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Russian C-300 Iran will shut down missile plants

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Russian C-300 Iran will shut down missile plantsThe mobility of the C-300 anti-aircraft missile systems will be of great service to Iran, which seeks to shield its scientific and industrial facilities from possible attacks from Israel. So the experts appreciated the transfer of the air defense system received from Russia to the disposal of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps announced by the Iranian Defense Ministry.


The C-300 Russian anti-aircraft missile systems delivered to Tehran have been put into service at the “Khatam al-Anbiya” base - under this name, we will explain, Iran’s entire air defense system (representing one of the four arms of the Iranian army).

On the transition of C-300 to the disposal of "Khatam al-Anbiya", subordinate to the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC), Iranian Defense Minister Brigadier General Hussein Dehgan said on Tuesday.

Recall, on April 17, the Iranian authorities showed calculations of the C-300 anti-aircraft missile systems received in Russia at a military parade in Tehran on the occasion of the celebration of the National Army Day.

Russian supplies and own development

Russia and Iran signed a contract in 2007 for the supply of C-300 worth about 900 million dollars. However, with the adoption of the UN Security Council’s 9 June resolution on Iran, which imposed a ban on the transfer of modern weapons to it, the winding down of military-technical cooperation between Russia and Iran began. In April, 2010, the Russian president lifted the ban on the supply of C-2015 to Iran.

9 November 2015 of the year entered into force a contract to supply Iran with Russian C-300 air defense systems. Iran’s receipt of the first batch of C-300 under a contract with Russia on 11 on April was announced by the representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Islamic Republic, Hussain Jaber Ansari. According to him, the transfer of the next batch "will continue in the future."

Recall that at the conclusion of the contract in 2007, the talk was about the delivery of anti-aircraft missile systems in the modification C-300PMU-1 (SA-20 Gargoyle according to NATO classification). C-300PMU-1 can use 9М96Е1 and 9М96Х2 missiles with 1 – 40 km and 1 – 120 km missiles, respectively.

Iranian Defense Minister Hussein Dehgan said on Tuesday that the country will also soon begin producing its own version of the air defense system, an analogue of C-300, called “Bavar-373”. “This system will be able to capture, lead and hit several targets simultaneously, including ballistic and cruise missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles and combat aircraft. The production line will be launched this year, ”the Minister noted.

"Seal of the Prophets" and "Divine Light"

“Khatam al-Anbiya” (translated as “Seal of the Prophets”) was withdrawn from the Iranian Air Force in 2008 and turned into a separate branch of service at the direction of Iran’s supreme leader (rahbar) Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The IRGC is directly subordinate to the rakhbar as the supreme commander of Iran. The headquarters of Khatam al-Anbiya is located in Tehran.

In August, 2012 began construction of the largest air defense base near the city of Abad in the province of Fars in central Iran, a few hundred kilometers southeast of the capital. The territory is located in the Iranian Highlands, at an altitude of about 1800 m above sea level.

It is reported that the base air defense cost 300 million dollars will be designed for six thousand personnel, including employees of the military training center. The representative of Abad in the Majlis of Iran, Rahim Zare, then stated that "this air defense base will be the result of achievements in all fields of science around the world." It should be noted that the reports about the beginning of the construction of a base in Abad coincided with the first statements of the Iranian Ministry of Defense about the development of the above-mentioned Bavar-373 air defense system.

Khatam al-Anbiya includes in its structure a center for the development and testing of modern types of missile weapons and radar systems. So, judging by the report of the Air Defense Commander Brigadier General Farzad Ismaili, Iran’s C-200 air defense missiles that were in service with Iran were optimized. Thanks to optimization, the time required to launch a rocket after detecting an air target was significantly reduced. The upgraded C-200 complexes have already been tested during joint exercises of the Iranian army and the IRGC in the area of ​​the strategically important port of Bandar Abbas (in the Strait of Hormuz, connecting the Persian Gulf and the Indian Ocean).

Some of these developments - the Rassid-32 radar, as well as "new and advanced anti-aircraft missiles and artillery systems" - were tested in the 2014 year during maneuvers, codenamed "Misbah al-Hoda" ("Divine Light"). As reported by the state news agency Fars, the center of the exercises, “as close as possible to the combat conditions,” was the island of Kish, located in the Persian Gulf, where the air defense units are located, which have already received new equipment.

The development of air defense is becoming one of the directions for creating a military image of Iran. So, in October 2015, the official Tehran showed a video, which features a new underground base of rocket launchers, which, as the Iranian military said, is at a depth of 500 meters. Then, the commander of the Air Force and the military-space forces of the IRGC of Iran, Amir Ali Hadjizade, said that the demonstrated object is only one of the underground missile bases in the country.

Jericho and his opponent

10 March 2016 of the Year The Tehran Times issued a statement to the Hajizadeh, from which it followed that the SEC of the IRGC had missiles capable of hitting Israel.

We also note that on the eve of Reuters, citing a source in military circles in Tehran, reported another test by Iran of a ballistic missile with a range of up to 2 thousand km with a deviation from the target of no more than eight meters. Flight range allows you to reach any target in Israel, according to Reuters.

In May, the Israeli Defense Ministry's 2015 reported the successful testing of a ballistic missile as part of the development of the Jericho (Jericho) program. It was reported that the range of the intercontinental ballistic missile "Jericho-3" is up to 4 thousand km.

Said Gafurov, scientific director of the Institute of Applied Oriental Studies and African Studies, is confident that the deployment of C-300 complexes is aimed primarily at securing Iran’s scientific and industrial facilities from possible attacks by Israel. This will have a powerful psychological deterrent effect, the expert said in an interview with the newspaper VIEW.

“This is perfectly rational and purposeful. The main advantage of the C-300 complex, which has not yet been fully delivered, is that it is mobile. Those who want to fly and bomb some object in Iran, they will have to first suppress a set of Russian-made air defense systems. And this is not such an easy task, ”said Gafurov.

