Nazarbayev: "Ukrainian scenario" in Kazakhstan will not pass

Those who try to organize a repetition of the “Ukrainian scenario” in Kazakhstan are awaiting the most stringent measures, reports RIA News statement of Kazakhstan leader Nursultan Nazarbayev.

Nazarbayev made such a statement yesterday during an expanded government meeting.

“Kazakhstanis do not want Ukrainian events in Kazakhstan, I know that. Let everyone hear who wants to bring it here: we will take the most brutal measures so that they know and do not say that I did not warn ”,

he declared.

The President noted that the development of Kazakhstan was influenced to a large extent by the global crisis and urged citizens to be vigilant and not allow to shake the situation in the country.

“We know that there are a lot of people who have suffered from it (the global crisis), having lost their jobs or part of their income. Such people are in any society. I want to warn all Kazakhstanis to be vigilant, not to let our stability and respect for each other shaken. For my part, I want to say that we will not allow anyone to take advantage of the crisis in order to undermine peace and stability in our common home ”,

he said.

“Everyone who violates the rule of law will answer to the fullest extent of the law,” Nazarbayev added. According to him, “strengthening peace in society is the business of every citizen, all public organizations, all Kazakhstanis”.

Comments

[SS68SS]

“Everyone who violates the law and order will answer in all severity of the law,” Nazarbayev added

It is necessary to find the instigators, calculate the organizers, break the channels for sponsors and .... only very quickly. I think Russia will help to do this. Because there are a lot of Russian-speaking citizens in Kazakhstan. And no one is interested in getting another hot spot in the union.

[Finches]

I would like to wish you, Mr. President, long years of health, but then it’s somehow exciting for the Kazakhs ... the Anglo-Saxons know how to wait, and Kazakhstan is a tidbit!

[Michael67]

In Kazakhstan, the president is talking about these threats. Already good.
But what awaits Tajikistan? There, striped strengthen their position. And the president by decree approved the list of names for newborns. So that God forbid their Slavic names leaked.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Michael67

But what awaits Tajikistan? There, striped strengthen their position. And the president by decree approved the list of names for newborns. So that God forbid their Slavic names leaked.

The mattresses for 2017 budgeted $ 70 million to fight terrorism in Tajikistan. This suggests that now "terrorism" will inevitably come to Tajikistan, since it has already been "planned" by the sworn friends of humanity.
As for names, this norm is introduced only for children of ethnic Tajiks.

[Roman 11]

Quote: Nyrobsky

The budget of 70 million dollars for the fight against terrorism in Tajikistan.

Is the president of Tajikistan himself on the list of terrorists?

[Andrey K]

There have already been repeated attempts to start riots. Remember the "protests" in the Mangistau region of Kazakhstan in 2011, the "protest rally" of oil workers in the city of Zhanaozen in 2012 and on trifles ...
Attempts to "rock" Kazakhstan do not stop ...
So far, Nazarbayev has managed to keep the situation under control. God grant that the neighbors have everything calm

[potroshenko]

In general, these are anti-Chinese speeches now in Kazakhstan, people are against the sale of their land to foreign legal entities and individuals. But like Nazarbayev signed a moratorium before the end of the year to reassure people.

[sherp2015]

Quote: Finches

I would like to wish you, Mr. President, long years of health, but then it’s somehow exciting for the Kazakhs ... the Anglo-Saxons know how to wait, and Kazakhstan is a tidbit!

We hope! But what will happen when Nazarbayev leaves?

[4ekist]

The Kazakhs themselves will successfully cope with this. Maybe they should learn something from them.

[CORNET]

we will take the most cruel measures so that they know and don’t say that I didn’t warn, ”

Briefly and clearly warned! Looks like such a tough statement is not casual ... Do not succumb to the Kazakhs provocation ..!

[Weyland]

Quote: CORNET

Looks like such a tough statement ...

It is not easy: not hoping for the loyalty of his own army, Nurik agreed with the Chinese on the "military support in exchange for land" scheme.

[shvn]

Present at the signing? So the provocateur appeared ... straight pop Gapon

[Weyland]

Quote: shvn

So the provocateur appeared ... straight pop Gapon

I do not mind - given the fact that Gapon accused of provocation - pure defamation (what you just do)!

[Talgat]

Quote: Weyland

Urik negotiated military support in exchange for land with the Chinese.

Complete nonsense - as we all know, Kazakhstan has long decided on the military-political course and is in military alliance with Russia and Belarus (CSTO, which includes Kyrgyzstan and Armenia and Tajikistan). We have integrated air defense with Russia, and we also unite the economy within the framework of the Eurasian Union

China, of course, is now a temporary friend of both Russia and Kazakhstan - but the Kazakhs will NEVER choose China instead of Russia - we have been together with Russia and its peoples for thousands of years. With China, our ancestors are steppes of thousands of years in opposition

Kazakhstan does not need any military support from China. On the contrary - the only serious threat in the future can come only from China - friendly relations with all other neighbors in the south of the KZ - and the threats of terrorism, etc. are quite on the shoulder not the last in the region of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan and even without help from Russia

[Weyland]

Quote: Talgat

Complete nonsense - as we all know, Kazakhstan has long decided on the military-political course and is in military alliance with Russia and Belarus (odkb where Kyrgyzstan is included with Armenia and Tajikistan).

And did the CSTO help Akayev greatly? He was immediately told that the CSTO is from an external threat, and not from the Maidan! Nurik concluded ... He needs military support against possible maidan - if the army suddenly refuses to shoot at the people!

Quote: Talgat

Kazakhs will NEVER choose China instead of Russia - we have been together with Russia and its peoples for thousands of years. With China, our ancestors are steppes of thousands of years in opposition

Thousands years? Credit books in Kazakhstan history books, just like ukrov! And most importantly: Kazakhs generally maybe China will not choose - but Nurik personally it may even!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: 4ekist

Maybe they should learn something from them.

what ?!
there are enough thieves and their own
or do you propose that one Putin’s daughter be the head of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company and the second one is a thread, a son-in-law, and open an offshore in Panama for a grandson ?!

[4ekist]

I don’t care whose daughter would lead the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company, if only the person was in "his place" and professionally performed his duties. And I don't accept various pi ... oons, empty demagogues and hangers-on.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: 4ekist

I don't care whose daughter would head the VGTRK, if only the person was in "his place"

and if she will head the VGTRK solely because she is someone’s daughter ?!

Quote: 4ekist

And different pi ... unov

So, before being rude, delve into the topic, who, what, where, and where ?!

Quote: 4ekist

empty demagogues and hangers-on I do not accept

self-critical, do you know how Dariga once paddled all the "outdoor" on the routes of Nazik in Alma-Ata ?!
Or maybe in the know how to grab TV and radio in Alma-Ata ?!

[Weyland]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Do you know how Dariga once paddled all the "outdoor" on the routes of Nazik in Alma-Ata ?! or maybe you know how she paddled TV and radio in Alma-Ata ?!

And you still modestly kept silent about her late husband! I do not believe that she was completely unaware of his affairs! Plus (and to the Chekist - a well-deserved minus!)

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Weyland

I do not believe that she was completely unaware of his affairs!

I didn’t know that my father-in-law wasn’t in the know, but in the light of the records that Aliyev made public, it’s so funny when we are offered an example to take from Nazik

[4ekist]

Unfortunately, I do not know the intricacies of the order of appointment to the positions of leading television channels. But I can assume that the initiative should come from below with the active support of the candidacy from above. Those. if a person himself wants and can work, has the appropriate education and experience, is respected by the team, loves his Motherland passionately, and his leadership appreciates the FLAG HIM TO HAND. But I don’t want to be rude to anyone, I don’t like this myself. As for what happened in Almaty, I do not know. The last time was in Kazakhstan in 1984, incl. basically draw info from the media.

[aba]

The Kazakhs themselves will successfully cope with this.

But the Ukrainians could not cope ... But nevertheless, I do not believe that the Ukrainian people wanted this particular scenario, which was implemented.
The question is somewhat different: who is behind these forces and how well the given "soil" is fertilized financially. If the state does not have enough funds, including financial, does not have enough will and strength, then the Maidan or any color revolutions with current technologies and the prevalence of not citizens, but a class of consumers among the masses, is easy enough to pull off.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: SS68SS

Find the instigators, calculate the organizers .... only very quickly. I think Russia will help to do this.

Well, with regard to Ukraine, there the foundation of all the Maidans was based on anti-Russian rhetoric, western Ukraine and the authorities located in Kiev tried with the help of the UPA to create national self-identity (as in the Baltic states), although all this was in Soviet times, I read in past topics at the forum that many were faced with a disgusting attitude towards the Russians back in 1980, being in western Ukraine.

[Amurets]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

all this was in Soviet times, in the forum in past topics I read that many faced a disgusting attitude towards Russians back in 1980, while being in western Ukraine.

