The Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering will be “put into operation” to create missiles for new-generation nuclear submarines

The Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering (MIT) will be involved in the development of ballistic missiles for new submarines, reports RIA News the message of the general designer of the institute Yuri Solomonov.

“In a week or two, a very important meeting will be held on the introduction of the institute - on our initiative - in work on the further modernization and development of this area in relation to the new generation submarine cruiser”,

said the general designer.

Congratulating the staff of the institute on the 70 anniversary of the formation, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu noted that MIT "ensures the development of a fundamentally new purpose - the creation of mobile ground-based missile systems like Topol, Yars and others with unmatched tactical and technical characteristics among similar systems. "

Help Agency: “The Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering is the main developer of the Bulava ballistic missiles with which Borei-type submarines are armed. This is the only Russian enterprise developing strategic missile systems with solid-fuel intercontinental ballistic missiles of land and sea bases. ”

Comments

[oleg-gr]

Will MIT be entrusted with a new development? Will it be a modification of the Mace or something completely new? I would like more detail.

[dvina71]

Quote: oleg-gr

I would like more detail.

Wow .. you have a wish ... but for someone it's a deadline ..

[FenH]

Quote: oleg-gr

Will MIT be entrusted with a new development? Will it be a modification of the Mace or something completely new? I would like more detail.

It seems like a reinforced Mace:
The American CNN channel posted a story telling about the development in Russia of a promising strategic high-power missile.

According to the channel, the missile, which they call SS-30, is currently under development, which will be completed next year. This missile could be Moscow’s response to the deployment of missile defense systems in Eastern Europe, CNN said.

[Observer2014]

"The Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering will be" put into operation "to create rockets for a new generation of nuclear submarines"
Missiles will be made for the Husky. There will be universal nuclear submarines. Just a little. And there will be strategic and tactical missiles on board.

[mav1971]

Quote: Observer2014

Missiles will be made for the Husky. There will be universal nuclear submarines. Just a little. And there will be strategic and tactical missiles on board.

Did you come up with this yourself?
The whole world is on a narrow specialization in terms of future submarines.
Do you propose creating an analogue of F-35?

We don’t have enough money to finish so many jambs ...

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: FenH

According to the channel, the rocket they call SS-30,

Generally Mace is a whole family of missiles: Mace-30, Mace-47, Mace-M.

[Locksmith]

Quote: oleg-gr

Will MIT be entrusted with a new development? Will it be a modification of the Mace or something completely new?

If you think logically, the current generation of missiles can easily be fired without leaving the pier, but the boats are large, noticeable and noisy (relatively). If the task is to reduce the size of the missile carrier, to reduce its visibility, then the idea logically arises to create a small, but advanced in the sense of overcoming A missile defense missile with a reduced range, because the complex hidden in the ocean on a small ship is very difficult to find - our Varshavyanka-class boats are very difficult to find, to make a boat a little larger (of the Lira type) with a set of small-sized but "cool" strategic missiles with a range of 5500 km - this behind the eyes, if you hide without approaching the shore. I think the theme of the PC26 is something similar and meant, such a "tactical-strategic" super-missile

[In100gram]

Quote: oleg-gr

I would like more details

What are the details so far? There was also no meeting. OBS in this situation has more information. The new underwater complex will be done, the performers are determined, this is information.

[Motherland Russia]

Right. It is impossible to stand still with striped and starry "partners".

[Dmitry Potapov]

NATA! Lesbian you pa sku.dnaya! You definitely play! Rams, no one wants to hear Bismarck, no one!

[Yak-15]

They really do not want to hear, apparently they want to receive exactly the fruits of Bismarck’s warning. Well these are their problems. It can be seen that the vaccine from the war has ended and they want to get a new one.

[Yak-15]

They really do not want to hear, apparently they want to receive exactly the fruits of Bismarck’s warning. Well these are their problems. It can be seen that the vaccine from the war has ended and they want to get a new one.