“We need a minimum of 36 aircraft”

As Konstantin Sivkov, the first vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, noted in his commentary on the VIEW of the newspaper, “in order to suppress C-300 division, you need to select at least 36 aircraft, if not more. Five divisions need 180 machines. At the same time, of course, there will be losses. ” The magnitude of such losses, he said, will depend on what forces and means will be used.
“If there is a complex use of electronic jamming, then the losses can be within 10%. If Iran is able to take effective measures to counter the EW, masking, etc., then the losses will exceed 20 – 30%. For NATO (in the event of a hypothetical attack by the alliance against Iran), this is already an unacceptable loss. "If these air defense systems are delivered in a system with others, say, with the Panthers, which will shoot down missiles aimed at C-300, then NATO losses will be very large," Sivkov suggests.

At the same time, as the former commander-in-chief of the Air Force, Hero of Russia General of the Army Peter Deinekin, in the words of US President Barack Obama that the US military can bypass the C-300 systems delivered by Russia to Iran, there is a big part of the truth. The US Air Force "has everything necessary to overcome both passive and active air defense systems," Deinekin notes.
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 12 May 2016 18: 49
    +7
    "Iran will cover missile factories with Russian S-300s"
    So let them butt with Israeli F35s. Today the news has already been discussed. Everything in the world should have a balance. If Iran 7 years ago had 300 and Israel did not have F35 in the near future. That would be an imbalance. Here and do not believe now in "miracles" and all sorts of worldwide conspiracies bully
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 12 May 2016 19: 11
      +2
      “If these air defense systems are installed in a system with other, say,“ Shells ”that will shoot down missiles aimed at the S-300, then NATO’s losses will be very large,” Sivkov suggests.

      A subtle hint ... Make friends with Russia mutually beneficial Iran and we will cover you completely!
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 12 May 2016 20: 02
        +2
        A subtle hint ... Make friends with Russia mutually beneficial Iran and we will cover you completely!


        This is how Iran always wanted to be friends. It was Russia that used him either as a horror story in negotiations, or as a whipping boy in case of successful agreements. By the way, the author mentions 20-30% of losses as unacceptable for the US Army, in Yugoslavia the loss of one AC side and the disablement of several became unacceptable losses, after which they stopped using Achi in view of "inefficiency." So let's face it, the loss of two Fe-35s would be a disaster for the entire Western Air Force. The whole strategy and philosophy of using such boards, precious for the economy, was the impunity of actions.
        1. R-22
          R-22 12 May 2016 22: 54
          +3
          Of course, Iran wanted and wants to be friends, but what is it that everyone wants to be friends with Russia, but for some reason, as long as it is beneficial for them, and at the first good moment, either a knife in the back of Russia or in the bushes if it smells fried. As they say such friends for x ... to the museum. Iran has nothing but naked progmatism, and we don’t have to drive about friendship, we swam ...
          1. Talgat
            Talgat 13 May 2016 19: 40
            0
            Well bye then. that this Russia, represented by Medvedev, has not fulfilled the agreement and disrupted C-300 supplies

            Of course I agree. Iran’s desire to be friends and be an ally of Russia and the entire CSTO is based on pragmatism. and not at all on some special thirst for the north, etc.

            But, sorry. this is the case in all countries. Any country acts in its own interests - and not in the interests of foreign states (with the exception of the period of perestroika and the hunchback with Yeltsin)

            Iran has a strategic enemy and threats - the US and the West with Israel - and especially the Saudi obscurantists
            Quite naturally. that Iran has been stubbornly making its way into allies not only for Russia for decades, but is also strengthening strategic cooperation even with us. And by the way, it has achieved success with us earlier. than with the Russian Federation.
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 12 May 2016 19: 11
      +9
      There, in the next topic about the F-35, guests from Israel write that now the Israeli Air Force pilots simply break their thinking, because they have been taught all their lives to break through air defense at an altitude of 50-60 meters, and now, thanks to stealth technology, they will fly to altitude of 5-6 km and calmly attack the target. Well friends, the flag is in your hands in Iran. laughing

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      Seren IL Today, 15: 06 ↑
      Our flyers are already training in Edwards on American 35's. And in December of this year, the first 2 cars will arrive to us. I read the impressions of our flyers from F-35. We have to rebuild thinking. On the 4 generation, they got used to breaking through the air defense system at an altitude of 50 meters. On the 35-x this is done at an altitude of 5-6 km due to stealth


      wassat fly please on C-300 on high 5-6 kmshow class !!! Hammer on the folds of the area, you have STELS!!! laughing

      As for me, with the folds of the terrain, stealth may have a chance, but in conjunction with EW and Avaks. But if C-300 will cover the Armor-C 1 or Thor-M2. There will be a fall of hawks laughing
      1. jjj
        jjj 12 May 2016 19: 30
        +5
        This is how the Jews were bred. Stealth is for the Papuans
        1. Michael67
          Michael67 12 May 2016 19: 41
          +1
          ".. will cover the missile factories ...".
          The main thing is to cover up the appetites of the "exceptional".
        2. Observer2014
          Observer2014 12 May 2016 20: 35
          +2
          jjj RU Today, 19: 30 ↑
          This is how the Jews were bred. Stealth is for the Papuans

          Whom have they divorced ?! Jews ?! laughing Yes, their country is kept by Americans and Germans. Weapons are bought by them. Or do you think that they just took and bought an empty piece of iron (in polyethylene) for two hundred million apiece? Probably cosmetics with minerals from the Dead Sea are traded like hot cakes laughing
        3. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 12 May 2016 23: 09
          +1
          "Stealth is for the Papuans" ////

          AND! Now I know for whom the latest T-50 stealth is being developed. laughing
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 13 May 2016 00: 01
            +5
            Quote: voyaka uh
            AND! Now I know for whom the latest T-50 stealth is being developed.