This is true without cheating. My elder sister married a gutsul who served in our city in 1966. As long as they lived in the Far East everything was fine. Her husband is good and kind. After he served, they left for him mother’s homeland, her mother’s torment began. My sister wrote that the locals had eaten them. She’s gotten married because he’s not married to the local one.

[Lord of the Sith]

Militia battery work.

"The war is in full swing and our guys, as in the good old days, continue to mow dill to the right and to the left. So, in Marinka, the base of the armored vehicles of the Ukrainian punishers was destroyed. At least 6 MTLB + BTR-70 were burned out. The shell fired militiamen from a long-range self-propelled gun hit directly into the roof of the hangar, where the punishers kept their equipment. According to some reports, after this attack, the Ukrainians suffered losses not only in equipment, but also in personnel of up to 4 people killed and 10 wounded. "

[Berber]

If to set the terminology, then "Dill" is a wrong Russian. I feel sorry for all the Russians and the wrong ones too.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: BerBer

If to establish the terminology, then "Dill" is a wrong Russian.

You do not correctly interpret this term)))
UKROP- from the abbreviated "ukro patriot ". and applies to those who, under the slogans of patriotism, have brought the country to complete kondratiya and, in fact, are a false patriot who is fighting against his state.

[just exp]

right . and the wrong Russians, those who imagined themselves to be Europeans are called kakly.

[Weyland]

Quote: Nyrobsky

UKROP- from the abbreviated "'re coming out patriot ".

Is not the Ukrainian op (positioner)? A term of those times when this mr-ah was not yet in power!

[Roman 11]

Quote: BerBer

"Dill" is a wrong Russian. I feel sorry for all the Russians and the wrong ones too.

But Lazo would have such an answer dill:
... No, we didn’t sell the Russian soul to foreign taverns, we didn’t exchange it for overseas gold and guns ... We are not hired, we protect our land with our own hands .... For this Russian land on which I now stand, we will die, but we will not give it to anyone!

[avt]

Quote: SS68SS

. I think Russia will help to do this.

Why the hell, or a hangover then all of a sudden! ???? There are only two options in which you can allow open interference of Russia in the internal affairs of Kazakhstan. The first is external aggression and, in accordance with the protocol procedures of the CSTO, they use the armed forces of its members, and in fact Russia. The second option is the Syrian one. Only by a bilateral agreement with the LEGITIME government of Kazakhstan, will they use these or those forces and means of Russia, again with external interference in the affairs of Kazakhstan. ALL, the rest is like that themselves, especially in a get-together. Of course, the knights of the cloak and dagger "of all Players outside the brackets - that's a different story and different rules.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

, the main thing is to organize such a system in which the arrival of such people as:

Nothing is actually Kazakhstan since 1991 an independent country, and even the local elites Nazarbayev raised since the first secretary ascended the throne! ?? Whether you like it or not, what has grown has grown, and they will choose the elbassa successor for themselves, and Russia can only recognize the choice as legitimate and support, or recognize and not support, as in Ukraine, as well as not recognize it as in Kosovo. What else can I recommend with my bursting enthusiasm in the future “salvation” of Kazakhstan - re-read the statements of Elbasy about the multi-vector policy of Kazakhstan and that the EAEU business is nothing personal, that is, according to his almost literal quote, there is no politics and no supranational structures. do not try to run ahead of the locomotive to save Kazakhstan in a fit of fraternal passion.

[Roman 11]

Quote: avt

The first is external aggression and, in accordance with the CSTO protocol procedures, the armed forces of its members are involved, and in fact Russia.

Why? Where will the others be? Armenia, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan? Do they really care?

[razmik72]

Quote: Novel 11

Quote: avt

The first is external aggression and, in accordance with the CSTO protocol procedures, the armed forces of its members are involved, and in fact Russia.

Why? Where will the others be? Armenia, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan? Do they really care?

Belarus adopted a new military doctrine, according to which the RB Armed Forces outside the territory of Belarus can be used only with special permission, our Foreign Ministry has already asked its Belarusian colleagues for clarification. The situation is not very clear with the CSTO, after the downing of a Russian plane by Turkey, the Chief of the Armenian General Staff in this organization, he condemned the actions of the Turkish authorities and on behalf of the whole organization expressed support for Russia. So after that, officials of Belarus, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan stated that no one gave the representative of Armenia full authority to speak on their behalf, in fact, these states did not support Russia in difficult times. It is not surprising that during the recent battles in Karabakh, the CSTO partners Kazakhstan and Belarus openly supported Azerbaijan, and forum users from Kazakhstan openly write on this site that they should not count on Kazakhstan's support. I understand that Minsk and Astana have Azerbaijan serious economic interests, and Armenia did is with the defense of his country. But if the matter takes a serious turn, for example with the same China or Turkey, then it seems to me, gentlemen, the forum users will forgive me to put it mildly, the CSTO treaty will not be valid.

[weksha50]

Quote: Novel 11

Armenia, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan? Do they really care?

Um ... Do you still believe in the reality and effectiveness of this alliance (CSTO)?

When the question arises of who should die for the interests of others, everyone will bashfully point a finger towards Russia ...

Cynical, unfortunately, but the way it is ...

PS Some forum users correctly said: problems with the internal opposition in Kazakhstan are precisely the internal problems of Kazakhstan, and no one has the right to interfere with them from the outside ...

But Russia has enough of its problematic opposition ... It is necessary to restore iron order with it, and not with the Kazakh one ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: weksha50

Correctly, some forum users said: problems with the internal opposition in Kazakhstan are precisely the internal problems of Kazakhstan, and no one has the right to interfere with them from the outside

true when it explodes it will become Russia's problems

Quote: weksha50

Russia has enough of its own troubled opposition ... It needs to be put in order with the iron order, and not with the Kazakh one ...

treating hemorrhoids do not forget about syphilis

[avt]

Quote: Novel 11

Why? Where will the others be? Armenia, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan? Do they really care?

Under the constitution of the Republic of Belarus, its troops are not entitled to participate in any military operations outside the borders of the republic itself. Everything, to Butsk with such trifles as participation anywhere else you may not approach. The rest, if memory serves, must somehow make a collegial decision .... including Butsky’s voice It’s like when the last time it fell off in Karabakh, it seems like the NAS gave an ambiguous understanding - there will be no CSTO decision on the use of troops.

Quote: razmik72

It is not surprising that during the recent battles in Karabakh, the CSTO partners Kazakhstan and Belarus openly supported Azerbaijan,

Well, openly or not - I’m not aware of specific PUBLIC statements on this topic from these persons involved, and I haven’t really looked for them. But you’re right -

Quote: razmik72

to put it mildly, the CSTO treaty will not be valid.

.And moreover for very specific military-technical reasons - well, there is no sane management vertical in the Collective Security Treaty Organization with the binding of all national attracted formations. Absolutely no.

Quote: weksha50

When the question arises of who should die for the interests of others, everyone will bashfully point a finger towards Russia ...

[Roman 11]

Quote: SS68SS

nobody is interested in the hot spot in the union

On the territory of the Union, no one wanted such points. They will arise due to centrifugal forces, each striving to drag a blanket over himself. This is a good trump card for our enemies, therefore, in order to stop such phenomena, unification in a confederation is required - with a single defense and currency. Otherwise, there will be no peace, and expansion from the outside is already happening.

[avt]

Quote: Novel 11

In order to stop such phenomena, unification in a configuration is required - with a single defense and currency.

National leaders will not agree to this. They will not agree on a single emission center and a single supranational command, even under the Warsaw Pact option. A living example of this is Batska with sayuzny state. So forget, even if they ever remember about it, then in such a situation .... well, like now Akayev, Bakiyev, Yanukovych. Other people's examples do not teach them anything! They are "the rulers of the worlds", the shakes of the universes ". Bulgakov's maxims at the Patriarch's Ponds are not a decree to them.

[weksha50]

Quote: Novel 11

to stop such phenomena requires confederation - with a single defense and currency.

Um ... Not even with Ukraine, but with Belarus. with which there is an agreement on almost a united state, how many problems in this area ... Do you want the Central Asian former union republics to return to the Union ??? But who of the bays will refuse power ???

[vkl.47]

Kazakhstan CE Europe

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: SS68SS

It is necessary to find the instigators, to calculate the organizers

first of all, the leadership of the country does not need to haul loot in the West, so that they would not take

[avt]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

first of all, the leadership of the country does not need to haul loot in the West, so that they would not take

If you are for Kazakhstan, then it is more likely in the east. That’s why it seems to me

Quote: Alexander72

Do you know how it all began in Kazakhstan? It all began with a mildly ill-conceived government decision to transfer agricultural land for lease to China with their subsequent purchase.

