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Will plans for the Northern Sea Route go beyond the limits of the paper sheet?

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The Ministry of Development of the Far East reported that less than two months remain before the creation of a full-fledged model for the development of the Northern Sea Route (NSR). Such a model will find its final form at the end of June of the current year and will be aimed at enhancing the use of NSR by various companies (including foreign ones) to increase freight traffic along this route. At the same time, today's statistics of the Northern Sea Route in terms of transit of goods from the EU countries to Southeast Asia and vice versa leaves much to be desired. If in 2013, the volume of transit freight traffic on the considered route exceeded 1,1 million tons, then already in 2014 this figure fell by more than 4 times. Today, it barely falls short of 0,3 million tons.


The main problem of the Northern Sea Route today is associated with short periods of navigation. Cargoes without risk for ships to be blocked in the Arctic ice can be transported via the NSR at best 3-3,5 months per year, while navigation, for example, through the Suez Canal is year-round.

It would seem that all the statements of the representatives of the Russian government that the development of the Northern Sea Route can lead to the emergence of at least some tangible competition for the southern transit direction (through the said Suez Canal) are ridiculous. “Suez” transit today is such that more dry cargo ships and tankers pass through the canal every day than through the NSR for the entire year. Transit through the Suez Canal is up to 9% of the entire maritime trade of the world, in contrast to the same SMP, which accounts for tens or even hundreds of times less statistical error. However, the error is inaccuracy, the Suez Canal is the Suez Canal, and the development of the NSR is a large-scale project that can give a huge impetus to the development of the entire transport infrastructure of Russia itself, as well as the development of the Russian Arctic.

Will plans for the Northern Sea Route go beyond the limits of the paper sheet?


Despite the unintelligible freight volumes through the Northern Sea Route, this transport direction has a considerable number of obvious advantages: firstly, it is the length of the route, which is almost twice as short as the southern route - “Suezky” - and this is a decrease in the time of cargo transportation (often over 20 days only in one direction), saving on fuel, reducing the cost of maintaining the crew and freight of the vessel at the time of the transport passage, etc.), secondly, the absence of any risk associated with the attack of pirates. While passing along the southern route, merchant ships may become targets for pirates on at least two sections of the route - in the Strait of Malacca and when traveling in the Arabian Sea, this problem for world trade is completely absent from the SMP. Moreover, during the passage through the Northern Sea Route there are no those impressive queues of vessels that are observed in the Suez Canal area.

There are a lot of advantages, but it’s still one thing to announce the presence of such advantages, and quite another thing is to achieve the attractiveness of the Northern Sea Route for business use at a high level. Business is conservative, and therefore, in order to offer an alternative in the form of an SMP, the Russian government will not only have to declaratively draw up a program to develop the Northern Sea Route, but also really engage in such development.
The basis for this development is the expansion of the capabilities of the NSR through an increase in the navigation period. This can be achieved today through the construction of new icebreaking units. fleet countries. And there are quite definite successes. According to the level of development of the icebreaker fleet, Russia is one of the main leaders.

The other day, the Minister of Industry and Trade of Russia Denis Manturov reported on the implementation of the program for the construction of three new Russian icebreakers with a capacity of 60 MW each. Construction of these vessels is in the shipyards of St. Petersburg and the Leningrad region. In particular, the Baltic plant participates in the construction.

The largest icebreaker in the world was laid at this shipbuilding enterprise. We are talking about the icebreaker "Arctic" (lead ship) project 22220 (LK-60YA). This is an atomic icebreaker with a displacement of 33,5 thousand tons, which has two nuclear reactors. The planned reloading of fuel on icebreakers of such a project would have to be carried out approximately 1 once every 7 years, which gives additional savings when using such vessels to increase the duration of navigation along the Northern Sea Route.

The readiness of the 22220 head icebreaker for today is approaching 40%.



The Ministry of Industry and Trade notes that icebreaking technologies are actively being developed by Finland today. This country together with the Russian Federation is considered the leading builder of ships of the icebreaking fleet.

The main defense department of the country also expresses its interest in the development of the Northern Sea Route and its infrastructure. Considering that recently the Ministry of Defense unambiguously makes it clear that the Arctic is a zone of Russian interests, and the ministry’s interest in the NSR is understandable.