            ... and when was the T-50 suddenly positioned as a stealth wunderwafel ?! ... in my memory this was not ... with elements of inconspicuousness, but it was also how it is achieved ... there is another question already ... hi
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 12 May 2016 19: 42
        +4
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        their whole life they were taught to break through air defense at an altitude of 50-60 meters, and now, thanks to the stealth technology, they will fly at an altitude of 5-6 km and calmly attack the target.

        They will not. Israel, it seems to me, will first try to withdraw the S-300 systems using sabotage groups. Yes, yes, the systems are mobile, but they will be stationary objects. Most likely, moving along one or more routes. As there it (with the S-300) with patency? Knowing its capabilities, you can calculate the probable directions of movement. I am sure that at first it will be disabled not by aircraft and missiles. Knowing the carelessness of the Arabs and the ability of the Israelis to plan this kind of operation ... not to relax it is necessary. Jews are far from a fool.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 12 May 2016 23: 27
          +2
          I would be happy to make peace with Iran, the Persians are a very sensible people.
          But while there the ayatollahs-Islamists are a potential adversary ... alas.

          The main technical problem is Iran is far away. Need refueling in the air
          complex logistics. But if there are jump airfields, for example, in Saudi Arabia,
          then the gradual destruction of anti-aircraft defense is complex: UAVs, KR, barrage bombs and combat aircraft are just a matter of
          time. After all, Iran has virtually no modern aviation of its own. And without her any
          missile defense is doomed. SAMs + fighters are able to cover the country, only SAMs - no.
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 13 May 2016 13: 11
            0
            It’s strange - Israel didn’t fight the Persians, there is no common border, but it is considered the main enemy. He fought with Jordan and Egypt, but his best friends. Qatar and Turkey Hamas sponsor, but are not considered enemies. Saudis feed Alkaeda, but they are not considered opponents either - love in the gums is direct. Strange thing. request
            It seems to me that if Israel became friends with the Wahhabis of KSA, then, if they wanted, they could find a common language with the Ayatollahs. Maybe Israel’s leadership needs some clear enemy for domestic politics? Moreover, the enemy is far from its borders, but which can regularly frighten its population? IMHO. hi
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 13 May 2016 19: 46
              0
              Everything just explains the same

              Iran confronts the United States and the West as a whole - heading for Russia and China


              and when, for example, during the Shah, Iran was against the USSR and the West - then no one had any problems (in the sense of - we had then huge problems - they had to contain huge military resources against Iran - constantly air disturbances - provocations and t d)

              Until Iran surrenders - and becomes a pro-Western democratic state. which will open the United States to the Caspian, put its military bases against Russia, become an ally of the West - until then, Iran will try to break it - and sanctions will not go anywhere and pressure and even direct military aggression - as soon as Russia and China (if) are distracted)
      3. Asadullah
        Asadullah 12 May 2016 20: 05
        +2
        On the 35s, this is done at an altitude of 5-6 km due to stealth


        It would be good for them to add under what conditions this "stealth" is ensured. And at what "stealth" does not exist. True, this is VT. Such a VT for its own, whatever it would be, here.
      4. BARKAS
        BARKAS 12 May 2016 20: 12
        0
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        used to break through the air defense system at an altitude of 50 meters. On the 35s, this is done at an altitude of 5-6 km due to stealth

        About 5-6 km, they certainly got excited now they will fly 60 meters!
      5. NEXUS
        NEXUS 12 May 2016 22: 46
        +1
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        but in conjunction with EW and Avax. But if the S-300 will cover the Shell-C1 or Tor-M2.

        S-300/400 complexes, by definition, hide behind Shells, Beeches, Torahs, since the 300-ok and 400-ok have a blind zone (or dead, as you call it) -S-400 is capable of intercepting a target at a distance from 50 km up to 400 km. That is, in the event that an attack UAV or a missile is closer than 50 km from the complex, it will be defenseless. This is why short and medium-range air defense systems are created to cover the air defense and missile defense systems of the "long arm" on the near approaches.
        1. Parsec
          Parsec 13 May 2016 00: 39
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          -S-400 is capable of intercepting a target at a distance of 50 km to 400 km, that is, if an attack UAV or a missile is closer than 50 km from the complex, it will be defenseless


          The nearest border of the S-400 zone of destruction is 2 km for aerodynamic targets, 5 km for ballistic targets.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 13 May 2016 08: 39
            +1
            Quote: Parsec
            The nearest border of the S-400 zone of destruction is 2 km for aerodynamic targets, 5 km for ballistic targets.

            Yes, you're right. I wrote quickly. Of course, 5 km. Thank you for correcting me. hi
      6. sivuch
        sivuch 13 May 2016 22: 23
        +1
        You still need to take an interest in history. Already in 82 years, flights on criminally-small ones were practically not used. Instead of the PMV, electronic warfare and UAVs were used comprehensively as a real-time reconnaissance vehicle and as false targets, EW E-2C aircraft. Plus a very clear organization on the one hand and Arab gouging on the other, not to mention general technical superiority.
        In 1982, the S-300 could be a very serious adversary, worse than Cuba in 73. Now it’s just a means of complacency for the Persians
    3. Seren
      Seren 12 May 2016 20: 32
      +3
      Quote: Observer2014
      "Iran will cover missile factories with Russian S-300s"
      So let them butt with Israeli F35s. Today the news has already been discussed. Everything in the world should have a balance. If Iran 7 years ago had 300 and Israel did not have F35 in the near future. That would be an imbalance. Here and do not believe now in "miracles" and all sorts of worldwide conspiracies bully



      A technological solution to the issue of overcoming the S-300 has existed for a long time, within the framework of the current aircraft fleet. Among other things, these systems were tested in exercises with the Greek S-300. In which case, a lot of all kinds of equipment are involved in the suppression of air defense: electronic warfare aircraft, drones, and so on. The F-35 is being purchased on the assumption that in the near future our Iranian "friends" will have the S-400.
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 12 May 2016 21: 22
        +5
        Quote: seren
        A technological solution to the problem of overcoming the S-300 has existed for a long time, within the framework of the current fleet.