A colleague is right - the Chinese give money not like Russia of Belarus, but quite on the security of something quite concrete and liquid. I do not monitor the dynamics of lending to Kazakhstan by China, but after the US failed to lower oil prices, the Morgans and other Rockefellers previously threw off the oil chips on the stock exchange, if you like, they left the assets secured by oil, the elbasy sank so that he really had nothing to re-loan despite the multi-vector nature, except on the security of land. Well, taking into account his age, again, the long-standing delivery of 150 tons of USA diplomatic mail through Manas through Manas, remember such a joke exactly after feeding Nuland cookies with your hands, someone decided to check, well, as before, NAS cool hold reins, or loosened his grip?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: avt

it’s more likely in the east

oh well, it’s not in vain that in due time the son-in-law leaked to Europe, another question is that in the east, too, surely, but they’ll take one for the gills if they want

[Aleksandr72]

Do you know how it all began in Kazakhstan? It all began with a mildly ill-conceived government decision to transfer agricultural land for lease to China with their subsequent purchase. Given that the eastern neighbor is increasingly strengthening its economic position in Kazakhstan (the purchase of oil, coal and ore deposits, with the majority of the staff being Chinese - in some places non-Chinese are generally not hired, and the salaries of the Chinese working in the same position and Kazakhstani people (regardless of the nationality, where of course they were hired) differ significantly, in favor of the Han people, of course, much more is not very pleasant from the point of view of the sovereignty of the state), this could not but cause outrage among a certain part of the population, especially heated by certain in circles. As a result, riots in Western Kazakhstan (Adaevites (western Kazakhs of the former Younger Zhus) always rebelled against the authorities under any authority: under the khans, the tsar, the Bolsheviks and the National Academy of Sciences - the main thing is to give them cause for discontent). At first, only demands were put forward to ban the sale of land to the Chinese, then there were demands not only of an economic, but also of a political nature, the real anti-Chinese hysteria began. Moreover, our native media got water in their mouths. But on the local Internet, and especially in its mobile part of the videos from the demonstrations and the dispersal of these demonstrations by the police and explosives, as well as various calls (up to the need for the NAS to renounce power) there was more than enough, as well as loud statements that the Chinese we are enslaved and deprived of independence, including the corresponding commercials - the real anti-Chinese hysteria. And as a result, Nazarbayev signed a decree on a temporary moratorium until 31.12.16/100/XNUMX. actions of some articles of the Land Code of the Republic of Kazakhstan, which actually constituted the legal basis for transferring Kazakhstani lands to foreign companies and individuals for long-term lease with the right to purchase. Thus, Nazarbayev managed to take control of the situation, release steam from the dissatisfied people (more precisely, the most active part - for me it’s not without reason active — XNUMX% Americans again) and prevent the development of events according to the Ukrainian version (Maidan, overthrow of legitimate authority, civil war, economic devastation in the country and devastation in the head).
There is another concern: the NAS is far from young, the issue with the assignee has not been resolved, an attempt to turn the country from a republic with a strong presidential power into a parliamentary-presidential one will not lead to anything good, especially when you consider who is in this parliament and whose interests represent deputies. Who knows what this will all turn out when the NAS leaves its post?
I have the honor.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Alexander72

It all began with a mildly ill-conceived decision of the government to transfer agricultural land for lease to China with their subsequent purchase

why not thought out, everything has been thought out for 25 years, the leadership of the Republic of Kazakhstan has only been loot and believes that the country has long been beaten there

[The Little Humpbacked Horse]

I’m looking at the flag from Kazakhstan. Could you briefly describe the situation with the dollar and the adoption of unpopular laws in Kazakhstan, before and after the election. I just want to understand what awaits us in the fall after the election

[ver_]

..turn off not only the channels, but also some other parts of the organs ..

[Max_Bauder]

I hasten to reassure everyone why there will be no problems with Kazakhstan, neither Russia nor the United States.
Firstly, the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan comes from a team that gained independence in the 90s, after the collapse of the Union, which means that he was an associate of EBN, which means he keeps the same course as what? liberal, that is, pro-Western. The Americans pump oil and everyone who wants to, including the Chinese, sells everything in dollars, which is beneficial to the United States. Foreign workers are their darkness, nobody touches them, they get more than ours. All loans, like Russia, are taken from the US Federal Reserve, and are given to the population at high interest rates. All oligarchs and he himself keep money and property abroad. That is, he, the president, is doing everything to make all other countries happy. So the West does not need to overthrow such a convenient person as they did with Gaddafi, arranging an internal revolt and supplying him, why? to build NATO bases as planned in Crimea? Well, the president is not so much, and there is no one to rebel, Kazakhs have no nationalism like Ukrainians alienating from Russians, we are so different, both in history, culture, and in language. Importantly, any revolt in any country can be crushed by tanks if it is not supplied and condemned from the outside. For example, why was the rebellion successful in Libya, Syria, Ukraine? because the US supported. Why did they fight in Chechnya for a long time, because the supply was from outside. And in Kazakhstan there is no one to support for the above reasons, and therefore it was easier to crush tanks with a lung. By the way, the riot in Zhanaozen (West of the country) was successfully shot. So the people understood that there was no one to count on, neither for mercy, nor for sympathy. We will be fluffy forcibly-voluntarily, at least bite the cracker :)
Now, secondly, why the president is not against Russia, although almost pro-Western. Because for him Russia is a safety cushion, if the West / USA can throw at any moment, which is proved by the example of Turkey and Saudi Arabia, then Russia is a reliable ally where you can hit the road like Yanyk or Akayev, it is also an ally who willingly pays for Baikonur, which the Russians themselves built in Soviet times, our stupid people could not even launch one rocket in these 26 years. In addition, Russia donates weapons of the S-300 type, makes a common umbrella (of course, for itself in the first place). In addition, Russia has a large sales market and, conversely, an importer of many goods, such as gasoline. All this is beneficial to Kazakhstan, and therefore they have joined the Eurasian Economic Council because of this. And the latest argument why the president of the Republic of Kazakhstan will be pro-Russian, being pro-Western, is Russian and other nationalities of Kazakhstan.
to be continued...

[Max_Bauder]

continued ...
If in other republics of the former Union, Russian speakers have successfully outlived, and there the majority of local Aborigines that they even managed to distance themselves from Russian cultural civilization (every second Tajik or Uzbek never spoke Russian, so the Gaster even came up with an exam), then in Kazakhstan, 40% of Russians and the Kazakhs themselves 95% speak Russian, and the mentality is similar, although we are Muslims, we perform funeral and other rituals in the Muslim style, but we don’t live according to Sharia, excluding Wahhabi Salafis dressed in niqabs and hijabs, of which there is little praise to God. Communicating between Kazakhstani Russians and other nationalities in Russian as the language of interethnic communication (almost none of the Kazakhs know Kazakh), they hold a thread with Russian civilization. Many people travel from Kazakhstan to Russia and vice versa, visiting relatives and friends. So just like that you will not disown everything described. And so, without Russia, we, especially the president, are nowhere. I’m rushing between two fires, although I’m joking, Russia is nevertheless closer to us, to me as a Kazakh, who reads the history and traditions of their ancestors and knows them to the seventh generation, I respect the Tengri culture, and even before Stalin, the first organizer was Genghis Khan, who united many peoples mentality and created a big country, and the Soviet Union I consider the greatest achievement of our Slavic and Turkic society, when a person loved the country sincerely and worked for its good, in conclusion I want to bring a song, I hope you like it :)

[Aika]

Class! Nostalgia for Soviet childhood

[Aliko]

You were Russian in spirit and you will die like a Russian,

[avt]

Quote: Max_Bauder

Firstly, the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan comes from a team that gained independence in the 90s, after the collapse of the Union, which means that he was an associate of EBN, which means he keeps the same course as what? liberal, that is, pro-Western. The Americans pump oil and everyone who wants to, including the Chinese, sells everything in dollars, which is beneficial to the United States.

I beg of you ! Saddam Hussein went to war with Iran at the filing of the USA, before invading Kuwait, made a WRITTEN REQUEST through the US ambassador to Iraq and received a sanction - it’s your business and you have to figure it out. So how did Saddam end?

[Roman 11]

Quote: Max_Bauder

. All this is beneficial to Kazakhstan, and therefore they have joined the Eurasian Economic Council because of this.

Yes, NAS itself came up with the EurAsEC.

[Mowgli]

It is necessary to find the instigators, calculate the organizers, break the channels for sponsors and .... only very quickly. I think Russia will help to do this.

But, unfortunately, Russia itself does not do this: "find the instigators, figure out the organizers, cut off the channels to sponsors and .... only very quickly."
All kinds of bulk, rains and other echoes feel very good. Yes, a lot of them.

[Kasym]

The NAS attacked because of the speeches in the west of the Republic of Kazakhstan regarding the land. I decided to warn in advance so as not to repeat Zhanaozen at the end of 2011.
Yesterday, only for Tatiana, I wrote in the article "Where did the pale-faced" go? The difference between Ukraine and Kazakhstan. I don’t want to repeat.

[Prapor-527]

Squint your eyes less towards the USA ...

