Russian Metris-M1 ATGM in Syria

The Syrian army began to receive Russian Metis before the start of the current conflict. In total, according to some sources, 200 launchers 9K115 Metis and 9K115-2 Metis-M1, and also 2000 missiles to them, were delivered, Messenger of Mordovia.

“Some of the complexes fell into the hands of the militants, using which the rebels in early March 2012 managed to destroy the very first plane of government troops. It happened at the Abu ad-Dukhur airbase. The rocket hit the MiG-23MS fighter standing outside the concrete shelters and inflicted heavy damage on it, ”the article says.

The fighters of the government army, who used the complex, noted its comparative compactness, ease of transportation and high armor penetration.

“Unfortunately, since 2004, this complex has been exported exclusively. And so, according to the corporate website of the Instrument Design Bureau, a decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of November 9 2015, as well as the Order of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation of 2 March 2016, Metis-M1 anti-tank missile system was finally adopted armament of the Russian army, "- said the agency.

According to the publication, the firing range of the Metis-M1 complex is from 80 m (minimum) to 2000 m, armor penetration behind dynamic protection is 950 mm, the control system is semi-automatic with transmission of commands via a wired communication line. "

Comments

[Wiruz]

The Bulletin of Mordovia never ceases to amaze? This is definitely not the "daughter" of GRU? Or who is doing it there?

[Nevsky_ZU]

What is going on with us in the field of ATGM development? The last highlight was the "Cornet" and its modifications in the XNUMXs ... But is something from the "fire and forget" series developing? There are projects, who is in the subject? Or, with the departure of a Pleiad of designers of the type of Gryazev / Shipunov, has this direction stalled?

[Wiruz]

What is going on with us in the field of ATGM development? The last highlight was the "Cornet" and its modifications in the XNUMXs ... But is something from the "fire and forget" series developing? There are projects, who is in the subject?

They walk on the network urya articles about a certain Hermes ATGM system, which will be installed on armored vehicles, helicopters, and even on surface ships (!), Are shorter everywhere. But so far, the matter is limited to articles only.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Wiruz

What is going on with us in the field of ATGM development? The last highlight was the "Cornet" and its modifications in the XNUMXs ... But is something from the "fire and forget" series developing? There are projects, who is in the subject?

They walk on the network urya articles about a certain Hermes ATGM system, which will be installed on armored vehicles, helicopters, and even on surface ships (!), Are shorter everywhere. But so far, the matter is limited to articles only.

Those. in fact, here we have a failure in the generation so it remains? I do not understand, such leadership in MANPADS, and such an imbalance in ATGW. Eh ...

[x.andvlad]

the firing range of the Metis-M1 complex is from 80 m (minimum) to 2000 m, the armor penetration behind the dynamic protection is 950 mm, the control system is semi-automatic with the transmission of commands via a wired communication line.
Yeah. Performance characteristics of the same "Fagot", 1970 development. Only higher armor penetration. As it is not very impressive.

[Denimax]

Quote: x.andvlad

Yeah. Performance characteristics of the same "Fagot", 1970 development. Only higher armor penetration. As it is not very impressive.

In Metis, the guidance principle may limit the firing range. She also needs to see the position of the rocket along the axis along the tracer. And the range of 2000 m is quite acceptable, they do not always shoot at the maximum. It is also lightweight and the rocket as the most consumed part is simple to primitiveness.

[Ardein]

In fact, if this is not shouted about at every corner, this does not mean at all that "everything has died out" there.
Take "Armata" or "T-50" for example. Before the official presentation to the public, even the appearance of both cars was not known. Not to mention the performance characteristics.

So, we are waiting for the official presentation;)

[Seren]

What's cooler, Metis or Cornet?

[corporal]

Quote: seren

What's cooler, Metis or Cornet?

And which is cooler, "Moskvich" or "Zaporozhets"?
Both are two yesterday.