        ... ah, is there enough pebbles on the graves of pilots? ... something tells me ... you’ll be collecting all over Israel, there will not be so many pilots, how many pebbles will be needed ...
        Quote: seren
        In which case, a lot of all kinds of equipment is engaged in the suppression of air defense: EW aircraft, drones, and so on.

        ... you read this "nonsense" and wonder ... what are they fed there? ... well, that would be like this Israel ponad mustache ... laughing ... did not the "heroes of the promised land" forget about over-the-horizon radar for an hour? ... there are such ... "Sky-UE" for example, but at the disposal of Iran they are ... and there are also electronic warfare systems ... F-35 ... well, a wunderwaffe, a fact ... just let him learn to fly and use the weapons first ... again, everything is like Oleg Sokolov's (Professor) ... my boss has a blade from a MiG-23 turbine on his desk ... grind with your tongue, do not move pebbles ... hi
        1. Wiskar
          Wiskar 12 May 2016 22: 18
          0
          Quote: Inok10
          ... ah, is there enough pebbles on the graves of pilots? ... something tells me ... you’ll be collecting all over Israel, there will not be so many pilots, how many pebbles will be needed ...


          IAI HAROP, for example, is precisely designed to destroy the C300 and other air defense systems. So, dozens of IAI HAROP and other drones will most likely be launched initially, electronic warfare and much more will be used, and not just airplanes.


          IAI Harop Israeli reconnaissance and strike UAV (can also be launched from the air)
          A feature of this UAV is that when a target is detected, the device "turns" into a homing projectile. Able to patrol a given area for a long time and destroy ground targets.

          Long hovering (loitering) over the territory of the proposed deployment of the air defense system - the UAV "wakes up" only at the moment when the enemy's ground air defense system is deployed or is active. After its detection, the drone destroys the ground object.

          In addition, the UAV is equipped with optoelectronic detection means, communications with satellites and is capable of detecting moving and hidden air defense objects, as well as radars that are off.


          flight range of more than 1000 km
          speed 185 km / h
          Length: 2,5 m
          Wingspan: 3 m
          weight 135 kg
          flight time 6 h
          target detection means: radio-frequency, electron-optical


          1. Inok10
            Inok10 12 May 2016 22: 58
            +6
            Quote: Wiskar
            IAI HAROP, for example, is precisely designed to destroy the C300 and other air defense systems. So, dozens of IAI HAROP and other drones will most likely be launched initially, electronic warfare and much more will be used, and not just airplanes.

            ... it's not for nothing that I asked the question earlier ... what is the food in Israel, what do they write that ... Dear friend, the VO audience is all savvy and inquisitive ... that's why it is keenly interested in everything new, read and discussed this product like HAROP ... in general, from the category of fascist wunderwolf FAU-1/2 ... what dozens ?! ... you will need thousands of them! ... to inflict even the slightest damage to Iran's air defense and then, the big question is whether it will work out ... at the speed of this wunderfafli of 185 km / h ... for short-range air defense it's just - "come here, my soft bread" .. EW from where will you use it? ... from Saudi Arabia or the UAE? ... or is the border between Israel and Iran suddenly drawn? ... in general ... it is a pity that we did not manage to hear the head of the transport department (s) ... laughing
            1. Wiskar
              Wiskar 12 May 2016 23: 09
              0
              Quote: Inok10
              2 ... what dozens ?! ... you need thousands of them! ... that would cause even the slightest damage to Iran’s air defense


              Funny laughing
              I hope the Iranians are as naive fellow


              Quote: Inok10
              for short-range air defense it's simple - "come here, my soft bread"


              It is also designed for this. Everything will work together — while EW and drones do their job — open and distract and destroy air defense — airplanes will do their job.

              Quote: Inok10
              EW from where you will apply? .


              From special aircraft.
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 12 May 2016 23: 31
                +4
                Quote: Wiskar
                It is also designed for this. Everything will work together — while EW and drones do their job — open and distract and destroy air defense — airplanes will do their job.

                ... go, Mil friend, and prepare pebbles for the pilots' graves, for the entire Israeli Air Force military unit, your Falcons will quickly end, and the new ones are unlikely to grow as you will catch hundreds of medium-range missiles with your first fart toward Iran ... territory ... now some strange Israelite went ... oak-oak ... terribly reminiscent of the Maidan ... slogans, slogans and Israel ponad mustache ... there’s nothing to even talk about ... laughing
                1. Wiskar
                  Wiskar 13 May 2016 00: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Inok10
                  .. go Mil friend and collect pebbles on the graves of the pilots, for the entire l / s of the Israeli Air Force, your Falcons will quickly end, and the new ones are unlikely to grow after the first fart towards Iran ..


                  Oh how scary wassat
                  Try to scare children in the kindergarten, maybe you can do better laughing

                  Quote: Inok10
                  you will catch hundreds of medium-range missiles with your territory ... now some strange Israelite has gone ... oak-oak ..


                  Just oak oak someone else here fool , since he does not understand that Iran knows very well that in Israel there are a lot of missiles that will fly back to Iran in Tehran and other facilities, not to mention missiles from submarines and nuclear weapons.

                  Of course, I understand that you would probably rush to shoot at Israel like a madman, not understanding the simple thing that not only no less, but even more will fly back, but the Iranians are not kamikaze and not crazy bully
                  1. Inok10
                    Inok10 13 May 2016 00: 40
                    +6
                    Quote: Wiskar
                    Just someone else here is an oak by oak, just does not understand that Iran knows very well that in Israel there are a lot of missiles that will fly back to Iran in Tehran and other facilities, not to mention missiles from submarines and nuclear weapons.