TASS quotes Denis Manturov, telling about plans for the development of the Northern Sea Route:
We presume that the program of the Ministry of Transport and the Ministry of Defense will provide for the conduct of commercial ships on the Northern Sea Route. This will provide additional economic incentives in general and for operators who will carry cargo. This is naturally beneficial by shortening the sea route.


The plans of the Russian government are really ambitious - to bring the turnover through the NSR to 65 million tons by the 2020 year (Soviet 80-s figures were about 7,5 million tons per year). This task can only be accomplished if, by that time, the composition of the icebreaking fleet will be expanded by the arrival of new vessels, and the idea of ​​significant savings and 100% security of the northern route will be conveyed to business representatives. Access to such an impressive value of the volume of freight traffic through the NSR is also possible because navigation routes along major rivers that flow into the Arctic Ocean can fully connect to the Northern Sea Route. After all, Russia has units of an icebreaking fleet and a river-sea class in its arsenal.

Therefore, if the development program of the SMP by the end of June 2016 will indeed be created, the main thing here is not to focus on the paper version. Indeed, as practice often shows, if in our country it’s not to take up the matter with a systematic approach and control, then any ambitious and promising project can remain at the stage of reasoning and go into the format of those buried in the ground (in this case, rather, in permafrost) of Napoleon’s plans.
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  1. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 11 May 2016 06: 27
    +12
    It's all a snag in politics. They will not carry ship companies. They will not carry the ship companies. I think it’s not reasonable to count on the Chinese. 90% of the traffic there will remain ours, internal ones. Hence the conclusion is to develop the Arctic, and not rely on an "uncle" who is lucky or unlucky loads ..
    1. CHILD
      CHILD 11 May 2016 07: 27
      +5
      ... We need the NSR first of all ourselves ... the ice is leaving ... and as we go further, more))) ... foreigners will climb anyway ... they know very well the logistics ... control is important, otherwise no choice)))
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 11 May 2016 09: 31
        +3
        Quote: KIND
        ... First of all, we need the NSR ourselves .... the ice is leaving ... and as we go further, more)))

        Ice, this is an issue on the NSR is one of the most important, but under those weather and swimming conditions are needed (and here in various articles all this has already been discussed!):
        1. Icebreakers, and not one, two.
        2. Developed coastal infrastructure - ports in which it would be possible to service large-capacity vessels. And these are berths with powerful cranes, warehouses, fuel and lubricant warehouses and more.
        Given the conditions of the Far North, everything newly built should be heated, and this is not the mainland!
        So stable stable power generators are needed.
        And besides technical support, it is necessary to create normal living conditions for people.
        And taking into account the use of the NSR by other states, in order to receive currency, it is necessary to create acceptable conditions for sailors of foreign ships.
        And this is all money and quite considerable.
        Well, somewhere like that, personal thoughts on the Northern problem ...
        1. In100gram
          In100gram 11 May 2016 09: 59
          +2
          Quote: Starover_Z
          So stable stable power generators are needed.

          Floating nuclear power plants do this. Everything is done for this project, and everything will turn out
        2. max702
          max702 11 May 2016 12: 04
          +1
          Quote: Starover_Z
          And this is all money and quite considerable.

          There is money 96bn in green papers this is confirmed .. Another question is whether the agents of influence of the bourgeoisie will allow them to invest in something worthwhile .. And this is the main problem! It is a manifestation of political WILL, and not the amount of money, until we solve this problem for something REALLY useful (and not the Olympics and the World Cup that bring one-time investments in the economy with the subsequent problematic exploitation of the done) there will not be money allocated, since this is not very profitable world bosses ..
      2. Roman 11
        Roman 11 11 May 2016 11: 46
        +3
        Quote: KIND
        there is no other choice)))

        I consider the alternative to IS - a high-speed transport railway line with a train speed of up to 300-350 km / h. It will pass north of Baikal (BAM) ..... 1. The speed of movement is less 2. The possibility of pushing it to Asia (China, Japan, South Korea) and thereby use Russia as a transport (transit) bridge between Europe and Asia and perspective with the Americas, thereby significantly reducing maritime trade between the continents (trillions of dollars) and having made a transport revolution.
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 11 May 2016 08: 23
      +7
      Notice that in the discussion of OUR problems and issues of building and restoring comments, which means less interest than in articles about a drunken Ukrainian soldier and injuring two Baltic states .. It leads to a sad thought whether we are degrading and becoming like Russophobes, or our own interests ceased to worry ..
      1. cap
        cap 11 May 2016 09: 30
        0
        Quote: dmi.pris
        Notice that in the discussion of OUR problems and issues of building and restoring comments, which means less interest than in articles about a drunken Ukrainian soldier and injuring two Baltic states .. It leads to a sad thought whether we are degrading and becoming like Russophobes, or our own interests ceased to worry ..