[Kasym]

Oh, Prapor-527 (Dmitry), you don't know much about the realities of the region! What kind of USA, they "dance a little" here ?! Due to the calls and actions of the NAS on the EAEU, CSTO, SCO, etc. we have not been in "priority" for a long time. They "wash the long bucks" from the region. We are for them "the motor of integration for the post-Soviet countries." This is where Chinese loans play a role - that's what turns them on. Security - Russia. And this already pisses them off. And while all attempts to undermine the situation have failed - after the latest events in Nagorno-Karabakh, the Republic of Kazakhstan is left with the only border of the posts. Prost-va, where everything is fine with the Russian Federation (except for the Union State of Belarus).
The right and radicals, liberals and extremists in the Republic of Kazakhstan do not have leaders, especially organizations, as in Ukraine (Freedom, PS). There are no organized fighters who have been instructed and trained in neighboring countries. And for those who went to fight in Syria, criminal cases were instituted (over 200, something like that).

[Baloo]

Kazakhstan has a reliable rear and a true friend, Russia. But the neighbors are weak, let them often remember how the flirting and wagging of the tail and ears in front of the FSA and the Saudis end.

[Donlomakin]

Not so long ago, it seemed that Ukraine had a true friend Russia.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Donlomakin

Not so long ago, it seemed that Ukraine had a true friend Russia.

Yeah, but Ukraine didn’t give a damn about friendship, went on hand.
Not Russia defined her as enemies, but vice versa.

[Baloo]

The leaders of Ukraine just made promises, wagged their tails, clapped their ears joyfully, enthusiastically ... licked, fervently galloped here and galloped.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

The Ukrainian scenario may be repeated after Nazarbayev resigned as president, the main thing is to organize such a system in which the arrival of such people as: Kuchma, Yushchenko, Poroshenko, Saakashvilli is not possible.

[Humpty]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

The Ukrainian scenario may be repeated after Nazarbayev resigned as president,

Once or twice they will still use a firearm against the protesters, it doesn’t matter who hit them and for what reason, they can replenish the company of three well-known ... although God loves the trinity, people say so. Not invented by me.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

the main thing is to organize such a system in which the arrival of such people as: Kuchma, Yushchenko, Poroshenko, Saakashvilli is not possible.

To look only at the "pious family", King Lear just brings it up.

[avvg]

In my opinion, we hope that Nazarbayev will use force and weapons against the "Kazakh Maidanuts" and will not "coward" like Yanukovych.

[Ros 56]

Quote: avvg

"coward" like Yanukovych.

They already had a mess, something pretty cool, I even had to shoot. And not so long ago. If my memory serves me right, the Mangyshlak peninsula was called in Soviet times.

[KOH]

There was already a mess in Kazakhstan, I don’t remember what the region is called, they put out the air ...

[brasist]

The "technician" just drove along the outskirts of Almaty, supposedly for an exercise, and everything became quiet
and the FSA failed adventure ...

[brasist]

it seems here she is

[Russian]

How many APU vehicles are being taken for militia, for they will take them away from the APU.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: avvg

In my opinion, we hope that Nazarbayev will use force and weapons against the "Kazakh Maidanuts" and will not "coward" like Yanukovych.

It is clear that "mattresses" have created in the republics of the former USSR a layer of grant-eaters who are ready to rock the society in the interests of the "breadwinner", but the society itself received a good vaccination from "Maidanism" looking at the "flourishing" of Ukropostan.
Recently, our "grant eaters" have been chased with mops and cakes all over the cities and towns so that they shit in the back rooms saving their costumes from those they want to "save" from the "tyranny of the regime".)))
The same will be in Kazakhstan.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: avvg

and will not be "cowardly" like Yanukovych.

and Yanuk crap one's pants for his grandmothers, so the question arises how to behave nazik when he starts to fumble for moshna

[flay]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: avvg

and will not be "cowardly" like Yanukovych.

and Yanuk crap one's pants for his grandmothers, so the question arises how to behave nazik when he starts to fumble for moshna

I think you are not setting the question correctly.

Yanyk was frightened not for money (he did not carry it with a cache), but for his life (it was not for nothing that the GRU pulled it out).
Because, apart from Berkut, no one would defend him. The ordinary divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (which are on the ground) do not count, since with that funding and the level of salaries
In Kazakhstan, the situation is different, there is not such a high level of corruption in the lower divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the money allowance and security cannot be compared with the Ukrainian one.
And the NAS is looking carefully, and not like an ostrich-head in the sand.
Based on the foregoing, I dare to assume that the Ukrainian version of events in Kazakhstan will not work.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote from: fly

Yanyk was not afraid for money (he doesn’t carry them with a cache)

just because of that I was afraid that it wasn’t a cache, and for the trunk it was just taken by dibs on accounts that are blocked even more than once

Quote from: fly

In Kazakhstan, the situation is different, there is not such a high level of corruption in the lower divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

have you been from RK for a long time? !!

Quote from: fly

Based on the foregoing, I dare to assume that the Ukrainian version of events in Kazakhstan will not pass

read the Kazakhstani media for three years already how nationalist hysteria escalates there, and this is oh what a powerful lever

[flay]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote from: fly

In Kazakhstan, the situation is different, there is not such a high level of corruption in the lower divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

have you been from RK for a long time? !!

I’m not from RK for a long time
I live not far from the border with the Republic of Kazakhstan and we have a lot of Kazakhs.
Plus, we often have to communicate with the police, both ours and Kazakhstan.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and I lived there for 38 years, so I don't need to talk about "not being corrupt"

[flay]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and I lived there for 38 years, so I don't need to talk about "not being corrupt"

So what ? They say one thing to you, you talk about another.
Okay...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

about what else, about the absence of corruption "in the lower divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs"?

[Humpty]

Quote: avvg

In my opinion, we hope that Nazarbayev will use force and weapons against the "Kazakh Maidanuts" and will not "coward" like Yanukovych.

If applied, it will come out sideways, and certainly not immediately. With a high probability of going to another position.

[Kasym Khan]

Nazarbayev is not Yanukovych for you. In Zhanaozen it is a city in the Mangistau region. He shot all the protesters. Officially reported killed 17 people. but the actual death toll was more than 120 people. Now this city is still closed. And the rally then demanded the salary equation of Kaz.Neft. with foreign workers. That's why he emphasizes this.

[Zymran]

Quote: Kassym Khan

Nazarbayev is not Yanukovych for you. In Zhanaozen it is a city in the Mangistau region. He shot all the protesters. Officially reported killed 17 people. but the actual killed there were more 120 people

And where does the 120 data come from? Do you like this shooting, right?

[razmik72]

Quote: Zymran

Quote: Kassym Khan

Nazarbayev is not Yanukovych for you. In Zhanaozen it is a city in the Mangistau region. He shot all the protesters. Officially reported killed 17 people. but the actual killed there were more 120 people

And where does the 120 data come from? Do you like this shooting, right?

Kassym-khan supports the khan’s power, something falls from him from the master’s table.

[Weyland]

Quote: Zymran

Do you like this shooting, right?

It is unlikely - if a person specifically emphasized:

Quote: Kassym Khan

And the rally then demanded the salary equation of Kaz.Neft. with foreign workers

[razmik72]

Quote: avvg

In my opinion, we hope that Nazarbayev will use force and weapons against the "Kazakh Maidanuts" and will not "coward" like Yanukovych.

Yanukovych did very discreetly, at first intending to sign an agreement on Euroassociation, and then surrendered abruptly under pressure from Russia. As subsequent events showed, the majority of Ukrainians were for the euro association. I write with confidence that Russia was putting pressure, since at the same time Serzh Sargsyan was about to sign exactly the same agreement with the EU, but after a trip to Moscow in September 2014 he suddenly changed his mind and stated that in one night he decided that Armenia would be better with the Customs Union. Fortunately, Armenians do not suffer from Russophobia and positively accepted this decision, otherwise the same events would have been possible here as in Ukraine.

[flay]

Quote: razmik72

Yanukovych did very discreetly, at first intending to sign an agreement on Euroassociation, and then surrendered abruptly under pressure from Russia. As subsequent events showed, the majority of Ukrainians were for the euro association. I write with confidence that Russia was putting pressure, since at the same time Serzh Sargsyan was about to sign exactly the same agreement with the EU, but after a trip to Moscow in September 2014 he suddenly changed his mind and stated that in one night he decided that Armenia would be better with the Customs Union. Fortunately, Armenians do not suffer from Russophobia and positively accepted this decision, otherwise the same events would have been possible here as in Ukraine.