                    ... it's about how Bald sprats threaten Russia ... laughing ... go down, Comma on the map ... read above Senior Companions, Warrior Wow for example ... there the Man thinks that he writes, in contrast to "your svidomizm", you can immediately see a fresh repatriate from / to the Ruins, by syllable ... at least earned on a las pass ?! ... laughing
                  2. Parsec
                    Parsec 13 May 2016 01: 17
                    +3
                    Patriotism always causes respect, but not in such manifestations.

                    Quote: Wiskar
                    Israel has a lot of missiles that will fly back to Iran in Tehran and other facilities, not to mention missiles from submarines and nuclear weapons.


                    And not a lot, and not very much.
                    The presence of nuclear weapons in Israel has not been confirmed, although the IAEA and SIPRI reckon Israel in the nuclear powers. There are suggestions that there may be from 80 to 200 nuclear warheads, and maybe not even one. With the missile weapon the same fog - either it shoots at 11 thousand kilometers, or at 4 thousand, or at one and a half; three missiles, or twelve, or maybe twenty.

                    Iran is a huge country that, unlike Israel, has the ability to disperse critical facilities. For the destruction of which aircraft need to be approached 100 km in the case of using the KR Gabriel or already 10-km free-falling bombs.

                    This will not be your yard war, to which Israel is adapted.

                    The Israeli armed forces have much to be proud of; but this foggy, high-tech hat-making is simply stupid.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 12 May 2016 23: 00
            +1
            Quote: Wiskar
            So dozens of IAI HAROP and other drones are likely to launch initially.

            On approaching, they will be happily met by Armor, Torah and Cuba. The S-300, as well as the S-400 complex, do not go alone without cover.
            Quote: Wiskar
            In addition, the UAV is equipped with optoelectronic detection means, communications with satellites and is capable of detecting moving and hidden air defense objects, as well as radars that are off.

            On the Shells and Bukahs with the Torahs also worked out the destruction of hidden air defense objects? I would like to see how the UAV will try to destroy the same Shell, which is just imprisoned for such purposes.
            1. Wiskar
              Wiskar 13 May 2016 00: 18
              -2
              Quote: NEXUS
              On approaching, they will be joyfully met by Armor, Torah and Cuba.


              Yes, they will. This is also taken into account. It is better to meet them + many clearly underestimate the electronic warfare systems against such systems than airplanes.
              The purpose of drones is to simulate attack aircraft, to distract enemy air defense, to reveal the location of air defense and its destruction (if possible of course).



              Quote: NEXUS
              On the Shells and Bukahs with the Torahs also worked out the destruction of hidden air defense objects? I would like to see how the UAV will try to destroy the same Shell, which is just imprisoned for such purposes.



              I suppose, just as it was done in 1982, only of course, taking into account the fact that the enemy is not at the borders and attack drones.
              Everything will work in conjunction, including electronic warfare.
              The shell is imprisoned for these purposes, but without taking into account modern electronic warfare and other factors.
              The same, for example, Hermes 900, which can fly a bunch of miles provides protection for drones using electronic warfare.

              If the Israelis learned to work against the C300, which is also suppressing in Greece (at least as they wrote), then there should be no problems with the Torah and others, I suppose.

              When the nuclear reactor in Syria was destroyed in 2007, there was no carapace there, but there were many other systems and, most importantly, radars that simply turned out to be useless. Then, as they say, the Israeli Air Force used to destroy the AGM-65 Maverick with a range of 28 km, while NO air defense in Syria at that time could not provide any resistance. Neither the plane took off in Syria, not a single air defense worked.
              Neither S-200 nor S-125 nor others.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 13 May 2016 08: 43
                +2
                Quote: Wiskar
                If the Israelis have learned to work against the C300,

                What will you do if Iran gets a S-350?
                Quote: Wiskar
                The shell is imprisoned for these purposes, but without taking into account modern electronic warfare and other factors.

                This is where such a conclusion comes from. Do you know the real TTX of the Shell-C1?
                Quote: Wiskar
                Then, as they say, The Israeli Air Force used to destroy the AGM-65 Maverick with a range of 28 km while NO air defense in Syria at that time could not provide any resistance.

                The main thing in your thesis I have highlighted. They also write on the fence ... but behind the fence there is firewood, and not what is written. hi
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 12 May 2016 21: 44
        +1
        Seren
        In the near future, our Iranian "friends" will have S-400.

        I want to argue with you. The C300, like any other Russian air defense system, can be different from each other. In the process of modernization. And if the C300, as many of my colleagues write, cover the latest modifications with the same "shells" and electronic warfare systems. Then you can sympathize with those who try to stick there from the air. And yet the weapon itself does not fight. People are fighting. And what Arabs are warriors they all know very well.
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 12 May 2016 22: 55
        +2
        Quote: seren
        A technological solution to the problem of overcoming the S-300 has existed for a long time, within the framework of the current fleet. Among other things, these systems were worked out on exercises with the Greek S-300.

        What are you, and against the S-300PMU2 "Favorite", which are likely to be delivered to Iran, and possibly the S-350 "Vityaz", have they worked out?
  2. pan.70
    pan.70 12 May 2016 19: 00
    -1
    Let the complexes train on foreign planes, and hostile countries are afraid and admire Russian weapons!
    1. Seren
      Seren 13 May 2016 04: 07
      -3
      We are afraid ... We admire ... We tremble !!!
      1. Talgat
        Talgat 13 May 2016 19: 50
        0
        But therefore, therefore, do not scam.

        If you feel impunity - be sure to fly to bomb. Like the Iraqi center. And we need it - when are friendly neighbors bombed?
  3. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 12 May 2016 19: 05
    +2
    The C300 is a weapon of defense, and why we didn’t deliver these complexes to Iran is not clear. More and more countries began to need our weapons most of all and it pleases.
  4. Yeraz
    Yeraz 12 May 2016 19: 10
    +3
    Quote: Alexander 3
    The main thing in our weapons began to need more and more countries and it pleases.