        Unfortunately, our problems must not be solved on the site.
        And to even more, there is someone to solve them.
        I read, there is no desire to discuss.
        My regards hi
    3. The Little Humpbacked Horse
      The Little Humpbacked Horse 11 May 2016 09: 37
      +4
      Quote: dmi.pris
      This is all a snag in politics. Landlockers-ship companies will not carry


      Yes, and the United States here. The main cargo shipments from China are huge container ships. These container ships are built for 7-10 years of trouble-free operation, that is, the thickness of the hull steel is at a minimum, plus the bottom is painted with a special sliding paint for speed. Well, what's the point of driving them through the ice, in order to ditch the hull and the throttle group due to a few days gain in time, subsequently the repair will fall into a lot of money, and they know how to count money in the West, and will not invest in a dubious adventure
    4. In100gram
      In100gram 11 May 2016 09: 52
      +1
      Quote: dmi.pris
      Count on the Chinese, I think not a reason

      It will be profitable-lucky. First of all, we need the NSR ourselves for the development of territories.
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 11 May 2016 10: 54
        +1
        Quote: In100gram
        Quote: dmi.pris
        Count on the Chinese, I think not a reason

        It will be profitable-lucky. First of all, we need the NSR ourselves for the development of territories.


        So let's think together what to develop there?

        1. Winter is 11 months of the year.
        2. Tundra and permafrost.
        3. No conditions for a normal life.
        4. Only minerals - which in 95% of cases are unprofitable to develop.
        5. There is no agriculture.

        Even if there are a hundred atomic icebreakers - can you imagine what the costs will be for the cost of goods and passenger transportation?
        And so that people would go there, they need good money to pay for labor.
        Good money - only at low cost and high surplus value.
        And this will not happen because "ruble ferry". and not just "ruble", but "steward".

        The simplest example from the sphere that everyone will understand.
        Here they give you 2 fields per 5 hectare.
        But on one you can use whatever you want (equipment, fertilizers, watering, etc.)
        and in the second field - only a hoe and nature. And that’s all. No tractor, no fertilizer. Dig a hoe, clean with your hands, take out the crop with your hands only.
        Nothing but a handmade hoe.
        And in a year, anyone will understand that the first field will give 100Ts with GA, and the second 1Ts with 5 GA. With enormous labor and time costs. And you will kill health and you will not receive a crop.
        And absolutely everyone will throw the second. With and without slogans.
        For it makes no sense.
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        2. siberalt
          siberalt 11 May 2016 15: 07
          +1
          Is there anything that the first tomatoes come to us in Altai from Abakan, when we have our own seedlings still green on the windowsills? What kind of agriculture is there? Are there few fish or seals? Deer graze along the banks. They will conduct gas and there will be greenhouse complexes even for pineapples. Or in Siberia has all the gas sold out a hundred years in advance?
        3. In100gram
          In100gram 11 May 2016 15: 40
          +1
          And do not do agriculture in the north. And it’s not worth planting fields there. There are a lot of oil and other minerals there. I agree that the profitability of production can not be compared with Arabia, but this is a limited resource, not renewable. Like Norilsk Nickel. For the time being, this may not be profitable, as shale oil is dying now (more precisely, it is being killed). The time will come, everything will be in demand. And if there is infrastructure (NSR), life on the southern coast of the Arctic Ocean, and adjacent seas, will only be better. Nature does not tolerate emptiness. If not us, then another. hi
        4. ism_ek
          ism_ek 11 May 2016 15: 49
          0
          Quote: mav1971
          4. Only minerals - which in 95% of cases are unprofitable to develop.

          Profitable, but investment is needed. Great investment. The tsarist government spent on the construction of Transib an amount equal to the entire budget of the country. The result is a doubling of GDP over 10 years.
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 11 May 2016 16: 30
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            Quote: ism_ek
            Quote: mav1971
            4. Only minerals - which in 95% of cases are unprofitable to develop.

            Profitable, but investment is needed. Great investment. The tsarist government spent on the construction of Transib an amount equal to the entire budget of the country. The result is a doubling of GDP over 10 years.