It is certainly good that the Armenians do not suffer from Russophobia
That's just how Russia can Push we have no leverage.
If in relation to Armenia, well .. CSTO, then in relation to Ukraine this was not the case either.
Maybe everything is easier, Putin said that customs tariffs will be like for European goods.
Sargsyan and Yanukovych counted and turned on the back.
Poroshenko did not include and signed.
Economic "joy" from Ukraine, after signing and changing customs tariffs on the border with Russia, can be found in the internet.
Sargsyan realized that "freebies" will not work (European goods to Russia, according to the tariffs of the customs union)
Maybe you shouldn't "suck" something else here

[razmik72]

[quote = flay]

It is certainly good that the Armenians do not suffer from Russophobia
That's just how Russia can Push we have no leverage.
Does Russia have no special levers of pressure on Armenia? We, Armenians, have such a concept as the head of an orphan, above it you can arrange whatever you like, you can, for example, learn to be a hairdresser and no one will answer for obvious mistakes, this is just an orphan head. I’ll tell you in short now, my the country turned out to be an orphan, the authorities did not give a damn what would happen to the country, they would have kept their power at any cost due to the statehood and sovereignty of my country, Armenia has become an orphan over which various experiments can be carried out with impunity.

[flay]

Quote: razmik72

.. I’ll tell you shorter now, my country has turned out to be an orphan, the authorities do not give a damn what will happen to the country, they would have kept their power at any cost due to the statehood and sovereignty of my country, Armenia has become an orphan over which various experiments can be carried out with impunity.

Now, if you carefully analyze the meaning of what you said, it turns out that you regret that the Armenian government did not sign the association agreement with the EU.
And the government of Armenia and the government of Russia are guilty of this.
It turns out that you ... not so directly, but veiledly transfer your dissatisfaction to Russia, which we have described here.
So in this matter, you do not make claims to Russia, and do not have.
- you have your own government.
- you, in fact, a sovereign country.
Another thing is that Sargsyan did not go to the European association not only for economic reasons (although personally it would be beneficial for him, if only because the politician "surrendering" his country receives from the West preferences. As an example, M. Gorbachev)
Your president also understands that having lost the support of Russia, he will actually doom his people to gradual destruction (I think it’s clear why).
After all, it was not Russia that determined your territory of residence, your ancestors chose it.
Today the situation is such that you can survive only by maintaining friendship with Russia, otherwise you will simply be "devoured". For Russia, your absence on the world map does not bear fatal consequences, although it complicates the situation, but in some way it discharges it (I have already expressed my thought not in an eyebrow, but in an eye).
So what are your words

Quote: razmik72

.. the authorities don't give a damn what will happen to the country, they would keep their power at any cost due to the statehood and sovereignty of my country ...

told by you on a wave of emotional discontent.
But Armenia has sovereignty, and it is greater than Ukraine after February 2014.

[razmik72]

I didn’t and have no special illusions about Armenia’s joining the EU, but the Eurasian Union did not give special preferences to Armenia due to objective circumstances, we do not have a land border with any member of the EurAsEC. That the country would develop and have a future , it is necessary that the government itself would think about the people. In Soviet times, Armenia as an independent entity was not there, I’ve lived an order of magnitude better people, the local buy-outs have already got everyone, it’s not about Russia, but about the ineffective governance of the country

[mark_rod]

Quote: avvg

In my opinion, I hope that Nazarbayev will use all his forces and will not be "cowardly" like Yanukovych.

Who is Yanukovych !? Former felon! Before the collapse of the USSR, no one knew him. What about Nazarbayev? An old Soviet-hardened functionary, as it is now fashionable to say the leading top manager))) With him, what happened with Yanyk will not work!

[BABA SHURA]

Without. Nazarbachech, the Kazakhs will shatter in the steppes and become part of Russia! Amen

[avt]

Quote: BABA SHURA

Without. Nazarbachech, the Kazakhs will shatter in the steppes and become part of Russia! Amen

So all the same - put on your underwear, or take off the cross? Well

Quote: BABA SHURA

and the Kazakhs will scatter in the steppes

and then go catch them to

Quote: BABA SHURA

and will be part of Russia!

Or maybe everything is simple - they wrote a reprise to Zadornov, well, they decided to sell it, but for a start, checking on the site is cool or not? Well, send it - it's cool.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: BABA SHURA

Without. Nazarbachech, the Kazakhs will shatter in the steppes and become part of Russia! Amen

without nazika, RK will begin to seethe worse than Ukraine, I can’t tolerate this thief, but I must admit that while it stands between chaos and order (even if fighting for a hide)

[Dry_T-50]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: BABA SHURA

Without. Nazarbachech, the Kazakhs will shatter in the steppes and become part of Russia! Amen

without nazika, RK will begin to seethe worse than Ukraine, I can’t tolerate this thief, but I must admit that while it stands between chaos and order (even if fighting for a hide)

I can not even imagine who you can then tolerate

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and what is it for ?!
Nazik VOR, do you think I should like him?

[Aleksandr72]

Quote: BABA SHURA

Without. Nazarbachech, the Kazakhs will shatter in the steppes and become part of Russia! Amen

Without, as you say, “Nazarbayach”, local nationalists have the maximum and most preferred chances to come to power (including those who are currently sitting quietly like mice behind a broom). These very quickly clash with radical Islamists (especially with the support and suggestion of certain Western circles and the Saudis (the latter also climb everywhere, especially where they are not asked to), and more recently the Turks). All this can very quickly turn into the fact that Kazakhstan will turn into an analogue of the former Soviet republics of Transcaucasia and Central Asia in the early 90s. And all Russian-speakers will have to leave the country very quickly, leaving everything (including me), and not only to them, but also to many Kazakhs, who, from the point of view of nationalists, expressed by Azimbai Gali, who recently appeared on this website, are traitors to the national idea (in such zradnikov Gali also included those Kazakhs who are not married to Kazakh women or at least Muslim women). And we have nowhere to run except to Russia, you understand. Will they accept us in Russia - the question ????
A variant of the development of events by analogy with Ukraine (an attempt to create an independent people's state along the lines of the LPR-DPR along the borders with Russia and the subsequent civil war) is also quite probable. Although hardly feasible, a policy of resettlement (voluntarily, of course) of Kazakhs from South Kazakhstan in the areas bordering Russia is already underway. The goal is simple - to increase the number of people loyal to the national idea. But this very national idea can be perverted in different ways. There are few ultranationalists in comparison with normal people, but they are most active and will not stop at anything if necessary - they will not be confused by the big blood, especially if someone else’s blood is spilled (read Russian). This is my vision of the situation - maybe I'm exaggerating. But the trends look alarming.
I have the honor.

[Zymran]

If they don’t add oil to the fire from your historical homeland, no one’s blood will be shed.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zymran

If from your historical homeland ...

where is this from ?!

[Zymran]

Quote: Scandinavian

I think that we should first of all deal with ourselves with our families and zhuzes.

What problems do we have between clans and zhuzes? By the way, why is it with "us" you personally also belong to some zhuz? =)

Quote: Scandinavian

zhuzami. Russia does not interfere in the affairs of Kazakhstan.

Any regional power somehow interferes in the affairs of its neighbors.

Quote: Scandinavian

The conflict grows from within between the government and the people.

Specifically, the land conflict - yes.

[Scandinavian]

Glory to God, I belong neither to the Zhuzes, nor to the genera, nor to the estates. Free from these stereotypes. But I am a citizen, and I know the local cuisine from the inside.

[Zymran]

Quote: Scandinavian

Glory to God, I belong neither to the Zhuzes, nor to the genera, nor to the estates. Free from these stereotypes. But I am a citizen, and I know the local cuisine from the inside.

As a rule, Russians are completely unaware of this cuisine from the inside. I do not think that you are an exception.

[Scandinavian]

From the side it is always better to see how two ravens peck out each other's eyes.

[Zymran]

Rhetoric not backed up by facts is no good.

[Scandinavian]

The facts are hushed up and not released out. Do you not know that everything is censored. And for the Russian-speaking people living in Kazakhstan, the whole cuisine is well known. We observe only from the side.

[Zymran]

Quote: Scandinavian

The facts are hushed up and not released out. Do you not know that everything is censored. And for the Russian-speaking people living in Kazakhstan, the whole cuisine is well known. We observe only from the side.

As a rule, Russian-speakers do not even know which zhuz belongs to the NAS. And what is zhuz in general.

[Scandinavian]

And this is not so necessary to know. This is not a multiplication table. I will tell you so that the fish rots from the head.

[Zymran]

Quote: Scandinavian

And this is not so necessary to know. This is not a multiplication table. I will tell you so that the fish rots from the head.

Again empty banal clichés that are not related to the topic. But generally yes. Rots.

[Scandinavian]

common cliches

say, I don’t think, the one who reads me is the flood plain. But what do you have to do? but just screaming in the mouth that give facts, cliches, zrada, and all the rest ....

[Zymran]

Quote: Scandinavian

But what do you have to do? but just screaming in the mouth that give facts, cliches, zrada, and all the rest ....

Why are you wadding so wedges on the Ukrainian topic? They even dragged her here.

