries, for example: automobile manufacturing, shipbuilding and the trend continues, Asia-Pacific is catching up technologically and Americans can’t oppose anything but print a dollar, the attack on the commodity market has essentially failed, they have not squeezed out significantly with their shale oil-gas of the world energy leaders.
          2. coconut
            coconut 17 May 2016 23: 13
            -2
            What good are these penguins?
            One su -35 for releasing heels of such makes
    4. Homo
      Homo 17 May 2016 17: 14
      +2
      Quote: Romin
      But seriously, and you imagine, they will re-open the line (the benefit is not like ours, they did not plunder), but they will start riveting ...

      And about the canned, not stolen line you personally reported? And the warehouses are clogged with accessories for the F-22? It remains to press the button and tomorrow 100500 F-22 will be ready. belay
    5. Muvka
      Muvka 17 May 2016 17: 28
      +1
      Quote: Romin
      I can not help but rejoice at this news! Our fifth generation fighter has not even been adopted yet.
      The production rate of the SU-35x is negligible. Are they generally collected on their knees? Is such a construction rate the norm? And the norm for which state?
      But I am comparing the production of the F-35 and Su-35 and I just can’t understand how it turns out that they collect many times more on our board. Here you can delve into the official documents how many F and Su 35 have been released. I just don’t want to ... I’m afraid it will become unpleasant from the count and stop believing that the staff are on the way to the abyss, they are all bad, lose their positions and soon fall apart, then we will live !!! (oh! Something I argue like dill ..)

      But seriously, and you can imagine, they will re-open the line (it’s a good thing, they didn’t plunder), but they will start riveting ... Yes, and the allies ... no one will refuse the 22nd, there will be a turn!
      Here's how they manage to release at such a pace?
      Do we have different lines?
      Are the design and assembly systems different?
      Are people dumber? Or move and speak 10 times slower?
      Can you explain to me how this can be?

      But nothing that they also collect Su-30 and Su-34? But this is a trifle, right? Calculate the total number of aircraft produced.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 17 May 2016 18: 10
        +6
        There are data for 2014

        The Russian Air Force received in 2014:
        45 multi-functional fighters Su-35S and Su-30SM,
        18 front-line bombers Su-34,
        10 deck fighter MiG-29K / KUB,
        20 combat training aircraft Yak-130,
        4 passenger An-148,
        2 cargo and passenger An-140-100,
        1 Tu-240ON observation aircraft
        total: 100

        Another 24 were produced for export.
        1. VP
          VP 18 May 2016 12: 49
          +1
          Total produced 124
          USA together with export produced 100
    6. Seren
      Seren 17 May 2016 17: 56
      0
      We will be the first to line up for the F-22.
      1. Bradypodidae
        Bradypodidae 17 May 2016 18: 23
        +2
        It would be great. At the same time ask for more "Zumvolts" and so that it all goes as part of the Military Aid to Israel. (Such toys are needed only for free)
      2. Winnie76
        Winnie76 18 May 2016 14: 23
        0
        Quote: seren
        We will be the first to queue for F-22

        For free? Take a couple for me wink
    7. VP
      VP 18 May 2016 06: 14
      +1
      Quote: Romin
      Is such a construction rate the norm? And the norm for which state?

      No data is available for 2015, but in 2014, 124 military aircraft were built in Russia, and a hundred in the USA.
      In 2015, the trend most likely intensified, but I could not find data for the USA for that year, therefore I do not cite it.
      On the F-35, everything is generally wonderful - there is not a single aircraft that would be recognized as fully combat-ready and that would not require further modifications, i.e. in fact, now they are producing a semi-finished product of a combat aircraft that cannot take part in hostilities.
  5. Skubudu
    Skubudu 17 May 2016 15: 13
    +1
    So the next 15 years will not attack us.
  6. iliya87
    iliya87 17 May 2016 15: 19
    +3
    And the minister is fumbling! Now it has become fashionable to draw up petitions, it is necessary to draw up that he would be fired from his post and put Bush Jr.)) "We will carry out foreign policy with foreign hands", "Definitely, this is the budget. There are a lot of numbers here." "Our enemies have technology and resources. And so do we. They never stop thinking about harming our country and our people. And so do we." America needs such people! Only such presidents can and will stand at the head of an exceptional nation !!!)))
    1. Bradypodidae
      Bradypodidae 17 May 2016 16: 01
      0
      Was Reagan not enough for you? Do you want the "funny fool from Texas" + "feminine" Clintonchik to return? The world will not survive this.
  7. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 17 May 2016 16: 08
    +1
    In general, the partners do not know what to grasp and what to saw. From a variety of options, eyes run up and brains boil, from a variety of opportunities to steal. As my grandmother used to say: - "Eyes are envious, hands are raking, but there is nothing in the bottom. bully
  8. sinoptic
    sinoptic 17 May 2016 16: 10
    +1
    This Carter is likely to share in the kickbacks in the F-35 project. That's against it. :)
  9. Pitot
    Pitot 17 May 2016 16: 14
    +2
    They saw it there at home and they saw it. We would have to deal with our sawmills ....
  10. pavelty
    pavelty 17 May 2016 16: 16
    +2
    Okay, well, rivet your F-35s further
  11. Romin
    Romin 18 May 2016 00: 07
    +1
    Quote: Romin
    I can not help but rejoice at this news! Our fifth generation fighter has not even been adopted yet.
    The production rate of the SU-35x is negligible. Are they generally collected on their knees? Is such a construction rate the norm? And the norm for which state?
    But I am comparing the production of the F-35 and Su-35 and I just can’t understand how it turns out that they collect many times more on our board. Here you can delve into the official documents how many F and Su 35 have been released. I just don’t want to ... I’m afraid it will become unpleasant from the count and stop believing that the staff are on the way to the abyss, they are all bad, lose their positions and soon fall apart, then we will live !!! (oh! Something I argue like dill ..)

    But seriously, and you can imagine, they will re-open the line (it’s a good thing, they didn’t plunder), but they will start riveting ... Yes, and the allies ... no one will refuse the 22nd, there will be a turn!
    Here's how they manage to release at such a pace?
    Do we have different lines?
    Are the design and assembly systems different?
    Are people dumber? Or move and speak 10 times slower?
    Can you explain to me how this can be?


    The men ... Byad, oh byad ... Self-criticism, what is completely missing?
    You know the concept is good or bad, is formed from comparison.
    So to speak, well and quickly or slowly do we produce airplanes compared to whom?
    And the second reasonable question arises: Why?
    Well, the third: What to do about it and how?
    So, there are, as I know, two ways in the solution:
    1. Search for a solution
    2. Look for an excuse why you can’t decide.
    I’m talking about solutions and here is the slogan: We have more, less and better ur, for one five ... - this is demagogy! (The meaning of the word in the dictionary can be viewed) is not appropriate and harmful. Since it bury a problem-solution in the sand of absurdity and is detrimental to the country's defense.
    But blind patriotism causes false illusions, and these illusions, when faced with reality, can bitterly cost us.
    There is such a saying: do not blindly be charmed, so as not to be disappointed later.
    I don’t understand how it’s possible not to underestimate the enemy and not see the real state of things!
    If someone is pleased to convince themselves that everything is fine in the aircraft industry, convince themselves, but this is a dead end!
    Since any problem requires first of all the simplest recognition.
    This false patriotism reminds me of dill- ... we stopped the largest army in Europe ... We have cyborgs ... for one of our five they give ...
    Doesn't remind anything;)?