    On the contrary, it’s bad that many began to NEED weapons. This indicates the insecurity and the likelihood of a large number of wars, which is not good.
    1. raf
      raf 12 May 2016 21: 16
      0
      Quote: Yeraz
      Quote: Alexander 3
      The main thing in our weapons began to need more and more countries and it pleases.

      On the contrary, it’s bad that many began to NEED weapons. This indicates the insecurity and the likelihood of a large number of wars, which is not good.

      This is not something that is not good, it is very bad! And even sadly! The higher the level of tension, the higher the chance of a war, God forbid global!
  5. Rostislav
    Rostislav 12 May 2016 19: 15
    +1
    as the former Air Force commander, Hero of Russia, Army General Peter Deinekin believes, in the words of US President Barack Obama that US military will be able to bypass the S-300 system if necessarydelivered by Russia to Iran, there is a great deal of truth. The US Air Force "has everything necessary to overcome both passive and active air defense systems"

    Something is poorly believed in such a statement by the honored pilot.
    Who can tell when and where it was announced to them?
    1. jjj
      jjj 12 May 2016 19: 35
      +2
      The Americans have proven methods and techniques for overcoming air defense. After Yugoslavia, we even revised many things. But actually you can take a number. Iran still does not have enough missiles to bring down a couple of hundred aircraft and false targets.
      But I don’t remember that C-300 really fought with US aviation. So the results so far are from the forecast area
    2. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 12 May 2016 21: 08
      +1
      Quote: Rostislav
      Who can tell when and where it was announced to them?
      One phrase has come down to us, the idea is in the shortened version of our pilot, but he spoke quite specifically as a special and realist. Here is his words:
      “The US Air Force has everything it needs to overcome both passive and active air defense systems,” former Army Commander-in-Chief Air Force General of the Army Peter Deinekin told VZGLYAD newspaper. “Therefore, it is wrong to underestimate the combat capabilities of our partners in the fight against terrorism and drugs, as they are now called. They possess powerful aviation and other modern means of warfare. So in the words of President Obama a large share of the truth. "

      As for the scale of casualties of the attacking side, then, in the opinion of the general, everything depends on the surprise of the attack, on the specific territory, on the density of fire of the anti-aircraft missile systems over a single object. “The experience of world wars and local conflicts suggests that active air defense equipment causes damage to the attacker in 5%. This figure can be called a classic. When the Americans, together with the British, brutally bombed the civilian population of Germany during the Second World War, the loss of the attacker in the aircraft was 5%. There were raids when they lost up to a third of the airships, but these were isolated cases. So combat aviation has always been and remains cooler than any air defense, ”noted Deinekin.http://vz.ru/society/2015/4/22/741503.html
      I also think that the Iranian S-300 without modern fighter interceptors and a bunch of another is not 100%, which will not put everything into pieces.
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  7. Rostislav
    Rostislav 12 May 2016 20: 15
    +3
    Another piece of "hack" with a rotten smell.
    The statement of the former Air Force Commander-in-Chief, Hero of Russia, Army General Peter Deinekin, sounds like this:
    “The US Air Force has everything it needs to overcome both passive and active air defense systems,” former Army Commander-in-Chief Air Force General of the Army Peter Deinekin told VZGLYAD newspaper. “Therefore, it is wrong to underestimate the combat capabilities of our partners in the fight against terrorism and drugs, as they are now called. They possess powerful aviation and other modern means of warfare. So in the words of President Obama a large share of the truth. ".
    Any defense can be overcome. It's all about the "question price". This is exactly what the article says:
    “Experts have no doubts that American combat aircraft are capable, if necessary, of overcoming the air defense system based on the S-300, just as they do not doubt that the Americans will not be able to do this without losses. And the losses will be very sensitive.

    “To solve this problem, it will definitely require great forces and means,” Konstantin Sivkov, first vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, told the VIEW newspaper. - To suppress the C-300 division, you need to allocate a minimum of 36 aircraft, if not more. Five divisions need 180 machines. At the same time, of course, there will be losses. ”

    The scale of the losses, he said, will depend on what forces and means will be used. “If there is a complex use of electronic jamming, then the losses can be within 10%. If Iran is able to take effective measures to counter the EW, masking, etc., then the losses will exceed 20 – 30%, which is already unacceptable for NATO. If these air defense systems are installed in a system with others, say, with “Pantsiry”, which will shoot down missiles aimed at C-300, then NATO losses will be very large, ”he said.

    “In order to suppress these complexes, it is necessary to include an additional 150-200 aircraft in the strike group. And then they will only crush them, not destroy them. Suppression means that the S-300 systems will restore their combat readiness after a few hours and will again be ready to act. ”

    Do you feel different after these statements and after reading the opus "hacks"?

    Source http://pikabu.ru/profile/Rayden14?page=2
    1. Wiskar
      Wiskar 12 May 2016 21: 34
      +2
      Quote: Rostislav
      To suppress the S-300 division, you need to allocate at least 36 aircraft, if not more. Five divisions need 180 cars. In this case, of course, there will be losses. ”


      The drums and other drones that will be successfully used to suppress air defense, destroy the C300 and simulate targets are not taken into account.
      Not to mention the testing of the C300 and the new EW developments.
      It is enough to recall how sharply the performance of the S -... air defense systems decreased in the Arab war against Israel as soon as the electronic warfare systems appeared. Indicators plummeted.



      Operation Medvedka 19 is an operation to defeat a grouping of Syrian air defense forces deployed in Lebanon. Conducted by the Israel Defense Forces at the beginning of the Lebanon War from June 9 to 11, 1982.