            Do not replace the concept.
            The construction of the transib took a couple of decades during the years of the technical revolution.
            An attempt to pull up to the global trend is a local sign, as fundamental - a sign of fraud.
            1. ism_ek
              ism_ek 11 May 2016 17: 24
              0
              Quote: mav1971
              An attempt to pull up to the global trend is a local sign, as fundamental - a sign of fraud.

              From 1905 to 1913, Russia grew significantly faster than the whole world.
              GDP per capita in Russia as% of the USA, 1885-2006
        5. lelikas
          lelikas 11 May 2016 18: 44
          +1
          Quote: mav1971
          1. Winter is 11 months of the year.
          2. Tundra and permafrost.
          3. No conditions for a normal life.
          4. Only minerals - which in 95% of cases are unprofitable to develop.
          5. There is no agriculture.

          1 - it did not bother anyone, and not 11 but 9.
          2- didn’t bother anyone
          3 - in due time, there was everything and now, arranging is not a problem at all.
          4- here it lies, the need for NSR - because all that was being developed was ships, and that is gold, tin, uranium.
          5 - no, again, all products are imported, but the cost of shipping by sea and air is several times different.
        6. kondrat13
          kondrat13 12 May 2016 00: 42
          0
          With such logic, Norilsk should not be developed - and now they are mining the floor of the periodic table there.
      2. ism_ek
        ism_ek 11 May 2016 15: 43
        0
        Quote: In100gram
        It will be profitable-lucky. First of all, we need the NSR ourselves for the development of territories.

        We have an atomic lighter carrier (container ship) the Northern Sea Route. More than 10 years is not operational. No orders.
    5. g1v2
      g1v2 11 May 2016 11: 33
      +3
      Southeast Asia has already concentrated up to 50 percent of world production. The other largest outbreak is the EU. The Shanghai-Rotherdam route is one of the most popular. Most of the strong countries rose with the help of maritime trade. So if at least part of the Shanghai-Rotherdam trade route goes through our waters, this will be a powerful impetus for the development of our north. It is also a good idea to let Japan trade with the EU through itself. In the end, Russia rose on trade - the way from the Varangians to the Greeks. good
      I will explain to the layman that this does not mean that the official will cut the red ribbon and thousands of ships will break along the Northern Sea Route at once. It will not be so, and you can prepare in advance for the next lamentation that the next government plan is not working. The Northern Sea Route - for decades and the flow of goods along it will grow as infrastructure develops and our northern coast develops. Now the main thing is to give a good impetus and increase the attractiveness of this path in the eyes of carriers. Well, then - a business of commercial gain.
      There are no pirates and warring regions - this means higher security and you can save on insurance and protection because insurance risks are less. The path is shorter here - it means it is faster and cheaper. There are no bottlenecks like the Suez Canal, which means less downtime. There are many pluses and the task is to present them favorably. And then new cities will appear in our norths, and most importantly, money and infrastructure. hi
      1. fivanec
        fivanec 11 May 2016 12: 32
        0
        I support the comment, very reasonable and far-sighted!
      2. mav1971
        mav1971 11 May 2016 13: 23
        0
        Quote: g1v2

        There are no pirates and warring regions - this means higher security and you can save on insurance and protection because insurance risks are less. The path is shorter here - it means it is faster and cheaper. There are no bottlenecks like the Suez Canal, which means less downtime. There are many pluses and the task is to present them favorably. And then new cities will appear in our norths, and most importantly, money and infrastructure. hi


        Look at
        Just answer yourself on the 2 question:
        1. What to do with huge ice fields and eternal frosts (in winter almost completely covering the water area of ​​the Arctic Ocean)?
        2. How much does an atomic icebreaker in itself cost and how much does its operation cost per year?