[Wiruz]

Unfortunately, since 2004 this complex has been exclusively exported. And now, according to the corporate website of the Instrument-Making Design Bureau, by the order of the Government of the Russian Federation dated November 9, 2015, as well as by the Order of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation dated March 2, 2016, the Metis-M1 anti-tank missile system was finally adopted armament of the Russian army

And here it is not clear. We seem to have a cool Kornet ATGM system, which is quite supplied to the troops, and is also exported. Simple question: "Metis" is better than "Cornet", or not? If not, then why buy it? If so, then why have you come to your senses only now?

[Zaurbek]

The people, our ATGMs differ only in generations, but also in range. Metis M1 is a simplified and cheaper Cornet, with the same warhead, but with a simplified guidance system and is lighter in weight.

[max702]

"Metis" is much more compact than "Cornet", which allows one person to carry the complex, and, consequently, it is much cheaper .. A sort of long arm for destroying machine-gun nests, snipers, light armored vehicles .. Confused only by wire management .. But apparently the price tag is very divine here and put into service ..

[Zaurbek]

There is nothing wrong with wire management, a simpler system, cheaper and more noise immunity. to a range of 3km. And then a coil too big is needed

[LastLap]

Office by wire - any counteraction complexes bye, or in the eye give the operator.

[Portolan]

Quote: Wiruz

Simple question: "Metis" is better than "Cornet", or not

a mestizo is cheaper than a cornet, it is not fired and forgot, but fired and escorted further along the wires, a missile without a gyroscope, without a homing head, but with a good warhead.

[Red_Hamer]

And here it is not clear. We seem to have a cool Kornet ATGM system, which is quite supplied to the troops, and is also exported. Simple question: "Metis" is better than "Cornet", or not? If not, then why buy it? If so, then why have you come to your senses only now?

We are talking about "Metis-M1" (the latest modification), it is designed to destroy modern tanks equipped with reactive armor, lightly armored targets, fortifications (such as "bunker", "bunker"). In addition, it works against small-sized targets at any time of the day, and in difficult weather conditions. Tactical-technical and weight-dimensional can be found in the internet. For the Airborne Forces, special units, motorized rifle, etc. the very thing. Even Rogozin posed with him, I remember a photo on the internet. And in Syria, most likely they were testing, there are a lot of things, apparently, they were testing.

[Evil 55]

Only not "Metis" is needed in Syria, but "Mulatto" .. and best of all "Anti-Bearded Mulatto" ..

[Lanista]

What is the ridiculous situation with the ratio of export supplies to defense orders?
We export T-90MS (sometimes referred to as T-90СМ), but in our army these tanks are 0. Incidentally, he is currently the pinnacle of excellence for all tanks that were mass-produced (Armata is still in the pre-series, if that).
We export BMP-3 and BMP-3M for export in quantities exceeding 2000 units, in the Russian army there are less than 500 of such vehicles.
We export one of the versions of "Chrysanthemum", in the Russian army there are a little more than ten of them.
Now the ATGMs have the same topic, it turns out.
AU, state defense order!

As for the third-generation ATGMs, yes, we have nothing to boast of except the heavy Hermes. We do not have a light ATGM with a "fire-forget" system.

[marshes]

Quote: Lanista

... We do not have a light ATGM with a "fire-forget" system.

The news is of course interesting, yesterday the Professor about the new Spikes recalled that they didn’t put up an article on VO.
IMHO, at VO there are representatives of countries that can afford the acquisition of ATGM data.

[Forest]

why do we need to buy a T-90 if the T-14 will go for this or a slightly higher price? Only a place in production will be taken. Chrysanthemums are not produced at all, there is a guidance head, EMNIP, Kiev.