[Polite Moose]

"The Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering will be" put into operation "to create rockets for a new generation of nuclear submarines."

It would be better to say: "The completed developments of the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering will be incorporated into rockets for a new generation of nuclear submarines."
Although, let them say whatever they like, if only they would be introduced faster and deeper.

[FenH]

God willing, then next year the development will be completed

[Yak-15]

How many pig squeals will be in the world now in connection with the growth of Russia's military power! My soul just sings when I see and hear mongrel throwing and yapping. And in the near future, if the pace of development of the Russian Armed Forces continues. this pack. will rush about like cockroaches in a hot frying pan and corpse stench will come from them.

[silverwolf88]

The good news ... The mace is not perfect, this is the best that happened ... and it’s too heavy for the submarine fleet ... the development of a new missile is simply necessary taking into account the experience already gained by MITT ...

[morprepud]

Locksmith (5): If you logically think, the current generation of missiles can easily shoot back without leaving the pier, but the boats are large, noticeable and noisy (relatively) ...

- In a word, UNDERWATER UNMANNED FLOATING (PBP)??

[Boa kaa]

work on further modernization and development of this area in relation to the new generation missile submarine cruiser "

All this is good, but do not forget that the R-29RMU2.1 "Liner" (a masterpiece of underwater rocketry - according to the Germans) was developed by the SRC im. Academician V.P. Makeev (earlier - SKB-385, Miass), chief designer - Yuri Andreevich Kaverin, leading designer - B.A. Smirnov.
In principle, the desire of the "Muskvats" to expand the caps on all seats is understandable. But also about Makeyevites, in my opinion, do not forget a trace!
But a symbiosis could give birth to a masterpiece to match Liner.
IMHO.

[Bramb]

You still specify the address!
Expert, it. ((((
You would have deleted the message if you hadn’t completely lost your brains.

Well, you don’t even need to recruit such clever men: you will betray, sell, give and give the homeland to you for nothing.
Well, you, a connoisseur of horseradish, did not indicate your name in a nickname with your home address?
It seems to me that you, frarook, are rotten ...

[Muvka]

Quote: Bramb

You still specify the address!
Expert, it. ((((
You would have deleted the message if you hadn’t completely lost your brains.

Well, you don’t even need to recruit such clever men: you will betray, sell, give and give the homeland to you for nothing.
Well, you, a connoisseur of horseradish, did not indicate your name in a nickname with your home address?
It seems to me that you, frarook, are rotten ...

In my opinion you are not healthy ...

[Bramb]

Are you a doctor?
Then argue. Well, if you can logically.
Or, as a supposedly healthy person, tell the world your data and information about those who work on military developments. I am sure that you do not know this. For a long time would have sat where there is no Internet. And that would be right. To explain. why, or guess for yourself?
You can minimize your minuses with a lump and shove yourself in one place. Can you explain your words or just learned to recklessly press buttons for a lifetime?)))

[mav1971]

Quote: Bramb

Are you a doctor?
Then argue. Well, if you can logically.

You are not just sick!
You are still an illiterate cub, regardless of biological age!
You are completely online illiterate!
A kind of "militant peacemaker" ...
When did you get internet access at home?
Should I probably learn how to use search engines?


If you are unable to understand that everything written is absolutely accessible information that is searched for by search engines "at once"

Here is the entire Makeev manual - in the palm of your hand
http://makeyev.ru/main/leaders

That's about caverina
http://www.miass.info/slovari/article.php?article=647 2003 год

And if I spent a couple of days on this topic - I would find a lot. And comparing the information to find really something secret.
True, 3-5 would have to shovel thousands of pages.

[In100gram]

Minus from me. No rudeness.

[Aristarch]

Thank you, at least one thought of Makeevtsy.

[In100gram]

I agreed with your opinion above.