Specifically, what about zhuzes and tribes can you say? Nothing. Because you don’t understand anything in the subject. That's all.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zymran

What are you quilted jackets

but do not be rude

[Scandinavian]

Quote: Zymran

Why are you wadding so wedges on the Ukrainian topic? They even dragged her here.

Well, how can you not lead to Ukraine when Nazik himself speaks about this. The Ukrainian scenario will not work. Something you dear embittered at all. And as for the quilted jackets, I will say this, the less we are in Kazakhstan and the more we leave for Russia, the worse for you. Understand this and appreciate only with time ...

[Zymran]

The conversation was generally about something else, the topic of which you do not understand, and you yourself started and eventually moved on to acquaintances, not even clichés, but the tags "zrada", "we will leave for you, it will be worse", etc.

[Scandinavian]

Behave with dignity and not be rude. In fact, you are no different from the frenzied Ukrainians. One field of berries.

[Zymran]

Quote: Scandinavian

Behave with dignity and not be rude. In fact, you are no different from the frenzied Ukrainians. One field of berries.

As a result, again everything came down to Ukraine. Expected.

[black]

In general, it is interesting that you yourself admit that clan-tribal relations are still strong in Kazakhstan. In a developed, civilized state. It's funny. I remember that in our cadet company, there was a native of Kazakhstan. In my opinion, he is one of the few who reacted negatively to the collapse of the Union. He said: "I don’t want to live in a yurt like a grandmother."

[Zymran]

Quote: black

In general, it is interesting that you yourself admit that in Kazakhstan, tribal relations are still strong. In a developed, civilized state.

Not. Scandinavian tried to argue about this.

[sherp2015]

Quote: Scandinavian

. And as for the quilted jackets, I will say this, the less we are in Kazakhstan and the more we leave for Russia, the worse for you. Understand this and appreciate only with time ...

Come to Russia, do not wait until the cock pecks.
Sober citizens we really need

[Weyland]

Quote: Zymran

As a rule, Russians do not know this kitchen from the inside.

Those who have lived all their lives in Kazakhstan know very well!

[Weyland]

Quote: Zymran

As a rule, Russians do not know this kitchen from the inside.

Those who have lived all their lives in Kazakhstan know very well!

[Scandinavian]

I think that we should first of all deal with ourselves with our families and zhuzes. Russia does not interfere in the affairs of Kazakhstan. The conflict grows from within between the government and the people.

[Aposlya]

Quote: Scandinavian

I think that we should first of all deal with ourselves with our families and zhuzes.

What are the problems between childbirth and zhuzes? Can you enlighten?
The clan, or rather the Kazakh tribes at this stage of history, is just a marker of origin, genealogy, etc.
Zhuzes are just a geographical concept from the 16th century, which was relevant in the 16-18th centuries, but now it’s just an informative story ...
So, what problems do these genealogical-geographical concepts have?

[Victor-M]

Those who are trying to organize a repetition of the “Ukrainian scenario” in Kazakhstan are waiting for the toughest measures, RIA Novosti reports a statement by Kazakh leader Nursultan Nazarbayev.

That is, it is better to drown a vague reptile in little blood, moreover, in her own.

[Aika]

The so-called "vague reptile" by you is - the common people. Do you want to drown the people of Kazakhstan in blood?

[Mountain shooter]

And our GDP does not need to say this. And in Kazakhstan, IMHO, the loss of petrodollars affected much more painfully, because they threw a large share of these pieces of paper for consumption, did not sterilize, as we have. And with the loss of oil revenues, Kazakhstanis felt this much more strongly.

[Aika]

The people of Kazakhstan are very patient. We will survive the crisis, the loss of petrodollars, but people do not want to transfer long-term leases or sell land to the Chinese. Most are not against the government, but against the Land Law. The Chinese will not leave then, and we will dissolve

[atamankko]

Nazarbayev has a long life, such clever politicians are not enough.

[Weyland]

Quote: atamankko

there are few such clever politicians.

Only if his deservedly Shot 29 years ago - I-y-d-ear EBN with accomplices and would not dare to think about the Bialowieza conspiracy!

[Scandinavian]

Kazakhstan: Are "Land protests" a reflection of dissatisfaction with the general state of affairs in the country? - Eurasianet
15: 22 05.05.2016
The Kazakh authorities are faced with a very difficult choice amid demonstrations against the government’s plans to sell and lease land that could turn into a broader anti-government movement. Some analysts warn that the situation has become explosive.

The potential for expressing dissatisfaction has been expanding since November, when legislative amendments were approved, according to which the maximum lease term for land by foreigners was increased from 10 to 25 years. But the outbreak occurred only at the end of April, when the government launched a campaign to inform the public about its plans to provide new land to Kazakhstani buyers and foreign tenants starting this summer.

Attempts by the authorities to reduce tensions ranged from harsh police measures and attacks on protesters in the media to assurances and warnings in an appealing tone that protests could lead to violence.

[Scandinavian]

Apparently, the reaction of the population took the government by surprise. “What we are seeing now is not just a protest against land reform, but a general protest against the actions of the authorities that ignore the opinion of the people,” Dosym Satpayev, director of the Risk Assessment Center, a Kazakh think tank, told EurasiaNet.org. a problem for the authorities who do not understand society at all. "

Land legislation in Kazakhstan was cut and redrawn from the early years of independence, in connection with which the government hoped that the latest amendments would not attract much public attention.

In 1995, President Nursultan Nazarbayev signed a law allowing land to be leased to foreigners for up to 99 years. Then the maximum rental period was reduced to 49 years in 2001 year, and only to 10 years in 2003 year. Nazarbayev and other officials constantly, but without much success, tried to dispel the rumors that foreigners would soon be able to buy land. The prospect of buying up large parts of the territory of Kazakhstan by Chinese farmers is a particularly explosive topic.

Amid the outbreak of the May 1 demonstration in the city of Kyzylorda in the south of the country in clashes with the police, Nazarbayev hinted to a crowd in Almaty that continued protests could plunge Kazakhstan into the abyss of bloodshed and violence that Ukraine has faced in recent years.

For some analysts, the grievance over the land issue is a reflection of a general and long-standing frustration. "The land is just an excuse to express deep discontent. There was discontent before, but it was hidden by economic growth. And now there is no economic growth," said Nygmet Ibadildin, a lecturer at Almaty University of KIMEP.

[Mowgli]

What we are seeing now is not just a protest against land reform, but a general protest against the actions of the authorities that ignore the opinion of the people, Dosym Satpayev, director of the Risk Assessment Center, a Kazakh think tank, told EurasiaNet.org

Well, if Dosym Satpayev himself said this, then of course ...
And yes, by the way, what kind of organization is this "Risk Assessment Center"?
What are these risks?
And what is Mr. Dosym Satpayev known for apart from being the director of this "Center"?

[Zymran]

Quote: Mowgli

And what is Mr. Dosym Satpayev known for apart from being the director of this "Center"?

Satpayev is perhaps the best political expert in the country. Plus cotton Marat Shibutov.

[Mowgli]

Satpayev is perhaps the best political expert in the country. Plus cotton Marat Shibutov.

Ah, do not worry.
Do not read expert political scientists at night, live for your pleasure.
And you will be happy.

And yes, with the upcoming holidays!

[Zymran]

Same to you

[Aika]

Dosym Satpayev is a well-known political scientist in Kazakhstan.

[Scandinavian]

Apparently, the reaction of the population took the government by surprise. “What we are seeing now is not just a protest against land reform, but a general protest against the actions of the authorities that ignore the opinion of the people,” Dosym Satpayev, director of the Risk Assessment Center, a Kazakh think tank, told EurasiaNet.org. a problem for the authorities who do not understand society at all. "

Land legislation in Kazakhstan was cut and redrawn from the early years of independence, in connection with which the government hoped that the latest amendments would not attract much public attention.

In 1995, President Nursultan Nazarbayev signed a law allowing land to be leased to foreigners for up to 99 years. Then the maximum rental period was reduced to 49 years in 2001 year, and only to 10 years in 2003 year. Nazarbayev and other officials constantly, but without much success, tried to dispel the rumors that foreigners would soon be able to buy land. The prospect of buying up large parts of the territory of Kazakhstan by Chinese farmers is a particularly explosive topic.

Amid the outbreak of the May 1 demonstration in the city of Kyzylorda in the south of the country in clashes with the police, Nazarbayev hinted to a crowd in Almaty that continued protests could plunge Kazakhstan into the abyss of bloodshed and violence that Ukraine has faced in recent years.

For some analysts, the grievance over the land issue is a reflection of a general and long-standing frustration. "The land is just an excuse to express deep discontent. There was discontent before, but it was hidden by economic growth. And now there is no economic growth," said Nygmet Ibadildin, a lecturer at Almaty University of KIMEP.