[dyksi]

And what, a country that owns space technologies and builds nuclear submarines, cannot reproduce these same guidance heads? If you look closely, this phenomenon is massive in defense orders, in the sky, on land and at sea. ARMATAM, in the first place, is unlikely to become the main battle tank in the near future, since it stands like a helicopter, while the T-72BZ remain the main ones. So why not buy the T-90 instead of the T-72? There is only one base, the industry has been established, look at least in Syria, how many T-72s were shot down and lost with crews with good combat experience and how many T-90s were shot down (far from the highest configuration, there are no lost among them and the PPO works perfectly), this despite the fact that the security of our T-72B3 is inferior to the Syrian T-72B1 (sort of). In the navy, at first we tried to build corvettes with frigate weapons (which we christened corvette-frigates), now we are building missile boats with the Fregat attachment, we are already getting a frigate boat (I hope that we will not go down to the Fregates motor boats ). Aviation promised the MiG-31 to upgrade two batches of 50 and 60 units, respectively, to BM, now only 50, the equipment of the rest is castrated, although such a durable and very necessary machine can be brought to the level of M. In the MiG-35, instead of FAR, AFAR shoved SHAR (which was considered cool in the 70s of the last century, although even on "Griffen" installed AFAR, respectively, this cannot but hit its combat capabilities, although they can still change the decision in favor of AFAR (there are such rumors). the same is happening with the purchase of infantry fighting vehicles, anti-tank systems, and with small arms too (where we have very good developments). The military-industrial complex is being privatized, respectively, the prices of military products are skyrocketing. I remember how the Minister of Defense swore at Uralvagonzavod about the prices for the T-90s, which they wanted to equip our tank forces with, resigned themselves, counted the money and they were only enough for this "miracle" of the T-72B3, moreover, that these are not new tanks, but the modernization of old ones. ... All enterprises in Russia lend to banks at high interest rates, VEB in this way managed to buy 67% of Sukhoi, which has never had any problems, and orders for decades in advance (and here on you, it has debts). Next in line are Rosvertol and RSK MiG.

[Snow323]

I think. they will not buy it, but the old t-90s will be modernized.

[Slon1978]

Doubtful reason for despondency. What is better to have in the unit - 1 unit of the Javelin type, which is also carried by 1 person, or about 10 units of Metis-M1? In terms of cost, it goes something like this. I think the answer is quite obvious. Well, it shouldn’t cost 1 ATGM 150 thousand dollars, it shouldn’t. Moreover, for the Metis-M1 there is a high-explosive fragmentation shot, which makes the complex a universal weapon.

[just exp]

We export T-90MS (sometimes referred to as T-90SM)
not a tank like the T-90MS. just doesn't exist. illiterate journalists came up with this duck. because the T-90 has 2 main versions - the T-90A, for myself and the T-90S, which is for export. they already have a subscriber and so on (type SA for Algeria or K commander who later became AK or SK). so here. the letter M is added to the upgraded version of the tank. was T-90A, after modernization became AM. was the T-90S, became after the modernization of the SM.

[Lanista]

not a tank like the T-90MS. just doesn't exist. illiterate journalists came up with this duck.

I honestly borrowed this picture here - http://www.uvz.ru/product/70/57
Well, tell us again about the "duck of illiterate journalists".

[just exp]

Do you think that all webdesigners are literate?
at least read the same pedagogical. even there is no MS.

[Lanista]

Colleague, did you follow the link?
This is a UVZ site, i.e. manufacturer. They definitely know better than journalists.

[just exp]

I know . only the site and some publications are not prepared by engineers.

[Snow323]

It’s a sin to complain about our GOZ.

[SVD]

And even easier anti-tank grenade - threw and scored ...

[creak]

Quote: SVD

And even easier anti-tank grenade, threw and ...

If you have time to throw ...
Although in the cinema this does not happen.

[just exp]

to break through the armor of a grenade it should have a weight of several kilos. how far can you throw at least 2 kg?

[weksha50]

"By order of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation of March 2, 2016, the Metis-M1 anti-tank missile system was finally adopted by the Russian army" ...