[Andrey NM]

Alexander, you know what bothers me? We have an aerospace university. Young people go to the aircraft faculty last. Then they don’t go to KRASMASH, they want big money right away. They twitch, then they begin to settle down anywhere, if only there is work. They come to me ... I look at the questionnaire, from old memory I ask elementary questions about their education, what is the specific impulse of thrust, Laval nozzle, critical section ... Zero full. Where did the practice go? There and there ... Did you see the gas generator? And the steering wheels? I'm not even talking about the rest. Emptiness in the eyes. They are to me - we are going to work with you on petroleum products, not quite in the specialty. Well, what is the difference between a centrifugal pump and a vortex pump? Zero. Who do you want to work for me?
My wife’s sister graduated from this faculty. Works as a makeup artist now. Why six killed years and government money spent? To whom will the knowledge of our rocket school be transferred? And young people will not go to a meager salary of 15000. Moreover, having got to such enterprises, they become for a long time restricted to travel abroad. But for youth, such restrictions put pressure on the psyche. Moreover, the state does not give anything in return. But all such topics are long-playing programs. Some letters are bad ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Andrey NM

My wife’s sister graduated from this faculty. Works as a makeup artist now.

Andrey, all this is so. Such is today's reality ...
How to fix the case?
Maybe it's time to remember the Soviet experience !? When, for example, there were 3 technical schools working under Yuzhmash, and the Dnepropetrovsk Physics and Mathematics Department recruited children for rocketry? And there was enough space for everyone, and no one complained about the salary ...
And there will always be "make-up artists" until a system appears for those who studied on a budgetary basis: to work for 5 years in their specialty and where their mother-motherland sends, according to distribution. Then you can become a humorist, like M.N. Zadornov (graduated from Moscow Aviation Institute), but return the debt to the state!
Not democratic? Yes. But rightly so: free cheese only in a mousetrap! And this should be remembered by the fans of Halyava.IMHO.

[Andrey NM]

The fact of the matter is that earlier this university, technical school and vocational school (now college) were at KRASMASH, the university was called VTUZ, in the 2nd and 4th courses students were obliged to work at the plant in the first shift and study in the second, they even received a salary, and then the years of "democracy" came, the system was broken. In order for the system to work, the state needs to want to remember this experience, and today we see only that the state wants to get rid of the maximum burden of financing education, medicine, pensions, etc., while not reducing tax collection and fees for these purposes. There is always where to spend the collected.
And how many forced "make-up artists" are there among the officers? Where are the graduates of the late 80s, early 90s now?

[mav1971]

Quote: BoA KAA

How to fix the case?

In fact, everything is very simple.
If you read it carefully, everything will fall on the shelves.

1. The introduction of Higher Education is necessarily only paid for by all.
2. The fee for obtaining a HE is formed only by compulsory obtaining a state educational loan (3-5% per annum) through a specially designated state bank.
3. Obtaining a loan is approved for all graduates who score above the "certain bar" - 100%.
4. Graduates who go after graduation to work in state-financed enterprises (teachers, doctors from the state hospital and state clinic, ambulances, etc., engineers for defense enterprises in state property, etc.) - have state repayment of the loan based on 2 of the year of work for the year learning.
He left the budget hospital in a private one - you start paying the balance for the years already in cash.
5. Graduates going into private business begin to make payments one year after graduation, over the next 7-10 years.
6. I dropped out of school - you start to immediately pay back the loan during the training.

In general, must pay, or must work.

Using your own funds is prohibited. Regardless of family income. Only to the applicant - he must immediately be responsible for his future.
At the same time, we will remove from universities those who just want to sit on their necks for another 5 years.
The importance of higher education and its value will certainly grow.
All budget vacancies will be filled.

It is a fair system.
Smart child - gets, even very poor, because everything is based on the results of studies.
Rich dumb - misses. Regardless of the available dough.

With the cost of education in 100 thousand rubles per year, with 3-5% per annum - the payment will be very small. Enough for all private traders. And state employees do not pay.