[Scandinavian]

According to IMF forecasts, Kazakhstan’s GDP growth this year will be 0,1%, and next year - 1%. Against the backdrop of stagnant economic growth and a constant increase in consumer prices, more and more Kazakhstani families find themselves in a difficult situation. Officially, unemployment is low, but the optimistic figures conceal the real extent of the difficulties Kazakhstanis are experiencing.

Ibadildin noted that the economic downturn, which began due to a collapse in prices for Kazakhstan’s main export product - oil - also created a number of development opportunities, which, however, have not yet been used.

“It has become difficult to buy people's loyalty now, as the cornucopia has dried up,” he said. “Historically, when oil states ran out of money, they tended to become more liberal, create opportunities for entrepreneurship, and generally loosen the nuts. That did not happen".

According to Ibadildin’s forecasts, the authorities will begin to resort to repressive measures in response to economic problems.

The last days have been full of similar examples. A press conference on land issues in Almaty was canceled after police detained its organizers. Law enforcement officials prevented the RFE / RS journalist from reaching the picket site in the city of Zhanaozen, where in 2011 the protests of workers broke out, resulting in bloodshed. Arrested and fined even people who did not organize mass actions, and protested only in person. But the most problematic incident for the authorities was the clash of several dozen demonstrators with the 1 police in May in Kyzylorda.

Using tactics from the Russian government, state media reporters tried to portray the protesters as rioters who sow confusion for a fee. Aimira Shaukentayeva, the host of the Analytica program on Eurasia Channel One, said on the air that the protests were provoked by external forces, which usually mean the West.

“We have confidential information that for each person who comes to an unauthorized meeting, the organizers receive from 50 to 150 dollars. It's just a business,” she said. “They pay from afar, from completely different countries that are not indifferent to us.”

Berdibek Saparbayev, akim of the Aktobe region in the west of the country, where a rather large demonstration also took place, also mentioned this topic in a conversation with the "Diapazon" publication. “Why should we obey those who are hiding in the West? Why should we work for the money of the West? Where is the honor of the nation?” He asked.

[Scandinavian]

The citizens who took part in the demonstration deny the involvement of any outside forces. “We honestly didn’t have coordinators,” activist Maks Bokayev, who took part in a major protest action on April 24 in the oil city of Atyrau in the west of the republic, told Exclusive.kz.

Talking about the April 27 demonstration in Aktobe, Bokayev said that the level of self-organization of the participants impressed him. "Apparently, these were ordinary people, not previously exposed as public figures. This only confirms the thesis that Kazakhstanis in their mass are ripe for democracy," he said.

The role of the "good policeman" this time fell to the speaker of the Senate, Kassym-Zhomart Tokayev, who called to close the loopholes, thanks to which the leased land could become permanent property of foreigners. This topic worries many protesters, and the speaker's words were intended to defuse the situation.

"We need to take legislative and other measures to ensure that these conditions are met so that no one gets the idea of ​​circumventing the rules with some clever scheme," he told parliamentary deputies, the Kazinform news agency reported.

But some, including political commentator Viktor Kovtunovsky, argue that those who focus only on the legal aspects of land use may be missing the point. "The protest mood is largely connected not with specific land issues, but with the fact that the authorities neglect public opinion on all issues," he said.

Apparently, the government does not have much time to make decisions. "Kazakhstan is approaching the point where any spark can ignite a big flame," Satpayev said.

5 May 2016
Aigerim Toleukhanova

[Scandinavian]

The citizens who took part in the demonstration deny the involvement of any outside forces. “We honestly didn’t have coordinators,” activist Maks Bokayev, who took part in a major protest action on April 24 in the oil city of Atyrau in the west of the republic, told Exclusive.kz.

Talking about the April 27 demonstration in Aktobe, Bokayev said that the level of self-organization of the participants impressed him. "Apparently, these were ordinary people, not previously exposed as public figures. This only confirms the thesis that Kazakhstanis in their mass are ripe for democracy," he said.

The role of the "good policeman" this time fell to the speaker of the Senate, Kassym-Zhomart Tokayev, who called to close the loopholes, thanks to which the leased land could become permanent property of foreigners. This topic worries many protesters, and the speaker's words were intended to defuse the situation.

"We need to take legislative and other measures to ensure that these conditions are met so that no one gets the idea of ​​circumventing the rules with some clever scheme," he told parliamentary deputies, the Kazinform news agency reported.

But some, including political commentator Viktor Kovtunovsky, argue that those who focus only on the legal aspects of land use may be missing the point. "The protest mood is largely connected not with specific land issues, but with the fact that the authorities neglect public opinion on all issues," he said.

Apparently, the government does not have much time to make decisions. "Kazakhstan is approaching the point where any spark can ignite a big flame," Satpayev said.

5 May 2016
Aigerim Toleukhanova

[avt]

Quote: Scandinavian

Scandinavian

Good selection - thanks.

[NUR]

In Kazakhstan, as in the entire post-Soviet space, internal conflicts are nurtured. We must look to whom it is beneficial. There are external and internal interested forces. The government is obliged not to bring the situation to the point of conflict. To study and understand the aspirations of their people and respond in a timely manner to difficult situations.

[rotmistr60]

who will try to organize a repetition of the “Ukrainian scenario” in Kazakhstan, the toughest measures await

Directly, openly, but it was necessary to do this even before the mass protest. It happens that the leader often relies on the seeming "unshakable love" of the people and believes that these people will not go against him. At the same time, it does not take into account its personal qualities, a certain part of the population (opposition, youth, nationalists, NGOs ...). As a result, narcissism can lead to sad consequences. Nazarbayev will have enough willpower in case of need to severely suppress the beginnings of a coup.

[mAgs]

One of the versions: Each owner has a butler. And the butlers did not owe the master what the people were thinking about.

[Zymran]

Quote: rotmistr60

Directly, openly, but it was necessary to do this even before the mass protest. It happens that the leader often relies on the seeming "unshakable love" of the people and believes that these people will not go against him. At the same time, it does not take into account its personal qualities, a certain part of the population (opposition, youth, nationalists, NGOs ...). As a result, narcissism can lead to sad consequences. Nazarbayev will have enough willpower in case of need to severely suppress the beginnings of a coup.

They will not shoot at people. As if the local hawks did not want this. This will be a political suicide for his regime.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zymran

This will be a political suicide for his regime.

well do not tell

[Zymran]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

well do not tell

Well, not funny.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

well, it's funnier when the "family" has taken over all big business, is engaged in racketeering and murder, this is not political suicide

[Zymran]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

well, it's funnier when the "family" took over all big business, is engaged in racketeering and murder

I am not a regime advocate.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

The prosecutor’s office threatened to close the media banned the publication of incriminating materials from Rakhat Aliyev
On November 13, the Prosecutor General’s Office of Kazakhstan issued a statement to all media outlets that henceforth the editorial staff will be punished for “publishing illegal printouts of recordings of telephone conversations of citizens”, including closure.

The main emphasis in the text of the widely spread statement is made on the identity of Rakhat Aliyev, who allegedly is engaged in provocative criminal acts, dumping illegal printouts of private telephone conversations of Kazakhstan citizens on the Internet. In this regard, the Prosecutor General’s Office stated that “the court established that Aliyev and the criminal group he had organized, illegally acquiring special technical means of taking information from mobile and stationary devices, conducted illegal wiretapping and recording of conversations.”

Therefore, henceforth, if any publishing house allows itself to publish such materials from Rakhat Aliyev or from other sources, then the most stringent measures will be taken against such violators of the law “On the media”, up to the suspension of the release of the media, the Prosecutor General’s Office warns .
note the prosecutor general’s office did not refer to the deceit of the records, to the illegality of the records of conversations

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

The prosecutor’s office threatened to close the media banned the publication of incriminating materials from Rakhat Aliyev
On November 13, the Prosecutor General’s Office of Kazakhstan issued a statement to all media outlets that henceforth the editorial staff will be punished for “publishing illegal printouts of recordings of telephone conversations of citizens”, including closure.

If you lived in Kazakhstan, you would know that this over-arching brother-in-law worked here! There was such an outrage that mother did not grieve! And Aliyev hid behind his kinship ...
So it’s not necessary to sculpt a sort of fighter with the regime from an ordinary criminal!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

If you lived in Kazakhstan, you would know that this over-arching brother-in-law worked here!

Listen to the fool, don’t turn it on, actually I was born and lived 38 years in Alma-Ata, you don’t have to make the eyes of a young sheep like Rakhat all in brown and Nazik all in white, or you think that this was done without the knowledge of the father-in-law, well, the notes to help you

Quote: Aposlya

So it’s not necessary to sculpt a sort of fighter with the regime from an ordinary criminal!

and who says that rahat is a fighter with the regime, I say that Nazik is the same criminal, or rather a rank higher

comment p / s / post, otherwise you somehow left the topic of the post

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Listen to the fool, don’t turn it on, actually I was born and lived 38 years in Alma-Ata, you don’t have to make the eyes of a young sheep like Rakhat all in brown and Nazik all in white, or you think that this was done without the knowledge of the father-in-law, well, the notes to help you

When did you leave with KZ? So do not fool yourself! You were no longer here when Rahat turned around there! Acted in general, not even by concepts, but by his own wishlist, while he was covered by the authorities where he had pushed his people — I’m talking about the KNB. Well, the fact that his father-in-law covered him is at first yes, until he got off the thread. He was generally thrown out first from Kazakhstan, and then a criminal case was opened - this is when he slammed the bankers.