      The group of Syrian forces in Lebanon included four air defense brigades equipped with the Soviet Kvadrat, S-75M Volga and S-125M Pechora air defense systems. On the night of 9 on 10 on June 1982, the 82 mixed anti-aircraft missile brigade and three anti-aircraft artillery regiments were additionally introduced into Lebanon. Now in Lebanon there were 24 Syrian anti-aircraft missile battalions deployed with a dense XNUM km long battle formation and 30 km in depth. According to Soviet military experts, such a dense concentration of missile and artillery air defense forces was not anywhere in the world.The main purpose of these forces was to cover the Syrian forces in the Lebanese valley of Bekaa, where at least 28 tanks were concentrated.


      G.P. Yashkin - chief military adviser to the Syrian armed forces, commander of a group of Soviet military specialists in Syria:

      All receivers of the Syrian complexes were suppressed by very high density interference in the entire frequency range. And in order to fight them, it was necessary to weaken their power at least 20-30 times. Unfortunately, the Syrians did not have such opportunities. We did not have them either. At that time, radio-electronic reconnaissance and interference equipment of the SAR Armed Forces could not provide any violation of command and control of the enemy’s troops, or even minimal protection of their aircraft, air defense systems and their other air defense forces and only for one reason - a limited frequency suppression range.

      In this war, the Israelis created a well-functioning and equipped with modern technology electronic warfare system. EW tools were installed even on tanks, ships, not to mention combat aircraft, and even more special ones, such as the Boeing 707, S-97 Hokai, Phantom (AF-4ji).

      The comprehensive and massive use of electronic warfare systems, missiles and guided bombs with optoelectronic and radar homing heads was a decisive condition for Israel's success in suppressing the Syrian air defense group in Lebanon and gaining air supremacy. Experience has shown that without a modern automated control system, stable noise immunity of radar and communication means, and the creation of the necessary radar field for aircraft, it is impossible to control modern aviation and air defense systems





      Quote: Rostislav
      . If these air defense systems are installed in a system with other, say, “Shells” that will shoot down missiles aimed at the S-300, then NATO’s losses will be very large, ”he said.



      Most likely, NATO will not be worn out like this, but will be destroyed not only from the air and not only by airplanes. Iran will not even have time to understand what happened if NATO really wants to crush and destroy the S-300 with everything else.
      1. ultra
        ultra 12 May 2016 23: 47
        +1
        Quote: Wiskar
        if NATO really wants to crush and destroy the S-300

        Is this from a science fiction novel quote? laughing The United States, Israel, and your Saudi friends are likely. But the European members of NATO will not climb to butt with Iran!
        1. Wiskar
          Wiskar 13 May 2016 00: 31
          -1
          Quote: ultra
          The United States, Israel, and your Saudi friends are likely. But the European members of NATO will not climb to butt with Iran!


          The Saudis are our friends except against Iran and its satellites such as Hezbollah terrorists. And so ... angry
          NATO is always always the United States wassat
          The rest will also come from NATO like clockwork, at least the main countries.
          Do not forget the main force of NATO and its commander is the United States. If they do not marry the United States, the United States will threaten to abandon the defense No.
  8. OlegLex
    OlegLex 12 May 2016 20: 29
    +2
    I read the article and remembered how the former chief of the Strategic Missile Forces General Staff told about it, Colonel General Yesin Viktor Ivanovich.
    After his dismissal, he continued to work in the apparatus of the Security Council and once came to the Americans as part of a delegation.

    So he says: “I’m traveling in San Francisco with the Americans on the bus. Everyone is talking, laughing. And here we drive past the lighthouse. I looked at him and said:
    “I know this lighthouse.”
    Americans - to him: “How can you know him if this is your first time in San Francisco?”
    And he replies: “You forgot that I was engaged in nuclear planning. And the lighthouse - it was the aiming point. I will tell you more: next to this lighthouse is the collapse of the earth's crust. So, if a multi-megaton block gets here, then a landslide will happen.
    And half of California will be in the ocean.

    After all, they silently drove to their destination "

    That's something like this, Now in Israel they are silent.
  9. Seren
    Seren 12 May 2016 20: 53
    +2
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    There, in the next topic about the F-35, guests from Israel write that now the Israeli Air Force pilots simply break their thinking, because they have been taught all their lives to break through air defense at an altitude of 50-60 meters, and now, thanks to stealth technology, they will fly to altitude of 5-6 km and calmly attack the target. Well friends, the flag is in your hands in Iran. laughing

    Responsible for the market:
    Seren IL Today, 15: 06 ↑
    Our flyers are already training in Edwards on American 35's. And in December of this year, the first 2 cars will arrive to us. I read the impressions of our flyers from F-35. We have to rebuild thinking. On the 4 generation, they got used to breaking through the air defense system at an altitude of 50 meters. On the 35-x this is done at an altitude of 5-6 km due to stealth


    wassat fly please on C-300 on high 5-6 kmshow class !!! Hammer on the folds of the area, you have STELS!!! laughing

    As for me, with the folds of the terrain, stealth may have a chance, but in conjunction with EW and Avaks. But if C-300 will cover the Armor-C 1 or Thor-M2. There will be a fall of hawks laughing



    Thor covered a Syrian nuclear reactor in 2007. During the operation to destroy it, the Torahs stopped working and started working a few hours after the operation. Here is such a coincidence ...
    1. Operator
      Operator 12 May 2016 21: 18
      -1
      Thor alone is not at all like Thor in conjunction with C-300.
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 12 May 2016 22: 24
      0
      Quote: seren
      Thor covered up a Syrian nuclear reactor in 2007

      Wow .. the reactors are now in military connections .. the Persians are harnessing .. the Harnesses. Taki Thor is a military air defense.
      Could it be about Beech?
      In general .. there is nothing worse in military affairs than bloated self-awareness.
      1. Seren
        Seren 12 May 2016 23: 09
        +1
        The beeches "distinguished themselves" in the 82nd year. And in 2007 the Torah "distinguished itself". After this operation, Syria was flooded with Russian techies trying to figure out what had happened.
        1. Skubudu
          Skubudu 12 May 2016 23: 38
          0
          Not as "distinguished" as the burned Merkavas in Lebanon 2006 ... wink
          1. Seren
            Seren 13 May 2016 00: 04
            0
            In Lebanon in 2006, 5 Merkav was irretrievably lost. Compare with the losses of other armies in similar situations.
        2. dvina71
          dvina71 13 May 2016 00: 12
          0
          Quote: seren
          After this operation, Syria was awash with Russian techies trying to figure out what had happened.