[Bramb]

Well, you have the headlines! )))
I read it three times: it seemed, or what? And where was MIT before? Like, wasn’t he? )))
And they just wrote it like this: they will again be attracted to the new development.)))) And what's new?

[Aristarch]

And why the only one? They forgot the legendary Makeevtsy ... By the way, the mace was taken away and given to MIT.

[Verdun]

Quote: CERHJ

Well, yes, most likely .. MIT crushes everything for himself, which is not good.

In existing realities, there is always a risk that the management of an enterprise with top-level connections will fall under another enterprise that is less favorably perceived by the country's leadership. One has to assume that either high-ranking officials often do not have a clue as to in whose interests such mergers take place, or have their own interest in such games.

[Boa kaa]

Hi Rudolph! Glad to hear you again on the site.
A couple of words.

Quote from rudolf

The ship combat launch complex 3P-21 near the Mace, this is their brainchild.

That's just the MITs did not use this stand.

During the tests, it was decided to abandon the use of underwater stands for working off an underwater launch and use launches from a submarine for these purposes. This decision led to the fact that the rocket was never tested at extreme values ​​of disturbances.

All launches, starting with throwing ones and before the Mace was adopted for service, were carried out from ship carriers: Dm. Donskoy (pr 941U) and from the rkksn K-535 “Yuri Dolgoruky” (pr 955). At the same time, part of the responsibility for unsuccessful launches could be shifted to the sailors. What a couple of times they tried to do.
NonMIT members involved in the trials complained about this

According to Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov, the reasons for the failures are related to the fact that "insufficient attention is paid to ground processing of products." According to the chief designer of the submarines of Project 941 Shark, S. N. Kovalev, this is due to the lack of necessary stands.

So good wishes "to save budgetary funds" (excluding the stage of bench tests) turned into a series of unsuccessful launches.

[Verdun]

That's just the MITs did not use this stand.

To create a rocket with an underwater launch without using a sea test stand is more than a dubious decision. It seems that this is one of the important factors that influenced the unsuccessful launches and poor reliability of the Bulava. But, what can you do, it happens that even very talented people are off scale from the feeling of their own coolness.

[Andrey NM]

It seems to me that there is also Vladimir Popovkin put his hand.

[Resistance]

Quote from rudolf

Via Shoigu in the order

Rather, a great friend of MIT comrade Sergeyev (Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation) then gave them the topic. And now something. They would be engaged in what they are more or less able to do, and the GRC did its job.

[Andrey NM]

There’s some kind of curse, mysticism ... That Sergeyev quickly died, that Popovkin ...

[avg-mgn]

I agree with the opinion that eggs in one basket are not good. There must be a lively competition of ideas. Two, three approaches to solving one problem are better (though somewhat more expensive) than one non-alternative.

[Old26]

Quote: FenH

It seems like a reinforced BULAVA: CNN posted a story about the development of a promising strategic high-power missile in Russia. According to the channel, the missile, which they call the SS-30, is currently under development, which will be completed next year.

What CNN said has nothing to do with promising SLBMs. SLBMs are designated SS-N -.... SS-30 missile is "Sarmat". By the way, even the name is not entirely accurate. Until the missile is put into service, it is designated by their classification as SS-X-. That is, now their "SARMAT" is designated SS-X-30.

Quote: Observer2014

Missiles will be made for the Husky. There will be universal nuclear submarines. Just a little. And there will be strategic and tactical missiles on board.

Yeah, of course. "Husky" is a future replacement for "Ash". The winged ones have someone to do without MIT.

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: FenH

According to the channel, the rocket they call SS-30,

Generally Mace is a whole family of missiles: Mace-30, Mace-47, Mace-M.

In fact, other than Wikipedia, these names do not.