        Could it be easier to build a second Trans-Siberian Railway?
        1. With twin (Russian and European) gauge ...
        2. With normal transit scheduling and sorting ... (and no matter how it is now - every 300 km is a junction station where all trains are re-formed)
        High-speed, so that the average speed is at least 100 km \ hour.
        3. Then, indeed, all containers to Europe will go through us.
        And it will cost the same as both "forces of Siberia" - and it will yield much more income.
        No matter what and where the goods will be sent and how the production base will change.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 11 May 2016 13: 54
          0
          It does not interfere. The capacity of any railway is limited, but the sea route is not. Plus there are bulk cargoes that you won’t be able to transport especially. But of course perishable goods are better transported by rail. Well, do not forget that the same Japan is an island and the train cannot be brought to it until it works out. Not every cargo is profitable to transship in the port of Vladik or Nakhodka and drive by train. But this, of course, does not cancel the development of the country's railway system.
          The climate is changing and the zones of perennial ice off the coast of the Russian Federation are decreasing. That is, the Northern Sea Route becomes more passable. Icebreakers are being built. Diesel engines are already under construction; 2 nuclear plants are under construction now. Plus, a draft of the icebreaker is being developed. As for the cost - well, if you don’t buy a car, then you don’t need to feed it with gas, but for some reason do people buy it? The development of the regions of the Russian Federation is a costly business, but necessary. How to put this business on a commercial footing is the task of the leadership of the country and specific regions. The North also needs to be developed, and resources there too. Well, we are now building Sabetta, as part of a single Yamal-LNG project for which more than $ 12 billion has already been spent, and this is approximately the country's annual income from arms exports. Oil and gas projects will pay for the development of the region.
          In general, if by the way, young intellectuals and old seniors do not understand this, but now oil and gas companies of the Russian Federation such as Gazprom and Rosneft are the locomotives of the country's development. They develop infrastructure in remote regions and develop territories where before only teddy bears shit. They distribute oil and gas money to metallurgists, builders, shipbuilders, machine builders, etc. They bring civilization and infrastructure to the forgotten corners of our country, as it does not sound pathetic. And they also pay for the Northern Sea Route in many ways, hoping to recoup it all by supplying liquefied gas from Sabetta along this Northern Sea Route. hi
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 11 May 2016 14: 11
            0
            All that you wrote was in the Union.
            And everything came to "Shift workers".
            Nobody needs a "constant" there.
            Why Oil and Gas - because the "exhaust" is immediately enormous. "
            But - by the standards of urban life - it’s not very long.
            12 billion on gas will pay off quickly - and then what to do with this city?


            What will the super icebreaker give? Nothing. It’s the same as hanging a heavy-duty engine on one truck out of a thousand and believing that the whole thousand will now go much faster and with more load. Will not go!

            Japan is a consumer country. Already. Have you seen a lot of gas turbine engines with Japan? I have not seen for years 15 probably.
            But if ours does transshipment of containers within 24 hours from the moment of receipt - and this is technically feasible now on modern terminals - they will come running as cute if they understand that the delivery time through Russia to any point in Europe is 8-12 days. Including all transshipments.
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 11 May 2016 15: 18
              +1
              Somehow everything is mixed and haphazard. Recent years in the Union there has been, to put it mildly, hand-in, which should have been kept at hand for one kilometer. PM compare with the late union is not worth it. Well, the socialist system and the capitalist system is strange to compare. The systems are different, the goals and objectives are different, the means, respectively, too. request What to do with the city? Profit further by creating jobs and infrastructure. Plus, they build a road from the Urals to deliver the products of Ural enterprises to the sea. Shipping has many advantages - many countries have risen to them. request
              Is Japan a consumer country? Partly and artificially, but after all, the consumed must also be kept, including from the EU. It doesn’t matter whether there will be goods from Japan to the EU or to Japan from the EU - it is important that through us. wink Ships need periodic stops. If there is a convenient port along the way where you can replenish supplies or relax - why not? To go to the same tavern or what souvenir to buy? All this is the development of the region’s economy. Clear. that it is not necessary to compare this with the economy of Moscow, but this is a step forward and for the north it is not bad. hi
              1. mav1971
                mav1971 11 May 2016 16: 24
                -1
                Quote: g1v2
                Somehow everything is mixed and haphazard. Recent years in the Union there has been, to put it mildly, hand-in, which should have been kept at hand for one kilometer. PM compare with the late union is not worth it. Well, the socialist system and the capitalist system is strange to compare. The systems are different, the goals and objectives are different, the means, respectively, too. request What to do with the city? Profit further by creating jobs and infrastructure. Plus, they build a road from the Urals to deliver the products of Ural enterprises to the sea. Shipping has many advantages - many countries have risen to them. request
                Is Japan a consumer country? Partly and artificially, but after all, the consumed must also be kept, including from the EU. It doesn’t matter whether there will be goods from Japan to the EU or to Japan from the EU - it is important that through us. wink Ships need periodic stops. If there is a convenient port along the way where you can replenish supplies or relax - why not? To go to the same tavern or what souvenir to buy? All this is the development of the region’s economy. Clear. that it is not necessary to compare this with the economy of Moscow, but this is a step forward and for the north it is not bad. hi


                Again.
                What do you think will be possible to produce in the north, so that people can get a very high salary (otherwise no one will go there)?