Well, that ... they tested and tested in a combat situation, they got positive results - now they are in our structures ... Everything is fine ... Except that, as always, the arms we supply often fall into the hands of not who need ... In Egypt, especially deplorable memory ...

[sinoptic]

20 years, exactly 20 years already !!!

3rd generation ATGM: fired - forgot - THIS SECRET is covered in some kind of unhealthy darkness.
Everyone talks about this in our country, abroad, but the Russian Ministry of Defense manages to circumvent this topic everywhere and always for 20 years (!!!).
Since in 1996. Javelin appeared.

Of course, I understand that their main rocket is TOW2 (2nd generation) and we have analogues.
But 20 years of deathly silence is something.
They would at least somehow indicate their position for the ATGM shot / forgot. So that people at least understand what's what.
Well, tell me bluntly and honestly: we, generals, the 2nd generation missiles Metis / Cornet / Baby are completely satisfied,
and the security of the attacking soldier is secondary in the war. Like a T-72 with ammunition inside, a tanker burned out and burned out, what is it, a war is dangerous.
I understand it sounds terribly bad, but at least honestly. At least they would say something.

Well, I don’t share the joys of delivering Metis-M1 to the army. Although modernized, it’s the technology of the 80s.
Watch a video from Donbas, where these complexes (probably not modernized) are shot and wires are often broken. After that, the rocket flies already as uncontrollable.

[LastLap]

He shot and forgot, then forgot to forget, but did he hit? Because there’s a tricky one with a screw. On a household topic: a simple Wi-Fi is clogged with a simple microwave in the kitchen. The most stable signal on the lace. Otsel conclusion: the eye is not a curve - Khan tank.

[Slon1978]

Quote: sinoptic

20 years, exactly 20 years already !!!
Watch a video from Donbas, where these complexes (probably not modernized) are shot and wires are often broken. After that, the rocket flies already as uncontrollable.

There they shot mainly bassoons, as ancient as m ... mammoths, who often did not leave the launch container at all ...

[Lanista]

I absolutely support the position of sinoptic.

Since in 1996. Javelin appeared.

I mean Javelin back in 1991. I read it in the Foreign Military Review, so even then (and this was still the USSR) ours were aware of the existence of such ATGMs. And we have not done ANYTHING in 25 years so that we have an analogue.

[11 black]

Quote: Lanista

I mean Javelin back in 1991. I read it in the Foreign Military Review, so even then (and this was still the USSR) ours were aware of the existence of such ATGMs. And we have not done ANYTHING in 25 years so that we have an analogue.

How are we going to shoot at a tank protected by a laser system - an analogue of "President-S", aka "Vitebsk". On Armata there is 100% such, although they do not talk about it. Perhaps, in the future, the enemy will also have this - how will we hit?
"I shot and forgot where I shot" - this is how this principle will sound. IMHO

[Appraiser]

Well done Tulyaks from KBP! the cost of manufacturing the "Metis-M1" product in terms of performance characteristics and tasks in capable hands will always pay off ....

[berezin1987]

When a complex of ATGMs of the 3 generation of a type shot-forgot has already appeared. Cornet is certainly good, but it requires holding the target until it hits. 2 generation systems must be in the second tier. Troops on the front line should be able to hit targets from behind cover without the risk of falling under enemy fire. The Cornet has a drawback in the form of a laser seeker, the enemy will easily detect the position of the ATGM operator. Javelin and Spy have an infrared seeker with memorization of the thermal signature of the target, work in a passive mode and have a direct shot mode to combat low-contrast targets

[yfast]

Quote: berezin1987

When the third generation anti-tank guided missile complex of the type appeared, I forgot. The cornet is certainly good, but requires holding the target before hitting.

We insert the smartphone into the mestizo, write software, throw out the excess. Military acceptance, of course, will not work, but it will cost a little. Thermal imaging matrix at least 128x128 in the same place.
There would be a desire.