[Old26]

Quote: NEXUS

we don’t have much choice but to speed up both the RS-26 and the RS-28. By the way, there are rumors that we are also developing a heavy rocket RS-30 ... I don’t know if this is just a rumor or a leak.

I'm afraid these are rumors ... The heavy missile being developed in the open press has the RS-28 or Sarmat index. about the RS-30 - I hear it from you for the first time. And in general, I'm bastard about all these indices. I understand that to a certain extent this is information noise, which is specially reset. But sometimes the media themselves do this ...

By the way, there has always been the following (in terms of indices). Index RS is given only to the rocket, which, according to the agreement, was shown by us to our sworn friends. That is, the Yars-M ICBM, which we have already shown them, actually has an index PC-26previously attributed by our media to the complex "Frontier".
Now the truth is they say that this is the Yars modification index - Yars-M with different combat equipment. What will "Rubezh" have - HZ. But ascribing the RS-28 index to "Sarmat" is rubbish. There was not even a BI, not to mention a LI and a show. And the RS-30 - even more so.
True, information has now appeared that the development of another liquid rocket is beginning in Reutovo. No confirmation of this information yet.

[NEXUS]

Good evening, Vladimir.

Quote: Old26

I'm afraid these are rumors ... The heavy missile being developed in the open press has the RS-28 or Sarmat index. about the RS-30 - I hear it from you for the first time.

But I have repeatedly come across such an info. Although I think that everything is possible. Baikonur is somehow built past the mattress's eyes and ears.

Quote: Old26

True, information has now appeared that the development of another liquid rocket is beginning in Reutovo. No confirmation of this information yet.

Maybe this is "it is." But I do not see the reason. Why another ICBM of a heavy class? Maybe it's some other new fuel or speed characteristics ... in general, it's clear that nothing is clear.

[Old26]

Good evening, Andrey

Quote: NEXUS

But I have repeatedly come across such an info. Although I think that everything is possible. Baikonur is somehow built past the mattress's eyes and ears.

Unfortunately I did not meet this info. But even she, sorry, delusional, why - wrote above.

About Baikonur. Alas, Andrew, but this is the most common misconception. Until the time when U-24 was shot down near Sverdlovsk in 2 flights over the territory of the USSR, they photographed objects 23 times in the USSR 5 times. On August 1957, 12, the Americans first photographed Baikonur, though from a fairly long distance. August 22, repeated the flight. On August 28, the Semipalatinsk test site and Sary-Shagan were photographed, and on August 10 they conducted a detailed survey of Baikonur. In September (1th), Kapustin Yar was photographed. They shot Baikonur, Sary-Shagan and Semipalatinsk a couple of times. But shooting on May 1960, XNUMX, they no longer received the film ...

Quote: NEXUS

Maybe this is "it is." But I do not see the reason. Why another ICBM of a heavy class? Maybe it's some other new fuel or speed characteristics ... in general, it's clear that nothing is clear.

The new rocket is the first mention. What is it - I do not know. I can’t even say how reliable the information is. And the most important thing is that it is not clear why ... Where to place it ...
As for fuel and accelerating characteristics - this is fortunetelling on coffee grounds.

[Engineer]

So all the same, they recognized the Mace with a pin and decided to make a normal rocket at the level of American Trident-2. This makes me happy. But why again MIT? Do you want Mace 2? Give Makeyovets a good rocket to make!

[Old26]

Quote: Engineer

So all the same, they recognized the Mace with a pin and decided to make a normal rocket at the level of American Trident-2. This makes me happy. But why again MIT? Do you want Mace 2? Give Makeyovets a good rocket to make!

So far, nothing is clear at all. When will they do, for which boats, well, all the other questions are about the same order.
Makeevtsy of course "ate the dog" on sea rockets, but the whole question is what the terms of reference will be. It will almost certainly be stipulated that it will be a solid-propellant rocket, and, unfortunately, their experience with solid-propellant ones is limited to one serial and one that did not reach the series with huge launch weights ...