                What will you do with the ice?
                just don’t need to say that they have melted - look for the latest ship posting reports.

                Once you find application in the hands of tens of thousands of people - let's continue to develop the topic.
    6. max702
      max702 11 May 2016 13: 21
      0
      The basis for this development is the expansion of the capabilities of the NSR through an increase in the navigation period. This can be achieved today through the construction of new units of the country's icebreaking fleet.
      Type of icebreakers is not enough? Here's the link http://oleg-ivanov.livejournal.com/265914.html to the report from the icebreakers database, and based on the information there provided just with this, there are no problems! In reserve at least THREE an icebreaker of the "Arctic" class .. The whole problem is in the expediency of their use, namely, the lack of orders for escorting ships along the NSR ... So the matter is most likely with the lack of infrastructure, both port and purely domestic ..
  2. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 11 May 2016 06: 36
    +9
    I serve in the North and I can argue that any development or revival of specific settlements or entire areas begins after the military arrived there.
  3. inkass_98
    inkass_98 11 May 2016 06: 58
    +6
    Be that as it may, the Arctic needs to be developed. And even if there are no large flows of transit cargo, then our cities and towns must be provided without interruption. There will be a transport artery - there will be new settlements, there will be sense in the development of new deposits. As they say, "Vita est via" - and the translation is correct in both senses.
  4. Idiot
    Idiot 11 May 2016 07: 55
    +3
    The NSR should work primarily for the geopolitical interests of the Russian Federation, and if commercial interests appear, then it will also be good. But, in my opinion, business is not even secondary here ... By developing the Russian north, investing in the infrastructure of the NSR, we are doomed to make it attractive for business as well. But most importantly, by launching the NSR, the Russian Federation encroached on the holy of holies of the Anglo-Saxons - the monopoly of the global sea carrier. Why would they need such an omnipotent fleet, if the Russians, WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION AND UNPUNISHED, are pulling on themselves part of the blanket? What will the vassals think? As Chekhov bequeathed to us "to squeeze out of himself a slave drop by drop", it is necessary every day, even "drop by drop", even one or two ships, but stretch along the NSR. There are many drops - a trickle, and there it is scary to think into what might result.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 11 May 2016 09: 22
      +2
      That's just our economic block will never go for it. It makes no sense to expect serious infrastructure projects from those who live only hopes for the return of abnormally high oil prices.
    2. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 11 May 2016 12: 39
      +1
      Quote: pft, fkb
      The NSR should work primarily on the geopolitical interests of the Russian Federation, and if commercial interests appear, then it is also good.

      All the interests of the ruling elite are only in the development of mineral deposits, everything else is of little interest to them, from here and draw conclusions to be NSR, or not.
  5. bocsman
    bocsman 11 May 2016 07: 56
    +1
    Russia should be an absolutely self-sufficient country and it can be quite so! And "Sevmorput" is one of the components of this. And this was perfectly understood by our ancestors from time immemorial, exploring and developing these lands and waters. And in my opinion it should be about restoration and reconstruction, after all, there was the "Sevmorput"!
  6. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 11 May 2016 08: 13
    +1
    I read about all new economic projects and ... I never cease to be surprised. And the Northern Sea Route and the Northern Railway were conceived and implemented by Comrade. Stalin. How far-sighted one person can be, singling out from the heap of fantastic projects lying on the table, the very ones that should give an impetus to the economy.
  7. mayhem
    mayhem 11 May 2016 08: 15
    +2
    A chic idea, the main thing is to bring it to the end, then launch a large-scale propaganda campaign all over the world a couple of times and people will take it a little and swim save themselves real
  8. 31rus2
    31rus2 11 May 2016 09: 11
    +1
    Dear, always and everywhere the main criterion is safety and benefit, now Russia is already creating a powerful infrastructure both in the Arctic and on the northern continent, all this makes it possible for serious projects, we need to go further, that is, to coordinate transportation along the North Sea Route from q transportation, while navigating by sea, the rest is by train, the main thing is to create a service: insurance, clear schedule, seasonal discounts, etc.
  9. Dionis2019
    Dionis2019 11 May 2016 09: 13
    +2
    if the thoughts on creating a NSR are materially implemented, then the dividends from this for Russia will be above the wildest expectations and, in essence, this will give impetus to the creation of a powerful infrastructure that will cover all regions. This is where the real development of Siberia and the Far East will begin.
    But you don’t need to be afraid of some .... th sanctioners, here you just need to take and do, no matter what!
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 11 May 2016 09: 32
      +1
      Quote: Dionis2019
      But to be afraid of some .... th sanctioners are not worth it