In the video - why comment there? This has long been an open secret!
On the territory of the USSR there is not a single country at all where something like this did not happen, so there is nothing to be surprised at ...

[black]

If necessary, they will shoot. I won the video, looked higher. How the protesters were loaded. These will shoot. Trust me as a professional. Pray for Nazarbayev’s health. You too will not be with all your shoes, etc. you will begin to gulp each other's throats, racing.

[bad]

“Kazakhstanis do not want Ukrainian events in Kazakhstan, I know that. Let everyone hear who wants to bring it here: we will take the most brutal measures so that they know and do not say that I did not warn ”,

... yeah ... Nuland already had a bunch of cookies ..

[Russian]

Quote: BerBer

If to set the terminology, then "Dill" is a wrong Russian. I feel sorry for all the Russians and the wrong ones too.

I’m sorry for you!

[Geser]

While Nazarbayev is at the helm, Kazakhstan will have stability. But what will happen when he resigns and all his proteges and supporters holding various posts will also be forced to leave with him - a big question. You can also say about all the former Soviet republics - as long as the current ruling power is in power there, it will be more or less stable in these republics. And when all this power and the clans located near it will be forced to leave - the issue of stability will turn out to be the most unstable, since all clans and teips in these republics will begin to squabble for power. Russia needs to be prepared for such a situation and the development of events related to the change of power in the former Soviet republics.

[31rus2]

Dear, they thought the USSR would forever be, they thought the Maidan was not possible in Ukraine, but it turned out completely differently, alas, there are plenty of corrupt and traitors everywhere, I need to develop, strengthen the country, take care of people, prepare a shift, then everything will be fine

[Scandinavian]

Quote: Zymran

Any regional

But about the regionality of our northern neighbor with Obama can argue already in the Pentagon and NATO. There will be enough ties for everyone.

[Zymran]

Quote: Scandinavian

But about the regionality of our northern neighbor with Obama can argue already in the Pentagon and NATO. There will be enough ties for everyone.

Good, world. That's better?

[black]

"World" is more correct.

[Siberian]

Quote: SS68SS

“Everyone who violates the law and order will answer in all severity of the law,” Nazarbayev added

It is necessary to find the instigators, calculate the organizers, break the channels for sponsors and .... only very quickly. I think Russia will help to do this. Because there are a lot of Russian-speaking citizens in Kazakhstan. And no one is interested in getting another hot spot in the union.

Russia needs to begin with its "fifth column" and "liberal" to understand

[fa2998]

Quote: 4ekist

Maybe they should learn something from them.

An interesting pattern - both in Russia and Kazakhstan and in other post-Soviet countries - the authorities openly gave a damn about ordinary citizens.Buying in luxury, acquiring real estate in the West, teaching children there, and equipping them there, bills over the hill, cuts, and ordinary citizens barely - they barely make ends meet. But if there is some kind of crisis and tension in society grows, then the search for the 5th column begins, calls for vigilance and "do not rock the boat." In my opinion, a just society will survive any crisis. It is the authorities who rock the boat, they build a society of masters and slaves, and in the end, somewhere RVANET. And neither the "National Guard" nor the special services will help !!!

[Max_Bauder]

Absolutely agree. In Russia itself there are many problems. No matter how patriotic, but no one wants to support the stealing ranks, nobody wants to get used to the state of affairs in the economy. It is good that through the parties put forward patriotic citizens to power. For example, in Russia I see Starikov. Unfortunately, I haven’t found such ones. All opposition for the money goes to the camp of the ruling party.

[Aika]

I absolutely agree too

[avt]

Quote: fa2998

An interesting pattern, both in Russia and Kazakhstan and in other post-Soviet countries, the government frankly did not give a damn about ordinary citizens. It bathes in luxury, buys real estate in the West, educates children there, and equips ordinary people there, cuts and cuts, ordinary citizens barely barely make ends.

Quote: Max_Bauder

Absolutely agree. In Russia itself there are many problems. No matter how patriotic, but no one wants to support the stealing ranks, nobody wants to get used to the state of affairs in the economy.

Quote: Aika

I absolutely agree too

Well, you guys are purely like children! Yes, it’s hard to live according to the formula - that we have everything and that we don’t have anything for it and muddied the collapse of the USSR, which kind of collapsed! After all, it was on ideology, the absence of any fear was simply prohibited in the constitution in Russia, the communist one was held by the USSR, but the comelite, for the sake of material nishtyaks and having disbelieved in the preached values, sold the same biblical character the birthright for lentil soup .Well, why should I cry through my hair having removed his head!?

[flay]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote from: fly

Yanyk was not afraid for money (he doesn’t carry them with a cache)

just because of that I was afraid that it wasn’t a cache, and for the trunk it was just taken by dibs on accounts that are blocked even more than once

Aha ... Yanyk did not understand that with the "people's" anger and its capture at that moment, no one would understand and find out anything. The whole conversation would be lynched right there.
As an example to you, the fate of M. Qadaffi
You apparently never faced the angry crowd ... and it’s good.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote from: fly

You apparently never faced the angry crowd, and well.

enough ah ?!
what does the crowd have to do with it ?!
and for ... he was taken by grandmothers

[behemot]

I was in Almaty. You have to be finished d .... m (well, who else rides on the Maidan ?, oh yes, they are deceived by whom? Putin apparently) to burn tires and ride. We wrote above about the fact that the government did not give a damn about ordinary citizens. I don't know, maybe I didn't give a damn. Calm people, faces not embittered, do not ride in an analogue of a "combat hopak", tires do not burn.
Probably something is wrong in Kazakhstan, well, there is not enough democracy, and Nazarbayev is a bloody tyrant.

[Weyland]

Quote: behemot

do not jump in the analogue of "combat hopak", tires do not burn. Probably something is wrong in Kazakhstan, well, there is not enough democracy, and Nazarbayev is a bloody tyrant.

Nazarbayev is an analogue of Parashenko, not Profesor. He just came to power thanks to the Maidan December 1986 (although not immediately after)!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: behemot

Calm people, faces not embittered, do not ride in an analogue of a "combat hopak", tires do not burn.

unfortunately, the transition to racing around burnt tires is very fast

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Alibekulu

Alina Kabaeva...

and after you consider yourself to be muzhimo?

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and after you consider yourself to be muzhimo?

Another gramаtny peeler ... ?!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

not only is it difficult to call you a normal peasant (behaving like a gossip at the carriage) you aren’t very smart either;

Mom or Dad taught you to look into someone else’s bed?

[Gvas1174]

With all the wisdom and foresight of the NAS, there are a huge number of nuances that only those who live in the country and don’t wear pink glasses know about. NASA scolds the people more and more, there are quite objective reasons for this.
with all this, the state rests on one person, and those who curse it now will cry when someone else comes, because the one that by hook or by crook consolidates society as a whole will disappear. it is obvious the same. Yes, the authorities are stealing, but colossal corruption (however, not so much as in Russia, IMHO), but a large amount of arbitrariness and lawlessness among officials, and all this against the background of a poor population, it is unlikely to end in good. Demonstration processes over thieves and support for the socially unprotected layer of the population are needed, and this layer is only multiplying.
The authorities have a real chance to extinguish everything hot, and bloodlessly, but for this it is worth acting quickly, but deliberately, since the money for destabilization in the country has long been launched, as the diplomatic mail was correctly mentioned earlier that flew through Manas, while " the tops "gave a reason themselves, and not one.
Now it remains to look and hope for a successful outcome ... Alla Zhasa

[kon125]

... I think that the Russians should leave Kazakhstan. Kazakhs cannot stand it. Kazakhstan is too attractive a piece, for the USA, China, Islamists.
Nazarbayev is a wise Ruler. But the resource is not endless. Until now, Kazakhs have not been betrayed by wisdom. But their hot temper can play a bad joke. It starts with the accusation of strangers. And, in fact, it sounded here. This is the easiest way, and they will go along it. . The economic situation rested on oil. The dependence on it is very great. The heavy industry is sold, the land remains. Here they tried to trade it, the result, people went out into the street.
It’s hard to work. Like the Chinese. There’s not enough technical personnel capable of organizing production. Because the Russians are leaving. I lived in Kazakhstan. Good people. Only ... I’ll keep silent. They’ll skip to nationalism.

[Semurg]

Ash stump without Russian kirdyk to Kazakhs. So be determined

[Denis56rus]

I have been telling Rodne for a long time to get out of there while the houses are still in price