          Directly flooded? Where did the firewood come from?
          Well, the second one ... Thor, by virtue of its TTX, is not intended to protect stationary objects. It also has rockets because its element is a battlefield, short reaction time, all kinds of interference. But the height and range of the missiles is not so great.
          In addition .. in the sighting complex of the Torah there is an optical channel. That is, if the target hit the monitor picture, then it hit. And no electronic warfare will help her.
          So that you confuse something and use data from dubious sources. There is nothing reprehensible in this .., but pathos is less than pozhalst.
          1. Seren
            Seren 13 May 2016 00: 29
            +1
            The target could not get into the monitor picture. The operation was carried out at night, and the aircraft, you know, in such situations does not include side lights))))
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 13 May 2016 01: 45
              0
              Quote: seren
              The target could not get into the monitor picture.

              Well, finally .. The sun has set .. the war is over ... Do you even understand what you're talking about?
        3. Parsec
          Parsec 13 May 2016 01: 28
          +1
          Fairy tales.

          Beeches came to Syria in 2009, there are no Torahs even now.

          Stop lying excitedly.
      2. tilix
        tilix 12 May 2016 23: 35
        +2
        there is nothing worse in military affairs than bloated self-conceit
        You are right, of course, here we have couches with foam on the lips that prove that C-300 is yes in conjunction
        joyfully welcome Armor, Torah and Cuba. C-300, as well as the complex C-400
        ugly you them. People wait, hope, and you to them
        bloated conceit
        . Yes, they will be happy for one shot down (as in Yugoslavia). It’s not good.
        1. ultra
          ultra 12 May 2016 23: 51
          +1
          Quote: tilix
          . Yes, they will be happy for one shot down (as in Yugoslavia).

          Jews will be killed by arrogance and the fact that they consider themselves "the smartest". laughing
          1. tilix
            tilix 13 May 2016 00: 03
            +1
            Gee laughing >, Another specialist on Jews, there is one specialist on Jews who is an amateur to look into the rectum, another with occupation of sidelocks to Jews to cut off, and what is your hobby?
            1. ultra
              ultra 13 May 2016 10: 23
              0
              It was not I who spoke about the "smartest" ones, but your compatriot Yakov Kedmi. wink
            2. ultra
              ultra 13 May 2016 10: 25
              0
              Quote: tilix
              , Another Jew Specialist,

              In comparison with what kind of "Russian specialists" live in Israel, I am just learning. laughingAnd about the "smartest" it was not I who said, but your compatriot Yakov Kedmi. wink
        2. dvina71
          dvina71 13 May 2016 00: 21
          +1
          Quote: tilix
          You are right, of course, here we have couches with foam on the lips that prove that C-300 is yes in conjunction

          Out of touch. If I were you, I wouldn’t be so optimistic about the S-300 in Iran. Of course .. you can crack any air defense. The issue of price.
          The presence of the S-300 in the system raises this price for the attacker very much. I would not have hoped that you would have eaten the Greek S-300 and now sit ... with a bird of luck in your pocket. Firstly - it was a long time ago. Iran received another S-300, even on a different element base.
          Besides .., you don’t know what the Persians bought with us from this complex ..
          For example, it could be a satellite TV package ... Well, there are several channels .. on one Saudi airfield .. on the other yours .. and everything is online and everything is around the clock ..
          1. tilix
            tilix 13 May 2016 00: 33
            +2
            I'm not talking about
            look optimistic
            I'm about
            bloated conceit
            . And the rest you are right, and that
            any air defense can be hacked
            and most importantly
            Price issue
            which we will pay if necessary.
    3. Parsec
      Parsec 13 May 2016 01: 26
      +1
      Quote: seren
      Thor covered a Syrian nuclear reactor in 2007. During the operation to destroy it, the Torahs stopped working and started working a few hours after the operation. Here is such a coincidence ...


      Syria did not have a torus then, as it does not now.

      Where do you get these tales from?
  10. 31rus2
    31rus2 12 May 2016 22: 49
    +2
    Dear, India will buy S-400, Iran S-300 and all cheers victory, this is a serious mistake, only a complex of air defense, electronic warfare, air defense systems, early warning systems, ongoing training, training, will really protect both heaven and earth, the system itself it won’t make the weather, even if it partially strengthens the air defense, it’s naive to think that the United States, which use the S-300 to train their pilots, have not yet found weaknesses, of course you can later upgrade it by earning more money, but again all the secret will become apparent
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 May 2016 07: 23
    0
    Well, as far as I understand, the ground air defense system uses an integrated approach. "Eski" protect the object and themselves at distant approaches, "Armor" protect "Eski" and themselves at medium distances, well, at close ones, which is there specifically on the ground. In short, at least a three-stage system excluding aviation.
  12. demos1111
    demos1111 13 May 2016 10: 32
    0
    Everything is somehow stupid. Put yourself in the place of Iran, how would you act. Clearly, Isrpil with the allies easily overwhelmed Iran, albeit with losses, they have a lot of planes, they will take meat in satellite countries, this is not expensive.
    The question is the consequences, the warhead of any Iran’s ballistic missile can easily pull 1000-1500 kg of payload, but how to equip it with strontium or plutonium with a half-life of .. eleven hundred years, and sprinkle clothed land on them, for example, large settlements. Where they will be evicted. They’ll think 300 times before attacking. And it’s interesting, the countries through which these missiles fly over the chosen people, decide to shoot them down, or allow them to shoot down over their territory.
    And the capabilities of the C300 are enough to cover the sky during the launch of Iranian missiles.