      Only true sanctioners are our government. Sanctions were not imposed because of the Crimea and not because of an allegedly independent foreign policy, and were imposed not against Russia as a country. It’s just that our ruling class terrified even the West with its boundless impunity, greed and arrogance. And therefore, sanctions were imposed against the most odious figures. These figures, not wanting to behave at least somehow in the framework of decency, uttered nonsense about the terrifying impact of sanctions on the economy - and put a hand in the pocket of the working people. They simply switched the source of personal enrichment from financial tricks (to which the West is no longer trying to tempt these gentlemen) to hard workers.
      1. Dionis2019
        Dionis2019 11 May 2016 09: 38
        0
        it would be great to learn about some specific examples ...
      2. Dionis2019
        Dionis2019 11 May 2016 09: 42
        0
        in general, this phrase of mine is, as an answer to one of the comments above about external sanctioners
      3. your1970
        your1970 11 May 2016 10: 08
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        Those. according to your sanctions do not affect ??? amazingly, at least you about the training ground in the Mulino Germans are not completed because of the sanctions, remember to start ...
        1. Dionis2019
          Dionis2019 11 May 2016 10: 20
          -1
          That is, in my opinion: everything that does not kill us makes us stronger!
    2. mav1971
      mav1971 11 May 2016 10: 55
      +1
      Quote: Dionis2019
      if the thoughts on creating a NSR are materially implemented, then the dividends from this for Russia will be above the wildest expectations and, in essence, this will give impetus to the creation of a powerful infrastructure that will cover all regions. This is where the real development of Siberia and the Far East will begin.
      But you don’t need to be afraid of some .... th sanctioners, here you just need to take and do, no matter what!


      Tell us about potential dividends pliz ...
      Well, at least a couple of detailed examples according to your vision ...
  10. surrozh
    surrozh 11 May 2016 10: 03
    +2
    We will see. In the meantime, the coldest country in the world is fighting fiercely with warming.
  11. mav1971
    mav1971 11 May 2016 11: 11
    +2
    No matter how the projecting process was beautiful and patriotic, but it must be clearly understood - SevMorPut as a self-sufficient and self-supporting process in the coming years is unreal!
    The development of cities in the north is also a fiction.

    1. A lot of normal people will travel in the winter lasting 10-11 months of the year?
    Very little. Very few.
    These are the strongest shocks for the body. He needs sunshine and warmth - regularly.
    You cannot fool physiology.

    2. You have to pay a lot - so that people in pursuit of a "long ruble" could still force themselves to go there.
    Why pay?
    A good salary comes only with a low production cost and a very high surplus value for the goods.
    What goods can be produced in the north, so that it would be more profitable than the continental?
    But there is no such thing in the north.
    The costs of heating, lighting, high salaries for workers, prohibitively expensive supplies of resources for the production and export of finished products - all this will make finished products at cost tens and hundreds of times more expensive than continental. Will you buy Lada Kalina for 3 one million rubles, just because she was collected in Dudinka il Pevek?
    I think the answer is obvious.
    And everything else as well.

    3. There is no agriculture and will not be - to grow in greenhouses?
    From the continent to carry ...

    4. Nuclear-powered vehicles need tens and hundreds.
    If someone thinks that the nuclear-powered ship has taken and "pulled" the caravan like dry land, I still recommend reading at least blogger reports. Hard work, the speed of escorting is minimal, the dimensions of the ships are clearly limited by the width of the nuclear-powered ship, constant freezing even in the caravan and the icebreaker stops the caravan, returns, and frees the stuck. And so it is constantly.
    What will be the cost price as a result of cargo?

    5. And for all this, someone must pay.
    SevMorPut and server cities will never be able to achieve self-sufficiency.
    The costs will be such that the Olympics and World Championships are just like "giving alms".

    Summary.
    Too early.
    Until the water is cleared of ice on a "year-round" basis, no one will do anything global. Reasonable people still remain, thank God.
    1. 31rus2
      31rus2 11 May 2016 11: 29
      +1
      Dear, you are wrong, now money decides almost everything, a good salary, a good pension in the future, as before "enlisting" in the North, he worked out a contract, and on the mainland he bought a house, land, teaching children, so this is already time-tested
      1. The Little Humpbacked Horse
        The Little Humpbacked Horse 11 May 2016 12: 02
        0
        Quote: 31rus2
        now money decides almost everything, a good salary, a good pension in the future, as before "recruited" to the North


        What are you talking about, what money is now in the north, here people think how not to die of hunger

        In the Murmansk region there is a village BETWEEN there is the Polar Star farm, there are more than 1000 cows and heifers, there are also people who work for several years, there are 12 years old, there are many more! SO THAT IS THE PROBLEM !!!!

        Some time ago, the farm began to belong to Chechnya and since then the worst has begun: there is almost nothing to feed cows and calves, it’s 12 minutes of silage for 200 animals. Compound feed is rarely brought very much and if they bring it, then give no more to the scoop! Now they bring bread for cows, but this is not a salvation for them.


        https://bloger51.com/2015/11/58719
      2. Dimon19661
        Dimon19661 11 May 2016 12: 53
        +1
        Have you been to the north? Have you worked? Do you know that after ten years in the north, your body will NEVER adapt to a warm climate, and you will have lifelong sores. And that’s why the shift method is preferred today. And mav1971 correctly writes that this is a common searchlight. The Asia-Pacific countries will not build ice-class vessels with a small displacement for passage along the northern route. Large vessels will not pass there (compare the width of the Suez Canal and the width of the icebreaker). Yes, there is sad experience in operating the container ship SEVORMPUT .
        1. ism_ek
          ism_ek 11 May 2016 16: 20
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          Quote: Dimon19661
          Yes, and there is the sad experience of operating the container ship SEVMORPUT.

          The Northern Sea Route was actively exploited on the Murmansk-Dudinka route until Norilsk Nickel decided to build its own fleet. Now the Northern Sea Route has been restored and will transport Lead-Zinc ore from Novaya Zemlya
  12. uskrabut
    uskrabut 11 May 2016 11: 13
    +1
    Or, for starters, you need to launch your own merchant ships on the NSR, so that the bourgeois sensed the difference in the cost of transportation along the traditional route and the NSR. And there others will catch up when the denyuzhka rings.
  13. cedar
    cedar 11 May 2016 18: 31
    +2
    Last year, 151 dollars "flowed" from Russia abroad, or rather, it was Anglo-American capital that seized a large part of "our" economy and made another gesheft for us! This is how many SMPs could be equipped with everything necessary, paid and fed with these bucks ?!
    Until Russia regains its full political and economic SOVEREIGNTY, forget about the effectiveness of ANY BEGINNINGS for the country and its peoples! Whether it is the NSR or the second high-speed Transib, or the exploration of Space, without the construction of a powerful, sovereign state, like the USSR, the North, the shelf, Space, we DO NOT master! Competitors will not give! The most blind should have seen this a long time ago, the most stupid understand! We are gentlemen-comrades on the VO website, i.e. Military Review, so try not to turn comments into a capercaillie current (no offense), i.e. remember about the "cold" war, which was devastatingly lost by the Union, remember about the competitive, sanctions wars that our sworn partners are now waging against Russia and remember that at any moment the enemies, and Russia had them not only in 1941, can start the third world war!
    Speaking from these positions, you will give more balanced comments, which in my opinion is required and valuable.
    But the NSR was, is and will be! Because there were Dezhnev, Rusanov, Sedov, Sibiryakov, Chelyuskin, Bering and thousands and thousands of pioneers worthy of our respect for the Russian Arctic and most importantly they are now. They are ready to master, and study, and protect it, and live there. And new technologies and scientific discoveries will help them, i.e. US, in this extremely important and necessary thing for our country, what is the organization of the Northern Sea Route in the future of the Russian Arctic!
  14. kig
    kig 11 May 2016 23: 07
    0
    The article writes about icebreakers, and they think that is enough. However, to sail along the NSR, not only icebreakers are needed, but also special vessels of the so-called ice class. Such steamboats are much more expensive than ordinary ones, and for some reason there are no reasons why foreign shipowners would suddenly decide to build them. Therefore, it is necessary to equip the NSR for yourself, as it was before, during the Soviet era. Someone from the bourgeoisie would like to ride in the north - for health, but there is no need to rely heavily on this.